Re: Totally OT: Who'd have thought it? (bike related)
On Apr 27, 2011, at 11:22 AM, Larry Colen wrote: I much prefer biking to running for the aforementioned reasons. The current thinking is to use minimal shoes, like the vibram 5-finger shoes because that trains you to not pound so hard on your heels, and reduces injury to the rest of your leg. I'm starting to think about shoes like that, more for the lower heels that make you land further forward on the foot. Mainly because one of my heels has been sore lately and running down a 10% gradient on tarseal will not be helping. I've just entered another half marathon, a repeat of one I did last year. I'm hoping for wind, rain, hail and snow this time :) Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Totally OT: Who'd have thought it? (bike related)
That's because you're numb... :-) Ciao, Pete Mac in Melbourne Sent from my iPad 2 On 27/04/2011, at 11:54, Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote: The discomfort goes away after 500-600 miles of riding. stan On Apr 26, 2011, at 7:19 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: I just can't cycle. I have never found a seat I find even remotely comfortable. I have a hard enough time finding a comfy seat for the motorcycle. On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: I wouldn't give up jogging because I too find that it knackers me more. It's also high impact, which is good for bone strength. And bad for knees. I ran for many years using the most cushioned shoes I could find the 'softest' surface I could find - definitely not concrete - yet I still wound up with knee pains so bad I had to give up running altogether and eventually have both knees replaced, admittedly I don't have the ideal runners physique. Biking is a very good exercise but not as 'efficient' as running because of the mechanical advantage among other things. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Bob W p...@web-options.com Subject: RE: Totally OT: Who'd have thought it? (bike related) From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Drew [...] Well... kind of I took up jogging as my primary method of (attempting) keep fit. I find I can get far more knackered, far more quickly on foot :-) and with two kids demanding attention time is at a premium, also jogging is no fun so the kids don't want to come out with me. When they come cycling I cannot go fast enough to get a decent workout!.. Do both. If you can find a circuit that takes about as long to cycle as the time you normally spend jogging, then you should be able to get a reasonable workout. My jogging routine takes about 35 minutes normally, which is also the time it takes me to cycle to work (and the same back again). So by cycle-commuting I have added over 6 hours extra exercise to my week - I do some extra miles on a Thursday - and reduced my expenditure on public transport by about £50/week - which I have added to my pension plan. There's no downside. I wouldn't give up jogging because I too find that it knackers me more. It's also high impact, which is good for bone strength. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Totally OT: Who'd have thought it? (bike related)
I just can't cycle. I have never found a seat I find even remotely comfortable. I have a hard enough time finding a comfy seat for the motorcycle. On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: I wouldn't give up jogging because I too find that it knackers me more. It's also high impact, which is good for bone strength. And bad for knees. I ran for many years using the most cushioned shoes I could find the 'softest' surface I could find - definitely not concrete - yet I still wound up with knee pains so bad I had to give up running altogether and eventually have both knees replaced, admittedly I don't have the ideal runners physique. Biking is a very good exercise but not as 'efficient' as running because of the mechanical advantage among other things. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Bob W p...@web-options.com Subject: RE: Totally OT: Who'd have thought it? (bike related) From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Drew [...] Well... kind of I took up jogging as my primary method of (attempting) keep fit. I find I can get far more knackered, far more quickly on foot :-) and with two kids demanding attention time is at a premium, also jogging is no fun so the kids don't want to come out with me. When they come cycling I cannot go fast enough to get a decent workout!.. Do both. If you can find a circuit that takes about as long to cycle as the time you normally spend jogging, then you should be able to get a reasonable workout. My jogging routine takes about 35 minutes normally, which is also the time it takes me to cycle to work (and the same back again). So by cycle-commuting I have added over 6 hours extra exercise to my week - I do some extra miles on a Thursday - and reduced my expenditure on public transport by about £50/week - which I have added to my pension plan. There's no downside. I wouldn't give up jogging because I too find that it knackers me more. It's also high impact, which is good for bone strength. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Totally OT: Who'd have thought it? (bike related)
On Apr 25, 2011, at 10:38 AM, Ken Waller wrote: I wouldn't give up jogging because I too find that it knackers me more. It's also high impact, which is good for bone strength. And bad for knees. I ran for many years using the most cushioned shoes I could find the 'softest' surface I could find - definitely not concrete - yet I still wound up with knee pains so bad I had to give up running altogether and eventually have both knees replaced, admittedly I don't have the ideal runners physique. Biking is a very good exercise but not as 'efficient' as running because of the mechanical advantage among other things. I much prefer biking to running for the aforementioned reasons. The current thinking is to use minimal shoes, like the vibram 5-finger shoes because that trains you to not pound so hard on your heels, and reduces injury to the rest of your leg. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Totally OT: Who'd have thought it? (bike related)
The problem I have is that general wisdom on exercise changes every five years. I try to run 3-4 times a week for about 5k distances. I use the other 4-3 days for weights. I have little doubt that biking is better on the joints, but I just hate it too much to do it regularly. In the winter I use the elliptical machine because I also don't like running in the cold. It takes some pounding off the legs as well. I figure my diet is a far greater challenge to me than my exercise program. On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Apr 25, 2011, at 10:38 AM, Ken Waller wrote: I wouldn't give up jogging because I too find that it knackers me more. It's also high impact, which is good for bone strength. And bad for knees. I ran for many years using the most cushioned shoes I could find the 'softest' surface I could find - definitely not concrete - yet I still wound up with knee pains so bad I had to give up running altogether and eventually have both knees replaced, admittedly I don't have the ideal runners physique. Biking is a very good exercise but not as 'efficient' as running because of the mechanical advantage among other things. I much prefer biking to running for the aforementioned reasons. The current thinking is to use minimal shoes, like the vibram 5-finger shoes because that trains you to not pound so hard on your heels, and reduces injury to the rest of your leg. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Totally OT: Who'd have thought it? (bike related)
Steven Desjardins wrote: The problem I have is that general wisdom on exercise changes every five years. I try to run 3-4 times a week for about 5k distances. I use the other 4-3 days for weights. I have little doubt that biking is better on the joints Nope, that's an old wives' tale. The Arthritis Foundation and others have done numerous long-term studies on runners and found absolutely no connection between knee (or any other joint) problems and running. My father never ran at all for sport or fitness and his knees were shot by the time he was 50. I'm approaching that age with fine knees even after 14 marathons and more shorter races than I can count. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Totally OT: Who'd have thought it? (bike related)
See what I mean about conventional thinking. Trainers have been telling me this for years. I'm still not running in the cold, however ;-) -Original Message- From: Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com Sender: pdml-boun...@pdml.net Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:08:06 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Totally OT: Who'd have thought it? (bike related) Steven Desjardins wrote: The problem I have is that general wisdom on exercise changes every five years. I try to run 3-4 times a week for about 5k distances. I use the other 4-3 days for weights. I have little doubt that biking is better on the joints Nope, that's an old wives' tale. The Arthritis Foundation and others have done numerous long-term studies on runners and found absolutely no connection between knee (or any other joint) problems and running. My father never ran at all for sport or fitness and his knees were shot by the time he was 50. I'm approaching that age with fine knees even after 14 marathons and more shorter races than I can count. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Totally OT: Who'd have thought it? (bike related)
The discomfort goes away after 500-600 miles of riding. stan On Apr 26, 2011, at 7:19 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: I just can't cycle. I have never found a seat I find even remotely comfortable. I have a hard enough time finding a comfy seat for the motorcycle. On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: I wouldn't give up jogging because I too find that it knackers me more. It's also high impact, which is good for bone strength. And bad for knees. I ran for many years using the most cushioned shoes I could find the 'softest' surface I could find - definitely not concrete - yet I still wound up with knee pains so bad I had to give up running altogether and eventually have both knees replaced, admittedly I don't have the ideal runners physique. Biking is a very good exercise but not as 'efficient' as running because of the mechanical advantage among other things. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Bob W p...@web-options.com Subject: RE: Totally OT: Who'd have thought it? (bike related) From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Drew [...] Well... kind of I took up jogging as my primary method of (attempting) keep fit. I find I can get far more knackered, far more quickly on foot :-) and with two kids demanding attention time is at a premium, also jogging is no fun so the kids don't want to come out with me. When they come cycling I cannot go fast enough to get a decent workout!.. Do both. If you can find a circuit that takes about as long to cycle as the time you normally spend jogging, then you should be able to get a reasonable workout. My jogging routine takes about 35 minutes normally, which is also the time it takes me to cycle to work (and the same back again). So by cycle-commuting I have added over 6 hours extra exercise to my week - I do some extra miles on a Thursday - and reduced my expenditure on public transport by about £50/week - which I have added to my pension plan. There's no downside. I wouldn't give up jogging because I too find that it knackers me more. It's also high impact, which is good for bone strength. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Totally OT: Who'd have thought it? (bike related)
On Apr 25, 2011, at 6:05 AM, Drew wrote: TBH I will probably just stick to my old wheels for now, I pretty much only do a little light cruising with my kids these days (I took up jogging instead) maybe I'll get some new rims built on the good hubs.. By instead I assume you really mean as well :D Cheers, Dave (and his glass of wine) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Totally OT: Who'd have thought it? (bike related)
On 25/04/11 09:26, David Mann wrote: On Apr 25, 2011, at 6:05 AM, Drew wrote: TBH I will probably just stick to my old wheels for now, I pretty much only do a little light cruising with my kids these days (I took up jogging instead) maybe I'll get some new rims built on the good hubs.. By instead I assume you really mean as well :D Cheers, Dave (and his glass of wine) Well... kind of I took up jogging as my primary method of (attempting) keep fit. I find I can get far more knackered, far more quickly on foot :-) and with two kids demanding attention time is at a premium, also jogging is no fun so the kids don't want to come out with me. When they come cycling I cannot go fast enough to get a decent workout!.. Cheers, Drew. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Totally OT: Who'd have thought it? (bike related)
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Drew [...] Well... kind of I took up jogging as my primary method of (attempting) keep fit. I find I can get far more knackered, far more quickly on foot :-) and with two kids demanding attention time is at a premium, also jogging is no fun so the kids don't want to come out with me. When they come cycling I cannot go fast enough to get a decent workout!.. Do both. If you can find a circuit that takes about as long to cycle as the time you normally spend jogging, then you should be able to get a reasonable workout. My jogging routine takes about 35 minutes normally, which is also the time it takes me to cycle to work (and the same back again). So by cycle-commuting I have added over 6 hours extra exercise to my week - I do some extra miles on a Thursday - and reduced my expenditure on public transport by about £50/week - which I have added to my pension plan. There's no downside. I wouldn't give up jogging because I too find that it knackers me more. It's also high impact, which is good for bone strength. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Totally OT: Who'd have thought it? (bike related)
I wouldn't give up jogging because I too find that it knackers me more. It's also high impact, which is good for bone strength. And bad for knees. I ran for many years using the most cushioned shoes I could find the 'softest' surface I could find - definitely not concrete - yet I still wound up with knee pains so bad I had to give up running altogether and eventually have both knees replaced, admittedly I don't have the ideal runners physique. Biking is a very good exercise but not as 'efficient' as running because of the mechanical advantage among other things. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Bob W p...@web-options.com Subject: RE: Totally OT: Who'd have thought it? (bike related) From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Drew [...] Well... kind of I took up jogging as my primary method of (attempting) keep fit. I find I can get far more knackered, far more quickly on foot :-) and with two kids demanding attention time is at a premium, also jogging is no fun so the kids don't want to come out with me. When they come cycling I cannot go fast enough to get a decent workout!.. Do both. If you can find a circuit that takes about as long to cycle as the time you normally spend jogging, then you should be able to get a reasonable workout. My jogging routine takes about 35 minutes normally, which is also the time it takes me to cycle to work (and the same back again). So by cycle-commuting I have added over 6 hours extra exercise to my week - I do some extra miles on a Thursday - and reduced my expenditure on public transport by about £50/week - which I have added to my pension plan. There's no downside. I wouldn't give up jogging because I too find that it knackers me more. It's also high impact, which is good for bone strength. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Totally OT: Who'd have thought it? (bike related)
On 24/04/2011, at 15:57, David Mann d...@multisport.net.nz wrote: On Apr 24, 2011, at 4:54 AM, Drew wrote: At home I attacked them with a bucket of soapy water and very pretty they look too. Except as I was cleaning them I though to myself 'blimey these don't feel as light as I expected' Out with the kitchen scales; yes they are exactly 100g HEAVIER than the 'no-brand' STEEL wheels originally fitted to my Peugeot back in the mid '80's. So much for progress!! If they're built for time-trial or track use that's entirely possible. In those cases the aero advantage greatly outweighs the ability to accelerate and climb. The wheels on my road bike are middle-of-the-range and weigh about 1,550 grams. Zipp 808's are hellishly expensive and weigh 200g more. But I know which I'd rather have in a TT :) Cheers, Dave PS post a photo! Agreed - photo please! Ciao, Pete Mac (cycling gear addict) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Totally OT: Who'd have thought it? (bike related)
On 24/04/11 10:21, Pete McIntosh wrote: On 24/04/2011, at 15:57, David Mannd...@multisport.net.nz wrote: On Apr 24, 2011, at 4:54 AM, Drew wrote: At home I attacked them with a bucket of soapy water and very pretty they look too. Except as I was cleaning them I though to myself 'blimey these don't feel as light as I expected' Out with the kitchen scales; yes they are exactly 100g HEAVIER than the 'no-brand' STEEL wheels originally fitted to my Peugeot back in the mid '80's. So much for progress!! If they're built for time-trial or track use that's entirely possible. In those cases the aero advantage greatly outweighs the ability to accelerate and climb. The wheels on my road bike are middle-of-the-range and weigh about 1,550 grams. Zipp 808's are hellishly expensive and weigh 200g more. But I know which I'd rather have in a TT :) Cheers, Dave PS post a photo! Agreed - photo please! Ciao, Pete Mac (cycling gear addict) Here's a quick snap... https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/x_1gcLaeeb2t7stqOQOvNpYbvVZjbKqgp_lbMQLpny8?feat=email I'm note sure what sort of bike they were supplied with but the guy that gave them to me does quite a few miles with a club... TBH I will probably just stick to my old wheels for now, I pretty much only do a little light cruising with my kids these days (I took up jogging instead) maybe I'll get some new rims built on the good hubs.. Thanks for your thoughts all... Drew. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Totally OT: Who'd have thought it? (bike related)
Greets... A friend of mine just did a bike rebuild and gave me his previous set of 'Aero' style wheels... they have Shimano Dura ace hubs, a Shimano block and these fancy looking aero style rims. Very nice I thought as I put them in the car. At home I attacked them with a bucket of soapy water and very pretty they look too. Except as I was cleaning them I though to myself 'blimey these don't feel as light as I expected' Out with the kitchen scales; yes they are exactly 100g HEAVIER than the 'no-brand' STEEL wheels originally fitted to my Peugeot back in the mid '80's. So much for progress!! So should I use the set of 90's Ambrosio rims on Shimano 105 hubs I had built years ago put on these trick looking but heavy modern things? Drew, -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Totally OT: Who'd have thought it? (bike related)
nothing like low rotational weight! I'm a pretty heavy guy so I have Mavic EX 721 downhill rims on my daily rider and I can tell you there is a world of difference even there between my old setup of Ritchey Speedmax 26x2 tires and standard butyl tubes (approx. 2 lbs. of rubber per wheel), especially my winter setup of Schwalbe Fat Albert 2.35s (3 lbs. with the same tubes) and my new Schwalbe Kojak 26x2 tyres with ultralight tubes (just under a pound of rotational rubber weight per wheel) - the bike is so much more nimble and happy to accelerate now... I love it... so my advice is to forget about the aero bit or offset it with the lightest rubber you can get your hands on! cheers ecke 2011/4/23 Drew d...@rileyelf.free-online.co.uk: Greets... A friend of mine just did a bike rebuild and gave me his previous set of 'Aero' style wheels... they have Shimano Dura ace hubs, a Shimano block and these fancy looking aero style rims. Very nice I thought as I put them in the car. At home I attacked them with a bucket of soapy water and very pretty they look too. Except as I was cleaning them I though to myself 'blimey these don't feel as light as I expected' Out with the kitchen scales; yes they are exactly 100g HEAVIER than the 'no-brand' STEEL wheels originally fitted to my Peugeot back in the mid '80's. So much for progress!! So should I use the set of 90's Ambrosio rims on Shimano 105 hubs I had built years ago put on these trick looking but heavy modern things? Drew, -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Totally OT: Who'd have thought it? (bike related)
On Apr 24, 2011, at 4:54 AM, Drew wrote: At home I attacked them with a bucket of soapy water and very pretty they look too. Except as I was cleaning them I though to myself 'blimey these don't feel as light as I expected' Out with the kitchen scales; yes they are exactly 100g HEAVIER than the 'no-brand' STEEL wheels originally fitted to my Peugeot back in the mid '80's. So much for progress!! If they're built for time-trial or track use that's entirely possible. In those cases the aero advantage greatly outweighs the ability to accelerate and climb. The wheels on my road bike are middle-of-the-range and weigh about 1,550 grams. Zipp 808's are hellishly expensive and weigh 200g more. But I know which I'd rather have in a TT :) Cheers, Dave PS post a photo! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
