Re: OT - Luxury Fuji Mirrorless Cameras Coming Soon
On 16/11/11, Miserere, discombobulated, unleashed: I appears Fuji might be trying to prove me wrong, while at the same time give Pentax the finger by naming the camera LX. It's not like we haven't been telling Pentax to release a digital LX for the last 8 years: http://photorumors.com/2011/11/15/fuji-mirrorless-camera-leaked/ In all fairness, the LX names is being pulled out of someone's rear end; just because the lenses have LX written on their mounts with permanent marker doesn't mean that's the name of the camera. There is one thing about this camera that will make me more inclined to buy it: It has the lens release button in the right/correct/proper location (i.e., the same place as Pentax cameras, the only brand who's got it right). So whaddya think, Cotty? Fuji are slated to release a higher end camera next year, so it's entirely feasible. If I had the money I'd buy an X10 tomorrow. The huge selling point for me is the usable optical viewfinder. Which is funny because I use a very high quality EVF on my video camera every day (actually a small CRT, not LCD) and even though it is superb for focussing and composing, for stills I would have optical every time. So yeah, I would be very interested. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - “Luxury” Fuji Mirrorless Cameras Coming Soon
I appears Fuji might be trying to prove me wrong, while at the same time give Pentax the finger by naming the camera LX. It's not like we haven't been telling Pentax to release a digital LX for the last 8 years: http://photorumors.com/2011/11/15/fuji-mirrorless-camera-leaked/ In all fairness, the LX names is being pulled out of someone's rear end; just because the lenses have LX written on their mounts with permanent marker doesn't mean that's the name of the camera. There is one thing about this camera that will make me more inclined to buy it: It has the lens release button in the right/correct/proper location (i.e., the same place as Pentax cameras, the only brand who's got it right). So whaddya think, Cotty? Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment On 9 July 2011 11:08, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: As much as I liked the GXR, it's not what *I* have been waiting for...but closer than a DSLR, that's for sure. I have this feeling that Fuji are going to release something similar to the X100 (interchangeable lenses and EVF only) but do so with the m4/3 mount (seeing as Fuji is a 4/3 partner), when all they really have to do is release the X100 AS IS with a set of primes and electronic framelines in the OVF. Same sensor, same electronics, just add a few lines of code to change the framelines when one of 3 primes is mounted. If they want to release a 135mm prime, then people can use the EVF. If they release a 10mm prime, then again, EVF, or an accessory EVF for $250. In short, instead of going for the discerning photographer, like Godfrey, Cotty or me (OK, maybe not Cotty), they're doing the usual Japanese bravado thing: We plan to dominate the interchangeable mirrorless market by the first half of the third quarter of 2014. Subtext: Instead of releasing an awesome camera system based on the X100 we are going to squander all the earned karma and ignore the lessons being taught to us by the X100's success and produce a mass-market POSX-1 camera that doesn't make anyone completely happy because it doesn't have a soul, nor an ISO dial. I wasn't planning on a rant, so sorry for not warning you. —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment On 8 July 2011 01:02, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: ... and Leica already announced they are working on a new mirrorless (LIVE) camera system to debut next year. I tell ya, this is the direction I've been waiting to see happen. The technology for true, from the ground up digital imaging system cameras is coming into being even as we speak. This little GXR is the bee's knees for a camera so small and light. It's what I've been hoping to see since 2002. :-) G On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 9:12 PM, Anthony Farr farranth...@gmail.com wrote: http://tinyurl.com/3rj9pxu or http://www.photographybay.com/2011/07/06/luxury-fuji-mirrorless-cameras-coming-soon/?awt_l=CE3oFawt_m=JIOer33Lwv62xu regards, Anthony Of what use is lens and light to those who lack in mind and sight (Anon) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Luxury Fuji Mirrorless Cameras Coming Soon
On 9/7/11, Miserere, discombobulated, unleashed: In short, instead of going for the discerning photographer, like Godfrey, Cotty or me (OK, maybe not Cotty), I'll second that. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Luxury Fuji Mirrorless Cameras Coming Soon
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 11:38 PM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: On 9/7/11, Miserere, discombobulated, unleashed: In short, instead of going for the discerning photographer, like Godfrey, Cotty or me (OK, maybe not Cotty), I'll second that. Me third! What are we discerning? ]'-) -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - “Luxury” Fuji Mirrorless Cameras Coming Soon
On 9 July 2011 13:12, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Miserere, either you have a glass ball of prophecy, or you know something we, mere humans, don't, or may be you're somewhat depressed. Your few last posts on the subject of this and the Pentax/Ricoh merger are a bit concerning. If I were close to you, I would have invited you over here for a glass of good white brandy that I have in stock. You ought to loosen/lighten up some... Boris I appreciate your concern, Boris. I don't drink Brandy (or scotch, or port, or...) but I do enjoy a good beer, which I'm sure you could also provide, and I'd be happy to consume with you while we chat about the merits of f/1.2 lenses on a cropped sensor :-) I don't have a crystal ball, just the experience of these past 4 years spent looking at the camera market and reading what the various camera brands put out in official memos and interviews. I've come to the conclusion that camera makers are not interested in providing us the camera we want, but rather an average camera than an average consumer will buy. You know how a Formula 1 car never travels at the average speed clocked during a race? I find cameras are the same: There is no average customer that an average camera is going to be really happy, instead each customer has to bend over and twist themselves to adapt to shooting with an average camera. This state of affairs annoys me to no end. I'll leave it at that. —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - “Luxury” Fuji Mirrorless Cameras Coming Soon
On 7/11/2011 00:09, Miserere wrote: On 9 July 2011 13:12, Boris Libermanbori...@gmail.com wrote: I appreciate your concern, Boris. I don't drink Brandy (or scotch, or port, or...) but I do enjoy a good beer, which I'm sure you could also provide, and I'd be happy to consume with you while we chat about the merits of f/1.2 lenses on a cropped sensor :-) We have some fascinating low production volume breweries that you might want to sample, Miserere. As for f/1.2 lens, it is practically retired as sad as it sounds. You see, my K-5's screen is not aligned with sufficient precision to allow working with this lens and I am too tired to start yet another saga with Katz Eye screen and all. So, I've attached 50/1.2 to MX and occasionally I take a shot or two with it. This is practically retirement. I don't have a crystal ball, just the experience of these past 4 years spent looking at the camera market and reading what the various camera brands put out in official memos and interviews. I've come to the conclusion that camera makers are not interested in providing us the camera we want, but rather an average camera than an average consumer will buy. You know how a Formula 1 car never travels at the average speed clocked during a race? I find cameras are the same: There is no average customer that an average camera is going to be really happy, instead each customer has to bend over and twist themselves to adapt to shooting with an average camera. This state of affairs annoys me to no end. I'll leave it at that. Well, what you say makes a lot of sense, but since I realize dwelling in this further would sadden you, let bygones be bygones, so to say. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - “Luxury” Fuji Mirrorless Cameras Coming Soon
As much as I liked the GXR, it's not what *I* have been waiting for...but closer than a DSLR, that's for sure. I have this feeling that Fuji are going to release something similar to the X100 (interchangeable lenses and EVF only) but do so with the m4/3 mount (seeing as Fuji is a 4/3 partner), when all they really have to do is release the X100 AS IS with a set of primes and electronic framelines in the OVF. Same sensor, same electronics, just add a few lines of code to change the framelines when one of 3 primes is mounted. If they want to release a 135mm prime, then people can use the EVF. If they release a 10mm prime, then again, EVF, or an accessory EVF for $250. In short, instead of going for the discerning photographer, like Godfrey, Cotty or me (OK, maybe not Cotty), they're doing the usual Japanese bravado thing: We plan to dominate the interchangeable mirrorless market by the first half of the third quarter of 2014. Subtext: Instead of releasing an awesome camera system based on the X100 we are going to squander all the earned karma and ignore the lessons being taught to us by the X100's success and produce a mass-market POSX-1 camera that doesn't make anyone completely happy because it doesn't have a soul, nor an ISO dial. I wasn't planning on a rant, so sorry for not warning you. —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment On 8 July 2011 01:02, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: ... and Leica already announced they are working on a new mirrorless (LIVE) camera system to debut next year. I tell ya, this is the direction I've been waiting to see happen. The technology for true, from the ground up digital imaging system cameras is coming into being even as we speak. This little GXR is the bee's knees for a camera so small and light. It's what I've been hoping to see since 2002. :-) G On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 9:12 PM, Anthony Farr farranth...@gmail.com wrote: http://tinyurl.com/3rj9pxu or http://www.photographybay.com/2011/07/06/luxury-fuji-mirrorless-cameras-coming-soon/?awt_l=CE3oFawt_m=JIOer33Lwv62xu regards, Anthony Of what use is lens and light to those who lack in mind and sight (Anon) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - “Luxury” Fuji Mirrorless Cameras Coming Soon
On 7/8/2011 08:02, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: It's what I've been hoping to see since 2002. :-) Patience is a virtue in our craft/hobby/art/profession (underline the relevant, strike out the irrelevant). Boris being somewhat jocular. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - “Luxury” Fuji Mirrorless Cameras Coming Soon
On 7/9/2011 18:08, Miserere wrote: As much as I liked the GXR, it's not what *I* have been waiting for...but closer than a DSLR, that's for sure. I have this feeling that Fuji are going to release something similar to the X100 (interchangeable lenses and EVF only) but do so with the m4/3 mount (seeing as Fuji is a 4/3 partner), when all they really have to do is release the X100 AS IS with a set of primes and electronic framelines in the OVF. Same sensor, same electronics, just add a few lines of code to change the framelines when one of 3 primes is mounted. If they want to release a 135mm prime, then people can use the EVF. If they release a 10mm prime, then again, EVF, or an accessory EVF for $250. In short, instead of going for the discerning photographer, like Godfrey, Cotty or me (OK, maybe not Cotty), they're doing the usual Japanese bravado thing: We plan to dominate the interchangeable mirrorless market by the first half of the third quarter of 2014. Subtext: Instead of releasing an awesome camera system based on the X100 we are going to squander all the earned karma and ignore the lessons being taught to us by the X100's success and produce a mass-market POSX-1 camera that doesn't make anyone completely happy because it doesn't have a soul, nor an ISO dial. I wasn't planning on a rant, so sorry for not warning you. —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment Miserere, either you have a glass ball of prophecy, or you know something we, mere humans, don't, or may be you're somewhat depressed. Your few last posts on the subject of this and the Pentax/Ricoh merger are a bit concerning. If I were close to you, I would have invited you over here for a glass of good white brandy that I have in stock. You ought to loosen/lighten up some... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - “Luxury” Fuji Mirrorless Cameras Coming Soon
On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 8:08 AM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: As much as I liked the GXR, it's not what *I* have been waiting for...but closer than a DSLR, that's for sure. ... LOL ... Well, it isn't *quite* what I was waiting for either, but it's close. My brief for a modern digital camera, sent to Panasonic, Leica, and Olympus around about 2006, suggested a camera with the following characteristics: - about the dimensions and weight of a Leica CL - an electronically coupled optical rangefinder/viewfinder * - an articulated, high resolution LCD for configuration/control menus as well as framing and focusing - base it on the FourThirds format and sensor technology with 10 to 20 Mpixels - clean and functional ergonomics ... the right mix of discrete controls to operate the camera without needing to use menus - ability to use a high quality set of fast prime lenses in native AF - ability to use FourThirds mount lenses for both manual and auto focus via adaptation - ability to use Leica M-bayonet mount lenses - price the body at around $1600 MSRP with native prime lenses in the $500-1500 range depending on focal length and speed. I articulated a few other things in the brief, but these were the basics. * I completely missed on the notion of eye-level electronic viewfinders. My thought was to incorporate a built-in tunnel-optical coincident rangefinder, Leica M style but with coupling via electronics rather than mechanical cams and frame lines for the four most common FoVs (equivalent ultra-wide (24-28), wide (35-40), normal (50), portrait tele (75-85)). Provide add-on optical viewfinders beyond that specific for focal lengths outside that range. Leica M lenses with mechanical RF cams would operate the optical RF through a variable resistor setup, the native prime lenses and the FourThirds SLR lenses would be driven through the E-system existing electronic protocol for focus and aperture control. My thought was that this new class of compact professional electronic rangefinder would not obsolete SLRs, it would be a new class of electronic camera to use alongside the SLRs when compactness, quiet operation and light weight were a priority. My bias to prime lenses in the relatively constrained range easily encompassed by an optical finder with framelines is obvious ... I figured that for the SLR system's bulky zoom lenses, people would naturally opt for the SLR anyway as they balance better with larger bodies. Anyway, the mirrorless development was already well underway at that point by all indications, whether anything in my brief was useful to anyone at the companies I sent it to is questionable at best. They went with EVFs instead of optical finders ... for sound reasons ... and as good as modern EVFs are getting to be, I still generally prefer optical tunnel and pro-grade SLR viewfinders for a lot of work. A high quality, high resolution LCD is superb for focusing and framing in other circumstances (think landscape, table top, macro, etc.) and an EVF adds the eye level handling back to the LCD notion. Where all this goes in the future I am eager to see. I am very interested to see what Olympus new E-P3 line works like, the GXR's M-bayonet camera module will expand that camera's versatility and domain by a lot (and manual focus M-bayonet lenses should solve the one negative I find with the Ricoh ... that the focus servo responsiveness of the two current A12 camera modules is inadequate to accurate manual focusing, it's really an AF and 'focus by zone' camera with the current camera modules). What Leica brings to the electronic interchangeable lens compact I'm eager to see, what Fuji brings ... all good. My own photography is moving more and more into the realm of a Leica M and two/three good lenses will do me fine. And depending on how money and work pan out in the months ahead, I might just do that and keep my lovely old Olympus E-1 with the two macro lenses around purely for the table-top work I do. But that's another meditation to write another day. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
