Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

[Christine Aguila]

HI Paul:

So sorry to hear.  My thoughts are with you and your family.  

Christine



> On Oct 22, 2015, at 1:54 PM, paul stenquist  wrote:
> 
> Love you too, Frank. The post wasn’t directed at you. It wasn’t directed at 
> anyone, just letting off steam. Started my wife on hospice care today. It’s 
> been a rough week, and I’m angry with the world.

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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

[Christine Aguila]

Oh, John, really hear this.  You are in my thoughts.

Christine



> On Oct 23, 2015, at 1:26 AM, John Coyle  wrote:
> 
> You got that right Darren. Paul, my thoughts are with you too: I face a 
> similar situation in that my daughter is back in hospital with rampant cancer 
> spreading throughout her body.


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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

[Christine Aguila]

that should read, really sorry to hear this.


> On Oct 23, 2015, at 8:55 AM, Christine Aguila  wrote:
> 
> Oh, John, really hear this.  You are in my thoughts.
> 
> Christine
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 23, 2015, at 1:26 AM, John Coyle  wrote:
>> 
>> You got that right Darren. Paul, my thoughts are with you too: I face a 
>> similar situation in that my daughter is back in hospital with rampant 
>> cancer spreading throughout her body.
> 


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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

[John]

On 10/22/2015 12:01 AM, Brian Walters wrote:



On Thu, Oct 22, 2015, at 02:11 PM, knarf wrote:

Of course we have the same parliamentary system here in Canada. I didn't
see Justin Trudeau's name anywhere on the ballot the other day. We vote
for the local representative and whichever party has the most seats
"chooses" the Prime Minister.

I can see benefits and deficits in each of the parliamentary and the
Republican systems. Ours mostly works well - for us anyway.



Ditto here, as far as I'm concerned.

A lot of people here have got their knickers in a knot because the party
in power had the effrontery to replace the leader without going to the
electorate. Of course, they had every right to do so.

Admittedly, 3 times in three or four years does seem a bit excessive...




Maybe they had the same coach I had in high-school.

"You're gonna' keep running that play until you get it right!"

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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

[John]

On 10/23/2015 1:38 AM, Brian Walters wrote:

On Fri, Oct 23, 2015, at 05:54 AM, paul stenquist wrote:

Love you too, Frank. The post wasn’t directed at you. It wasn’t directed
at anyone, just letting off steam. Started my wife on hospice care today.
It’s been a rough week, and I’m angry with the world.




Words seem completely inadequate at times like this but please know our
thoughts are with you and your family.



I would like to echo Brian's thoughts. I hope you know that we think of
you and hope for the best.

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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

[Larry Colen]

I'm so very sorry to hear that. I'm wishing strength for you and all PhD your 
loved ones in this trying time.

On October 22, 2015 11:54:34 AM PDT, paul stenquist  
wrote:
>Love you too, Frank. The post wasn’t directed at you. It wasn’t
>directed at anyone, just letting off steam. Started my wife on hospice
>care today. It’s been a rough week, and I’m angry with the world.
>
>Paul
>
>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 2:28 PM, knarf  wrote:
>> 
>> I love you, Paul! I really do.  :-)
>> 
>> I'm not going to respond to the substantive parts of either of your
>posts. I will say that your first post hardly inflamed me or even got
>me warmed up. I did smile as I read it...
>> 
>> I'm hardly a "liberal" so whatever conclusions you've reached as to
>what liberalism is, amount to little more than a passing interest to
>me. 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> frank
>> 
>> 
>> On October 22, 2015 10:02:00 AM EDT, paul stenquist
> wrote:
>>> No need to gush, Stanley. Frank’s comment is a clever turn of words
>but
>>> meaningless, in that I was not debating anything or offering any
>kind
>>> of argument. I merely made an observation, based on my experience,
>as
>>> others have done in this thread. Of course, my words inflamed all
>the
>>> lefties, but that was expected. No straw men here, other than
>Frank’s
>>> diversion.
>>> 
 On Oct 22, 2015, at 9:37 AM, Stanley Halpin
>>>  wrote:
 
 
> On Oct 21, 2015, at 9:57 PM, frank theriault
>>>  wrote:
> 
> "And U.S. Liberalism dictates that government should be involved
>in
> every aspect of one's life and dictate proper behavior based on a
>>> code
> of political correctness. U.S. Liberals worship at the church of
> secular humanism and can't imagine why that might not work for
> everyone.”
> 
 x
> There are so many straw men in there, the Wizard of Oz is
>wondering
> which one to give the brain to…
> 
 x
 
 Mark!
 
> LOL
> 
> cheers,
> 
> frank
> 
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Paul Stenquist
>>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Paul via phone
>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Eric Weir 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 21, 2015, at 12:15 AM, Brian Walters
>>>  wrote:
 
 Interesting how political terminology can vary between
>countries.
 
 Here 'Liberal' means the absolute opposite to the definition of
>>> the term
 in North America. Our 'Liberals' are the conservatives; Labor
>(no
>>> 'u")
 are the (somewhat) leftish group.
>>> 
>>> What are called liberals everywhere else assumes that a minimum
>of
>>> government is sufficient to insure liberty.
>> 
>> And U.S. Liberalism dictates that government should be involved
>in
>>> every aspect of one's life and dictate proper behavior based on a
>code
>>> of political correctness. U.S. Liberals worship at the church of
>>> secular humanism and can't imagine why that might not work for
>>> everyone.
>>> What are called liberals in the US  assumes that sometimes
>>> something more is required, that simply “leaving people alone”
>doesn’t
>>> necessarily guarantee their freedom. Totally private healthcare vs.
>the
>>> assumption that no one—children of poor parents, e.g.—should be
>denied
>>> healthcare because they can’t pay for it. At least as good a sense
>of
>>> “liberal” as the other use is an imperfect sense.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>--
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>>> Decatur, GA  USA
>>> eew...@bellsouth.net
>>> 
>>> “[I]t is a sign of great inner insecurity to be hostile to the
>>> unfamiliar.”
>>> 
>>> - Anais Nin
>>> 
>>> 
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RE: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

[John Coyle]

You got that right Darren. Paul, my thoughts are with you too: I face a similar 
situation in that my daughter is back in hospital with rampant cancer spreading 
throughout her body.

John in Brisbane



-Original Message-
From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Darren Addy
Sent: Friday, 23 October 2015 14:11
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Subject: Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

There are times when subjects like politics (and photography) suddenly seem 
don't seem very important (at all) and this is one of those times. With you and 
yours in spirit, Paul ... though that feels so inadequate at this time.

Darren

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 11:04 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
> Words fail me Paul. I am so sorry to hear this.
>
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>
> - Original Message - From: "paul stenquist"
> 
> Subject: Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion
>
>
>
>> Love you too, Frank. The post wasn’t directed at you. It wasn’t 
>> directed at anyone, just letting off steam. Started my wife on hospice care 
>> today.
>> It’s been a rough week, and I’m angry with the world.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 2:28 PM, knarf  wrote:
>>>
>>> I love you, Paul! I really do.  :-)
>>>
>>> I'm not going to respond to the substantive parts of either of your 
>>> posts. I will say that your first post hardly inflamed me or even 
>>> got me warmed up. I did smile as I read it...
>>>
>>> I'm hardly a "liberal" so whatever conclusions you've reached as to 
>>> what liberalism is, amount to little more than a passing interest to me.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> frank
>>>
>>>
>>> On October 22, 2015 10:02:00 AM EDT, paul stenquist 
>>>  wrote:

 No need to gush, Stanley. Frank’s comment is a clever turn of words 
 but meaningless, in that I was not debating anything or offering 
 any kind of argument. I merely made an observation, based on my 
 experience, as others have done in this thread. Of course, my words 
 inflamed all the lefties, but that was expected. No straw men here, 
 other than Frank’s diversion.

> On Oct 22, 2015, at 9:37 AM, Stanley Halpin

  wrote:
>
>
>
>> On Oct 21, 2015, at 9:57 PM, frank theriault

  wrote:
>>
>>
>> "And U.S. Liberalism dictates that government should be involved 
>> in every aspect of one's life and dictate proper behavior based 
>> on a

 code
>>
>> of political correctness. U.S. Liberals worship at the church of 
>> secular humanism and can't imagine why that might not work for 
>> everyone.”
>>
> x
>>
>> There are so many straw men in there, the Wizard of Oz is 
>> wondering which one to give the brain to…
>>
> x
>
> Mark!
>
>> LOL
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>> frank
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Paul Stenquist

  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul via phone
>>>
 On Oct 21, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Eric Weir 

 wrote:



> On Oct 21, 2015, at 12:15 AM, Brian Walters

  wrote:
>
>
> Interesting how political terminology can vary between countries.
>
> Here 'Liberal' means the absolute opposite to the definition 
> of

 the term
>
> in North America. Our 'Liberals' are the conservatives; Labor 
> (no

 'u")
>
> are the (somewhat) leftish group.


 What are called liberals everywhere else assumes that a minimum 
 of

 government is sufficient to insure liberty.
>>>
>>>
>>> And U.S. Liberalism dictates that government should be involved 
>>> in

 every aspect of one's life and dictate proper behavior based on a 
 code of political correctness. U.S. Liberals worship at the church 
 of secular humanism and can't imagine why that might not work for 
 everyone.

 What are called liberals in the US  assumes that sometimes

 something more is required, that simply “leaving people alone” 
 doesn’t necessarily guarantee their freedom. Totally private 
 healthcare vs. the assumption that no one—children of poor parents, 
 e.g.—should be denied healthcare because they can’t pay for it. At 
 least as good a sense of “liberal” as the other use is an imperfect sense.




 ---
 ---

 Eric Weir
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 eew...@bellsouth.net
>
>
>
> --
> 

Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

[Alan C]

So sad, Paul, & John too. Hang in there. God bless.

Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: John Coyle

Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 8:26 AM
To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
Subject: RE: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

You got that right Darren. Paul, my thoughts are with you too: I face a
similar situation in that my daughter is back in hospital with rampant
cancer spreading throughout her body.

John in Brisbane



-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, 23 October 2015 14:11
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Subject: Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

There are times when subjects like politics (and photography) suddenly seem
don't seem very important (at all) and this is one of those times. With you
and yours in spirit, Paul ... though that feels so inadequate at this time.

Darren

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 11:04 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:

Words fail me Paul. I am so sorry to hear this.

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - From: "paul stenquist"

Subject: Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion




Love you too, Frank. The post wasn’t directed at you. It wasn’t
directed at anyone, just letting off steam. Started my wife on hospice
care today.
It’s been a rough week, and I’m angry with the world.

Paul


On Oct 22, 2015, at 2:28 PM, knarf  wrote:

I love you, Paul! I really do.  :-)

I'm not going to respond to the substantive parts of either of your
posts. I will say that your first post hardly inflamed me or even
got me warmed up. I did smile as I read it...

I'm hardly a "liberal" so whatever conclusions you've reached as to
what liberalism is, amount to little more than a passing interest to me.

Cheers,

frank


On October 22, 2015 10:02:00 AM EDT, paul stenquist
 wrote:


No need to gush, Stanley. Frank’s comment is a clever turn of words
but meaningless, in that I was not debating anything or offering
any kind of argument. I merely made an observation, based on my
experience, as others have done in this thread. Of course, my words
inflamed all the lefties, but that was expected. No straw men here,
other than Frank’s diversion.


On Oct 22, 2015, at 9:37 AM, Stanley Halpin


 wrote:





On Oct 21, 2015, at 9:57 PM, frank theriault


 wrote:



"And U.S. Liberalism dictates that government should be involved
in every aspect of one's life and dictate proper behavior based
on a


code


of political correctness. U.S. Liberals worship at the church of
secular humanism and can't imagine why that might not work for
everyone.”


x


There are so many straw men in there, the Wizard of Oz is
wondering which one to give the brain to…


x

Mark!


LOL

cheers,

frank

On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Paul Stenquist


 wrote:




Paul via phone


On Oct 21, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Eric Weir 


wrote:





On Oct 21, 2015, at 12:15 AM, Brian Walters


 wrote:



Interesting how political terminology can vary between countries.

Here 'Liberal' means the absolute opposite to the definition
of


the term


in North America. Our 'Liberals' are the conservatives; Labor
(no


'u")


are the (somewhat) leftish group.



What are called liberals everywhere else assumes that a minimum
of


government is sufficient to insure liberty.



And U.S. Liberalism dictates that government should be involved
in


every aspect of one's life and dictate proper behavior based on a
code of political correctness. U.S. Liberals worship at the church
of secular humanism and can't imagine why that might not work for
everyone.


What are called liberals in the US  assumes that sometimes


something more is required, that simply “leaving people alone”
doesn’t necessarily guarantee their freedom. Totally private
healthcare vs. the assumption that no one—children of poor parents,
e.g.—should be denied healthcare because they can’t pay for it. At
least as good a sense of “liberal” as the other use is an imperfect
sense.






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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

[Eric Weir]

> On Oct 22, 2015, at 2:54 PM, paul stenquist  wrote:
> 
> Love you too, Frank. The post wasn’t directed at you. It wasn’t directed at 
> anyone, just letting off steam. Started my wife on hospice care today. It’s 
> been a rough week, and I’m angry with the world.

Also sorry to hear that, Paul. Sometimes life is tough. Many will be thinking 
of you both.

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Sorry to hear that Paul.

Can't think of anything to say you...

Life. Brutal.

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2015-10-22 21:54 GMT+03:00 paul stenquist :
> Love you too, Frank. The post wasn’t directed at you. It wasn’t directed at 
> anyone, just letting off steam. Started my wife on hospice care today. It’s 
> been a rough week, and I’m angry with the world.
>
> Paul
>
>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 2:28 PM, knarf  wrote:
>>
>> I love you, Paul! I really do.  :-)
>>
>> I'm not going to respond to the substantive parts of either of your posts. I 
>> will say that your first post hardly inflamed me or even got me warmed up. I 
>> did smile as I read it...
>>
>> I'm hardly a "liberal" so whatever conclusions you've reached as to what 
>> liberalism is, amount to little more than a passing interest to me.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> frank
>>
>>
>> On October 22, 2015 10:02:00 AM EDT, paul stenquist 
>>  wrote:
>>> No need to gush, Stanley. Frank’s comment is a clever turn of words but
>>> meaningless, in that I was not debating anything or offering any kind
>>> of argument. I merely made an observation, based on my experience, as
>>> others have done in this thread. Of course, my words inflamed all the
>>> lefties, but that was expected. No straw men here, other than Frank’s
>>> diversion.
>>>
 On Oct 22, 2015, at 9:37 AM, Stanley Halpin
>>>  wrote:


> On Oct 21, 2015, at 9:57 PM, frank theriault
>>>  wrote:
>
> "And U.S. Liberalism dictates that government should be involved in
> every aspect of one's life and dictate proper behavior based on a
>>> code
> of political correctness. U.S. Liberals worship at the church of
> secular humanism and can't imagine why that might not work for
> everyone.”
>
 x
> There are so many straw men in there, the Wizard of Oz is wondering
> which one to give the brain to…
>
 x

 Mark!

> LOL
>
> cheers,
>
> frank
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Paul Stenquist
>>>  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Paul via phone
>>
>>> On Oct 21, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Eric Weir 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
 On Oct 21, 2015, at 12:15 AM, Brian Walters
>>>  wrote:

 Interesting how political terminology can vary between countries.

 Here 'Liberal' means the absolute opposite to the definition of
>>> the term
 in North America. Our 'Liberals' are the conservatives; Labor (no
>>> 'u")
 are the (somewhat) leftish group.
>>>
>>> What are called liberals everywhere else assumes that a minimum of
>>> government is sufficient to insure liberty.
>>
>> And U.S. Liberalism dictates that government should be involved in
>>> every aspect of one's life and dictate proper behavior based on a code
>>> of political correctness. U.S. Liberals worship at the church of
>>> secular humanism and can't imagine why that might not work for
>>> everyone.
>>> What are called liberals in the US  assumes that sometimes
>>> something more is required, that simply “leaving people alone” doesn’t
>>> necessarily guarantee their freedom. Totally private healthcare vs. the
>>> assumption that no one—children of poor parents, e.g.—should be denied
>>> healthcare because they can’t pay for it. At least as good a sense of
>>> “liberal” as the other use is an imperfect sense.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Eric Weir
>>> Decatur, GA  USA
>>> eew...@bellsouth.net
>>>
>>> “[I]t is a sign of great inner insecurity to be hostile to the
>>> unfamiliar.”
>>>
>>> - Anais Nin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[P.J. Alling]

I'm really sorry to hear that Paul.

On 10/22/2015 2:54 PM, paul stenquist wrote:

Love you too, Frank. The post wasn’t directed at you. It wasn’t directed at 
anyone, just letting off steam. Started my wife on hospice care today. It’s 
been a rough week, and I’m angry with the world.

Paul


On Oct 22, 2015, at 2:28 PM, knarf  wrote:

I love you, Paul! I really do.  :-)

I'm not going to respond to the substantive parts of either of your posts. I 
will say that your first post hardly inflamed me or even got me warmed up. I 
did smile as I read it...

I'm hardly a "liberal" so whatever conclusions you've reached as to what 
liberalism is, amount to little more than a passing interest to me.

Cheers,

frank


On October 22, 2015 10:02:00 AM EDT, paul stenquist  
wrote:

No need to gush, Stanley. Frank’s comment is a clever turn of words but
meaningless, in that I was not debating anything or offering any kind
of argument. I merely made an observation, based on my experience, as
others have done in this thread. Of course, my words inflamed all the
lefties, but that was expected. No straw men here, other than Frank’s
diversion.


On Oct 22, 2015, at 9:37 AM, Stanley Halpin

 wrote:



On Oct 21, 2015, at 9:57 PM, frank theriault

 wrote:

"And U.S. Liberalism dictates that government should be involved in
every aspect of one's life and dictate proper behavior based on a

code

of political correctness. U.S. Liberals worship at the church of
secular humanism and can't imagine why that might not work for
everyone.”


x

There are so many straw men in there, the Wizard of Oz is wondering
which one to give the brain to…


x

Mark!


LOL

cheers,

frank

On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Paul Stenquist

 wrote:


Paul via phone


On Oct 21, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Eric Weir 

wrote:



On Oct 21, 2015, at 12:15 AM, Brian Walters

 wrote:

Interesting how political terminology can vary between countries.

Here 'Liberal' means the absolute opposite to the definition of

the term

in North America. Our 'Liberals' are the conservatives; Labor (no

'u")

are the (somewhat) leftish group.

What are called liberals everywhere else assumes that a minimum of

government is sufficient to insure liberty.

And U.S. Liberalism dictates that government should be involved in

every aspect of one's life and dictate proper behavior based on a code
of political correctness. U.S. Liberals worship at the church of
secular humanism and can't imagine why that might not work for
everyone.

What are called liberals in the US  assumes that sometimes

something more is required, that simply “leaving people alone” doesn’t
necessarily guarantee their freedom. Totally private healthcare vs. the
assumption that no one—children of poor parents, e.g.—should be denied
healthcare because they can’t pay for it. At least as good a sense of
“liberal” as the other use is an imperfect sense.



--

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Decatur, GA  USA
eew...@bellsouth.net

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unfamiliar.”

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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

[paul stenquist]

Love you too, Frank. The post wasn’t directed at you. It wasn’t directed at 
anyone, just letting off steam. Started my wife on hospice care today. It’s 
been a rough week, and I’m angry with the world.

Paul

> On Oct 22, 2015, at 2:28 PM, knarf  wrote:
> 
> I love you, Paul! I really do.  :-)
> 
> I'm not going to respond to the substantive parts of either of your posts. I 
> will say that your first post hardly inflamed me or even got me warmed up. I 
> did smile as I read it...
> 
> I'm hardly a "liberal" so whatever conclusions you've reached as to what 
> liberalism is, amount to little more than a passing interest to me. 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> frank
> 
> 
> On October 22, 2015 10:02:00 AM EDT, paul stenquist  
> wrote:
>> No need to gush, Stanley. Frank’s comment is a clever turn of words but
>> meaningless, in that I was not debating anything or offering any kind
>> of argument. I merely made an observation, based on my experience, as
>> others have done in this thread. Of course, my words inflamed all the
>> lefties, but that was expected. No straw men here, other than Frank’s
>> diversion.
>> 
>>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 9:37 AM, Stanley Halpin
>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 21, 2015, at 9:57 PM, frank theriault
>>  wrote:
 
 "And U.S. Liberalism dictates that government should be involved in
 every aspect of one's life and dictate proper behavior based on a
>> code
 of political correctness. U.S. Liberals worship at the church of
 secular humanism and can't imagine why that might not work for
 everyone.”
 
>>> x
 There are so many straw men in there, the Wizard of Oz is wondering
 which one to give the brain to…
 
>>> x
>>> 
>>> Mark!
>>> 
 LOL
 
 cheers,
 
 frank
 
 On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Paul Stenquist
>>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Paul via phone
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Eric Weir 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2015, at 12:15 AM, Brian Walters
>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Interesting how political terminology can vary between countries.
>>> 
>>> Here 'Liberal' means the absolute opposite to the definition of
>> the term
>>> in North America. Our 'Liberals' are the conservatives; Labor (no
>> 'u")
>>> are the (somewhat) leftish group.
>> 
>> What are called liberals everywhere else assumes that a minimum of
>> government is sufficient to insure liberty.
> 
> And U.S. Liberalism dictates that government should be involved in
>> every aspect of one's life and dictate proper behavior based on a code
>> of political correctness. U.S. Liberals worship at the church of
>> secular humanism and can't imagine why that might not work for
>> everyone.
>> What are called liberals in the US  assumes that sometimes
>> something more is required, that simply “leaving people alone” doesn’t
>> necessarily guarantee their freedom. Totally private healthcare vs. the
>> assumption that no one—children of poor parents, e.g.—should be denied
>> healthcare because they can’t pay for it. At least as good a sense of
>> “liberal” as the other use is an imperfect sense.
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Eric Weir
>> Decatur, GA  USA
>> eew...@bellsouth.net
>> 
>> “[I]t is a sign of great inner insecurity to be hostile to the
>> unfamiliar.”
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[knarf]

I love you, Paul! I really do.  :-)

I'm not going to respond to the substantive parts of either of your posts. I 
will say that your first post hardly inflamed me or even got me warmed up. I 
did smile as I read it...

I'm hardly a "liberal" so whatever conclusions you've reached as to what 
liberalism is, amount to little more than a passing interest to me. 

Cheers,

frank


On October 22, 2015 10:02:00 AM EDT, paul stenquist  
wrote:
>No need to gush, Stanley. Frank’s comment is a clever turn of words but
>meaningless, in that I was not debating anything or offering any kind
>of argument. I merely made an observation, based on my experience, as
>others have done in this thread. Of course, my words inflamed all the
>lefties, but that was expected. No straw men here, other than Frank’s
>diversion.
>
>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 9:37 AM, Stanley Halpin
> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2015, at 9:57 PM, frank theriault
> wrote:
>>> 
>>> "And U.S. Liberalism dictates that government should be involved in
>>> every aspect of one's life and dictate proper behavior based on a
>code
>>> of political correctness. U.S. Liberals worship at the church of
>>> secular humanism and can't imagine why that might not work for
>>> everyone.”
>>> 
>> x
>>> There are so many straw men in there, the Wizard of Oz is wondering
>>> which one to give the brain to…
>>> 
>> x
>> 
>> Mark!
>> 
>>> LOL
>>> 
>>> cheers,
>>> 
>>> frank
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Paul Stenquist
> wrote:
 
 
 Paul via phone
 
> On Oct 21, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Eric Weir 
>wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2015, at 12:15 AM, Brian Walters
> wrote:
>> 
>> Interesting how political terminology can vary between countries.
>> 
>> Here 'Liberal' means the absolute opposite to the definition of
>the term
>> in North America. Our 'Liberals' are the conservatives; Labor (no
>'u")
>> are the (somewhat) leftish group.
> 
> What are called liberals everywhere else assumes that a minimum of
>government is sufficient to insure liberty.
 
 And U.S. Liberalism dictates that government should be involved in
>every aspect of one's life and dictate proper behavior based on a code
>of political correctness. U.S. Liberals worship at the church of
>secular humanism and can't imagine why that might not work for
>everyone.
> What are called liberals in the US  assumes that sometimes
>something more is required, that simply “leaving people alone” doesn’t
>necessarily guarantee their freedom. Totally private healthcare vs. the
>assumption that no one—children of poor parents, e.g.—should be denied
>healthcare because they can’t pay for it. At least as good a sense of
>“liberal” as the other use is an imperfect sense.
> 
>
>--
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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I'm very sorry to hear about your wife, Paul.

My thoughts and prayers are with her, with you and with your whole family.

Be strong for her and those who love her.

Dan Matyola
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On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 2:54 PM, paul stenquist  wrote:
> Love you too, Frank. The post wasn’t directed at you. It wasn’t directed at 
> anyone, just letting off steam. Started my wife on hospice care today. It’s 
> been a rough week, and I’m angry with the world.
>
> Paul
>
>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 2:28 PM, knarf  wrote:
>>
>> I love you, Paul! I really do.  :-)
>>
>> I'm not going to respond to the substantive parts of either of your posts. I 
>> will say that your first post hardly inflamed me or even got me warmed up. I 
>> did smile as I read it...
>>
>> I'm hardly a "liberal" so whatever conclusions you've reached as to what 
>> liberalism is, amount to little more than a passing interest to me.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> frank
>>
>>
>> On October 22, 2015 10:02:00 AM EDT, paul stenquist 
>>  wrote:
>>> No need to gush, Stanley. Frank’s comment is a clever turn of words but
>>> meaningless, in that I was not debating anything or offering any kind
>>> of argument. I merely made an observation, based on my experience, as
>>> others have done in this thread. Of course, my words inflamed all the
>>> lefties, but that was expected. No straw men here, other than Frank’s
>>> diversion.
>>>
 On Oct 22, 2015, at 9:37 AM, Stanley Halpin
>>>  wrote:


> On Oct 21, 2015, at 9:57 PM, frank theriault
>>>  wrote:
>
> "And U.S. Liberalism dictates that government should be involved in
> every aspect of one's life and dictate proper behavior based on a
>>> code
> of political correctness. U.S. Liberals worship at the church of
> secular humanism and can't imagine why that might not work for
> everyone.”
>
 x
> There are so many straw men in there, the Wizard of Oz is wondering
> which one to give the brain to…
>
 x

 Mark!

> LOL
>
> cheers,
>
> frank
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Paul Stenquist
>>>  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Paul via phone
>>
>>> On Oct 21, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Eric Weir 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
 On Oct 21, 2015, at 12:15 AM, Brian Walters
>>>  wrote:

 Interesting how political terminology can vary between countries.

 Here 'Liberal' means the absolute opposite to the definition of
>>> the term
 in North America. Our 'Liberals' are the conservatives; Labor (no
>>> 'u")
 are the (somewhat) leftish group.
>>>
>>> What are called liberals everywhere else assumes that a minimum of
>>> government is sufficient to insure liberty.
>>
>> And U.S. Liberalism dictates that government should be involved in
>>> every aspect of one's life and dictate proper behavior based on a code
>>> of political correctness. U.S. Liberals worship at the church of
>>> secular humanism and can't imagine why that might not work for
>>> everyone.
>>> What are called liberals in the US  assumes that sometimes
>>> something more is required, that simply “leaving people alone” doesn’t
>>> necessarily guarantee their freedom. Totally private healthcare vs. the
>>> assumption that no one—children of poor parents, e.g.—should be denied
>>> healthcare because they can’t pay for it. At least as good a sense of
>>> “liberal” as the other use is an imperfect sense.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Eric Weir
>>> Decatur, GA  USA
>>> eew...@bellsouth.net
>>>
>>> “[I]t is a sign of great inner insecurity to be hostile to the
>>> unfamiliar.”
>>>
>>> - Anais Nin
>>>
>>>
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[Paul]

So sorry to hear that.  It's not fair and ou've a right to be angry. 
Wishing you peace...


-p

On 10/22/2015 1:54 PM, paul stenquist wrote:

Love you too, Frank. The post wasn’t directed at you. It wasn’t directed at 
anyone, just letting off steam. Started my wife on hospice care today. It’s 
been a rough week, and I’m angry with the world.

Paul


On Oct 22, 2015, at 2:28 PM, knarf  wrote:

I love you, Paul! I really do.  :-)

I'm not going to respond to the substantive parts of either of your posts. I 
will say that your first post hardly inflamed me or even got me warmed up. I 
did smile as I read it...

I'm hardly a "liberal" so whatever conclusions you've reached as to what 
liberalism is, amount to little more than a passing interest to me.

Cheers,

frank


On October 22, 2015 10:02:00 AM EDT, paul stenquist  
wrote:

No need to gush, Stanley. Frank’s comment is a clever turn of words but
meaningless, in that I was not debating anything or offering any kind
of argument. I merely made an observation, based on my experience, as
others have done in this thread. Of course, my words inflamed all the
lefties, but that was expected. No straw men here, other than Frank’s
diversion.


On Oct 22, 2015, at 9:37 AM, Stanley Halpin

 wrote:




On Oct 21, 2015, at 9:57 PM, frank theriault

 wrote:


"And U.S. Liberalism dictates that government should be involved in
every aspect of one's life and dictate proper behavior based on a

code

of political correctness. U.S. Liberals worship at the church of
secular humanism and can't imagine why that might not work for
everyone.”


x

There are so many straw men in there, the Wizard of Oz is wondering
which one to give the brain to…


x

Mark!


LOL

cheers,

frank

On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Paul Stenquist

 wrote:



Paul via phone


On Oct 21, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Eric Weir 

wrote:




On Oct 21, 2015, at 12:15 AM, Brian Walters

 wrote:


Interesting how political terminology can vary between countries.

Here 'Liberal' means the absolute opposite to the definition of

the term

in North America. Our 'Liberals' are the conservatives; Labor (no

'u")

are the (somewhat) leftish group.


What are called liberals everywhere else assumes that a minimum of

government is sufficient to insure liberty.


And U.S. Liberalism dictates that government should be involved in

every aspect of one's life and dictate proper behavior based on a code
of political correctness. U.S. Liberals worship at the church of
secular humanism and can't imagine why that might not work for
everyone.

What are called liberals in the US  assumes that sometimes

something more is required, that simply “leaving people alone” doesn’t
necessarily guarantee their freedom. Totally private healthcare vs. the
assumption that no one—children of poor parents, e.g.—should be denied
healthcare because they can’t pay for it. At least as good a sense of
“liberal” as the other use is an imperfect sense.




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[WILSON MICHAEL]

Deepest sympathy, Paul.

> On 22 October 2015 at 19:54 paul stenquist  wrote:
> 
> 
> Love you too, Frank. The post wasn’t directed at you. It wasn’t directed at
> anyone, just letting off steam. Started my wife on hospice care today. It’s
> been a rough week, and I’m angry with the world.
> 
> Paul
> 
> > On Oct 22, 2015, at 2:28 PM, knarf  wrote:
> > 
> > I love you, Paul! I really do.  :-)
> > 
> > I'm not going to respond to the substantive parts of either of your posts. I
> > will say that your first post hardly inflamed me or even got me warmed up. I
> > did smile as I read it...
> > 
> > I'm hardly a "liberal" so whatever conclusions you've reached as to what
> > liberalism is, amount to little more than a passing interest to me. 
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> > frank
> > 
> > 
> > On October 22, 2015 10:02:00 AM EDT, paul stenquist
> >  wrote:
> >> No need to gush, Stanley. Frank’s comment is a clever turn of words but
> >> meaningless, in that I was not debating anything or offering any kind
> >> of argument. I merely made an observation, based on my experience, as
> >> others have done in this thread. Of course, my words inflamed all the
> >> lefties, but that was expected. No straw men here, other than Frank’s
> >> diversion.
> >> 
> >>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 9:37 AM, Stanley Halpin
> >>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> 
>  On Oct 21, 2015, at 9:57 PM, frank theriault
> >>  wrote:
>  
>  "And U.S. Liberalism dictates that government should be involved in
>  every aspect of one's life and dictate proper behavior based on a
> >> code
>  of political correctness. U.S. Liberals worship at the church of
>  secular humanism and can't imagine why that might not work for
>  everyone.”
>  
> >>> x
>  There are so many straw men in there, the Wizard of Oz is wondering
>  which one to give the brain to…
>  
> >>> x
> >>> 
> >>> Mark!
> >>> 
>  LOL
>  
>  cheers,
>  
>  frank
>  
>  On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Paul Stenquist
> >>  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Paul via phone
> > 
> >> On Oct 21, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Eric Weir 
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On Oct 21, 2015, at 12:15 AM, Brian Walters
> >>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Interesting how political terminology can vary between countries.
> >>> 
> >>> Here 'Liberal' means the absolute opposite to the definition of
> >> the term
> >>> in North America. Our 'Liberals' are the conservatives; Labor (no
> >> 'u")
> >>> are the (somewhat) leftish group.
> >> 
> >> What are called liberals everywhere else assumes that a minimum of
> >> government is sufficient to insure liberty.
> > 
> > And U.S. Liberalism dictates that government should be involved in
> >> every aspect of one's life and dictate proper behavior based on a code
> >> of political correctness. U.S. Liberals worship at the church of
> >> secular humanism and can't imagine why that might not work for
> >> everyone.
> >> What are called liberals in the US  assumes that sometimes
> >> something more is required, that simply “leaving people alone” doesn’t
> >> necessarily guarantee their freedom. Totally private healthcare vs. the
> >> assumption that no one—children of poor parents, e.g.—should be denied
> >> healthcare because they can’t pay for it. At least as good a sense of
> >> “liberal” as the other use is an imperfect sense.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> --
> >> Eric Weir
> >> Decatur, GA  USA
> >> eew...@bellsouth.net
> >> 
> >> “[I]t is a sign of great inner insecurity to be hostile to the
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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

[paul stenquist]

HAR! 


> On Oct 22, 2015, at 10:23 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> Huh, whuh? Was I supposed to get all enflamed? 
> Sorry, I missed that. :-)
> 
> Godfrey
> 
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 7:02 AM, paul stenquist  wrote:
>> 
>> ...Of course, my words inflamed all the lefties, but that was expected. ...
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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Huh, whuh? Was I supposed to get all enflamed? 
Sorry, I missed that. :-)

Godfrey


> On Oct 22, 2015, at 7:02 AM, paul stenquist  wrote:
> 
> ...Of course, my words inflamed all the lefties, but that was expected. ...

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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

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> On Oct 21, 2015, at 9:57 PM, frank theriault  wrote:
> 
> "And U.S. Liberalism dictates that government should be involved in
> every aspect of one's life and dictate proper behavior based on a code
> of political correctness. U.S. Liberals worship at the church of
> secular humanism and can't imagine why that might not work for
> everyone.”
> 
x
> There are so many straw men in there, the Wizard of Oz is wondering
> which one to give the brain to…
> 
x

Mark!

> LOL
> 
> cheers,
> 
> frank
> 
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Paul Stenquist  
> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Paul via phone
>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Eric Weir  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 21, 2015, at 12:15 AM, Brian Walters  wrote:
 
 Interesting how political terminology can vary between countries.
 
 Here 'Liberal' means the absolute opposite to the definition of the term
 in North America. Our 'Liberals' are the conservatives; Labor (no 'u")
 are the (somewhat) leftish group.
>>> 
>>> What are called liberals everywhere else assumes that a minimum of 
>>> government is sufficient to insure liberty.
>> 
>> And U.S. Liberalism dictates that government should be involved in every 
>> aspect of one's life and dictate proper behavior based on a code of 
>> political correctness. U.S. Liberals worship at the church of secular 
>> humanism and can't imagine why that might not work for everyone.
>>> What are called liberals in the US  assumes that sometimes something more 
>>> is required, that simply “leaving people alone” doesn’t necessarily 
>>> guarantee their freedom. Totally private healthcare vs. the assumption that 
>>> no one—children of poor parents, e.g.—should be denied healthcare because 
>>> they can’t pay for it. At least as good a sense of “liberal” as the other 
>>> use is an imperfect sense.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Eric Weir
>>> Decatur, GA  USA
>>> eew...@bellsouth.net
>>> 
>>> “[I]t is a sign of great inner insecurity to be hostile to the unfamiliar.”
>>> 
>>> - Anais Nin
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[Eric Weir]

> On Oct 21, 2015, at 8:57 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> And U.S. Liberalism dictates that government should be involved in every 
> aspect of one's life and dictate proper behavior based on a code of political 
> correctness. U.S. Liberals worship at the church of secular humanism and 
> can't imagine why that might not work for everyone. 

Or we could discuss the issues. We would get further. (Not suggesting we do it 
here. But in other contexts it would definitely help.)

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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

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Words fail me Paul. I am so sorry to hear this.

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- Original Message - 
From: "paul stenquist" 

Subject: Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion


Love you too, Frank. The post wasn’t directed at you. It wasn’t directed 
at anyone, just letting off steam. Started my wife on hospice care today. 
It’s been a rough week, and I’m angry with the world.


Paul


On Oct 22, 2015, at 2:28 PM, knarf  wrote:

I love you, Paul! I really do.  :-)

I'm not going to respond to the substantive parts of either of your 
posts. I will say that your first post hardly inflamed me or even got me 
warmed up. I did smile as I read it...


I'm hardly a "liberal" so whatever conclusions you've reached as to what 
liberalism is, amount to little more than a passing interest to me.


Cheers,

frank


On October 22, 2015 10:02:00 AM EDT, paul stenquist 
 wrote:

No need to gush, Stanley. Frank’s comment is a clever turn of words but
meaningless, in that I was not debating anything or offering any kind
of argument. I merely made an observation, based on my experience, as
others have done in this thread. Of course, my words inflamed all the
lefties, but that was expected. No straw men here, other than Frank’s
diversion.


On Oct 22, 2015, at 9:37 AM, Stanley Halpin

 wrote:




On Oct 21, 2015, at 9:57 PM, frank theriault

 wrote:


"And U.S. Liberalism dictates that government should be involved in
every aspect of one's life and dictate proper behavior based on a

code

of political correctness. U.S. Liberals worship at the church of
secular humanism and can't imagine why that might not work for
everyone.”


x

There are so many straw men in there, the Wizard of Oz is wondering
which one to give the brain to…


x

Mark!


LOL

cheers,

frank

On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Paul Stenquist

 wrote:



Paul via phone


On Oct 21, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Eric Weir 

wrote:




On Oct 21, 2015, at 12:15 AM, Brian Walters

 wrote:


Interesting how political terminology can vary between countries.

Here 'Liberal' means the absolute opposite to the definition of

the term

in North America. Our 'Liberals' are the conservatives; Labor (no

'u")

are the (somewhat) leftish group.


What are called liberals everywhere else assumes that a minimum of

government is sufficient to insure liberty.


And U.S. Liberalism dictates that government should be involved in

every aspect of one's life and dictate proper behavior based on a code
of political correctness. U.S. Liberals worship at the church of
secular humanism and can't imagine why that might not work for
everyone.

What are called liberals in the US  assumes that sometimes

something more is required, that simply “leaving people alone” doesn’t
necessarily guarantee their freedom. Totally private healthcare vs. the
assumption that no one—children of poor parents, e.g.—should be denied
healthcare because they can’t pay for it. At least as good a sense of
“liberal” as the other use is an imperfect sense.




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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

[Yolanda Rowe]

Paul, I'm so sorry to hear about your wife entering hospice. Your
thoughts and energy are focused on her, but please remember to take
care of you, too.

Yolanda

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 1:54 PM, paul stenquist  wrote:
> Love you too, Frank. The post wasn’t directed at you. It wasn’t directed at 
> anyone, just letting off steam. Started my wife on hospice care today. It’s 
> been a rough week, and I’m angry with the world.
>
> Paul
>
>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 2:28 PM, knarf  wrote:
>>
>> I love you, Paul! I really do.  :-)
>>
>> I'm not going to respond to the substantive parts of either of your posts. I 
>> will say that your first post hardly inflamed me or even got me warmed up. I 
>> did smile as I read it...
>>
>> I'm hardly a "liberal" so whatever conclusions you've reached as to what 
>> liberalism is, amount to little more than a passing interest to me.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> frank
>>
>>
>> On October 22, 2015 10:02:00 AM EDT, paul stenquist 
>>  wrote:
>>> No need to gush, Stanley. Frank’s comment is a clever turn of words but
>>> meaningless, in that I was not debating anything or offering any kind
>>> of argument. I merely made an observation, based on my experience, as
>>> others have done in this thread. Of course, my words inflamed all the
>>> lefties, but that was expected. No straw men here, other than Frank’s
>>> diversion.
>>>
 On Oct 22, 2015, at 9:37 AM, Stanley Halpin
>>>  wrote:


> On Oct 21, 2015, at 9:57 PM, frank theriault
>>>  wrote:
>
> "And U.S. Liberalism dictates that government should be involved in
> every aspect of one's life and dictate proper behavior based on a
>>> code
> of political correctness. U.S. Liberals worship at the church of
> secular humanism and can't imagine why that might not work for
> everyone.”
>
 x
> There are so many straw men in there, the Wizard of Oz is wondering
> which one to give the brain to…
>
 x

 Mark!

> LOL
>
> cheers,
>
> frank
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Paul Stenquist
>>>  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Paul via phone
>>
>>> On Oct 21, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Eric Weir 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
 On Oct 21, 2015, at 12:15 AM, Brian Walters
>>>  wrote:

 Interesting how political terminology can vary between countries.

 Here 'Liberal' means the absolute opposite to the definition of
>>> the term
 in North America. Our 'Liberals' are the conservatives; Labor (no
>>> 'u")
 are the (somewhat) leftish group.
>>>
>>> What are called liberals everywhere else assumes that a minimum of
>>> government is sufficient to insure liberty.
>>
>> And U.S. Liberalism dictates that government should be involved in
>>> every aspect of one's life and dictate proper behavior based on a code
>>> of political correctness. U.S. Liberals worship at the church of
>>> secular humanism and can't imagine why that might not work for
>>> everyone.
>>> What are called liberals in the US  assumes that sometimes
>>> something more is required, that simply “leaving people alone” doesn’t
>>> necessarily guarantee their freedom. Totally private healthcare vs. the
>>> assumption that no one—children of poor parents, e.g.—should be denied
>>> healthcare because they can’t pay for it. At least as good a sense of
>>> “liberal” as the other use is an imperfect sense.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Eric Weir
>>> Decatur, GA  USA
>>> eew...@bellsouth.net
>>>
>>> “[I]t is a sign of great inner insecurity to be hostile to the
>>> unfamiliar.”
>>>
>>> - Anais Nin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

[frank theriault]

You have every right to be angry, Paul. That sucks large.

Feel free to take it out on the world. Do whatever you need to do so
you can be the pillar of strength that you will be with your family.
Your wife and Gracie need you and I know you'll be there for them.

Anything we can do to help...

cheers,

frank

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 2:54 PM, paul stenquist  wrote:
> Love you too, Frank. The post wasn’t directed at you. It wasn’t directed at 
> anyone, just letting off steam. Started my wife on hospice care today. It’s 
> been a rough week, and I’m angry with the world.
>
> Paul
>
>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 2:28 PM, knarf  wrote:
>>
>> I love you, Paul! I really do.  :-)
>>
>> I'm not going to respond to the substantive parts of either of your posts. I 
>> will say that your first post hardly inflamed me or even got me warmed up. I 
>> did smile as I read it...
>>
>> I'm hardly a "liberal" so whatever conclusions you've reached as to what 
>> liberalism is, amount to little more than a passing interest to me.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> frank
>>
>>
>> On October 22, 2015 10:02:00 AM EDT, paul stenquist 
>>  wrote:
>>> No need to gush, Stanley. Frank’s comment is a clever turn of words but
>>> meaningless, in that I was not debating anything or offering any kind
>>> of argument. I merely made an observation, based on my experience, as
>>> others have done in this thread. Of course, my words inflamed all the
>>> lefties, but that was expected. No straw men here, other than Frank’s
>>> diversion.
>>>
 On Oct 22, 2015, at 9:37 AM, Stanley Halpin
>>>  wrote:


> On Oct 21, 2015, at 9:57 PM, frank theriault
>>>  wrote:
>
> "And U.S. Liberalism dictates that government should be involved in
> every aspect of one's life and dictate proper behavior based on a
>>> code
> of political correctness. U.S. Liberals worship at the church of
> secular humanism and can't imagine why that might not work for
> everyone.”
>
 x
> There are so many straw men in there, the Wizard of Oz is wondering
> which one to give the brain to…
>
 x

 Mark!

> LOL
>
> cheers,
>
> frank
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Paul Stenquist
>>>  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Paul via phone
>>
>>> On Oct 21, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Eric Weir 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
 On Oct 21, 2015, at 12:15 AM, Brian Walters
>>>  wrote:

 Interesting how political terminology can vary between countries.

 Here 'Liberal' means the absolute opposite to the definition of
>>> the term
 in North America. Our 'Liberals' are the conservatives; Labor (no
>>> 'u")
 are the (somewhat) leftish group.
>>>
>>> What are called liberals everywhere else assumes that a minimum of
>>> government is sufficient to insure liberty.
>>
>> And U.S. Liberalism dictates that government should be involved in
>>> every aspect of one's life and dictate proper behavior based on a code
>>> of political correctness. U.S. Liberals worship at the church of
>>> secular humanism and can't imagine why that might not work for
>>> everyone.
>>> What are called liberals in the US  assumes that sometimes
>>> something more is required, that simply “leaving people alone” doesn’t
>>> necessarily guarantee their freedom. Totally private healthcare vs. the
>>> assumption that no one—children of poor parents, e.g.—should be denied
>>> healthcare because they can’t pay for it. At least as good a sense of
>>> “liberal” as the other use is an imperfect sense.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Eric Weir
>>> Decatur, GA  USA
>>> eew...@bellsouth.net
>>>
>>> “[I]t is a sign of great inner insecurity to be hostile to the
>>> unfamiliar.”
>>>
>>> - Anais Nin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[Darren Addy]

There are times when subjects like politics (and photography) suddenly
seem don't seem very important (at all) and this is one of those
times. With you and yours in spirit, Paul ... though that feels so
inadequate at this time.

Darren

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 11:04 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
> Words fail me Paul. I am so sorry to hear this.
>
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>
> - Original Message - From: "paul stenquist"
> 
> Subject: Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion
>
>
>
>> Love you too, Frank. The post wasn’t directed at you. It wasn’t directed
>> at anyone, just letting off steam. Started my wife on hospice care today.
>> It’s been a rough week, and I’m angry with the world.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 2:28 PM, knarf  wrote:
>>>
>>> I love you, Paul! I really do.  :-)
>>>
>>> I'm not going to respond to the substantive parts of either of your
>>> posts. I will say that your first post hardly inflamed me or even got me
>>> warmed up. I did smile as I read it...
>>>
>>> I'm hardly a "liberal" so whatever conclusions you've reached as to what
>>> liberalism is, amount to little more than a passing interest to me.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> frank
>>>
>>>
>>> On October 22, 2015 10:02:00 AM EDT, paul stenquist
>>>  wrote:

 No need to gush, Stanley. Frank’s comment is a clever turn of words but
 meaningless, in that I was not debating anything or offering any kind
 of argument. I merely made an observation, based on my experience, as
 others have done in this thread. Of course, my words inflamed all the
 lefties, but that was expected. No straw men here, other than Frank’s
 diversion.

> On Oct 22, 2015, at 9:37 AM, Stanley Halpin

  wrote:
>
>
>
>> On Oct 21, 2015, at 9:57 PM, frank theriault

  wrote:
>>
>>
>> "And U.S. Liberalism dictates that government should be involved in
>> every aspect of one's life and dictate proper behavior based on a

 code
>>
>> of political correctness. U.S. Liberals worship at the church of
>> secular humanism and can't imagine why that might not work for
>> everyone.”
>>
> x
>>
>> There are so many straw men in there, the Wizard of Oz is wondering
>> which one to give the brain to…
>>
> x
>
> Mark!
>
>> LOL
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>> frank
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Paul Stenquist

  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul via phone
>>>
 On Oct 21, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Eric Weir 

 wrote:



> On Oct 21, 2015, at 12:15 AM, Brian Walters

  wrote:
>
>
> Interesting how political terminology can vary between countries.
>
> Here 'Liberal' means the absolute opposite to the definition of

 the term
>
> in North America. Our 'Liberals' are the conservatives; Labor (no

 'u")
>
> are the (somewhat) leftish group.


 What are called liberals everywhere else assumes that a minimum of

 government is sufficient to insure liberty.
>>>
>>>
>>> And U.S. Liberalism dictates that government should be involved in

 every aspect of one's life and dictate proper behavior based on a code
 of political correctness. U.S. Liberals worship at the church of
 secular humanism and can't imagine why that might not work for
 everyone.

 What are called liberals in the US  assumes that sometimes

 something more is required, that simply “leaving people alone” doesn’t
 necessarily guarantee their freedom. Totally private healthcare vs. the
 assumption that no one—children of poor parents, e.g.—should be denied
 healthcare because they can’t pay for it. At least as good a sense of
 “liberal” as the other use is an imperfect sense.




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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

[paul stenquist]

No need to gush, Stanley. Frank’s comment is a clever turn of words but 
meaningless, in that I was not debating anything or offering any kind of 
argument. I merely made an observation, based on my experience, as others have 
done in this thread. Of course, my words inflamed all the lefties, but that was 
expected. No straw men here, other than Frank’s diversion.

> On Oct 22, 2015, at 9:37 AM, Stanley Halpin  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2015, at 9:57 PM, frank theriault  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> "And U.S. Liberalism dictates that government should be involved in
>> every aspect of one's life and dictate proper behavior based on a code
>> of political correctness. U.S. Liberals worship at the church of
>> secular humanism and can't imagine why that might not work for
>> everyone.”
>> 
> x
>> There are so many straw men in there, the Wizard of Oz is wondering
>> which one to give the brain to…
>> 
> x
> 
> Mark!
> 
>> LOL
>> 
>> cheers,
>> 
>> frank
>> 
>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Paul Stenquist  
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Paul via phone
>>> 
 On Oct 21, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Eric Weir  wrote:
 
 
> On Oct 21, 2015, at 12:15 AM, Brian Walters  
> wrote:
> 
> Interesting how political terminology can vary between countries.
> 
> Here 'Liberal' means the absolute opposite to the definition of the term
> in North America. Our 'Liberals' are the conservatives; Labor (no 'u")
> are the (somewhat) leftish group.
 
 What are called liberals everywhere else assumes that a minimum of 
 government is sufficient to insure liberty.
>>> 
>>> And U.S. Liberalism dictates that government should be involved in every 
>>> aspect of one's life and dictate proper behavior based on a code of 
>>> political correctness. U.S. Liberals worship at the church of secular 
>>> humanism and can't imagine why that might not work for everyone.
 What are called liberals in the US  assumes that sometimes something more 
 is required, that simply “leaving people alone” doesn’t necessarily 
 guarantee their freedom. Totally private healthcare vs. the assumption 
 that no one—children of poor parents, e.g.—should be denied healthcare 
 because they can’t pay for it. At least as good a sense of “liberal” as 
 the other use is an imperfect sense.
 
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 eew...@bellsouth.net
 
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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

[Marco Alpert]

I am so very sorry to hear that, Paul.

m

On Oct 22, 2015, at 11:54 AM, paul stenquist  wrote:

> Love you too, Frank. The post wasn’t directed at you. It wasn’t directed at 
> anyone, just letting off steam. Started my wife on hospice care today. It’s 
> been a rough week, and I’m angry with the world.
> 
> Paul
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 2:28 PM, knarf  wrote:
>> 
>> I love you, Paul! I really do.  :-)
>> 
>> I'm not going to respond to the substantive parts of either of your posts. I 
>> will say that your first post hardly inflamed me or even got me warmed up. I 
>> did smile as I read it...
>> 
>> I'm hardly a "liberal" so whatever conclusions you've reached as to what 
>> liberalism is, amount to little more than a passing interest to me. 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> frank
>> 
>> 
>> On October 22, 2015 10:02:00 AM EDT, paul stenquist 
>>  wrote:
>>> No need to gush, Stanley. Frank’s comment is a clever turn of words but
>>> meaningless, in that I was not debating anything or offering any kind
>>> of argument. I merely made an observation, based on my experience, as
>>> others have done in this thread. Of course, my words inflamed all the
>>> lefties, but that was expected. No straw men here, other than Frank’s
>>> diversion.
>>> 
 On Oct 22, 2015, at 9:37 AM, Stanley Halpin
>>>  wrote:
 
 
> On Oct 21, 2015, at 9:57 PM, frank theriault
>>>  wrote:
> 
> "And U.S. Liberalism dictates that government should be involved in
> every aspect of one's life and dictate proper behavior based on a
>>> code
> of political correctness. U.S. Liberals worship at the church of
> secular humanism and can't imagine why that might not work for
> everyone.”
> 
 x
> There are so many straw men in there, the Wizard of Oz is wondering
> which one to give the brain to…
> 
 x
 
 Mark!
 
> LOL
> 
> cheers,
> 
> frank
> 
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Paul Stenquist
>>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Paul via phone
>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Eric Weir 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 21, 2015, at 12:15 AM, Brian Walters
>>>  wrote:
 
 Interesting how political terminology can vary between countries.
 
 Here 'Liberal' means the absolute opposite to the definition of
>>> the term
 in North America. Our 'Liberals' are the conservatives; Labor (no
>>> 'u")
 are the (somewhat) leftish group.
>>> 
>>> What are called liberals everywhere else assumes that a minimum of
>>> government is sufficient to insure liberty.
>> 
>> And U.S. Liberalism dictates that government should be involved in
>>> every aspect of one's life and dictate proper behavior based on a code
>>> of political correctness. U.S. Liberals worship at the church of
>>> secular humanism and can't imagine why that might not work for
>>> everyone.
>>> What are called liberals in the US  assumes that sometimes
>>> something more is required, that simply “leaving people alone” doesn’t
>>> necessarily guarantee their freedom. Totally private healthcare vs. the
>>> assumption that no one—children of poor parents, e.g.—should be denied
>>> healthcare because they can’t pay for it. At least as good a sense of
>>> “liberal” as the other use is an imperfect sense.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
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>>> eew...@bellsouth.net
>>> 
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>>> unfamiliar.”
>>> 
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[Brian Walters]

On Fri, Oct 23, 2015, at 05:54 AM, paul stenquist wrote:
> Love you too, Frank. The post wasn’t directed at you. It wasn’t directed
> at anyone, just letting off steam. Started my wife on hospice care today.
> It’s been a rough week, and I’m angry with the world.
> 


Words seem completely inadequate at times like this but please know our
thoughts are with you and your family.


With best wishes

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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

[P.J. Alling]

On 10/21/2015 1:02 AM, David Mann wrote:

On Oct 21, 2015, at 7:27 AM, knarf  wrote:


Liberals pretty much swept the Atlantic provinces. By the time the polls closed 
in Eastern time zones (Ontario and Quebec) it was all over. The only thing to 
consider was whether Pierre Jr. was going to have his majority. Took about 
another hour to confirm that...

The only thing I fear in an election is handing one party an absolute majority. 
 I'd much rather have a government that's paralysed by arguments and indecision 
because that way they're less likely to screw the country up.


The problem is politicians have convinced us that something must be 
done.  Which leads to the proposition when ever something untoward 
happens; This is something! Therefore it must be done.  (No thought 
required).


What you described is what the U.S. federal system is supposed to 
insure, government gridlock.  There isn't supposed to be a centralized 
locus of power, either in the executive or the legislature.  A mere 51% 
of the population, of which many may regret the stupidity of the 
majority in a few years, aren't supposed to be able to impose their will 
on the resisting 49%.


Well that's been pretty much been subverted.  The the skeleton is still 
there.  It should take a gigantic consensuses to allow such changes.


A parliamentary system, such as most "democracies" have makes it very 
easy for a bare majority to get the levers of power and do pretty much 
what it wants, and given that it's government, usually poorly.






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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

[John]

Drat! You beat me to it.

On 10/20/2015 6:30 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Is Trudeau the "sexiest politician in the world?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/justin-trudeau-sexiest-politician-world-495



I dunno, but at times he's a great cartoonist.


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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

[John]

On 10/21/2015 1:02 AM, David Mann wrote:

On Oct 21, 2015, at 7:27 AM, knarf  wrote:


Liberals pretty much swept the Atlantic provinces. By the time the
polls closed in Eastern time zones (Ontario and Quebec) it was all
over. The only thing to consider was whether Pierre Jr. was going
to have his majority. Took about another hour to confirm that...


The only thing I fear in an election is handing one party an absolute
majority.  I'd much rather have a government that's paralysed by
arguments and indecision because that way they're less likely to
screw the country up.

Cheers, Dave the cynic




That doesn't always work so well either. There's lots of ways a party
can screw up a country without having an absolute majority.



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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

[Brian Walters]

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015, at 02:11 PM, knarf wrote:
> Of course we have the same parliamentary system here in Canada. I didn't
> see Justin Trudeau's name anywhere on the ballot the other day. We vote
> for the local representative and whichever party has the most seats
> "chooses" the Prime Minister. 
> 
> I can see benefits and deficits in each of the parliamentary and the
> Republican systems. Ours mostly works well - for us anyway. 


Ditto here, as far as I'm concerned. 

A lot of people here have got their knickers in a knot because the party
in power had the effrontery to replace the leader without going to the
electorate. Of course, they had every right to do so. 

Admittedly, 3 times in three or four years does seem a bit excessive...


Cheers

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> 
> Cheers,
> 
> frank
> 
> On October 21, 2015 11:02:14 PM EDT, Brian Walters
>  wrote:
> >On Thu, Oct 22, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Peter Loveday wrote:
> >> You guys and your elections, how inefficient.
> >> 
> >> We don't even bother with that stuff to change PMs these days :)
> >
> >
> >Every cloud has a silver lining...
> >
> >Of course, Australians never get to elect the PM.  The parliament does
> >that - a fact that is lost on much of the electorate.
> >
> >
> >
> >Cheers
> >
> >Brian
> >
> >++
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> >Western Sydney Australia
> >http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
> >
> >
> >> 
> >> - Peter
> >> 
> >> -Original Message- 
> >> From: knarf
> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 2:01 PM
> >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> >> Subject: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion
> >> 
> >> Okay, now that I got your attention, it's really a post about
> >elections.
> >> 
> >> We in the Great White North just had one. It was the longest election
> >
> >> campaign in our country's history: three months.
> >> 
> >> The news guys declared the winner about 6 minutes after the polls
> >closed, 
> >> and declared a majority government an hour after polls closed.
> >> 
> >> Living in Canada has its advantages.
> >> 
> >> Cheers,
> >> 
> >> frank
> >> -- 
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> >> 
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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

[David Mann]

On Oct 22, 2015, at 3:00 PM, frank theriault  wrote:

> Certainly, two of our best governments over the past 50 years have
> been minority governments. In Canada, with three major parties, a
> minority government's effectiveness often depends on who holds the
> "balance of power". Often the third place party can have a very strong
> voice in policy formation.


We have two major parties (and only one house) but we make up for it with 
proportional voting where everyone gets two votes.  One is for our electorate 
MP who gets in on a simple majority.  The other vote is a "party" vote where we 
vote for whichever party we want to support (the MP is also a party member so 
you can double-up or mix your allegiances).  This is good for electorates where 
the incumbent MP (or their party) is popular: the people who don't support them 
can at least get a voice.

The party votes are collated across the entire country and any party that gets 
at least 5% of the party vote, or at least one electorate seat, will be 
allocated seats based on their proportion of the party vote.  This works 
wonders for smaller parties, but not the ones that are too small (ie lunatics).

It's a good system but it does tend to put a lot of power into the hands of 
smaller parties when a coalition is required to form the government.  And it 
does make it impossible to get rid of the senior party members - anyone high 
enough up the "party list" in the big parties will get a seat even if they lose 
in the electorate.

Cheers,
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[frank theriault]

"And U.S. Liberalism dictates that government should be involved in
every aspect of one's life and dictate proper behavior based on a code
of political correctness. U.S. Liberals worship at the church of
secular humanism and can't imagine why that might not work for
everyone."

There are so many straw men in there, the Wizard of Oz is wondering
which one to give the brain to...

LOL

cheers,

frank

On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>
>
> Paul via phone
>
>> On Oct 21, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Eric Weir  wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On Oct 21, 2015, at 12:15 AM, Brian Walters  wrote:
>>>
>>> Interesting how political terminology can vary between countries.
>>>
>>> Here 'Liberal' means the absolute opposite to the definition of the term
>>> in North America. Our 'Liberals' are the conservatives; Labor (no 'u")
>>> are the (somewhat) leftish group.
>>
>> What are called liberals everywhere else assumes that a minimum of 
>> government is sufficient to insure liberty.
>
> And U.S. Liberalism dictates that government should be involved in every 
> aspect of one's life and dictate proper behavior based on a code of political 
> correctness. U.S. Liberals worship at the church of secular humanism and 
> can't imagine why that might not work for everyone.
>> What are called liberals in the US  assumes that sometimes something more is 
>> required, that simply “leaving people alone” doesn’t necessarily guarantee 
>> their freedom. Totally private healthcare vs. the assumption that no 
>> one—children of poor parents, e.g.—should be denied healthcare because they 
>> can’t pay for it. At least as good a sense of “liberal” as the other use is 
>> an imperfect sense.
>>
>> --
>> Eric Weir
>> Decatur, GA  USA
>> eew...@bellsouth.net
>>
>> “[I]t is a sign of great inner insecurity to be hostile to the unfamiliar.”
>>
>> - Anais Nin
>>
>>
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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

[frank theriault]

Certainly, two of our best governments over the past 50 years have
been minority governments. In Canada, with three major parties, a
minority government's effectiveness often depends on who holds the
"balance of power". Often the third place party can have a very strong
voice in policy formation.

cheers,

frank

On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 1:02 AM, David Mann  wrote:
> On Oct 21, 2015, at 7:27 AM, knarf  wrote:
>
>> Liberals pretty much swept the Atlantic provinces. By the time the polls 
>> closed in Eastern time zones (Ontario and Quebec) it was all over. The only 
>> thing to consider was whether Pierre Jr. was going to have his majority. 
>> Took about another hour to confirm that...
>
> The only thing I fear in an election is handing one party an absolute 
> majority.  I'd much rather have a government that's paralysed by arguments 
> and indecision because that way they're less likely to screw the country up.
>
> Cheers,
> Dave the cynic
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[Paul Stenquist]

Paul via phone

> On Oct 21, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Eric Weir  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2015, at 12:15 AM, Brian Walters  wrote:
>> 
>> Interesting how political terminology can vary between countries.
>> 
>> Here 'Liberal' means the absolute opposite to the definition of the term
>> in North America. Our 'Liberals' are the conservatives; Labor (no 'u")
>> are the (somewhat) leftish group.
> 
> What are called liberals everywhere else assumes that a minimum of government 
> is sufficient to insure liberty.

And U.S. Liberalism dictates that government should be involved in every aspect 
of one's life and dictate proper behavior based on a code of political 
correctness. U.S. Liberals worship at the church of secular humanism and can't 
imagine why that might not work for everyone. 
> What are called liberals in the US  assumes that sometimes something more is 
> required, that simply “leaving people alone” doesn’t necessarily guarantee 
> their freedom. Totally private healthcare vs. the assumption that no 
> one—children of poor parents, e.g.—should be denied healthcare because they 
> can’t pay for it. At least as good a sense of “liberal” as the other use is 
> an imperfect sense.
> 
> --
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> Decatur, GA  USA
> eew...@bellsouth.net
> 
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> 
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[Peter Loveday]

You guys and your elections, how inefficient.

We don't even bother with that stuff to change PMs these days :)

- Peter

-Original Message- 
From: knarf

Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 2:01 PM
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Okay, now that I got your attention, it's really a post about elections.

We in the Great White North just had one. It was the longest election 
campaign in our country's history: three months.


The news guys declared the winner about 6 minutes after the polls closed, 
and declared a majority government an hour after polls closed.


Living in Canada has its advantages.

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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

[Eric Weir]

> On Oct 21, 2015, at 12:15 AM, Brian Walters  wrote:
> 
> Interesting how political terminology can vary between countries.
> 
> Here 'Liberal' means the absolute opposite to the definition of the term
> in North America. Our 'Liberals' are the conservatives; Labor (no 'u")
> are the (somewhat) leftish group.

What are called liberals everywhere else assumes that a minimum of government 
is sufficient to insure liberty. What are called liberals in the US  assumes 
that sometimes something more is required, that simply “leaving people alone” 
doesn’t necessarily guarantee their freedom. Totally private healthcare vs. the 
assumption that no one—children of poor parents, e.g.—should be denied 
healthcare because they can’t pay for it. At least as good a sense of “liberal” 
as the other use is an imperfect sense.

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[Eric Weir]

> On Oct 21, 2015, at 1:02 AM, David Mann  wrote:
> 
> On Oct 21, 2015, at 7:27 AM, knarf  wrote:
> 
>> Liberals pretty much swept the Atlantic provinces. By the time the polls 
>> closed in Eastern time zones (Ontario and Quebec) it was all over. The only 
>> thing to consider was whether Pierre Jr. was going to have his majority. 
>> Took about another hour to confirm that...
> 
> The only thing I fear in an election is handing one party an absolute 
> majority.  I'd much rather have a government that's paralysed by arguments 
> and indecision because that way they're less likely to screw the country up.

You should live in the US. I predict you would conclude otherwise. 

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[Brian Walters]

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Peter Loveday wrote:
> You guys and your elections, how inefficient.
> 
> We don't even bother with that stuff to change PMs these days :)


Every cloud has a silver lining...

Of course, Australians never get to elect the PM.  The parliament does
that - a fact that is lost on much of the electorate.



Cheers

Brian

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> 
> - Peter
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: knarf
> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 2:01 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion
> 
> Okay, now that I got your attention, it's really a post about elections.
> 
> We in the Great White North just had one. It was the longest election 
> campaign in our country's history: three months.
> 
> The news guys declared the winner about 6 minutes after the polls closed, 
> and declared a majority government an hour after polls closed.
> 
> Living in Canada has its advantages.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> frank
> -- 
> 
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> 
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[knarf]

Of course we have the same parliamentary system here in Canada. I didn't see 
Justin Trudeau's name anywhere on the ballot the other day. We vote for the 
local representative and whichever party has the most seats "chooses" the Prime 
Minister. 

I can see benefits and deficits in each of the parliamentary and the Republican 
systems. Ours mostly works well - for us anyway. 

Cheers,

frank

On October 21, 2015 11:02:14 PM EDT, Brian Walters  
wrote:
>On Thu, Oct 22, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Peter Loveday wrote:
>> You guys and your elections, how inefficient.
>> 
>> We don't even bother with that stuff to change PMs these days :)
>
>
>Every cloud has a silver lining...
>
>Of course, Australians never get to elect the PM.  The parliament does
>that - a fact that is lost on much of the electorate.
>
>
>
>Cheers
>
>Brian
>
>++
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>http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
>
>
>> 
>> - Peter
>> 
>> -Original Message- 
>> From: knarf
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 2:01 PM
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion
>> 
>> Okay, now that I got your attention, it's really a post about
>elections.
>> 
>> We in the Great White North just had one. It was the longest election
>
>> campaign in our country's history: three months.
>> 
>> The news guys declared the winner about 6 minutes after the polls
>closed, 
>> and declared a majority government an hour after polls closed.
>> 
>> Living in Canada has its advantages.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> frank
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>> "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson
>> 
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>> 

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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

[Bob Sullivan]

David,
Careful what you wish for or we'll send you some Tea Party idiots to
block everything up.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 12:02 AM, David Mann  wrote:
> On Oct 21, 2015, at 7:27 AM, knarf  wrote:
>
>> Liberals pretty much swept the Atlantic provinces. By the time the polls 
>> closed in Eastern time zones (Ontario and Quebec) it was all over. The only 
>> thing to consider was whether Pierre Jr. was going to have his majority. 
>> Took about another hour to confirm that...
>
> The only thing I fear in an election is handing one party an absolute 
> majority.  I'd much rather have a government that's paralysed by arguments 
> and indecision because that way they're less likely to screw the country up.
>
> Cheers,
> Dave the cynic
>
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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

[Sandy Harris]

On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 8:37 AM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:

> Careful what you wish for or we'll send you some Tea Party idiots to
> block everything up.

Harper was basically a Canadian tea-anderthal. That is among the
many reasons most of us are so glad to be rid of him,

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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

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On 20 Oct 2015, at 04:32, knarf  wrote:
> 
> Okay, now that I got your attention, it's really a post about elections. 
> 
> We in the Great White North just had one. It was the longest election 
> campaign in our country's history: three months.
> 
> The news guys declared the winner about 6 minutes after the polls closed, and 
> declared a majority government an hour after polls closed. 
> 

North Korea's good at that too.

> Living in Canada has its advantages.
> 

Only 5 people in the electorate?

B
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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

[Daniel J. Matyola]

OK, Canada.

Join the club.

You now elect family dynasties, just like the US.

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On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 11:31 PM, knarf  wrote:
> Okay, now that I got your attention, it's really a post about elections.
>
> We in the Great White North just had one. It was the longest election 
> campaign in our country's history: three months.
>
> The news guys declared the winner about 6 minutes after the polls closed, and 
> declared a majority government an hour after polls closed.
>
> Living in Canada has its advantages.
>
> Cheers,
>
> frank
> --
>
> "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson
>
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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

[Daniel J. Matyola]

On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 10:13 AM, Ken Waller  wrote:
> OH.CANADA !

Trudeau seems to have a bit of that Putin charm:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18112106



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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

[Ken Waller]

More like

OH.CANADA !


-Original Message-
>From: "Daniel J. Matyola" 
>Sent: Oct 20, 2015 10:07 AM
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>Subject: Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion
>
>OK, Canada.
>
>Join the club.
>
>You now elect family dynasties, just like the US.
>
>Dan Matyola
>http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>
>
>On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 11:31 PM, knarf  wrote:
>> Okay, now that I got your attention, it's really a post about elections.
>>
>> We in the Great White North just had one. It was the longest election 
>> campaign in our country's history: three months.
>>
>> The news guys declared the winner about 6 minutes after the polls closed, 
>> and declared a majority government an hour after polls closed.
>>
>> Living in Canada has its advantages.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> frank
>> --
>>
>> "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson
>>
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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Is Trudeau the "sexiest politician in the world?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/justin-trudeau-sexiest-politician-world-495

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On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 11:31 PM, knarf  wrote:
> Okay, now that I got your attention, it's really a post about elections.
>
> We in the Great White North just had one. It was the longest election 
> campaign in our country's history: three months.
>
> The news guys declared the winner about 6 minutes after the polls closed, and 
> declared a majority government an hour after polls closed.
>
> Living in Canada has its advantages.
>
> Cheers,
>
> frank
> --
>
> "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson
>
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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

[P.J. Alling]

Oh, how you underestimate him, sure he can.

On 10/20/2015 2:32 PM, knarf wrote:

It began (in Canada) with his father in '68. It was called Trudeaumania.

To matters even better, our new PM was born on - wait for it - December 25th. 
Truly the second coming...

LOL!

At least he has one thing going for him: he can't do any worse than the 
right-wing corporate puppet that preceded him.

Cheers,

frank

On October 20, 2015 2:26:46 PM EDT, "P.J. Alling"  
wrote:

Let the cult of personality begin.

On 10/20/2015 2:21 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Is Trudeau the "sexiest politician in the world?



http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/justin-trudeau-sexiest-politician-world-495

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On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 11:31 PM, knarf 

wrote:

Okay, now that I got your attention, it's really a post about

elections.

We in the Great White North just had one. It was the longest

election campaign in our country's history: three months.

The news guys declared the winner about 6 minutes after the polls

closed, and declared a majority government an hour after polls closed.

Living in Canada has its advantages.

Cheers,

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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

[knarf]

No, he can't. 

Cheers,

frank

On October 20, 2015 2:36:38 PM EDT, "P.J. Alling"  
wrote:
>Oh, how you underestimate him, sure he can.
>
>On 10/20/2015 2:32 PM, knarf wrote:
>> It began (in Canada) with his father in '68. It was called
>Trudeaumania.
>>
>> To matters even better, our new PM was born on - wait for it -
>December 25th. Truly the second coming...
>>
>> LOL!
>>
>> At least he has one thing going for him: he can't do any worse than
>the right-wing corporate puppet that preceded him.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> frank
>>
>> On October 20, 2015 2:26:46 PM EDT, "P.J. Alling"
> wrote:
>>> Let the cult of personality begin.
>>>
>>> On 10/20/2015 2:21 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
 Is Trudeau the "sexiest politician in the world?


>>>
>http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/justin-trudeau-sexiest-politician-world-495
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 On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 11:31 PM, knarf 
>>> wrote:
> Okay, now that I got your attention, it's really a post about
>>> elections.
> We in the Great White North just had one. It was the longest
>>> election campaign in our country's history: three months.
> The news guys declared the winner about 6 minutes after the polls
>>> closed, and declared a majority government an hour after polls
>closed.
> Living in Canada has its advantages.
>
> Cheers,
>
> frank
> --
>
> "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson
>
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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

[Bob W-PDML]

My vote goes to Eric Pickles.

http://www.gloucestershireecho.co.uk/images/localworld/ugc-images/276334/Article/images/24410353/8087749-large.jpg

He's so sexy that people everywhere refer to him by a female anatomical name.

B

> On 20 Oct 2015, at 19:22, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> Is Trudeau the "sexiest politician in the world?
> 
> http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/justin-trudeau-sexiest-politician-world-495
> 
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 11:31 PM, knarf  wrote:
>> Okay, now that I got your attention, it's really a post about elections.
>> 
>> We in the Great White North just had one. It was the longest election 
>> campaign in our country's history: three months.
>> 
>> The news guys declared the winner about 6 minutes after the polls closed, 
>> and declared a majority government an hour after polls closed.
>> 
>> Living in Canada has its advantages.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> frank
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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

[P.J. Alling]

Let the cult of personality begin.

On 10/20/2015 2:21 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Is Trudeau the "sexiest politician in the world?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/justin-trudeau-sexiest-politician-world-495

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On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 11:31 PM, knarf  wrote:

Okay, now that I got your attention, it's really a post about elections.

We in the Great White North just had one. It was the longest election campaign 
in our country's history: three months.

The news guys declared the winner about 6 minutes after the polls closed, and 
declared a majority government an hour after polls closed.

Living in Canada has its advantages.

Cheers,

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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

[knarf]

"I'd be curious to know how they already knew the results before anyone
>had time to actually count ballots"

Two words: Time Zones.

Liberals pretty much swept the Atlantic provinces. By the time the polls closed 
in Eastern time zones (Ontario and Quebec) it was all over. The only thing to 
consider was whether Pierre Jr. was going to have his majority. Took about 
another hour to confirm that...

Cheers,

frank 



On October 20, 2015 9:20:52 AM EDT, John  wrote:
>On 10/19/2015 11:31 PM, knarf wrote:
>> Okay, now that I got your attention, it's really a post about
>> elections.
>>
>> We in the Great White North just had one. It was the longest election
>> campaign in our country's history: three months.
>>
>> The news guys declared the winner about 6 minutes after the polls
>> closed, and declared a majority government an hour after polls
>> closed.
>>
>> Living in Canada has its advantages.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> frank
>>
>
>I'd be curious to know how they already knew the results before anyone
>had time to actually count ballots?

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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

[knarf]

It began (in Canada) with his father in '68. It was called Trudeaumania. 

To matters even better, our new PM was born on - wait for it - December 25th. 
Truly the second coming...

LOL!

At least he has one thing going for him: he can't do any worse than the 
right-wing corporate puppet that preceded him.

Cheers,

frank

On October 20, 2015 2:26:46 PM EDT, "P.J. Alling"  
wrote:
>Let the cult of personality begin.
>
>On 10/20/2015 2:21 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>> Is Trudeau the "sexiest politician in the world?
>>
>>
>http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/justin-trudeau-sexiest-politician-world-495
>>
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 11:31 PM, knarf 
>wrote:
>>> Okay, now that I got your attention, it's really a post about
>elections.
>>>
>>> We in the Great White North just had one. It was the longest
>election campaign in our country's history: three months.
>>>
>>> The news guys declared the winner about 6 minutes after the polls
>closed, and declared a majority government an hour after polls closed.
>>>
>>> Living in Canada has its advantages.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> frank
>>> --
>>>
>>> "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson
>>>
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[knarf]

We call him "Hair Boy"...

Cheers,

frank

On October 20, 2015 2:21:47 PM EDT, "Daniel J. Matyola"  
wrote:
>Is Trudeau the "sexiest politician in the world?
>
>http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/justin-trudeau-sexiest-politician-world-495
>
>Dan Matyola
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>
>
>On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 11:31 PM, knarf 
>wrote:
>> Okay, now that I got your attention, it's really a post about
>elections.
>>
>> We in the Great White North just had one. It was the longest election
>campaign in our country's history: three months.
>>
>> The news guys declared the winner about 6 minutes after the polls
>closed, and declared a majority government an hour after polls closed.
>>
>> Living in Canada has its advantages.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> frank
>> --
>>
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>>
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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

[steve harley]

On 2015-10-19 21:31 , knarf wrote:

Okay, now that I got your attention, it's really a post about elections.

We in the Great White North just had one. It was the longest election campaign 
in our country's history: three months.

The news guys declared the winner about 6 minutes after the polls closed, and 
declared a majority government an hour after polls closed.

Living in Canada has its advantages.


i'm happy for you Knarf (no sarcasm, and yes, i know they are still bloody 
politicians, but you should be allowed a few moments of cheer before the 
gloom sets in again)


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[David J Brooks]

On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Collin B  wrote:
> Efficient, perhaps.
> Let me know when you get economic, speech, & religious liberty back.
> Then I'll be really happy for you.

all that and more will come back with the liberals. Thats what
liberals do i'm told.:-)
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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

[Brian Walters]

On Wed, Oct 21, 2015, at 05:47 AM, Bob W-PDML wrote:
> My vote goes to Eric Pickles.
> 
> http://www.gloucestershireecho.co.uk/images/localworld/ugc-images/276334/Article/images/24410353/8087749-large.jpg
> 
> He's so sexy that people everywhere refer to him by a female anatomical
> name.


Our recently deposed and unlamented PM was referred to by a male one,
even by the few who actually liked him...


Cheers

Brian

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> 
> B
> 
> > On 20 Oct 2015, at 19:22, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> > 
> > Is Trudeau the "sexiest politician in the world?
> > 
> > http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/justin-trudeau-sexiest-politician-world-495
> > 
> > Dan Matyola
> > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> > 
> > 
> >> On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 11:31 PM, knarf  wrote:
> >> Okay, now that I got your attention, it's really a post about elections.
> >> 
> >> We in the Great White North just had one. It was the longest election 
> >> campaign in our country's history: three months.
> >> 
> >> The news guys declared the winner about 6 minutes after the polls closed, 
> >> and declared a majority government an hour after polls closed.
> >> 
> >> Living in Canada has its advantages.
> >> 
> >> Cheers,
> >> 
> >> frank
> >> --
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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

[Larry Colen]

Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Is Trudeau the "sexiest politician in the world?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/justin-trudeau-sexiest-politician-world-495


I dunno, but at times he's a great cartoonist.


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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

[Collin B]

Efficient, perhaps.
Let me know when you get economic, speech, & religious liberty back.
Then I'll be really happy for you.

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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

[Bill]

On 10/20/2015 8:55 AM, Collin B wrote:

Efficient, perhaps.
Let me know when you get economic, speech, & religious liberty back.
Then I'll be really happy for you.




We never lost it, so there is nothing to get back.
Let us know when you stop being so fucking afraid of terrorists that you 
come out from under your beds.


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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

[Daniel J. Matyola]

On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 6:30 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> I dunno, but at times he's a great cartoonist.

Actually, Gary is usually more political than Justin.

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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

[Brian Walters]

Interesting how political terminology can vary between countries.

Here 'Liberal' means the absolute opposite to the definition of the term
in North America. Our 'Liberals' are the conservatives; Labor (no 'u")
are the (somewhat) leftish group.


Cheers

Brian

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On Wed, Oct 21, 2015, at 01:50 PM, frank theriault wrote:
> Well, luckily, now that we've elected a somewhat progressive (by
> American standards, downright socialist) Liberal government, we'll
> likely regain some of what was taken away by the corporate-capitalist
> Conservative toadies.
> 
> True, our elected government is not nearly as far to the left as I'd
> prefer, I'm still buoyed by the fact that they have actually pledged
> to raise taxes on the rich, directly fund infrastructure improvements
> to stimulate the economy and run a deficit to fund those hefty
> government expenditures. Gotta love Keynsian Economics! Happy days are
> here again!
> 
> cheers,
> 
> frank
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Collin B 
> wrote:
> > Efficient, perhaps.
> > Let me know when you get economic, speech, & religious liberty back.
> > Then I'll be really happy for you.
> >
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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

[frank theriault]

Well, luckily, now that we've elected a somewhat progressive (by
American standards, downright socialist) Liberal government, we'll
likely regain some of what was taken away by the corporate-capitalist
Conservative toadies.

True, our elected government is not nearly as far to the left as I'd
prefer, I'm still buoyed by the fact that they have actually pledged
to raise taxes on the rich, directly fund infrastructure improvements
to stimulate the economy and run a deficit to fund those hefty
government expenditures. Gotta love Keynsian Economics! Happy days are
here again!

cheers,

frank



On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Collin B  wrote:
> Efficient, perhaps.
> Let me know when you get economic, speech, & religious liberty back.
> Then I'll be really happy for you.
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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

[David Mann]

On Oct 21, 2015, at 7:27 AM, knarf  wrote:

> Liberals pretty much swept the Atlantic provinces. By the time the polls 
> closed in Eastern time zones (Ontario and Quebec) it was all over. The only 
> thing to consider was whether Pierre Jr. was going to have his majority. Took 
> about another hour to confirm that...

The only thing I fear in an election is handing one party an absolute majority. 
 I'd much rather have a government that's paralysed by arguments and indecision 
because that way they're less likely to screw the country up.

Cheers,
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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

[John]

On 10/19/2015 11:31 PM, knarf wrote:

Okay, now that I got your attention, it's really a post about
elections.

We in the Great White North just had one. It was the longest election
campaign in our country's history: three months.

The news guys declared the winner about 6 minutes after the polls
closed, and declared a majority government an hour after polls
closed.

Living in Canada has its advantages.

Cheers,

frank



I'd be curious to know how they already knew the results before anyone
had time to actually count ballots?

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[David J Brooks]

On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 11:31 PM, knarf  wrote:
> Okay, now that I got your attention, it's really a post about elections.
>
> We in the Great White North just had one. It was the longest election 
> campaign in our country's history: three months.
>
> The news guys declared the winner about 6 minutes after the polls closed, and 
> declared a majority government an hour after polls closed.
>
> Living in Canada has its advantages.

It does, our elections only last 3 months not 4 years.:-)

Dave
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> Cheers,
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Re: OT - Elections and Politics and Guns and Religion

[Bill]

On 10/19/2015 9:31 PM, knarf wrote:

Okay, now that I got your attention, it's really a post about elections.

We in the Great White North just had one. It was the longest election campaign 
in our country's history: three months.

The news guys declared the winner about 6 minutes after the polls closed, and 
declared a majority government an hour after polls closed.

Living in Canada has its advantages.

Cheers,

frank



The NDP guy and the Conservative guy in my riding are having quite the 
little horse race. It's still too close to call with 144 of 174 polls 
reporting.
The Liberal in my riding is, in my shockingly blunt opinion, a nasty 
little prick of a man. A wet turd would win against him. Bad choice on 
the part of the Liberals.
OTOH, Goodale is in again, for something like the eighth time in a row. 
He served in Pierre Trudeau's 1974 government.


bill

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