Re: Apple iCloud -- Arrgh
> On Jan 8, 2023, at 2:24 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > Nope. I never said that there is a one true way. I'm not the one who said > that somebody is using their computer wrong. Who said that? I certainly didn't. > Cherish what follows: > > You're right Godfrey. > > The OS is not the user interface, the OS is the low level software that > interacts with the hardware and acts as the interface between "user programs" > and the hardware. Some operating systems give you your choice of multiple > user interfaces. At the console you can use sh, ksh, bash, csh, even zsh. > I'm still not sure what the benefits of zsh are supposed to be. They also let > you pick between multiple graphic user interfaces. Oh great. So we have seven different text interfaces and multiple graphic user interfaces. Great stuff for allowing everyone to develop expertise … a system that has no baseline of operations. > >> >>> Odd that you mention work. I needed to do this for work. I was actually >>> trying to use my mac for work rather than play. >> >> I've used Apple computers for my work since 1984. At NASA/JPL, Molecular >> Design, Apple, Sun Microsystems, as a contractor, and again at Apple until I >> retired. Now I use them to do my photographic work, which continue to net a >> small supplementary income. So I have always used Apple computers and >> operating systems for my work. >> >> I've written drivers for NASA radar imaging systems flying on the >> shuttlecraft and other spacecraft, device control apps for the Deep Space >> Net, Orbital Debris Detection apps for detecting stuff that can hit space >> stations and orbiting spacecraft, chemical research database apps and remote >> interfaces, and participated in the development of eight operating systems >> using Apple systems on macOS, along with myriad other smaller ventures. Not >> to mention written three books and produced 22 exhibition suites as well for >> my photographic and writing endeavors. >> >> If you consider this play, well, that's your misapprehension. > > Perhaps I was a bit hyperbolic. For the things that I've done > professionally, other operating systems have done a better job of staying out > of my way. Obviously if I was coding iOS apps, then MacOS would be superior. 80% of the software I authored ran on custom, bespoke hardware … not Apple (macOS, iOS, iPadOS, tvOS) at all. macOS gave me facilities in creating that software that I found on no other systems … that's why I chose it. I could have used any system at all, my budget for some of those things ran into the millions of dollars. >> I would expect that you understand what an AppleID and the iCloud Drive file >> system is, > > If I had any use for them I would, but in my experience most of what they > have done has made my life more complicated. Yes, iCloud does help my "mail > client that was written by Apple", since you don't like the moniker macmail, > sync between various machines. That is Mail.app, not "macmail". Perhaps if you actually understood these things, you might find that there is some value in them. > What was the answer you gave him? You're the one that has been using Apple > software for twice as long as I. My response to Rick was posted to PDML two days ago, my other response this morning. Go read them. > Apple has almost always been very good at what their focus is. At first it > was making affordable computers. At some point their goal was to make money > by making computers that someone who is totally computer naive can use. At > one point their goal was to make money by making excellent computers that > Steve Jobs would want to use. Now it seems that their goal is to make money > by selling Apple services and cell phones. You again show a remarkable misapprehension of what Apple has done. >> Otherwise, you're just blowing hot air based upon your personal prejudices >> and misunderstanding of the technology. >> >> I prefer to attempt to be helpful when someone asks a question—not just tell >> them that I don't like the computer they're using, what's wrong with it in >> my view, or disparage how it is intended to be used. The fact that you >> prefer to do those three things is what I perceive as your unproductive >> attitude. > > Actually what I said was that I had been frustrated by the same problem. At > one point in this discussion I even posted a link to a web page that > purported to solve that very problem, which some might say was a bit more > helpful than telling them that their problem doesn't exist. Read my posts, as above, and try to understand them. The page you posted was published in 2012. > Though, perhaps we should give this topic a rest, and as has been discussed > elsewhere, get back to talking about our Pentax cameras. I don't own any of those any more, sold all my Pentax gear long ago except for one lens. My final piece of Pentax gear is the lovely SMC-Pentax-L
Re: Donations to the cause
Done Paul > On Jan 8, 2023, at 2:18 PM, Doug Brewer wrote: > > Gang, > > if you wish to help with keeping the hamsters who power the pdml in fine > fettle, you can shoot a few bucks to my email at paypal. I also have a venmo > account, (at DFBrewer) if you swing that way. > > Other options entertained if you contact me. > > Thanks > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Donations to the cause
came through fine, Rick. Thanks. On 1/8/23 5:44 PM, Rick Womer wrote: Doug, I sent a contribution via PayPal an hour or so ago. The site was acting weird, so let me know if you don’t get it. Cheers, Rick -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Donations to the cause
Doug, I sent a contribution via PayPal an hour or so ago. The site was acting weird, so let me know if you don’t get it. Cheers, Rick > On Jan 8, 2023, at 4:53 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: > > Am 08.01.23 um 20:18 schrieb Doug Brewer: > >> if you wish to help with keeping the hamsters who power the pdml in fine >> fettle, you can shoot a few bucks to my email at paypal > > Done. And next time do say so as soon as the need arises. > > Ralf > > -- > Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany > Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com > Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf > Fotos : https://www.fotocommunity.de/user_photos/770012 > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Apple iCloud -- Arrgh
> On Jan 8, 2023, at 12:05 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > >> On Jan 8, 2023, at 9:16 AM, Larry Colen wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Jan 8, 2023, at 7:12 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Then last March, I started a new job and for a couple of months I used Windows 10 as my daily machine. That cured me of any desire to use Windows at home. >>> >>> It's obvious to me, Larry, that you are not a macOS user … you buy the >>> machines purely because Apple has a BSD Unix interface embedded into macOS. >>> Otherwise your "twenty years of using Macs" would demonstrate a lot more >>> familiarity with actual macOS features and workflow methodologies. >> >> This is exactly the attitude I was mentioning, if someone wants to do >> something other than the Cupertino way, they are apostate. > > Oh, so the AT Bell Labs/BSD interface paradigm is the One True Way, rather > than the operating system that was designed for the Apple computers. Nope. I never said that there is a one true way. I'm not the one who said that somebody is using their computer wrong. > >>> macOS is *not* about the command-line processing in the Terminal app, or >>> bash, or emacs, or any of that stuff. Those are the underpinnings of macOS, >>> not the user interface of macOS. >> >> This is where the "what is an Operating System?" debate gets interesting. > > It's not a debate: A command-line interface is not an operating system. It is > a text-based presentation and command layer, in this case derivative of the > BSD Unix system presentation layer that is incorporated in the sub-layers of > macOS. It happens to be there for historical reasons but it is not the macOS > user interface, and is certainly not the macOS operating system layer. Cherish what follows: You're right Godfrey. The OS is not the user interface, the OS is the low level software that interacts with the hardware and acts as the interface between "user programs" and the hardware. Some operating systems give you your choice of multiple user interfaces. At the console you can use sh, ksh, bash, csh, even zsh. I'm still not sure what the benefits of zsh are supposed to be. They also let you pick between multiple graphic user interfaces. > >> Odd that you mention work. I needed to do this for work. I was actually >> trying to use my mac for work rather than play. > > I've used Apple computers for my work since 1984. At NASA/JPL, Molecular > Design, Apple, Sun Microsystems, as a contractor, and again at Apple until I > retired. Now I use them to do my photographic work, which continue to net a > small supplementary income. So I have always used Apple computers and > operating systems for my work. > > I've written drivers for NASA radar imaging systems flying on the > shuttlecraft and other spacecraft, device control apps for the Deep Space > Net, Orbital Debris Detection apps for detecting stuff that can hit space > stations and orbiting spacecraft, chemical research database apps and remote > interfaces, and participated in the development of eight operating systems > using Apple systems on macOS, along with myriad other smaller ventures. Not > to mention written three books and produced 22 exhibition suites as well for > my photographic and writing endeavors. > > If you consider this play, well, that's your misapprehension. Perhaps I was a bit hyperbolic. For the things that I've done professionally, other operating systems have done a better job of staying out of my way. Obviously if I was coding iOS apps, then MacOS would be superior. > >> Saying that I'm not a MacOS user because I use different features more than >> some people is like saying that I'm not a Miata driver because I upgraded >> the brakes, modified the seat and added a rollbar before driving it on a >> track. > > If you tout yourself as a macOS user with twenty years experience using macOS, I wouldn't say that I tout myself. I would say that I have used them for twenty years. > I would expect that you understand what an AppleID and the iCloud Drive file > system is, If I had any use for them I would, but in my experience most of what they have done has made my life more complicated. Yes, iCloud does help my "mail client that was written by Apple", since you don't like the moniker macmail, sync between various machines. > and how to configure them, and could easily answer Rick's queries with > sensible information about how to configure the system for his liking. What was the answer you gave him? You're the one that has been using Apple software for twice as long as I. > These parts of the macOS/iOS/iPadOS ecology have been around for 12 years and > have been a sizable part of what nearly all but a *tiny* percentage of people > who say they are macOS users find valuable and useful about this operating > system. Otherwise, the product planners and engineering staff at Apple would > not put so much development time,
Re: OT Mail list restrictions
I'm happy to donate if I can use my card via Paypal. I can't open a PP account. > On 08/01/2023 08:36 Doug Brewer wrote: > > > Hi, Larry. > > Sorry for the slow response. I have been migrating to a new computer and > have just today gotten my email client set up, with all that entails. > > Loosening the size restrictions might be possible, but not if there is a > significant cost increase. We ran out of money in the pdml account many > months ago, and since I haven't identified a method for donation that > works for more than a few people I have given up begging and just been > eating the bill. I don't know that I'm willing to subsidize more than I > have, and allowing larger message sizes/photos on the list would require > more storage space that has to be paid for. > > I am, however, willing to listen to reasonable suggestions, as always. > > yr humble svt > > On 1/6/23 9:35 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > Doug, > > > > Would it be possible to loosen up the length restrictions a bit? > > > > It seems odd that even with wordy bastards like Bill and I it was bouncing > > messages about three long. > > > > Bill, > > You could send it to me directly: l...@red4est.com > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Donations to the cause
Am 08.01.23 um 20:18 schrieb Doug Brewer: if you wish to help with keeping the hamsters who power the pdml in fine fettle, you can shoot a few bucks to my email at paypal Done. And next time do say so as soon as the need arises. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Fotos : https://www.fotocommunity.de/user_photos/770012 -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax A 35-105mm F/3.5 Macro Zoom
Am 08.01.23 um 21:40 schrieb Steve Cottrell: Shame as that range would be quite useful. Pity really, as it's a great lens. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Fotos : https://www.fotocommunity.de/user_photos/770012 -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: January PUG is up
> On 6 Jan 2023, at 21:47, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > > Jan van Wijk gets my vote for the most inventive interpretation of the > theme, and it's a compelling image in its own right. Thanks Dan ;-) Regards, JvW = Jan van Wijk; author of DFsee; https://www.dfsee.com -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax A 35-105mm F/3.5 Macro Zoom
Hi all I’ve now found out that the front end of this lens rotates :-( Unfortunately that’s a deal-breaker for me as I need a non-rotating lens. I attach a matte box to an adapter that screws into the filter thread on the front of the lens and clearly it woud rotate as well in use. Shame as that range would be quite useful. I could opt for some of the other mid-range zooms with an aperture ring, will have a think on it. Cot On 8 Jan 2023, at 13:00, Steve Cottrell wrote: Does anyone on the list have experience with the Pentax A 35-105/3.5 zoom lens? I’m looking for something this range for video work. Has to be sharp in the middle wide open, not bothered at the corners. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Donations to the cause
Sent via PayPal.com to d...@dougbrewerphoto.com … done! Thank you, Doug! :) G — Godfrey DiGiorgi - godfreydigio...@me.com > On Jan 8, 2023, at 11:18 AM, Doug Brewer wrote: > > Gang, > > if you wish to help with keeping the hamsters who power the pdml in fine > fettle, you can shoot a few bucks to my email at paypal. I also have a venmo > account, (at DFBrewer) if you swing that way. > > Other options entertained if you contact me. > > Thanks -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Donations to the cause
done ann On 1/8/2023 2:18 PM, Doug Brewer wrote: Gang, if you wish to help with keeping the hamsters who power the pdml in fine fettle, you can shoot a few bucks to my email at paypal. I also have a venmo account, (at DFBrewer) if you swing that way. Other options entertained if you contact me. Thanks -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- ann sanfedele photography https://annsan.smugmug.com https://www.cafepress.com/+ann-sanfedele+gifts https://www.lulu.com/spotlight/annsan https://www.createphotocalendars.com/Shop/annsanfedelecalendarsandbooks -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Donations to the cause
Gang, if you wish to help with keeping the hamsters who power the pdml in fine fettle, you can shoot a few bucks to my email at paypal. I also have a venmo account, (at DFBrewer) if you swing that way. Other options entertained if you contact me. Thanks -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Mail list restrictions
I would be very glad to contribute, too. Rick > On Jan 8, 2023, at 10:17 AM, David J Brooks wrote: > > Put out the call Doug I’ll keep donating > > Dave > > On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 3:36 AM Doug Brewer wrote: > >> Hi, Larry. >> >> Sorry for the slow response. I have been migrating to a new computer and >> have just today gotten my email client set up, with all that entails. >> >> Loosening the size restrictions might be possible, but not if there is a >> significant cost increase. We ran out of money in the pdml account many >> months ago, and since I haven't identified a method for donation that >> works for more than a few people I have given up begging and just been >> eating the bill. I don't know that I'm willing to subsidize more than I >> have, and allowing larger message sizes/photos on the list would require >> more storage space that has to be paid for. >> >> I am, however, willing to listen to reasonable suggestions, as always. >> >> yr humble svt >> >> On 1/6/23 9:35 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >>> Doug, >>> >>> Would it be possible to loosen up the length restrictions a bit? >>> >>> It seems odd that even with wordy bastards like Bill and I it was >> bouncing messages about three long. >>> >>> Bill, >>> You could send it to me directly: l...@red4est.com >> -- >> %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> > -- > Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. > www.caughtinmotion.com > http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ > York Region, Ontario, Canada > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Apple iCloud -- Arrgh
> On Jan 8, 2023, at 7:12 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > >> >> >> Then last March, I started a new job and for a couple of months I used >> Windows 10 as my daily machine. That cured me of any desire to use Windows >> at home. > > It's obvious to me, Larry, that you are not a macOS user … you buy the > machines purely because Apple has a BSD Unix interface embedded into macOS. > Otherwise your "twenty years of using Macs" would demonstrate a lot more > familiarity with actual macOS features and workflow methodologies. This is exactly the attitude I was mentioning, if someone wants to do something other than the Cupertino way, they are apostate. Actually, the reason I have a mac is that when I got it, it was easier to get a mac than to get screen calibration software working on Linux. At the time, a friend worked at Adobe, I was able to buy lightroom for a very attractive price, then got sucked down that rabbit hole. > > macOS is *not* about the command-line processing in the Terminal app, or > bash, or emacs, or any of that stuff. Those are the underpinnings of macOS, > not the user interface of macOS. This is where the "what is an Operating System?" debate gets interesting. > > A macOS user that needs to edit a particular expression across a whole bunch > of files doesn't use the Finder, obviously, because the Finder isn't intended > for such an operation. They might use a standalone code editor (BBEdit and > others), they might use Automator, they might use the Apple development > system (Xcode) and all its editing features. They would only use the Terminal > app and command line operations if their work and expertise was confined to > running a Unix system. Odd that you mention work. I needed to do this for work. I was actually trying to use my mac for work rather than play. > > I'm sorry you didn't find a Windows 10 environment more pleasing to you. That > means you need to buy generic hardware and install Linux on it, rather than > waste your time (and everyone else's) complaining about macOS and Apple > products. I'm actually sitting pretty much equidistant between my Linux box and two of my macs. They each have advantages. The Linux box is generally better for technical work, writing Operating Systems, Embedded systems software and suchlike. The mac is better for photography. I haven't yet found anything that for me Windows is better at. Just because something is good at some tasks doesn't mean that there aren't things to complain about. I could write a book about my complaints about the Pentax UI, but it still seems to suck less than any other digital camera UI that I've wrestled with. Some of the words I used when changing the oil on a Miata would have even made you blush, but I own two of them, my fourth and fifth. And to be honest I can't think of anyone I've dated that I haven't had complaints about. Saying that I'm not a MacOS user because I use different features more than some people is like saying that I'm not a Miata driver because I upgraded the brakes, modified the seat and added a rollbar before driving it on a track. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com. sent from Mirkwood -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Apple iCloud -- Arrgh
Hi Rick, Note that that article was published in 2012. This is nothing new, it has been behavior standard on macOS for a decade now. It's just that you have a new machine, with a newly initialized OS, file system, and apps. You didn't do an install-over on your previous boot drive, I imagine, so the 'from factory defaults' are/were in place. My current machine is a 2018-2019 Mac mini running macOS Ventura version 13.1. This boot system has been upgraded in a continuous sequence since my first macOS X system in 2001, version by version, so all the aggregated customizations and modifications of 21 years of use are reflected in it. When I was working, testing new macOS revisions along with doing my regular work as most internal engineering folks at Apple do, I saw much more of these factory defaults as I installed OS revisions pre-release directly from the internal servers, probably up to ten times a week. Since I was testing at that time, part of my testing was to set my personal preferences and defaults including moving the default pick from an iCloud account location to my local storage. I'm glad the article articulated the 'Command-D' action to move the storage location to the Desktop folder. Once you do that, the list of choices in the popup and in the rest of the file selection dialog changes to show more local storage options. Once you choose iCloud from the popup menu, the file system is lock there with iCloud options until you type Command-D again. That's all I've ever used when the storage location happened to be locked to iCloud and I wanted it to be elsewhere .. never changed any defaults or such. Once you switch it to a local drive, it stays on local storage until you once again choose iCloud as a storage location. I use Command-D so much as a matter of reflex that I completely forgot to mention it. My bad, sorry! A poor excuse, but I've been working with macOS for so long, and through so many many revisions both in itself and in the hardware it's running on, that I often forget the many small details of my use since they're all embedded into my muscle memory and I don't actually think about them consciously at all… :) G > On Jan 8, 2023, at 7:16 AM, Rick Womer wrote: > > Godfrey, good morning! > > Things seem to have changed at Apple. > > The MacBook Pro I bought in August, updated to OS 16, defaults to storing > =everything= in iCloud. > > I found a dialog box that has other options, but they are so obtusely worded > that I’ll need some time to decode them. > > I also found this, but haven’t tried it yet: > > https://osxdaily.com/2012/08/20/change-save-location-from-icloud-to-local-mac-storage-os-x/ > > Rick > >> On Jan 7, 2023, at 10:16 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >> >> Entirely, exactly wrong. Nothing on any Apple system I've ever initialized >> attempted to store anything on iCloud. Period. >> >> The use of a command-line interface has NOTHING to do with Rick's question. >> At all. >> >> Good night. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Mail list restrictions
> On Jan 8, 2023, at 12:36 AM, Doug Brewer wrote: > > Hi, Larry. > > Sorry for the slow response. I have been migrating to a new computer and have > just today gotten my email client set up, with all that entails. You have my empathy. > > Loosening the size restrictions might be possible, but not if there is a > significant cost increase. We ran out of money in the pdml account many > months ago, and since I haven't identified a method for donation that works > for more than a few people I have given up begging and just been eating the > bill. I don't know that I'm willing to subsidize more than I have, and > allowing larger message sizes/photos on the list would require more storage > space that has to be paid for. > > I am, however, willing to listen to reasonable suggestions, as always. The first suggestion is that you let us know how to send you money. These days there is paypal, zelle, venmo, and I hear that checks sent in the mail stil work. I've run my own server, I've run lists, I entirely appreciate everything that you're doing. > > yr humble svt > > On 1/6/23 9:35 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >> Doug, >> >> Would it be possible to loosen up the length restrictions a bit? >> >> It seems odd that even with wordy bastards like Bill and I it was bouncing >> messages about three long. >> >> Bill, >> You could send it to me directly: l...@red4est.com > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com. sent from Mirkwood -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Mail list restrictions
Doug, My last PDML donation was on January 29, 2022, which means it's about time to do another donation for the coffers. Please send the appropriate PayPal link to send a donation to. thanks! G > On Jan 8, 2023, at 12:36 AM, Doug Brewer wrote: > > Hi, Larry. > > Sorry for the slow response. I have been migrating to a new computer and have > just today gotten my email client set up, with all that entails. > > Loosening the size restrictions might be possible, but not if there is a > significant cost increase. We ran out of money in the pdml account many > months ago, and since I haven't identified a method for donation that works > for more than a few people I have given up begging and just been eating the > bill. I don't know that I'm willing to subsidize more than I have, and > allowing larger message sizes/photos on the list would require more storage > space that has to be paid for. > > I am, however, willing to listen to reasonable suggestions, as always. > > yr humble svt > -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PDML - PDFG ?
Doug, You have my vote of confidence and support for the fine job you've been doing with PDML. And my thanks as well. :) That said: The PDML server software is a bit primitive by modern standards. have you ever considered going to a modern mail server provider to enable users with much more modern systems to utilize rich text email as well as photo embedding into emails? I have been pleased with the performance of groups.io and their mail server services. Modern email facilities and seamless use for photo distribution without needing links and such… It's worth a thought about migrating PDML to something like that, if not them specifically. best, G — No matter where you go, there you are. > On Jan 7, 2023, at 3:13 PM, Doug Brewer wrote: > > I've given up on FB. If y'all had rather have someone else in charge, please > let me know. > > > On 1/6/23 7:30 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote: >> Just as a matter of interest, is there any interest in a Pentax Discussion >> Facebook Group? >> >> I admin a FB group with over 800 members, it’s quite fun. Photos are posted >> daily and response is swift. Sure, you battle with the evil that is Meta, >> but if one is selective about viewing habits, it becomes a tool, just like >> camera gear… -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Mail list restrictions
Am 08.01.23 um 16:17 schrieb David J Brooks: Put out the call Doug I’ll keep donating What's the address again? Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Fotos : https://www.fotocommunity.de/user_photos/770012 -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Poll in 3 parts
On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 03:54:15PM -0500, coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote: Ya, ya, I know it?s been done a million times.\ But I wanted to add a comparative twist to it. What has been your (a) Favorite 35mm camera\ (b) The sharpest 35mm you ever used\ (c) Why you stuck with Pentax (a) K1000 - all-manual all the time and it's never let me down. (b) My boring ol' M 50/1.4 (c) I started college with a K1000 my dad bought used. That got stolen while on loan to a friend after college and I didn't really shoot much for a long time, when I did it was with the digital point-and-shoots my employer provided for documenting stuff at work. When my dad passed away in 2011 I kept his K1000 and started shooting film again because I needed something to help maintain my sanity, and I've been shooting it ever since. Occasionally I covet a 67 because I like the 6x7 format (I crop a fair number of my shots to that) and because I've heard such good things about the glass. On the other hand I shoot almost exclusively handheld and it sounds like it really prefers to be on a tripod with the mirror locked up. For me ?\ (a) Canon G-III QL17. Convenient and sharp. Easy to use.\ (b) Tie: Rollei 35 S (Planar) and Contax T2. But too valuable to hang onto.\ (c) K1000 was 1st SLR. Always enjoyed simplicity + durability. (Same reason I?ve driven Chevy & Toyota) Ditto on the Toyotas and Chevys. :-) Bruce N. -- Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain. (Lily Tomlin) -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Mail list restrictions
Put out the call Doug I’ll keep donating Dave On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 3:36 AM Doug Brewer wrote: > Hi, Larry. > > Sorry for the slow response. I have been migrating to a new computer and > have just today gotten my email client set up, with all that entails. > > Loosening the size restrictions might be possible, but not if there is a > significant cost increase. We ran out of money in the pdml account many > months ago, and since I haven't identified a method for donation that > works for more than a few people I have given up begging and just been > eating the bill. I don't know that I'm willing to subsidize more than I > have, and allowing larger message sizes/photos on the list would require > more storage space that has to be paid for. > > I am, however, willing to listen to reasonable suggestions, as always. > > yr humble svt > > On 1/6/23 9:35 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > Doug, > > > > Would it be possible to loosen up the length restrictions a bit? > > > > It seems odd that even with wordy bastards like Bill and I it was > bouncing messages about three long. > > > > Bill, > > You could send it to me directly: l...@red4est.com > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Apple iCloud -- Arrgh
Godfrey, good morning! Things seem to have changed at Apple. The MacBook Pro I bought in August, updated to OS 16, defaults to storing =everything= in iCloud. I found a dialog box that has other options, but they are so obtusely worded that I’ll need some time to decode them. I also found this, but haven’t tried it yet: https://osxdaily.com/2012/08/20/change-save-location-from-icloud-to-local-mac-storage-os-x/ Rick > On Jan 7, 2023, at 10:16 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > Entirely, exactly wrong. Nothing on any Apple system I've ever initialized > attempted to store anything on iCloud. Period. > > The use of a command-line interface has NOTHING to do with Rick's question. > At all. > > Good night. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Apple iCloud -- Arrgh
> On Jan 8, 2023, at 12:27 AM, Larry Colen wrote: > >> On Jan 7, 2023, at 11:59 PM, Bob W PDML wrote: >> >>> On 8 Jan 2023, at 02:05, Larry Colen wrote: >>> > The symlink worked for many years, through many generations of MacOS, I > don't understand why it broke. >>> >>> -- >> If it’s any consolation, Larry, I had a symlink go bad on me in Windows >> about 10 years ago. > > Over the past few years, as I became ever more disenchanted with Apple, I was > considering getting a Windows machine for my commercial software needs. Apart > from any complaints I have with their software, ever since about 2015 their > hardware offerings demonstrated ever more clearly that I am not their target > demographic. Their notebooks got slimmer, impossible to upgrade, or change at > all, and they removed so many hardware features and ports, that by the time > you made it usable you had spent a thousand dollars on dongles and you had > more hardware hanging off the laptop than there was laptop. It took them > forever to come out with a real mac pro again, and when they did it was > priced beyond my feasible hopes. > > Then last March, I started a new job and for a couple of months I used > Windows 10 as my daily machine. That cured me of any desire to use Windows at > home. It's obvious to me, Larry, that you are not a macOS user … you buy the machines purely because Apple has a BSD Unix interface embedded into macOS. Otherwise your "twenty years of using Macs" would demonstrate a lot more familiarity with actual macOS features and workflow methodologies. macOS is *not* about the command-line processing in the Terminal app, or bash, or emacs, or any of that stuff. Those are the underpinnings of macOS, not the user interface of macOS. A macOS user that needs to edit a particular expression across a whole bunch of files doesn't use the Finder, obviously, because the Finder isn't intended for such an operation. They might use a standalone code editor (BBEdit and others), they might use Automator, they might use the Apple development system (Xcode) and all its editing features. They would only use the Terminal app and command line operations if their work and expertise was confined to running a Unix system. I'm sorry you didn't find a Windows 10 environment more pleasing to you. That means you need to buy generic hardware and install Linux on it, rather than waste your time (and everyone else's) complaining about macOS and Apple products. G -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax is considering releasing a new film camera
On Tue, 20 Dec 2022 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I'm somewhat abashed to see people who can list all of their cameras. I know I have six digital cameras, not counting iPhone and iPad(s) cameras. But film cameras ? sheesh, every time i open a drawer or a box I find a couple more. I don't know how many I have at all, but it's a number well past 30. At a quick glance, I counted nine Polaroid cameras alone?! The accretion over time thing is at work. Many of these cameras I've acquired and used over decades of time. A few more than most, but such are the vagaries of whimsy. Many/most film cameras are available for dirt cheap prices now. But that doesn't mean that any person who has gotten interested in using a film camera shouldn't have the option to buy a fine new film camera from a Leica, a Pentax, and/or some other quality brand name. As long as the manufacturer can make a profit commensurate with their investment to go into production, there's no downside to it. I'd like a new Leica M6 or M-A: I certainly don't need one, but it's nice to have the option available. I have to say I'm good with the K1000 I inherited from my dad but if Pentax thinks there's a market developing then I wish them luck. Places to get the existing film cameras maintained have to be getting fewer, not to mention parts so if the interest in shooting film continues eventually new cameras may be needed. This project got pretty far along the development curve: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/reflexcamera/reflex-bringing-back-the-analogue-slr-camera It might be nice to see Pentax (or someone) pick up that ball and run with it, if they're going to do a new film SLR, although it doesn't address Pentax- specific needs like focus drive. It depends heavily on who the potential market is for such a camera. Some would *love* to be able to swap out the lens mount and use tons of legacy glass from every manufacturer under the sun. Of course that wouldn't drive sales of any new glass. At least someone should steal that interchangeable film back design. :-) In any case, if they go for it I hope they do their market research and make money at it. It's interesting now that we're here and film is becoming a niche thing that it's following the exact curve we talked about in my photo class in college. Much of fine-art printmaking developed out of available commercial printing processes when they were supplanted by newer processes (from engraving and stone-based lithography to metal-plate litho, silkscreen, etc. - we had old second-hand litho stones in our printmaking studio with designs of bank certificates on them in Spanish, had cheap from closing print shops in South America). Digital photography was in its infancy then but we saw that it was gaining capability and would eventually be good enough for commercial work and leave film behind. For a while it appeared film might die entirely, but instead folks are keeping it alive, to some degree, for other purposes. Bruce N. -- Love your enemies, for they tell you your faults. (Benjamin Franklin) -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax A 35-105mm F/3.5 Macro Zoom
Am 08.01.23 um 15:06 schrieb Steve Cottrell: Thanks Ralf, that’s useful to know. Did the front of the 28-135 rotate by any chance? Yes, the front rotates. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Fotos : https://www.fotocommunity.de/user_photos/770012 -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax A 35-105mm F/3.5 Macro Zoom
Thanks Ralf, that’s useful to know. Did the front of the 28-135 rotate by any chance? Cot On 8 Jan 2023, at 13:33, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: I've had the SMC-A 4/28-135 mm and it was an excellent lens, albeit at 820 g a bit on the heavy side. Optically superb and built like the proverbial battleship. https://www.fotocommunity.de/photo/eins-zwei-polizei-fotoralfbe/46873867 http://kmp.pentaxians.eu/lenses/short/a28-135f4/ Ralf -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax A 35-105mm F/3.5 Macro Zoom
Am 08.01.23 um 14:00 schrieb Steve Cottrell: Does anyone on the list have experience with the Pentax A 35-105/3.5 zoom lens? I’m looking for something this range for video work. Has to be sharp in the middle wide open, not bothered at the corners. I've had the SMC-A 4/28-135 mm and it was an excellent lens, albeit at 820 g a bit on the heavy side. Optically superb and built like the proverbial battleship. https://www.fotocommunity.de/photo/eins-zwei-polizei-fotoralfbe/46873867 http://kmp.pentaxians.eu/lenses/short/a28-135f4/ Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Fotos : https://www.fotocommunity.de/user_photos/770012 -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Pentax A 35-105mm F/3.5 Macro Zoom
Hi all Does anyone on the list have experience with the Pentax A 35-105/3.5 zoom lens? I’m looking for something this range for video work. Has to be sharp in the middle wide open, not bothered at the corners. TIA Cotty -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Mail list restrictions
Hi, Larry. Sorry for the slow response. I have been migrating to a new computer and have just today gotten my email client set up, with all that entails. Loosening the size restrictions might be possible, but not if there is a significant cost increase. We ran out of money in the pdml account many months ago, and since I haven't identified a method for donation that works for more than a few people I have given up begging and just been eating the bill. I don't know that I'm willing to subsidize more than I have, and allowing larger message sizes/photos on the list would require more storage space that has to be paid for. I am, however, willing to listen to reasonable suggestions, as always. yr humble svt On 1/6/23 9:35 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Doug, Would it be possible to loosen up the length restrictions a bit? It seems odd that even with wordy bastards like Bill and I it was bouncing messages about three long. Bill, You could send it to me directly: l...@red4est.com -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Apple iCloud -- Arrgh
> On Jan 7, 2023, at 11:59 PM, Bob W PDML wrote: > >> On 8 Jan 2023, at 02:05, Larry Colen wrote: >> >> >> The symlink worked for many years, through many generations of MacOS, I don't understand why it broke. >> >> -- >> > > If it’s any consolation, Larry, I had a symlink go bad on me in Windows about > 10 years ago. Over the past few years, as I became ever more disenchanted with Apple, I was considering getting a Windows machine for my commercial software needs. Apart from any complaints I have with their software, ever since about 2015 their hardware offerings demonstrated ever more clearly that I am not their target demographic. Their notebooks got slimmer, impossible to upgrade, or change at all, and they removed so many hardware features and ports, that by the time you made it usable you had spent a thousand dollars on dongles and you had more hardware hanging off the laptop than there was laptop. It took them forever to come out with a real mac pro again, and when they did it was priced beyond my feasible hopes. Then last March, I started a new job and for a couple of months I used Windows 10 as my daily machine. That cured me of any desire to use Windows at home. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com. sent from Mirkwood -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Apple iCloud -- Arrgh
> On 8 Jan 2023, at 02:05, Larry Colen wrote: > > > >>> The symlink worked for many years, through many generations of MacOS, I >>> don't understand why it broke. > > -- > If it’s any consolation, Larry, I had a symlink go bad on me in Windows about 10 years ago. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
