Re: PESO: Rediscovering the K-7
Exactly my thoughts too. I added quite a few thousand actuations to the K7 before replacing it with the K5 which allows practical TAV mode with its improved sensor. The new owner of the K7 happily shoots almost exclusively in the Kruger Park where there never seems to be a problem with light. Too harsh most of the time actually. Alan C On 05-Dec-20 09:58 PM, Mark C wrote: I shot more images with my K7 than any DSLR before or since, and at the time I was very happy with its performance. It was a step up from the K10D it replaced and much better than slide film for what I was doing back then. Not great above ISO 400 but I was delighted to be able to get good results at ISO 400... The K5 really re-set my expectations, though. Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Rediscovering the K-7
I shot more images with my K7 than any DSLR before or since, and at the time I was very happy with its performance. It was a step up from the K10D it replaced and much better than slide film for what I was doing back then. Not great above ISO 400 but I was delighted to be able to get good results at ISO 400... The K5 really re-set my expectations, though. Mark On 12/3/2020 1:53 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: The K-7 and I never really took to each other and I got myself one of the first K-5 ever sold in town. I hated the K-7's Samsung sensor, the limited dynamic range and the noise in everything shot at more than ISO 100. Yet, when I look at some of the photos I've taken with it, they have a special quality about them. A certain crispness, the restrained colours... Maybe the fact that I was less lazy, in those days, and made much more use of primes, tripods, and low ISOs also has something to do with it. Just came across this one and thought some of you might like it: https://www.fotocommunity.com/photo/entre-chien-et-loup-fotoralfbe/44605722 Enjoy Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Rediscovering the K-7
On Fri., Dec. 4, 2020, 4:52 p.m. Larry Colen, wrote: > > > > On Dec 4, 2020, at 2:13 PM, Bill wrote: > > > > On Fri., Dec. 4, 2020, 12:31 p.m. Ralf R Radermacher, > > wrote: > > > >> Am 04.12.20 um 19:16 schrieb Rick Womer: > >> > >>> When the K-5 came out, I waited a year for the bugs to get squashed, > and > >> then got one. > >> > >> Ah, the famous adhesive bubbles on the display problem. I had one from > >> the very first batch and eventually git to K-5 number 4 or 5 before the > >> trouble ended. Still, that was one fine camera only to be outdone by the > >> K-3 that I'm still using. > >> > > > > The K7 had the nicest flesh tone rendering of any digital camera I've > used, > > but it didn't like being used off of base ISO. It got really noisy really > > quickly. > > My K20 was fine at low ISO and sucked when pushed at all. Unfortunately, > most of my photography at the time was in low light, and My K-x certainly > rocked in that department. > > > I was doing most of my shooting in the studio, so I was good with it. > > I was an early adoptor of the K5 which was something of a mistake. My K5 > > pretty much sucked donkey balls. It was the worst camera I have ever > used, > > and is the reason I ended up buying a couple of Fuji bodies and half a > > dozen lenses. > > I wanted a camera that worked. > > Interesting, I’ve had great luck with K-5s. It was the first digital > camera I had that pretty much covered my critical needs, though the K-3 and > K-1 cover a bunch more of my serious wants. > My K5 had irreparable inaccurate auto focus. It was good outdoors as long as the subjects were neutral, but tungsten light, actually any light other than broad daylight, rendered the AF useless. The first few runs of the K5 had a variety of issues, all fairly major. My understanding is most of them got fixed as the camera matured. bill > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Rediscovering the K-7
> On Dec 4, 2020, at 2:13 PM, Bill wrote: > > On Fri., Dec. 4, 2020, 12:31 p.m. Ralf R Radermacher, > wrote: > >> Am 04.12.20 um 19:16 schrieb Rick Womer: >> >>> When the K-5 came out, I waited a year for the bugs to get squashed, and >> then got one. >> >> Ah, the famous adhesive bubbles on the display problem. I had one from >> the very first batch and eventually git to K-5 number 4 or 5 before the >> trouble ended. Still, that was one fine camera only to be outdone by the >> K-3 that I'm still using. >> > > The K7 had the nicest flesh tone rendering of any digital camera I've used, > but it didn't like being used off of base ISO. It got really noisy really > quickly. My K20 was fine at low ISO and sucked when pushed at all. Unfortunately, most of my photography at the time was in low light, and My K-x certainly rocked in that department. > I was doing most of my shooting in the studio, so I was good with it. > I was an early adoptor of the K5 which was something of a mistake. My K5 > pretty much sucked donkey balls. It was the worst camera I have ever used, > and is the reason I ended up buying a couple of Fuji bodies and half a > dozen lenses. > I wanted a camera that worked. Interesting, I’ve had great luck with K-5s. It was the first digital camera I had that pretty much covered my critical needs, though the K-3 and K-1 cover a bunch more of my serious wants. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Rediscovering the K-7
On Fri., Dec. 4, 2020, 12:31 p.m. Ralf R Radermacher, wrote: > Am 04.12.20 um 19:16 schrieb Rick Womer: > > > When the K-5 came out, I waited a year for the bugs to get squashed, and > then got one. > > Ah, the famous adhesive bubbles on the display problem. I had one from > the very first batch and eventually git to K-5 number 4 or 5 before the > trouble ended. Still, that was one fine camera only to be outdone by the > K-3 that I'm still using. > The K7 had the nicest flesh tone rendering of any digital camera I've used, but it didn't like being used off of base ISO. It got really noisy really quickly. I was doing most of my shooting in the studio, so I was good with it. I was an early adoptor of the K5 which was something of a mistake. My K5 pretty much sucked donkey balls. It was the worst camera I have ever used, and is the reason I ended up buying a couple of Fuji bodies and half a dozen lenses. I wanted a camera that worked. bill > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Rediscovering the K-7
Am 04.12.20 um 19:16 schrieb Rick Womer: When the K-5 came out, I waited a year for the bugs to get squashed, and then got one. Ah, the famous adhesive bubbles on the display problem. I had one from the very first batch and eventually git to K-5 number 4 or 5 before the trouble ended. Still, that was one fine camera only to be outdone by the K-3 that I'm still using. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Rediscovering the K-7
I moved from a K10D to a K-7, and was very happy (for a time) with the sensitivity of the sensor. I also liked the appearance of the photos. When the K-5 came out, I waited a year for the bugs to get squashed, and then got one. I’m still using it happily. My son and daughter-in-law just retired my old K10D, but only because my son needed something he could do video with for his work. He got a Sony; not sure what model. Rick > On Dec 4, 2020, at 10:14 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: > > I used my K20D longer I think. While I didn't find the noise particularly > objectionable at what for the K20D middle ISOs, just a tad over that, or if > the image was just a bit under exposed, the noise looked a lot less grain > like and much more like a regular pattern, almost banding, that was annoying, > but when everything was done right the images it produced were very nice > indeed. > > Sadly I still have the K20D, it's seen hard useage, and I've gotten a quote > of $6.00, if I wanted to sell it and probably couldn't give it away. The sad > part is the two batteries and the two focusing screens I have for it, one > original and one Katzeye split image/microprism are worth more. I wish the > Katzeye fit the K-3 or K-5II. > > On 12/3/2020 2:57 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: >> That's lovely light, Ralf. A fine shot. >> >> The K-7 was the immediate successor to the K20D, with a very similar >> (but updated) CMOS sensor. I was very fond of my K20D and shot with it >> for a good seven years. I really loved the rather filmic look to the >> images -- I don't have the same issue with grain/noise that gets other >> photographers into a tizzy. >> >> I sold it cheap last year to a young budding photography student and >> it's still being lovingly used. >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 1:54 PM Ralf R Radermacher wrote: >>> The K-7 and I never really took to each other and I got myself one of >>> the first K-5 ever sold in town. I hated the K-7's Samsung sensor, the >>> limited dynamic range and the noise in everything shot at more than ISO 100. >>> >>> Yet, when I look at some of the photos I've taken with it, they have a >>> special quality about them. A certain crispness, the restrained colours... >>> >>> Maybe the fact that I was less lazy, in those days, and made much more >>> use of primes, tripods, and low ISOs also has something to do with it. >>> >>> Just came across this one and thought some of you might like it: >>> >>> https://www.fotocommunity.com/photo/entre-chien-et-loup-fotoralfbe/44605722 >>> >>> Enjoy >>> >>> Ralf >>> >>> -- >>> Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany >>> Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com >>> Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf >>> Web : http://www.fotoralf.de >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >> >> > -- > Any idiot can shoot with a Canon, Nikon, or Sony, it takes a special kind of > idiot to use a Pentax. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Rediscovering the K-7
I used my K20D longer I think. While I didn't find the noise particularly objectionable at what for the K20D middle ISOs, just a tad over that, or if the image was just a bit under exposed, the noise looked a lot less grain like and much more like a regular pattern, almost banding, that was annoying, but when everything was done right the images it produced were very nice indeed. Sadly I still have the K20D, it's seen hard useage, and I've gotten a quote of $6.00, if I wanted to sell it and probably couldn't give it away. The sad part is the two batteries and the two focusing screens I have for it, one original and one Katzeye split image/microprism are worth more. I wish the Katzeye fit the K-3 or K-5II. On 12/3/2020 2:57 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: That's lovely light, Ralf. A fine shot. The K-7 was the immediate successor to the K20D, with a very similar (but updated) CMOS sensor. I was very fond of my K20D and shot with it for a good seven years. I really loved the rather filmic look to the images -- I don't have the same issue with grain/noise that gets other photographers into a tizzy. I sold it cheap last year to a young budding photography student and it's still being lovingly used. On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 1:54 PM Ralf R Radermacher wrote: The K-7 and I never really took to each other and I got myself one of the first K-5 ever sold in town. I hated the K-7's Samsung sensor, the limited dynamic range and the noise in everything shot at more than ISO 100. Yet, when I look at some of the photos I've taken with it, they have a special quality about them. A certain crispness, the restrained colours... Maybe the fact that I was less lazy, in those days, and made much more use of primes, tripods, and low ISOs also has something to do with it. Just came across this one and thought some of you might like it: https://www.fotocommunity.com/photo/entre-chien-et-loup-fotoralfbe/44605722 Enjoy Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Any idiot can shoot with a Canon, Nikon, or Sony, it takes a special kind of idiot to use a Pentax. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Rediscovering the K-7
I used a K7 (ex Mark Cassino) for 5 years until I upgraded to his K5. The K7 sensor is poor in low light & noisy above ISO400 but I found that used within its limitations it could give excellent results. TAV mode was useless with the ISO difficulty. The K5 solved that problem & so far I am very happy with its performance. I may yet upgrade to a K3 if I can find one at a bargain basement price. Alan C On 03-Dec-20 08:53 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: The K-7 and I never really took to each other and I got myself one of the first K-5 ever sold in town. I hated the K-7's Samsung sensor, the limited dynamic range and the noise in everything shot at more than ISO 100. Yet, when I look at some of the photos I've taken with it, they have a special quality about them. A certain crispness, the restrained colours... Maybe the fact that I was less lazy, in those days, and made much more use of primes, tripods, and low ISOs also has something to do with it. Just came across this one and thought some of you might like it: https://www.fotocommunity.com/photo/entre-chien-et-loup-fotoralfbe/44605722 Enjoy Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Rediscovering the K-7
That's lovely light, Ralf. A fine shot. The K-7 was the immediate successor to the K20D, with a very similar (but updated) CMOS sensor. I was very fond of my K20D and shot with it for a good seven years. I really loved the rather filmic look to the images -- I don't have the same issue with grain/noise that gets other photographers into a tizzy. I sold it cheap last year to a young budding photography student and it's still being lovingly used. On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 1:54 PM Ralf R Radermacher wrote: > > The K-7 and I never really took to each other and I got myself one of > the first K-5 ever sold in town. I hated the K-7's Samsung sensor, the > limited dynamic range and the noise in everything shot at more than ISO 100. > > Yet, when I look at some of the photos I've taken with it, they have a > special quality about them. A certain crispness, the restrained colours... > > Maybe the fact that I was less lazy, in those days, and made much more > use of primes, tripods, and low ISOs also has something to do with it. > > Just came across this one and thought some of you might like it: > > https://www.fotocommunity.com/photo/entre-chien-et-loup-fotoralfbe/44605722 > > Enjoy > > Ralf > > -- > Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany > Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com > Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf > Web : http://www.fotoralf.de > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO: Rediscovering the K-7
The K-7 and I never really took to each other and I got myself one of the first K-5 ever sold in town. I hated the K-7's Samsung sensor, the limited dynamic range and the noise in everything shot at more than ISO 100. Yet, when I look at some of the photos I've taken with it, they have a special quality about them. A certain crispness, the restrained colours... Maybe the fact that I was less lazy, in those days, and made much more use of primes, tripods, and low ISOs also has something to do with it. Just came across this one and thought some of you might like it: https://www.fotocommunity.com/photo/entre-chien-et-loup-fotoralfbe/44605722 Enjoy Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
