Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r 645D
hey it is all in your own best interest... they're only infringing upon your freedom to preserve it =P 2011/6/6 steve harley p...@paper-ape.com: On 2011-06-05 20:43 , John Sessoms wrote: I think you're confusing the FBI with the NSA. you're right, there's a big difference between a warrantless wiretap and a wiretap permitted under a warrant whose existence is top secret -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: steve harley On 2011-06-05 20:43 , John Sessoms wrote: I think you're confusing the FBI with the NSA. you're right, there's a big difference between a warrantless wiretap and a wiretap permitted under a warrant whose existence is top secret I was thinking more in terms of available resources. The FBI generally limits their wire-tapping, whether warrantless or unwarranted, to cases involving some kind of federal crime (real or imagined). Unlike the NSA, the FBI doesn't really have the resources to snoop on every telephone conversation in the whole world 24/7. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1511/3683 - Release Date: 06/05/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r 645D
From: William Robb On 03/06/2011 11:02 AM, John Francis wrote: Sophistry. Apple might not store the location of the phone, but the phone did (together with a timestamp). It was trivially easy to show where the phone had been during the previous days or weeks; all the news reports I saw showed an application doing exactly that. That's what people object to - unwittingly carrying a spy in their pocket. I wouldn't necessarily want my employer to know that I'd been on the same street (or even in the same town) as the head office of a major competitor; other people probably don't want their wife (or their parents) to know which part of town they've been visiting. There was, when this topic was in the news, some concern that police were carrying devices that could download the contents of these devices, and were able to do so wirelessly. I don't know how much, if any, truth there is to this, but the thought of it is rather chilling. IIRC, the big complaint was that the stored information could be retrieved by the authorities without the user knowing. The capability is inherent in the app, but I didn't see anything indicating that it was actually being done currently. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1511/3681 - Release Date: 06/04/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r 645D
From: steve harley On 2011-06-03 11:11 , William Robb wrote: There was, when this topic was in the news, some concern that police were carrying devices that could download the contents of these devices, and were able to do so wirelessly. I don't know how much, if any, truth there is to this, but the thought of it is rather chilling. that's just conspiracy-mongering, but it doesn't mattery anyway: the FBI has access to everything, without a warrant or any notice to you; doesn't matter what OS your phone runs I think you're confusing the FBI with the NSA. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1511/3681 - Release Date: 06/04/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r 645D
On 2011-06-05 20:43 , John Sessoms wrote: I think you're confusing the FBI with the NSA. you're right, there's a big difference between a warrantless wiretap and a wiretap permitted under a warrant whose existence is top secret -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r 645D
DUnno if this has been posted yet. In japanese but pictures needs no translation. Most interesting are the 3 links Astrotracer etc near the bottom. http://www.pentax.jp/japan/products/o-gps1/ 2011/6/2 Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com: Well, well. They were clearly reading our little GPS thread ... Mounted on the hot shoe of select PENTAX digital SLR cameras,* the O-GPS1 unit records latitude, longitude, altitude, and universal time coordinated (UTC) of shooting locations with captured images. Image files with this GPS data may be used to track shooting locations and review location data on a personal computing device. http://goo.gl/qH4o6 They must have hacked the hotshoe interface to handle serial I/O from the GPS. I suppose the hotshoe already talks to the flash serially, so they have added the GPS as a serial device distinct from a flash. Clever! I don't recall any of us coming up with that solution. A mere $249 US. -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ KX, MX, SuperA+Motor, Z1, P30 Mamiya C330+80/2.8 Sekonic L-208 FalconEyes TE300D x2 Studio flashes Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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That Astrotracer is useful for the star gazes, but it's of no use if you're doing landscapes. Cool use of the SR tech though. DS On 4 June 2011 14:37, Thibouille pentaxl...@gmail.com wrote: DUnno if this has been posted yet. In japanese but pictures needs no translation. Most interesting are the 3 links Astrotracer etc near the bottom. http://www.pentax.jp/japan/products/o-gps1/ 2011/6/2 Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com: Well, well. They were clearly reading our little GPS thread ... Mounted on the hot shoe of select PENTAX digital SLR cameras,* the O-GPS1 unit records latitude, longitude, altitude, and universal time coordinated (UTC) of shooting locations with captured images. Image files with this GPS data may be used to track shooting locations and review location data on a personal computing device. http://goo.gl/qH4o6 They must have hacked the hotshoe interface to handle serial I/O from the GPS. I suppose the hotshoe already talks to the flash serially, so they have added the GPS as a serial device distinct from a flash. Clever! I don't recall any of us coming up with that solution. A mere $249 US. -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ KX, MX, SuperA+Motor, Z1, P30 Mamiya C330+80/2.8 Sekonic L-208 FalconEyes TE300D x2 Studio flashes Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Too bad there's no 3G module for getting maps at the same time ;) Well, seriously, the module does astrotracer with SR, simple navigation (without map) and electronic compass. 2011/6/4 David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com: That Astrotracer is useful for the star gazes, but it's of no use if you're doing landscapes. Cool use of the SR tech though. DS On 4 June 2011 14:37, Thibouille pentaxl...@gmail.com wrote: DUnno if this has been posted yet. In japanese but pictures needs no translation. Most interesting are the 3 links Astrotracer etc near the bottom. http://www.pentax.jp/japan/products/o-gps1/ 2011/6/2 Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com: Well, well. They were clearly reading our little GPS thread ... Mounted on the hot shoe of select PENTAX digital SLR cameras,* the O-GPS1 unit records latitude, longitude, altitude, and universal time coordinated (UTC) of shooting locations with captured images. Image files with this GPS data may be used to track shooting locations and review location data on a personal computing device. http://goo.gl/qH4o6 They must have hacked the hotshoe interface to handle serial I/O from the GPS. I suppose the hotshoe already talks to the flash serially, so they have added the GPS as a serial device distinct from a flash. Clever! I don't recall any of us coming up with that solution. A mere $249 US. -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ KX, MX, SuperA+Motor, Z1, P30 Mamiya C330+80/2.8 Sekonic L-208 FalconEyes TE300D x2 Studio flashes Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ KX, MX, SuperA+Motor, Z1, P30 Mamiya C330+80/2.8 Sekonic L-208 FalconEyes TE300D x2 Studio flashes Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of William Robb Sask Tel's GPS service can usually place my phone within 2200 meters of where I actually am. Worst GPS service ever. sounds like the ideal service for al-Qaeda. It would also give the Americans the excuse they're looking for to carpet-bomb Canada. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 02/06/2011 10:22 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: I played a bit with idea of geotagging. Obviously, like you say, Paul, there are reasonably good programs for cell phones (Android and IOS alike) that do just that - record your coordinates ever so often in a file that can be later cross-referenced with the time the photograph was taken for producing a reasonably accurate geo-coordinates for the image. Apparently, if you have an iPhone, it it almost constantly recording it's whereabouts (and generally it's owner's whereabouts) on an almost continuous basis. My understanding is that it also sends this information back to Apple periodically. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:35 AM, William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently, if you have an iPhone, it it almost constantly recording it's whereabouts (and generally it's owner's whereabouts) on an almost continuous basis. Every smartphone that has a GPS in it does this. It's how the applications on the phone know where you are. My understanding is that it also sends this information back to Apple periodically. Incorrect. -Mat -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3 June 2011 22:37, Mat Maessen tomatoe...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:35 AM, William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently, if you have an iPhone, it it almost constantly recording it's whereabouts (and generally it's owner's whereabouts) on an almost continuous basis. Every smartphone that has a GPS in it does this. It's how the applications on the phone know where you are. My understanding is that it also sends this information back to Apple periodically. Incorrect. Yeah...it sends it to Microsoft. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 03/06/2011 8:37 AM, Mat Maessen wrote: On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:35 AM, William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently, if you have an iPhone, it it almost constantly recording it's whereabouts (and generally it's owner's whereabouts) on an almost continuous basis. Every smartphone that has a GPS in it does this. It's how the applications on the phone know where you are. It's the recording it to a database that I find unsavoury. My understanding is that it also sends this information back to Apple periodically. Incorrect. http://news.cnet.com/8301-30686_3-20057815-266.html?tag=topImage1 Last week, researchers discovered that the iPhone has been logging and storing location information on users for the past year. The information is stored in an unencrypted file on the iPhone and also is backed up in an unencrypted form on computers running iTunes. The data is also sent to Apple. They may have fixed it now that they've been caught. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r 645D
On 2011-06-02 08:56 , Tim Bray wrote: The whole thing seems like it's addressing a very limited market; how many people here at PDML have any interest in a GPS on their camera? i am; i hope the street price is half that (and i don't have an applicable camera yet), but being able to map photos is very attractive; but then i am a geo nerd of sorts -- there are all sorts of things one can do with the info (the accurate timestamp would be welcome too) i've tried geotagging without a GPS, or using a separate logger; it's awkward enough that i've been mostly put off of it; an integrated system is the way to go -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2011-06-03 09:32 , William Robb wrote: On 03/06/2011 8:37 AM, Mat Maessen wrote: On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:35 AM, William Robb Apparently, if you have an iPhone, it it almost constantly recording it's whereabouts (and generally it's owner's whereabouts) on an almost continuous basis. Every smartphone that has a GPS in it does this. It's how the applications on the phone know where you are. It's the recording it to a database that I find unsavoury. it doesn't store the location of the phone, it caches the locations of cell towers and wifi signals; these are the data that make geolocation so much faster than with GPS alone for some reason iPhone stored a year's worth of data, and if you didn't encrypt your backups, you could extract it from your own backups (along with your all your other info) as i understand it, Android does something similar My understanding is that it also sends this information back to Apple periodically. Incorrect. [CNET:] [...] The data is also sent to Apple. They may have fixed it now that they've been caught. actual location data were never sent to Apple; the cell tower/wifi hotspot data has always been anonymized, and is still sent to Apple -- that's how the info is updated for everyone's benefit; what Apple fixed is that the data are not kept as long, are deleted when location services are turned off, and are encrypted even if you don't encrypt your own backups http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2011/04/27location_qa.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 10:37:24AM -0400, Mat Maessen wrote: On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:35 AM, William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently, if you have an iPhone, it it almost constantly recording it's whereabouts (and generally it's owner's whereabouts) on an almost continuous basis. Every smartphone that has a GPS in it does this. It's how the applications on the phone know where you are. My understanding is that it also sends this information back to Apple periodically. Incorrect. -Mat No - he's correct. Didn't you see the big uproar about this? Apple turned this on as part of a software update. As a result of the details becoming public, they added a way for a user to turn off the location gathering, they truncated the amount of information kept on the phone, they stopped gathering the information when the phone was turned off, and they stopped copying that file to your computer when you synced with your iTunes library. But as far as I know they still send the information to Apple. Supposedly it gets anonymised first, but I don't know how effectively that gets done. Not that iPhones are unique in this kind of behaviour. That's valuable data (which cell towers, wireless networks, etc., are visible from a location). But, as Google also discovered, gathering that kind of information can be a risky business, unless you are scrupulously careful about how you do it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 10:33:23AM -0600, steve harley wrote: On 2011-06-03 09:32 , William Robb wrote: On 03/06/2011 8:37 AM, Mat Maessen wrote: On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:35 AM, William Robb Apparently, if you have an iPhone, it it almost constantly recording it's whereabouts (and generally it's owner's whereabouts) on an almost continuous basis. Every smartphone that has a GPS in it does this. It's how the applications on the phone know where you are. It's the recording it to a database that I find unsavoury. it doesn't store the location of the phone, it caches the locations of cell towers and wifi signals; these are the data that make geolocation so much faster than with GPS alone Sophistry. Apple might not store the location of the phone, but the phone did (together with a timestamp). It was trivially easy to show where the phone had been during the previous days or weeks; all the news reports I saw showed an application doing exactly that. That's what people object to - unwittingly carrying a spy in their pocket. I wouldn't necessarily want my employer to know that I'd been on the same street (or even in the same town) as the head office of a major competitor; other people probably don't want their wife (or their parents) to know which part of town they've been visiting. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 03/06/2011 11:02 AM, John Francis wrote: Sophistry. Apple might not store the location of the phone, but the phone did (together with a timestamp). It was trivially easy to show where the phone had been during the previous days or weeks; all the news reports I saw showed an application doing exactly that. That's what people object to - unwittingly carrying a spy in their pocket. I wouldn't necessarily want my employer to know that I'd been on the same street (or even in the same town) as the head office of a major competitor; other people probably don't want their wife (or their parents) to know which part of town they've been visiting. There was, when this topic was in the news, some concern that police were carrying devices that could download the contents of these devices, and were able to do so wirelessly. I don't know how much, if any, truth there is to this, but the thought of it is rather chilling. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jun 3, 2011, at 1:11 PM, William Robb wrote: On 03/06/2011 11:02 AM, John Francis wrote: That's what people object to - unwittingly carrying a spy in their pocket. I wouldn't necessarily want my employer to know that I'd been on the same street (or even in the same town) as the head office of a major competitor; other people probably don't want their wife (or their parents) to know which part of town they've been visiting. There was, when this topic was in the news, some concern that police were carrying devices that could download the contents of these devices, and were able to do so wirelessly. I don't know how much, if any, truth there is to this, but the thought of it is rather chilling. -- William Robb It could be useful though. A couple of years ago I was trying to get back into the U.S. Where are you coming from the custom official asks. New York, I says, I was there for a family reunion. How long have you been in Canada? she asks. Five and a half hours I reply. Three hours driving and 2.5 hours sitting here in line. Out of the car smart-ass she says. Open all of the doors and the back of your vehicle. Now if she could have read my phone's location database she would have known I was telling the simple truth and not being a smart-ass at all. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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All cell phones can be traced to the cell towers that they connect to by the wireless provider. Do you really think that Verizon or ATT aren't keeping records of which cell towers your phone is talking to, and the time/date? On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 1:02 PM, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 10:33:23AM -0600, steve harley wrote: On 2011-06-03 09:32 , William Robb wrote: On 03/06/2011 8:37 AM, Mat Maessen wrote: On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:35 AM, William Robb Apparently, if you have an iPhone, it it almost constantly recording it's whereabouts (and generally it's owner's whereabouts) on an almost continuous basis. Every smartphone that has a GPS in it does this. It's how the applications on the phone know where you are. It's the recording it to a database that I find unsavoury. it doesn't store the location of the phone, it caches the locations of cell towers and wifi signals; these are the data that make geolocation so much faster than with GPS alone Sophistry. Apple might not store the location of the phone, but the phone did (together with a timestamp). It was trivially easy to show where the phone had been during the previous days or weeks; all the news reports I saw showed an application doing exactly that. That's what people object to - unwittingly carrying a spy in their pocket. I wouldn't necessarily want my employer to know that I'd been on the same street (or even in the same town) as the head office of a major competitor; other people probably don't want their wife (or their parents) to know which part of town they've been visiting. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I played a bit with idea of geotagging. Obviously, like you say, Paul, there are reasonably good programs for cell phones (Android and IOS alike) that do just that - record your coordinates ever so often in a file that can be later cross-referenced with the time the photograph was taken for producing a reasonably accurate geo-coordinates for the image. Apparently, if you have an iPhone, it it almost constantly recording it's whereabouts (and generally it's owner's whereabouts) on an almost continuous basis. My understanding is that it also sends this information back to Apple periodically. it isn't just iPhones - they all do it. It's why al-Qaeda don't use cell phones - they tend to attract tomahawk missiles. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It's the recording it to a database that I find unsavoury. it doesn't store the location of the phone, it caches the locations of cell towers and wifi signals; these are the data that make geolocation so much faster than with GPS alone Sophistry. Apple might not store the location of the phone, but the phone did (together with a timestamp). It was trivially easy to show where the phone had been during the previous days or weeks; all the news reports I saw showed an application doing exactly that. That's what people object to - unwittingly carrying a spy in their pocket. I wouldn't necessarily want my employer to know that I'd been on the same street (or even in the same town) as the head office of a major competitor; other people probably don't want their wife (or their parents) to know which part of town they've been visiting. you need some decent data protection laws over there. We're very hot on them over here, as you probably know, and we now have partner organisations based in the US who are having to host stuff in Europe because otherwise European clients won't deal with them because of the data protection issues you have there. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 01:27:58PM -0400, David Parsons wrote: All cell phones can be traced to the cell towers that they connect to by the wireless provider. Do you really think that Verizon or ATT aren't keeping records of which cell towers your phone is talking to, and the time/date? No. But AFAIK thy don't (and, in fact, can't) do that if the phone isn't transmitting - they don't know it is there. (Furthermore, getting that information from ATT or Verizon is quite a bit harder than simply downloading an unencrypted file from the phone.) One of the issues with the iPhone was that (according to some folks) it keeps track of which towers it can see, even if the phone is switched off. The question I can't answer is whether turning off the phone disables all wireless capability, or just the transmitter side. I'm pretty sure that transmit is turned off - the FAA would insist on that - but a passive receiver in standby mode isn't going to require a lot of power. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Actually, every time you move from the footprint of one cell tower to another, the phone company *has* to know this, so they can know where to route incoming calls. So it is absolutely the case that your phone company knows where you are and where you've been. Here are a bunch of questions that I bet you don't know the answer to: - do they keep that info? - for how long? - if a law-enforcement agency calls up and asks for it, unofficially, no warrant, do they cough it up? - if a divorce lawyer calls and asks, can he/she get it? I'm a lot more worried about telephone companies than I am about mobile-industry players like Apple. -Tim On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 12:29 PM, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 01:27:58PM -0400, David Parsons wrote: All cell phones can be traced to the cell towers that they connect to by the wireless provider. Do you really think that Verizon or ATT aren't keeping records of which cell towers your phone is talking to, and the time/date? No. But AFAIK thy don't (and, in fact, can't) do that if the phone isn't transmitting - they don't know it is there. (Furthermore, getting that information from ATT or Verizon is quite a bit harder than simply downloading an unencrypted file from the phone.) One of the issues with the iPhone was that (according to some folks) it keeps track of which towers it can see, even if the phone is switched off. The question I can't answer is whether turning off the phone disables all wireless capability, or just the transmitter side. I'm pretty sure that transmit is turned off - the FAA would insist on that - but a passive receiver in standby mode isn't going to require a lot of power. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 01:04:45PM -0700, Tim Bray wrote: Actually, every time you move from the footprint of one cell tower to another, the phone company *has* to know this, so they can know where to route incoming calls. But, again, only when I have the phone on. That's why it takes a measurable amount of time to get service (and even to find out what provider serves your area) at initial power on. When I turn the phone off, none of that communication is necessary. Note that I mean powered down as much as possible; I don't mean simply having hung up the phone so no calls are active. The phone company absolutely does not need to have this information until such time as I turn the phone on again - all calls get routed to voice mail (if applicable) until I choose to re-enable phone service. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2011-06-03 11:11 , William Robb wrote: There was, when this topic was in the news, some concern that police were carrying devices that could download the contents of these devices, and were able to do so wirelessly. I don't know how much, if any, truth there is to this, but the thought of it is rather chilling. that's just conspiracy-mongering, but it doesn't mattery anyway: the FBI has access to everything, without a warrant or any notice to you; doesn't matter what OS your phone runs -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2011-06-03 10:49 , John Francis wrote: On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 10:37:24AM -0400, Mat Maessen wrote: On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:35 AM, William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently, if you have an iPhone, it it almost constantly recording it's whereabouts (and generally it's owner's whereabouts) on an almost continuous basis. Every smartphone that has a GPS in it does this. It's how the applications on the phone know where you are. My understanding is that it also sends this information back to Apple periodically. Incorrect. -Mat No - he's correct. William's statement was incorrect because it doesn't send the phone's location per se, it sends crowd-sourced, anonymized data to continuously update the hotspot/tower info, my which the reliability of the location system is maintained Didn't you see the big uproar about this? yes quite a tempest ... Apple turned this on as part of a software update. As a result of the details becoming public, they added a way for a user to turn off the location gathering, one could always turn off location gathering; the update now clears the location cache when location services is turned off they truncated the amount of information kept on the phone, they stopped gathering the information when the phone was turned off, no information is gathered when the phone is off -- off is really off and they stopped copying that file to your computer when you synced with your iTunes library. its still synced, it's just now encrypted whether you choose to encrypt your backups or not -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2011-06-03 11:02 , John Francis wrote: Sophistry. Apple might not store the location of the phone, but the phone did (together with a timestamp). It was trivially easy to show where the phone had been during the previous days or weeks; all the news reports I saw showed an application doing exactly that. my rebuttal of specific points stands; the phone didn't store it's own location per se, but someone with access to the phone, or the backups if encryption were off, could extrapolate general whereabouts of the phone over time not sure what Android is doing to address the similar criticism of their location cache That's what people object to - unwittingly carrying a spy in their pocket. I wouldn't necessarily want my employer to know that I'd been on the same street (or even in the same town) as the head office of a major competitor; if your employer is probing your phone in such ways, you have bigger problems -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 4 June 2011 00:37, Mat Maessen tomatoe...@gmail.com wrote: Every smartphone that has a GPS in it does this. It's how the applications on the phone know where you are. My understanding is that it also sends this information back to Apple periodically. Incorrect. As others have already stated if the radio is on the telco service providers will know where the phone has been, however the GPS units in phone can be literally turned off (in the case of all the Android phones I've used) and there is (at least in Andriod 2.2 O/S) the option to control the Use wireless networks for location in the settings, enabling it invokes a agree/disagree consent notice. If the phone is off there remains no provision for internal or external tracking, and on my phone it also had an Airplane mode in the wireless settings which disables all wireless settings, on existing this mode the service providers SIM (if locked) requires unlocking. I can however still enable GPS and create a tracking file on the device when in Airplane mode if required. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 03/06/2011 2:04 PM, Tim Bray wrote: Actually, every time you move from the footprint of one cell tower to another, the phone company *has* to know this, so they can know where to route incoming calls. So it is absolutely the case that your phone company knows where you are and where you've been. Here are a bunch of questions that I bet you don't know the answer to: - do they keep that info? - for how long? - if a law-enforcement agency calls up and asks for it, unofficially, no warrant, do they cough it up? - if a divorce lawyer calls and asks, can he/she get it? I'm a lot more worried about telephone companies than I am about mobile-industry players like Apple. -Tim I'm not so worried about it in Canada, the CRTC and the Privacy Act seem to have most, if not all, of the bases covered. I did just discover that SGI hands over data to the War Amps to facilitate their solicitation attempts. I suspect that will get shut down though, as there is being a bit of a hue and cry about SGI breaking the privacy rules. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 03/06/2011 3:48 PM, steve harley wrote: that's just conspiracy-mongering, but it doesn't mattery anyway: the FBI has access to everything, without a warrant or any notice to you; doesn't matter what OS your phone runs I would hope that the FBI has very little access to anything to do with me without a warrant, and perhaps Interpol getting involved. Although I sometimes write like you, I am not of your people. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 03/06/2011 5:42 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: however the GPS units in phone can be literally turned off Sask Tel's GPS service can usually place my phone within 2200 meters of where I actually am. Worst GPS service ever. When Tom and I were hanging out in Chicago last year, he would tell his Android where he wanted to go and it would draw him a map. About the best I can get is if I want to go to Manitoba it will point me towards the east, but I'd better be able to find my own road. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jun 3, 2011, at 7:51 PM, William Robb wrote: On 03/06/2011 5:42 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: however the GPS units in phone can be literally turned off Sask Tel's GPS service can usually place my phone within 2200 meters of where I actually am. Worst GPS service ever. When Tom and I were hanging out in Chicago last year, he would tell his Android where he wanted to go and it would draw him a map. About the best I can get is if I want to go to Manitoba it will point me towards the east, but I'd better be able to find my own road. William Robb You have roads up there? stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2011-06-03 17:45 , William Robb wrote: On 03/06/2011 3:48 PM, steve harley wrote: that's just conspiracy-mongering, but it doesn't mattery anyway: the FBI has access to everything, without a warrant or any notice to you; doesn't matter what OS your phone runs I would hope that the FBI has very little access to anything to do with me without a warrant, and perhaps Interpol getting involved. Although I sometimes write like you, I am not of your people. okay, if by my people you mean the US, you're right -- but the CIA is probably onto you for writing like me -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 03/06/2011 6:11 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: You have roads up there? stan One of our main roads: http://www.pbase.com/klatuu/image/108149432 This one is in pretty good shape for around here: http://www.pbase.com/klatuu/image/112608619 -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 03/06/2011 6:26 PM, steve harley wrote: okay, if by my people you mean the US, you're right -- but the CIA is probably onto you for writing like me True story: I was sent to the local casino a few years back to photograph the interior of one of the (very large) rooms. There was some sort of card tournament going on that had attracted a lot of people, and my job was to get an overview shot of the room. I had checked in with my contact at the casino, and had been given both a place to shoot from and a window of opportunity to get what I needed. And left to myself. So, there I was, with my Pentax 6x7 (this is now on topic, right?) on a tripod in the designated area, and the time to shoot is now. And a security goon gets in my face and points vaguely off at someone of the hundreds of people down there and said that she was a CIA agent and she didn't want to be photographed. It was quite surreal. Anyway, I told him to shove off, I really didn't believe him, and even if I did, it wasn't my business to give a damn about foreign spies, check with the person I had been told to check in with (the head of security, it turned out) about what I was doing and when I was allowed to do it, and suggested that if anyone on the floor didn't want to be in pictures, now was a good time to go to the bathroom. And that I now had 5 minutes to do what I was being paid to do and he could get the hell out of my way, and go do whatever he was supposed to be doing now that it was determined that hassling me wasn't going to get him any gold stars. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 6/2/2011 07:54, mike wilson wrote: The astrotracer function is rather whizzy. The O-GPS1offers the advanced PENTAX original Astrotracer function,* which works with the PENTAX Shake Reduction (SR) system on select cameras for tracking and photographing celestial bodies. The unit calculates the movement of stars, planets, and other bodies using the latitude obtained from GPS data and the camera’s alignment data (horizontal and vertical inclinations and aspect) obtained from its magnetic and acceleration sensors. Then, the unit shifts the camera’s image sensor in synchronization with the movement of the object(s).** As a result, stars and other bodies are captured as solid points rather than blurry streaks, even during extended exposures. The unit also simplifies astrophotography by requiring only a tripod and eliminating the need for additional accessories such as an equatorial telescope. Dave Savage does night Nikon photography, doesn't he? Now he may have yet another reason to consider going back to Pentax... The above is humorous remark. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jun 1, 2011, at 9:54 PM, mike wilson wrote: On 02/06/2011 01:59, Bruce Walker wrote: Well, well. They were clearly reading our little GPS thread ... Mounted on the hot shoe of select PENTAX digital SLR cameras,* the O-GPS1 unit records latitude, longitude, altitude, and universal time coordinated (UTC) of shooting locations with captured images. Image files with this GPS data may be used to track shooting locations and review location data on a personal computing device. http://goo.gl/qH4o6 They must have hacked the hotshoe interface to handle serial I/O from the GPS. I suppose the hotshoe already talks to the flash serially, so they have added the GPS as a serial device distinct from a flash. Clever! I don't recall any of us coming up with that solution. The astrotracer function is rather whizzy. The O-GPS1offers the advanced PENTAX original Astrotracer function,* which works with the PENTAX Shake Reduction (SR) system on select cameras for tracking and photographing celestial bodies. The unit calculates the movement of stars, planets, and other bodies using the latitude obtained from GPS data and the camera’s alignment data (horizontal and vertical inclinations and aspect) obtained from its magnetic and acceleration sensors. Then, the unit shifts the camera’s image sensor in synchronization with the movement of the object(s).** As a result, stars and other bodies are captured as solid points rather than blurry streaks, even during extended exposures. The unit also simplifies astrophotography by requiring only a tripod and eliminating the need for additional accessories such as an equatorial telescope. That's absolutely brilliant, if it works. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jun 2, 2011, at 6:30 PM, Larry Colen wrote: The O-GPS1offers the advanced PENTAX original Astrotracer function,* which works with the PENTAX Shake Reduction (SR) system on select cameras for tracking and photographing celestial bodies. The unit calculates the movement of stars, planets, and other bodies using the latitude obtained from GPS data and the camera’s alignment data (horizontal and vertical inclinations and aspect) obtained from its magnetic and acceleration sensors. Then, the unit shifts the camera’s image sensor in synchronization with the movement of the object(s).** As a result, stars and other bodies are captured as solid points rather than blurry streaks, even during extended exposures. The unit also simplifies astrophotography by requiring only a tripod and eliminating the need for additional accessories such as an equatorial telescope. That's absolutely brilliant, if it works. My thoughts exactly. What a great idea... but for a rather limited market. But if you can't use a flash with this thing attached, what else are you going to photograph at night? Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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--- On Thu, 6/2/11, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote: The astrotracer function is rather whizzy. The O-GPS1offers the advanced PENTAX original Astrotracer function,* which works with the PENTAX Shake Reduction (SR) system on select cameras for tracking and photographing celestial bodies. The unit calculates the movement of stars, planets, and other bodies using the latitude obtained from GPS data and the camera’s alignment data (horizontal and vertical inclinations and aspect) obtained from its magnetic and acceleration sensors. Then, the unit shifts the camera’s image sensor in synchronization with the movement of the object(s).** As a result, stars and other bodies are captured as solid points rather than blurry streaks, even during extended exposures. The unit also simplifies astrophotography by requiring only a tripod and eliminating the need for additional accessories such as an equatorial telescope. If they allow one to switch off the dark-frame subtraction for long exposures, it might even be practical. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yep, the K5 can be set to disable DFS. 2011/6/2 Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com: --- On Thu, 6/2/11, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote: The astrotracer function is rather whizzy. The O-GPS1offers the advanced PENTAX original Astrotracer function,* which works with the PENTAX Shake Reduction (SR) system on select cameras for tracking and photographing celestial bodies. The unit calculates the movement of stars, planets, and other bodies using the latitude obtained from GPS data and the camera’s alignment data (horizontal and vertical inclinations and aspect) obtained from its magnetic and acceleration sensors. Then, the unit shifts the camera’s image sensor in synchronization with the movement of the object(s).** As a result, stars and other bodies are captured as solid points rather than blurry streaks, even during extended exposures. The unit also simplifies astrophotography by requiring only a tripod and eliminating the need for additional accessories such as an equatorial telescope. If they allow one to switch off the dark-frame subtraction for long exposures, it might even be practical. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ KX, MX, SuperA+Motor, Z1, P30 Mamiya C330+80/2.8 Sekonic L-208 FalconEyes TE300D x2 Studio flashes Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The whole thing seems like it's addressing a very limited market; how many people here at PDML have any interest in a GPS on their camera? Also, I'd be suspicious how well it works. Good GPS functionality on something that's normally switched off is a hard problem. It's a little easier for phones because they can get an initial rough fix via the cell network and other clues. But zeroing in starting from zero using only GPS signal is not, unless things have changed recently, a particularly well-solved problem. -Tim On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 2:43 AM, David Mann d...@multisport.net.nz wrote: On Jun 2, 2011, at 6:30 PM, Larry Colen wrote: The O-GPS1offers the advanced PENTAX original Astrotracer function,* which works with the PENTAX Shake Reduction (SR) system on select cameras for tracking and photographing celestial bodies. The unit calculates the movement of stars, planets, and other bodies using the latitude obtained from GPS data and the camera’s alignment data (horizontal and vertical inclinations and aspect) obtained from its magnetic and acceleration sensors. Then, the unit shifts the camera’s image sensor in synchronization with the movement of the object(s).** As a result, stars and other bodies are captured as solid points rather than blurry streaks, even during extended exposures. The unit also simplifies astrophotography by requiring only a tripod and eliminating the need for additional accessories such as an equatorial telescope. That's absolutely brilliant, if it works. My thoughts exactly. What a great idea... but for a rather limited market. But if you can't use a flash with this thing attached, what else are you going to photograph at night? Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote: The whole thing seems like it's addressing a very limited market; how many people here at PDML have any interest in a GPS on their camera? I do, for $50. Not $250. Given that I can buy a GPS navigation device with maps of the entire United States, with perpetual updates, and a touchscreen, and so forth for $100, I'm not enthusiastic about paying the Photographic Equipment Premium for a dedicated device. Also, I'd be suspicious how well it works. Good GPS functionality on something that's normally switched off is a hard problem. It's a little easier for phones because they can get an initial rough fix via the cell network and other clues. But zeroing in starting from zero using only GPS signal is not, unless things have changed recently, a particularly well-solved problem. Things are a lot better than they used to be. The SIRF Star III chip, which is widely used and has been out for a good while, has these specs: Time To First Fix Hot start - Autonomous 1 s Warm start - Autonomous 35 s Cold start - Autonomous 35 s -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It's a neat toy, but I'm not interested. I have no problem figuring out where I am when I take a photo. And if I ever do need that information, the nav system on my phone can provide it. Paul On Jun 2, 2011, at 11:08 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote: On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote: The whole thing seems like it's addressing a very limited market; how many people here at PDML have any interest in a GPS on their camera? I do, for $50. Not $250. Given that I can buy a GPS navigation device with maps of the entire United States, with perpetual updates, and a touchscreen, and so forth for $100, I'm not enthusiastic about paying the Photographic Equipment Premium for a dedicated device. Also, I'd be suspicious how well it works. Good GPS functionality on something that's normally switched off is a hard problem. It's a little easier for phones because they can get an initial rough fix via the cell network and other clues. But zeroing in starting from zero using only GPS signal is not, unless things have changed recently, a particularly well-solved problem. Things are a lot better than they used to be. The SIRF Star III chip, which is widely used and has been out for a good while, has these specs: Time To First Fix Hot start - Autonomous 1 s Warm start - Autonomous 35 s Cold start - Autonomous 35 s -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 07:56:21AM -0700, Tim Bray wrote: The whole thing seems like it's addressing a very limited market; how many people here at PDML have any interest in a GPS on their camera? I'm mildly interested, but probably not $250 interested at present. I'm more interested in it as an accurate time-stamp, actually. But that only works if you've got one on each camera body, which means I'd need to be $500 intersted (plus buying two compatible bodies). Also, I'd be suspicious how well it works. Good GPS functionality on something that's normally switched off is a hard problem. It's a little easier for phones because they can get an initial rough fix via the cell network and other clues. But zeroing in starting from zero using only GPS signal is not, unless things have changed recently, a particularly well-solved problem. -Tim Isn't that what hiker's GPS units do? Or at least the early Garmin (and other manufacturers) in-car systems? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r 645D
It's not about finding out where you are. It's about marking pictures in a way that's make them easy to find in the future. With programs like geosetter, you can mark each picture with country, city, location and sublocation. This information is searchable in Lightroom and makes it easy to find the picture you are looking for. -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 5:37 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r 645D It's a neat toy, but I'm not interested. I have no problem figuring out where I am when I take a photo. And if I ever do need that information, the nav system on my phone can provide it. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r 645D
From: Paul Stenquist It's a neat toy, but I'm not interested. I have no problem figuring out where I am when I take a photo. And if I ever do need that information, the nav system on my phone can provide it. Paul It's not the problem with figuring out where I am when I'm taking photographs today; it's going back to them several years later and trying to reconstruct where I was when I took the photograph then. Longitude and latitude in the EXIF would help. But since it's not backward compatible with the cameras I currently own and will continue to use for the foreseeable future ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r 645D
At the moment I take a photo, I know where I am, but later I donot remember the name of the street or the temple or what ever. So I write down some info, sometimes. But I would be s happy if I could switch on the mike on my K7 and add some remarks. Why not a few kb of audio added to all the Mb of picture? I'm sure that will come, but why not Pentax being the first? Greetz, Jos On 2-6-2011 20:15, John Sessoms wrote: From: Paul Stenquist It's a neat toy, but I'm not interested. I have no problem figuring out where I am when I take a photo. And if I ever do need that information, the nav system on my phone can provide it. Paul It's not the problem with figuring out where I am when I'm taking photographs today; it's going back to them several years later and trying to reconstruct where I was when I took the photograph then. Longitude and latitude in the EXIF would help. But since it's not backward compatible with the cameras I currently own and will continue to use for the foreseeable future ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r 645D
On Jun 2, 2011, at 14:01, Jos from Holland wrote: At the moment I take a photo, I know where I am, but later I donot remember the name of the street or the temple or what ever. So I write down some info, sometimes. But I would be s happy if I could switch on the mike on my K7 and add some remarks. Why not a few kb of audio added to all the Mb of picture? I'm sure that will come, but why not Pentax being the first? Yes, my little pocket Fuji F30 does this. I love it. If the photo is DSCF0104.JPG the audio file created on the card is DSCF0104.WAV - wonderful way to keep track if you have no notepaper with you. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r 645D
Waw, why not Pentax? This kind of features cost nothing, just a bit of software! Jos On 2-6-2011 21:19, Charles Robinson wrote: Yes, my little pocket Fuji F30 does this. I love it. If the photo is DSCF0104.JPG the audio file created on the card is DSCF0104.WAV - wonderful way to keep track if you have no notepaper with you. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r 645D
On 6/2/2011 18:36, Paul Stenquist wrote: It's a neat toy, but I'm not interested. I have no problem figuring out where I am when I take a photo. And if I ever do need that information, the nav system on my phone can provide it. Paul I played a bit with idea of geotagging. Obviously, like you say, Paul, there are reasonably good programs for cell phones (Android and IOS alike) that do just that - record your coordinates ever so often in a file that can be later cross-referenced with the time the photograph was taken for producing a reasonably accurate geo-coordinates for the image. But then I looked at it from few steps back and realized that I really don't need it. Specifically, say I went to NYC early last year. Took some pictures in the Central Park and met AnnSan which whom we had a very nice walk around the town. Is it really that much important to know precisely (with GPS precision) where I walked? Unlikely. If I were a nature photographer or a survey photographer then may be it would have been really important - to mark the places where I met that specific animal or where I saw that specific tree. But for my practical (emphasis on practical) purposes, geotagging is more like a geek's toy and not a real photographic tool. Just my personal view, not judging anyone and not projecting my view onto others. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r 645D
Well, well. They were clearly reading our little GPS thread ... Mounted on the hot shoe of select PENTAX digital SLR cameras,* the O-GPS1 unit records latitude, longitude, altitude, and universal time coordinated (UTC) of shooting locations with captured images. Image files with this GPS data may be used to track shooting locations and review location data on a personal computing device. http://goo.gl/qH4o6 They must have hacked the hotshoe interface to handle serial I/O from the GPS. I suppose the hotshoe already talks to the flash serially, so they have added the GPS as a serial device distinct from a flash. Clever! I don't recall any of us coming up with that solution. A mere $249 US. -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r 645D
On 2 June 2011 09:59, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Well, well. They were clearly reading our little GPS thread ... Mounted on the hot shoe of select PENTAX digital SLR cameras,* the O-GPS1 unit records latitude, longitude, altitude, and universal time coordinated (UTC) of shooting locations with captured images. Image files with this GPS data may be used to track shooting locations and review location data on a personal computing device. http://goo.gl/qH4o6 They must have hacked the hotshoe interface to handle serial I/O from the GPS. I suppose the hotshoe already talks to the flash serially, so they have added the GPS as a serial device distinct from a flash. Clever! I don't recall any of us coming up with that solution. A mere $249 US. Hmm, thanks, something I would like even at that price but really does it have to be quite this big? http://www.pentaximaging.com/images/temp/63442541041020616325727gpsmodule_genericdslr.jpg -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 01/06/2011 6:22 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: Hmm, thanks, something I would like even at that price but really does it have to be quite this big? http://www.pentaximaging.com/images/temp/63442541041020616325727gpsmodule_genericdslr.jpg It's Pro hardware. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r 645D
That's so the satellite can see it. -Original Message- From: Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com Sender: pdml-boun...@pdml.net Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 10:22:57 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r 645D On 2 June 2011 09:59, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Well, well. They were clearly reading our little GPS thread ... Mounted on the hot shoe of select PENTAX digital SLR cameras,* the O-GPS1 unit records latitude, longitude, altitude, and universal time coordinated (UTC) of shooting locations with captured images. Image files with this GPS data may be used to track shooting locations and review location data on a personal computing device. http://goo.gl/qH4o6 They must have hacked the hotshoe interface to handle serial I/O from the GPS. I suppose the hotshoe already talks to the flash serially, so they have added the GPS as a serial device distinct from a flash. Clever! I don't recall any of us coming up with that solution. A mere $249 US. Hmm, thanks, something I would like even at that price but really does it have to be quite this big? http://www.pentaximaging.com/images/temp/63442541041020616325727gpsmodule_genericdslr.jpg -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r 645D
On 6/2/2011 03:22, Rob Studdert wrote: Hmm, thanks, something I would like even at that price but really does it have to be quite this big? http://www.pentaximaging.com/images/temp/63442541041020616325727gpsmodule_genericdslr.jpg Grandiose, as in honking big... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r 645D
On 02/06/2011 01:59, Bruce Walker wrote: Well, well. They were clearly reading our little GPS thread ... Mounted on the hot shoe of select PENTAX digital SLR cameras,* the O-GPS1 unit records latitude, longitude, altitude, and universal time coordinated (UTC) of shooting locations with captured images. Image files with this GPS data may be used to track shooting locations and review location data on a personal computing device. http://goo.gl/qH4o6 They must have hacked the hotshoe interface to handle serial I/O from the GPS. I suppose the hotshoe already talks to the flash serially, so they have added the GPS as a serial device distinct from a flash. Clever! I don't recall any of us coming up with that solution. The astrotracer function is rather whizzy. The O-GPS1offers the advanced PENTAX original Astrotracer function,* which works with the PENTAX Shake Reduction (SR) system on select cameras for tracking and photographing celestial bodies. The unit calculates the movement of stars, planets, and other bodies using the latitude obtained from GPS data and the camera’s alignment data (horizontal and vertical inclinations and aspect) obtained from its magnetic and acceleration sensors. Then, the unit shifts the camera’s image sensor in synchronization with the movement of the object(s).** As a result, stars and other bodies are captured as solid points rather than blurry streaks, even during extended exposures. The unit also simplifies astrophotography by requiring only a tripod and eliminating the need for additional accessories such as an equatorial telescope. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
