Re: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop, , replacement
From: Joseph McAllister In the early 80's Microsoft practically gave away their PCs and all their software to many government offices. They even included the bookcase for all those maroon boxes with gold lettering. Out went the Wang terminals, in came the PCs. I don't remember Microsoft doing hardware. When we got our first office computers in the Army, they were from Zenith Data Systems. The only Microsoft software they ran was MS-DOS 3.3. The office function was handled by a bundled program called Enable - with a spreadsheet, word processor presentation program. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop, , replacement
My bad. In our case (large government facility already running 3 - or 6 - IBM 360 mainframes) the hardware were all IBM PCs, green-screen monitors, keyboards, no mice or trackball. One piece of software was out of place - Lotus 123 - yellow and blue (green?) box. They were really sweating that all the secretaries would take forever to learn to use them. Production would suffer, tempers would flare. Classes were held, etc.. They survived. My department already had color monitors with light-pens, hooked to the mainframes, mostly used for production timing and scheduling. On May 23, 2013, at 08:04 , John Sessoms wrote: From: Joseph McAllister In the early 80's Microsoft practically gave away their PCs and all their software to many government offices. They even included the bookcase for all those maroon boxes with gold lettering. Out went the Wang terminals, in came the PCs. I don't remember Microsoft doing hardware. When we got our first office computers in the Army, they were from Zenith Data Systems. The only Microsoft software they ran was MS-DOS 3.3. The office function was handled by a bundled program called Enable - with a spreadsheet, word processor presentation program. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop, replacement
In the early 80's Microsoft practically gave away their PCs and all their software to many government offices. They even included the bookcase for all those maroon boxes with gold lettering. Out went the Wang terminals, in came the PCs. I imagine it was in response to Apple outfitting many of the school systems in the country with Apple ][ setup at just above cost. It took MS decades to overcome that head-start in education. Back them, there was a dichotomy between educational computing and business. Apple even had some university's telling students that had to have a Macintosh laptop for some courses. The games they play. Apple DID have a assembly facility in Ireland in the late eighties. I had always assumed that was still in operation. No longer, apparently. It makes sense to keep their overseas billions there. Easier to pay the Chinese and other manufacturers from there rather than sending them good old US currency! On May 20, 2013, at 16:23 , P.J. Alling wrote: On 5/19/2013 11:26 PM, Doug Franklin wrote: On 2013-05-19 19:17, P.J. Alling wrote: On 5/8/2013 3:56 AM, David Mann wrote: On May 8, 2013, at 4:45 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: Not to mention what are you going to do if the FBI decides Adobe's cloud is the new Megaupload? Adobe's pockets are probably deep enough that the Feds would have to actually do some due diligence first. Cheers, Dave Deep pockets help after the fact, not necessary before. Bullshit. Deep pockets lead to grease, in this case, avoiding the after the fact completely Many large corporations do use exactly that. However you could have told that to Microsoft. They didn't actually start that behavior until after the anti trust action. I guess they thought that they were immune. I'm not saying they weren't evil and corrupt, just not in that way until after they got burned. Joseph McAllister Pentaxian -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 5/19/2013 11:26 PM, Doug Franklin wrote: On 2013-05-19 19:17, P.J. Alling wrote: On 5/8/2013 3:56 AM, David Mann wrote: On May 8, 2013, at 4:45 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: Not to mention what are you going to do if the FBI decides Adobe's cloud is the new Megaupload? Adobe's pockets are probably deep enough that the Feds would have to actually do some due diligence first. Cheers, Dave Deep pockets help after the fact, not necessary before. Bullshit. Deep pockets lead to grease, in this case, avoiding the after the fact completely Many large corporations do use exactly that. However you could have told that to Microsoft. They didn't actually start that behavior until after the anti trust action. I guess they thought that they were immune. I'm not saying they weren't evil and corrupt, just not in that way until after they got burned. -- There are two kinds of computer users those who've experienced a hard drive failure, and those that will. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop, replacement
On 5/8/2013 3:56 AM, David Mann wrote: On May 8, 2013, at 4:45 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: Not to mention what are you going to do if the FBI decides Adobe's cloud is the new Megaupload? Adobe's pockets are probably deep enough that the Feds would have to actually do some due diligence first. Cheers, Dave Deep pockets help after the fact, not necessary before. -- There are two kinds of computer users those who've experienced a hard drive failure, and those that will. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop, replacement
On 2013-05-19 19:17, P.J. Alling wrote: On 5/8/2013 3:56 AM, David Mann wrote: On May 8, 2013, at 4:45 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: Not to mention what are you going to do if the FBI decides Adobe's cloud is the new Megaupload? Adobe's pockets are probably deep enough that the Feds would have to actually do some due diligence first. Cheers, Dave Deep pockets help after the fact, not necessary before. Bullshit. Deep pockets lead to grease, in this case, avoiding the after the fact completely. -- Doug Lefty Franklin NutDriver Racing http://NutDriver.org Facebook NutDriver Racing Sponsored by Murphy -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop, replacement
That's been a little over-worked by now. Hitler's become just like Mikey, He hates everything. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34wJt3pRY0w So far, the only effect I'm seeing in my own life is I'm now getting emails from Amazon.com every day trying to sell me Photoshop CS6. From: P.J. Alling Some people are really upset by this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67Iw9q2X9cU On 5/7/2013 10:35 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: If you hadn't heard, Adobe announced a new Photoshop version, CC, and announced that henceforth you cannot purchase the former Creative Suite tools anymore: you must rent them. CC stands for Creative Cloud, and all the tools (except consumer, like Elements, and Lightroom I think) will be paid for by monthly or annual subscription. So if you're a photographer like me, you can have Photoshop alone for $19.95 a month. If you cancel your subscription -- poof! -- your copy of Photoshop no longer functions. The whole subscription pricing model makes sense and contains lots of benefits for fulltime professionals, but the rug has been pulled out from under amateurs, part-timers and hobbyists. We tend to buy an upgrade to Photoshop for $200 or so and then skip a version or two before doing that again, so Photoshop costs us about $100 a year or less. Now it will cost $240/year in perpetuity. This has just got to create a market for a decent Photographer's Photoshop Clone to appear. Something that supports 16-bits, RAW formats, full layers, and ideally Ps plugin support. Maybe the Gimpers will step up to the plate? At this point it appears the best choice would be to own CS6 and hold onto to it until it's no longer supported by your OS. Hopefully an alternative will appear by then. Here's Scott Kelby's FAQ on this change where he puts as positive a spin as he can on it. But read the comments for the mood of the people. http://scottkelby.com/2013/my-take-on-adobes-announcements-yesterday-at-the-max-conference -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Some people are really upset by this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67Iw9q2X9cU On 5/7/2013 10:35 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: If you hadn't heard, Adobe announced a new Photoshop version, CC, and announced that henceforth you cannot purchase the former Creative Suite tools anymore: you must rent them. CC stands for Creative Cloud, and all the tools (except consumer, like Elements, and Lightroom I think) will be paid for by monthly or annual subscription. So if you're a photographer like me, you can have Photoshop alone for $19.95 a month. If you cancel your subscription -- poof! -- your copy of Photoshop no longer functions. The whole subscription pricing model makes sense and contains lots of benefits for fulltime professionals, but the rug has been pulled out from under amateurs, part-timers and hobbyists. We tend to buy an upgrade to Photoshop for $200 or so and then skip a version or two before doing that again, so Photoshop costs us about $100 a year or less. Now it will cost $240/year in perpetuity. This has just got to create a market for a decent Photographer's Photoshop Clone to appear. Something that supports 16-bits, RAW formats, full layers, and ideally Ps plugin support. Maybe the Gimpers will step up to the plate? At this point it appears the best choice would be to own CS6 and hold onto to it until it's no longer supported by your OS. Hopefully an alternative will appear by then. Here's Scott Kelby's FAQ on this change where he puts as positive a spin as he can on it. But read the comments for the mood of the people. http://scottkelby.com/2013/my-take-on-adobes-announcements-yesterday-at-the-max-conference -- -bmw -- There are two kinds of computer users those who've experienced a hard drive failure, and those that will. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Or you could just keep using the original CS (Photoshop 8) like me ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Producion --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 8/5/13, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: What the Duck gets it: http://www.whattheduck.net/strip/1382 LOL!!! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Producion --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On May 9, 2013, at 5:28 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: I upgraded to CS6 last July because I didn't want to get screwed over on version control when CS7 came out. CS6 was when they implemented the new policy that only users one level down would be allowed to upgrade ... subsequently temporarily rescinded for CS4 users who wanted to upgrade, but adamantly in place for all future Photoshop upgrades. Yes I wasn't happy with that policy change. I normally upgrade every second release because I don't usually have a need for the newest features, and my money tree has been suffering a bit of a drought lately. So I'm actually glad to at least see a subscription model being made available because if I skip just one version now I'll have to pay the full price the next time. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On May 8, 2013, at 4:45 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: Not to mention what are you going to do if the FBI decides Adobe's cloud is the new Megaupload? Adobe's pockets are probably deep enough that the Feds would have to actually do some due diligence first. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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What the Duck gets it: http://www.whattheduck.net/strip/1382 -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Har! Perfect. On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: What the Duck gets it: http://www.whattheduck.net/strip/1382 -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: steve harley on 2013-05-07 10:51 John Sessoms wrote There was no upgrade to CS6, only to CS6 Extended Edition. Cost $400 from CS5. there was an upgrade to the non-Extended Photoshop CS6 for $200 CS6 upgrades were only available directly from Adobe, so i can no longer find the upgrade pricing page (Adobe has redirected many old pages to a creative suite landing page) When I upgraded from standard CS5, I couldn't find an upgrade to standard CS6 on Adobe's web site. So I dug around on the site until I finally found an 800 number and called Adobe to order the upgrade over the telephone. The person I spoke to at Adobe told me there was no upgrade to standard CS6; the only upgrade available was to extended CS6. I don't discount the possibility that whoever I spoke to at Adobe lied to me. FWIW, there was one feature available only in the Extended edition that I wanted ... it was only available in CS5 Extended, not in CS5 Standard ... so I might have upgraded to CS6 Extended anyway if I had been given a choice. But, for the life of me, I can't remember what that feature was now, or if I've actually used it since upgrading. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I upgraded to CS6 last July because I didn't want to get screwed over on version control when CS7 came out. CS6 was when they implemented the new policy that only users one level down would be allowed to upgrade ... subsequently temporarily rescinded for CS4 users who wanted to upgrade, but adamantly in place for all future Photoshop upgrades. Now it's questionable if there ever will be a Photoshop CS7 or any future upgrades at all. From: Mark C On 5/7/2013 2:16 PM, steve harley wrote: CS6 upgrades were only available directly from Adobe, so i can no longer find the upgrade pricing page (Adobe has redirected many old pages to a creative suite landing page) I just upgrade from CS5 to CS6 - Photoshop only (not extended). This is the link - https://www.adobe.com/products/catalog/cs6._sl_id-contentfilter_sl_catalog_sl_software_sl_creativesuite6.html?start=20 Don't be put off by the price - click on Buy and then click the drop down button on I want to buy and select upgrade. Badda bing badda boom, there yous goes and it is only $199 is you qualify for the upgrade. I upgraded because I do not want to be tethered to an internet connection. I very frequently find myself in places where there is no internet connection. they are just too wild. Of course, then I wake up and I am in bed and have to get to work and none of my photos are accessible... but I really want to believe that I need something NOT tethered to the internet... Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It's not questionable. Adobe has flatly stated: no more non-subscription Photoshop (or any of the other CS suite players). CS6 is the end of the line. It's all CC by subscription going forward. On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 1:28 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: I upgraded to CS6 last July because I didn't want to get screwed over on version control when CS7 came out. CS6 was when they implemented the new policy that only users one level down would be allowed to upgrade ... subsequently temporarily rescinded for CS4 users who wanted to upgrade, but adamantly in place for all future Photoshop upgrades. Now it's questionable if there ever will be a Photoshop CS7 or any future upgrades at all. From: Mark C On 5/7/2013 2:16 PM, steve harley wrote: CS6 upgrades were only available directly from Adobe, so i can no longer find the upgrade pricing page (Adobe has redirected many old pages to a creative suite landing page) I just upgrade from CS5 to CS6 - Photoshop only (not extended). This is the link - https://www.adobe.com/products/catalog/cs6._sl_id-contentfilter_sl_catalog_sl_software_sl_creativesuite6.html?start=20 Don't be put off by the price - click on Buy and then click the drop down button on I want to buy and select upgrade. Badda bing badda boom, there yous goes and it is only $199 is you qualify for the upgrade. I upgraded because I do not want to be tethered to an internet connection. I very frequently find myself in places where there is no internet connection. they are just too wild. Of course, then I wake up and I am in bed and have to get to work and none of my photos are accessible... but I really want to believe that I need something NOT tethered to the internet... Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop replacement
Just a note. According to Adobe's FAQ, the CC version includes all of the features of the older extended version. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: It's not questionable. Adobe has flatly stated: no more non-subscription Photoshop (or any of the other CS suite players). CS6 is the end of the line. It's all CC by subscription going forward. On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 1:28 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: I upgraded to CS6 last July because I didn't want to get screwed over on version control when CS7 came out. CS6 was when they implemented the new policy that only users one level down would be allowed to upgrade ... subsequently temporarily rescinded for CS4 users who wanted to upgrade, but adamantly in place for all future Photoshop upgrades. Now it's questionable if there ever will be a Photoshop CS7 or any future upgrades at all. From: Mark C On 5/7/2013 2:16 PM, steve harley wrote: CS6 upgrades were only available directly from Adobe, so i can no longer find the upgrade pricing page (Adobe has redirected many old pages to a creative suite landing page) I just upgrade from CS5 to CS6 - Photoshop only (not extended). This is the link - https://www.adobe.com/products/catalog/cs6._sl_id-contentfilter_sl_catalog_sl_software_sl_creativesuite6.html?start=20 Don't be put off by the price - click on Buy and then click the drop down button on I want to buy and select upgrade. Badda bing badda boom, there yous goes and it is only $199 is you qualify for the upgrade. I upgraded because I do not want to be tethered to an internet connection. I very frequently find myself in places where there is no internet connection. they are just too wild. Of course, then I wake up and I am in bed and have to get to work and none of my photos are accessible... but I really want to believe that I need something NOT tethered to the internet... Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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on 2013-05-08 10:57 John Sessoms wrote So I dug around on the site until I finally found an 800 number and called Adobe to order the upgrade over the telephone. The person I spoke to at Adobe told me there was no upgrade to standard CS6; the only upgrade available was to extended CS6. I don't discount the possibility that whoever I spoke to at Adobe lied to me. seems like they misled you; as i said, Adobe has wiped most of the old pricing pages, but here's a review that clearly spells out the $200 non-extended upgrade path http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2401944,00.asp -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: This has just got to create a market for a decent Photographer's Photoshop Clone to appear. And hopefully it will run under Linux and thus do away with one of the last reasons to let ourselves be patronised and spied out by Apple. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop replacement
I think the majority of hobby photographers could live on Lightroom alone, Photoshop Elements alone or a combination of the two. It's also looking like a combination of Lightroom and the OnOne or Nik products would handle a lot of photographer needs. Assuming Lightroom is your hub, there are a lot of options unless you need some specific feature that is in Photoshop CC. GS George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Ralf R. Radermacher fotor...@gmx.de wrote: Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: This has just got to create a market for a decent Photographer's Photoshop Clone to appear. And hopefully it will run under Linux and thus do away with one of the last reasons to let ourselves be patronised and spied out by Apple. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop replacement
One of the falacies of cloud anything is that everyone has good internet access, esp. upload speeds. This is not the case in most rural areas of North America. I would go so far as to say that in Canada it is not even true in urban areas. Until recently my upload was a stellar 512kb/s. While these apps run on your machine, they intrinsically rely on upload to a cloud service to share the output. In the myths section it isn't clear if you can store the files anywhere that you please or if you must store in a cloud folder. One advantage fo rthe occasional user is that you can pay for a month, get your work done, then unsubscribe until the next batch. Might be cheaper in the end for some of us. Either way, the change over to recurring license fees is in line with the fact that you only license the sw in the first place. I imagine the price for physical copies of CS6 on ebay.ca will be going up :-) Gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Walker Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 10:35 AM To: Pentax Discuss Mailing List Subject: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop replacement If you hadn't heard, Adobe announced a new Photoshop version, CC, and announced that henceforth you cannot purchase the former Creative Suite tools anymore: you must rent them. CC stands for Creative Cloud, and all the tools (except consumer, like Elements, and Lightroom I think) will be paid for by monthly or annual subscription. So if you're a photographer like me, you can have Photoshop alone for $19.95 a month. If you cancel your subscription -- poof! -- your copy of Photoshop no longer functions. The whole subscription pricing model makes sense and contains lots of benefits for fulltime professionals, but the rug has been pulled out from under amateurs, part-timers and hobbyists. We tend to buy an upgrade to Photoshop for $200 or so and then skip a version or two before doing that again, so Photoshop costs us about $100 a year or less. Now it will cost $240/year in perpetuity. This has just got to create a market for a decent Photographer's Photoshop Clone to appear. Something that supports 16-bits, RAW formats, full layers, and ideally Ps plugin support. Maybe the Gimpers will step up to the plate? At this point it appears the best choice would be to own CS6 and hold onto to it until it's no longer supported by your OS. Hopefully an alternative will appear by then. Here's Scott Kelby's FAQ on this change where he puts as positive a spin as he can on it. But read the comments for the mood of the people. http://scottkelby.com/2013/my-take-on-adobes-announcements-yesterday-at-the- max-conference -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Let's hope you're right.. I was asleep at the switch at the end of last year, and missed my chance to upgrade from CS4. Now, I have to purchase CS6 outright (is that possible?), or jump on the cloud, I guess. I'm not a huge Photoshop user, and LR4 does more than LR3, so I have even less need of Ps, but there are some wonky things about using LR4 with CS4... can't merge a panorama as easily, need to export from LR, then open in Ps... We'll see just how much an aggravation it is to keep going with CS4... -c On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 11:29 AM, George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com wrote: I think the majority of hobby photographers could live on Lightroom alone, Photoshop Elements alone or a combination of the two. It's also looking like a combination of Lightroom and the OnOne or Nik products would handle a lot of photographer needs. Assuming Lightroom is your hub, there are a lot of options unless you need some specific feature that is in Photoshop CC. GS George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Ralf R. Radermacher fotor...@gmx.de wrote: Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: This has just got to create a market for a decent Photographer's Photoshop Clone to appear. And hopefully it will run under Linux and thus do away with one of the last reasons to let ourselves be patronised and spied out by Apple. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Gerrit, mechanically the CC apps behave like Adobe apps of old when you bought the download (no-box) version. Ie: you download a multi-megabyte file which you install, then run the app entirely on your workstation. Load and Save works as before for local files; nothing has changed there. No forced storing in the cloud. So the Cloud moniker is a bit of marketing hype. You get Behance Pro as part of your subscription and that lets you share work on Behance. It's cool, I have a Behance free account now that I use sporadically, but it's not a huge enticement to me. The main change with the Cloud thang is that you now subscribe rather than buy a perpetual license and the software checks every so often that you are still legal. Upgrades will happen more frequently, which is nice. If you subscribe annually the legality check only occurs every 180 days, so you could go off on a long trip and not worry -- in theory. Who knows in practice? On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Gerrit Visser gerrit...@gmail.com wrote: One of the falacies of cloud anything is that everyone has good internet access, esp. upload speeds. This is not the case in most rural areas of North America. I would go so far as to say that in Canada it is not even true in urban areas. Until recently my upload was a stellar 512kb/s. While these apps run on your machine, they intrinsically rely on upload to a cloud service to share the output. In the myths section it isn't clear if you can store the files anywhere that you please or if you must store in a cloud folder. One advantage fo rthe occasional user is that you can pay for a month, get your work done, then unsubscribe until the next batch. Might be cheaper in the end for some of us. Either way, the change over to recurring license fees is in line with the fact that you only license the sw in the first place. I imagine the price for physical copies of CS6 on ebay.ca will be going up :-) Gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Walker Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 10:35 AM To: Pentax Discuss Mailing List Subject: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop replacement If you hadn't heard, Adobe announced a new Photoshop version, CC, and announced that henceforth you cannot purchase the former Creative Suite tools anymore: you must rent them. CC stands for Creative Cloud, and all the tools (except consumer, like Elements, and Lightroom I think) will be paid for by monthly or annual subscription. So if you're a photographer like me, you can have Photoshop alone for $19.95 a month. If you cancel your subscription -- poof! -- your copy of Photoshop no longer functions. The whole subscription pricing model makes sense and contains lots of benefits for fulltime professionals, but the rug has been pulled out from under amateurs, part-timers and hobbyists. We tend to buy an upgrade to Photoshop for $200 or so and then skip a version or two before doing that again, so Photoshop costs us about $100 a year or less. Now it will cost $240/year in perpetuity. This has just got to create a market for a decent Photographer's Photoshop Clone to appear. Something that supports 16-bits, RAW formats, full layers, and ideally Ps plugin support. Maybe the Gimpers will step up to the plate? At this point it appears the best choice would be to own CS6 and hold onto to it until it's no longer supported by your OS. Hopefully an alternative will appear by then. Here's Scott Kelby's FAQ on this change where he puts as positive a spin as he can on it. But read the comments for the mood of the people. http://scottkelby.com/2013/my-take-on-adobes-announcements-yesterday-at-the- max-conference -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You can still buy CS6 and will be able to for some time. The link can be hard to find, but Scott provides it in his FAQ. (It's super-long else I'd just paste it here.) If you decide to go for the subscription and you own CS3 or later, you can get the Ps CC subscription for $9.99/month until July 31st. That price is only for a year, but one of the Adobe spokesmen said they'd urge that being upgraded to 5 years. At that price it becomes more palatable ... barely. On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Christine Nielsen ch...@inielsen.net wrote: Let's hope you're right.. I was asleep at the switch at the end of last year, and missed my chance to upgrade from CS4. Now, I have to purchase CS6 outright (is that possible?), or jump on the cloud, I guess. I'm not a huge Photoshop user, and LR4 does more than LR3, so I have even less need of Ps, but there are some wonky things about using LR4 with CS4... can't merge a panorama as easily, need to export from LR, then open in Ps... We'll see just how much an aggravation it is to keep going with CS4... -c On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 11:29 AM, George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com wrote: I think the majority of hobby photographers could live on Lightroom alone, Photoshop Elements alone or a combination of the two. It's also looking like a combination of Lightroom and the OnOne or Nik products would handle a lot of photographer needs. Assuming Lightroom is your hub, there are a lot of options unless you need some specific feature that is in Photoshop CC. GS George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Ralf R. Radermacher fotor...@gmx.de wrote: Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: This has just got to create a market for a decent Photographer's Photoshop Clone to appear. And hopefully it will run under Linux and thus do away with one of the last reasons to let ourselves be patronised and spied out by Apple. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yeah, I think if you are in an upgrade/purchase cycle every 18 months or so, anyway, it isn't so horrible. I just checked amazon - they are selling cs6 for $620 right now... At $120/year for the Ps CC subscription, well... I'm still aggravated that I didn't upgrade to CS6 when I had the chance, but I'll probably take that deal, just to fix the edit in bugs I have now. Sigh. They moved our cheese. :) -c On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: You can still buy CS6 and will be able to for some time. The link can be hard to find, but Scott provides it in his FAQ. (It's super-long else I'd just paste it here.) If you decide to go for the subscription and you own CS3 or later, you can get the Ps CC subscription for $9.99/month until July 31st. That price is only for a year, but one of the Adobe spokesmen said they'd urge that being upgraded to 5 years. At that price it becomes more palatable ... barely. On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Christine Nielsen ch...@inielsen.net wrote: Let's hope you're right.. I was asleep at the switch at the end of last year, and missed my chance to upgrade from CS4. Now, I have to purchase CS6 outright (is that possible?), or jump on the cloud, I guess. I'm not a huge Photoshop user, and LR4 does more than LR3, so I have even less need of Ps, but there are some wonky things about using LR4 with CS4... can't merge a panorama as easily, need to export from LR, then open in Ps... We'll see just how much an aggravation it is to keep going with CS4... -c On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 11:29 AM, George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com wrote: I think the majority of hobby photographers could live on Lightroom alone, Photoshop Elements alone or a combination of the two. It's also looking like a combination of Lightroom and the OnOne or Nik products would handle a lot of photographer needs. Assuming Lightroom is your hub, there are a lot of options unless you need some specific feature that is in Photoshop CC. GS George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Ralf R. Radermacher fotor...@gmx.de wrote: Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: This has just got to create a market for a decent Photographer's Photoshop Clone to appear. And hopefully it will run under Linux and thus do away with one of the last reasons to let ourselves be patronised and spied out by Apple. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: George Sinos I think the majority of hobby photographers could live on Lightroom alone, Photoshop Elements alone or a combination of the two. It's also looking like a combination of Lightroom and the OnOne or Nik products would handle a lot of photographer needs. Assuming Lightroom is your hub, there are a lot of options unless you need some specific feature that is in Photoshop CC. Lightroom don't got layers. Onions got layers, Ogres got layers ... I like layers. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Christine Nielsen ch...@inielsen.net wrote: Yeah, I think if you are in an upgrade/purchase cycle every 18 months or so, anyway, it isn't so horrible. Yes, it's the people who only upgrade every other version (or every third version) who are really screwed. They will now have to pay as much as the regular upgraders have always paid. Also, the people who bought legal copies but never allowed the software to phone home, as Adobe software does so frequently and enthusiastically, will be screwed. (Adobe Bridge makes close to a hundred attempts to get through my firewall every time I load it.) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Gerrit Visser One of the falacies of cloud anything is that everyone has good internet access, esp. upload speeds. This is not the case in most rural areas of North America. I would go so far as to say that in Canada it is not even true in urban areas. Until recently my upload was a stellar 512kb/s. While these apps run on your machine, they intrinsically rely on upload to a cloud service to share the output. In the myths section it isn't clear if you can store the files anywhere that you please or if you must store in a cloud folder. Not to mention what are you going to do if the FBI decides Adobe's cloud is the new Megaupload? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 10:29:14AM -0500, George Sinos wrote: I think the majority of hobby photographers could live on Lightroom alone, Photoshop Elements alone or a combination of the two. It's also looking like a combination of Lightroom and the OnOne or Nik products would handle a lot of photographer needs. Assuming Lightroom is your hub, there are a lot of options unless you need some specific feature that is in Photoshop CC. Until Lightroom goes to the subscription model in a year or two ... I could, perhaps, consider this as the only way to get access to new versions of the CS applications. But I find it unacceptable to be forced into paying a monthly fee in perpetuity just so I can continue to use an application. When you stop paying, you don't just lose your access to upgrades and bugfixes; you lose all access to the program. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Christine Nielsen Let's hope you're right.. I was asleep at the switch at the end of last year, and missed my chance to upgrade from CS4. Now, I have to purchase CS6 outright (is that possible?), or jump on the cloud, I guess. I'm not a huge Photoshop user, and LR4 does more than LR3, so I have even less need of Ps, but there are some wonky things about using LR4 with CS4... can't merge a panorama as easily, need to export from LR, then open in Ps... We'll see just how much an aggravation it is to keep going with CS4... There was no upgrade to CS6, only to CS6 Extended Edition. Cost $400 from CS5. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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John - One of the OnOne products has layers. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 11:51 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: Christine Nielsen Let's hope you're right.. I was asleep at the switch at the end of last year, and missed my chance to upgrade from CS4. Now, I have to purchase CS6 outright (is that possible?), or jump on the cloud, I guess. I'm not a huge Photoshop user, and LR4 does more than LR3, so I have even less need of Ps, but there are some wonky things about using LR4 with CS4... can't merge a panorama as easily, need to export from LR, then open in Ps... We'll see just how much an aggravation it is to keep going with CS4... There was no upgrade to CS6, only to CS6 Extended Edition. Cost $400 from CS5. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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on 2013-05-07 10:05 Bruce Walker wrote Gerrit, mechanically the CC apps behave like Adobe apps of old when you bought the download (no-box) version. Ie: you download a multi-megabyte file which you install, then run the app entirely on your workstation. Load and Save works as before for local files; nothing has changed there. No forced storing in the cloud. So the Cloud moniker is a bit of marketing hype. yes, it's a software subscription with a very misleading name; use of the software has nothing to do with clouds; i have completely ignore the cloud storage part (and refuse to use Adobe's name for my software subscription) If you subscribe annually the legality check only occurs every 180 days, so you could go off on a long trip and not worry -- in theory. Who knows in practice? i have had an annual agreement (monthly payments) since last May and it definitely checks in at least monthly, and has caused me hassles when i don't use at least one app in the suite once a month; others have had big problems when the associated credit card expired (Adobe just turned off the software, and it was not easy to get it restored) or do you mean if you pay for a year in advance? if that's possible now it's a new feature, probably in response to some very pointed complaints from people who would have preferred an annual invoice -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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on 2013-05-07 10:51 John Sessoms wrote There was no upgrade to CS6, only to CS6 Extended Edition. Cost $400 from CS5. there was an upgrade to the non-Extended Photoshop CS6 for $200 CS6 upgrades were only available directly from Adobe, so i can no longer find the upgrade pricing page (Adobe has redirected many old pages to a creative suite landing page) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Steve, apparently you can make an annual commitment and get lower prices as well as reduced checkin frequency. http://blogs.adobe.com/photoshopdotcom/2013/05/answering-your-questions-about-photoshop-cc.html On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 2:14 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: on 2013-05-07 10:05 Bruce Walker wrote Gerrit, mechanically the CC apps behave like Adobe apps of old when you bought the download (no-box) version. Ie: you download a multi-megabyte file which you install, then run the app entirely on your workstation. Load and Save works as before for local files; nothing has changed there. No forced storing in the cloud. So the Cloud moniker is a bit of marketing hype. yes, it's a software subscription with a very misleading name; use of the software has nothing to do with clouds; i have completely ignore the cloud storage part (and refuse to use Adobe's name for my software subscription) If you subscribe annually the legality check only occurs every 180 days, so you could go off on a long trip and not worry -- in theory. Who knows in practice? i have had an annual agreement (monthly payments) since last May and it definitely checks in at least monthly, and has caused me hassles when i don't use at least one app in the suite once a month; others have had big problems when the associated credit card expired (Adobe just turned off the software, and it was not easy to get it restored) or do you mean if you pay for a year in advance? if that's possible now it's a new feature, probably in response to some very pointed complaints from people who would have preferred an annual invoice -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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How much would you bet that as soon as these new cloud versions come on the market we find Adobe has changed file formats (particularly with Illustrator and InDesign) to deliberately force people into upgrades they otherwise wouldn't need? -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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on 2013-05-07 13:40 Bruce Walker wrote Steve, apparently you can make an annual commitment and get lower prices as well as reduced checkin frequency. http://blogs.adobe.com/photoshopdotcom/2013/05/answering-your-questions-about-photoshop-cc.html i made an annual commitment 12 months ago and it checked in at least monthly the link is a bit ambiguous; the two possible interpretations are: 1) there is now also an annual *prepaid* option, which will please some business users and/or 2) Adobe has changed the check-in period on the annual commitment (though it is billed monthly) in the latter case a user could theoretically cancel the credit card and keep using the software for 5 more months unpaid; i don't know whether Adobe would consider the attendant hassles a worthwhile risk the language (from your link): Q: I don’t want to have to be online constantly to use my software. A: You only have to be online to download and activate your software. Customers with an annual membership, who have provided a credit card to be used to renew their 12-month prepaid membership, will be able to use products for 3 months (99 days) when offline. Month-to-month customers will still need to validate every 30 days. The validation process is very lightweight and can be done over dial-up, tethered/connected to a mobile device, or at a wireless access point at a coffee shop. (180, not 99) days per a comment on the posting) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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on 2013-05-07 15:04 Mark Roberts wrote How much would you bet that as soon as these new cloud versions come on the market we find Adobe has changed file formats (particularly with Illustrator and InDesign) to deliberately force people into upgrades they otherwise wouldn't need? one hasn't been able to open InDesign files in a previous version for several years; there is only a one-version downgrade export, and IDML (which is imperfect and also has version considerations) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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steve harley wrote: on 2013-05-07 15:04 Mark Roberts wrote How much would you bet that as soon as these new cloud versions come on the market we find Adobe has changed file formats (particularly with Illustrator and InDesign) to deliberately force people into upgrades they otherwise wouldn't need? one hasn't been able to open InDesign files in a previous version for several years; there is only a one-version downgrade export, and IDML (which is imperfect and also has version considerations) This is exactly the kind of thing I'm complaining about. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2013/5/7 Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com: This has just got to create a market for a decent Photographer's Photoshop Clone to appear. Something that supports 16-bits, RAW formats, full layers, and ideally Ps plugin support. Maybe the Gimpers will step up to the plate? GIMP 2.10 will implement 16 bit. Will also have other nice features. And most importantly, it will never have restrictions like Adobe will force onto Photoshop users now. Maybe many prosumers will take a shot at it. Maybe they will hate it, maybe not. http://www.gimpusers.com/tutorials/whats-new-in-gimp-2-10 Thomas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 5/7/2013 2:16 PM, steve harley wrote: CS6 upgrades were only available directly from Adobe, so i can no longer find the upgrade pricing page (Adobe has redirected many old pages to a creative suite landing page) I just upgrade from CS5 to CS6 - Photoshop only (not extended). This is the link - https://www.adobe.com/products/catalog/cs6._sl_id-contentfilter_sl_catalog_sl_software_sl_creativesuite6.html?start=20 Don't be put off by the price - click on Buy and then click the drop down button on I want to buy and select upgrade. Badda bing badda boom, there yous goes and it is only $199 is you qualify for the upgrade. I upgraded because I do not want to be tethered to an internet connection. I very frequently find myself in places where there is no internet connection. they are just too wild. Of course, then I wake up and I am in bed and have to get to work and none of my photos are accessible... but I really want to believe that I need something NOT tethered to the internet... Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
