Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Thank you, Larry. 

Hmm. My Lancia is a 1967 model ... I seem to recall the Alfa Romeo type 105 
chassis replaced the Giulia Sprint and its siblings, starting around 1965 or 
1966, but I'd have to look them up to be certain. Doesn't matter really ... the 
Giulia Sprint and Guiletta Spider are lovely cars and a delight to drive. 

My Fulvia's muffler lost a dime sized hole out of the end of the main muffler 
last week, and the muffler is cracking all the way around now. But that small 
additional opening netted a rather pretty exhaust sound. So I've ordered an 
Abarth system to replace the stock exhaust and give the car a little more aural 
character ... the stock Fulvia Coupé exhaust is rather quiet, but that little 
V4 makes such a pretty sound it deserves a more sporting system to highlight 
it. :)

onwards! 
G

> On Mar 4, 2024, at 2:41 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 4, 2024, at 8:06 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>> 
>> Minox 35... I still have my Minox 35GT-E, which I purchased new in 1998. It 
>> is a lovely camera and has made many great photos for me. I've currently got 
>> it loaded with some Tri-X and may take it on my two-week excursion to the 
>> Right Coast tomorrow.
>> 
>> Regards terminology, cameras like this, the Rollei 35, the Voigtländer 
>> Perkeo II, etc, are "scale focus" cameras ... they have no rangefinder or 
>> TTL viewing system, you focus by setting a distance on the focusing scale.  
>> A true "zone focusing camera" is even simpler than this: the focusing scale 
>> has no distance markings, just symbols to indicate far, intermediate 
>> distances, and close up.
> 
> 
> 
> We may not always agree on everything, but I do admire and respect your 
> cyclopedic (Polyphemian?) knowledge on so many topics.
> 
> I did think of you yesterday when I passed a light blue Giullia(?) sprint of 
> similar vintage to yours. As I was driivng unfortunately as I was driving, 
> getting a photo wasn't feasible.
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Re: Snowdrop

[Paul Stenquist]

Yes, Ive been known to inadvertently arrive on the ground.
Paul

> On Mar 4, 2024, at 8:46 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:
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> Beautiful,
> 
> ... but you know that as we get older getting down there isn't as much of a 
> problem as getting back up again.
> 
>> On 3/3/2024 8:51 PM, Comcast wrote:
>> The snowdrops bloomed yesterday. As I’ve done for many a year, I got down on 
>> the ground — more or less — and photographed a bloom. k-1, DFA 100/2.8 
>> macro, f13 1/250th.  
>> https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/ewfysku994twcsd9puqoe/snowdrop.24.jpg?rlkey=csl5k56dysa7eqgjdu7so7udb=0
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Re: Lightroom Classic + Sonoma upgrades = Trouble (still)

[Rick Womer]

Doug, I was wrong. The problem persists.

My next wide-open time is Friday, though late afternoon Wednesday or
Thursday would work.

Rick



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> On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 11:45 Doug Brewer  wrote:
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>> Sure.
>>
>> On 3/4/24 11:30 AM, Rick Womer wrote:
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>> > On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 8:10 PM Doug Brewer 
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Re: PESO: flooding in the dunes (and test)

[John Sessoms]

I still haven't seen Henk's original post, but I noticed a distinct lack 
of PDML the last week or so and then suddenly today a flood (mostly 
about the new film camera)


Those are both great images. I'm not sure which I like more.

On 3/4/2024 1:02 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Beautiful shots, Hank. Love the light!
Paul


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Due to heavy rainfall during this winter my daily walk in the dunes, even with 
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Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

[John Sessoms]

If you read along with the English subtitles, he says they interviewed a 
lot of young people to find out what THEY wanted in a film camera.


Face it Larry, you're "over the hill".

On 3/3/2024 3:21 PM, Larry Colen wrote:




On Mar 3, 2024, at 9:29 AM, Bill  wrote:


On 3/3/2024 9:04 AM, Comcast wrote:

As a medium, film suffers in comparison to digital in that it is less capable 
of low light reproduction and when pushed, image quality drops precipitously. 
The solution has always been larger formats. My best film work was generally on 
6x7 or 6x6 film. Half a f a 35 mm frame has no appeal whatsoever. Am I missing 
something here?
Paul


Yeah, you are not in the target market for a half frame P camera just like 
the target market for this camera is interested in a view camera.


I remember when I was a kid all of the anti-drug propaganda that was made by adults who 
were desperately trying to send out messages that were "cool", and failing 
miserably.

I also look at every fashion trend that I think is incredibly lame, but which is the hot buzz, from 
wearing trousers hanging so low that half your underwear is visible to "stanced" cars, 
that I think is incredibly lame, but nonetheless is "cool".

I can't tell whether this is a case of Ricoh cluelessly trying to be cool, my being clueless 
at what actually is cool, or both. There is a lot to be said in favor of the not just being 
a 'me too' company and trying new things.  I personally would prefer a K-1 III, and I'd also 
prefer a UI that put less effort into being a large heavy expensive point and shoot, and 
more into making it easier to get the best possible raw file. Unfortunately, once again, I 
am not what large companies perceive as their target market, otherwise I would have been 
able to find a sporty rear wheel drive hatchback (estate or shooting brake) car that gets 
>35MPG on the freeway, has a manual transmission and doesn't have all sorts of 
"features" where the car does things that the driver doesn't explicitly tell it to 
do.


Over on the Forum of Pentax this camera is getting quite a bit of buzz from 
people who still treat photography as a fun experiment.


You mean that there are people who think that photography is actually fun?



I was quite surprised that it is a vertical half frame, but the logic behind 
that decision is that a vertical format is what the target market is already 
comfortable with.


I'm inclined to suggest that one of the biggest advantages of film is that 
every frame does cost money, it is what forces you to slow down and think about 
each shot.

If Ricoh were really thinking outside the box, they would take a film SLR and 
replace the focusing screen with a sensor.  The viewfinder would be electronic, 
and it would be able to take digital images either as proofs or cheap snaps, 
but when you wanted, you could flip a switch and expose a frame of film.



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Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

[John Sessoms]

Target market is YOUNG PEOPLE, not veteran photographers.

On 3/3/2024 10:04 AM, Comcast wrote:

As a medium, film suffers in comparison to digital in that it is less capable 
of low light reproduction and when pushed, image quality drops precipitously. 
The solution has always been larger formats. My best film work was generally on 
6x7 or 6x6 film. Half a f a 35 mm frame has no appeal whatsoever. Am I missing 
something here?
Paul


On Mar 3, 2024, at 4:01 AM, Henk Terhell  wrote:

More news on the Pentax film camera:
https://youtu.be/xqRQTOkhOJU?si=PssAjafiIoYaxbuW

As for me, with a least a dozen film camera's accumulating dust on the shelf is 
not fair to these to invest in a new one.

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Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

[John Sessoms]

I'd play with film more if I had a reliable place to get it processed.

On 3/3/2024 4:01 AM, Henk Terhell wrote:

More news on the Pentax film camera:
https://youtu.be/xqRQTOkhOJU?si=PssAjafiIoYaxbuW

As for me, with a least a dozen film camera's accumulating dust on the 
shelf is not fair to these to invest in a new one.


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Re: Snowdrop

[John Sessoms]

Beautiful,

... but you know that as we get older getting down there isn't as much 
of a problem as getting back up again.


On 3/3/2024 8:51 PM, Comcast wrote:

The snowdrops bloomed yesterday. As I’ve done for many a year, I got down on the 
ground — more or less — and photographed a bloom. k-1, DFA 100/2.8 macro, f13 
1/250th.  
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/ewfysku994twcsd9puqoe/snowdrop.24.jpg?rlkey=csl5k56dysa7eqgjdu7so7udb=0
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Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

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On March 4, 2024 3:08:47 PM PST, Bill  wrote:
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>On 3/4/2024 3:15 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:
>> 
>> As long as this camera keeps them happy for, say, half a year or 4 rolls of 
>> film until it ends up in a drawer with all their other no longer fashionable 
>> gadgets, it certainly will fit the bill.

And much higher than for dirty laundry hangers that mascarade as home gyms
>> 
>> Ralf
>> 
>That would make it's usage identical to probably 95% of all cameras ever sold.
>
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Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 05.03.24 um 00:08 schrieb Bill:
That would make it's usage identical to probably 95% of all cameras 
ever sold.


Right enough.

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Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

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On 3/4/2024 3:15 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:


As long as this camera keeps them happy for, say, half a year or 4 
rolls of film until it ends up in a drawer with all their other no 
longer fashionable gadgets, it certainly will fit the bill.


Ralf

That would make it's usage identical to probably 95% of all cameras ever 
sold.


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Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

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> On Mar 4, 2024, at 8:06 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> Minox 35... I still have my Minox 35GT-E, which I purchased new in 1998. It 
> is a lovely camera and has made many great photos for me. I've currently got 
> it loaded with some Tri-X and may take it on my two-week excursion to the 
> Right Coast tomorrow.
> 
> Regards terminology, cameras like this, the Rollei 35, the Voigtländer Perkeo 
> II, etc, are "scale focus" cameras ... they have no rangefinder or TTL 
> viewing system, you focus by setting a distance on the focusing scale.  A 
> true "zone focusing camera" is even simpler than this: the focusing scale has 
> no distance markings, just symbols to indicate far, intermediate distances, 
> and close up.



We may not always agree on everything, but I do admire and respect your 
cyclopedic (Polyphemian?) knowledge on so many topics.

I did think of you yesterday when I passed a light blue Giullia(?) sprint of 
similar vintage to yours. As I was driivng unfortunately as I was driving, 
getting a photo wasn't feasible. 


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Re: PESO: flooding in the dunes (and test)

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Great photos!

On March 4, 2024 9:50:49 AM PST, Henk Terhell  wrote:
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>(though I was able to send mail), I decided to revert to my mail account of 
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>Due to heavy rainfall during this winter my daily walk in the dunes, even with 
>boots on, is quite an adventure.
>
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>https://flic.kr/p/2pBu2KM
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Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

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Am 04.03.24 um 21:16 schrieb Marco Alpert:

I guess my question on this is how long these theoretical young folks will continue 
to find waiting anywhere from a few days to a week to even see what they’ve shot 
“fun"


My guess would be as long as they take to find the next new big thing. 
This isn't about value or usability. It's about spontaneity, as in 
spontaneously spending money for the next craze.


As long as this camera keeps them happy for, say, half a year or 4 rolls 
of film until it ends up in a drawer with all their other no longer 
fashionable gadgets, it certainly will fit the bill.


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Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

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I guess my question on this is how long these theoretical young folks will 
continue to find waiting anywhere from a few days to a week to even see what 
they’ve shot “fun.” Given the apparent popularity of the Fuji Instax cameras, 
absolute image quality is not necessarily a big requirement for that kind of 
fun, but instant gratification seems to be. How long until that enforced wait 
eclipses the novelty and the camera ends up in a drawer? Sure, there are going 
to be some who will stick with it for “artistic” or retrophilia reasons (and 
fewer still who will process and print themselves), but is that market really 
big enough to make all this development effort worthwhile?

I’m actually pretty interested to see how this will play out.

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Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

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Am 04.03.24 um 19:38 schrieb Stanley Halpin:

I had “2 to 3 Minox 35…” I remember for sure it was at least 2. I had one, it 
was fine, a newer model was introduced with some feature that intrigued me, I 
think the camera store gave me a trade-in discount when I bought the 2nd.


Ah, I see. The 35GT had a certain notoriety for shutter failures. Mine 
was a present to my father from his colleagues when he retired. I still 
have it complete with the original box, the docs and the little flash unit.


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Re: PESO: flooding in the dunes (and test)

[Steve Cottrell]

Nice!

Cotty

> On 4 Mar 2024, at 17:50, Henk Terhell  wrote:
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> Due to heavy rainfall during this winter my daily walk in the dunes, even 
> with boots on, is quite an adventure.
> 
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Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

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I had “2 to 3 Minox 35…” I remember for sure it was at least 2. I had one, it 
was fine, a newer model was introduced with some feature that intrigued me, I 
think the camera store gave me a trade-in discount when I bought the 2nd. It 
seems that there might have been a 3rd, but I don’t have the records nor the 
memory to be able to verify.

Stan

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> 
> Am 04.03.24 um 16:06 schrieb Stanley Halpin:
>> I had 2-3 different Minox 35 GT 35mm cameras many years ago.
> 
> 2 to 3 because they kept failing? My 35GT has been repaired a few times 
> because of shutter probs until I eventually gave up on it.
> 
> Still, a lovely little camera and capable of great results if it happened to 
> work properly. It's sitting on my retired cameras shrine.
> 
> Here's a photo I took with it:
> 
> https://www.fotocommunity.com/photo/fuehrerstandsmitfahrten-fotoralfbe/44923299
> 
> Wish I had something digitlal with the same dimensions and picture quality.
> 
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Re: Lightroom Classic + Sonoma upgrades = Trouble (still)

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My number is 215-764-2998. Or, I can phone you.

On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 11:45 Doug Brewer  wrote:

> Sure.
>
> On 3/4/24 11:30 AM, Rick Womer wrote:
> > How about a phone call about 3?
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 8:10 PM Doug Brewer 
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Re: PESO: flooding in the dunes (and test)

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Beautiful shots, Hank. Love the light!
Paul

> On Mar 4, 2024, at 12:50 PM, Henk Terhell  wrote:
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> Due to heavy rainfall during this winter my daily walk in the dunes, even 
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Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 04.03.24 um 16:06 schrieb Stanley Halpin:

I had 2-3 different Minox 35 GT 35mm cameras many years ago.


2 to 3 because they kept failing? My 35GT has been repaired a few times 
because of shutter probs until I eventually gave up on it.


Still, a lovely little camera and capable of great results if it 
happened to work properly. It's sitting on my retired cameras shrine.


Here's a photo I took with it:

https://www.fotocommunity.com/photo/fuehrerstandsmitfahrten-fotoralfbe/44923299

Wish I had something digitlal with the same dimensions and picture quality.

Ralf

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Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

[Alan C]

Exactly!

On 04-Mar-24 05:59 PM, Bob W PDML wrote:

On 4 Mar 2024, at 15:42, Alan C  wrote:

It's not going to be a horizontal half frame, that would just be plain silly. 
There were a couple of quick teasers in the video. Portrait format like a 
'phone camera. IMHO it will be standard film advance, but half a frame at a 
time. It seems to me it will be like a digital compact with film replacing the 
sensor. All controls will be electronic, nothing mechanical. The lens could be 
anything. Auto mode will probably mostly rule supreme.

Alan C

He says in the video, as they have all along, that it will have a manual 
mechanical film advance. Same with the rewind.

They also seem to be considering some sort of unconventional focusing method 
based on zone focusing, so I’m guessing at a click-stop mechanism possibly 
implemented as focus by wire rather than having all the gubbins needed for 
autofocus or for a real focus ring.
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Re: Lightroom Classic + Sonoma upgrades = Trouble (still)

[Doug Brewer]

Sure.

On 3/4/24 11:30 AM, Rick Womer wrote:

How about a phone call about 3?

On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 8:10 PM Doug Brewer  wrote:


I should be free mid afternoon. Fire when ready.


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Re: Lightroom Classic + Sonoma upgrades = Trouble (still)

[Rick Womer]

How about a phone call about 3?

On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 8:10 PM Doug Brewer  wrote:

> I should be free mid afternoon. Fire when ready.
>
> On 3/3/24 6:08 PM, Rick Womer wrote:
> > Thanks, Doug.  I’d love to “pick your brain”!
> >
> > Church and a memorial service ate up today. Tomorrow is pretty clear;
> > mid-to-late morning or after 2 in the afternoon would be best for me.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Minox 35... I still have my Minox 35GT-E, which I purchased new in 1998. It is 
a lovely camera and has made many great photos for me. I've currently got it 
loaded with some Tri-X and may take it on my two-week excursion to the Right 
Coast tomorrow.

Regards terminology, cameras like this, the Rollei 35, the Voigtländer Perkeo 
II, etc, are "scale focus" cameras ... they have no rangefinder or TTL viewing 
system, you focus by setting a distance on the focusing scale.  A true "zone 
focusing camera" is even simpler than this: the focusing scale has no distance 
markings, just symbols to indicate far, intermediate distances, and close up.

Zone focusing is a technique that can be used with any camera that has a 
distance scale on the focusing mechanism. A DoF scale on the lens provides a 
lot of convenience but isn't strictly necessary since you can use a table of 
aperture-distance to focus zone with just a distance setting and known aperture 
on the camera. 

With the Minox 35 and Rollei 35, for quick shooting, I leave the aperture at 
f/11 and just have to remember two distance settings to be able to cover the 
normal shooting range from around 1.5m to infinity (close: 1.5m to 3.5m, far: 
2.5m to infinity, approximately). It's very easy to be very very fast making 
this setting and makes most AF systems look lethargic by comparison once you 
have it down. 

And obviously, when you want to use a large lens opening and are working in 
close, you have to measure or become much more accurate at estimating distance. 
Accurate estimation comes with lots of practice... and once you get it, it is 
instantaneous and unambiguous. :) 

It seems to me that most people today just want the camera to do all this for 
them, and then they fuss over focusing mode and targeting the precise subject, 
complain when it doesn't do exactly what they thought, etc etc. The speed and 
control that scale focus and zone focusing techniques lend to the picture 
making process is why I will likely always remain a retro-grouch and love using 
my antiquated cameras. :D

onwards, G

> On Mar 4, 2024, at 7:06 AM, Stanley Halpin  
> wrote:
> 
> I had 2-3 different Minox 35 GT 35mm cameras many years ago. Many. I don’t 
> know if it was the proper technical term, but I always thought it had a zone 
> focus system.
> Depending on amount of light available, I set f/ to /5.6, 8/, or 1/11, 
> usually used an ISO64 film, sometimes ISO200. Auto exposure.
> 
> One handed, I could pull the camera from my pocket or handlebar bag or from 
> the carabiner on my gear sling (rock climbing), open the flap-down lens 
> cover, adjust the focus zone to some approximate point on the dial 
> (2…3…5…10m...Infinity), look through the uncoupled viewfinder to compose, 
> shoot a frame or two, close the cover, return the camera to pocket… 
> Wonderfully simple to use, produced good results. Then I got more serious 
> about SLRs and longer lenses, etc. Today I do have a Ricoh GRiii which has 
> many of the same characteristics as that Minox, and I usually have it with me 
> even when I am primarily working with one of my real cameras. I can see the 
> appeal of a new film camera of this type.
> 
> Stan
> 
>> On Mar 4, 2024, at 5:16 AM, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
>> 
>>> Am 04.03.24 um 10:53 schrieb Bob W PDML:
>>> Making the camera square would do away with that. In fact using a square 
>>> negative 24x24 would give you 54 frames per roll.
>> 
>> But it wouldn't look like what those youngsters expect a film camera to look 
>> like.
>> 
>>> In the video he talks about using zone focusing on the camera.
>> 
>> The only times I ever see this term is when people describe the way the 
>> Horizon panoramic camera is focussed or rather isn't. It has no focussing 
>> control. Instead it's fix-focussed somehere mid-distance between here and 
>> infinity and you have to stop down to get whatever you want to be sharp into 
>> focus.
>> 
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Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

[Bob W PDML]

> On 4 Mar 2024, at 15:42, Alan C  wrote:
> 
> It's not going to be a horizontal half frame, that would just be plain 
> silly. There were a couple of quick teasers in the video. Portrait format 
> like a 'phone camera. IMHO it will be standard film advance, but half a frame 
> at a time. It seems to me it will be like a digital compact with film 
> replacing the sensor. All controls will be electronic, nothing mechanical. 
> The lens could be anything. Auto mode will probably mostly rule supreme.
> 
> Alan C

He says in the video, as they have all along, that it will have a manual 
mechanical film advance. Same with the rewind. 

They also seem to be considering some sort of unconventional focusing method 
based on zone focusing, so I’m guessing at a click-stop mechanism possibly 
implemented as focus by wire rather than having all the gubbins needed for 
autofocus or for a real focus ring. 
> 
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Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

[Alan C]

It's not going to be a horizontal half frame, that would just be plain 
silly. There were a couple of quick teasers in the video. Portrait 
format like a 'phone camera. IMHO it will be standard film advance, but 
half a frame at a time. It seems to me it will be like a digital compact 
with film replacing the sensor. All controls will be electronic, nothing 
mechanical. The lens could be anything. Auto mode will probably mostly 
rule supreme.


Alan C

On 03-Mar-24 07:45 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:

Am 03.03.24 um 18:29 schrieb Bill:
I was quite surprised that it is a vertical half frame, but the logic 
behind that decision is that a vertical format is what the target 
market is already comfortable with.


Making it a horizontal half frame would mean transporting the film 
from top to bottom and a very odd shape of the camera.


There has apparently been a market for vertical frame cameras long 
before mobile phone photography. Remember those 645 rangefinders from 
Bronica (or Mamiya) in the late 80s or 90s?


Ralf


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Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

[Stanley Halpin]

I had 2-3 different Minox 35 GT 35mm cameras many years ago. Many. I don’t know 
if it was the proper technical term, but I always thought it had a zone focus 
system.
Depending on amount of light available, I set f/ to /5.6, 8/, or 1/11, usually 
used an ISO64 film, sometimes ISO200. Auto exposure.

One handed, I could pull the camera from my pocket or handlebar bag or from the 
carabiner on my gear sling (rock climbing), open the flap-down lens cover, 
adjust the focus zone to some approximate point on the dial 
(2…3…5…10m...Infinity), look through the uncoupled viewfinder to compose, shoot 
a frame or two, close the cover, return the camera to pocket… Wonderfully 
simple to use, produced good results. Then I got more serious about SLRs and 
longer lenses, etc. Today I do have a Ricoh GRiii which has many of the same 
characteristics as that Minox, and I usually have it with me even when I am 
primarily working with one of my real cameras. I can see the appeal of a new 
film camera of this type.

Stan

> On Mar 4, 2024, at 5:16 AM, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
> 
> Am 04.03.24 um 10:53 schrieb Bob W PDML:
>> Making the camera square would do away with that. In fact using a square 
>> negative 24x24 would give you 54 frames per roll.
> 
> But it wouldn't look like what those youngsters expect a film camera to look 
> like.
> 
>> In the video he talks about using zone focusing on the camera.
> 
> The only times I ever see this term is when people describe the way the 
> Horizon panoramic camera is focussed or rather isn't. It has no focussing 
> control. Instead it's fix-focussed somehere mid-distance between here and 
> infinity and you have to stop down to get whatever you want to be sharp into 
> focus.
> 
> Ralf
> 
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Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

[Bob W PDML]

> On 4 Mar 2024, at 10:16, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
> 
> 
>> In the video he talks about using zone focusing on the camera.
> 
> The only times I ever see this term is when people describe the way the 
> Horizon panoramic camera is focussed or rather isn't. It has no focussing 
> control. Instead it's fix-focussed somehere mid-distance between here and 
> infinity and you have to stop down to get whatever you want to be sharp into 
> focus.

It’s a technique that was necessary before rangefinders were standard on 
cameras, and is still quite widely used by street photographers, using the 
hyperfocal distance to ensure maximum depth of field. 

Manual lenses are generally marked with the hyperfocal ranges for different 
f-stops.

Some, such as the thread-mount Leica 50mm Elmar that I have, use a mark to line 
up focus at 10ft/3m so you can be ready to snap à la sauvette. At f8 everything 
is in focus from 7.5 feet / 2.something metres to 15ft/4-5m. 

At 3m the vertical 35mm frame covers the height of a normal door - perfect for 
when you’re pouting into a mirror for a full-length selfie. It might be a bit 
different for a half-frame camera.

Old school paparazzi relied on this to get their flash-subject distance right. 
They set their cameras, focus and flashes in advance and pressed the button 
only when their target was positioned correctly in the finder. The human figure 
becomes the scale for all the camera settings, something I expect Le Corbusier 
would have approved of.


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Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 04.03.24 um 10:53 schrieb Bob W PDML:

Making the camera square would do away with that. In fact using a square 
negative 24x24 would give you 54 frames per roll.


But it wouldn't look like what those youngsters expect a film camera to 
look like.



In the video he talks about using zone focusing on the camera.


The only times I ever see this term is when people describe the way the 
Horizon panoramic camera is focussed or rather isn't. It has no 
focussing control. Instead it's fix-focussed somehere mid-distance 
between here and infinity and you have to stop down to get whatever you 
want to be sharp into focus.


Ralf

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Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

[Bob W PDML]

> On 3 Mar 2024, at 17:45, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
> 
> Am 03.03.24 um 18:29 schrieb Bill:
>> I was quite surprised that it is a vertical half frame, but the logic behind 
>> that decision is that a vertical format is what the target market is already 
>> comfortable with.
> 
> Making it a horizontal half frame would mean transporting the film from top 
> to bottom and a very odd shape of the camera.

[…]

Actually it would be the same shape but in a different orientation. I’m not a 
mechanical engineer so I might be completely wrong, but if you put the film 
advance on the new top of the camera it would perhaps need only one more gear 
to deal with the change of orientation. The rewind crank doesn’t need to be on 
the new top.

Making the camera square would do away with that. In fact using a square 
negative 24x24 would give you 54 frames per roll.

A lot of people now like to see the sprocket holes in the picture, postmodernly 
drawing attention to it being film, so making the frame mask switchable might 
be an interesting option.

In the video he talks about using zone focusing on the camera. I wonder if he 
means click-stops on the focus ring, or perhaps on a dial, with symbols for the 
type of shot, eg headshot, head and shoulders, cowboy, full-length, group/wide 
shot, landscape etc. That could also be used to determine the exposure settings 
in conjunction with the orientation of the camera, favouring a larger aperture 
for closer portraits to increase background blur, and a smaller aperture for 
wider shots using the hyperfocal distance to give the greatest depth of field.

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