RE: Which projectors are better for Photos? (3LCD vs DLP)
From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Christine Aguila Coincidently, I was just at the Epson web site browsing through the projectors, and read Epson recommends at least 2600 lumens. Just FYI. Cheers, Christine they've probably got a cupboard full of overstock lumens they're trying to move quickly before they go off. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO: Unsafe ice
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XKCD on instagram
XKCD nails it yet again: http://xkcd.com/1150/ Don't forget to read the mouseover. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO: Birds
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PESO: Water
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PESO: Grown up
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Re: PESO: Grown up
On Dec 21, 2012, at 2:31 AM, SV Hovland wrote: https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2D01AE85E70E90E2!140042authkey=!ACFUT1Z28kXgNsw This one, I like. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Birds
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Re: Pentax? You know, I used to have a K1000. What ever happened to them?
Which is all true, but how would someone who's only exposure to modern photographic gear is a sales drone in a store that stocks mostly Nikon and Canon, with a possible nod to Sony. Olympus, or Panasonic, and probably read the first site that Google served up which, and I have no idea why except for pure laziness, directed them to Kennyboy, (and don't laugh too hard at that, sites as reputable as DPReview have mentioned him by name with links), or consumer reports which often recommends based on features for the money rather than anything else. How pray tell is our photographic naif supposed to find Pentax? Even in the few remaining real Camera stores the that may want to stock Pentax as their third or fourth brand they can't, which appears to be a corporate decision.on Pentax's part. On 12/21/2012 2:12 AM, Larry Colen wrote: On Dec 20, 2012, at 2:44 PM, Walt wrote: As I said in my series of gripes on Facebook, if I were just starting out in photography today, I'd be a Canon shooter. There's just no way in hell I would have bought a camera that I could hold in my hands and walk out the door with right there on the spot. The hell of it is, I keep seeing all these great deals on Canon and Nikon bodies in classifieds (e.g., a lightly used 7D for $850) and but for my complete lack of compatible glass, I'd be sorely tempted to change systems. I simply can't afford the investment. So, for the time being, barring some manner of financial windfall, I remain a Pentaxian. When Julie saw the picture I posted of her and Ziggy, she asked about what settings I used, because the room was pretty dark. She doesn't like to shoot with her Canon 5DmkII beyond ISO 3200. I don't like to shoot with my K-5 beyond 8,000, but will push it to 16,000. Even with my K-x I'd shoot without (much) hesitation at 6400. Up until not too long ago the 5DmkII was selling for pretty close to twice what I paid for my K-5, and what? five or six times what I paid for my K-x, either of which will handily out perform it in a poorly lit room. The 5DmkIII will perform on a par, or better than a K-5 in low light, so long as you don't need image stabilization, but it's going for $2,600, twice what a K5-IIs is going for, and about 3.5 times what a K-5 is selling for new. A friend of mine just bought a D600, and isn't real thrilled with it. Last I heard he was talking about returning it and sticking with his G5. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- Buy a Leica to get the full “Leica Experience”, (a quick reduction of funds in the bank account). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Peso The Winter Farm
Gorgeous! cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Don Guthrie shark50...@gmail.com Sent: December 17, 2012 12/17/12 To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Peso The Winter Farm The weather has been grey gloomy but I could not wait for decent clouds and this is just what Iowa looks like without some Winter snow. Comments Critique always welcomed. http://www.flickr.com/photos/valdon/8282416548/in/photostream/lightbox/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO: Empty
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PESO: Piano
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RE: Pentax? You know, I used to have a K1000. What ever happened to them?
When I bought my *ist-D the local, (30 miles away local, but the only surviving). Camera store still carried Pentax. So I actually got to hold one and try one out before I bought. The more or less local Ritz camera store, actually had a K10D and a number of lenses in stock, but was even further away, (gone now and not much lamented). I have no idea how Pentax expects to gain market share especially as you can see Nikon and Canon products in pretty much any big box store. I have been pondering this for quite some time now. A few years ago some of my family members went to China. I wanted some Pentax gear but the locals said Pentax wasn't popular there so no presence in stores. This October my wife went to Singapore and I had high hopes for some gear - again, no presence in any of the shopping malls. I got a hold of one address that carries Pentax but there was no time to get there. We have one chain that is kind of the official Pentax dealer here, can even see the 645D on display. But again - no presence in any of the other stores in contrast to Canon, Nikon and Sony. Pentax gear might be good (even if we have to take things like DxO ratings with a pound of salt) but no first time customers will ever know it. The only store that sells Pentax here is on a roll with Sony now and the only sales rep that was ever passionate about Pentax there hasn't been seen for the last 4-5 years, probably retired. So even if they are a Pentax dealer they are currently focused on selling boatloads of Sony gear. I don't see any real reason for me to jump ship, I just have to ask myself if I am getting and will continue getting a good deal on Pentax if they can't sell enough cameras and lenses because of the lack of presence. Ultimately as a customer I am paying more just because of their inability to sell and they don't have the money to make anything better because I can't possibly pay them enough to make any considerable difference to the RD budget. kris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO: King of Norway
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Re: Pentax? You know, I used to have a K1000. What ever happened to them?
On Dec 21, 2012, at 7:34 AM, Krisjanis Linkevics krisjanis.linkev...@exigenservices.com wrote: When I bought my *ist-D the local, (30 miles away local, but the only surviving). Camera store still carried Pentax. So I actually got to hold one and try one out before I bought. The more or less local Ritz camera store, actually had a K10D and a number of lenses in stock, but was even further away, (gone now and not much lamented). I have no idea how Pentax expects to gain market share especially as you can see Nikon and Canon products in pretty much any big box store. I have been pondering this for quite some time now. A few years ago some of my family members went to China. I wanted some Pentax gear but the locals said Pentax wasn't popular there so no presence in stores. This October my wife went to Singapore and I had high hopes for some gear - again, no presence in any of the shopping malls. I got a hold of one address that carries Pentax but there was no time to get there. We have one chain that is kind of the official Pentax dealer here, can even see the 645D on display. But again - no presence in any of the other stores in contrast to Canon, Nikon and Sony. Pentax gear might be good (even if we have to take things like DxO ratings with a pound of salt) but no first time customers will ever know it. The only store that sells Pentax here is on a roll with Sony now and the only sales rep that was ever passionate about Pentax there hasn't been seen for the last 4-5 years, probably retired. So even if they are a Pentax dealer they are currently focused on selling boatloads of Sony gear. I don't see any real reason for me to jump ship, I just have to ask myself if I am getting and will continue getting a good deal on Pentax if they can't sell enough cameras and lenses because of the lack of presence. Ultimately as a customer I am paying more just because of their inability to sell and they don't have the money to make anything better because I can't possibly pay them enough to make any considerable difference to the RD budget. The vast majority of camera sales are from on-line sources, where Pentax is reasonably well represented. The percentage of industry internet sales will only continue to grow. Maintaining and supporting a brick-and-mortar presence is expensive and probably not in Pentax's best interest, although they have dabbled with some presence in Costco stores and were recently available through Costco's online sources. Paul kris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - I've Grown Accustomed to Your Face
Trying to limit the calendar I am making for friend to photos taken just in the last 2-3 years, but didn't have enough, so digging deeper. This made the cut. Taken 2009. Very, very, similar to something I've already shown here, and on FB -- just MORE of it (completely different shot, though). So feel free to skip commenting if you remember the other. http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/northdome.html Comments welcome. Marnie aka Doe :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO: Hole in the floor
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Re: January PUG - Countdown
What Christine said - ann On 12/21/2012 02:10, Brian Walters wrote: Quoting Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com: I aim to play! Excellent!! When's the deadline? Cheers, Christine Always the end of the previous month - but I usually don't get around to closing submissions for a few days after that. For January, I might be even more flexible as I expect to need an extended recovery period after New Year... Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ On Dec 20, 2012, at 2:29 PM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote: 'morning all Well it's Dec 21 here and the apocalypse hasn't happened - admittedly, the day is young... However, it looks as if those of you who have been holding off submitting (on the basis that we wouldn't be around view the gallery) can now safely submit. Three submissions so far. The details: Theme: Texture. Submit here: http://pug.komkon.org/submit/ Submission Guidelines here: http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html The main requirements are: * Max. pixel dimensions: 800 pixels on the longest side. * Max file size: 300k * Third party equipment is acceptable provided either the camera body or lens used is Pentax. * If you embed a colour space in the image, it should be sRGB to ensure that the image is displayed correctly on line. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Scotch Tape Series
Good thing I havent had breakfast yet... those are truly stomach turning ann On 12/21/2012 02:16, Larry Colen wrote: On Dec 20, 2012, at 6:32 AM, Charles Robinson wrote: On Dec 20, 2012, at 3:38 , Anthony Farr farranth...@gmail.com wrote: An interesting set of portraits: http://wesnamanphotography.com/portfolio/scotch-tape-series/ It's early, but so far that's the weirdest thing I've seen all day. I guess you don't live very close to Walt. Or Cotty. Or me. Or for that matter, anybody else on the PDML. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Grown up
Very nice! I like the soft colors and the composition. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 5:31 AM, SV Hovland pdml...@heime.org wrote: https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2D01AE85E70E90E2!140042authkey=!ACFUT1Z28kXgNsw Stig Vidar Hovland -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax? You know, I used to have a K1000. What ever happened to them?
Bob Sullivan wrote: John, 1. It's only a tool. You should get over your Pentax loyalty. That's why I bought my Sony A850. In an odd kind of way the A850 is the DSLR equivalent of the K1000. Not specifically in terms of simplicity and certainly not in price(!), but relative to other DSLR's it does have a relatively minimalist interface (more switch-and-knob driven than menu driven than most DSLRs) and it is/was the least expensive full-frame DSLR. Great, simple, clear viewfinder. Just a big lump of camera that does its job well. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax? You know, I used to have a K1000. What ever happened to them?
I was in Central Camera the other day and asked if they had the Fuji X10 or X100-just wanted to check it out . Well, they didn't have either, and if one was truly interested in it, he or she would have to special order! Now that surprised me. Of course, like Paul says, so much shopping is done online--and not just cameras. I find brick and mortar shopping a bit frustrating--when I can't find what I'm looking for, I'm often told they have it on line. I do my fair share of online shopping, but I prefer it balanced with brick and mortar browsing and shopping, which is always more fun anyway. Cheers, Christine On Dec 21, 2012, at 6:55 AM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: On Dec 21, 2012, at 7:34 AM, Krisjanis Linkevics krisjanis.linkev...@exigenservices.com wrote: When I bought my *ist-D the local, (30 miles away local, but the only surviving). Camera store still carried Pentax. So I actually got to hold one and try one out before I bought. The more or less local Ritz camera store, actually had a K10D and a number of lenses in stock, but was even further away, (gone now and not much lamented). I have no idea how Pentax expects to gain market share especially as you can see Nikon and Canon products in pretty much any big box store. I have been pondering this for quite some time now. A few years ago some of my family members went to China. I wanted some Pentax gear but the locals said Pentax wasn't popular there so no presence in stores. This October my wife went to Singapore and I had high hopes for some gear - again, no presence in any of the shopping malls. I got a hold of one address that carries Pentax but there was no time to get there. We have one chain that is kind of the official Pentax dealer here, can even see the 645D on display. But again - no presence in any of the other stores in contrast to Canon, Nikon and Sony. Pentax gear might be good (even if we have to take things like DxO ratings with a pound of salt) but no first time customers will ever know it. The only store that sells Pentax here is on a roll with Sony now and the only sales rep that was ever passionate about Pentax there hasn't been seen for the last 4-5 years, probably retired. So even if they are a Pentax dealer they are currently focused on selling boatloads of Sony gear. I don't see any real reason for me to jump ship, I just have to ask myself if I am getting and will continue getting a good deal on Pentax if they can't sell enough cameras and lenses because of the lack of presence. Ultimately as a customer I am paying more just because of their inability to sell and they don't have the money to make anything better because I can't possibly pay them enough to make any considerable difference to the RD budget. The vast majority of camera sales are from on-line sources, where Pentax is reasonably well represented. The percentage of industry internet sales will only continue to grow. Maintaining and supporting a brick-and-mortar presence is expensive and probably not in Pentax's best interest, although they have dabbled with some presence in Costco stores and were recently available through Costco's online sources. Paul kris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Groupon: K-01 with 40/2.8 XS for $299
Groupon has the K-01 in your choice of color, with the 40/2.8 XS lens, for $299. The lens alone currently sells for $246.95 at BH. http://www.groupon.com/deals/gg-pentax-digital-camera -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which projectors are better for Photos? (3LCD vs DLP)
On Dec 21, 2012, at 2:27 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Christine Aguila Coincidently, I was just at the Epson web site browsing through the projectors, and read Epson recommends at least 2600 lumens. Just FYI. Cheers, Christine they've probably got a cupboard full of overstock lumens they're trying to move quickly before they go off. Agreed. Very sad to be an overlooked and ignored lumen. I give something every year at Christmas, but I know it's not enough. I should do more throughout the year! :-) Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which projectors are better for Photos? (3LCD vs DLP)
Some people, including myself, are prone to seeing annoying motion-induced rainbow artifacts in DLP displays. Even with a static image, I see rainbows when I move my head, or just scan the scene with my eyes. Now, the DLP projectors where I've seen this are cheaper and older than what you're considering, so maybe it won't be a problem. But you should probably make sure you can demo a unit, or return it if you end up being bothered by it. (If you plan to use the projector for guests/crowds, and you don't see the rainbows yourself, you might try to find a friend who has been bothered by this, to get another opinion.) On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: Hi All, I am sure that some people on the list have the knowledge on this topic. For the purpose of presenting photo slideshows, which type of projectors are generally better: 3LCD or DLP? Criteria: accuracy of colors (preferably without too much of calibration), high brightness/contrast (so that the presentation can be done with the ambient light in the room. To better define the category, - I am looking at projectors with at least 2000-2500 lumens, and the price range is to stay within $1000-ish. Resolution: at least XGA (1024x768), possibly WXGA/HD-720 (1280x780/720). I've read a few websites with comparisons between the two types (3LCD and DLP). There are two major problems with those comparisons: 1. Most of those comparisons are several years old, and hence do not reflect the recent changes in both technologies. 2. They are shallow, biased [by the manufacturers of the specific type], or both. Your input, including references to good recent articles on the issue, is greatly appreciated! Thank you, Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax? You know, I used to have a K1000. What ever happened to them?
Well, I was going to go on about the silliness of brand loyalty and all that. But I decided against it. Be loyal to a brand if you want, if it makes you feel good. Judging from all the whinging and angst I read, I'm not sure it does actually make anyone feel good. Sure does nothin' for me, but that's my opinion. I've got my E-1, and the Nikon F, and a couple of nice Oly lenses, and a couple of nice Nikkor lenses, and the GXR, the Leica bodies both film and digital, and a sordid collection of great M-mount lenses. And the Baldix, and the Perkeo II, and the Bessa III ... And the SX-70! And i use them all quite happily, am happy with what they produce and also with where my photography is going. Still got a long ways to go. So where to go to get better, more, whatever equipment? Um, here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/mjfvqilh07eepwf/hasselbladswc-1978-single.jpg https://www.dropbox.com/s/mjfvqilh07eepwf/hasselbladswc-1978.jpg It's cool, it's simple and easy to use, it's pretty, it will make great photographs if I can see them. It cost me less than whatever the latest gizmo du jour costs and it will never be worth less. Victor Hasselblad is just as much a ghost and gone whisper, an irrelevancy in the ether of today's market as Pentax. Or Minolta. Or Contax. Or Balda. Or Ricoh. Or Polaroid. I like it that way. I'll be concentrating on making photographs next year. Happy End of the World Day to you all! -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Groupon: K-01 with 40/2.8 XS for $299
Is the lens usable on other Pentax digital cameras? Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote: Groupon has the K-01 in your choice of color, with the 40/2.8 XS lens, for $299. The lens alone currently sells for $246.95 at BH. http://www.groupon.com/deals/gg-pentax-digital-camera -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Groupon: K-01 with 40/2.8 XS for $299
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: Is the lens usable on other Pentax digital cameras? Yes; these folks tested it on the K-5. http://www.slrgear.com/reviews/showproduct.php/product/1490/cat/45 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax? You know, I used to have a K1000. What ever happened to them?
John, That's where I was at a year ago. While I respect Bob's viewpoint on not NEEDING more, that's not really the point, IMHO. None of us NEED even the cameras we currently have. All hobbyist pursuits involve spending discretionary income because the hobby (from knitting, to stamp collecting, to photography) brings us enjoyment and satisfaction. Put a price on that. I don't need those 24K gold knitting needles now do I? (just kidding, they're sterling silver... just kidding I don't know how to knit.) For those that bought an *ist D and then up through the K-series, that was not a need either. It was a want. It was done so because the newer model was perceived as better and therefore it was wanted. Same holds true regardless of brand and across brands. One needn't stay 'locked to brand' because of an investment in lenses. Yes I understand how one can be financially, or how one can feel that they are. I was for quite a while. That's certainly valid. Barring simply not having funds for new lenses/system, being locked in is more a choice and a mindset as it is a reality. Once simply has to sell their current gear, knowing it will fund at least a portion of the new gear and then gradually build up the lens collection to what one's satisfied with. John's correct when he states it's a matter of WANTING. It becomes fairly simple then. If your current brand of anything is not giving you what you want, then it makes sense to look elsewhere. I agree totally with your feelings regarding Pentax's lack of market presence. A list member who lurks shared these thoughts with me (slightly paraphrased): 'It costs a lot for Pentax to be in big box stores. For one thing, it's a bidding war for shelf space which the vendor has to pay. For another, all those demos that get trashed and have to be replaced fairly often belong to the vendor. Also, no questions asked returns are high when selling in a big box store. the vendor has to eat it. Finally, the big box stores demand lower unit costs because they are buying in bulk but whatever doesn't sell, the vendor has to take back. Pentax has no choice but to avoid them because it's a good way to lose money.' It's too bad Pentax has put themselves in this unenviable position. It's difficult to have a large RD budget when one has placed themselves as a bargain brand and has essentially 'locked' themselves into their market position. I'd bet dollars to donuts that's why we don't see more competitive products at present, both in a higher MP APS-C body and a 24x36 body. The Sony NEX-7 announcement is what pushed me over the cliff. I had said I wasn't going to buy any more Pentax bodies or lenses after I got the *ist D. I did however. I'm not sorry about doing so, but each time it was funds diverted and put into Pentax that could have been spent elsewhere. I didn't need to move away from Pentax (I haven't totally, I still use some lenses), but since hobbies are discretionary, I decided to spend elsewhere, In reality it was as much Pentax leaving me as it was me leaving Pentax. Tom C. On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 10:18 PM, pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 8 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 22:46:03 -0500 From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax? You know, I used to have a K1000. What ever happenedto them? Message-ID: 50d3db7b.5090...@nc.rr.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Correction: What ever happened to Pentax? From: Bob Sullivan John (and Walt too), This forum is my substitute for holding a new Pentax in my hands. I've bought everything mail order, sight unseen. That's a *ist DS, K-10, K-20, K-7, K-5 K-5IIs. Once you are locked in by the investment in lenses, you're locked in. You go for the best price you can. And that's mail-order, even 5 years ago when the *ist D was in local camera shops. You're a hobbyist, not a pro. What do you NEED to do with that new camera that you can't do right now? No seriously, how is your current camera/lens holding you back! Stop falling for all the marketing hype and just shoot some pictures. Photography is a hard business to make money in. The successful ones I've seen are better salesmen than photographers. So just get over it...or wait for Godfrey's 'After the World's End Sale Days'. Regards, Bob S. Yeah, you can get better prices on-line. Wasn't my point. What do people look for on-line? They look for the brands they know about; the ones they've seen at Walmart, Costco, Target ... or they buy from Walmart, Costco, Target or once upon a time Wolf Camera/Ritz Camera (are there any camera chains left?). Sometimes, they even shop at independent camera stores like the two here in Raleigh. They may look at the camera in Walmart look on-line at Walmart.com for a better price and then end up buying from Amazon, Adorama BH. But they don't look at Nikon/Canon/Sony at Walmart and then go looking on-line for Pentax. There's
RE: FS: Two Sigma 24mm f/2.8 Super-Wide II lenses (one AF, one MF)
These lenses are still available -- photos available on request. If interested, email me at jj...@cornell.edu. Thanks for the discussion about these lenses sparked by this posting last week! Two lenses in excellent condition -- the AF Sigma 24mm f/2.8 Super-Wide II and the MF (with Pentax-A contacts) Sigma 24mm f/2.8 Super-Wide II lenses in Pentax mount. The AF lens seems to need a -1.0 EF adjustment on most Pentax digital bodies; the MF lens needs -1.3 EF or so (this seems to be typical of Sigma lenses from the film era on current Pentax bodies?) These are nice compact prime lenses and the AF version is not something Pentax has ever had in its own lineup (only the very large and expensive 24mm f/2.0). See a decent selection of comments and reviews on these two lenses here: http://www.pentaxforums.com/userreviews/sigma-24mm-f2-8-af-super-wide-ii.html http://www.pentaxforums.com/userreviews/sigma-24mm-f2-8-super-wide-ii.html Both are multicoated, have 52mm filter threads and I believe I have two copies of the clip-on Sigma perfect hoods that go with them. The AF lens focuses in the correct Pentax direction; the MF lens is opposite. F-stop ring is the correct Pentax direction on both lenses. They both focus down to 0/6 ft./0.18 m. Asking $135 for the AF lens, $85 for the MF. Joe Wilensky -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
didnt pentax invent multicoating in '71?
someone in another forum is trying to argue with me that pentax didnt develop multicoated glass first. I say they did in 1971. Hes saying fuji did in 1964 and I have never heard of such a thing. anyone have any info on this? - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: didnt pentax invent multicoating in '71?
Quoting this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-reflective_coating -- start quote Interference-based coatings were invented in November 1935 by Alexander Smakula, who was working for the Carl Zeiss optics company. Anti-reflection coatings were a German military secret until the early stages of World War II.[1] Katharine Burr Blodgett and Irving Langmuir developed organic anti-reflection coatings in the late 1930s.[citat -- end quote On 12/21/2012 7:54 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: someone in another forum is trying to argue with me that pentax didnt develop multicoated glass first. I say they did in 1971. Hes saying fuji did in 1964 and I have never heard of such a thing. anyone have any info on this? - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: didnt pentax invent multicoating in '71?
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Quoting this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-reflective_coating -- start quote Interference-based coatings were invented in November 1935 by Alexander Smakula, who was working for the Carl Zeiss optics company. Anti-reflection coatings were a German military secret until the early stages of World War II.[1] Katharine Burr Blodgett and Irving Langmuir developed organic anti-reflection coatings in the late 1930s.[citat -- end quote Those are presumably single-layer coatings. JC is asking about multicoating. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - I've Grown Accustomed to Your Face
Marnie, Beautiful, but you need Doc Edgerton to loan you one of his really big flash tubes to get a little detail in the fir trees. ;-) Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 7:06 AM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: Trying to limit the calendar I am making for friend to photos taken just in the last 2-3 years, but didn't have enough, so digging deeper. This made the cut. Taken 2009. Very, very, similar to something I've already shown here, and on FB -- just MORE of it (completely different shot, though). So feel free to skip commenting if you remember the other. http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/northdome.html Comments welcome. Marnie aka Doe :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Groupon: K-01 with 40/2.8 XS for $299
On 12/21/2012 11:04 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote: Groupon has the K-01 in your choice of color, with the 40/2.8 XS lens, for $299. The lens alone currently sells for $246.95 at BH. http://www.groupon.com/deals/gg-pentax-digital-camera Wow, I can now save so much money on a camera I'm not particularly interested in. -- Buy a Leica to get the full “Leica Experience”, (a quick reduction of funds in the bank account). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: didnt pentax invent multicoating in '71?
As I remember an article by Norman Goldberg talking about this (published circa 1979 or so in Modern Photography): The multlayer anti-reflective coating technology was also developed at Zeiss labs in the late 1960s-early 1970s, but Zeiss and Pentax were collaborating on lens design technology at the time in a friendly coopetition so the technology was shared between them. I believe Zeiss holds the basic patents. Zeiss announced and released the T* coatings on their product at just about the exact same time that Pentax announced and released the SMC lenses, they use same coating technologies with different branding and slightly differing manufacturing processes tailored to the individual manufacturer's needs. All the other lens manufacturers licensed the technology from Zeiss and developed their own multicoating techniques based on it too. Rollei called theirs HFT (it was almost exactly Zeiss T* because most of their lenses were manufactured by Zeiss, but using their own branding was less expensive...). Nikon, Canon, Olympus, Minolta, etc, never made a big deal of branding their lens coating technologies the way Pentax and Zeiss did, but post 1972-1973 nearly all the higher-end lenses from every manufacturer had the more expensive multicoatings applied to them. It was necessary to stay competitive. Assuming my memory isn't a fantastical hallucination, that's about the story. ;-) G On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Quoting this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-reflective_coating -- start quote Interference-based coatings were invented in November 1935 by Alexander Smakula, who was working for the Carl Zeiss optics company. Anti-reflection coatings were a German military secret until the early stages of World War II.[1] Katharine Burr Blodgett and Irving Langmuir developed organic anti-reflection coatings in the late 1930s.[citat -- end quote Those are presumably single-layer coatings. JC is asking about multicoating. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: didnt pentax invent multicoating in '71?
What I recall is a small company called OCLI which was working for nasa developed the process for the 7 layer coatings and sold the rights to pentax which then held the patent so no one else could make them. Pentax then released the worlds first super multi coated consumer photographic lenses in '71. - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 1:19 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: didnt pentax invent multicoating in '71? As I remember an article by Norman Goldberg talking about this (published circa 1979 or so in Modern Photography): The multlayer anti-reflective coating technology was also developed at Zeiss labs in the late 1960s-early 1970s, but Zeiss and Pentax were collaborating on lens design technology at the time in a friendly coopetition so the technology was shared between them. I believe Zeiss holds the basic patents. Zeiss announced and released the T* coatings on their product at just about the exact same time that Pentax announced and released the SMC lenses, they use same coating technologies with different branding and slightly differing manufacturing processes tailored to the individual manufacturer's needs. All the other lens manufacturers licensed the technology from Zeiss and developed their own multicoating techniques based on it too. Rollei called theirs HFT (it was almost exactly Zeiss T* because most of their lenses were manufactured by Zeiss, but using their own branding was less expensive...). Nikon, Canon, Olympus, Minolta, etc, never made a big deal of branding their lens coating technologies the way Pentax and Zeiss did, but post 1972-1973 nearly all the higher-end lenses from every manufacturer had the more expensive multicoatings applied to them. It was necessary to stay competitive. Assuming my memory isn't a fantastical hallucination, that's about the story. ;-) G On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Quoting this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-reflective_coating -- start quote Interference-based coatings were invented in November 1935 by Alexander Smakula, who was working for the Carl Zeiss optics company. Anti-reflection coatings were a German military secret until the early stages of World War II.[1] Katharine Burr Blodgett and Irving Langmuir developed organic anti-reflection coatings in the late 1930s.[citat -- end quote Those are presumably single-layer coatings. JC is asking about multicoating. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Groupon: K-01 with 40/2.8 XS for $299
Hmm. I just bought a (very slightly) used 40/2.8 Ltd on eBay for $285. If I had waited a few days I could have had a similar lens plus a free camera. Oh well. Thanks for the link. stan On Dec 21, 2012, at 11:04 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote: Groupon has the K-01 in your choice of color, with the 40/2.8 XS lens, for $299. The lens alone currently sells for $246.95 at BH. http://www.groupon.com/deals/gg-pentax-digital-camera -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: didnt pentax invent multicoating in '71?
http://www.efiber.net/Company_Listings/O/OCLI/_ocli.htm - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of J.C. O'Connell Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 1:25 PM To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: didnt pentax invent multicoating in '71? What I recall is a small company called OCLI which was working for nasa developed the process for the 7 layer coatings and sold the rights to pentax which then held the patent so no one else could make them. Pentax then released the worlds first super multi coated consumer photographic lenses in '71. - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 1:19 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: didnt pentax invent multicoating in '71? As I remember an article by Norman Goldberg talking about this (published circa 1979 or so in Modern Photography): The multlayer anti-reflective coating technology was also developed at Zeiss labs in the late 1960s-early 1970s, but Zeiss and Pentax were collaborating on lens design technology at the time in a friendly coopetition so the technology was shared between them. I believe Zeiss holds the basic patents. Zeiss announced and released the T* coatings on their product at just about the exact same time that Pentax announced and released the SMC lenses, they use same coating technologies with different branding and slightly differing manufacturing processes tailored to the individual manufacturer's needs. All the other lens manufacturers licensed the technology from Zeiss and developed their own multicoating techniques based on it too. Rollei called theirs HFT (it was almost exactly Zeiss T* because most of their lenses were manufactured by Zeiss, but using their own branding was less expensive...). Nikon, Canon, Olympus, Minolta, etc, never made a big deal of branding their lens coating technologies the way Pentax and Zeiss did, but post 1972-1973 nearly all the higher-end lenses from every manufacturer had the more expensive multicoatings applied to them. It was necessary to stay competitive. Assuming my memory isn't a fantastical hallucination, that's about the story. ;-) G On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Quoting this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-reflective_coating -- start quote Interference-based coatings were invented in November 1935 by Alexander Smakula, who was working for the Carl Zeiss optics company. Anti-reflection coatings were a German military secret until the early stages of World War II.[1] Katharine Burr Blodgett and Irving Langmuir developed organic anti-reflection coatings in the late 1930s.[citat -- end quote Those are presumably single-layer coatings. JC is asking about multicoating. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax? You know, I used to have a K1000. What ever happenedto them?
I have no idea how Pentax expects to gain market share especially as you can see Nikon and Canon products in pretty much any big box store. The PDML ? [ : +) Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Pentax? You know, I used to have a K1000. What ever happenedto them? When I bought my *ist-D the local, (30 miles away local, but the only surviving). Camera store still carried Pentax. So I actually got to hold one and try one out before I bought. The more or less local Ritz camera store, actually had a K10D and a number of lenses in stock, but was even further away, (gone now and not much lamented). I have no idea how Pentax expects to gain market share especially as you can see Nikon and Canon products in pretty much any big box store. On 12/20/2012 5:27 PM, John Sessoms wrote: I went over to Costco this afternoon to buy my 2013 supply of toilet tissue. They had a big mound of Nikon D600 kits (two lenses - 24-85 70-300 + some wireless plugin device) that caught my eye. I browsed around a bit there were other Nikons DSLRs, bridge cameras (those things that look like a DSLR, but don't have interchangeable lenses) point 'n shoots. Ditto for Canon Sony. It was pretty obvious Costco was selling them. A guy was restocking one the mounds of the Canon DSLR kits while I was there. No Pentax K-01, K-5 (any flavor), K-30 or WG-1 kits in the store. Nothing to suggest Pentax even exists anymore, much less that Costco actually sells them. I just don't understand how Pentax can expect to attract new users without cameras in the stores to attract buyers to the Pentax brand. I was really tempted by the D600 kit. American Express upped my credit limit last month. The only thing that really held me back was my determination not to make ANY major purchase before 2013. Plus I really do want to wait see if Pentax will introduce a camera I want to buy. I waited a long time for Pentax to finally introduce the *ist-D. I can probably wait a bit longer to see if they will ever introduce another camera I want to buy. I just don't know if I'm going to live that long. -- Buy a Leica to get the full “Leica Experience”, (a quick reduction of funds in the bank account -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax? You know, I used to have a K1000. What ever happenedto them?
On 12/21/2012 1:53 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: I have no idea how Pentax expects to gain market share especially as you can see Nikon and Canon products in pretty much any big box store. The PDML ? [ : +) Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Pentax? You know, I used to have a K1000. What ever happenedto them? When I bought my *ist-D the local, (30 miles away local, but the only surviving). Camera store still carried Pentax. So I actually got to hold one and try one out before I bought. The more or less local Ritz camera store, actually had a K10D and a number of lenses in stock, but was even further away, (gone now and not much lamented). I have no idea how Pentax expects to gain market share especially as you can see Nikon and Canon products in pretty much any big box store. On 12/20/2012 5:27 PM, John Sessoms wrote: I went over to Costco this afternoon to buy my 2013 supply of toilet tissue. They had a big mound of Nikon D600 kits (two lenses - 24-85 70-300 + some wireless plugin device) that caught my eye. I browsed around a bit there were other Nikons DSLRs, bridge cameras (those things that look like a DSLR, but don't have interchangeable lenses) point 'n shoots. Ditto for Canon Sony. It was pretty obvious Costco was selling them. A guy was restocking one the mounds of the Canon DSLR kits while I was there. No Pentax K-01, K-5 (any flavor), K-30 or WG-1 kits in the store. Nothing to suggest Pentax even exists anymore, much less that Costco actually sells them. I just don't understand how Pentax can expect to attract new users without cameras in the stores to attract buyers to the Pentax brand. I was really tempted by the D600 kit. American Express upped my credit limit last month. The only thing that really held me back was my determination not to make ANY major purchase before 2013. Plus I really do want to wait see if Pentax will introduce a camera I want to buy. I waited a long time for Pentax to finally introduce the *ist-D. I can probably wait a bit longer to see if they will ever introduce another camera I want to buy. I just don't know if I'm going to live that long. It takes a special kind of idiot to find the PDML, as opposed to the normal kind of idiot that buys a Canon Rebel on the advice of a minimum wage earning drone at Best Buy. -- Buy a Leica to get the full “Leica Experience”, (a quick reduction of funds in the bank account). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: didnt pentax invent multicoating in '71?
There are at least two key sources for something like multicoating. You need to have an idea what magic elixir(s) will pass light without reflection, discoloration, etc. Then you need to have a practical manufacturing process to reliably and accurately deposit multiple coats of the elixir(s) on curved glass. Probably a bit of trial-and-error to resolve trade-offs as both what-to-put-on and how-to-put-it-on are addressed. My speculation is that Pentax developed the formulae for the coatings, possibly with help from OCLI. They then worked with Zeiss to develop the process for applying said coatings to camera lenses. The roles I suggest for some of the players may be off, but I suspect that no one small group developed the MC technology. stan On Dec 21, 2012, at 1:27 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: http://www.efiber.net/Company_Listings/O/OCLI/_ocli.htm - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of J.C. O'Connell Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 1:25 PM To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: didnt pentax invent multicoating in '71? What I recall is a small company called OCLI which was working for nasa developed the process for the 7 layer coatings and sold the rights to pentax which then held the patent so no one else could make them. Pentax then released the worlds first super multi coated consumer photographic lenses in '71. - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 1:19 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: didnt pentax invent multicoating in '71? As I remember an article by Norman Goldberg talking about this (published circa 1979 or so in Modern Photography): The multlayer anti-reflective coating technology was also developed at Zeiss labs in the late 1960s-early 1970s, but Zeiss and Pentax were collaborating on lens design technology at the time in a friendly coopetition so the technology was shared between them. I believe Zeiss holds the basic patents. Zeiss announced and released the T* coatings on their product at just about the exact same time that Pentax announced and released the SMC lenses, they use same coating technologies with different branding and slightly differing manufacturing processes tailored to the individual manufacturer's needs. All the other lens manufacturers licensed the technology from Zeiss and developed their own multicoating techniques based on it too. Rollei called theirs HFT (it was almost exactly Zeiss T* because most of their lenses were manufactured by Zeiss, but using their own branding was less expensive...). Nikon, Canon, Olympus, Minolta, etc, never made a big deal of branding their lens coating technologies the way Pentax and Zeiss did, but post 1972-1973 nearly all the higher-end lenses from every manufacturer had the more expensive multicoatings applied to them. It was necessary to stay competitive. Assuming my memory isn't a fantastical hallucination, that's about the story. ;-) G On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Quoting this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-reflective_coating -- start quote Interference-based coatings were invented in November 1935 by Alexander Smakula, who was working for the Carl Zeiss optics company. Anti-reflection coatings were a German military secret until the early stages of World War II.[1] Katharine Burr Blodgett and Irving Langmuir developed organic anti-reflection coatings in the late 1930s.[citat -- end quote Those are presumably single-layer coatings. JC is asking about multicoating. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Groupon: K-01 with 40/2.8 XS for $299
Now SOLD OUT. Looks like somebody cleared out their remaining US inventory. Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote: Hmm. I just bought a (very slightly) used 40/2.8 Ltd on eBay for $285. If I had waited a few days I could have had a similar lens plus a free camera. Oh well. Thanks for the link. stan On Dec 21, 2012, at 11:04 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote: Groupon has the K-01 in your choice of color, with the 40/2.8 XS lens, for $299. The lens alone currently sells for $246.95 at BH. http://www.groupon.com/deals/gg-pentax-digital-camera -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: didnt pentax invent multicoating in '71?
The way I understand it is the smc lenses were developed by Pentax via OCLI and they did it on their own with no help from Zeiss which is contradictory from your theory. - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Stan Halpin Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 2:17 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: didnt pentax invent multicoating in '71? There are at least two key sources for something like multicoating. You need to have an idea what magic elixir(s) will pass light without reflection, discoloration, etc. Then you need to have a practical manufacturing process to reliably and accurately deposit multiple coats of the elixir(s) on curved glass. Probably a bit of trial-and-error to resolve trade-offs as both what-to-put-on and how-to-put-it-on are addressed. My speculation is that Pentax developed the formulae for the coatings, possibly with help from OCLI. They then worked with Zeiss to develop the process for applying said coatings to camera lenses. The roles I suggest for some of the players may be off, but I suspect that no one small group developed the MC technology. stan On Dec 21, 2012, at 1:27 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: http://www.efiber.net/Company_Listings/O/OCLI/_ocli.htm - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of J.C. O'Connell Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 1:25 PM To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: didnt pentax invent multicoating in '71? What I recall is a small company called OCLI which was working for nasa developed the process for the 7 layer coatings and sold the rights to pentax which then held the patent so no one else could make them. Pentax then released the worlds first super multi coated consumer photographic lenses in '71. - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 1:19 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: didnt pentax invent multicoating in '71? As I remember an article by Norman Goldberg talking about this (published circa 1979 or so in Modern Photography): The multlayer anti-reflective coating technology was also developed at Zeiss labs in the late 1960s-early 1970s, but Zeiss and Pentax were collaborating on lens design technology at the time in a friendly coopetition so the technology was shared between them. I believe Zeiss holds the basic patents. Zeiss announced and released the T* coatings on their product at just about the exact same time that Pentax announced and released the SMC lenses, they use same coating technologies with different branding and slightly differing manufacturing processes tailored to the individual manufacturer's needs. All the other lens manufacturers licensed the technology from Zeiss and developed their own multicoating techniques based on it too. Rollei called theirs HFT (it was almost exactly Zeiss T* because most of their lenses were manufactured by Zeiss, but using their own branding was less expensive...). Nikon, Canon, Olympus, Minolta, etc, never made a big deal of branding their lens coating technologies the way Pentax and Zeiss did, but post 1972-1973 nearly all the higher-end lenses from every manufacturer had the more expensive multicoatings applied to them. It was necessary to stay competitive. Assuming my memory isn't a fantastical hallucination, that's about the story. ;-) G On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Quoting this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-reflective_coating -- start quote Interference-based coatings were invented in November 1935 by Alexander Smakula, who was working for the Carl Zeiss optics company. Anti-reflection coatings were a German military secret until the early stages of World War II.[1] Katharine Burr Blodgett and Irving Langmuir developed organic anti-reflection coatings in the late 1930s.[citat -- end quote Those are presumably single-layer coatings. JC is asking about multicoating. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the
RE: PESO: Birds
From: SV Hovland https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2D01AE85E70E90E2!140040authkey=!ACO-zWDmh5Y826g Stig Vidar Hovland I sort of like that one in a minimalist kind of way. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Three Pentax K-5s at Amazon Warehouse Deals
On Dec 21, 2012, at 13:27 , Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Lowest new prices I could find (U.S.) for the original K-5 body are currently in the neighborhood of $785. But Amazon Warehouse Deals has three right now that (if you don't mind the minor cosmetics and only 30 day warranty) are available between $638-659. http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0043M6F14/ref=sr_1_5_olp?ie=UTF8condition=usedm=A2L77EE7U53NWQqid=1356117586s=genericsr=1-5 Just in case anybody wants to snag one. :) There's also one in EX condition at KEH for $665. If I hadn't told the CFO I'll wait until after Christmas I'd be buying it right now. :-( -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - I've Grown Accustomed to Your Face
Heh. Thanks, Bob. In this case I don't mind the trees being silhouettes. Yosemite is a challenge, get the rock and trees dark out, get the trees and the rock is too light. It's actually a high contrast situation, although it doesn't appear to be when you are actually shooting it. I suppose I could lighten shadows on the trees, but I'd have to do it without lightening the rocks. Marnie aka Doe In a message dated 12/21/2012 10:13:57 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, rf.sulli...@gmail.com writes: Marnie, Beautiful, but you need Doc Edgerton to loan you one of his really big flash tubes to get a little detail in the fir trees. ;-) Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 7:06 AM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: Trying to limit the calendar I am making for friend to photos taken just in the last 2-3 years, but didn't have enough, so digging deeper. This made the cut. Taken 2009. Very, very, similar to something I've already shown here, and on FB -- just MORE of it (completely different shot, though). So feel free to skip commenting if you remember the other. http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/northdome.html Comments welcome. Marnie aka Doe :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Three Pentax K-5s at Amazon Warehouse Deals
I could have sworn I saw today someone on ebay selling new k-5 for $750 - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Charles Robinson Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 3:19 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Three Pentax K-5s at Amazon Warehouse Deals On Dec 21, 2012, at 13:27 , Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Lowest new prices I could find (U.S.) for the original K-5 body are currently in the neighborhood of $785. But Amazon Warehouse Deals has three right now that (if you don't mind the minor cosmetics and only 30 day warranty) are available between $638-659. http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0043M6F14/ref=sr_1_5_olp?ie=UTF8con dition=usedm=A2L77EE7U53NWQqid=1356117586s=genericsr=1-5 Just in case anybody wants to snag one. :) There's also one in EX condition at KEH for $665. If I hadn't told the CFO I'll wait until after Christmas I'd be buying it right now. :-( -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Piano
Interesting. Almost cropped too tight for me, though. Someone dropped a cake on the piano? Marnie aka Doe That's the most positive construction I can put on it. :-) In a message dated 12/21/2012 4:18:13 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, pdml...@heime.org writes: https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2D01AE85E70E90E2!140045authkey=!ADYE1 sMuF237tyw Stig Vidar Hovland -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Birds
Heh. I like that. So simple, but really gives the feeling of birds and potential flight. Marnie aka Doe :-) In a message dated 12/21/2012 1:31:03 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, pdml...@heime.org writes: https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2D01AE85E70E90E2!140040authkey=!ACO-z WDmh5Y826g Stig Vidar Hovland -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Three Pentax K-5s at Amazon Warehouse Deals
Buydig has them for 684.00 (with online coupon) NIB with full guarantee, (worth it I think for 20 bucks), and it's dropped in price there by almost $60 in the last four days. I expect everyone will be matching that price or less for the after Xmas sales. Why rush? On 12/21/2012 3:18 PM, Charles Robinson wrote: On Dec 21, 2012, at 13:27 , Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Lowest new prices I could find (U.S.) for the original K-5 body are currently in the neighborhood of $785. But Amazon Warehouse Deals has three right now that (if you don't mind the minor cosmetics and only 30 day warranty) are available between $638-659. http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0043M6F14/ref=sr_1_5_olp?ie=UTF8condition=usedm=A2L77EE7U53NWQqid=1356117586s=genericsr=1-5 Just in case anybody wants to snag one. :) There's also one in EX condition at KEH for $665. If I hadn't told the CFO I'll wait until after Christmas I'd be buying it right now. :-( -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- Buy a Leica to get the full “Leica Experience”, (a quick reduction of funds in the bank account). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax? You know, I used to have a K1000. What ever happened to them?
That's a lot of what I'm getting at. I don't remember who mentioned Pentax regaining market share. I'm not really concerned with Pentax regaining market share, because I don't expect it to happen in my lifetime. I just don't want Pentax to lose market share and leave me stranded. Without a presence in brick 'n mortar camera stores and/or big box retailers that is all but inevitable. I'm not so much thinking about abandoning ship as worried the ship is going to sink out from under me. That's part 1. Part 2. I *WANT* a full-frame DSLR that I can use my existing Pentax lenses with. The Nikon D600 represents the minimum specifications that camera should have, although I recognize that Pentax is not going to have auto-focus as fast or as accurate as Nikon has, nor is Pentax going to have Nikon's high frame rate. If they come close, they can make up the difference for me with better image quality the low light performance everyone's pushing the K5 for. I have heard all of the arguments why I don't need full-frame. I understand all the arguments whey I don't need full frame. I *WANT* a full-frame DSLR that I can use my existing Pentax lenses with. I'm ready to put my money where my mouth is. One way or another, I am going to have a full-frame DSLR. From: P. J. Alling Which is all true, but how would someone who's only exposure to modern photographic gear is a sales drone in a store that stocks mostly Nikon and Canon, with a possible nod to Sony. Olympus, or Panasonic, and probably read the first site that Google served up which, and I have no idea why except for pure laziness, directed them to Kennyboy, (and don't laugh too hard at that, sites as reputable as DPReview have mentioned him by name with links), or consumer reports which often recommends based on features for the money rather than anything else. How pray tell is our photographic naif supposed to find Pentax? Even in the few remaining real Camera stores the that may want to stock Pentax as their third or fourth brand they can't, which appears to be a corporate decision.on Pentax's part. On 12/21/2012 2:12 AM, Larry Colen wrote: On Dec 20, 2012, at 2:44 PM, Walt wrote: As I said in my series of gripes on Facebook, if I were just starting out in photography today, I'd be a Canon shooter. There's just no way in hell I would have bought a camera that I could hold in my hands and walk out the door with right there on the spot. The hell of it is, I keep seeing all these great deals on Canon and Nikon bodies in classifieds (e.g., a lightly used 7D for $850) and but for my complete lack of compatible glass, I'd be sorely tempted to change systems. I simply can't afford the investment. So, for the time being, barring some manner of financial windfall, I remain a Pentaxian. When Julie saw the picture I posted of her and Ziggy, she asked about what settings I used, because the room was pretty dark. She doesn't like to shoot with her Canon 5DmkII beyond ISO 3200. I don't like to shoot with my K-5 beyond 8,000, but will push it to 16,000. Even with my K-x I'd shoot without (much) hesitation at 6400. Up until not too long ago the 5DmkII was selling for pretty close to twice what I paid for my K-5, and what? five or six times what I paid for my K-x, either of which will handily out perform it in a poorly lit room. The 5DmkIII will perform on a par, or better than a K-5 in low light, so long as you don't need image stabilization, but it's going for $2,600, twice what a K5-IIs is going for, and about 3.5 times what a K-5 is selling for new. A friend of mine just bought a D600, and isn't real thrilled with it. Last I heard he was talking about returning it and sticking with his G5. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: didnt pentax invent multicoating in '71?
In brief: Zeiss had the know-how, while Asahi Opt.Co,. developed the manufacturing technology for mass-producing multicoted lenses at affordable cost, based on patents by OCLI. So Asahi used the Zeiss knowledge and Zeiss used the Asahi industrial process. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 7:19 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: didnt pentax invent multicoating in '71? As I remember an article by Norman Goldberg talking about this (published circa 1979 or so in Modern Photography): The multlayer anti-reflective coating technology was also developed at Zeiss labs in the late 1960s-early 1970s, but Zeiss and Pentax were collaborating on lens design technology at the time in a friendly coopetition so the technology was shared between them. I believe Zeiss holds the basic patents. Zeiss announced and released the T* coatings on their product at just about the exact same time that Pentax announced and released the SMC lenses, they use same coating technologies with different branding and slightly differing manufacturing processes tailored to the individual manufacturer's needs. All the other lens manufacturers licensed the technology from Zeiss and developed their own multicoating techniques based on it too. Rollei called theirs HFT (it was almost exactly Zeiss T* because most of their lenses were manufactured by Zeiss, but using their own branding was less expensive...). Nikon, Canon, Olympus, Minolta, etc, never made a big deal of branding their lens coating technologies the way Pentax and Zeiss did, but post 1972-1973 nearly all the higher-end lenses from every manufacturer had the more expensive multicoatings applied to them. It was necessary to stay competitive. Assuming my memory isn't a fantastical hallucination, that's about the story. ;-) G On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Quoting this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-reflective_coating -- start quote Interference-based coatings were invented in November 1935 by Alexander Smakula, who was working for the Carl Zeiss optics company. Anti-reflection coatings were a German military secret until the early stages of World War II.[1] Katharine Burr Blodgett and Irving Langmuir developed organic anti-reflection coatings in the late 1930s.[citat -- end quote Those are presumably single-layer coatings. JC is asking about multicoating. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Nessun virus nel messaggio. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 2013.0.2805 / Database dei virus: 2637/5976 - Data di rilascio: 21/12/2012 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Groupon: K-01 with 40/2.8 XS for $299
Oh, boo! I have now totally missed out on saving money on a camera I have wouldn't have been able to work with. On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Now SOLD OUT. Looks like somebody cleared out their remaining US inventory. Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote: Hmm. I just bought a (very slightly) used 40/2.8 Ltd on eBay for $285. If I had waited a few days I could have had a similar lens plus a free camera. Oh well. Thanks for the link. stan On Dec 21, 2012, at 11:04 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote: Groupon has the K-01 in your choice of color, with the 40/2.8 XS lens, for $299. The lens alone currently sells for $246.95 at BH. http://www.groupon.com/deals/gg-pentax-digital-camera -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: didnt pentax invent multicoating in '71?
To put it better: Zeiss knew what to do, but had no industrial process for mass-producing multicoated lenses at affordable cost. So Zeiss used their expensive process for small production of multicoated lenses for military and scientific applications only. When Asahi Opt.Co,. became aware of that during the cooperation with Zeiss, they developed the manufacturing technology for mass-producing multicoated lenses at affordable cost, based on patents by OCLI. So Asahi could apply the Zeiss knowledge and Zeiss could use the Asahi industrial process. Most other manufacturers paid royalties to Pentax for some time, except Fujifilm, who developed their own EBC technology for applying multiple thin layers. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT: O Winston Link Vivian Maier
I was thinking about making a day trip up to Roanoke, VA tomorrow visit the Link Museum to see the collection of O. Winston Link Norfolk and Western RR photos. Maybe see if I can find something to inspire me and get me out of my recent slump. Checked their website to get the hours and I see that they will be hosting a Vivian Maier exhibition Feb 22 - May 6, 2013. http://linkmuseum.org/event3.html#headline (third one down) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax? You know, I used to have a K1000. What ever happenedtothem?
It takes a special kind of idiot to find the PDML, as opposed to the normal kind of idiot that buys a Canon Rebel on the advice of a minimum wage earning drone at Best Buy. Yo MARK! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Pentax? You know, I used to have a K1000. What ever happenedtothem? On 12/21/2012 1:53 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: I have no idea how Pentax expects to gain market share especially as you can see Nikon and Canon products in pretty much any big box store. The PDML ? [ : +) Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Pentax? You know, I used to have a K1000. What ever happenedto them? When I bought my *ist-D the local, (30 miles away local, but the only surviving). Camera store still carried Pentax. So I actually got to hold one and try one out before I bought. The more or less local Ritz camera store, actually had a K10D and a number of lenses in stock, but was even further away, (gone now and not much lamented). I have no idea how Pentax expects to gain market share especially as you can see Nikon and Canon products in pretty much any big box store. On 12/20/2012 5:27 PM, John Sessoms wrote: I went over to Costco this afternoon to buy my 2013 supply of toilet tissue. They had a big mound of Nikon D600 kits (two lenses - 24-85 70-300 + some wireless plugin device) that caught my eye. I browsed around a bit there were other Nikons DSLRs, bridge cameras (those things that look like a DSLR, but don't have interchangeable lenses) point 'n shoots. Ditto for Canon Sony. It was pretty obvious Costco was selling them. A guy was restocking one the mounds of the Canon DSLR kits while I was there. No Pentax K-01, K-5 (any flavor), K-30 or WG-1 kits in the store. Nothing to suggest Pentax even exists anymore, much less that Costco actually sells them. I just don't understand how Pentax can expect to attract new users without cameras in the stores to attract buyers to the Pentax brand. I was really tempted by the D600 kit. American Express upped my credit limit last month. The only thing that really held me back was my determination not to make ANY major purchase before 2013. Plus I really do want to wait see if Pentax will introduce a camera I want to buy. I waited a long time for Pentax to finally introduce the *ist-D. I can probably wait a bit longer to see if they will ever introduce another camera I want to buy. I just don't know if I'm going to live that long. It takes a special kind of idiot to find the PDML, as opposed to the normal kind of idiot that buys a Canon Rebel on the advice of a minimum wage earning drone at Best Buy. -- Buy a Leica to get the full “Leica Experience”, (a quick reduction of funds in the bank account). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Groupon: K-01 with 40/2.8 XS for $299
On Dec 21, 2012, at 14:52 , Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, boo! I have now totally missed out on saving money on a camera I have wouldn't have been able to work with. I think that little 40mm in the front of the K7/K5 would look really cute. Unfortunately, that's not a focal range I ever use much with digital. I've tried. I have the M-40 pancake and it mostly just sits in a box. Was GREAT on the ME-Super! -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - I've Grown Accustomed to Your Face
You need to try Lightroom Marnie. Here's an example of what can be drawn out of those shadows. https://picasaweb.google.com/115638976374047590388/2012121102# Partly done with the Shadows slider. Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 2:19 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: Heh. Thanks, Bob. In this case I don't mind the trees being silhouettes. Yosemite is a challenge, get the rock and trees dark out, get the trees and the rock is too light. It's actually a high contrast situation, although it doesn't appear to be when you are actually shooting it. I suppose I could lighten shadows on the trees, but I'd have to do it without lightening the rocks. Marnie aka Doe In a message dated 12/21/2012 10:13:57 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, rf.sulli...@gmail.com writes: Marnie, Beautiful, but you need Doc Edgerton to loan you one of his really big flash tubes to get a little detail in the fir trees. ;-) Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 7:06 AM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: Trying to limit the calendar I am making for friend to photos taken just in the last 2-3 years, but didn't have enough, so digging deeper. This made the cut. Taken 2009. Very, very, similar to something I've already shown here, and on FB -- just MORE of it (completely different shot, though). So feel free to skip commenting if you remember the other. http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/northdome.html Comments welcome. Marnie aka Doe :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: O Winston Link Vivian Maier
Link made some great night locomotive photos, using multiple flash bulb set-ups. They are really unique, especially with the technology he was using. Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 3:06 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: I was thinking about making a day trip up to Roanoke, VA tomorrow visit the Link Museum to see the collection of O. Winston Link Norfolk and Western RR photos. Maybe see if I can find something to inspire me and get me out of my recent slump. Checked their website to get the hours and I see that they will be hosting a Vivian Maier exhibition Feb 22 - May 6, 2013. http://linkmuseum.org/event3.html#headline (third one down) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - I've Grown Accustomed to Your Face
Alright, alright. Sheesh. Heh. Actually when I use lighten shadows there is very little info to recover from the trees. I do not mind them as silhouettes. I like silhouettes in lots of instances. Maybe next time I visit Yosemite I'll try a little HDR. I've thought about it before. Although, in all honesty, I think a lot of people really overdo HDR -- to the point that it looks totally unnatural. OTOH, Yosemite does have high contrast situations (the granite bounces a lot of light). M ;-) In a message dated 12/21/2012 4:03:59 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, rf.sulli...@gmail.com writes: You need to try Lightroom Marnie. Here's an example of what can be drawn out of those shadows. https://picasaweb.google.com/115638976374047590388/2012121102# Partly done with the Shadows slider. Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 2:19 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: Heh. Thanks, Bob. In this case I don't mind the trees being silhouettes. Yosemite is a challenge, get the rock and trees dark out, get the trees and the rock is too light. It's actually a high contrast situation, although it doesn't appear to be when you are actually shooting it. I suppose I could lighten shadows on the trees, but I'd have to do it without lightening the rocks. Marnie aka Doe In a message dated 12/21/2012 10:13:57 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, rf.sulli...@gmail.com writes: Marnie, Beautiful, but you need Doc Edgerton to loan you one of his really big flash tubes to get a little detail in the fir trees. ;-) Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 7:06 AM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: Trying to limit the calendar I am making for friend to photos taken just in the last 2-3 years, but didn't have enough, so digging deeper. This made the cut. Taken 2009. Very, very, similar to something I've already shown here, and on FB -- just MORE of it (completely different shot, though). So feel free to skip commenting if you remember the other. http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/northdome.html Comments welcome. Marnie aka Doe :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Groupon: K-01 with 40/2.8 XS for $299
I think I will spend that money on a Hasselblad 500 now that their price has come down to something I can afford. -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Charles Robinson Sent: December 21, 2012 5:25 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Groupon: K-01 with 40/2.8 XS for $299 On Dec 21, 2012, at 14:52 , Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, boo! I have now totally missed out on saving money on a camera I have wouldn't have been able to work with. I think that little 40mm in the front of the K7/K5 would look really cute. Unfortunately, that's not a focal range I ever use much with digital. I've tried. I have the M-40 pancake and it mostly just sits in a box. Was GREAT on the ME-Super! -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Pentax? You know, I used to have a K1000. What ever happened to them?
Well said John. I too used to own the Japanese Asahi Pentax K1000 SE. Loved its simplicity. Never let me down. On a 36 shot film cassette got at least 33-34 keepers. Never had a low light shooting problem ever, even on 100 ASA film. And I stick to Pentax a) because I have all these old lenses, b) nostalgia and c) I have few more years left to return to my Maker. Always bought FF digital lenses hoping for that FF Pentax DSLR. And last month a kid joined me with his Canon T3i Kit Lens to photograph a new born baby. All his shots turned out crisp, clear, colorful and sharp w/o flash indoors, to my envy. When I bought my first Pentax DSLR, both my son and son-in-law made a joke out of me. Wish I had listened to them and opted for the Canikons. Alas!!?? Regards. Bipin. camp: Thornhill, Ontario, Canada not the far away enchanting land. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
heading to dickens fair tomorrow
A few weeks back I posted some photos from the Dickens fair (at the Cow Palace in Daly City). I'm planning on heading there tomorrow AM, in case anyone wants to meet up. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT: Bought my first guitar (Old dog, new tricks?)
Don't know if anybody here plays or not, but I've decided to stop putting off things I've always wanted to do and decided to learn the guitar. After exercising my Google Fu, talking to a guitar-playing coworker and asking a couple of questions on the Acoustic Guitar Forum, I decided to get a Seagull S6 (original). If I bought new, I was going to go with Cedar but I tripped across a **gorgeous** 20th Anniversary edition that is Spruce and Maple with a high gloss finish (semi-gloss being the usual finish on a Seagull S6). They only made 2000 of these, apparently and I got it for a LOT less than a new one. I'm always about bang-for-the-buck. It won't be in my hot little hands for a week or two yet when I get it from a friend, but I'm looking forward to trying to learn (Old Dog, New Tricks). I've already discovered the aforementioned forum and justinguitar.com (along with his YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/JustinSandercoe ) and I plan to start with his beginner's course and a book before possibly going to a local teacher for lessons. Anyway, any words of wisdom from The Collective who play would be most welcome. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax? You know, I used to have a K1000. What ever happened to them?
I think it's more the photographer than the equipment. Maybe the kid's just a better photographer than you! I had a friend years ago who used a Practica. He took some pretty good photos...better than me. He upgraded to a Contax RTS with Zeiss lenses...but his photography did not improve. After a twenty year gap we reestablished contact last summer. He's now using a Canon 60D...and his photos still seem much the same. From what I've seen of his stuff I'm now the better photographer (which isn't necessarily saying much)...and I use Pentax and Nikon. At 7:54 PM -0500 12/21/12, Bipin Gupta wrote: Well said John. I too used to own the Japanese Asahi Pentax K1000 SE. Loved its simplicity. Never let me down. On a 36 shot film cassette got at least 33-34 keepers. Never had a low light shooting problem ever, even on 100 ASA film. And I stick to Pentax a) because I have all these old lenses, b) nostalgia and c) I have few more years left to return to my Maker. Always bought FF digital lenses hoping for that FF Pentax DSLR. And last month a kid joined me with his Canon T3i Kit Lens to photograph a new born baby. All his shots turned out crisp, clear, colorful and sharp w/o flash indoors, to my envy. When I bought my first Pentax DSLR, both my son and son-in-law made a joke out of me. Wish I had listened to them and opted for the Canikons. Alas!!?? Regards. Bipin. camp: Thornhill, Ontario, Canada not the far away enchanting land. -- Steve Sharpe d...@eastlink.ca http://earth.delith.com/photo_gallery.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Bought my first guitar (Old dog, new tricks?)
You have to commit to play/practice regularly or otherwise you lose your chops. - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Darren Addy Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 8:14 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: OT: Bought my first guitar (Old dog, new tricks?) Don't know if anybody here plays or not, but I've decided to stop putting off things I've always wanted to do and decided to learn the guitar. After exercising my Google Fu, talking to a guitar-playing coworker and asking a couple of questions on the Acoustic Guitar Forum, I decided to get a Seagull S6 (original). If I bought new, I was going to go with Cedar but I tripped across a **gorgeous** 20th Anniversary edition that is Spruce and Maple with a high gloss finish (semi-gloss being the usual finish on a Seagull S6). They only made 2000 of these, apparently and I got it for a LOT less than a new one. I'm always about bang-for-the-buck. It won't be in my hot little hands for a week or two yet when I get it from a friend, but I'm looking forward to trying to learn (Old Dog, New Tricks). I've already discovered the aforementioned forum and justinguitar.com (along with his YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/JustinSandercoe ) and I plan to start with his beginner's course and a book before possibly going to a local teacher for lessons. Anyway, any words of wisdom from The Collective who play would be most welcome. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: didnt pentax invent multicoating in '71?
Does anyone know for sure if zeiss developed their own multicoatings technologies for their T* coatings or is it just smc licensed and renamed? - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Dario Bonazza Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 3:53 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: didnt pentax invent multicoating in '71? To put it better: Zeiss knew what to do, but had no industrial process for mass-producing multicoated lenses at affordable cost. So Zeiss used their expensive process for small production of multicoated lenses for military and scientific applications only. When Asahi Opt.Co,. became aware of that during the cooperation with Zeiss, they developed the manufacturing technology for mass-producing multicoated lenses at affordable cost, based on patents by OCLI. So Asahi could apply the Zeiss knowledge and Zeiss could use the Asahi industrial process. Most other manufacturers paid royalties to Pentax for some time, except Fujifilm, who developed their own EBC technology for applying multiple thin layers. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Bought my first guitar (Old dog, new tricks?)
What, you bought a 'bang for the buck' brand? You must be a rube or a Pentax user. ;-) Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 7:13 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Don't know if anybody here plays or not, but I've decided to stop putting off things I've always wanted to do and decided to learn the guitar. After exercising my Google Fu, talking to a guitar-playing coworker and asking a couple of questions on the Acoustic Guitar Forum, I decided to get a Seagull S6 (original). If I bought new, I was going to go with Cedar but I tripped across a **gorgeous** 20th Anniversary edition that is Spruce and Maple with a high gloss finish (semi-gloss being the usual finish on a Seagull S6). They only made 2000 of these, apparently and I got it for a LOT less than a new one. I'm always about bang-for-the-buck. It won't be in my hot little hands for a week or two yet when I get it from a friend, but I'm looking forward to trying to learn (Old Dog, New Tricks). I've already discovered the aforementioned forum and justinguitar.com (along with his YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/JustinSandercoe ) and I plan to start with his beginner's course and a book before possibly going to a local teacher for lessons. Anyway, any words of wisdom from The Collective who play would be most welcome. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax? You know, I used to have a K1000. What ever happened to them?
Bipin, Get yourself one of those cheap K-5's and an autofocus lens or two. Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 6:54 PM, Bipin Gupta bip...@gmail.com wrote: All his shots turned out crisp, clear, colorful and sharp w/o flash indoors, to my envy. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO: Cherry Blossoms
Macro detail from an oil painting in our home: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16670441 Comments, criticisms and suggestions are always appreciated. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Bought my first guitar (Old dog, new tricks?)
Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Don't know if anybody here plays or not, We guitarists are a dime a dozen; there's no way a mailing list this size could fail to have a few of us on it. but I've decided to stop putting off things I've always wanted to do and decided to learn the guitar. Mazel tov! decided to get a Seagull S6 (original). Concept #1: the guitar has to be good enough that the student isn't fighting the instrument. Seagull, Yamaha, and Washburn are all good choices for a first axe. I prefer Yamaha (both of my main stage/studio guitars are Yamahas and one is the very guitar I learned on), but I have found every Seagull I've touched comfortable to play and good-sounding. Learning on an Alvarez would be even easier, but justifying an Alvarez price for a first guitar would be a lot harder. (I wish I could afford one now -- they feel really nice in my hands.) Unless the S6 is radically different from the Seagull's I've seen, Seagull is a good choice. As good a choice as the Yamaha I wound up with by luck. Anyway, any words of wisdom from The Collective who play would be most welcome. Concept #2: The single biggest factor in how quickly and how well you learn will be _how_much_time_the_guitar_spends_in_your_hands_. You want a decent case or gig-bag for carrying it outside your house, but at home, at least for the first several years, it should Not be kept in its case! Get a stand, or pick a suitable corner to brace it against -- the corner formed by the front of a desk and an open drawer is a good choice -- someplace where you will have to notice it several times as you go about your day, where picking it up will be almost as easy as walking past it (or easier!). Pick it up every chance you get, even if it's just for a mere few seconds of reminding yourself that it makes pretty noises when you touch it, or getting your fingers a smidgen more accustomed to a chord shape you're learning. Time spent _playing_ is even better ... or practicing, practicing is good too, but even if you're just noodling and exploring on it, that's doing you some good. Play, play play. Practice, study, then play some more. Even before you can do much on it, play what you can do so far, and experiment. If the guitar gets a few extra dings and scratches, maybe a small dent on the back of the neck, that is, ultimately, a _tiny_ price to pay for the constant reminder to Pick Up Your Axe and play. Keep the guitar long enough, and it'll get marks like that _anyhow_, unless you're operating a museum and keeping it in a glass display case. Any guitar that gets played will eventually get dinged. Be careful, sure, but don't freak out about it -- it's inevitable, so it doesn't much matter whether some of the dings come a little earlier for the sake of making sure you get the instrument into your hands as often as possible. After those two key ideas, there's a whole lot of stuff less important than either of those but worth paying attention to ... Get a mirror and put it where you can use it to watch your hands while you play. _Looking_at_your_hands_ is no sin at first (or at all except when you're performing for an audience who can see you), but _hunching_over_ to do so _is_ a problem (I wish I'd had this advice when I was learning). You don't need to use the mirror every time you pick up the guitar, only when you're working on something you stilll need to look at your hands for, or when you're trying to adjust your playing posture and how you're moving your arms. (This is especially important in that last case, because hunching over to look changes all the angles.) Learn to read Spanish tabulature (the kind of guitar tabulature you'll see in magazines and on the web)[*]. If you don't already know how to read modern standard western notation (y'know, with the five-line staff and clefs and such), learn that too. Missing either will severely limit you, but the standard notation is most likely going to be the more important of the two. Change your strings. When they start sounding a little thuddy and un-bright, change your strings. If they ever start showing rust, or if the silvered ones start turning black and feel rough to the touch, change your strings. When you can see a bit of winding missing where a fret has worn through it, change your strings. Violin strings are expensive. Guitar strings are _not_. The first few times you buy new strings, try different kinds (different brands, different weights, silksteel, phosphor bronze, Elixir, ...) until you know what you like. (And when you get another guitar, do this again -- you may well like one kind of strings on one guitar and other strings on a different guitar.) I know you're not likely to really follow this particular advice, so a fallback approach is to set a schedule, like every three months. Play as many different _styles_ of music as you have time to explore, not just the genre you were thinking of when you decided you
Re: PESO: Cherry Blossoms
That would have been a good entry for the January Textures PUG! Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW - Original Message - From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 10:06 PM Subject: PESO: Cherry Blossoms Macro detail from an oil painting in our home: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16670441 Comments, criticisms and suggestions are always appreciated. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - Prague PDML gathering
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16688489size=lg Seventeen proud members in their cormorant costumes, resting near the Charles Bridge. Couldn't interest any in a beer, though, so I question their bona fides. Rick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - Shop 'Til You Drop - the culprits (caution: messenger content)
Last peso I mentioned our messenger holiday dinner. Before the dinner we had a charity alleycat called Shop 'til You Drop. I think this is the third year we've done it. So: an alleycat is an illegal messenger race. You pay a small registration fee and various messenger-friendly businesses (bike shops and coffee shops mostly) donate prizes, the registration fee goes into a pot for the winner and we all have fun. The way the races are done is that there are between six and ten checkpoints. At each checkpoint you get your manifest signed by the checkpoint guys and the finishers must show a completed manifest. Routing is up to each rider, all that matters is that you hit all the checkpoints in any order you want. And that's an alleycat. We do about ten a year. For the alleycat before the holiday dinner there was no entrance fee. Instead of checkpoints the competitors were given a list of non-perishable foods and a list of grocery stores. You had to buy all the stuff on the list and instead of a signed manifest one had to show receipts from the specific stores. The foodstuffs cost about twenty dollars. Last Sunday was rainy so only about ten intrepid folks raced. After everything was tallied up, receipts pored over and winners declared, the food went back into the messenger bags and we went to the local firehall to donate the stuff for their Christmas drive. About a hundred pounds of non-perishables were donated. All this long-winded explanation finally brings us to the peso, in which a group photo of racers and organizers was taken: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2012/12/shop-til-your-drop-post-race.html?m=0 The light was horrible and the K10D only goes up to ISO 1600 so image quality wasn't great. However I think it has sort of a vintage gangster-era look to it. In any event it was all in fun and the guys had fun mugging. Hope you enjoy. Comments always welcome. Cheers, frank If the world were clear, art would not exist. -- Albert Camus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO: Cherry Blossoms
Hey, I can see photo.net tonight! First time in months, only in Firefox (not the default browser), but it works! Beautiful detail, Dan. That's a lovely photo. Cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com Sent: December 21, 2012 12/21/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: PESO: Cherry Blossoms Macro detail from an oil painting in our home: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16670441 Comments, criticisms and suggestions are always appreciated. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - The Founder of the Feast
Thanks, Ken. She has seen it and is quite pleased. You're right, a print to her would be nice. I'll do that. Cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: kwal...@peoplepc.com Sent: December 20, 2012 12/20/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO - The Founder of the Feast Nice capture knarF! I'm sure she'd appreciate a copy. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: knarftheria...@gmail.com Subject: PESO - The Founder of the Feast The local messenger association had its annual holiday dinner last weekend. Leah is a former messenger who is still very active in the community and has been the head chef (as it were) for our annual feast for many years: http://realcanadianhats.blogspot.ca/2012/12/blog-post.html?m=1 Hope you enjoy. Comments always welcome. Cheers, frank to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - The Founder of the Feast
Very kind of you to say, Dan. Thanks. Cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com Sent: December 20, 2012 12/20/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO - The Founder of the Feast That is a very attractive portrait, and fills a unique position in the series. I still think that you must do something with the entire collection, Frank, either a calendar or a book or whatever. This is a strong series and would seem to be very meaningful to all the messengers portrayed and those who know them. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 7:00 AM, knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: The local messenger association had its annual holiday dinner last weekend. Leah is a former messenger who is still very active in the community and has been the head chef (as it were) for our annual feast for many years: http://realcanadianhats.blogspot.ca/2012/12/blog-post.html?m=1 Hope you enjoy. Comments always welcome. Cheers, frank If the world were clear, art would not exist. -- Albert Camus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT: Bought my first guitar (Old dog, new tricks?)
Congratulations. I've always wanted to play but have had a million excuses. Good on ya! Picture of the axe, please. ;-) cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com Sent: December 21, 2012 12/21/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: OT: Bought my first guitar (Old dog, new tricks?) Don't know if anybody here plays or not, but I've decided to stop putting off things I've always wanted to do and decided to learn the guitar. After exercising my Google Fu, talking to a guitar-playing coworker and asking a couple of questions on the Acoustic Guitar Forum, I decided to get a Seagull S6 (original). If I bought new, I was going to go with Cedar but I tripped across a **gorgeous** 20th Anniversary edition that is Spruce and Maple with a high gloss finish (semi-gloss being the usual finish on a Seagull S6). They only made 2000 of these, apparently and I got it for a LOT less than a new one. I'm always about bang-for-the-buck. It won't be in my hot little hands for a week or two yet when I get it from a friend, but I'm looking forward to trying to learn (Old Dog, New Tricks). I've already discovered the aforementioned forum and justinguitar.com (along with his YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/JustinSandercoe ) and I plan to start with his beginner's course and a book before possibly going to a local teacher for lessons. Anyway, any words of wisdom from The Collective who play would be most welcome. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO - I've Grown Accustomed to Your Face
Beautiful! cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: eactiv...@aol.com Sent: December 21, 2012 12/21/12 To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: PESO - I've Grown Accustomed to Your Face Trying to limit the calendar I am making for friend to photos taken just in the last 2-3 years, but didn't have enough, so digging deeper. This made the cut. Taken 2009. Very, very, similar to something I've already shown here, and on FB -- just MORE of it (completely different shot, though). So feel free to skip commenting if you remember the other. http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/northdome.html Comments welcome. Marnie aka Doe :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Shop 'Til You Drop - the culprits (caution: messenger content)
Frank, All enjoyable stuff. I'm beginning to recognize some of your messengers. Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 9:59 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Last peso I mentioned our messenger holiday dinner. Before the dinner we had a charity alleycat called Shop 'til You Drop. I think this is the third year we've done it. So: an alleycat is an illegal messenger race. You pay a small registration fee and various messenger-friendly businesses (bike shops and coffee shops mostly) donate prizes, the registration fee goes into a pot for the winner and we all have fun. The way the races are done is that there are between six and ten checkpoints. At each checkpoint you get your manifest signed by the checkpoint guys and the finishers must show a completed manifest. Routing is up to each rider, all that matters is that you hit all the checkpoints in any order you want. And that's an alleycat. We do about ten a year. For the alleycat before the holiday dinner there was no entrance fee. Instead of checkpoints the competitors were given a list of non-perishable foods and a list of grocery stores. You had to buy all the stuff on the list and instead of a signed manifest one had to show receipts from the specific stores. The foodstuffs cost about twenty dollars. Last Sunday was rainy so only about ten intrepid folks raced. After everything was tallied up, receipts pored over and winners declared, the food went back into the messenger bags and we went to the local firehall to donate the stuff for their Christmas drive. About a hundred pounds of non-perishables were donated. All this long-winded explanation finally brings us to the peso, in which a group photo of racers and organizers was taken: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2012/12/shop-til-your-drop-post-race.html?m=0 The light was horrible and the K10D only goes up to ISO 1600 so image quality wasn't great. However I think it has sort of a vintage gangster-era look to it. In any event it was all in fun and the guys had fun mugging. Hope you enjoy. Comments always welcome. Cheers, frank If the world were clear, art would not exist. -- Albert Camus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Huh! One of my images...
Managed to send my last post before finishing or proofreading it. Meant to say, deserving of ~the~ honour, and meant to congratulate you! cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com Sent: December 17, 2012 12/17/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Huh! One of my images... ...was selected as the Thread of the Week/Featured Thread on the Fred Miranda Forums. I submitted a handful of images to the various categories there and my previous PESO: A Road Less Traveled is the one that got the most attention. I'm rather pleased, as they seem to have some pretty darn good images/photographers over there. Wonder how often a Pentax shot gets selected? :) http://www.fredmiranda.com/ ^ showing it was selected http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1173155 ^ direct link to the thread Best part? This honor a buck-and-a-half will get me a cup of coffee at McDonalds (except that I gave up caffeine about 5 weeks ago). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO 2012 - 140, 141 - GDG
Wow! Both wonderful but I especially like the restaurant shot. Cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Godfrey DiGiorgi ramar...@mac.com Sent: December 17, 2012 12/17/12 To: PAW Picture-A-Week project p...@micapeak.com, SeePhoto Talk seeph...@micapeak.com, BAPhotoShooters BAPA baphotoshoot...@yahoogroups.com, PDML List PDML@pdml.net Subject: PESO 2012 - 140, 141 - GDG No shooting this weekend, too busy with other things. But I processed two more photos from the Balda, made a week ago: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/8280803968/lightbox or http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/8280803968/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/8280803830/lightbox or http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/8280803830/ Thanks for looking! Comments always appreciated. Godfrey -- a photo blog: http://godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Two low light PESOs
On Dec 21, 2012, at 12:32 AM, Christine Aguila cagui...@me.com wrote: I completely agree with Bob's comments. Cheers, Christine On Dec 16, 2012, at 4:18 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Hi Boris, the second one is the stronger of the 2. Both nicely composed and exposed, but the second has a less cliched subject matter. The second one feels slightly hemmed in by the frame, as if you've struggled a bit to squeeze it in. I like the idea of the triangular composition, but it feels a bit strained. Perhaps if you'd done without the lounger (?) on the right, and given the gazebo a bit more breathing space it could have conveyed what I think you were after (the light, the moon, the clouds etc.) slightly better. Still a jolly good shot though. B -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Boris Liberman Sent: 16 December 2012 04:46 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Two low light PESOs Hi! #54 - http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2012/11/peso-2012-54-flow-of-light.html Tech stuff: Ricoh GXR, 50mm module #57 - http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2012/12/peso-2012-57-night.html Text stuff: K-5, DA* 16-50/2.8 Please be brutal and honest. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Street photos
On Dec 21, 2012, at 12:37 AM, Christine Aguila cagui...@me.com wrote: There's a nice mood in the second shot. Cheers, Christine On Dec 18, 2012, at 4:04 AM, SV Hovland pdml...@heime.org wrote: https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2D01AE85E70E90E2!140034authkey=!ABa-Ib4-orvXh-A https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2D01AE85E70E90E2!140035authkey=!AEJN8CR066lYfOQ Stig Vidar Hovland -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO: CRT
Cool! cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com Sent: December 17, 2012 12/17/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: PESO: CRT http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16670472 Comments and criticisms are always appreciated. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: King of Norway
On Dec 21, 2012, at 10:06 AM, Christine Aguila cagui...@me.com wrote: HI Stig: I think this is the strongest image of the series you've just posted. Dramatic light, strong composition, warm colors, good texture. Very nice. I see from the EXF data you're having some Q Fun! I also like the crazy clutter composition of Hole in the Floor. Very Playful! Cheers, Christine On Dec 21, 2012, at 6:50 AM, SV Hovland pdml...@heime.org wrote: https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2D01AE85E70E90E2!140046authkey=!ALxcZpHeYgkH4lI Stig Vidar Hovland -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso The Winter Farm
On Dec 21, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Christine Aguila cagui...@me.com wrote: Nice gritty feel, Don, though I believe this scene may have changed recently with all the snow that just dumped on your state. Are you out shooting snow drifts and such? :-) Cheers, Christine On Dec 21, 2012, at 5:37 AM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Gorgeous! cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Don Guthrie shark50...@gmail.com Sent: December 17, 2012 12/17/12 To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Peso The Winter Farm The weather has been grey gloomy but I could not wait for decent clouds and this is just what Iowa looks like without some Winter snow. Comments Critique always welcomed. http://www.flickr.com/photos/valdon/8282416548/in/photostream/lightbox/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Cherry Blossoms
Thanks, Frank. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 11:05 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, I can see photo.net tonight! First time in months, only in Firefox (not the default browser), but it works! Beautiful detail, Dan. That's a lovely photo. Cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com Sent: December 21, 2012 12/21/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: PESO: Cherry Blossoms Macro detail from an oil painting in our home: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16670441 Comments, criticisms and suggestions are always appreciated. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Shop 'Til You Drop - the culprits (caution: messenger content)
Totally agree, Frank! Great expressions and playful body positions. Lots of energy to the photo. Cheers, Christine On Dec 21, 2012, at 9:59 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Last peso I mentioned our messenger holiday dinner. Before the dinner we had a charity alleycat called Shop 'til You Drop. I think this is the third year we've done it. So: an alleycat is an illegal messenger race. You pay a small registration fee and various messenger-friendly businesses (bike shops and coffee shops mostly) donate prizes, the registration fee goes into a pot for the winner and we all have fun. The way the races are done is that there are between six and ten checkpoints. At each checkpoint you get your manifest signed by the checkpoint guys and the finishers must show a completed manifest. Routing is up to each rider, all that matters is that you hit all the checkpoints in any order you want. And that's an alleycat. We do about ten a year. For the alleycat before the holiday dinner there was no entrance fee. Instead of checkpoints the competitors were given a list of non-perishable foods and a list of grocery stores. You had to buy all the stuff on the list and instead of a signed manifest one had to show receipts from the specific stores. The foodstuffs cost about twenty dollars. Last Sunday was rainy so only about ten intrepid folks raced. After everything was tallied up, receipts pored over and winners declared, the food went back into the messenger bags and we went to the local firehall to donate the stuff for their Christmas drive. About a hundred pounds of non-perishables were donated. All this long-winded explanation finally brings us to the peso, in which a group photo of racers and organizers was taken: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2012/12/shop-til-your-drop-post-race.html?m=0 The light was horrible and the K10D only goes up to ISO 1600 so image quality wasn't great. However I think it has sort of a vintage gangster-era look to it. In any event it was all in fun and the guys had fun mugging. Hope you enjoy. Comments always welcome. Cheers, frank If the world were clear, art would not exist. -- Albert Camus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO 2012 - 140, 141 - GDG
I especially like the Orchard shot, but I agree with Frank: both are great! Cheers, Christine On Dec 21, 2012, at 11:16 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Wow! Both wonderful but I especially like the restaurant shot. Cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Godfrey DiGiorgi ramar...@mac.com Sent: December 17, 2012 12/17/12 To: PAW Picture-A-Week project p...@micapeak.com, SeePhoto Talk seeph...@micapeak.com, BAPhotoShooters BAPA baphotoshoot...@yahoogroups.com, PDML List PDML@pdml.net Subject: PESO 2012 - 140, 141 - GDG No shooting this weekend, too busy with other things. But I processed two more photos from the Balda, made a week ago: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/8280803968/lightbox or http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/8280803968/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/8280803830/lightbox or http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/8280803830/ Thanks for looking! Comments always appreciated. Godfrey -- a photo blog: http://godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Cherry Blossoms
That's pretty, Dan! Cheers, Christine On Dec 21, 2012, at 9:06 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: Macro detail from an oil painting in our home: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16670441 Comments, criticisms and suggestions are always appreciated. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Bought my first guitar (Old dog, new tricks?)
Also the lap [mountain] [Appalachian] dulcimer . . . I can't read standard music notation, but the tabulature works! stan On Dec 21, 2012, at 10:12 PM, D. Glenn Arthur Jr. wrote: Spanish tab is also used for banjo, mandolin, bass guitar, and probably a bunch of other instruments. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
