PESO: More water.

[Bill]

I shot this in Sept 2018 at my annual shoot Wilson Creek vacation.
This is with the A* 85/1.4 set to f/5.6 on the K1.
It's a 17 layer stack of 8 second pixel shifted images.
It's 10 minutes of my life that I will never get back.

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/wilson193.html

enjoy

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Re: Stupid Adobe Question

[Bruce Walker]

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 8:50 PM Bill  wrote:
>
> On 4/2/2020 7:34 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:
> > Larry, much of it is in incremental refinements, and much of it is
> > under the hood. Speedups in all operations mean it handles my 645Z
> > files with ease. Faster previews and fewer delays when navigating
> > them.
> >
> > Lr uses the GPU now. You can add an external GPU module and get more
> > speed. Lr also makes more use of multi-CPUs. I can now do dodge
> > with adjustment brushes for portrait retouching. (If I tried in that
> > in old Lr it would kill the performance and wasn't practical.)  I can
> > avoid edits in Ps for more things.
> >
>
> My biggest complaint right now is that the older software seems to run
> very slowly. I have a pretty good machine, but some of what I am asking
> it to do seems like 1997 all over again.

Then you will be pleasantly surprised by Lr Classic CC.

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Re: Stupid Adobe Question

[Bill]

On 4/2/2020 7:34 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Larry, much of it is in incremental refinements, and much of it is
under the hood. Speedups in all operations mean it handles my 645Z
files with ease. Faster previews and fewer delays when navigating
them.

Lr uses the GPU now. You can add an external GPU module and get more
speed. Lr also makes more use of multi-CPUs. I can now do dodge
with adjustment brushes for portrait retouching. (If I tried in that
in old Lr it would kill the performance and wasn't practical.)  I can
avoid edits in Ps for more things.



My biggest complaint right now is that the older software seems to run 
very slowly. I have a pretty good machine, but some of what I am asking 
it to do seems like 1997 all over again.


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P-TTL flash.

[P. J. Alling]

I keep thinking of upgrading my flash capabilities, especially as my 
older flashes keep dying...


While doing my research I a flash that's flown completely under my radar.

The Godox TT 350p, also sold by Adorama under the Flashpoint brand.

It looks really good for the money, for about half of the cost of a 
AF201FG you get 75% greater output, (than a AT201FG), a claimed 1 - 2.2 
second recycle time, full manual control, a built in radio controller 
for up to three groups of other Godox flashes, full Pentax P-TTL 
compatibility, and unlike the other third party flashes, at least 
according to the reviews I've read you don't sacrifice reliability, (I'm 
looking at your Yongnuo), or recycle times, (everybody else except Metz. 
and if you're buying Metz you might as well be buying Pentax as far as 
cost is concerned).


Has anyone else used one of these units, or will I be the first.

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Re: Stupid Adobe Question

[Bruce Walker]

Yes, that's true, Godfrey. Adobe muddied the waters considerably by
renaming "old" Lightroom to Lightroom Classic CC and added this
multi-platform Lightroom CC app.

I had a quick look at it and determined it's a toy of no use to me. I
never do quick edits on my iPad which is about its limit. Can't
anyway: a single 645Z file would bring it entirely to its knees. They
didn't think this idea through, is my conclusion.

I mainly use Lr Classic CC but when I need it, I use Photoshop CC
intensely and deeply. It's a Swiss Army Knife, extremely useful,
flexible, and sharp. But complicated. Thank goodness for Google and
Youtube. :-)

BTW, Lr Classic CC leverages the cloud too. There are some features
that sync out via the cloud, and you can sync images in your Portfolio
space directly from Lr folders. There's a freebie storage space you
can use to show friends and family too; I forget what that's called,
but it's potentially useful for a social-media replacement (more
private than Facebook or Instagram).

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 1:46 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>
> There is a distinction to be made: Lightroom Classic is the "old way", 
> desktop-based Lightroom with some Cloud service stuff added on that you can 
> choose to use or not. Lightroom CC is the "new way" of cloud-based 
> "operations from everywhere". Adobe wants to get people onto LRCC but it's 
> not quite up to the feature and capability level of LR Classic as yet.
>
> I use LR Classic. It works reasonably well, I'm reasonably happy, and I have 
> nothing other than the monthly $10 subscription fee. I continue the search 
> for what to replace it with when Adobe constrains what I can do to being 
> their Cloud only products. I have no need for Photoshop or any of the other 
> tools in their suite at this point.
>
> G
>
> > On Apr 2, 2020, at 6:41 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> >
> > Alan, there are no Cloud operations unless you specifically perform
> > them. All the software is installed on your workstation (or tablet).
> > All your files are local to your workstation too.
> >
> > The "cloud" thing is largely a Marketing hype buzzword. What Cloud
> > gives you is the optional ability to sync your settings, previews, and
> > various other data like fonts, brushes, tools and such to other
> > places, like your laptop, a tablet, etc.
> >
> > Really it's just a software subscription instead of a one time
> > payment. You get periodic (quite regular, in fact) updates (features
> > and fixes) with the ability to roll back or even run multiple versions
> > at the same time if you want to.
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 5:36 AM Alan C  wrote:
> >>
> >> What about data costs if you are operating in cloud?
> >>
> >> Alan C
> >>
> >> On 02-Apr-20 05:34 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> >>> LR Classic has several additional additional Develop module niceties, 
> >>> like the haze filter.
> >>>
> >>> G
> >>>
>  On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:23 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
>  What are the advances to lightroom?
> >>
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Re: Stupid Adobe Question

[Bruce Walker]

Ken, if you cancel, after a short time Ps will stop saving files. Or
it just won't fully launch, I am not sure which of those. "Short time"
is a few weeks I believe.

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 12:31 PM Ken Waller  wrote:
>
>
> Thanks Bruce, I’m in a similar situation since my PC went belly up and my new 
> machine with windows 10 apparently won’t accept the ‘new’ CS4 I have.
>
> What happens to PS if after some time on subscription, I cancel the 
> subscription ?
>
> -Original Message-
> >From: Bruce Walker 
> >Sent: Apr 2, 2020 9:41 AM
> >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> >Subject: Re: Stupid Adobe Question
> >
> >Alan, there are no Cloud operations unless you specifically perform
> >them. All the software is installed on your workstation (or tablet).
> >All your files are local to your workstation too.
> >
> >The "cloud" thing is largely a Marketing hype buzzword. What Cloud
> >gives you is the optional ability to sync your settings, previews, and
> >various other data like fonts, brushes, tools and such to other
> >places, like your laptop, a tablet, etc.
> >
> >Really it's just a software subscription instead of a one time
> >payment. You get periodic (quite regular, in fact) updates (features
> >and fixes) with the ability to roll back or even run multiple versions
> >at the same time if you want to.
> >
> >On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 5:36 AM Alan C  wrote:
> >>
> >> What about data costs if you are operating in cloud?
> >>
> >> Alan C
> >>
> >> On 02-Apr-20 05:34 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> >> > LR Classic has several additional additional Develop module niceties, 
> >> > like the haze filter.
> >> >
> >> > G
> >> >
> >> >> On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:23 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> What are the advances to lightroom?
> >>
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Re: Q1 faves

[Larry Colen]

> On Mar 31, 2020, at 12:42 AM, Alan C  wrote:
> 
> You're probably right. I'll look out for it!

The way top posting messes up conversation flow can be interesting at times.

In any case, I didn’t get any great shots the other day, but I did spend a 
little time wandering around the job site (in Carmel CA, next to the Carmel 
river) after everyone else left. I got a few decent photos of birds.  I think 
house finch, sparrows, scrub jay, crows and a dove.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72157713721438866


> 
> Alan C
> 
> On 31-Mar-20 08:48 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
>> The best way to guarantee that I get an awesome photo tomorrow is probably 
>> to post my Q1 2020 faves album tonight:
>> 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157712741596942/
>> 
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Re: Stupid Adobe Question

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

There is a distinction to be made: Lightroom Classic is the "old way", 
desktop-based Lightroom with some Cloud service stuff added on that you can 
choose to use or not. Lightroom CC is the "new way" of cloud-based "operations 
from everywhere". Adobe wants to get people onto LRCC but it's not quite up to 
the feature and capability level of LR Classic as yet. 

I use LR Classic. It works reasonably well, I'm reasonably happy, and I have 
nothing other than the monthly $10 subscription fee. I continue the search for 
what to replace it with when Adobe constrains what I can do to being their 
Cloud only products. I have no need for Photoshop or any of the other tools in 
their suite at this point. 

G

> On Apr 2, 2020, at 6:41 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> 
> Alan, there are no Cloud operations unless you specifically perform
> them. All the software is installed on your workstation (or tablet).
> All your files are local to your workstation too.
> 
> The "cloud" thing is largely a Marketing hype buzzword. What Cloud
> gives you is the optional ability to sync your settings, previews, and
> various other data like fonts, brushes, tools and such to other
> places, like your laptop, a tablet, etc.
> 
> Really it's just a software subscription instead of a one time
> payment. You get periodic (quite regular, in fact) updates (features
> and fixes) with the ability to roll back or even run multiple versions
> at the same time if you want to.
> 
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 5:36 AM Alan C  wrote:
>> 
>> What about data costs if you are operating in cloud?
>> 
>> Alan C
>> 
>> On 02-Apr-20 05:34 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>>> LR Classic has several additional additional Develop module niceties, like 
>>> the haze filter.
>>> 
>>> G
>>> 
 On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:23 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
 
 What are the advances to lightroom?
>> 
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Re: Stupid Adobe Question

[Ken Waller]

Thanks Bruce, I’m in a similar situation since my PC went belly up and my new 
machine with windows 10 apparently won’t accept the ‘new’ CS4 I have.

What happens to PS if after some time on subscription, I cancel the 
subscription ?

-Original Message-
>From: Bruce Walker 
>Sent: Apr 2, 2020 9:41 AM
>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>Subject: Re: Stupid Adobe Question
>
>Alan, there are no Cloud operations unless you specifically perform
>them. All the software is installed on your workstation (or tablet).
>All your files are local to your workstation too.
>
>The "cloud" thing is largely a Marketing hype buzzword. What Cloud
>gives you is the optional ability to sync your settings, previews, and
>various other data like fonts, brushes, tools and such to other
>places, like your laptop, a tablet, etc.
>
>Really it's just a software subscription instead of a one time
>payment. You get periodic (quite regular, in fact) updates (features
>and fixes) with the ability to roll back or even run multiple versions
>at the same time if you want to.
>
>On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 5:36 AM Alan C  wrote:
>>
>> What about data costs if you are operating in cloud?
>>
>> Alan C
>>
>> On 02-Apr-20 05:34 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>> > LR Classic has several additional additional Develop module niceties, like 
>> > the haze filter.
>> >
>> > G
>> >
>> >> On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:23 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> What are the advances to lightroom?
>>
>>
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Re: GESO 2020 - Pinholica FauxPolaroidica! 040-045 - GDG

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Not bad at att!  Interesting effect.

Dan Matyola
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On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 10:17 AM Godfrey DiGiorgi 
wrote:

> Hallo,
>
> I'm still in the "play and learn" phase of ownership with the Hasselblad
> 907x. One amusing thought that came to me the other day was "What if I fit
> the Leica M to Hasselblad X adapter, and then stick the Skink Pinhole with
> Zone Plate f/71 disk on it?" I wondered how the Live View and electronic
> shutter would work.
>
> I set the camera up and looked at the LCD. Hmm. ISO 3200 and I can only
> see things if I'm out in sunlight. Eshutter limited to 1 second exposures …
> Oh well, I'll just use Bulb. And, eh?, all the exposures are going to be
> several if not tens of seconds, let's just try hand-held… LOL!
>
> So off I went around the condo looking at Things In Place… Most exposures
> were between 3 and 8 seconds, many were simply discarded, but I found six
> out of the bunch that I thought were amusing enough to show. And then I
> thought, "These are way too low-fi to present in a big image … they kinda
> look like Polaroid shots in a way … Hmm, I can use the Shake-It Photo app
> on the iPhone to work them into a Polaroid SX-70 frame …" So I did.
>
>   https://flic.kr/s/aHsmMkxWgS
>
> Don't laugh at me too much. :-)
>
> enjoy!
> G
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GESO 2020 - Pinholica FauxPolaroidica! 040-045 - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Hallo, 

I'm still in the "play and learn" phase of ownership with the Hasselblad 907x. 
One amusing thought that came to me the other day was "What if I fit the Leica 
M to Hasselblad X adapter, and then stick the Skink Pinhole with Zone Plate 
f/71 disk on it?" I wondered how the Live View and electronic shutter would 
work. 

I set the camera up and looked at the LCD. Hmm. ISO 3200 and I can only see 
things if I'm out in sunlight. Eshutter limited to 1 second exposures … Oh 
well, I'll just use Bulb. And, eh?, all the exposures are going to be several 
if not tens of seconds, let's just try hand-held… LOL! 

So off I went around the condo looking at Things In Place… Most exposures were 
between 3 and 8 seconds, many were simply discarded, but I found six out of the 
bunch that I thought were amusing enough to show. And then I thought, "These 
are way too low-fi to present in a big image … they kinda look like Polaroid 
shots in a way … Hmm, I can use the Shake-It Photo app on the iPhone to work 
them into a Polaroid SX-70 frame …" So I did. 

  https://flic.kr/s/aHsmMkxWgS

Don't laugh at me too much. :-)

enjoy!
G
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Re: Stupid Adobe Question

[Bruce Walker]

Alan, there are no Cloud operations unless you specifically perform
them. All the software is installed on your workstation (or tablet).
All your files are local to your workstation too.

The "cloud" thing is largely a Marketing hype buzzword. What Cloud
gives you is the optional ability to sync your settings, previews, and
various other data like fonts, brushes, tools and such to other
places, like your laptop, a tablet, etc.

Really it's just a software subscription instead of a one time
payment. You get periodic (quite regular, in fact) updates (features
and fixes) with the ability to roll back or even run multiple versions
at the same time if you want to.

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 5:36 AM Alan C  wrote:
>
> What about data costs if you are operating in cloud?
>
> Alan C
>
> On 02-Apr-20 05:34 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> > LR Classic has several additional additional Develop module niceties, like 
> > the haze filter.
> >
> > G
> >
> >> On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:23 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> >>
> >> What are the advances to lightroom?
>
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Re: Stupid Adobe Question

[Bruce Walker]

Larry, much of it is in incremental refinements, and much of it is
under the hood. Speedups in all operations mean it handles my 645Z
files with ease. Faster previews and fewer delays when navigating
them.

Lr uses the GPU now. You can add an external GPU module and get more
speed. Lr also makes more use of multi-CPUs. I can now do dodge
with adjustment brushes for portrait retouching. (If I tried in that
in old Lr it would kill the performance and wasn't practical.)  I can
avoid edits in Ps for more things.

The feature advances most visible to me are things like:
Profiles (including LUTs). Profiles are a complete reworking of the
colour correction and handling.
Radial gradients.
Texture slider, which is a refinement of (addition to) the Clarity
slider (like "structure" in Nik). Increase texture for grit, or soften
it for portraits (skin).
The dehaze slider is magic. I use it in negative to add mist to some shots.
Transform has a Full button which is sometimes astounding to use. Will
straighten a shot subtly and Just Fix It.

Plenty of other stuff too, but these are many of the highlights for me.

On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 10:23 PM Larry Colen  wrote:
>
>
> > On Apr 1, 2020, at 12:51 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Once I got over my snit with the subscription concept, I'm very happy
> > with the CC package. Recent features in Ps and Lr are the bees knees
> > and save me huge amounts of work, especially things like cloning out
> > random distracting objects. I'm also really digging LUTs for colour
> > grading in both Lr and Ps. (You can make a fancy LUT in Ps then import
> > it into Lr and avoid sending shots out to Ps purely to tone them if
> > you have a batch to do. It's a bit involved, but worth the effort in
> > many cases.)
> >
> > HTH, Bill.
>
> What are the advances to lightroom?
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Re: Stupid Adobe Question

[Paul Stenquist]

I finally had to go to the $10 cloud version so I could upgrade OSX for some 
other apps. I love the latest version of PS. Selecting and cloning tools are 
much improved over PS6. It’s just as fast and convenient as installed software.

Paul

> On Apr 1, 2020, at 10:18 PM, Bill  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Bruce, that is exactly the information I was looking for.
> 
> bill
> 
>> On 4/1/2020 1:51 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
>> Bill queried:
>>> 
>>> My stupid question is this: Are the versions of Photoshop and Lightroom
>>> in the 10 dollar offer the same ones in the 31 dollar offer?
>> The software is completely the same. The features and frequency of
>> updates are also the same.
>> I subscribe to the ten buck option because (a) I'm cheap, and (b) I
>> don't need any off-site space. Most of the other odds and ends in the
>> "Photoshop" plan is in the $10 one too, like Portfolio (I don't use
>> it), and Fonts (I should be using it).
>> The Creative Cloud application controls what is installed or not, and
>> lets you downgrade to prior versions if something fucks up. (I am
>> currently running one Ps version behind because they broke some
>> crucial plugins with the latest.)
>> Once I got over my snit with the subscription concept, I'm very happy
>> with the CC package. Recent features in Ps and Lr are the bees knees
>> and save me huge amounts of work, especially things like cloning out
>> random distracting objects. I'm also really digging LUTs for colour
>> grading in both Lr and Ps. (You can make a fancy LUT in Ps then import
>> it into Lr and avoid sending shots out to Ps purely to tone them if
>> you have a batch to do. It's a bit involved, but worth the effort in
>> many cases.)
>> HTH, Bill.
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Re: Stupid Adobe Question

[Alan C]

What about data costs if you are operating in cloud?

Alan C

On 02-Apr-20 05:34 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

LR Classic has several additional additional Develop module niceties, like the 
haze filter.

G


On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:23 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:

What are the advances to lightroom?



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