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I don't use LR on the iPad, but I do use various other tools there. The iPad Pro 11" (2018-2019 edition) I have is outfitted with 1T data storage and 6G RAM … It works well with the 50Mpixel raw image files out of the Hasselblad 907x/CFVII 50c. A very fast and powerful little machine! Hasselblad's dedicated "Phocus Mobile 2" app is quite good, albeit with a bit of a learning curve. Leica CL, M-D, SL, etc files are handled nicely in various other editors on the iPad. I suspect that's the class of iPad Adobe has in mind as a "semi pro image processing environment" as opposed to any of the older, non-Pro models. It has been many years now since I had any need of Photoshop. When I need a pixel editor of a similar nature, I use Affinity Photo (which has versions on macOS, iOS, and iPadOS). It's both a lot cheaper and simpler than PS, and has no monthly tax attached. I'll move away from LR too when I find a substitute that does what it does and works well enough. I've never found much need or value in the Cloud features of LR; they were around even in the LR 6 and prior time. If I want to show photos to the world, I use Flickr and Instagram, occasionally FaceBook. If I want to control the web display more specifically, I create a website of my own. It's not so automated, but gives me explicit control. Overall, that's my primary thrust: I want to be in control of my photo files so I don't use things that put them out of my control. G > On Apr 2, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: > > Yes, that's true, Godfrey. Adobe muddied the waters considerably by > renaming "old" Lightroom to Lightroom Classic CC and added this > multi-platform Lightroom CC app. > > I had a quick look at it and determined it's a toy of no use to me. I > never do quick edits on my iPad which is about its limit. Can't > anyway: a single 645Z file would bring it entirely to its knees. They > didn't think this idea through, is my conclusion. > > I mainly use Lr Classic CC but when I need it, I use Photoshop CC > intensely and deeply. It's a Swiss Army Knife, extremely useful, > flexible, and sharp. But complicated. Thank goodness for Google and > Youtube. :-) > > BTW, Lr Classic CC leverages the cloud too. There are some features > that sync out via the cloud, and you can sync images in your Portfolio > space directly from Lr folders. There's a freebie storage space you > can use to show friends and family too; I forget what that's called, > but it's potentially useful for a social-media replacement (more > private than Facebook or Instagram). > > On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 1:46 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi > wrote: >> >> There is a distinction to be made: Lightroom Classic is the "old way", >> desktop-based Lightroom with some Cloud service stuff added on that you can >> choose to use or not. Lightroom CC is the "new way" of cloud-based >> "operations from everywhere". Adobe wants to get people onto LRCC but it's >> not quite up to the feature and capability level of LR Classic as yet. >> >> I use LR Classic. It works reasonably well, I'm reasonably happy, and I have >> nothing other than the monthly $10 subscription fee. I continue the search >> for what to replace it with when Adobe constrains what I can do to being >> their Cloud only products. I have no need for Photoshop or any of the other >> tools in their suite at this point. >> >> G >> >>> On Apr 2, 2020, at 6:41 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: >>> >>> Alan, there are no Cloud operations unless you specifically perform >>> them. All the software is installed on your workstation (or tablet). >>> All your files are local to your workstation too. >>> >>> The "cloud" thing is largely a Marketing hype buzzword. What Cloud >>> gives you is the optional ability to sync your settings, previews, and >>> various other data like fonts, brushes, tools and such to other >>> places, like your laptop, a tablet, etc. >>> >>> Really it's just a software subscription instead of a one time >>> payment. You get periodic (quite regular, in fact) updates (features >>> and fixes) with the ability to roll back or even run multiple versions >>> at the same time if you want to. >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 5:36 AM Alan C wrote: What about data costs if you are operating in cloud? Alan C On 02-Apr-20 05:34 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > LR Classic has several additional additional Develop module niceties, > like the haze filter. > > G > >> On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:23 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >> >> What are the advances to lightroom? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> -bmw >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to
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> On 4 Apr 2020, at 16:56, Stanley Halpin wrote: > > > >> You have all quite possibly seen some of Bruce mentions as the how LR >> Classic “leverages the cloud.” If you have some/all of your photos synched >> to your portion of the cloud, then it is quick and easy to make a selection >> of 10-15 shots, call it a gallery, and generate the URL for others to link >> to. E.g., here is one of mine: https://adobe.ly/308IbSp > > Bob in London is doing similar with his occasional galleries though, IIRC, he > is using the newer LR CC rather than the LR Classic. > > While I like this feature, it is great for on-the-road sharing to my travel > blog, the cloudy bits can also be a PITA. In particular I do NOT want to > willy nilly synch all of my images to the cloud when I am traveling, and > certainly when I am at home. Synch can be turned off, but I find it difficult > to selectively synch just those images that I want out there. But for a > professional, on the job site, sharing batches of images with a client, it > seems it could be very useful. > > stan I have both versions of LR but I’m using it exclusively on my iPhone and iPad at the moment as I ballsed up my Windows laptop and have completely erased Windows from it and replaced it with Linux Mint. I have an Apple SD card reader and import from that directly into LR on my iPhone, and sync everything to the cloud. The laptop is over ten years old and although in good condition and top of the range in its day, it couldn’t cope with W10 and the various demands made on it for effective homeworking. I was cleaning it up to make space and appear to have deleted something important such that Windows went into an eternal ‘cannot recover’ BSOD loop. No data lost as it’s all in the cloud, and on a separate back-up disk. If I ever get a Windows machine again I can reinstall LR Classic CC, but I wasn’t using it. As for homeworking, I cycled into the office and brought my work laptop home. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On Apr 2, 2020, at 2:42 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: > > Yes, that's true, Godfrey. Adobe muddied the waters considerably by > renaming "old" Lightroom to Lightroom Classic CC and added this > multi-platform Lightroom CC app. > > I had a quick look at it and determined it's a toy of no use to me. I > never do quick edits on my iPad which is about its limit. Can't > anyway: a single 645Z file would bring it entirely to its knees. They > didn't think this idea through, is my conclusion. > > I mainly use Lr Classic CC but when I need it, I use Photoshop CC > intensely and deeply. It's a Swiss Army Knife, extremely useful, > flexible, and sharp. But complicated. Thank goodness for Google and > Youtube. :-) > > BTW, Lr Classic CC leverages the cloud too. There are some features > that sync out via the cloud, and you can sync images in your Portfolio > space directly from Lr folders. There's a freebie storage space you > can use to show friends and family too; I forget what that's called, > but it's potentially useful for a social-media replacement (more > private than Facebook or Instagram). You have all quite possibly seen some of Bruce mentions as the how LR Classic “leverages the cloud.” If you have some/all of your photos synched to your portion of the cloud, then it is quick and easy to make a selection of 10-15 shots, call it a gallery, and generate the URL for others to link to. E.g., here is one of mine: https://adobe.ly/308IbSp Bob in London is doing similar with his occasional galleries though, IIRC, he is using the newer LR CC rather than the LR Classic. While I like this feature, it is great for on-the-road sharing to my travel blog, the cloudy bits can also be a PITA. In particular I do NOT want to willy nilly synch all of my images to the cloud when I am traveling, and certainly when I am at home. Synch can be turned off, but I find it difficult to selectively synch just those images that I want out there. But for a professional, on the job site, sharing batches of images with a client, it seems it could be very useful. stan > > On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 1:46 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi > wrote: >> >> There is a distinction to be made: Lightroom Classic is the "old way", >> desktop-based Lightroom with some Cloud service stuff added on that you can >> choose to use or not. Lightroom CC is the "new way" of cloud-based >> "operations from everywhere". Adobe wants to get people onto LRCC but it's >> not quite up to the feature and capability level of LR Classic as yet. >> >> I use LR Classic. It works reasonably well, I'm reasonably happy, and I have >> nothing other than the monthly $10 subscription fee. I continue the search >> for what to replace it with when Adobe constrains what I can do to being >> their Cloud only products. I have no need for Photoshop or any of the other >> tools in their suite at this point. >> >> G >> >>> On Apr 2, 2020, at 6:41 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: >>> >>> Alan, there are no Cloud operations unless you specifically perform >>> them. All the software is installed on your workstation (or tablet). >>> All your files are local to your workstation too. >>> >>> The "cloud" thing is largely a Marketing hype buzzword. What Cloud >>> gives you is the optional ability to sync your settings, previews, and >>> various other data like fonts, brushes, tools and such to other >>> places, like your laptop, a tablet, etc. >>> >>> Really it's just a software subscription instead of a one time >>> payment. You get periodic (quite regular, in fact) updates (features >>> and fixes) with the ability to roll back or even run multiple versions >>> at the same time if you want to. >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 5:36 AM Alan C wrote: What about data costs if you are operating in cloud? Alan C On 02-Apr-20 05:34 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > LR Classic has several additional additional Develop module niceties, > like the haze filter. > > G > >> On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:23 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >> >> What are the advances to lightroom? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> -bmw >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > > -- > -bmw > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link
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On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 8:50 PM Bill wrote: > > On 4/2/2020 7:34 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: > > Larry, much of it is in incremental refinements, and much of it is > > under the hood. Speedups in all operations mean it handles my 645Z > > files with ease. Faster previews and fewer delays when navigating > > them. > > > > Lr uses the GPU now. You can add an external GPU module and get more > > speed. Lr also makes more use of multi-CPUs. I can now do dodge > > with adjustment brushes for portrait retouching. (If I tried in that > > in old Lr it would kill the performance and wasn't practical.) I can > > avoid edits in Ps for more things. > > > > My biggest complaint right now is that the older software seems to run > very slowly. I have a pretty good machine, but some of what I am asking > it to do seems like 1997 all over again. Then you will be pleasantly surprised by Lr Classic CC. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 4/2/2020 7:34 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: Larry, much of it is in incremental refinements, and much of it is under the hood. Speedups in all operations mean it handles my 645Z files with ease. Faster previews and fewer delays when navigating them. Lr uses the GPU now. You can add an external GPU module and get more speed. Lr also makes more use of multi-CPUs. I can now do dodge with adjustment brushes for portrait retouching. (If I tried in that in old Lr it would kill the performance and wasn't practical.) I can avoid edits in Ps for more things. My biggest complaint right now is that the older software seems to run very slowly. I have a pretty good machine, but some of what I am asking it to do seems like 1997 all over again. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Stupid Adobe Question
Yes, that's true, Godfrey. Adobe muddied the waters considerably by renaming "old" Lightroom to Lightroom Classic CC and added this multi-platform Lightroom CC app. I had a quick look at it and determined it's a toy of no use to me. I never do quick edits on my iPad which is about its limit. Can't anyway: a single 645Z file would bring it entirely to its knees. They didn't think this idea through, is my conclusion. I mainly use Lr Classic CC but when I need it, I use Photoshop CC intensely and deeply. It's a Swiss Army Knife, extremely useful, flexible, and sharp. But complicated. Thank goodness for Google and Youtube. :-) BTW, Lr Classic CC leverages the cloud too. There are some features that sync out via the cloud, and you can sync images in your Portfolio space directly from Lr folders. There's a freebie storage space you can use to show friends and family too; I forget what that's called, but it's potentially useful for a social-media replacement (more private than Facebook or Instagram). On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 1:46 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > There is a distinction to be made: Lightroom Classic is the "old way", > desktop-based Lightroom with some Cloud service stuff added on that you can > choose to use or not. Lightroom CC is the "new way" of cloud-based > "operations from everywhere". Adobe wants to get people onto LRCC but it's > not quite up to the feature and capability level of LR Classic as yet. > > I use LR Classic. It works reasonably well, I'm reasonably happy, and I have > nothing other than the monthly $10 subscription fee. I continue the search > for what to replace it with when Adobe constrains what I can do to being > their Cloud only products. I have no need for Photoshop or any of the other > tools in their suite at this point. > > G > > > On Apr 2, 2020, at 6:41 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: > > > > Alan, there are no Cloud operations unless you specifically perform > > them. All the software is installed on your workstation (or tablet). > > All your files are local to your workstation too. > > > > The "cloud" thing is largely a Marketing hype buzzword. What Cloud > > gives you is the optional ability to sync your settings, previews, and > > various other data like fonts, brushes, tools and such to other > > places, like your laptop, a tablet, etc. > > > > Really it's just a software subscription instead of a one time > > payment. You get periodic (quite regular, in fact) updates (features > > and fixes) with the ability to roll back or even run multiple versions > > at the same time if you want to. > > > > On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 5:36 AM Alan C wrote: > >> > >> What about data costs if you are operating in cloud? > >> > >> Alan C > >> > >> On 02-Apr-20 05:34 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > >>> LR Classic has several additional additional Develop module niceties, > >>> like the haze filter. > >>> > >>> G > >>> > On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:23 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > What are the advances to lightroom? > >> > >> > >> -- > >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >> PDML@pdml.net > >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > >> follow the directions. > > > > > > > > -- > > -bmw > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > > follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Ken, if you cancel, after a short time Ps will stop saving files. Or it just won't fully launch, I am not sure which of those. "Short time" is a few weeks I believe. On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 12:31 PM Ken Waller wrote: > > > Thanks Bruce, I’m in a similar situation since my PC went belly up and my new > machine with windows 10 apparently won’t accept the ‘new’ CS4 I have. > > What happens to PS if after some time on subscription, I cancel the > subscription ? > > -Original Message- > >From: Bruce Walker > >Sent: Apr 2, 2020 9:41 AM > >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >Subject: Re: Stupid Adobe Question > > > >Alan, there are no Cloud operations unless you specifically perform > >them. All the software is installed on your workstation (or tablet). > >All your files are local to your workstation too. > > > >The "cloud" thing is largely a Marketing hype buzzword. What Cloud > >gives you is the optional ability to sync your settings, previews, and > >various other data like fonts, brushes, tools and such to other > >places, like your laptop, a tablet, etc. > > > >Really it's just a software subscription instead of a one time > >payment. You get periodic (quite regular, in fact) updates (features > >and fixes) with the ability to roll back or even run multiple versions > >at the same time if you want to. > > > >On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 5:36 AM Alan C wrote: > >> > >> What about data costs if you are operating in cloud? > >> > >> Alan C > >> > >> On 02-Apr-20 05:34 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > >> > LR Classic has several additional additional Develop module niceties, > >> > like the haze filter. > >> > > >> > G > >> > > >> >> On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:23 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > >> >> > >> >> What are the advances to lightroom? > >> > >> > >> -- > >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >> PDML@pdml.net > >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > >> follow the directions. > > > > > > > >-- > >-bmw > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Stupid Adobe Question
There is a distinction to be made: Lightroom Classic is the "old way", desktop-based Lightroom with some Cloud service stuff added on that you can choose to use or not. Lightroom CC is the "new way" of cloud-based "operations from everywhere". Adobe wants to get people onto LRCC but it's not quite up to the feature and capability level of LR Classic as yet. I use LR Classic. It works reasonably well, I'm reasonably happy, and I have nothing other than the monthly $10 subscription fee. I continue the search for what to replace it with when Adobe constrains what I can do to being their Cloud only products. I have no need for Photoshop or any of the other tools in their suite at this point. G > On Apr 2, 2020, at 6:41 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: > > Alan, there are no Cloud operations unless you specifically perform > them. All the software is installed on your workstation (or tablet). > All your files are local to your workstation too. > > The "cloud" thing is largely a Marketing hype buzzword. What Cloud > gives you is the optional ability to sync your settings, previews, and > various other data like fonts, brushes, tools and such to other > places, like your laptop, a tablet, etc. > > Really it's just a software subscription instead of a one time > payment. You get periodic (quite regular, in fact) updates (features > and fixes) with the ability to roll back or even run multiple versions > at the same time if you want to. > > On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 5:36 AM Alan C wrote: >> >> What about data costs if you are operating in cloud? >> >> Alan C >> >> On 02-Apr-20 05:34 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >>> LR Classic has several additional additional Develop module niceties, like >>> the haze filter. >>> >>> G >>> On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:23 PM, Larry Colen wrote: What are the advances to lightroom? >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > > -- > -bmw > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks Bruce, I’m in a similar situation since my PC went belly up and my new machine with windows 10 apparently won’t accept the ‘new’ CS4 I have. What happens to PS if after some time on subscription, I cancel the subscription ? -Original Message- >From: Bruce Walker >Sent: Apr 2, 2020 9:41 AM >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >Subject: Re: Stupid Adobe Question > >Alan, there are no Cloud operations unless you specifically perform >them. All the software is installed on your workstation (or tablet). >All your files are local to your workstation too. > >The "cloud" thing is largely a Marketing hype buzzword. What Cloud >gives you is the optional ability to sync your settings, previews, and >various other data like fonts, brushes, tools and such to other >places, like your laptop, a tablet, etc. > >Really it's just a software subscription instead of a one time >payment. You get periodic (quite regular, in fact) updates (features >and fixes) with the ability to roll back or even run multiple versions >at the same time if you want to. > >On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 5:36 AM Alan C wrote: >> >> What about data costs if you are operating in cloud? >> >> Alan C >> >> On 02-Apr-20 05:34 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >> > LR Classic has several additional additional Develop module niceties, like >> > the haze filter. >> > >> > G >> > >> >> On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:23 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >> >> >> >> What are the advances to lightroom? >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > >-- >-bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Alan, there are no Cloud operations unless you specifically perform them. All the software is installed on your workstation (or tablet). All your files are local to your workstation too. The "cloud" thing is largely a Marketing hype buzzword. What Cloud gives you is the optional ability to sync your settings, previews, and various other data like fonts, brushes, tools and such to other places, like your laptop, a tablet, etc. Really it's just a software subscription instead of a one time payment. You get periodic (quite regular, in fact) updates (features and fixes) with the ability to roll back or even run multiple versions at the same time if you want to. On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 5:36 AM Alan C wrote: > > What about data costs if you are operating in cloud? > > Alan C > > On 02-Apr-20 05:34 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > LR Classic has several additional additional Develop module niceties, like > > the haze filter. > > > > G > > > >> On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:23 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > >> > >> What are the advances to lightroom? > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Larry, much of it is in incremental refinements, and much of it is under the hood. Speedups in all operations mean it handles my 645Z files with ease. Faster previews and fewer delays when navigating them. Lr uses the GPU now. You can add an external GPU module and get more speed. Lr also makes more use of multi-CPUs. I can now do dodge with adjustment brushes for portrait retouching. (If I tried in that in old Lr it would kill the performance and wasn't practical.) I can avoid edits in Ps for more things. The feature advances most visible to me are things like: Profiles (including LUTs). Profiles are a complete reworking of the colour correction and handling. Radial gradients. Texture slider, which is a refinement of (addition to) the Clarity slider (like "structure" in Nik). Increase texture for grit, or soften it for portraits (skin). The dehaze slider is magic. I use it in negative to add mist to some shots. Transform has a Full button which is sometimes astounding to use. Will straighten a shot subtly and Just Fix It. Plenty of other stuff too, but these are many of the highlights for me. On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 10:23 PM Larry Colen wrote: > > > > On Apr 1, 2020, at 12:51 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: > > > > > > > > Once I got over my snit with the subscription concept, I'm very happy > > with the CC package. Recent features in Ps and Lr are the bees knees > > and save me huge amounts of work, especially things like cloning out > > random distracting objects. I'm also really digging LUTs for colour > > grading in both Lr and Ps. (You can make a fancy LUT in Ps then import > > it into Lr and avoid sending shots out to Ps purely to tone them if > > you have a batch to do. It's a bit involved, but worth the effort in > > many cases.) > > > > HTH, Bill. > > What are the advances to lightroom? > > > -- > Larry Colen > l...@red4est.com > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I finally had to go to the $10 cloud version so I could upgrade OSX for some other apps. I love the latest version of PS. Selecting and cloning tools are much improved over PS6. It’s just as fast and convenient as installed software. Paul > On Apr 1, 2020, at 10:18 PM, Bill wrote: > > Thanks Bruce, that is exactly the information I was looking for. > > bill > >> On 4/1/2020 1:51 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: >> Bill queried: >>> >>> My stupid question is this: Are the versions of Photoshop and Lightroom >>> in the 10 dollar offer the same ones in the 31 dollar offer? >> The software is completely the same. The features and frequency of >> updates are also the same. >> I subscribe to the ten buck option because (a) I'm cheap, and (b) I >> don't need any off-site space. Most of the other odds and ends in the >> "Photoshop" plan is in the $10 one too, like Portfolio (I don't use >> it), and Fonts (I should be using it). >> The Creative Cloud application controls what is installed or not, and >> lets you downgrade to prior versions if something fucks up. (I am >> currently running one Ps version behind because they broke some >> crucial plugins with the latest.) >> Once I got over my snit with the subscription concept, I'm very happy >> with the CC package. Recent features in Ps and Lr are the bees knees >> and save me huge amounts of work, especially things like cloning out >> random distracting objects. I'm also really digging LUTs for colour >> grading in both Lr and Ps. (You can make a fancy LUT in Ps then import >> it into Lr and avoid sending shots out to Ps purely to tone them if >> you have a batch to do. It's a bit involved, but worth the effort in >> many cases.) >> HTH, Bill. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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What about data costs if you are operating in cloud? Alan C On 02-Apr-20 05:34 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: LR Classic has several additional additional Develop module niceties, like the haze filter. G On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:23 PM, Larry Colen wrote: What are the advances to lightroom? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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LR Classic has several additional additional Develop module niceties, like the haze filter. G > On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:23 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > What are the advances to lightroom? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On Apr 1, 2020, at 12:51 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: > > > > Once I got over my snit with the subscription concept, I'm very happy > with the CC package. Recent features in Ps and Lr are the bees knees > and save me huge amounts of work, especially things like cloning out > random distracting objects. I'm also really digging LUTs for colour > grading in both Lr and Ps. (You can make a fancy LUT in Ps then import > it into Lr and avoid sending shots out to Ps purely to tone them if > you have a batch to do. It's a bit involved, but worth the effort in > many cases.) > > HTH, Bill. What are the advances to lightroom? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks Bruce, that is exactly the information I was looking for. bill On 4/1/2020 1:51 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: Bill queried: My stupid question is this: Are the versions of Photoshop and Lightroom in the 10 dollar offer the same ones in the 31 dollar offer? The software is completely the same. The features and frequency of updates are also the same. I subscribe to the ten buck option because (a) I'm cheap, and (b) I don't need any off-site space. Most of the other odds and ends in the "Photoshop" plan is in the $10 one too, like Portfolio (I don't use it), and Fonts (I should be using it). The Creative Cloud application controls what is installed or not, and lets you downgrade to prior versions if something fucks up. (I am currently running one Ps version behind because they broke some crucial plugins with the latest.) Once I got over my snit with the subscription concept, I'm very happy with the CC package. Recent features in Ps and Lr are the bees knees and save me huge amounts of work, especially things like cloning out random distracting objects. I'm also really digging LUTs for colour grading in both Lr and Ps. (You can make a fancy LUT in Ps then import it into Lr and avoid sending shots out to Ps purely to tone them if you have a batch to do. It's a bit involved, but worth the effort in many cases.) HTH, Bill. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bill queried: > > My stupid question is this: Are the versions of Photoshop and Lightroom > in the 10 dollar offer the same ones in the 31 dollar offer? The software is completely the same. The features and frequency of updates are also the same. I subscribe to the ten buck option because (a) I'm cheap, and (b) I don't need any off-site space. Most of the other odds and ends in the "Photoshop" plan is in the $10 one too, like Portfolio (I don't use it), and Fonts (I should be using it). The Creative Cloud application controls what is installed or not, and lets you downgrade to prior versions if something fucks up. (I am currently running one Ps version behind because they broke some crucial plugins with the latest.) Once I got over my snit with the subscription concept, I'm very happy with the CC package. Recent features in Ps and Lr are the bees knees and save me huge amounts of work, especially things like cloning out random distracting objects. I'm also really digging LUTs for colour grading in both Lr and Ps. (You can make a fancy LUT in Ps then import it into Lr and avoid sending shots out to Ps purely to tone them if you have a batch to do. It's a bit involved, but worth the effort in many cases.) HTH, Bill. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The 1Tb includes lightroom and lightroom classic. You probably only need lightroom classic and photoshop. The combo should be lightroom classic and photoshop. That's what I have. On Sat, 28 Mar 2020 at 21:27, Bill wrote: > Hi, I am toying with the idea of subscribing to Photoshop/Lightroom. > The website lists two options: > > "Photography", which includes Photoshop and Lightroom for US$9.99/month > > or > > Photoshop for US$20.99 and then Lightroom plan for US$9.99. > This Lightroom comes with 1T of online storage, something I would > probably never use and the Photoshop comes with some storage and Adobe > Fresco, Adobe Portfolio, Adobe Fonts, and Adobe Spark, as well as Access > to the latest features and updates as soon as they’re released > > Had I been smart and bought the extended version of the Photoshop I am > using, I wouldn't really be looking to upgrade anything, but I've run > into a couple of irritants in Lightroom, and there are some Photoshop > features I would like to have that I don't because I'm a cheap bastard > when I shouldn't be. > > My stupid question is this: Are the versions of Photoshop and Lightroom > in the 10 dollar offer the same ones in the 31 dollar offer? > > > Thanks > > bill > > Stay healthy. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Stupid Adobe Question
Hi, I am toying with the idea of subscribing to Photoshop/Lightroom. The website lists two options: "Photography", which includes Photoshop and Lightroom for US$9.99/month or Photoshop for US$20.99 and then Lightroom plan for US$9.99. This Lightroom comes with 1T of online storage, something I would probably never use and the Photoshop comes with some storage and Adobe Fresco, Adobe Portfolio, Adobe Fonts, and Adobe Spark, as well as Access to the latest features and updates as soon as they’re released Had I been smart and bought the extended version of the Photoshop I am using, I wouldn't really be looking to upgrade anything, but I've run into a couple of irritants in Lightroom, and there are some Photoshop features I would like to have that I don't because I'm a cheap bastard when I shouldn't be. My stupid question is this: Are the versions of Photoshop and Lightroom in the 10 dollar offer the same ones in the 31 dollar offer? Thanks bill Stay healthy. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
