Re: PESO: Neglect

[Philip Northeast]

Looks lovely, spend the money on restoration not lawyers.

Philip Northeast

www.aviewfinderdarkly.com.au

On 22/12/16 4:57 pm, David Mann wrote:

We went to the cheesemongers this morning but the shop was super busy so it 
wasn't a good idea for us to bring the baby's stroller in.  While my wife 
queued for cheese I took my darling daughter for a walk and ended up in 
Cathedral Square.

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/1033/#peso

I shot this through a gate in the fence.

There are a lot of politics going on behind the scenes here.  The Anglican 
church, who own the cathedral and the land it's on, want to knock it down and 
replace it, but there's a vocal opposition who think it can be made safe and 
restored on a reasonable budget.  Meanwhile the building continues to decay 
while all the money is being spent on lawyers.  I'm actually surprised the 
recent 7.8 quake didn't make the decision for them.

Cheers,
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PESO: Neglect

[David Mann]

We went to the cheesemongers this morning but the shop was super busy so it 
wasn't a good idea for us to bring the baby's stroller in.  While my wife 
queued for cheese I took my darling daughter for a walk and ended up in 
Cathedral Square.

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/1033/#peso

I shot this through a gate in the fence.

There are a lot of politics going on behind the scenes here.  The Anglican 
church, who own the cathedral and the land it's on, want to knock it down and 
replace it, but there's a vocal opposition who think it can be made safe and 
restored on a reasonable budget.  Meanwhile the building continues to decay 
while all the money is being spent on lawyers.  I'm actually surprised the 
recent 7.8 quake didn't make the decision for them. 

Cheers,
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PESO: paying for the music

[Philip Northeast]

https://flic.kr/p/PSQqcA


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Re: Happy birthday Jostein!

[ann sanfedele]

and again :-)

ann


On 12/21/2016 1:02 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:

Many happy returns, Mister J :-).

All the way to 120 and beyond!

Boris

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:

Hope you have a great day. Buy yourself a few lenses!

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Re: 20th Anniversary PUG

[John]

For me, it's the same photograph.

On 12/21/2016 9:40 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

How about an all time favorite photograph rather than one's best? Not
the same of course. The first is easy for me; the latter would be
difficult.

Paul via phone


On Dec 21, 2016, at 9:18 PM, John  wrote:


On 12/21/2016 12:36 AM, David Mann wrote:

On Dec 21, 2016, at 10:05 AM, Ken Waller  wrote:

How about submitting one image that the photog feels is the very, very best of 
their work.


I'd never be able to decide.  And I'd probably find it was taken with another 
brand.

I'd be happy with an open gallery or maybe an "anniversary" theme.

Cheers,
Dave




I do have a photograph that I consider my best ever, but I've used it
several times already and I'd really like to move on to see if I can do
better.




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Re: Pirelli goes natural

[John]

I like it. I'm 67.

On 12/21/2016 7:22 AM, Mark Stringer wrote:

I say lets vote on it.  Like or dislike but each vote must be
accompanied by the voter's age.
I like it...66


On 12/21/2016 1:28 AM, Marco Alpert wrote:

Couldn’t disagree more.

m


On Dec 20, 2016, at 9:45 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:

Sorry but the new calendar just doesn't cut it for me.
I much prefer the earlier editions of the calendar.
Its like Pirelli is asking me to like a bald worn out tire instead of
one of their new super sticky P-Zeros.
I think they've lost their direction with this edition.

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - From: "Larry Colen" 
Subject: Pirelli goes natural



Peter Lindbergh shot this years Pirelli Calendar without using
makeup or retouching.

https://www.fastcocreate.com/3066063/quick-hit/the-2017-pirelli-calendar-with-nicole-kidman-and-julianne-moore-is-raw-and-unretou


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Re: Peso-Sac. Eagle

[Alan C]

Excellent capture, Jack. Which one of these do you think it is?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_eagle

I see our Fish Eagle & your Bald Eagle are in there too.

Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Jack Davis

Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 11:59 PM
To: PDML
Subject: Peso-Sac. Eagle



This AM at the Sac. Ntl. Preserve.
45% of the frame.
At, maybe, 100yds?

150-450 hand held.
Chilly, fairly stiff breeze.

J

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Re: Pirelli goes natural

[John]

Well, there's still Snap-On Tools

On 12/21/2016 2:37 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



Ken Waller wrote:

The calendars are instantly collectible works.

By who? I've never seen them any place but in garages.


I don't think I've ever seen a Pirelli calendar in the flesh. Over the
years I've seen countless calendars of conventionally pretty girls
holding tools in such a manner that it's obvious that nobody involved in
the photo has even an inkling of a clue about car repair. Something I
consider rather disappointing because I think women who know how to
wrench are extra sexy.

The Pirelli calendar has long been a "fine art" version of the pinup
calendar emphasizing art rather than bimbotude.



Perhaps they're venturing into something other than tires - snark, snark


Like the poster I have for Dunlop motorcycle tires:

If you've got the leather, we've got the rubber.






Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" 
Subject: Re: Pirelli goes natural



I agree with Marco.

The Pirelli calendar is a piece of marcom collateral that serves the
dual function of promoting Pirelli (not necessarily their tires) as a
company that supports the development of art and the humanities as
well as provides a venue for photographers to exhibit their works.
They have focused on fashion and nudes for most of their history, last
year and this year mark an interesting departure as they reach into a
broader domain of photographic imagery. The calendars are instantly
collectible works.

Frankly, I doubt that many "car people" are even interested.

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On Dec 21, 2016, at 10:23 AM, Ken Waller  wrote:

You have to ask yourself what are they trying to do Promote their
tires, sell calendars or cater to older women.

The photos are obviously well done but I bet they don't sell as many
calendars as in years past - a lot of non car people have never
seen/heard of the Pirelli calendar.


-Original Message-

From: Marco Alpert 
Subject: Re: Pirelli goes natural

Couldn’t disagree more.

m


On Dec 20, 2016, at 9:45 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:

Sorry but the new calendar just doesn't cut it for me.
I much prefer the earlier editions of the calendar.
Its like Pirelli is asking me to like a bald worn out tire instead
of one of their new super sticky P-Zeros.
I think they've lost their direction with this edition.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - From: "Larry Colen" 
Subject: Pirelli goes natural



Peter Lindbergh shot this years Pirelli Calendar without using
makeup or retouching.

https://www.fastcocreate.com/3066063/quick-hit/the-2017-pirelli-calendar-with-nicole-kidman-and-julianne-moore-is-raw-and-unretou



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Re: Pirelli goes natural

[John]

Do they sell the calendars? I thought they were a promotional give-away 
item?


On 12/21/2016 1:23 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

You have to ask yourself what are they trying to do Promote their
tires, sell calendars or cater to older women.

The photos are obviously well done but I bet they don't sell as many
calendars as in years past - a lot of non car people have never
seen/heard of the Pirelli calendar.


-Original Message-

From: Marco Alpert 
Subject: Re: Pirelli goes natural

Couldn’t disagree more.

m


On Dec 20, 2016, at 9:45 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:

Sorry but the new calendar just doesn't cut it for me.
I much prefer the earlier editions of the calendar.
Its like Pirelli is asking me to like a bald worn out tire instead of one of 
their new super sticky P-Zeros.
I think they've lost their direction with this edition.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - From: "Larry Colen" 
Subject: Pirelli goes natural



Peter Lindbergh shot this years Pirelli Calendar without using makeup or 
retouching.

https://www.fastcocreate.com/3066063/quick-hit/the-2017-pirelli-calendar-with-nicole-kidman-and-julianne-moore-is-raw-and-unretou

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Re: OT: printer question - which would you do?

[Paul Stenquist]

I solved that problem by printing on Epson's best paper almost all the time 
(premium luster).  
But I would use photo black all the time.

Paul via phone

> On Dec 21, 2016, at 10:01 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> If you don't want to keep going back and forth between photo black and matte 
> black on the R2400 (or the like) is it less harmful to print something on 
> matte paper with the photo black cartridge in or glossy paper with the matte 
> black in?
> 
> The r2400 knows which and doesn't offer a paper setting for the other, but I 
> got not terrible results with the matte black in and printing a little print 
> on 4 x 6 Epson glossy and the setting on inkjet photo paper setting.
> 
> what say ya?
> 
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Re: Portraits of Women on the Job!

[John]

On 12/21/2016 7:35 AM, Mark Stringer wrote:

Here is another impressive young woman.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BMcbCnZDntQ/?taken-by=maegenwellsguitars

kind of her story in a nutshell. Would love one of her creations.
Beautiful photography on her website. www.maegenwellsguitars.com

On 12/20/2016 9:38 AM, Christine Aguila wrote:

Just thought everyone would enjoy these amazing portraits of women
working in traditional men’s jobs.  Outstanding photography here!
Just love it!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/12-stunning-photos-that-prove-theres-no-such-thing-as-mens-work_us_58531c10e4b0b3ddfd8bea7e


Cheers, Christine





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picked up a Cole Clark Angel 2 in Tasmanian Blackwood. It's a beautiful
guitar.


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OT: printer question - which would you do?

[ann sanfedele]

If you don't want to keep going back and forth between photo black and 
matte black on the R2400 (or the like) is it less harmful to print 
something on matte paper with the photo black cartridge in or glossy 
paper with the matte black in?


The r2400 knows which and doesn't offer a paper setting for the other, 
but I got not terrible results with the matte black in and printing a 
little print on 4 x 6 Epson glossy and the setting on inkjet photo paper 
setting.


what say ya?

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Re: 20th Anniversary PUG

[ann sanfedele]

I have about 100 photos I'd say that I'm really quite pleased with  
(that sounds rude, but I have taken well over 200,000 photos)  I could 
no more pic ONE favorite photo of mine than I could pick one favorite 
food or one favorite filmor one favorite place or one favorite book or 
even one favorite friend...


Guess you could say I've just always been fickle.  I can pick favorites 
out of smaller "n"  -  ahve to do that every year for the annual :-)


ann


On 12/21/2016 9:18 PM, John wrote:

On 12/21/2016 12:36 AM, David Mann wrote:

On Dec 21, 2016, at 10:05 AM, Ken Waller  wrote:

How about submitting one image that the photog feels is the very, 
very best of their work.


I'd never be able to decide.  And I'd probably find it was taken with 
another brand.


I'd be happy with an open gallery or maybe an "anniversary" theme.

Cheers,
Dave




I do have a photograph that I consider my best ever, but I've used it
several times already and I'd really like to move on to see if I can do
better.




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Re: Peso-Sac. Eagle

[ann sanfedele]

You could even crop it more -- s sharp!

ann


On 12/21/2016 4:59 PM, Jack Davis wrote:


This AM at the Sac. Ntl. Preserve.
45% of the frame.
At, maybe, 100yds?

150-450 hand held.
Chilly, fairly stiff breeze.

J

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Re: PESO - 'Waiting for Takeoff'

[ann sanfedele]

ditto

ann


On 12/19/2016 4:10 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

That's a real beauty, Ken.


On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:

Taken late August on a dewey morning in Seney National Wildlife Refuge in
the Upper Peninsula of Michigan with a K-3 and a 200mm f4.0 ED Macro. 1/2
sec @ f18, 200 ISO. Not sure what variety of dragonfly it is.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18322529

Comments appreciated.

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Re: 20th Anniversary PUG

[Paul Stenquist]

How about an all time favorite photograph rather than one's best? Not the same 
of course. The first is easy for me; the latter would be difficult. 

Paul via phone

> On Dec 21, 2016, at 9:18 PM, John  wrote:
> 
>> On 12/21/2016 12:36 AM, David Mann wrote:
>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 10:05 AM, Ken Waller  wrote:
>>> 
>>> How about submitting one image that the photog feels is the very, very best 
>>> of their work.
>> 
>> I'd never be able to decide.  And I'd probably find it was taken with 
>> another brand.
>> 
>> I'd be happy with an open gallery or maybe an "anniversary" theme.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
> 
> I do have a photograph that I consider my best ever, but I've used it
> several times already and I'd really like to move on to see if I can do
> better.
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Re: 20th Anniversary PUG

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On 12/21/2016 12:36 AM, David Mann wrote:

On Dec 21, 2016, at 10:05 AM, Ken Waller  wrote:


How about submitting one image that the photog feels is the very, very best of 
their work.


I'd never be able to decide.  And I'd probably find it was taken with another 
brand.

I'd be happy with an open gallery or maybe an "anniversary" theme.

Cheers,
Dave




I do have a photograph that I consider my best ever, but I've used it
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Re: Peso-Sac. Eagle

[Jack Davis]

Thanks, Dan!

J

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> On Dec 21, 2016, at 4:53 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> Very nice!
> 
> 
> Dan Matyola
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> 
>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 4:59 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> This AM at the Sac. Ntl. Preserve.
>> 45% of the frame.
>> At, maybe, 100yds?
>> 
>> 150-450 hand held.
>> Chilly, fairly stiff breeze.
>> 
>> J
>> 
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Re: Peso-Sac. Eagle

[Jack Davis]

"Sac" ls an abbreviation of Sacramento.
J
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> On Dec 21, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Brian Walters  wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016, at 08:59 AM, Jack Davis wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> This AM at the Sac. Ntl. Preserve.
>> 45% of the frame.
>> At, maybe, 100yds?
>> 
>> 150-450 hand held.
>> Chilly, fairly stiff breeze.
> 
> 
> 
> Very nice - love those birds.
> 
> I think I'd crop a bit off the right - seems to be a lot of blank space
> out there.
> 
> I guess "Ntl" is 'National" but "Sac"??
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
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> 
> ++
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Re: Peso-Sac. Eagle

[Jack Davis]

Thanks, Brian! 
I cropped that based on the much touted "rule of thirds." A rule often
demanded by those seemingly offended by an image not adhering
to such. 
I basically agree with you.

J




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> On Dec 21, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Brian Walters  wrote:
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>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016, at 08:59 AM, Jack Davis wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> This AM at the Sac. Ntl. Preserve.
>> 45% of the frame.
>> At, maybe, 100yds?
>> 
>> 150-450 hand held.
>> Chilly, fairly stiff breeze.
> 
> 
> 
> Very nice - love those birds.
> 
> I think I'd crop a bit off the right - seems to be a lot of blank space
> out there.
> 
> I guess "Ntl" is 'National" but "Sac"??
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
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> 
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Re: PESO: Another Dog Picture

[Bill]

On 12/20/2016 5:51 AM, Carlos R wrote:

Very sorry to hear that, Bill. Nice dog and nice photo too.


Thanks Carlos.


Carlos

2016-12-18 17:39 GMT+01:00 Bill :


Five weeks ago, my Rottie was diagnosed with lymphoma. We had him put to
sleep last Tuesday.
This was taken in September while he was still healthy, and is one of the
last pictures I have of him.

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/addons/byebug.html

K1, 43mm LTD. f/2.2, 1/60th, ISO 6400.

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Re: PESO - Multitasking

[Bill]

On 12/21/2016 9:03 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

It's coffee o'clock ...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/31401153970/lightbox/

90% SFW. There's a sliver of nipple, but it's in b so that makes it
safe enough, no? :)

645z, dfa645 55mm/2.8, f/4, 1/15th sec, 800 ISO; handheld.
5' gridded stripbox, camera right.

Dane Halo, model, makeup, hair.



Damn, that's a fine photograph.

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Re: Peso-Sac. Eagle

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Very nice!


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On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 4:59 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:

>
>
> This AM at the Sac. Ntl. Preserve.
> 45% of the frame.
> At, maybe, 100yds?
>
> 150-450 hand held.
> Chilly, fairly stiff breeze.
>
> J
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Re: Peso-Sac. Eagle

[Brian Walters]

On Thu, Dec 22, 2016, at 08:59 AM, Jack Davis wrote:
> 
> 
> This AM at the Sac. Ntl. Preserve.
> 45% of the frame.
> At, maybe, 100yds?
> 
> 150-450 hand held.
> Chilly, fairly stiff breeze.



Very nice - love those birds.

I think I'd crop a bit off the right - seems to be a lot of blank space
out there.

I guess "Ntl" is 'National" but "Sac"??



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Re: Peso-Sac. Eagle

[Jack Davis]

Yes, and it was a "must have."

Thanks, Ken!

J

- Original Message -
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Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 3:38:50 PM
Subject: Re: Peso-Sac. Eagle

Nice crisp capture. You must have a good lens !


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>From: Jack Davis 
>Subject: Peso-Sac. Eagle
>
>
>
>This AM at the Sac. Ntl. Preserve.
>45% of the frame.
>At, maybe, 100yds?
>
>150-450 hand held.
>Chilly, fairly stiff breeze.
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>J
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Re: Peso-Sac. Eagle

[Ken Waller]

Nice crisp capture. You must have a good lens !


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>From: Jack Davis 
>Subject: Peso-Sac. Eagle
>
>
>
>This AM at the Sac. Ntl. Preserve.
>45% of the frame.
>At, maybe, 100yds?
>
>150-450 hand held.
>Chilly, fairly stiff breeze.
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Re: Happy birthday Jostein!

[Steve Cottrell]

Happy groundhog day ;-)

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Peso-Sac. Eagle

[Jack Davis]

This AM at the Sac. Ntl. Preserve.
45% of the frame.
At, maybe, 100yds?

150-450 hand held.
Chilly, fairly stiff breeze.

J

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Re: Happy birthday Jostein!

[Jostein]

Awww. Thanks guys!

Will do something about that lens thing. :-)

Jostein

Den 21.12.2016 19.36, skrev Marco Alpert:

What he said Paul said!

- Marco


On Dec 21, 2016, at 10:19 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:



Paul Stenquist wrote:

Hope you have a great day. Buy yourself a few lenses!


What he said!



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Re: Pirelli goes natural

[Bob W-PDML]

That paragraph beginning "So it gets critical acclaim..." is not what I wrote, 
but what I quoted. Somehow the quoting gets lost in the journey to or from the 
server. 

As I said, I quite like Lindbergh's style, and I like these pictures, but let's 
not get confused about their purpose.

B

> On 21 Dec 2016, at 20:38, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> Yup. Except I think you are a little over the top in your criticism. 
> 
> It is an art piece and a collectible, a part of what Pirelli does to foster 
> the brand. Whether it appeals to you or not is a matter of personal decision. 
> Lots of people collect them, and collect books printed as collections of them 
> (see Amazon.com, search for Pirelli calendar). 
> 
> I've seen one in the flesh. Nicely done printing, good paper, etc. The person 
> who owned it had a bunch of interesting calendars, the Pirelli was one of 
> them. It's what she collected, and got a lot of entertainment out of. Nothing 
> wrong with that.
> 
> "Pin-up girls" for the ordinary Joe (whoever that is)… passé since the 1950s. 
> I haven't seen such things in an actual motorcar or motorcycle shop since I 
> was old enough to go to such shops. That was fifty years ago… 
> 
> G
> 
> 
>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 12:22 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>> 
>> The calendar is a marketing gimmick. If they had stuck to standard garage 
>> wall fare nobody would pay any attention at all.
>> 
>> Several decades ago some smart ad man realised they could get an annual 
>> burst of cheap global publicity by confounding expectations. They do this by 
>> giving carte blanche to big name photographers. And it works.
>> 
>> This stuff is not for hanging in garages or museums, it's for middle-brow 
>> collectors to show their rich friends.
>> 
>> I happen to like Peter Lindbergh's style - I have one of his books - but 
>> he's just a talented fashion photographer. His photos are no more realistic 
>> depictions of 'real' women than are photos in Playboy - these women are all 
>> Hollywood stars (those I recognize, anyway) - his job is to sell an image of 
>> women that will make them go out and spend money on expensive trash.
>> 
>> So it gets critical acclaim from the usual suspects, and, a little more joy 
>> is sucked out of the life of some ordinary Joe, so Pirelli can make a 
>> stupid, and not particularly valid, post modern, point.
>> 
>> Pirelli aren't making a point, they're running an annual ad campaign. They 
>> don't give a shit about your ordinary Joe, or about women's empowerment and 
>> body image, they just want lots of media time for their brand, and they get 
>> it.
>> 
>> The "Calendar Girls" calendar did far more for women and for art than the 
>> Pirelli calendar ever did or ever will.
>> 
>> B
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Re: Pirelli goes natural

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Yup. Except I think you are a little over the top in your criticism. 

It is an art piece and a collectible, a part of what Pirelli does to foster the 
brand. Whether it appeals to you or not is a matter of personal decision. Lots 
of people collect them, and collect books printed as collections of them (see 
Amazon.com, search for Pirelli calendar). 

I've seen one in the flesh. Nicely done printing, good paper, etc. The person 
who owned it had a bunch of interesting calendars, the Pirelli was one of them. 
It's what she collected, and got a lot of entertainment out of. Nothing wrong 
with that.

"Pin-up girls" for the ordinary Joe (whoever that is)… passé since the 1950s. I 
haven't seen such things in an actual motorcar or motorcycle shop since I was 
old enough to go to such shops. That was fifty years ago… 

G


> On Dec 21, 2016, at 12:22 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> 
> The calendar is a marketing gimmick. If they had stuck to standard garage 
> wall fare nobody would pay any attention at all.
> 
> Several decades ago some smart ad man realised they could get an annual burst 
> of cheap global publicity by confounding expectations. They do this by giving 
> carte blanche to big name photographers. And it works.
> 
> This stuff is not for hanging in garages or museums, it's for middle-brow 
> collectors to show their rich friends.
> 
> I happen to like Peter Lindbergh's style - I have one of his books - but he's 
> just a talented fashion photographer. His photos are no more realistic 
> depictions of 'real' women than are photos in Playboy - these women are all 
> Hollywood stars (those I recognize, anyway) - his job is to sell an image of 
> women that will make them go out and spend money on expensive trash.
> 
> So it gets critical acclaim from the usual suspects, and, a little more joy 
> is sucked out of the life of some ordinary Joe, so Pirelli can make a stupid, 
> and not particularly valid, post modern, point.
> 
> Pirelli aren't making a point, they're running an annual ad campaign. They 
> don't give a shit about your ordinary Joe, or about women's empowerment and 
> body image, they just want lots of media time for their brand, and they get 
> it.
> 
> The "Calendar Girls" calendar did far more for women and for art than the 
> Pirelli calendar ever did or ever will.
> 
> B


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Re: Pirelli goes natural

[Bob W-PDML]

The calendar is a marketing gimmick. If they had stuck to standard garage wall 
fare nobody would pay any attention at all.

Several decades ago some smart ad man realised they could get an annual burst 
of cheap global publicity by confounding expectations. They do this by giving 
carte blanche to big name photographers. And it works.

This stuff is not for hanging in garages or museums, it's for middle-brow 
collectors to show their rich friends.

I happen to like Peter Lindbergh's style - I have one of his books - but he's 
just a talented fashion photographer. His photos are no more realistic 
depictions of 'real' women than are photos in Playboy - these women are all 
Hollywood stars (those I recognise, anyway) - his job is to sell an image of 
women that will make them go out and spend money on expensive trash.

So it gets critical acclaim from the usual suspects, and, a little more joy is 
sucked out of the life of some ordinary Joe, so Pirelli can make a stupid, and 
not particularly valid, post modern, point.

Pirelli aren't making a point, they're running an annual ad campaign. They 
don't give a shit about your ordinary Joe, or about women's empowerment and 
body image, they just want lots of media time for their brand, and they get it.

The "Calendar Girls" calendar did far more for women and for art than the 
Pirelli calendar ever did or ever will.

B

On 21 Dec 2016, at 13:49, P. J. Alling 
> wrote:

Not really, they lost their way with last years calendar, now they're wandering 
around in an open field trying to cater to their new art constituency.  Too bad 
it doesn't really exist.

It's a pinup calendar, the women in it aren't supposed to be real,  They're 
either a fantasy or idealized, depending on how charitable I want to be.

It's not like the people who approve, of this "more realistic" calendar are 
actually going to hang one on their wall,  and the guy, (and it is mostly 
guy's), who is going to hang one in their automobile repair bay are going to 
actually want this.

So it gets critical acclaim from the usual suspects, and, a little more joy is 
sucked out of the life of some ordinary Joe, so Pirelli can make a stupid, and 
not particularly valid, post modern, point.


On 12/21/2016 12:45 AM, Ken Waller wrote:
Sorry but the new calendar just doesn't cut it for me.
I much prefer the earlier editions of the calendar.
Its like Pirelli is asking me to like a bald worn out tire instead of one of 
their new super sticky P-Zeros.
I think they've lost their direction with this edition.

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - From: "Larry Colen" 
>
Subject: Pirelli goes natural


Peter Lindbergh shot this years Pirelli Calendar without using makeup or 
retouching.

https://www.fastcocreate.com/3066063/quick-hit/the-2017-pirelli-calendar-with-nicole-kidman-and-julianne-moore-is-raw-and-unretou

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Re: PESO - Multitasking

[Bob W-PDML]

Reading, drinking coffee and waiting for her laundry to dry, all at the same 
time? More than any man could achieve...

B

> On 21 Dec 2016, at 16:07, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> Nice shot, but don't think it is multitasking
> 
> ann
> 
> 
>> On 12/21/2016 10:03 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:
>> It's coffee o'clock ...
>> 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/31401153970/lightbox/
>> 
>> 90% SFW. There's a sliver of nipple, but it's in b so that makes it
>> safe enough, no? :)
>> 
>> 645z, dfa645 55mm/2.8, f/4, 1/15th sec, 800 ISO; handheld.
>> 5' gridded stripbox, camera right.
>> 
>> Dane Halo, model, makeup, hair.
>> 
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Re: PESO - Au Revoir Mr. Grock

[Bob W-PDML]

Not at all. - I also had to look him up. Interesting to see that Louis de Funes 
had an early uncredited appearance in the film.

> On 21 Dec 2016, at 14:57, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> It's actually a quartet to my eye... but I like Larry adding "Apterian trio" 
> to our lexicon
> 
> A nit - trim the bottom a smidgen and the right-hand side  - I found the blur 
> a bit distracting..
> 
> had to look up mr grock, which will probably disappoint Bob W
> 
> ann
> 
> 
>> On 12/21/2016 1:41 AM, Marco Alpert wrote:
>> Thanks, Larry!
>> 
>> - Marco
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 20, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Marco Alpert wrote:
 http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo16/peso39.html
 
 Comments, as always, welcomed.
>>> I love the way you used the photo on the wall to complete the Apertian trio.
>>> 
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Re: Pirelli goes natural

[Larry Colen]

Ken Waller wrote:

The calendars are instantly collectible works.

By who? I've never seen them any place but in garages.


I don't think I've ever seen a Pirelli calendar in the flesh. Over the 
years I've seen countless calendars of conventionally pretty girls 
holding tools in such a manner that it's obvious that nobody involved in 
the photo has even an inkling of a clue about car repair. Something I 
consider rather disappointing because I think women who know how to 
wrench are extra sexy.


The Pirelli calendar has long been a "fine art" version of the pinup 
calendar emphasizing art rather than bimbotude.




Perhaps they're venturing into something other than tires - snark, snark


Like the poster I have for Dunlop motorcycle tires:

If you've got the leather, we've got the rubber.






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- Original Message - From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" 
Subject: Re: Pirelli goes natural



I agree with Marco.

The Pirelli calendar is a piece of marcom collateral that serves the
dual function of promoting Pirelli (not necessarily their tires) as a
company that supports the development of art and the humanities as
well as provides a venue for photographers to exhibit their works.
They have focused on fashion and nudes for most of their history, last
year and this year mark an interesting departure as they reach into a
broader domain of photographic imagery. The calendars are instantly
collectible works.

Frankly, I doubt that many "car people" are even interested.

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On Dec 21, 2016, at 10:23 AM, Ken Waller  wrote:

You have to ask yourself what are they trying to do Promote their
tires, sell calendars or cater to older women.

The photos are obviously well done but I bet they don't sell as many
calendars as in years past - a lot of non car people have never
seen/heard of the Pirelli calendar.


-Original Message-

From: Marco Alpert 
Subject: Re: Pirelli goes natural

Couldn’t disagree more.

m


On Dec 20, 2016, at 9:45 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:

Sorry but the new calendar just doesn't cut it for me.
I much prefer the earlier editions of the calendar.
Its like Pirelli is asking me to like a bald worn out tire instead
of one of their new super sticky P-Zeros.
I think they've lost their direction with this edition.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - From: "Larry Colen" 
Subject: Pirelli goes natural



Peter Lindbergh shot this years Pirelli Calendar without using
makeup or retouching.

https://www.fastcocreate.com/3066063/quick-hit/the-2017-pirelli-calendar-with-nicole-kidman-and-julianne-moore-is-raw-and-unretou


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Re: Pirelli goes natural

[Zos Xavius]

LMAO. My thoughts exactly.

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 10:15 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> Are these the images? Really??
>
> Paul via phone
>
>> On Dec 20, 2016, at 9:59 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>>
>> Peter Lindbergh shot this years Pirelli Calendar without using makeup or 
>> retouching.
>>
>> https://www.fastcocreate.com/3066063/quick-hit/the-2017-pirelli-calendar-with-nicole-kidman-and-julianne-moore-is-raw-and-unretou
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Re: Pirelli goes natural

[Ken Waller]

The calendars are instantly collectible works.

By who? I've never seen them any place but in garages.

Perhaps they're venturing into something other than tires - snark, snark



Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" 

Subject: Re: Pirelli goes natural



I agree with Marco.

The Pirelli calendar is a piece of marcom collateral that serves the dual 
function of promoting Pirelli (not necessarily their tires) as a company 
that supports the development of art and the humanities as well as 
provides a venue for photographers to exhibit their works. They have 
focused on fashion and nudes for most of their history, last year and this 
year mark an interesting departure as they reach into a broader domain of 
photographic imagery. The calendars are instantly collectible works.


Frankly, I doubt that many "car people" are even interested.

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On Dec 21, 2016, at 10:23 AM, Ken Waller  wrote:

You have to ask yourself what are they trying to do Promote their 
tires, sell calendars or cater to older women.


The photos are obviously well done but I bet they don't sell as many 
calendars as in years past - a lot of non car people have never 
seen/heard of the Pirelli calendar.



-Original Message-

From: Marco Alpert 
Subject: Re: Pirelli goes natural

Couldn’t disagree more.

m


On Dec 20, 2016, at 9:45 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:

Sorry but the new calendar just doesn't cut it for me.
I much prefer the earlier editions of the calendar.
Its like Pirelli is asking me to like a bald worn out tire instead of 
one of their new super sticky P-Zeros.

I think they've lost their direction with this edition.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - From: "Larry Colen" 
Subject: Pirelli goes natural


Peter Lindbergh shot this years Pirelli Calendar without using makeup 
or retouching.


https://www.fastcocreate.com/3066063/quick-hit/the-2017-pirelli-calendar-with-nicole-kidman-and-julianne-moore-is-raw-and-unretou

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Re: Pirelli goes natural

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I agree with Marco. 

The Pirelli calendar is a piece of marcom collateral that serves the dual 
function of promoting Pirelli (not necessarily their tires) as a company that 
supports the development of art and the humanities as well as provides a venue 
for photographers to exhibit their works. They have focused on fashion and 
nudes for most of their history, last year and this year mark an interesting 
departure as they reach into a broader domain of photographic imagery. The 
calendars are instantly collectible works. 

Frankly, I doubt that many "car people" are even interested. 

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> On Dec 21, 2016, at 10:23 AM, Ken Waller  wrote:
> 
> You have to ask yourself what are they trying to do Promote their tires, 
> sell calendars or cater to older women.
> 
> The photos are obviously well done but I bet they don't sell as many 
> calendars as in years past - a lot of non car people have never seen/heard of 
> the Pirelli calendar.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
>> From: Marco Alpert 
>> Subject: Re: Pirelli goes natural
>> 
>> Couldn’t disagree more.
>> 
>> m
>> 
>>> On Dec 20, 2016, at 9:45 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sorry but the new calendar just doesn't cut it for me.
>>> I much prefer the earlier editions of the calendar.
>>> Its like Pirelli is asking me to like a bald worn out tire instead of one 
>>> of their new super sticky P-Zeros.
>>> I think they've lost their direction with this edition.
>>> 
>>> Kenneth Waller
>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Larry Colen" 
>>> Subject: Pirelli goes natural
>>> 
>>> 
 Peter Lindbergh shot this years Pirelli Calendar without using makeup or 
 retouching.
 
 https://www.fastcocreate.com/3066063/quick-hit/the-2017-pirelli-calendar-with-nicole-kidman-and-julianne-moore-is-raw-and-unretou
 
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Re: Happy birthday Jostein!

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What he said Paul said!

- Marco

> On Dec 21, 2016, at 10:19 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
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> 
> 
> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> Hope you have a great day. Buy yourself a few lenses!
> 
> What he said!
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Re: Pirelli goes natural

[Ken Waller]

And their tires aren't as good as Michellin's- so there !


-Original Message-
>From: "P. J. Alling" 
>Subject: Re: Pirelli goes natural
>
>Not really, they lost their way with last years calendar, now they're 
>wandering around in an open field trying to cater to their new art 
>constituency.  Too bad it doesn't really exist.
>
>It's a pinup calendar, the women in it aren't supposed to be real,  
>They're either a fantasy or idealized, depending on how charitable I 
>want to be.
>
>It's not like the people who approve, of this "more realistic" calendar 
>are actually going to hang one on their wall,  and the guy, (and it is 
>mostly guy's), who is going to hang one in their automobile repair bay 
>are going to actually want this.
>
>So it gets critical acclaim from the usual suspects, and, a little more 
>joy is sucked out of the life of some ordinary Joe, so Pirelli can make 
>a stupid, and not particularly valid, post modern, point.
>
>
>On 12/21/2016 12:45 AM, Ken Waller wrote:
>> Sorry but the new calendar just doesn't cut it for me.
>> I much prefer the earlier editions of the calendar.
>> Its like Pirelli is asking me to like a bald worn out tire instead of 
>> one of their new super sticky P-Zeros.
>> I think they've lost their direction with this edition.
>>
>> Kenneth Waller
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Larry Colen" 
>> Subject: Pirelli goes natural
>>
>>
>>> Peter Lindbergh shot this years Pirelli Calendar without using makeup 
>>> or retouching.
>>>
>>> https://www.fastcocreate.com/3066063/quick-hit/the-2017-pirelli-calendar-with-nicole-kidman-and-julianne-moore-is-raw-and-unretou
>>>  
>>>
>>>
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Re: Pirelli goes natural

[Ken Waller]

You have to ask yourself what are they trying to do Promote their tires, 
sell calendars or cater to older women.

The photos are obviously well done but I bet they don't sell as many calendars 
as in years past - a lot of non car people have never seen/heard of the Pirelli 
calendar.


-Original Message-
>From: Marco Alpert 
>Subject: Re: Pirelli goes natural
>
>Couldn’t disagree more.
>
>m
>
>> On Dec 20, 2016, at 9:45 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
>> 
>> Sorry but the new calendar just doesn't cut it for me.
>> I much prefer the earlier editions of the calendar.
>> Its like Pirelli is asking me to like a bald worn out tire instead of one of 
>> their new super sticky P-Zeros.
>> I think they've lost their direction with this edition.
>> 
>> Kenneth Waller
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Larry Colen" 
>> Subject: Pirelli goes natural
>> 
>> 
>>> Peter Lindbergh shot this years Pirelli Calendar without using makeup or 
>>> retouching.
>>> 
>>> https://www.fastcocreate.com/3066063/quick-hit/the-2017-pirelli-calendar-with-nicole-kidman-and-julianne-moore-is-raw-and-unretou
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Re: Happy birthday Jostein!

[Larry Colen]

Paul Stenquist wrote:

Hope you have a great day. Buy yourself a few lenses!


What he said!



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Re: PESO - Multitasking

[Ken Waller]

Great subject/pose, very nice lighting... What's not to like?


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>Subject: PESO - Multitasking
>
>It's coffee o'clock ...
>
>https://www.flickr.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/31401153970/lightbox/
>
>90% SFW. There's a sliver of nipple, but it's in b so that makes it
>safe enough, no? :)
>
>645z, dfa645 55mm/2.8, f/4, 1/15th sec, 800 ISO; handheld.
>5' gridded stripbox, camera right.
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Re: Happy birthday Jostein!

[Boris Liberman]

Many happy returns, Mister J :-).

All the way to 120 and beyond!

Boris

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Re: PESO - Multitasking

[Zos Xavius]

I think I could help her multitask more. ;)

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> It's coffee o'clock ...
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/31401153970/lightbox/
>
> 90% SFW. There's a sliver of nipple, but it's in b so that makes it
> safe enough, no? :)
>
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Re: PESO - Multitasking

[ann sanfedele]

Nice shot, but don't think it is multitasking

ann


On 12/21/2016 10:03 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

It's coffee o'clock ...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/31401153970/lightbox/

90% SFW. There's a sliver of nipple, but it's in b so that makes it
safe enough, no? :)

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Re: PESO - Multitasking

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On 21/12/16, Bruce Walker, discombobulated, unleashed:

>It's coffee o'clock ...
>
>https://www.flickr.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/31401153970/lightbox/
>
>90% SFW. There's a sliver of nipple, but it's in b so that makes it
>safe enough, no? :)
>
>645z, dfa645 55mm/2.8, f/4, 1/15th sec, 800 ISO; handheld.
>5' gridded stripbox, camera right.
>
>Dane Halo, model, makeup, hair.

Superb. Just right. Delicate lighting and great pose.

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PESO - Multitasking

[Bruce Walker]

It's coffee o'clock ...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/31401153970/lightbox/

90% SFW. There's a sliver of nipple, but it's in b so that makes it
safe enough, no? :)

645z, dfa645 55mm/2.8, f/4, 1/15th sec, 800 ISO; handheld.
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Re: PESO - keeping warm

[Bruce Walker]

I agree with your nitpick. :) Sadly, I didn't have any better frames
from the sequence.

Thanks, Paul.

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 12:08 PM, Paul in MKE  wrote:
> Very nice. Nitpicking a little though...The position of her left foot
> bothers me.  There's no definition between her ankle and her foot, making it
> look like her toes are connected directly to her leg.
>
> -p
>
>
> On 12/20/2016 8:55 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:
>>
>> A seasonally (north of the equator, anyway) flavoured shot ...
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/31607106612/lightbox/
>>
>> Surprisingly SFW.
>>
>> 645z, dfa645 55mm/2.8, f/4, 1/15th sec, 800 ISO; handheld.
>> 5' gridded stripbox, camera right.
>>
>> Dane Halo, model, makeup, hair.
>>
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Re: PESO - Au Revoir Mr. Grock

[ann sanfedele]

It's actually a quartet to my eye... but I like Larry adding "Apterian 
trio" to our lexicon


A nit - trim the bottom a smidgen and the right-hand side  - I found the 
blur a bit distracting..


had to look up mr grock, which will probably disappoint Bob W

ann


On 12/21/2016 1:41 AM, Marco Alpert wrote:

Thanks, Larry!

- Marco



On Dec 20, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:

Marco Alpert wrote:

http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo16/peso39.html

Comments, as always, welcomed.

I love the way you used the photo on the wall to complete the Apertian trio.


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Re: PESO - keeping warm

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I appreciate that, Dan.

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> Very nice portrait in all respects.
>
>
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> On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Bruce Walker 
> wrote:
>
>> A seasonally (north of the equator, anyway) flavoured shot ...
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/31607106612/lightbox/
>>
>> Surprisingly SFW.
>>
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Re: PESO - keeping warm

[Bruce Walker]

Thank you, Paul!

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Paul Stenquist
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> Beautiful. Wonderful light and a great look from the model.
> Paul
>> On Dec 20, 2016, at 10:11 AM, Ken Waller  wrote:
>>
>> Just Wow ! Very inviting.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Bruce Walker 
>>> Subject: PESO - keeping warm
>>>
>>> A seasonally (north of the equator, anyway) flavoured shot ...
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/31607106612/lightbox/
>>>
>>> Surprisingly SFW.
>>>
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Re: PESO - keeping warm

[Bruce Walker]

Thank you very much, Ken.

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Ken Waller  wrote:
> Just Wow ! Very inviting.
>
>
> -Original Message-
>>From: Bruce Walker 
>>Subject: PESO - keeping warm
>>
>>A seasonally (north of the equator, anyway) flavoured shot ...
>>
>>https://www.flickr.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/31607106612/lightbox/
>>
>>Surprisingly SFW.
>>
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Re: OT: An Unusual Photo Essay

[P. J. Alling]

What no Liver, Fava Beans and Chianti?


On 12/21/2016 9:46 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/laurasilver/a-photographer-has-recreated-all-the-last-meals-of-prisoners?utm_term=.ytzD11e2b_medium=email_campaign=News%20-%201221%20Wednesday_content=News%20-%201221%20Wednesday+CID_403127c9fff187be4f70bcd128970d1f_source=BuzzFeed%20Newsletters#.gq9500W3d

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OT: An Unusual Photo Essay

[Daniel J. Matyola]

https://www.buzzfeed.com/laurasilver/a-photographer-has-recreated-all-the-last-meals-of-prisoners?utm_term=.ytzD11e2b_medium=email_campaign=News%20-%201221%20Wednesday_content=News%20-%201221%20Wednesday+CID_403127c9fff187be4f70bcd128970d1f_source=BuzzFeed%20Newsletters#.gq9500W3d

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Re: PESO: The Scottish Girl

[ann sanfedele]

What Marco said

ann (a partly Scottish girl)


On 12/20/2016 2:04 PM, Marco Alpert wrote:

Really lovely.

- Marco


On Dec 20, 2016, at 10:31 AM, Gonz  wrote:

Trying out a Cosina 50mm 1.2.  Has a warmer cast than the Pentax
equivalent, but I really like the bokeh.

wide open.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/66982297@N02/31729602586/in/dateposted-public/

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Re: Pirelli goes natural

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I never got beyond the phrase "emotional nakedness."

Too "artsy" for me.

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On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 12:45 AM, Ken Waller  wrote:

> Sorry but the new calendar just doesn't cut it for me.
> I much prefer the earlier editions of the calendar.
> Its like Pirelli is asking me to like a bald worn out tire instead of one
> of their new super sticky P-Zeros.
> I think they've lost their direction with this edition.
>
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>
> - Original Message - From: "Larry Colen" 
> Subject: Pirelli goes natural
>
>
> Peter Lindbergh shot this years Pirelli Calendar without using makeup or
>> retouching.
>>
>> https://www.fastcocreate.com/3066063/quick-hit/the-2017-pire
>> lli-calendar-with-nicole-kidman-and-julianne-moore-is-raw-and-unretou
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Happy birthday Jostein!

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Hope you have a great day. Buy yourself a few lenses!

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Re: Pirelli goes natural

[P. J. Alling]

Not really, they lost their way with last years calendar, now they're 
wandering around in an open field trying to cater to their new art 
constituency.  Too bad it doesn't really exist.


It's a pinup calendar, the women in it aren't supposed to be real,  
They're either a fantasy or idealized, depending on how charitable I 
want to be.


It's not like the people who approve, of this "more realistic" calendar 
are actually going to hang one on their wall,  and the guy, (and it is 
mostly guy's), who is going to hang one in their automobile repair bay 
are going to actually want this.


So it gets critical acclaim from the usual suspects, and, a little more 
joy is sucked out of the life of some ordinary Joe, so Pirelli can make 
a stupid, and not particularly valid, post modern, point.



On 12/21/2016 12:45 AM, Ken Waller wrote:

Sorry but the new calendar just doesn't cut it for me.
I much prefer the earlier editions of the calendar.
Its like Pirelli is asking me to like a bald worn out tire instead of 
one of their new super sticky P-Zeros.

I think they've lost their direction with this edition.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - From: "Larry Colen" 
Subject: Pirelli goes natural


Peter Lindbergh shot this years Pirelli Calendar without using makeup 
or retouching.


https://www.fastcocreate.com/3066063/quick-hit/the-2017-pirelli-calendar-with-nicole-kidman-and-julianne-moore-is-raw-and-unretou 



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Re: Portraits of Women on the Job!

[Mark Stringer]

Here is another impressive young woman.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BMcbCnZDntQ/?taken-by=maegenwellsguitars

kind of her story in a nutshell. Would love one of her creations. 
Beautiful photography on her website. www.maegenwellsguitars.com


On 12/20/2016 9:38 AM, Christine Aguila wrote:

Just thought everyone would enjoy these amazing portraits of women working in 
traditional men’s jobs.  Outstanding photography here!  Just love it!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/12-stunning-photos-that-prove-theres-no-such-thing-as-mens-work_us_58531c10e4b0b3ddfd8bea7e

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Re: Pirelli goes natural

[Mark Stringer]

I say lets vote on it.  Like or dislike but each vote must be 
accompanied by the voter's age.

I like it...66


On 12/21/2016 1:28 AM, Marco Alpert wrote:

Couldn’t disagree more.

m


On Dec 20, 2016, at 9:45 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:

Sorry but the new calendar just doesn't cut it for me.
I much prefer the earlier editions of the calendar.
Its like Pirelli is asking me to like a bald worn out tire instead of one of 
their new super sticky P-Zeros.
I think they've lost their direction with this edition.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - From: "Larry Colen" 
Subject: Pirelli goes natural



Peter Lindbergh shot this years Pirelli Calendar without using makeup or 
retouching.

https://www.fastcocreate.com/3066063/quick-hit/the-2017-pirelli-calendar-with-nicole-kidman-and-julianne-moore-is-raw-and-unretou

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Re: OSX and externals

[David J Brooks]

thanks all, refomatted

Dave

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 12:35 AM, Philip Northeast
 wrote:
> I always reformat, why add complications?
>
> Philip Northeast
>
> www.aviewfinderdarkly.com.au
>
>
> On 21/12/16 4:23 pm, David Mann wrote:
>>
>> Yep, I'd also say to reformat.  That way you could also set it up as a
>> Time Machine backup, and you won't be dependent on a 3rd-party driver which
>> may or may not be updated with future OS X revisions.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Dave
>>
>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 5:12 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>>>
>>> sounds like reformat is the answer, aff to do so
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Paul Stenquist 
>>> wrote:

 I reformat. Always.

 Paul via phone

> On Dec 20, 2016, at 10:57 AM, David J Brooks 
> wrote:
>
> Just bought and installed a Seagate 1TB external that was on sale for
> $89 Canadian. It says it will work on Macs with out having to reformat
> by downloading and installing a program from Seagate which i did. Does
> anyone else go this route or do you just reformat the drive
>
> Dave
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Re: E-mail problems again

[Jack Davis]

Thanks much, Malcolm!
Look forward to more contacts on
the other side. Best!

J

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> On Dec 21, 2016, at 1:53 AM, Malcolm Smith  wrote:
> 
> For some reason, most of my outgoing e-mail seems to be either delayed or
> simply not going out at all, today seems a better day.
> 
> 
> 
> We have family over until the new year, and so I'll wish you all the best
> for the holidays and the new year now, and have a go at sorting this problem
> out early next year.
> 
> 
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E-mail problems again

[Malcolm Smith]

For some reason, most of my outgoing e-mail seems to be either delayed or
simply not going out at all, today seems a better day.

 

We have family over until the new year, and so I'll wish you all the best
for the holidays and the new year now, and have a go at sorting this problem
out early next year.

 

Malcolm

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