Re: K20D PEF Files On a Mac?
On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 8:46 PM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 12:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pentax Photo Lab processed shots may look less noisy, but they lose detail as well. If you saw the 1600 ISO shots I posted, I think you'd have to agree that they're coparable to ISO 400 K10D shots in terms of noise -- with no loss of detail. They're all ACR processed. I have never seen any benefit to using the Pentax software. In the past or now. ACR used correctly -- or lightroom, which is the same code -- is far superior. I disagree. I had some high-ISO shots - a baby in a bath - and Lightroom 1.3 entirely failed at setting white balance using the WB Selector. I could sort of dial it in with the other adjustments. The interesting thing is that if you use the WB selector, the picture looks OK at the macro level; in fact, with better colour balance than I could get by hand. But if you look at a 100% crop, the damage is obvious, the baby looked like she had some horrible skin disease. This is with the DNG files. It refused to even open PEFs. -Tim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K20D PEF Files On a Mac?
Of course it refused to open PEFs. None of the third party software works with new camera until the format has been communicated and the software updated. I'm using ACR with all my K20D images with no problem. I've posted more than a dozen here, including at least half a dozen color pics, many shot under tungsten, one shot in light coming only from a television screen. Paul On Mar 11, 2008, at 2:13 AM, Tim Bray wrote: On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 8:46 PM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 12:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pentax Photo Lab processed shots may look less noisy, but they lose detail as well. If you saw the 1600 ISO shots I posted, I think you'd have to agree that they're coparable to ISO 400 K10D shots in terms of noise -- with no loss of detail. They're all ACR processed. I have never seen any benefit to using the Pentax software. In the past or now. ACR used correctly -- or lightroom, which is the same code -- is far superior. I disagree. I had some high-ISO shots - a baby in a bath - and Lightroom 1.3 entirely failed at setting white balance using the WB Selector. I could sort of dial it in with the other adjustments. The interesting thing is that if you use the WB selector, the picture looks OK at the macro level; in fact, with better colour balance than I could get by hand. But if you look at a 100% crop, the damage is obvious, the baby looked like she had some horrible skin disease. This is with the DNG files. It refused to even open PEFs. -Tim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K20D PEF Files On a Mac?
- Original Message - From: Jay Taylor Subject: K20D PEF Files On a Mac? Does anyone know how to convert PEF files to DNG's? I can't get the freakin' Pentax software to install on my Mac. Lightroom can't read em, nor can PS3/Bridge or Bibble. Time for a PC? HAR!! William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K20D PEF Files On a Mac?
OK On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 12:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pentax Photo Lab processed shots may look less noisy, but they lose detail as well. If you saw the 1600 ISO shots I posted, I think you'd have to agree that they're coparable to ISO 400 K10D shots in terms of noise -- with no loss of detail. They're all ACR processed. I have never seen any benefit to using the Pentax software. In the past or now. ACR used correctly -- or lightroom, which is the same code -- is far superior. Paul -- Original message -- From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not IMO. Pics processed with Pentax Photo lab, especially high ISO shots, have their noise controlled much better Shame that the program is such a PITA to use. CHeers, Dave On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 12:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ACR works splendidly with the K20D DNG files. Paul -- Original message -- From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] The K20D .pef formt is different enought that ACR doesn't know what to do with them. I'm waiting for an Adobe update as ACR doesn't seem to handle the RAW files as well as the supplied Pentax software (urgh) Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K20D PEF Files On a Mac?
I don't use the new Pentax software much, but it does produce cleaner results now than the first version, just not as sharp as other converters I've been using. (I find the interface clunky as well). Paul Stenquist wrote: To be fair, I should add that I haven't tried the Pentax software since the first version that came with the *istD. Am I missing something? That first version delivered noisy results and didn't allow for stretching the dynamic range like ACR does. The results were not pleasing. I didn't know that anyone was using Pentax software for RAW conversion. Is your claim of superiority based on comparisons? Should I give it another chance? Paul On Mar 1, 2008, at 10:46 PM, David Savage wrote: OK On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 12:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pentax Photo Lab processed shots may look less noisy, but they lose detail as well. If you saw the 1600 ISO shots I posted, I think you'd have to agree that they're coparable to ISO 400 K10D shots in terms of noise -- with no loss of detail. They're all ACR processed. I have never seen any benefit to using the Pentax software. In the past or now. ACR used correctly -- or lightroom, which is the same code -- is far superior. Paul -- Original message -- From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not IMO. Pics processed with Pentax Photo lab, especially high ISO shots, have their noise controlled much better Shame that the program is such a PITA to use. CHeers, Dave On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 12:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ACR works splendidly with the K20D DNG files. Paul -- Original message -- From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] The K20D .pef formt is different enought that ACR doesn't know what to do with them. I'm waiting for an Adobe update as ACR doesn't seem to handle the RAW files as well as the supplied Pentax software (urgh) Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K20D PEF Files On a Mac?
I didn't even try to install it. Don't plan to do so. The only Pentax software I use is the Remote Assistant. The rest is useless IMO. Pal On Mar 2, 2008, at 12:18 AM, Jim King wrote: Jay Taylor wrote on Sat, 01 Mar 2008 18:18:57 -0800 Does anyone know how to convert PEF files to DNG's? I can't get the freakin' Pentax software to install on my Mac. Lightroom can't read em, nor can PS3/Bridge or Bibble. I also had problems with the Pentax installer for PPB/PPL v3.5 which came with my K20D - it seems to be broken. I called Pentax but their support technician was clueless so I had to figure it out for myself. The good news is that you can deal with the problem by opening the installer package using the Show Package Contents command in the right-click menu. Then you need to find the package INSTPUT035 via the path ContentsResourcesOSXINSTPUT035. The two programs PPB and PPL are within INSTPUT035. Open it using the Show Package Contents command again and simply copy them to your application folder. (I keep mine in a folder labeled PENTAX Digital Camera Utility, which is the folder the installer would generate if it were working.) The bad news is that these programs are still buggy in operation - they tend to crash a lot. Save early and save often... Regards, Jim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K20D PEF Files On a Mac?
No. It's still crap software. There are only two reasons to use PPL ... - So you can obtain the same JPEG rendering as the camera produces. - Because it's free. To the first, if that's what I wanted, I'd make the image processing settings on the camera and not waste my time with post processing. To the second, I already have better tools that work with all my RAW image files. G On Mar 2, 2008, at 9:19 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: To be fair, I should add that I haven't tried the Pentax software since the first version that came with the *istD. Am I missing something? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K20D PEF Files On a Mac?
Well I think the the Pentax software handles the high ISO (1600+) shots better. I took some at ISO 3200 in mixed WB lighting adjusting the white balance in ACR introduced some interesting noise. The same shot processed in PhotoLab was much better. I hate using PPL though. It's slow, has an awkward interface. (and did I mention it's slow). I just hope that Adobe bring out an update soon. Cheers, Dave On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 2:19 AM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To be fair, I should add that I haven't tried the Pentax software since the first version that came with the *istD. Am I missing something? That first version delivered noisy results and didn't allow for stretching the dynamic range like ACR does. The results were not pleasing. I didn't know that anyone was using Pentax software for RAW conversion. Is your claim of superiority based on comparisons? Should I give it another chance? Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K20D PEF Files On a Mac?
To be fair, I should add that I haven't tried the Pentax software since the first version that came with the *istD. Am I missing something? That first version delivered noisy results and didn't allow for stretching the dynamic range like ACR does. The results were not pleasing. I didn't know that anyone was using Pentax software for RAW conversion. Is your claim of superiority based on comparisons? Should I give it another chance? Paul On Mar 1, 2008, at 10:46 PM, David Savage wrote: OK On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 12:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pentax Photo Lab processed shots may look less noisy, but they lose detail as well. If you saw the 1600 ISO shots I posted, I think you'd have to agree that they're coparable to ISO 400 K10D shots in terms of noise -- with no loss of detail. They're all ACR processed. I have never seen any benefit to using the Pentax software. In the past or now. ACR used correctly -- or lightroom, which is the same code -- is far superior. Paul -- Original message -- From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not IMO. Pics processed with Pentax Photo lab, especially high ISO shots, have their noise controlled much better Shame that the program is such a PITA to use. CHeers, Dave On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 12:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ACR works splendidly with the K20D DNG files. Paul -- Original message -- From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] The K20D .pef formt is different enought that ACR doesn't know what to do with them. I'm waiting for an Adobe update as ACR doesn't seem to handle the RAW files as well as the supplied Pentax software (urgh) Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
K20D PEF Files On a Mac?
Does anyone know how to convert PEF files to DNG's? I can't get the freakin' Pentax software to install on my Mac. Lightroom can't read em, nor can PS3/Bridge or Bibble. Thanks, Jay -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K20D PEF Files On a Mac?
I just shoot DNG. No problem. Paul -- Original message -- From: Jay Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does anyone know how to convert PEF files to DNG's? I can't get the freakin' Pentax software to install on my Mac. Lightroom can't read em, nor can PS3/Bridge or Bibble. Thanks, Jay -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K20D PEF Files On a Mac?
Do you have the latest version of Adobe's Camera RAW installed? Adobe's usually very good about keeping up to date on the various RAW formats, and PEF has been around for a while nowin fact, Lightroom can read all the PEFs from my old *stD On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 9:08 PM, Jay Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know how to convert PEF files to DNG's? I can't get the freakin' Pentax software to install on my Mac. Lightroom can't read em, nor can PS3/Bridge or Bibble. Thanks, Jay -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K20D PEF Files On a Mac?
It's not updated for the K20D yet. -Adam On 3/1/08, Amita Guha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you have the latest version of Adobe's Camera RAW installed? Adobe's usually very good about keeping up to date on the various RAW formats, and PEF has been around for a while nowin fact, Lightroom can read all the PEFs from my old *stD On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 9:08 PM, Jay Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know how to convert PEF files to DNG's? I can't get the freakin' Pentax software to install on my Mac. Lightroom can't read em, nor can PS3/Bridge or Bibble. Thanks, Jay -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K20D PEF Files On a Mac?
The K20D .pef formt is different enought that ACR doesn't know what to do with them. I'm waiting for an Adobe update as ACR doesn't seem to handle the RAW files as well as the supplied Pentax software (urgh) Cheers, Dave On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Amita Guha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you have the latest version of Adobe's Camera RAW installed? Adobe's usually very good about keeping up to date on the various RAW formats, and PEF has been around for a while nowin fact, Lightroom can read all the PEFs from my old *stD On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 9:08 PM, Jay Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know how to convert PEF files to DNG's? I can't get the freakin' Pentax software to install on my Mac. Lightroom can't read em, nor can PS3/Bridge or Bibble. Thanks, Jay -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K20D PEF Files On a Mac?
ACR works splendidly with the K20D DNG files. Paul -- Original message -- From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] The K20D .pef formt is different enought that ACR doesn't know what to do with them. I'm waiting for an Adobe update as ACR doesn't seem to handle the RAW files as well as the supplied Pentax software (urgh) Cheers, Dave On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Amita Guha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you have the latest version of Adobe's Camera RAW installed? Adobe's usually very good about keeping up to date on the various RAW formats, and PEF has been around for a while nowin fact, Lightroom can read all the PEFs from my old *stD On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 9:08 PM, Jay Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know how to convert PEF files to DNG's? I can't get the freakin' Pentax software to install on my Mac. Lightroom can't read em, nor can PS3/Bridge or Bibble. Thanks, Jay -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K20D PEF Files On a Mac?
Not IMO. Pics processed with Pentax Photo lab, especially high ISO shots, have their noise controlled much better Shame that the program is such a PITA to use. CHeers, Dave On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 12:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ACR works splendidly with the K20D DNG files. Paul -- Original message -- From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] The K20D .pef formt is different enought that ACR doesn't know what to do with them. I'm waiting for an Adobe update as ACR doesn't seem to handle the RAW files as well as the supplied Pentax software (urgh) Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K20D PEF Files On a Mac?
Pentax Photo Lab processed shots may look less noisy, but they lose detail as well. If you saw the 1600 ISO shots I posted, I think you'd have to agree that they're coparable to ISO 400 K10D shots in terms of noise -- with no loss of detail. They're all ACR processed. I have never seen any benefit to using the Pentax software. In the past or now. ACR used correctly -- or lightroom, which is the same code -- is far superior. Paul -- Original message -- From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not IMO. Pics processed with Pentax Photo lab, especially high ISO shots, have their noise controlled much better Shame that the program is such a PITA to use. CHeers, Dave On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 12:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ACR works splendidly with the K20D DNG files. Paul -- Original message -- From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] The K20D .pef formt is different enought that ACR doesn't know what to do with them. I'm waiting for an Adobe update as ACR doesn't seem to handle the RAW files as well as the supplied Pentax software (urgh) Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K20D PEF Files On a Mac?
Jay Taylor wrote on Sat, 01 Mar 2008 18:18:57 -0800 Does anyone know how to convert PEF files to DNG's? I can't get the freakin' Pentax software to install on my Mac. Lightroom can't read em, nor can PS3/Bridge or Bibble. I also had problems with the Pentax installer for PPB/PPL v3.5 which came with my K20D - it seems to be broken. I called Pentax but their support technician was clueless so I had to figure it out for myself. The good news is that you can deal with the problem by opening the installer package using the Show Package Contents command in the right-click menu. Then you need to find the package INSTPUT035 via the path ContentsResourcesOSXINSTPUT035. The two programs PPB and PPL are within INSTPUT035. Open it using the Show Package Contents command again and simply copy them to your application folder. (I keep mine in a folder labeled PENTAX Digital Camera Utility, which is the folder the installer would generate if it were working.) The bad news is that these programs are still buggy in operation - they tend to crash a lot. Save early and save often... Regards, Jim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
