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Hi all

The last straw has been that my DA* 16-50 has stopped auto-focussing
again. The internal motor was replaced a couple of years ago (so out
of warranty) and now it looks like there's another couple of hundred
quid to be spent on it. And yes, I've cleaned all of the contacts and
yes, my DA* 50-135 works OK on my only remaining K-7 body.

So the decision's nearly made to sell off the K-7, DA* 16-50 (either
repaired or as is), DA* 50-135, a lovely F*300 4.5 (the one with the
tripod mount), an FA-135 2.8 (probably my favourite lens ever) and an
FA-50 1.7. I'll put the proceeds towards a backup Fuji X body and get
the excellent 55 - 200 zoom to cover the long end of the range and to
sit alongside my growing collection of Fuji X primes. I'll keep a
number of MF lenses so may still be able to appear in the PDML
annual...

Any guidance on how to price? Or if anyone's interested in making me
any sensible offers, contact me off list and I'll get more details and
photos arranged and we can sort out logistics.

Yours sadly, Chris

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Re: Yet another LightRoom question (YaLRQ :-) )

2013-08-22 Thread Bob W

Create a collection and put in it all those you've initially selected. 

Award each photo one star. 

Put a filter on the collection so that it shows just those photos which have 
one star. 

As you review each picture either remove the star, or give it another star. 

When you've completed the first round, change the filter to 2 stars. 

Repeat until you have the right number of photos, or run out of stars.

B

On 22 Aug 2013, at 06:03, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:

 Galia's approaching the age of 12 also known as bat mitzvah. I have order of 
 10k pictures of her that I have to look at and choose those that we will 
 print in her celebrational album.
 
 Now, I have my filter that readily produces me these 10k photos to look at. 
 But is there a way in which I can put a bookmark of some sort so as to mark a 
 photo at which I stopped last time? Of course I can use color flags or other 
 things. But I need it so that I can easily return to it without spoiling the 
 set of photos that is being shown to me via the filter.
 
 The LR in question is 4.4.
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
 Boris
 
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Re: Giving up on Pentax (probably)

Chris, while you're having to go through this, there is a thread on
Pentax Forums (I cannot recall it off the top of my head, but it can
be found) that explains how you could change firmware of your DA*
16-50 to focus by the screwdriver. This change is fully undoable so
that what you have to part with this lens, you can revert it to its
original state.

HTH.

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Chris Mitchell
chris.mitch...@which.net wrote:
 Hi all

 The last straw has been that my DA* 16-50 has stopped auto-focussing
 again. The internal motor was replaced a couple of years ago (so out
 of warranty) and now it looks like there's another couple of hundred
 quid to be spent on it. And yes, I've cleaned all of the contacts and
 yes, my DA* 50-135 works OK on my only remaining K-7 body.

 So the decision's nearly made to sell off the K-7, DA* 16-50 (either
 repaired or as is), DA* 50-135, a lovely F*300 4.5 (the one with the
 tripod mount), an FA-135 2.8 (probably my favourite lens ever) and an
 FA-50 1.7. I'll put the proceeds towards a backup Fuji X body and get
 the excellent 55 - 200 zoom to cover the long end of the range and to
 sit alongside my growing collection of Fuji X primes. I'll keep a
 number of MF lenses so may still be able to appear in the PDML
 annual...

 Any guidance on how to price? Or if anyone's interested in making me
 any sensible offers, contact me off list and I'll get more details and
 photos arranged and we can sort out logistics.

 Yours sadly, Chris

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Re: Yet another LightRoom question (YaLRQ :-) )

Great idea, Bob! Thanks!

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 Create a collection and put in it all those you've initially selected.

 Award each photo one star.

 Put a filter on the collection so that it shows just those photos which have 
 one star.

 As you review each picture either remove the star, or give it another star.

 When you've completed the first round, change the filter to 2 stars.

 Repeat until you have the right number of photos, or run out of stars.

 B

 On 22 Aug 2013, at 06:03, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:

 Galia's approaching the age of 12 also known as bat mitzvah. I have order of 
 10k pictures of her that I have to look at and choose those that we will 
 print in her celebrational album.

 Now, I have my filter that readily produces me these 10k photos to look at. 
 But is there a way in which I can put a bookmark of some sort so as to mark 
 a photo at which I stopped last time? Of course I can use color flags or 
 other things. But I need it so that I can easily return to it without 
 spoiling the set of photos that is being shown to me via the filter.

 The LR in question is 4.4.

 Thanks in advance.

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Re: Giving up on Pentax (probably)

Well, it was easier than I thought.

Here is the link:

http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/208353-how-deactivate-sdm-silent-autofocus-allow-screw-drive-autofocus-da-16-50mm-f-2-8-a.html

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Chris Mitchell
chris.mitch...@which.net wrote:
Hi all

The last straw has been that my DA* 16-50 has stopped auto-focussing
again. The internal motor was replaced a couple of years ago (so out
of warranty) and now it looks like there's another couple of hundred
quid to be spent on it. And yes, I've cleaned all of the contacts and
yes, my DA* 50-135 works OK on my only remaining K-7 body.

So the decision's nearly made to sell off the K-7, DA* 16-50 (either
repaired or as is), DA* 50-135, a lovely F*300 4.5 (the one with the
tripod mount), an FA-135 2.8 (probably my favourite lens ever) and an
FA-50 1.7. I'll put the proceeds towards a backup Fuji X body and get
the excellent 55 - 200 zoom to cover the long end of the range and to
sit alongside my growing collection of Fuji X primes. I'll keep a
number of MF lenses so may still be able to appear in the PDML
annual...

Any guidance on how to price? Or if anyone's interested in making me
any sensible offers, contact me off list and I'll get more details and
photos arranged and we can sort out logistics.

Yours sadly, Chris

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Re: Giving up on Pentax (probably)

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 07:49:54AM +0100, Chris Mitchell wrote:
 Hi all
 
 The last straw has been that my DA* 16-50 has stopped auto-focussing
 again. The internal motor was replaced a couple of years ago (so out
 of warranty) and now it looks like there's another couple of hundred
 quid to be spent on it. And yes, I've cleaned all of the contacts and
 yes, my DA* 50-135 works OK on my only remaining K-7 body.

Well that, as the French say, sucques.

 Any guidance on how to price? Or if anyone's interested in making me
 any sensible offers, contact me off list and I'll get more details and
 photos arranged and we can sort out logistics.

I can certainly understand your feelings.  Frankly, I'd counsel waiting
until the next round of product announcements before doing anything that
involves transactions of large amounts of cash.  However, if you're dead
set on selling that stuff, I'm mighty curious about that FA 135.


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PESO Oops

I wasn't planning on taking any photos tonight.

I was sitting at my computer, and heard a familiar squeel-thump! Though it was 
more of a clang than a thump. I grabbed my cell phone and camera and walked up 
to the twin bridges. As I walked up I called 911 when I saw a car facing 
southbound in the northbound lane, with a wheel sitting some distance away. 
There were several people standing around. None of them were the drivers of the 
cars, though one rather inebriated fellow had been a passenger. 
The drivers, one definitely drunk the other likely high on something else, both 
hightailed it off on foot, in opposite directions.

I think this one, while not the sharpest, best captures the moment:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/9566589543/

For fans of bent sheet metal, the rest of the set:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157635184466984/

Having lived here a big chunk of the past 40 years, several of them before
I got my drivers license, I've seen a lot of wrecks in front of my house,
for values of in front  250m.  I learned several things before I even
got my drivers license:

1) Almost all of the wrecks were caused by drunks, with teenagers 
driving beyond their abilities coming in a distant second.

2) People who wore their seat belts did not get hurt.

3) People who didn't wear their seat belt got hurt.

And as a bonus, for them that really enjoy pictures of wrecks, crashes 
and other destruction:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/collections/72157608363486923/

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Re: GESO: Spring Flowers

2013-08-22 Thread David Mann

Thanks for looking  commenting, Dan.  It took me a few moments to get the 
framing right as I had some issues with the background.  It is a nice flower, I 
don't think I've seen one with such strong stripes before.  We should have some 
more coming out soon.  I had to replant one a week or two ago as a blackbird 
had gardened its bulb into a gravel path then covered it with leaf litter, 
and it happily started to sprout there.

Cheers,
Dave

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 Striped Crocus is  beautiful flower and a stunning image.
 
 Dan Matyola
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 On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 11:10 PM, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote:
 The first four are new; the rest I showed a couple of weeks ago.
 
 http://gallery.multi.net.nz/gallery/43/#geso
 
 Cheers,
 Dave
 
 
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Re: Giving up on Pentax (probably)


 I can certainly understand your feelings.  Frankly, I'd counsel waiting
 until the next round of product announcements before doing anything that
 involves transactions of large amounts of cash.

Good point - I guess that the F* and FA lenses would become more
desirable should a FF body come into existence. But how long do I
wait?

 However, if you're dead
 set on selling that stuff, I'm mighty curious about that FA 135.

I'll bear you in mind.

Chris

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Re: Yet another LightRoom question (YaLRQ :-) )

2013-08-22 Thread Stan Halpin

Alternative solution:

When you end a session, then Select all those you've looked at. Keyword as 
Reviewed. Every time you resume, use the same filter and ordering to pull your 
10k photos, then filter that set on the Keyword Reviewed. The last picture in 
the new set will be the last picture you looked at in your previous session. 
Select it, return to the previous broader filters, and proceed to screen until 
your eyes cross from fatigue.

stan

On Aug 22, 2013, at 2:52 AM, Bob W wrote:

 Create a collection and put in it all those you've initially selected. 
 
 Award each photo one star. 
 
 Put a filter on the collection so that it shows just those photos which have 
 one star. 
 
 As you review each picture either remove the star, or give it another star. 
 
 When you've completed the first round, change the filter to 2 stars. 
 
 Repeat until you have the right number of photos, or run out of stars.
 
 B
 
 On 22 Aug 2013, at 06:03, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Galia's approaching the age of 12 also known as bat mitzvah. I have order of 
 10k pictures of her that I have to look at and choose those that we will 
 print in her celebrational album.
 
 Now, I have my filter that readily produces me these 10k photos to look at. 
 But is there a way in which I can put a bookmark of some sort so as to mark 
 a photo at which I stopped last time? Of course I can use color flags or 
 other things. But I need it so that I can easily return to it without 
 spoiling the set of photos that is being shown to me via the filter.
 
 The LR in question is 4.4.
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
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Re: Giving up on Pentax (probably)

2013-08-22 Thread SV Hovland

I have tested this on my own K-7 and DA*16-50. I wanted to find out if this is
a good solution for me and I did the test before the warranty went out. I found
it to be perfectly good. It focuses just as fast as SDM, but with more noise of
course. So I decided to not send my lens in and complain about slow SDM after
all. I could wait to complete break down and continue with the old focusing
instead.

Regards
Stig Vidar Hovland

Fra: PDML [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] p#229; vegne av Boris Liberman
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Well, it was easier than I thought.

Here is the link:

http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/208353-how-deactivate-sdm-silent-autofocus-allow-screw-drive-autofocus-da-16-50mm-f-2-8-a.html

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Chris Mitchell
chris.mitch...@which.net wrote:
Hi all

Any guidance on how to price? Or if anyone's interested in making me
any sensible offers, contact me off list and I'll get more details and
photos arranged and we can sort out logistics.

Yours sadly, Chris

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Re: PESO - The Portal

A very intriguing shot, with great light. Film noir-ish. I like it
very much, Marco.

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Re: PESO - The Portal

Interesting shot, Marco. I'd get rid of the stuff in the lower right that 
extend out into the light panel, but leave the soft rectangle on the left.

Jack
 
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Re: GESO - Chicago Scenes

2013-08-22 Thread Mark C


Thanks, Frank! And thanks to everyone else who took a look.

Mark

On 8/20/2013 11:07 PM, knarf wrote:

A stunning gallery, Mark!

Not much else to say. Just beautiful.

Cheers,
frank

Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote:

Thanks, Paul! Chicago is fertile ground for photography.

Mark

On 8/19/2013 8:16 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Love these great pics of my hometown.

Paul via phone

On Aug 19, 2013, at 8:10 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote:


My wife and I spent a few days in Chicago earlier this month. I've

been in a film mood this summer and stuck to Tri-X and Arista Primium
400 (similar to Tri-X).

Best snaps of the trip -

http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/chicago-scenes

Mz-S, FA 20-35, FA 28-105 (power zoom model) and FA 80-320. The

small bag still had zoom for the Q and 4 of it's lenses as well! Though
they were little used. Film exposed at box speed (400) or pushed 2
stops to 1600.

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Re: PESO - The Portal

I also like it, Marco.  Quite mysterious.

If you take Jack's advice about removing obstruction extending into
the light panel, I would leave the handle.
That makes it a door, and a door that can be opened,l opening up to
additional levels of meaning or interpretation.


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Re: PESO - Park Closed

Glad you liked them, Alan. I can walk around London happily for hours.

Rick

http://photo.net/photos/RickW

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I enjoyed your walkabout images - they bring back fond memories of trips to 
London. Obviously still a safe place. In SA you need your head read if you 
attempt evening window shopping, especially with the temptation of an 
expensive camera around your neck.

Alan

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Subject: PESO - Park Closed

Probably the last of the London pix; taken at the end of my nocturnal 
stroll:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17500459size=lg

Comments always appreciated.

Cheers,

Rick

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Re: PESO - The Portal

A little bit creepy. Nice lighting, color, composition. I like it.

Rick
 
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Re: PESO Oops

Well done, Larry.  Very good for on the spot reportage photography,
and great documentation.  The insurance companies should purchase
these images.

I also like you portfolio of crash images.  Quite an interesting collection.

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On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
 I wasn't planning on taking any photos tonight.

 I was sitting at my computer, and heard a familiar squeel-thump! Though it 
 was more of a clang than a thump. I grabbed my cell phone and camera and 
 walked up to the twin bridges. As I walked up I called 911 when I saw a car 
 facing southbound in the northbound lane, with a wheel sitting some distance 
 away. There were several people standing around. None of them were the 
 drivers of the cars, though one rather inebriated fellow had been a passenger.
 The drivers, one definitely drunk the other likely high on something else, 
 both hightailed it off on foot, in opposite directions.

 I think this one, while not the sharpest, best captures the moment:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/9566589543/

 For fans of bent sheet metal, the rest of the set:
 http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157635184466984/

 Having lived here a big chunk of the past 40 years, several of them before
 I got my drivers license, I've seen a lot of wrecks in front of my house,
 for values of in front  250m.  I learned several things before I even
 got my drivers license:

 1) Almost all of the wrecks were caused by drunks, with teenagers
 driving beyond their abilities coming in a distant second.

 2) People who wore their seat belts did not get hurt.

 3) People who didn't wear their seat belt got hurt.

 And as a bonus, for them that really enjoy pictures of wrecks, crashes
 and other destruction:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/collections/72157608363486923/

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Re: Giving up on Pentax (probably)

2013-08-22 Thread Zos Xavius

Does the tokina variations of these lenses have SDM like the 50-135?
If it were me I would just use the screw drive. SDM sucks anyways. I'd
be thankful pentax put in a screw drive for backwards compatibility, I
imagine they will get away from SDM entirely with new lenses.

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 7:42 AM, SV Hovland pdml...@heime.org wrote:
I have tested this on my own K-7 and DA*16-50. I wanted to find out if this
is a good solution for me and I did the test before the warranty went out. I
found it to be perfectly good. It focuses just as fast as SDM, but with more
noise of course. So I decided to not send my lens in and complain about slow
SDM after all. I could wait to complete break down and continue with the
old focusing instead.

Regards
Stig Vidar Hovland

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Well, it was easier than I thought.

Here is the link:

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Re: Giving up on Pentax (probably)

Zos, Tokina does not produce these lenses in Pentax K-mount.

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:
Does the tokina variations of these lenses have SDM like the 50-135?
If it were me I would just use the screw drive. SDM sucks anyways. I'd
be thankful pentax put in a screw drive for backwards compatibility, I
imagine they will get away from SDM entirely with new lenses.

Regards
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Well, it was easier than I thought.

Here is the link:

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Re: Giving up on Pentax (probably)

2013-08-22 Thread Zos Xavius

I realize that, I meant in the canikon versions they produce. Is there
SDM there or is that a Pentax only deal?

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
Zos, Tokina does not produce these lenses in Pentax K-mount.

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 7:42 AM, SV Hovland pdml...@heime.org wrote:
I have tested this on my own K-7 and DA*16-50. I wanted to find out if this
is a good solution for me and I did the test before the warranty went out.
I found it to be perfectly good. It focuses just as fast as SDM, but with
more noise of course. So I decided to not send my lens in and complain
about slow SDM after all. I could wait to complete break down and continue
with the old focusing instead.

Regards
Stig Vidar Hovland

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Well, it was easier than I thought.

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On Aug 22, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:

Pentax will not abandon SDM.. In lens focusing motors have become the industry
standard. SDM is faster, more accurate and much quieter than screw drive.
Pentax's initial attempt wasn't a perfect one. The motor could have been
better. But I'm a heavy user who can't always take as good care of my equipment
as I might wish, and I've had only one SDM motor failure on my three DA* lenses
after at least 70,000 frames.

Paul

Regards
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Re: Giving up on Pentax (probably)

I'm with you, Paul, on this one. Pentax did not do as noble by not
admitting the problem, but it stands to reason that the technology was
being improved following consumer reports. I cannot tell from first
hand experience, but I wouldn't be surprised if nowadays all these
issues are hammered out and Pentax is merely suffering from bad
reputation that SDM technology managed to acquire.

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:

On Aug 22, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:

Pentax will not abandon SDM.. In lens focusing motors have become the
industry standard. SDM is faster, more accurate and much quieter than screw
drive. Pentax's initial attempt wasn't a perfect one. The motor could have
been better. But I'm a heavy user who can't always take as good care of my
equipment as I might wish, and I've had only one SDM motor failure on my
three DA* lenses after at least 70,000 frames.

Paul

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 7:42 AM, SV Hovland pdml...@heime.org wrote:
I have tested this on my own K-7 and DA*16-50. I wanted to find out if this
is a good solution for me and I did the test before the warranty went out.
I found it to be perfectly good. It focuses just as fast as SDM, but with
more noise of course. So I decided to not send my lens in and complain
about slow SDM after all. I could wait to complete break down and continue
with the old focusing instead.

Regards
Stig Vidar Hovland

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Well, it was easier than I thought.

Here is the link:

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Re: Giving up on Pentax (probably)

I expect to spend a certain amount on maintenance of my equipment. I don't know
any pro shooters who don't -- whether they shoot Canon, Nikon or something
else. I think my equipment expenses have been reasonable, with the possible
exception of flash unit failures. But I think flashes in general are more
failure prone.

Paul
On Aug 22, 2013, at 9:48 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
wrote:

On Aug 22, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:

Pentax will not abandon SDM.. In lens focusing motors have become the
industry standard. SDM is faster, more accurate and much quieter than screw
drive. Pentax's initial attempt wasn't a perfect one. The motor could have
been better. But I'm a heavy user who can't always take as good care of my
equipment as I might wish, and I've had only one SDM motor failure on my
three DA* lenses after at least 70,000 frames.

Paul

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 7:42 AM, SV Hovland pdml...@heime.org wrote:
I have tested this on my own K-7 and DA*16-50. I wanted to find out if
this is a good solution for me and I did the test before the warranty went
out. I found it to be perfectly good. It focuses just as fast as SDM, but
with more noise of course. So I decided to not send my lens in and
complain about slow SDM after all. I could wait to complete break down and
continue with the old focusing instead.

Regards
Stig Vidar Hovland

Fra: PDML [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] p#229; vegne av Boris Liberman
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Well, it was easier than I thought.

Here is the link:

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Re: PESO Oops

I like that first shot. The haze, silhouetting light, a bit of motion
blur, the composition; all good!

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
 I wasn't planning on taking any photos tonight.

 I was sitting at my computer, and heard a familiar squeel-thump! Though it 
 was more of a clang than a thump. I grabbed my cell phone and camera and 
 walked up to the twin bridges. As I walked up I called 911 when I saw a car 
 facing southbound in the northbound lane, with a wheel sitting some distance 
 away. There were several people standing around. None of them were the 
 drivers of the cars, though one rather inebriated fellow had been a passenger.
 The drivers, one definitely drunk the other likely high on something else, 
 both hightailed it off on foot, in opposite directions.

 I think this one, while not the sharpest, best captures the moment:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/9566589543/

 For fans of bent sheet metal, the rest of the set:
 http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157635184466984/

 Having lived here a big chunk of the past 40 years, several of them before
 I got my drivers license, I've seen a lot of wrecks in front of my house,
 for values of in front  250m.  I learned several things before I even
 got my drivers license:

 1) Almost all of the wrecks were caused by drunks, with teenagers
 driving beyond their abilities coming in a distant second.

 2) People who wore their seat belts did not get hurt.

 3) People who didn't wear their seat belt got hurt.

 And as a bonus, for them that really enjoy pictures of wrecks, crashes
 and other destruction:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/collections/72157608363486923/

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Re: Giving up on Pentax (probably)

Sadly this doesn't leave us advanced amateurs in a happy place. I
don't shoot as much as a fulltime pro, I don't have the cashflow of a
pro either, but unfortunately I have a pro's taste in gear. I have few
lenses, but what I've selected is Pentax' fastest current glass and
those are mostly SDM (except for a Ltd macro).

So I don't always have the dough to fix blown SDM motors. I'm just
waiting for the right moment (and mindset) to get my twice-kaput
50-135/2.8 repaired again. (Meanwhile my MF skillz are improving.)

However, I've done my homework and I know I'll not do better
elsewhere, so I've made no plans to do a wholesale brand switch.
Pentax, for all its faults, is still at the intersection of
performance, function and budget for me.

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
I expect to spend a certain amount on maintenance of my equipment. I don't
know any pro shooters who don't -- whether they shoot Canon, Nikon or
something else. I think my equipment expenses have been reasonable, with the
possible exception of flash unit failures. But I think flashes in general are
more failure prone.

Paul
On Aug 22, 2013, at 9:48 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
wrote:

On Aug 22, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:

Pentax will not abandon SDM.. In lens focusing motors have become the
industry standard. SDM is faster, more accurate and much quieter than screw
drive. Pentax's initial attempt wasn't a perfect one. The motor could have
been better. But I'm a heavy user who can't always take as good care of my
equipment as I might wish, and I've had only one SDM motor failure on my
three DA* lenses after at least 70,000 frames.

Paul

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 7:42 AM, SV Hovland pdml...@heime.org wrote:
I have tested this on my own K-7 and DA*16-50. I wanted to find out if
this is a good solution for me and I did the test before the warranty
went out. I found it to be perfectly good. It focuses just as fast as
SDM, but with more noise of course. So I decided to not send my lens in
and complain about slow SDM after all. I could wait to complete break
down and continue with the old focusing instead.

Regards
Stig Vidar Hovland

Fra: PDML [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] p#229; vegne av Boris Liberman
[bori...@gmail.com]
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Emne: Re: Giving up on Pentax (probably)

Well, it was easier than I thought.

Here is the link:

http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/208353-how-deactivate-sdm-silent-autofocus-allow-screw-drive-autofocus-da-16-50mm-f-2-8-a.html

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chris.mitch...@which.net wrote:
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Re: PESO Oops

The first one and 10790 really stand out.

Hope no one was hurt too badly.

Cheers,
frank

Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
I wasn't planning on taking any photos tonight.

I was sitting at my computer, and heard a familiar squeel-thump! Though
it was more of a clang than a thump. I grabbed my cell phone and camera
and walked up to the twin bridges. As I walked up I called 911 when I
saw a car facing southbound in the northbound lane, with a wheel
sitting some distance away. There were several people standing around.
None of them were the drivers of the cars, though one rather inebriated
fellow had been a passenger. 
The drivers, one definitely drunk the other likely high on something
else, both hightailed it off on foot, in opposite directions.

I think this one, while not the sharpest, best captures the moment:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/9566589543/

For fans of bent sheet metal, the rest of the set:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157635184466984/

Having lived here a big chunk of the past 40 years, several of them
before
I got my drivers license, I've seen a lot of wrecks in front of my
house,
for values of in front  250m.  I learned several things before I
even
got my drivers license:

1) Almost all of the wrecks were caused by drunks, with teenagers 
driving beyond their abilities coming in a distant second.

2) People who wore their seat belts did not get hurt.

3) People who didn't wear their seat belt got hurt.

And as a bonus, for them that really enjoy pictures of wrecks, crashes 
and other destruction:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/collections/72157608363486923/

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Re: PESO Oops

Good stuff of bad stuff. 

Godfrey


On Aug 22, 2013, at 1:42 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:

 I wasn't planning on taking any photos tonight.
 
 I was sitting at my computer, and heard a familiar squeel-thump! Though it 
 was more of a clang than a thump. I grabbed my cell phone and camera and 
 walked up to the twin bridges. As I walked up I called 911 when I saw a car 
 facing southbound in the northbound lane, with a wheel sitting some distance 
 away. There were several people standing around. None of them were the 
 drivers of the cars, though one rather inebriated fellow had been a 
 passenger. 
 The drivers, one definitely drunk the other likely high on something else, 
 both hightailed it off on foot, in opposite directions.
 
 I think this one, while not the sharpest, best captures the moment:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/9566589543/
 
 For fans of bent sheet metal, the rest of the set:
 http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157635184466984/
 
 Having lived here a big chunk of the past 40 years, several of them before
 I got my drivers license, I've seen a lot of wrecks in front of my house,
 for values of in front  250m.  I learned several things before I even
 got my drivers license:
 
 1) Almost all of the wrecks were caused by drunks, with teenagers 
 driving beyond their abilities coming in a distant second.
 
 2) People who wore their seat belts did not get hurt.
 
 3) People who didn't wear their seat belt got hurt.
 
 And as a bonus, for them that really enjoy pictures of wrecks, crashes 
 and other destruction:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/collections/72157608363486923/
 
 -- 
 Larry Colen  l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc
 
 
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Re: PESO - The Portal

Wow!

Great photo!

Cheers,
frank

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Re: Giving up on Pentax (probably)

2013-08-22 Thread P.J. Alling

Pentax getting away from SDM seems unlikely. It's their premium
focusing system, and the newer motors, (lord only knows if the second
replacement SDM motor that failed in this case had been on the shelf),
seem to be a bit more reliable. Every manufacture is moving to a solid
state electronic only interface between their lenses and camera bodies.
I personally don't think this is a particularly good idea, nor do I
think it's likely to be the most cost effective for long term users, but
like front wheel drive in cars there are certain efficiencies in
manufacture, even if it complicates repair, and conventional wisdom
believes it's better, so that's what will happen.

On 8/22/2013 9:06 AM, Zos Xavius wrote:

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 7:42 AM, SV Hovland pdml...@heime.org wrote:

I have tested this on my own K-7 and DA*16-50. I wanted to find out if this is a good
solution for me and I did the test before the warranty went out. I found it to be
perfectly good. It focuses just as fast as SDM, but with more noise of course. So I
decided to not send my lens in and complain about slow SDM after all. I could wait to
complete break down and continue with the old focusing instead.

Regards
Stig Vidar Hovland

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Well, it was easier than I thought.

Here is the link:

http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/208353-how-deactivate-sdm-silent-autofocus-allow-screw-drive-autofocus-da-16-50mm-f-2-8-a.html

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Chris Mitchell
chris.mitch...@which.net wrote:

Hi all

Any guidance on how to price? Or if anyone's interested in making me
any sensible offers, contact me off list and I'll get more details and
photos arranged and we can sort out logistics.

Yours sadly, Chris

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Re: Giving up on Pentax (probably)

I'm not a full-time pro either. I'm a full-time writer, primarily a journalist,
and that affords me a lot of opportunity for professional photography, so my
equipment expenses are business expenses and well covered by photography
revenue. But there were times when I worked as an advertising writer when I was
strictly a hobbyist. I still had photography maintenance expenses, but I always
counted them as part of the cost of the hobby. LIke you, I sometimes delayed
repairs until cash flow was right. Spending money isn't fun, but it goes with
the territory. Photography is an expensive hobby.

Paul
On Aug 22, 2013, at 10:28 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

So I don't always have the dough to fix blown SDM motors. I'm just
waiting for the right moment (and mindset) to get my twice-kaput
50-135/2.8 repaired again. (Meanwhile my MF skillz are improving.)

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
wrote:
I expect to spend a certain amount on maintenance of my equipment. I don't
know any pro shooters who don't -- whether they shoot Canon, Nikon or
something else. I think my equipment expenses have been reasonable, with the
possible exception of flash unit failures. But I think flashes in general
are more failure prone.

Paul
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On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
wrote:

On Aug 22, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:

Pentax will not abandon SDM.. In lens focusing motors have become the
industry standard. SDM is faster, more accurate and much quieter than
screw drive. Pentax's initial attempt wasn't a perfect one. The motor
could have been better. But I'm a heavy user who can't always take as good
care of my equipment as I might wish, and I've had only one SDM motor
failure on my three DA* lenses after at least 70,000 frames.

Paul

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 7:42 AM, SV Hovland pdml...@heime.org wrote:
I have tested this on my own K-7 and DA*16-50. I wanted to find out if
this is a good solution for me and I did the test before the warranty
went out. I found it to be perfectly good. It focuses just as fast as
SDM, but with more noise of course. So I decided to not send my lens in
and complain about slow SDM after all. I could wait to complete break
down and continue with the old focusing instead.

Regards
Stig Vidar Hovland

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Well, it was easier than I thought.

Here is the link:

http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/208353-how-deactivate-sdm-silent-autofocus-allow-screw-drive-autofocus-da-16-50mm-f-2-8-a.html

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Chris Mitchell
chris.mitch...@which.net wrote:
Hi all

Re: PESO - The Portal

That would, also, work, but I'd leave the mystery by allowing for a possible 
exterior door knob being hidden in the shadows.

Jack

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I also like it, Marco.  Quite mysterious.

If you take Jack's advice about removing obstruction extending into
the light panel, I would leave the handle.
That makes it a door, and a door that can be opened,l opening up to
additional levels of meaning or interpretation.


Dan Matyola
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Re: Pentax HippoCam: 72MP Medium Format Panorama Camera

Short update for those interested:
The 55mm 6x7 lens I purchased arrived today and I am returning it to
the seller. It has two significant areas of damage to the front lens
element, which are too much for me. Cosmetic barrel/lens body wear I
can live with. In any event, this is not a big setback since the
adapter is not yet ready to shoot, but I am hoping to make some
significant progress on building it this weekend. I've also been doing
a bit more research and am now leaning toward purchasing the 45mm f4
6x7 lens instead of the 55mm. This will allow me to more closely
mirror the field of view of the Fuji GX-617 with its 90mm Super-Wide
large format (5x7) lens. By all accounts it is a wonderful lens and
rated even more highly than the well-regarded 55mm.

I believe I will hold off any lens purchase, however, until I have the
adapter built and have tested it with a 6x7 lens that I already own.
If the concept works, then I'll pull the trigger on the lens that I
have decided upon.

On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks for the comments. My next blog posts will be regarding some of
 my musings with putting this camera into use:

 I think it helps to think of this project as being more of a view
 camera, than a solid-bodied camera. From a design standpoint, the most
 important thing is that I be able to achieve infinity focus. In
 practice, I may be using the hyperfocal distance with most of my
 landscapes (the primary thing I expect to use this camera for).
 Theoretically, one would hope that one could focus once then not touch
 the focusing again as one slides the camera across for all 6 or 7
 exposures. In practice however, it might be necessary to fine focus
 between each segment's exposure. Whether live view will be sufficient,
 or I will need to pop the Olympus Varimagni on the finder for focusing
 assistance, remains to be seen. Regarding exposure, Fotodiox says to
 expose each segment letting the camera control the exposure.  I'm not
 sure if that will be good advice or not. Normally one is counselled to
 lock the exposure across segments of a panorama or exposure
 differences will occur. So that is one area where I expect a little
 experimentation to be my final guide.

 Regardless of the exposure method used, I plan to normally make a
 series of bracketed exposures for each segment. The main pain is in
 setting up the shot and the focus, so why not do some auto-bracketing
 while I'm at each position? In addition to making sure I get the best
 single exposure, the others could be used to create HDR panoramas if
 the dynamic range of the scene exceeds that of the camera (and I mean
 HDR in the most photo-realistic way possible. I normally HATE the
 dialed to 11 stuff that passes for HDR these days). I also think
 that this could help in the sharpness department since, in addition to
 a lot of total pixels you will have LAYERS of a lot of pixels for any
 sharpening algorithm to work with.

 I'm not an engineer, but I work with one who is a good friend at work
 and generous with his advice. I've been mentally going through the
 build process of this thing in my mind. I've made a decision regarding
 the sliding tracks that the back plate will move on. You want the back
 plane to slide smoothly across the entire length of the movement
 (Goldilocks style: not too tight and not too loose). If  I bolt both
 tracks on, the odds of getting that perfect placement are almost nil
 (due to manufacturing errors). So I have decided to bolt the bottom
 track on the backside of the front plate, but the top track will be
 fine-adjustable and held on by an external clip which can be loosened
 for adjustment and then tightened again to hold that adjustment. Once
 correctly adjusted, this should not have to be messed with very often,
 unless travel jostling or something knocks it out of alignment.

 I hope to be going to Colorado at least once in the coming month, and
 I'd love to have the HippoCam ready to take with me and put it to
 work. I might make a solo trip out when the Aspens turn golden and
 another one with my wife during her semester Fall Break.

 On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 1:52 AM, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote:
 On 20/08/2013, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 For those interested, I started a blog to post my progress:
 http://pixelsmithysforge.blogspot.com/

 For those who wish to start at the beginning, here's the first post:
 http://pixelsmithysforge.blogspot.com/2013/08/a-few-random-thoughts-about-fotodiox.html

 I, too, had the dribbles for one of the 6x17 machines but never could
 justify the considerable cost.  I'll be watching your prograss with
 interest.

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Re: PESO: This is not a waiter

2013-08-22 Thread Don Guthrie

One of my favorites from this series.

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Re: reviews on the wirecutter.com

2013-08-22 Thread Aahz Maruch

On Wed, Aug 21, 2013, Bruce Walker wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:
 On Sat, Aug 17, 2013, Bruce Walker wrote:

 When I'm shooting subjects at f8 with the 50-135 I can always
 center-focus and reframe with no ill effects. I do not do that at f2.2
 with the DA*55 shooting close-in (head and shoulders). Guaranteed
 fail. I move the focus point and carefully focus on subject's eye.

 Many thanks to both you and Matthew!  I really hadn't understood about
 the flat-plane focus, and I appreciate the mini-lesson.  I should do
 some experiments to get more of an intuitive understanding of what's
 going on.

 For the above, do you only do that with a tripod, or do you also do it
 with handheld shooting?
 
 Mainly handheld actually. Honestly I don't do that much tripod
 shooting. I've been doing it lately when sharpness is going to be an
 issue like when I shot some jewelry being worn. But when shooting
 people, especially models, I like to be able to move about and keep
 the energy level up. The trick is to trip the shutter absolutely as
 soon as you acquire focus lock.

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Giving up on Pentax (probably)

2013-08-22 Thread Bipin Gupta

Hi Bruce, you have had (2) SDM failures on the same lens, but you
mention this like a Khasi. In my part of the world a Khas is a goat
that has been neutered. Sorry for saying that, but I thought you
should be more vociferous and demand that Ricoh - Pentax repair it
on FOC basis.
I would have gone to the Consumer Court.
Regards.
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Re: Giving up on Pentax (probably)

2013-08-22 Thread Zos Xavius

I'm pretty sure they are moving to the DC motors that their newer
lenses seem to use. Also, they claim to have finally fixed SDM
permanently, so sending the lens in should finally be a good fix. I
never minded the screw drive, but it does make a lot of noise.

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 8:03 PM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
Pentax getting away from SDM seems unlikely. It's their premium focusing
system, and the newer motors, (lord only knows if the second replacement SDM
motor that failed in this case had been on the shelf), seem to be a bit more
reliable. Every manufacture is moving to a solid state electronic only
interface between their lenses and camera bodies. I personally don't think
this is a particularly good idea, nor do I think it's likely to be the most
cost effective for long term users, but like front wheel drive in cars there
are certain efficiencies in manufacture, even if it complicates repair, and
conventional wisdom believes it's better, so that's what will happen.

On 8/22/2013 9:06 AM, Zos Xavius wrote:

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 7:42 AM, SV Hovland pdml...@heime.org wrote:

I have tested this on my own K-7 and DA*16-50. I wanted to find out if
this is a good solution for me and I did the test before the warranty went
out. I found it to be perfectly good. It focuses just as fast as SDM, but
with more noise of course. So I decided to not send my lens in and complain
about slow SDM after all. I could wait to complete break down and continue
with the old focusing instead.

Regards
Stig Vidar Hovland

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Well, it was easier than I thought.

Here is the link:

http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/208353-how-deactivate-sdm-silent-autofocus-allow-screw-drive-autofocus-da-16-50mm-f-2-8-a.html

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Chris Mitchell
chris.mitch...@which.net wrote:

Hi all

Any guidance on how to price? Or if anyone's interested in making me
any sensible offers, contact me off list and I'll get more details and
photos arranged and we can sort out logistics.

Yours sadly, Chris

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Re: PESO: This is not a waiter


On 8/21/2013 5:45 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 21/8/13, Daniel J. Matyola, discombobulated, unleashed:


http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17504451
Comments are invited.


That's very odd.

Compulsive!



Maybe it's Odds Bodkins?

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Re: PESO: This is not a waiter


I believe the accepted term in *art* is polychrome bronze.

On 8/21/2013 9:49 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Thanks, Cotty and Rick.

The waitress is real, but the waiter behind her is not.  He is not
exactly wooden, however, but painted bronze.  He is located in the
patio of the Peacock Cafe at Grounds for Sculpture.

The waiter is a work based on a figure in the background of Edouard
Manet’s painting Chez le Pere Lathuille:
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chez_le_p%C3%A8re_Lathuille

The waiter is one of a number of works at Grounds for Sculpture based
on famous Impressionistic paintings:
http://untappedcities.com/2013/01/18/grounds-for-sculpture/




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On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote:

Yes, he seems a bit stiff; I imagine his personality has been described as 
wooden.

Though his family probably regards him as a chip off the old block.

Rick

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Re: BW Film Development app


As I remember, it used to be available as a chart; a piece of paper you
could tack up to the wall that looked something like a spreadsheet.

On 8/21/2013 8:34 PM, Stan Halpin wrote:

Mark C's recent Chicago gallery, mostly produced with Tri-X, and his
discussions about the brew he used to develop said film, reminded me
of a comment I have been meaning to make.

For the iOS, and possibly other mobile OS systems? there is an app
called Massive Dev Chart Timer. It looks like a compilation of many
sources of recommendations for what brew to use for how long with
what agitation for whatever type of film. And IIRC a built in timer
to time the agitations and total time. And IIRC a way to change
entries to your own preferred way of doing things. And a way to make
notes on e.g. your experience using HC-110 with Tri-X. If nothing
else, it seems like a good start point for someone just coming to
film development or who has been away for so long that they don't
recall the parameters of a given film/brew combination.

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Re: Another camera illustration: MX with 40mm

2013-08-22 Thread John Celio

Darren Addy Wrote:
 That's very nice work, John. I must have missed the 6x7 illustration.
 I'll have to go back and find it.

Thanks Darren. The 6x7 post made it to the web archive and the digest,
but it was around the time someone else mentioned a lot of emails
weren't getting to them, so I think it may not have made it out to the
rest of the PDML. Anyway, here it is:
http://jacelio.com/special/6x7-08-01.jpg

Steve Harley wrote:
 you seem to be doing a serious design process here - not sure i caught the
 background, but it's definitely intriguing and thoughtful; if you are still
 stuck i will see about doing a shot of a lensless ZX-5n

Thanks Steve. I'm not so sure about the background, either, but I
liked it enough at the time. Or, if you meant the background as to why
I'm doing this, well, it's mostly just for fun. I seem to be in a very
creative state of mind lately, and I've been thinking about doing a
project like this for a while. Thanks for offering to shoot your
ZX-5n, but I've actually got one of those (it's my only remaining 35mm
camera), Unfortunately, it's just different enough from the ZX-30 that
I can't use it. :(

Incidentally, I decided last night to make illustrations of the *istD,
K10D and K-5, too. I sold my *istD ages ago, but I still have the
K10D. I fired it up this morning for the first time in years to take
photos of my K-5. It was like shaking hands with an old friend. :)

John

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Re: Another camera illustration: MX with 40mm

2013-08-22 Thread Matthew Hunt

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 12:24 PM, John Celio
neo.venator.com+p...@gmail.com wrote:

 Incidentally, I decided last night to make illustrations of the *istD,
 K10D and K-5, too. I sold my *istD ages ago, but I still have the
 K10D. I fired it up this morning for the first time in years to take
 photos of my K-5. It was like shaking hands with an old friend. :)

If you have the K10D's automatic dust removal turned on, the handshake
is quite firm.

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Re: PESO - The Portal


I like it just the way it is, although I would like to know if that's a
coffee maker or a CD player sitting on the chest?



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I'd look at KEH  try to undercut their prices just a little.

On 8/22/2013 2:49 AM, Chris Mitchell wrote:

Hi all

The last straw has been that my DA* 16-50 has stopped auto-focussing
again. The internal motor was replaced a couple of years ago (so out
of warranty) and now it looks like there's another couple of hundred
quid to be spent on it. And yes, I've cleaned all of the contacts and
yes, my DA* 50-135 works OK on my only remaining K-7 body.

So the decision's nearly made to sell off the K-7, DA* 16-50 (either
repaired or as is), DA* 50-135, a lovely F*300 4.5 (the one with the
tripod mount), an FA-135 2.8 (probably my favourite lens ever) and an
FA-50 1.7. I'll put the proceeds towards a backup Fuji X body and get
the excellent 55 - 200 zoom to cover the long end of the range and to
sit alongside my growing collection of Fuji X primes. I'll keep a
number of MF lenses so may still be able to appear in the PDML
annual...

Any guidance on how to price? Or if anyone's interested in making me
any sensible offers, contact me off list and I'll get more details and
photos arranged and we can sort out logistics.

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On 8/22/2013 5:58 AM, Chris Mitchell wrote:


I can certainly understand your feelings.  Frankly, I'd counsel waiting
until the next round of product announcements before doing anything that
involves transactions of large amounts of cash.


Good point - I guess that the F* and FA lenses would become more
desirable should a FF body come into existence. But how long do I
wait?



That's a question I've been asking for some time.

I've decided to give them until the end of 2013 to announce and I must
be able to get it IN MY HANDS no later than 30 Jun 2014.

And at that, I still expect it's going to be too little, too late.

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Re: Giving up on Pentax (probably)

I don't think Tokina makes lenses in Pentax mount anymore.

On 8/22/2013 9:06 AM, Zos Xavius wrote:

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 7:42 AM, SV Hovland pdml...@heime.org wrote:

I have tested this on my own K-7 and DA*16-50. I wanted to find out if this is a good
solution for me and I did the test before the warranty went out. I found it to be
perfectly good. It focuses just as fast as SDM, but with more noise of course. So I
decided to not send my lens in and complain about slow SDM after all. I could wait to
complete break down and continue with the old focusing instead.

Regards
Stig Vidar Hovland

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Well, it was easier than I thought.

Here is the link:

http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/208353-how-deactivate-sdm-silent-autofocus-allow-screw-drive-autofocus-da-16-50mm-f-2-8-a.html

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Chris Mitchell
chris.mitch...@which.net wrote:

Hi all

Any guidance on how to price? Or if anyone's interested in making me
any sensible offers, contact me off list and I'll get more details and
photos arranged and we can sort out logistics.

Yours sadly, Chris

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Re: Another camera illustration: MX with 40mm

2013-08-22 Thread steve harley


on 2013-08-22 10:24 John Celio wrote

Or, if you meant the background as to why
I'm doing this, well, it's mostly just for fun. I seem to be in a very
creative state of mind lately, and I've been thinking about doing a
project like this for a while.


yes, that's what i meant, trying to understand your project; i liked the 
background, like an abstracted iris



Thanks for offering to shoot your
ZX-5n, but I've actually got one of those (it's my only remaining 35mm
camera), Unfortunately, it's just different enough from the ZX-30 that
I can't use it. :(


well, if they might be useful i have a ZX-10 and a ZX-50 as well, not sure why; 
i don't know what the stock lenses were but i have an F 28-80 and an F 70-210



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Re: Another camera illustration: MX with 40mm


On 8/22/2013 12:24 PM, John Celio wrote:

Darren Addy Wrote:

That's very nice work, John. I must have missed the 6x7 illustration.
I'll have to go back and find it.


Thanks Darren. The 6x7 post made it to the web archive and the digest,
but it was around the time someone else mentioned a lot of emails
weren't getting to them, so I think it may not have made it out to the
rest of the PDML. Anyway, here it is:
http://jacelio.com/special/6x7-08-01.jpg



That was probably me. I remember seeing the 6x7 post, because it came
sort of near the end of the thread about trying to make a PDML logo
from with the old AOCo pentaprism logo.

Plus all of the missing posts had made it out to PDML, it was just for
some reason random PDML messages coming to my address were being
classified as junk by Yahoo.

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On Aug 22, 2013, at 12:39 PM, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote:

 On 8/22/2013 5:58 AM, Chris Mitchell wrote:
 
 I can certainly understand your feelings.  Frankly, I'd counsel waiting
 until the next round of product announcements before doing anything that
 involves transactions of large amounts of cash.
 
 Good point - I guess that the F* and FA lenses would become more
 desirable should a FF body come into existence. But how long do I
 wait?
 
 
 That's a question I've been asking for some time.
 
 I've decided to give them until the end of 2013 to announce and I must
 be able to get it IN MY HANDS no later than 30 Jun 2014.
 
 And at that, I still expect it's going to be too little, too late.

Why exactly do you need full frame? Just curious.

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Re: Pentax HippoCam: 72MP Medium Format Panorama Camera

2013-08-22 Thread steve harley


on 2013-08-21 10:01 Darren Addy wrote

I think it helps to think of this project as being more of a view
camera, than a solid-bodied camera.


i'm curious what qualities you expect from this that you wouldn't get from a 
careful normal multi-exposure, perhaps with a panoramic head … perspective 
correction?



Fotodiox says to
expose each segment letting the camera control the exposure.  I'm not
sure if that will be good advice or not. Normally one is counselled to
lock the exposure across segments of a panorama or exposure
differences will occur. So that is one area where I expect a little
experimentation to be my final guide.


in my modest experience, varying exposure is almost impossible to correct for 
in a panaoramic set; it doesn't merely shift the luminance values, it seems to 
change the color response a bit too




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Re: Giving up on Pentax (probably)

Uh-oh. Popcorn time! :-)

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:

 On Aug 22, 2013, at 12:39 PM, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote:

 On 8/22/2013 5:58 AM, Chris Mitchell wrote:

 I can certainly understand your feelings.  Frankly, I'd counsel waiting
 until the next round of product announcements before doing anything that
 involves transactions of large amounts of cash.

 Good point - I guess that the F* and FA lenses would become more
 desirable should a FF body come into existence. But how long do I
 wait?


 That's a question I've been asking for some time.

 I've decided to give them until the end of 2013 to announce and I must
 be able to get it IN MY HANDS no later than 30 Jun 2014.

 And at that, I still expect it's going to be too little, too late.

 Why exactly do you need full frame? Just curious.

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Re: PESO - We Are Not Impressed

Lol! Thanks, John, for a good laugh!

And thanks to all who commented. Glad you enjoyed it.

Cheers,
frank

John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote:
http://www.twolumps.net/

On 8/20/2013 11:11 PM, knarf wrote:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2013/08/we-are-not-impressed.html?m=1

 ;-)

 Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.

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Re: PESO - Kitchen Party at Coffee Time

Yes, they're emoting.

;-)

Btw the term kitchen party refers to an East Coast gathering in which 
everyone sits around the kitchen consuming libations whilst singing, dancing, 
playing music and generally carousing and having a good time. 

Here in New Toronto there is a large Newfoundland community of which our 
guitarist is a member. He would have attended many a kitchen party down home, 
I'm sure.

Thanks to all who commented!

Cheers,
frank

John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote:
What is it about them that makes you say that?

On 8/20/2013 11:07 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
 These two don't appear to be having such a good time. ;-)

 Jack


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 The patrons at the a local coffee shop were treated to an impromptu
country and western sing-a-long when this young guy whipped out his
guitar and started playing the classics:


http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2013/08/kitchen-party-at-coffee-time.html?m=1

 A good time was had by all.

 Hope y'all enjoy.  Comments welcome.

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Re: Giving up on Pentax (probably)

2013-08-22 Thread P.J. Alling


I'd expect it will happen sometime this millennium.

On 8/22/2013 5:58 AM, Chris Mitchell wrote:

I can certainly understand your feelings.  Frankly, I'd counsel waiting
until the next round of product announcements before doing anything that
involves transactions of large amounts of cash.

Good point - I guess that the F* and FA lenses would become more
desirable should a FF body come into existence. But how long do I
wait?


However, if you're dead
set on selling that stuff, I'm mighty curious about that FA 135.

I'll bear you in mind.

Chris




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Re: PESO - We Are Not Impressed

2013-08-22 Thread P.J. Alling


nor amused apparently.

On 8/20/2013 11:11 PM, knarf wrote:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2013/08/we-are-not-impressed.html?m=1

;-)

Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.

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Re: PESO: This is not a waiter

I think the plaque said painted bronze, but that may be the same thing,
Dan Matyola
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On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 12:12 PM, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote:
 I believe the accepted term in *art* is polychrome bronze.


 On 8/21/2013 9:49 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

 Thanks, Cotty and Rick.

 The waitress is real, but the waiter behind her is not.  He is not
 exactly wooden, however, but painted bronze.  He is located in the
 patio of the Peacock Cafe at Grounds for Sculpture.

 The waiter is a work based on a figure in the background of Edouard
 Manet’s painting Chez le Pere Lathuille:
 http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chez_le_p%C3%A8re_Lathuille

 The waiter is one of a number of works at Grounds for Sculpture based
 on famous Impressionistic paintings:
 http://untappedcities.com/2013/01/18/grounds-for-sculpture/




 Dan Matyola
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 On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Yes, he seems a bit stiff; I imagine his personality has been described
 as wooden.

 Though his family probably regards him as a chip off the old block.

 Rick

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 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17504451
 Comments are invited.

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Re: PESO Oops


On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 10:40:07AM -0400, knarf wrote:
 The first one and 10790 really stand out.

Thanks.

Also, thanks to Dan, Godfrey and Bruce.

 
 Hope no one was hurt too badly.

Nobody was hurt too badly to leave the scene, on foot.

If you look at my other wreck photos, the woman driving the Jag
left on foot, in heels, and lived in Los Gatos (25 miles away over 
mountain roads).  This was the first time I've ever heard of 
a double hit and run.



 
 Cheers,
 frank
 
 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
 I wasn't planning on taking any photos tonight.
 
 I was sitting at my computer, and heard a familiar squeel-thump! Though
 it was more of a clang than a thump. I grabbed my cell phone and camera
 and walked up to the twin bridges. As I walked up I called 911 when I
 saw a car facing southbound in the northbound lane, with a wheel
 sitting some distance away. There were several people standing around.
 None of them were the drivers of the cars, though one rather inebriated
 fellow had been a passenger. 
 The drivers, one definitely drunk the other likely high on something
 else, both hightailed it off on foot, in opposite directions.
 
 I think this one, while not the sharpest, best captures the moment:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/9566589543/
 
 For fans of bent sheet metal, the rest of the set:
 http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157635184466984/
 
 Having lived here a big chunk of the past 40 years, several of them
 before
 I got my drivers license, I've seen a lot of wrecks in front of my
 house,
 for values of in front  250m.  I learned several things before I
 even
 got my drivers license:
 
 1) Almost all of the wrecks were caused by drunks, with teenagers 
 driving beyond their abilities coming in a distant second.
 
 2) People who wore their seat belts did not get hurt.
 
 3) People who didn't wear their seat belt got hurt.
 
 And as a bonus, for them that really enjoy pictures of wrecks, crashes 
 and other destruction:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/collections/72157608363486923/
 
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Re: Giving up on Pentax (probably)

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:10:34AM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote:
I'm not a full-time pro either. I'm a full-time writer, primarily a
journalist, and that affords me a lot of opportunity for professional
photography, so my equipment expenses are business expenses and well covered
by photography revenue. But there were times when I worked as an advertising
writer when I was strictly a hobbyist. I still had photography maintenance
expenses, but I always counted them as part of the cost of the hobby. LIke
you, I sometimes delayed repairs until cash flow was right. Spending money
isn't fun, but it goes with the territory. Photography is an expensive hobby.

Actually, I disagree. Spending money is usually fun, and almost always
prefaces fun. It's earning the money to spend that tends to be a lot
less fun.

Paul
On Aug 22, 2013, at 10:28 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

So I don't always have the dough to fix blown SDM motors. I'm just
waiting for the right moment (and mindset) to get my twice-kaput
50-135/2.8 repaired again. (Meanwhile my MF skillz are improving.)

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
wrote:
I expect to spend a certain amount on maintenance of my equipment. I don't
know any pro shooters who don't -- whether they shoot Canon, Nikon or
something else. I think my equipment expenses have been reasonable, with
the possible exception of flash unit failures. But I think flashes in
general are more failure prone.

Paul
On Aug 22, 2013, at 9:48 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
wrote:

On Aug 22, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:

Pentax will not abandon SDM.. In lens focusing motors have become the
industry standard. SDM is faster, more accurate and much quieter than
screw drive. Pentax's initial attempt wasn't a perfect one. The motor
could have been better. But I'm a heavy user who can't always take as
good care of my equipment as I might wish, and I've had only one SDM
motor failure on my three DA* lenses after at least 70,000 frames.

Paul

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 7:42 AM, SV Hovland pdml...@heime.org wrote:
I have tested this on my own K-7 and DA*16-50. I wanted to find out if
this is a good solution for me and I did the test before the warranty
went out. I found it to be perfectly good. It focuses just as fast as
SDM, but with more noise of course. So I decided to not send my lens
in and complain about slow SDM after all. I could wait to complete
break down and continue with the old focusing instead.

Regards
Stig Vidar Hovland

Fra: PDML [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] p#229; vegne av Boris Liberman
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Well, it was easier than I thought.

Here is the link:

http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/208353-how-deactivate-sdm-silent-autofocus-allow-screw-drive-autofocus-da-16-50mm-f-2-8-a.html

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Chris Mitchell
chris.mitch...@which.net wrote:
Hi all

So the decision's nearly made to sell off the K-7, DA*

Re: Giving up on Pentax (probably)

On Aug 22, 2013, at 1:47 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:10:34AM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote:
I'm not a full-time pro either. I'm a full-time writer, primarily a
journalist, and that affords me a lot of opportunity for professional
photography, so my equipment expenses are business expenses and well
covered by photography revenue. But there were times when I worked as an
advertising writer when I was strictly a hobbyist. I still had photography
maintenance expenses, but I always counted them as part of the cost of the
hobby. LIke you, I sometimes delayed repairs until cash flow was right.
Spending money isn't fun, but it goes with the territory. Photography is an
expensive hobby.

Actually, I disagree. Spending money is usually fun, and almost always
prefaces fun. It's earning the money to spend that tends to be a lot
less fun.

Very true. Although these days I enjoy my work.

Paul
On Aug 22, 2013, at 10:28 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

So I don't always have the dough to fix blown SDM motors. I'm just
waiting for the right moment (and mindset) to get my twice-kaput
50-135/2.8 repaired again. (Meanwhile my MF skillz are improving.)

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
wrote:
I expect to spend a certain amount on maintenance of my equipment. I don't
know any pro shooters who don't -- whether they shoot Canon, Nikon or
something else. I think my equipment expenses have been reasonable, with
the possible exception of flash unit failures. But I think flashes in
general are more failure prone.

Paul
On Aug 22, 2013, at 9:48 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
wrote:

On Aug 22, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:

Pentax will not abandon SDM.. In lens focusing motors have become the
industry standard. SDM is faster, more accurate and much quieter than
screw drive. Pentax's initial attempt wasn't a perfect one. The motor
could have been better. But I'm a heavy user who can't always take as
good care of my equipment as I might wish, and I've had only one SDM
motor failure on my three DA* lenses after at least 70,000 frames.

Paul

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 7:42 AM, SV Hovland pdml...@heime.org wrote:
I have tested this on my own K-7 and DA*16-50. I wanted to find out if
this is a good solution for me and I did the test before the warranty
went out. I found it to be perfectly good. It focuses just as fast as
SDM, but with more noise of course. So I decided to not send my lens
in and complain about slow SDM after all. I could wait to complete
break down and continue with the old focusing instead.

Regards
Stig Vidar Hovland

Fra: PDML [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] p#229; vegne av Boris Liberman
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Well, it was easier than I thought.

Here is the link:

http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/208353-how-deactivate-sdm-silent-autofocus-allow-screw-drive-autofocus-da-16-50mm-f-2-8-a.html

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Chris Mitchell
chris.mitch...@which.net wrote:
Hi all

So the decision's

Re: Giving up on Pentax (probably)


On Aug 22, 2013, at 1:05 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

 Uh-oh. Popcorn time! :-)

I'm always mystified in regard to the urgency of FF. My camera works great. If 
I were a landscape photographer shooting wall-size murals I might think 
otherwise, but I don't plan on going there.


 
 On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net 
 wrote:
 
 On Aug 22, 2013, at 12:39 PM, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 On 8/22/2013 5:58 AM, Chris Mitchell wrote:
 
 I can certainly understand your feelings.  Frankly, I'd counsel waiting
 until the next round of product announcements before doing anything that
 involves transactions of large amounts of cash.
 
 Good point - I guess that the F* and FA lenses would become more
 desirable should a FF body come into existence. But how long do I
 wait?
 
 
 That's a question I've been asking for some time.
 
 I've decided to give them until the end of 2013 to announce and I must
 be able to get it IN MY HANDS no later than 30 Jun 2014.
 
 And at that, I still expect it's going to be too little, too late.
 
 Why exactly do you need full frame? Just curious.
 
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PESO - Subtlety

2013-08-22 Thread Doug Brewer


https://plus.google.com/115347824062413314605/posts/3SvUDez6XNA

Another photo of Anna.

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Re: PESO - Subtlety

2013-08-22 Thread Bob Sullivan

Great collaboration with the young Anna in these photos Doug!

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Re: Giving up on Pentax (probably)

Me too, Paul. How come nobody ever asks when the four-thirds companies
(like Olympus) are going to come out with a FF?

I think if you were a landscape photographer shooting wall-size murals
you'd be best served with a 645D, which you _can_ actually get.
Personally I'd rather see Pentax develop improved studio features (eg
tethering) for the 645D than spend scant development resources on a
so-called FF body and new lenses.


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 On Aug 22, 2013, at 1:05 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

 Uh-oh. Popcorn time! :-)

 I'm always mystified in regard to the urgency of FF. My camera works great. 
 If I were a landscape photographer shooting wall-size murals I might think 
 otherwise, but I don't plan on going there.



 On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net 
 wrote:

 On Aug 22, 2013, at 12:39 PM, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote:

 On 8/22/2013 5:58 AM, Chris Mitchell wrote:

 I can certainly understand your feelings.  Frankly, I'd counsel waiting
 until the next round of product announcements before doing anything that
 involves transactions of large amounts of cash.

 Good point - I guess that the F* and FA lenses would become more
 desirable should a FF body come into existence. But how long do I
 wait?


 That's a question I've been asking for some time.

 I've decided to give them until the end of 2013 to announce and I must
 be able to get it IN MY HANDS no later than 30 Jun 2014.

 And at that, I still expect it's going to be too little, too late.

 Why exactly do you need full frame? Just curious.

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Re: Giving up on Pentax (probably)

2013-08-22 Thread George Sinos

I think Pentax doesn't get enough credit for the lens system built
around the aps-c sensor size.  Taken as a whole it's a very nice,
rational offering.  Extremely functional, small and lightweight
compared to lenses designed for FF.

On the projects where I use the FF Nikon, I really feel it in my back
and shoulders.  The 70-200mm zoom is a workhorse, but it weighs a ton.
 The lens alone weighs more than a K5 body with the 50-135mm lens.

gs


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On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:

 On Aug 22, 2013, at 1:05 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

 Uh-oh. Popcorn time! :-)

 I'm always mystified in regard to the urgency of FF. My camera works great. 
 If I were a landscape photographer shooting wall-size murals I might think 
 otherwise, but I don't plan on going there.



 On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net 
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 On Aug 22, 2013, at 12:39 PM, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote:

 On 8/22/2013 5:58 AM, Chris Mitchell wrote:

 I can certainly understand your feelings.  Frankly, I'd counsel waiting
 until the next round of product announcements before doing anything that
 involves transactions of large amounts of cash.

 Good point - I guess that the F* and FA lenses would become more
 desirable should a FF body come into existence. But how long do I
 wait?


 That's a question I've been asking for some time.

 I've decided to give them until the end of 2013 to announce and I must
 be able to get it IN MY HANDS no later than 30 Jun 2014.

 And at that, I still expect it's going to be too little, too late.

 Why exactly do you need full frame? Just curious.

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Re: Pentax HippoCam: 72MP Medium Format Panorama Camera

Good question, Steve. Thanks for posing it. Here are my (initial)
thoughts. In a nutshell it is the technological differences between a
spherical image and a flat image, when the end result must be flat.

There are two sides to producing a panorama image: Taking  Making

On the Taking side, what you call normal panorama is rotating the
camera around the center point of the tripod stalk. To do it properly,
you need to position the nodal point of the lens over that rotational
point. If you simply rotate around the tripod hole on your camera
body, you are going to have problems with objects that are closer to
your camera. As you mentioned, it also helps to have a pano head. The
HippoCam does not rotate, so there is no concern over a nodal point.
Instead the camera is traveling in a plane over the 6x7 image circle,
with some overlap to allow the stitching.

Now think for a moment about the projected image quality. In your
normal method you are working with a lens that normally sacrifices
some quality at the corners. So a normal panorama image has
overlapping weak corners at each seam of the process. By using a
larger format lens the weak corners aren't even being sampled. The
APS-C sensor is sliding right across the middle of the 6x7 image
circle.

That brings us to the making part. In the normal panorama process
you have to do two things: stitch and then distortion correct.

First let's talk about the stitch.
Here's an example of a simple stitched image:
http://www.altostorm.com/images/corrector/sample_1_original.jpg
Two things:
As you know if you have ever produced a normal pano like this, you
know that it wasn't rectangular like this. The original image was a
bowtie shape. You had to crop off pixels to get to the USABLE
rectilinear area. In short there is pixel waste or cost. You have in
effect used a much smaller part of your sensor (especially vertically)
than you started with.

Secondly, depending upon the focal length of the lens you used to take
the individual pano frames, you know that there are often problems
that creep in on parts of the image at the blends. These are called
stitching artifacts. These things can give away the fact that an
impressive looking image was made up of segments. This is generally
not critical for making web-resolution images, but if you want to make
bigger wall sized prints from your images those things have to be
dealt with in some way.

The HippoCam stitching process is much easier technically because we
are not stitching spherically, but only flat stitching. It is a
completely different process in Photoshop. In theory the pixels should
PERFECTLY OVERLAP from one frame to the next (as opposed to an
algorithm that must BLEND spherically distorted pixels in a pleasing
way). No stitching artifacts are introduced into the process. And you
throw away no pixels. Assuming the HippoCam is level, you should lose
very few pixels vertically and get to use almost the full 23.7mm of
sensor width in the vertical dimension.

Now, let's talk about the distortion correction phase.
How do we magically go from this:
http://www.altostorm.com/images/corrector/sample_1_original.jpg
to this:
http://www.altostorm.com/images/corrector/sample_1_corrected.jpg
???

Think about it. Either the pixels on the extreme right and left had to
stretch apart (did the software interpolate pixels to fill that space
in a way that made sense?) OR the center had to shrink to match the
outside edges - which means again throwing away pixel information
(which equals a lost of resolution). Anybody who has ever tried to
up-size a jpeg knows that there is a cost of sharpness and resolution
to do so. No algorithm can reproduce information it doesn't have. The
best it can do is guess and the end result is something that is very
clearly inferior to our eyes.

If you eliminate the need for distortion correction in the first place
(as the HippoCam/RhinoCam method does) you eliminate the corresponding
loss of resolution.

We haven't even talked about DOF issues when comparing a spherical
image to a panorama made from taking images across a single flat image
plane.

All of this is just theory talking however. We'll hopefully see if it
works in practice and I can do some comparison shots both ways.

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 12:05 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote:
 on 2013-08-21 10:01 Darren Addy wrote

 I think it helps to think of this project as being more of a view
 camera, than a solid-bodied camera.


 i'm curious what qualities you expect from this that you wouldn't get from a
 careful normal multi-exposure, perhaps with a panoramic head … perspective
 correction?


 Fotodiox says to
 expose each segment letting the camera control the exposure.  I'm not
 sure if that will be good advice or not. Normally one is counselled to
 lock the exposure across segments of a panorama or exposure
 differences will occur. So that is one area where I expect a little
 experimentation to be my final guide.


 in my modest

Re: BW Film Development app

2013-08-22 Thread Stan Halpin

Paper. I remember paper. 

The app is a more flexible version of the same info. Just don't tack your 
iPhone to the darkroom wall.

stan

On Aug 22, 2013, at 12:18 PM, John wrote:

 As I remember, it used to be available as a chart; a piece of paper you
 could tack up to the wall that looked something like a spreadsheet.
 
 On 8/21/2013 8:34 PM, Stan Halpin wrote:
 Mark C's recent Chicago gallery, mostly produced with Tri-X, and his
 discussions about the brew he used to develop said film, reminded me
 of a comment I have been meaning to make.
 
 For the iOS, and possibly other mobile OS systems? there is an app
 called Massive Dev Chart Timer. It looks like a compilation of many
 sources of recommendations for what brew to use for how long with
 what agitation for whatever type of film. And IIRC a built in timer
 to time the agitations and total time. And IIRC a way to change
 entries to your own preferred way of doing things. And a way to make
 notes on e.g. your experience using HC-110 with Tri-X. If nothingThe app
 else, it seems like a good start point for someone just coming to
 film development or who has been away for so long that they don't
 recall the parameters of a given film/brew combination.
 
 stan
 
 
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Re: PESO - Subtlety

Good title, Doug. Your editing restraint was very effective.

Jack

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https://plus.google.com/115347824062413314605/posts/3SvUDez6XNA

Another photo of Anna.

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Re: Giving up on Pentax (probably)

Guess I'm not the only one not running a temperature anxiously awaiting a 
Pentax FF.

Jack

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On Aug 22, 2013, at 1:05 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

 Uh-oh. Popcorn time! :-)

I'm always mystified in regard to the urgency of FF. My camera works great. If 
I were a landscape photographer shooting wall-size murals I might think 
otherwise, but I don't plan on going there.

 On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net 
 wrote:

 On Aug 22, 2013, at 12:39 PM, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote:

 On 8/22/2013 5:58 AM, Chris Mitchell wrote:

 I can certainly understand your feelings.  Frankly, I'd counsel waiting
 until the next round of product announcements before doing anything that
 involves transactions of large amounts of cash.

 Good point - I guess that the F* and FA lenses would become more
 desirable should a FF body come into existence. But how long do I
 wait?

 That's a question I've been asking for some time.

 I've decided to give them until the end of 2013 to announce and I must
 be able to get it IN MY HANDS no later than 30 Jun 2014.

 And at that, I still expect it's going to be too little, too late.

 Why exactly do you need full frame? Just curious.

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Lenses for sale - try 2

OK, I should have known that too much information would generate a lot
of interesting but (to me) extraneous chat!

So I'm looking to sell a DA* 50-135, a lovely F*300 4.5 (the one with the
tripod mount), an FA-135 2.8 (probably my favourite lens ever) and an
FA-50 1.7.

John very kindly suggested I look on KEH for an idea of pricing. Some
of the lenses aren't there for sale so I looked at comparing their
sell vs buy price and it looks as though they mark up the buy price by
approx 43% to arrive at a sell price. That gives me a price,
presumably excluding tax.

Any other ideas for getting a target price for these? Anyone
interested in making any offers?

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Re: BW Film Development app

Ah, but would you want to spill developer on your iPhone?
Chris

On 22 August 2013 20:16, Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote:
 Paper. I remember paper.

 The app is a more flexible version of the same info. Just don't tack your 
 iPhone to the darkroom wall.

 stan

 On Aug 22, 2013, at 12:18 PM, John wrote:

 As I remember, it used to be available as a chart; a piece of paper you
 could tack up to the wall that looked something like a spreadsheet.

 On 8/21/2013 8:34 PM, Stan Halpin wrote:
 Mark C's recent Chicago gallery, mostly produced with Tri-X, and his
 discussions about the brew he used to develop said film, reminded me
 of a comment I have been meaning to make.

 For the iOS, and possibly other mobile OS systems? there is an app
 called Massive Dev Chart Timer. It looks like a compilation of many
 sources of recommendations for what brew to use for how long with
 what agitation for whatever type of film. And IIRC a built in timer
 to time the agitations and total time. And IIRC a way to change
 entries to your own preferred way of doing things. And a way to make
 notes on e.g. your experience using HC-110 with Tri-X. If nothingThe app
 else, it seems like a good start point for someone just coming to
 film development or who has been away for so long that they don't
 recall the parameters of a given film/brew combination.

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PAW189 - Flying

2013-08-22 Thread DagT

Discovered that something wrong happened with the picture, so I try again...

http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/PAW/files/page7-1000-full.html
Bronica SQ-A, PS40mm, f/5.6, 1/250s, Ilford HP5+

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Re: Lenses for sale - try 2

2013-08-22 Thread David Parsons

Look on eBay for completed auctions.  Note the average price of items
that sold (disregard items that were put up, but didn't sell).  Throw
out any odd high or low outliers.

It's probably the best pricing engine ever created by man.

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Re: Lenses for sale - try 2

I search on eBay completed auctions and see what th market is paying recently, 
then adjust to suit. 

Godfrey


On Aug 22, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Chris Mitchell chris.mitch...@which.net wrote:

 OK, I should have known that too much information would generate a lot
 of interesting but (to me) extraneous chat!
 
 So I'm looking to sell a DA* 50-135, a lovely F*300 4.5 (the one with the
 tripod mount), an FA-135 2.8 (probably my favourite lens ever) and an
 FA-50 1.7.
 
 John very kindly suggested I look on KEH for an idea of pricing. Some
 of the lenses aren't there for sale so I looked at comparing their
 sell vs buy price and it looks as though they mark up the buy price by
 approx 43% to arrive at a sell price. That gives me a price,
 presumably excluding tax.
 
 Any other ideas for getting a target price for these? Anyone
 interested in making any offers?
 
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Re: PAW189 - Flying

Cool shot!

Godfrey

On Aug 22, 2013, at 12:58 PM, DagT li...@thrane.name wrote:

 Discovered that something wrong happened with the picture, so I try again...
 
 http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/PAW/files/page7-1000-full.html
 Bronica SQ-A, PS40mm, f/5.6, 1/250s, Ilford HP5+
 
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Re: Lenses for sale - try 2

When comparing SOLD prices, don't forget to add the selling price
and shipping together for the actual dollars spent. Then factor in
your shipping costs, depending upon where you want to ship. You may
also note that items that ship to other countries will bring higher
dollars than those that are just shipping to the Continental U.S. (but
with more risk).

You also have the option to list items at a higher Buy It Now price
and then put in a Make Offer. You can set prices that will
automatically be rejected and those that will be sent to you to
consider. Also don't forget to factor in that you will be losing
nearly 15% between eBay  Paypal fees (if using both). So factor that
in when making the PDML prices. :)

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@me.com wrote:
 I search on eBay completed auctions and see what th market is paying 
 recently, then adjust to suit.

 Godfrey


 On Aug 22, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Chris Mitchell chris.mitch...@which.net wrote:

 OK, I should have known that too much information would generate a lot
 of interesting but (to me) extraneous chat!

 So I'm looking to sell a DA* 50-135, a lovely F*300 4.5 (the one with the
 tripod mount), an FA-135 2.8 (probably my favourite lens ever) and an
 FA-50 1.7.

 John very kindly suggested I look on KEH for an idea of pricing. Some
 of the lenses aren't there for sale so I looked at comparing their
 sell vs buy price and it looks as though they mark up the buy price by
 approx 43% to arrive at a sell price. That gives me a price,
 presumably excluding tax.

 Any other ideas for getting a target price for these? Anyone
 interested in making any offers?

 Chris

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Re: Giving up on Pentax (probably)

Ditto.

Rick

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On Aug 22, 2013, at 1:05 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

 Uh-oh. Popcorn time! :-)

I'm always mystified in regard to the urgency of FF. My camera works great. If 
I were a landscape photographer shooting wall-size murals I might think 
otherwise, but I don't plan on going there.

 On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net 
 wrote:

 On Aug 22, 2013, at 12:39 PM, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote:

 On 8/22/2013 5:58 AM, Chris Mitchell wrote:

 I can certainly understand your feelings.  Frankly, I'd counsel waiting
 until the next round of product announcements before doing anything that
 involves transactions of large amounts of cash.

 Good point - I guess that the F* and FA lenses would become more
 desirable should a FF body come into existence. But how long do I
 wait?

 That's a question I've been asking for some time.

 I've decided to give them until the end of 2013 to announce and I must
 be able to get it IN MY HANDS no later than 30 Jun 2014.

 And at that, I still expect it's going to be too little, too late.

 Why exactly do you need full frame? Just curious.

 Paul

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Re: Giving up on Pentax (probably)

2013-08-22 Thread Steve Cottrell

On 22/8/13, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed:

Why exactly do you need full frame? Just curious.

I'm not, nor ever could be, John, but for me - so I can mount my
A*85/1.4 onto it and have it behave like an A*85/1.4 ;-)

Which brings about an interesting proposition. My A*85/1.4 is neutered.
That is, I removed the aperture lever. Thinks: if Pentax bring out a FF
body, looks like I'll be planning to reinstate the lever - although it
was destroyed in the process of removal. This will require some Deep Thought!


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Re: PESO - Subtlety

2013-08-22 Thread Steve Cottrell

On 22/8/13, Doug Brewer, discombobulated, unleashed:

https://plus.google.com/115347824062413314605/posts/3SvUDez6XNA

Another photo of Anna.

I lied on Facebook, it's shit.

Bastard.


AAARGH.

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Re: Lenses for sale - try 2

2013-08-22 Thread Bob Sullivan

Chris,
I'd use KEH prices and then go to ebay and up the prices for ebay and
Paypal fees.
You can start ebay with a low price, set your reserve at what you
need, and offer
a Buy-it-Now price for 10-20% more than you want.  You may be surprised by
some Buy-it-Now offers.  Your only problem will be shipping from the UK.
It is outrageously expensive!
Regards,  Bob S.

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 When comparing SOLD prices, don't forget to add the selling price
 and shipping together for the actual dollars spent. Then factor in
 your shipping costs, depending upon where you want to ship. You may
 also note that items that ship to other countries will bring higher
 dollars than those that are just shipping to the Continental U.S. (but
 with more risk).

 You also have the option to list items at a higher Buy It Now price
 and then put in a Make Offer. You can set prices that will
 automatically be rejected and those that will be sent to you to
 consider. Also don't forget to factor in that you will be losing
 nearly 15% between eBay  Paypal fees (if using both). So factor that
 in when making the PDML prices. :)

 On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@me.com wrote:
 I search on eBay completed auctions and see what th market is paying 
 recently, then adjust to suit.

 Godfrey


 On Aug 22, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Chris Mitchell chris.mitch...@which.net 
 wrote:

 OK, I should have known that too much information would generate a lot
 of interesting but (to me) extraneous chat!

 So I'm looking to sell a DA* 50-135, a lovely F*300 4.5 (the one with the
 tripod mount), an FA-135 2.8 (probably my favourite lens ever) and an
 FA-50 1.7.

 John very kindly suggested I look on KEH for an idea of pricing. Some
 of the lenses aren't there for sale so I looked at comparing their
 sell vs buy price and it looks as though they mark up the buy price by
 approx 43% to arrive at a sell price. That gives me a price,
 presumably excluding tax.

 Any other ideas for getting a target price for these? Anyone
 interested in making any offers?

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PESO - A Lovely Afternoon for Painting

Atop a minor local mountain with a splendid view:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17505433size=lg


or

http://gallery.photo.net/photo/17505433-lg.jpg

 
(K-5, FA 28/2.8)

Comments appreciated.

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Re: Giving up on Pentax (probably)

2013-08-22 Thread Tom C

Paul Stenquist wrote:

 I'm always mystified in regard to the urgency of FF. My camera works great. 
 If I were a landscape photographer shooting wall-size murals I might think 
 otherwise, but I don't plan on  going there.

Paul, this my cheeky, yet respectful response, and I know I don't need
to explain the benefits of a FF sensor to you.

If/when Pentax releases a FF body, and you purchase it, I'll pose the
same question back to you. :)

Tom C.

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Re: Giving up on Pentax (probably)

2013-08-22 Thread Christine Aguila

Oh, dear!  Say it ain't so.  :-)  Cheers, Christine

P.S. I should probably explain:  When Michael Jordon retired from the Chicago 
Bulls basketball team, a Chicago newspaper ran this headline:  Say it ain't 
so, Michael.  So I'm referencing that headline.  Everyone in the city was so 
sad our shinning star was leaving our shinning team.

Cheers, Christine



On Aug 22, 2013, at 1:49 AM, Chris Mitchell chris.mitch...@which.net wrote:

 Hi all
 
 The last straw has been that my DA* 16-50 has stopped auto-focussing
 again. The internal motor was replaced a couple of years ago (so out
 of warranty) and now it looks like there's another couple of hundred
 quid to be spent on it. And yes, I've cleaned all of the contacts and
 yes, my DA* 50-135 works OK on my only remaining K-7 body.
 
 So the decision's nearly made to sell off the K-7, DA* 16-50 (either
 repaired or as is), DA* 50-135, a lovely F*300 4.5 (the one with the
 tripod mount), an FA-135 2.8 (probably my favourite lens ever) and an
 FA-50 1.7. I'll put the proceeds towards a backup Fuji X body and get
 the excellent 55 - 200 zoom to cover the long end of the range and to
 sit alongside my growing collection of Fuji X primes. I'll keep a
 number of MF lenses so may still be able to appear in the PDML
 annual...
 
 Any guidance on how to price? Or if anyone's interested in making me
 any sensible offers, contact me off list and I'll get more details and
 photos arranged and we can sort out logistics.
 
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And the original is from a Chicago newspaper as well: Say it ain't so, Joe. 
Directed at Shoeless Joe Jackson when he was indicted for throwing the World 
Series.

Paul via phone

On Aug 22, 2013, at 5:20 PM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote:

 Oh, dear!  Say it ain't so.  :-)  Cheers, Christine
 
 P.S. I should probably explain:  When Michael Jordon retired from the Chicago 
 Bulls basketball team, a Chicago newspaper ran this headline:  Say it ain't 
 so, Michael.  So I'm referencing that headline.  Everyone in the city was so 
 sad our shinning star was leaving our shinning team.
 
 Cheers, Christine
 
 
 
 On Aug 22, 2013, at 1:49 AM, Chris Mitchell chris.mitch...@which.net wrote:
 
 Hi all
 
 The last straw has been that my DA* 16-50 has stopped auto-focussing
 again. The internal motor was replaced a couple of years ago (so out
 of warranty) and now it looks like there's another couple of hundred
 quid to be spent on it. And yes, I've cleaned all of the contacts and
 yes, my DA* 50-135 works OK on my only remaining K-7 body.
 
 So the decision's nearly made to sell off the K-7, DA* 16-50 (either
 repaired or as is), DA* 50-135, a lovely F*300 4.5 (the one with the
 tripod mount), an FA-135 2.8 (probably my favourite lens ever) and an
 FA-50 1.7. I'll put the proceeds towards a backup Fuji X body and get
 the excellent 55 - 200 zoom to cover the long end of the range and to
 sit alongside my growing collection of Fuji X primes. I'll keep a
 number of MF lenses so may still be able to appear in the PDML
 annual...
 
 Any guidance on how to price? Or if anyone's interested in making me
 any sensible offers, contact me off list and I'll get more details and
 photos arranged and we can sort out logistics.
 
 Yours sadly, Chris
 
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Re: Lenses for sale - try 2

That's kind what .. then adjust to suit intended to address. :-)

Godfrey


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 and shipping together for the actual dollars spent. Then factor in
 your shipping costs, depending upon where you want to ship. You may
 also note that items that ship to other countries will bring higher
 dollars than those that are just shipping to the Continental U.S. (but
 with more risk).
 
 You also have the option to list items at a higher Buy It Now price
 and then put in a Make Offer. You can set prices that will
 automatically be rejected and those that will be sent to you to
 consider. Also don't forget to factor in that you will be losing
 nearly 15% between eBay  Paypal fees (if using both). So factor that
 in when making the PDML prices. :)
 
 On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@me.com wrote:
 I search on eBay completed auctions and see what th market is paying 
 recently, then adjust to suit.

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PESO: American Gothic

“America the Beautiful” by J. Seward Johnson is a 25 foot tall work at
Grounds for Sculpture modeled after Grant Wood’s famed 1930 painting
“American Gothic.”

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17504448

Comments are invited

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Re: BW Film Development app

Hard to spill developer on it when I have it tacked to the wall ..

Godfrey


On Aug 22, 2013, at 12:33 PM, Chris Mitchell chris.mitch...@which.net wrote:

 Ah, but would you want to spill developer on your iPhone?
 Chris
 
 On 22 August 2013 20:16, Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote:
 Paper. I remember paper.
 
 The app is a more flexible version of the same info. Just don't tack your 
 iPhone to the darkroom wall.
 
 stan
 
 On Aug 22, 2013, at 12:18 PM, John wrote:
 
 As I remember, it used to be available as a chart; a piece of paper you
 could tack up to the wall that looked something like a spreadsheet.
 
 On 8/21/2013 8:34 PM, Stan Halpin wrote:
 Mark C's recent Chicago gallery, mostly produced with Tri-X, and his
 discussions about the brew he used to develop said film, reminded me
 of a comment I have been meaning to make.
 
 For the iOS, and possibly other mobile OS systems? there is an app
 called Massive Dev Chart Timer. It looks like a compilation of many
 sources of recommendations for what brew to use for how long with
 what agitation for whatever type of film. And IIRC a built in timer
 to time the agitations and total time. And IIRC a way to change
 entries to your own preferred way of doing things. And a way to make
 notes on e.g. your experience using HC-110 with Tri-X. If nothingThe app
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Bizarre: Twenty Four Pentax 67 45mm f4 (NEW) on Amazon?

I can understand maybe finding one or two of these new (old stock)
lenses on Amazon, but 24 of them? And each one from a different Ships
from Japan seller? I don't get it. Some of these sellers with low
feedback are probably just opening new Amazon accounts to sell under
(which accounts for at least some of them, perhaps).

http://goo.gl/WhPn57

In any event, I doubt there is anything paying anywhere close to that
for this lens these days, new or not.

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Re: Giving up on Pentax (probably)

2013-08-22 Thread Christine Aguila

Roger that :-)!  Cheers, Christine


On Aug 22, 2013, at 4:45 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:

 And the original is from a Chicago newspaper as well: Say it ain't so, Joe. 
 Directed at Shoeless Joe Jackson when he was indicted for throwing the World 
 Series.
 
 Paul via phone
 
 On Aug 22, 2013, at 5:20 PM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote:
 
 Oh, dear!  Say it ain't so.  :-)  Cheers, Christine
 
 P.S. I should probably explain:  When Michael Jordon retired from the 
 Chicago Bulls basketball team, a Chicago newspaper ran this headline:  Say 
 it ain't so, Michael.  So I'm referencing that headline.  Everyone in the 
 city was so sad our shinning star was leaving our shinning team.
 
 Cheers, Christine
 
 
 
 On Aug 22, 2013, at 1:49 AM, Chris Mitchell chris.mitch...@which.net wrote:
 
 Hi all
 
 The last straw has been that my DA* 16-50 has stopped auto-focussing
 again. The internal motor was replaced a couple of years ago (so out
 of warranty) and now it looks like there's another couple of hundred
 quid to be spent on it. And yes, I've cleaned all of the contacts and
 yes, my DA* 50-135 works OK on my only remaining K-7 body.
 
 So the decision's nearly made to sell off the K-7, DA* 16-50 (either
 repaired or as is), DA* 50-135, a lovely F*300 4.5 (the one with the
 tripod mount), an FA-135 2.8 (probably my favourite lens ever) and an
 FA-50 1.7. I'll put the proceeds towards a backup Fuji X body and get
 the excellent 55 - 200 zoom to cover the long end of the range and to
 sit alongside my growing collection of Fuji X primes. I'll keep a
 number of MF lenses so may still be able to appear in the PDML
 annual...
 
 Any guidance on how to price? Or if anyone's interested in making me
 any sensible offers, contact me off list and I'll get more details and
 photos arranged and we can sort out logistics.
 
 Yours sadly, Chris
 
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Re: Giving up on Pentax (probably)

2013-08-22 Thread David Parsons

The first lens I ever bought (the 18-55 kit came with the camera) was
the Sigma 70-300 APO.  I read specs and looked at comparisons for
weeks.  Should I get the Sigma or the 50-200.  I waffled back and
forth.  I finally pulled the trigger on the Sigma.

I got a few days later and the thing was massive.  About 8 inches
long, and 4 or 5 inches across at the filter ring.  I was shocked.  In
all my looking online, I hadn't ever seen a comparison of the size and
weight.  It wouldn't even fit in the bag I was going to use for my
trip.  I had bought it to have a long zoom for a trip to Greece.

I did a couple test shots and then returned it and got the 50-200
instead.  So much better for traveling.  And about as light as the
18-55.  And as small!  I never regretted returning that lens, I would
have hated lugging it around.

I quite like the lens sizes and weights that Pentax has come up with.

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:01 PM, George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com wrote:
 I think Pentax doesn't get enough credit for the lens system built
 around the aps-c sensor size.  Taken as a whole it's a very nice,
 rational offering.  Extremely functional, small and lightweight
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PESO - At the Record Shop

I try not to show many coffee shop photos but this one interested me. There's a 
story in there somewhere:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2013/08/at-record-shop.html?m=1

Btw, Village Vinyl in New Toronto is an amazing place.  Open for less than a 
year, they have a great CD selection and (gasp) lots of vinyl.  Keith the owner 
is a great guy and if you're not buying you can sit down for a coffee and 
pastry and enjoy the tunes.

Islington and Lakeshore, for you locals.

Hope you enjoy this photo. Comments welcome.

Cheers, 
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Re: PESO Oops

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 09:05:03AM -0400, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
 Well done, Larry.  Very good for on the spot reportage photography,
 and great documentation.  The insurance companies should purchase
 these images.
 
 I also like you portfolio of crash images.  Quite an interesting collection.

Thanks.  I don't know if you noticed the set with the car 
nose down, leaning against my garage.  That was particularly 
entertaing because I was downstairs in the garage at the time. 
I heard squeeling tires, a motorcycle horn, a couple of thumps
then a very loud thump as the car hit the building I was in.

When the sherrif spun out in the rain and hit the guard rail,
I was having a challenging time balancing the expsure with 
the speedlight, flashing lights, wet reflections etc.  The
deputy eventually got rather annoyed at my continuing attempts
to get a clean shot.

One of the shots of the accident that it my racecar actually
did make it into the paper.

It can be an entertaining place to live.  When I was a kid,
the CHP used to just leave us flares to put out when there
was a wreck. 

 
 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
 
 
 On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
  I wasn't planning on taking any photos tonight.
 
  I was sitting at my computer, and heard a familiar squeel-thump! Though it 
  was more of a clang than a thump. I grabbed my cell phone and camera and 
  walked up to the twin bridges. As I walked up I called 911 when I saw a car 
  facing southbound in the northbound lane, with a wheel sitting some 
  distance away. There were several people standing around. None of them were 
  the drivers of the cars, though one rather inebriated fellow had been a 
  passenger.
  The drivers, one definitely drunk the other likely high on something else, 
  both hightailed it off on foot, in opposite directions.
 
  I think this one, while not the sharpest, best captures the moment:
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/9566589543/
 
  For fans of bent sheet metal, the rest of the set:
  http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157635184466984/
 
  Having lived here a big chunk of the past 40 years, several of them before
  I got my drivers license, I've seen a lot of wrecks in front of my house,
  for values of in front  250m.  I learned several things before I even
  got my drivers license:
 
  1) Almost all of the wrecks were caused by drunks, with teenagers
  driving beyond their abilities coming in a distant second.
 
  2) People who wore their seat belts did not get hurt.
 
  3) People who didn't wear their seat belt got hurt.
 
  And as a bonus, for them that really enjoy pictures of wrecks, crashes
  and other destruction:
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/collections/72157608363486923/
 
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Re: Giving up on Pentax (probably)


On Aug 22, 2013, at 5:20 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote:

 Paul Stenquist wrote:
 
 I'm always mystified in regard to the urgency of FF. My camera works great. 
 If I were a landscape photographer shooting wall-size murals I might think 
 otherwise, but I don't plan on  going there.
 
 Paul, this my cheeky, yet respectful response, and I know I don't need
 to explain the benefits of a FF sensor to you.
 
 If/when Pentax releases a FF body, and you purchase it, I'll pose the
 same question back to you. :)
 
Yes, I'll probably buy it, and there are some benefits to a 24 x 36 sensor (my 
camera has a full frame), but the K-5 images are tough to beat. Just ask the 
photo editors at the New York Times. I would like a larger sensor, but I'm 
certainly not imposing a decline and losing sleep over it. That's just silly. 

Paul
 Tom C.
 
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Re: PESO - Subtlety

2013-08-22 Thread Ann Sanfedele


surely that's Ingrid Bergman

ann

On 8/22/2013 14:24, Doug Brewer wrote:

https://plus.google.com/115347824062413314605/posts/3SvUDez6XNA

Another photo of Anna.



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Re: PESO - Subtlety

Absolutely stunning. Incredible light. 

Reminds me of WES' ~A Walk to Paradise Garden~. Except, you know, for the 
beautiful woman.

Cheers,
frank



Doug Brewer d...@alphoto.com wrote:
https://plus.google.com/115347824062413314605/posts/3SvUDez6XNA

Another photo of Anna.

“Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel



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Re: BW Film Development app

2013-08-22 Thread Mark C

The massive developer chart is available as an app for iphone android 
and nokia. I just write down the info I need. On a sticky note - that's 
higher tech than plain paper...


Idea for a really cool film development app - enter the film brand and 
speed; developer type, concentration and temp; desired contrast level 
and then tape the phone to the tank and hit the start button. The phone 
would sense your agitation technique and sound a beep when the film is 
done Might take a lot of testing to accomplish.


Mark

On 8/21/2013 8:34 PM, Stan Halpin wrote:

Mark C's recent Chicago gallery, mostly produced with Tri-X, and his 
discussions about the brew he used to develop said film, reminded me of a 
comment I have been meaning to make.

For the iOS, and possibly other mobile OS systems? there is an app called 
Massive Dev Chart Timer. It looks like a compilation of many sources of 
recommendations for what brew to use for how long with what agitation for 
whatever type of film. And IIRC a built in timer to time the agitations and 
total time. And IIRC a way to change entries to your own preferred way of doing 
things. And a way to make notes on e.g. your experience using HC-110 with 
Tri-X. If nothing else, it seems like a good start point for someone just 
coming to film development or who has been away for so long that they don't 
recall the parameters of a given film/brew combination.

stan



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Re: Giving up on Pentax (probably)

Damn spell checker. I'm not imposing a deadline.

Paul via phone

On Aug 22, 2013, at 7:36 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:

 
 On Aug 22, 2013, at 5:20 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Paul Stenquist wrote:
 
 I'm always mystified in regard to the urgency of FF. My camera works great. 
 If I were a landscape photographer shooting wall-size murals I might think 
 otherwise, but I don't plan on  going there.
 
 Paul, this my cheeky, yet respectful response, and I know I don't need
 to explain the benefits of a FF sensor to you.
 
 If/when Pentax releases a FF body, and you purchase it, I'll pose the
 same question back to you. :)
 Yes, I'll probably buy it, and there are some benefits to a 24 x 36 sensor 
 (my camera has a full frame), but the K-5 images are tough to beat. Just ask 
 the photo editors at the New York Times. I would like a larger sensor, but 
 I'm certainly not imposing a decline and losing sleep over it. That's just 
 silly. 
 
 Paul
 Tom C.
 
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Re: PESO - The Portal

2013-08-22 Thread Marco Alpert

Thanks to Bruce, Jack, Dan, Rick, frank and John for the comments.

And for John (SPOILER ALERT), it's a coffee maker. (I had debated darkening 
that area to the point where it wasn't obvious that there was a device there, 
but in the end changed my mind.)

   - Marco


On Aug 22, 2013, at 9:30 AM, John wrote:

 I like it just the way it is, although I would like to know if that's a
 coffee maker or a CD player sitting on the chest?
 
 
 Marco Alpert ma...@alpert.com wrote:
 http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo13/peso14.html
 
 Comments, as always, welcomed.
 
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Re: Giving up on Pentax (probably)

If I were paying attention, I could probably recite the feelings about 
a 24x36 sensor of just about every person on this list.
At this point about the only interesting thing about full frame sensor
Pentax discussions are new hat recipes.

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Re: Bizarre: Twenty Four Pentax 67 45mm f4 (NEW) on Amazon?

2013-08-22 Thread Joseph McAllister

Looks like Pentax is holding auctions of warehoused new-old stock lenses.
Ricoh tired of paying to warehouse stuff they'll never bother to sell through 
normal channels.

Expect more. 

Joe


On Aug 22, 2013, at 15:03 , Darren Addy wrote:

 I can understand maybe finding one or two of these new (old stock)
 lenses on Amazon, but 24 of them? And each one from a different Ships
 from Japan seller? I don't get it. Some of these sellers with low
 feedback are probably just opening new Amazon accounts to sell under
 (which accounts for at least some of them, perhaps).
 
 http://goo.gl/WhPn57
 
 In any event, I doubt there is anything paying anywhere close to that
 for this lens these days, new or not.


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Re: PESO - At the Record Shop