Re: Vacation suggestion

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 21.04.23 um 03:11 schrieb Stan Halpin:


In short, unless you are shooting for stock photos and don’t want to have your 
images lost in the crowd, just shoot what pleases you. And then step aside 
because 27 others want to capture that same view, and that’s ok.


...and he might want to stay away from the deepest tripod marks.

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Re: Vacation suggestion

[mike wilson]

> On 21/04/2023 00:00 Bill  wrote:
> 
>  
> Jackson, just south of Yellowstone is a charming little town (or it was
> when I visited). If you don't want to shoot what other tourists have done
> stay away from the geyser fields. I also found that if one was willing to
> hike a few hundred yards from the parking lot, most of the crowds had
> thinned out, so a short hike should take you to a place where few men had
> gone before.
> When we were staying at Jenny Lake we went into Jackson to do laundry. I
> was sitting on a bench outside the laundromat reading a book when the
> absolutely most dangerous man I've ever not wanted to have anything to do
> with pulled up beside me on the rattiest Harley in the world.
> As he went past me, I noted that he had what appeared to be one of the
> largest pistols I have ever seen in a holster on his left hip. I believe it
> was a 44 Magnum, but I could be wrong. He was big and rough and tough and
> looked ready to snap the neck of anyone who crossed him.
> He went into the laundromat where his partner was doing their laundry. I
> stayed outside, but my wife found the interaction between said biker and
> his missus to be very amusing. She was a very tiny woman, about a third his
> size. Apparently he was clueless about all things laundry and she was very
> vocal regarding this fact. He took the whole thing in stride about the same
> way a puppy who just shat on the floor would take the scolding he was being
> given.
> 
> I wish I had been there to see it, but at the same time, probably best that
> I wasn't.
> 
> bill

From my experience with HD riders, he was probably a dentist on vacation.

> 
> On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 7:59 AM  wrote:
> 
> > In Sept we’re going to Yellowstone for 1 week followed by the Grand Canyon
> > for another week.
> >
> > At least with digital I don’t have to worry about running out of film.
> > (Just battery life.) Except for the 6x7. At 10 shots per roll one must be
> > judicious.
> >
> > So the question is: What should I shoot? Not just the same things that a
> > million other tourists have shot, that’s for certain.
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Re: Vacation suggestion

[ann sanfedele]

glad someone finally said this.

ann

On 4/20/2023 9:11 PM, Stan Halpin wrote:

You say “not the same thing…”. Why not?  Just for discussion…

I sat through an on-line workshop yesterday afternoon, Tim Grey on How to Plan 
for a Trip. His base example was Rome, whether talking about useful weather 
apps or packing tips or day-by-day route planning. But where/what to 
photograph? One approach he suggested was to start with google images. He found 
about 1.5 million images (Google or Twitter, I lost track) which pretty well 
summed up places and viewpoints in that city.

I was reminded of a few years ago, in Venice, with Gianfranco. He chided me for 
the photo I was setting up for, an evening shot of the Grand Canal, gondolas in 
the foreground, the bends in the canal, Sun on the buildings in the distance. 
Too cliche, too much like a postcard? Yes, he had a point. But. No one else had 
ever seen that scene nor would anyone ever seen that scene again. Similar, 
sure. But my image was uniquely what I was seeing at that point in time. And if 
others had had a similar experience, good on them. But I was pleased to see 
what I saw and to be able to capture it.
Yes, we explored and found different viewpoints and different scenes, but their 
uniqueness didn’t make them better or worse. One fun experience:  Meg was 
starting to take a photo of a women on a third floor balcony, hanging her 
laundry. The lady objected. We backed off, didn’t point cameras at her. But we 
did start taking pictures of her reflection in a nearby puddle! Once we started 
away, it was fun to see how many people stopped to look into that puddle, 
trying to see why we had been so intently studying it.

In short, unless you are shooting for stock photos and don’t want to have your 
images lost in the crowd, just shoot what pleases you. And then step aside 
because 27 others want to capture that same view, and that’s ok.

Stan

Sent from my iPad


On Apr 19, 2023, at 9:59 AM, coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote:

In Sept we’re going to Yellowstone for 1 week followed by the Grand Canyon for 
another week.

At least with digital I don’t have to worry about running out of film. (Just 
battery life.) Except for the 6x7. At 10 shots per roll one must be judicious.

So the question is: What should I shoot? Not just the same things that a 
million other tourists have shot, that’s for certain.
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Re: Vacation suggestion

[Stan Halpin]

You say “not the same thing…”. Why not?  Just for discussion…

I sat through an on-line workshop yesterday afternoon, Tim Grey on How to Plan 
for a Trip. His base example was Rome, whether talking about useful weather 
apps or packing tips or day-by-day route planning. But where/what to 
photograph? One approach he suggested was to start with google images. He found 
about 1.5 million images (Google or Twitter, I lost track) which pretty well 
summed up places and viewpoints in that city. 

I was reminded of a few years ago, in Venice, with Gianfranco. He chided me for 
the photo I was setting up for, an evening shot of the Grand Canal, gondolas in 
the foreground, the bends in the canal, Sun on the buildings in the distance. 
Too cliche, too much like a postcard? Yes, he had a point. But. No one else had 
ever seen that scene nor would anyone ever seen that scene again. Similar, 
sure. But my image was uniquely what I was seeing at that point in time. And if 
others had had a similar experience, good on them. But I was pleased to see 
what I saw and to be able to capture it. 
Yes, we explored and found different viewpoints and different scenes, but their 
uniqueness didn’t make them better or worse. One fun experience:  Meg was 
starting to take a photo of a women on a third floor balcony, hanging her 
laundry. The lady objected. We backed off, didn’t point cameras at her. But we 
did start taking pictures of her reflection in a nearby puddle! Once we started 
away, it was fun to see how many people stopped to look into that puddle, 
trying to see why we had been so intently studying it. 

In short, unless you are shooting for stock photos and don’t want to have your 
images lost in the crowd, just shoot what pleases you. And then step aside 
because 27 others want to capture that same view, and that’s ok.

Stan

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 19, 2023, at 9:59 AM, coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote:
> 
> In Sept we’re going to Yellowstone for 1 week followed by the Grand Canyon 
> for another week.
> 
> At least with digital I don’t have to worry about running out of film. (Just 
> battery life.) Except for the 6x7. At 10 shots per roll one must be judicious.
> 
> So the question is: What should I shoot? Not just the same things that a 
> million other tourists have shot, that’s for certain.
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Re: Vacation suggestion

[Bill]

Jackson, just south of Yellowstone is a charming little town (or it was
when I visited). If you don't want to shoot what other tourists have done
stay away from the geyser fields. I also found that if one was willing to
hike a few hundred yards from the parking lot, most of the crowds had
thinned out, so a short hike should take you to a place where few men had
gone before.
When we were staying at Jenny Lake we went into Jackson to do laundry. I
was sitting on a bench outside the laundromat reading a book when the
absolutely most dangerous man I've ever not wanted to have anything to do
with pulled up beside me on the rattiest Harley in the world.
As he went past me, I noted that he had what appeared to be one of the
largest pistols I have ever seen in a holster on his left hip. I believe it
was a 44 Magnum, but I could be wrong. He was big and rough and tough and
looked ready to snap the neck of anyone who crossed him.
He went into the laundromat where his partner was doing their laundry. I
stayed outside, but my wife found the interaction between said biker and
his missus to be very amusing. She was a very tiny woman, about a third his
size. Apparently he was clueless about all things laundry and she was very
vocal regarding this fact. He took the whole thing in stride about the same
way a puppy who just shat on the floor would take the scolding he was being
given.

I wish I had been there to see it, but at the same time, probably best that
I wasn't.

bill

On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 7:59 AM  wrote:

> In Sept we’re going to Yellowstone for 1 week followed by the Grand Canyon
> for another week.
>
> At least with digital I don’t have to worry about running out of film.
> (Just battery life.) Except for the 6x7. At 10 shots per roll one must be
> judicious.
>
> So the question is: What should I shoot? Not just the same things that a
> million other tourists have shot, that’s for certain.
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Re: Vacation suggestion

[Bob W PDML]

Yes. I remember seeing it in NG when it was first published and being amazed by 
how good McCurry is. It’s become a cliche in itself now, as you can find all 
sorts of variants of it now as tourists clearly go to that spot to reproduce it.

Another way of treating the well-known subjects is to emulate the Japanese 
woodblock printers of the Ukiyo-e style, who published collections of different 
views of the same subject, such as Hokusai’s 37 Views of Mount Fuji. You can 
see examples online. I have a beautiful book first published in the early 20th 
century called Les Trente-Six Vues de la Tour Eiffel by Henri Rivière who 
produced a collection of lithographs in the manner of Japanese woodblock 
prints, but with a distinctly art nouveau style.

You don’t have to go to Canada, Alaska or even Mars to do this sort of thing. 
You could do it in your home town - 12 Views of the local Taco Bell - or even 
at home - 36 views of my wife’s big toe. Or 10 Frames of Old Faithful.


> On 20 Apr 2023, at 19:32, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> That is an astonishing image.
> 
> Dan Matyola
> *https://tinyurl.com/DJM-Pentax-Gallery
> *
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 2:11 PM Bob W PDML  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> 
 On 19 Apr 2023, at 18:56, mike wilson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 On 19/04/2023 14:59 coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote:
 In Sept we’re going to Yellowstone for 1 week followed by the Grand
>> Canyon for another week.
 At least with digital I don’t have to worry about running out of film.
>> (Just battery life.) Except for the 6x7. At 10 shots per roll one must be
>> judicious.
 So the question is: What should I shoot? Not just the same things that
>> a million other tourists have shot, that’s for certain.
>>> 
>>> Nude selfies.
>>> --
>> 
>> Oh dear, I hope it doesn’t come to that.
>> 
>> I remember reading something about a million years ago by one of the
>> Magnum or Nat Geo photographers who described what they did when they were
>> photographing a place that’s been done to death already. He would buy a
>> load of postcards which showed the classic views, and spend a day or two
>> going to those places, photographing them, and getting them behind him, out
>> of the way. Then he could start looking at what’s in between them, that the
>> tourists etc don’t look at.
>> 
>> You can also make an effort to look at the stale subjects with a different
>> eye. My favourite example of this is a photo of the Taj Mahal by Steve
>> McCurry, to which I provide a broken link in an attempt to stop the server
>> from blocking this email:
>> 
>> htt   ps://
>> static.nationalgeographic.co.uk/files/styles/image_3200/public/21246.webp?w=430=323=100
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Re: Vacation suggestion

[Daniel J. Matyola]

That is an astonishing image.

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On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 2:11 PM Bob W PDML  wrote:

>
> >
> > On 19 Apr 2023, at 18:56, mike wilson  wrote:
> >
> > 
> >> On 19/04/2023 14:59 coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote:
> >> In Sept we’re going to Yellowstone for 1 week followed by the Grand
> Canyon for another week.
> >> At least with digital I don’t have to worry about running out of film.
> (Just battery life.) Except for the 6x7. At 10 shots per roll one must be
> judicious.
> >> So the question is: What should I shoot? Not just the same things that
> a million other tourists have shot, that’s for certain.
> >
> > Nude selfies.
> > --
>
> Oh dear, I hope it doesn’t come to that.
>
> I remember reading something about a million years ago by one of the
> Magnum or Nat Geo photographers who described what they did when they were
> photographing a place that’s been done to death already. He would buy a
> load of postcards which showed the classic views, and spend a day or two
> going to those places, photographing them, and getting them behind him, out
> of the way. Then he could start looking at what’s in between them, that the
> tourists etc don’t look at.
>
> You can also make an effort to look at the stale subjects with a different
> eye. My favourite example of this is a photo of the Taj Mahal by Steve
> McCurry, to which I provide a broken link in an attempt to stop the server
> from blocking this email:
>
> htt   ps://
> static.nationalgeographic.co.uk/files/styles/image_3200/public/21246.webp?w=430=323=100
>
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Re: Vacation suggestion

[Bob W PDML]


> 
> On 19 Apr 2023, at 18:56, mike wilson  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 19/04/2023 14:59 coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote:
>> In Sept we’re going to Yellowstone for 1 week followed by the Grand Canyon 
>> for another week.
>> At least with digital I don’t have to worry about running out of film. (Just 
>> battery life.) Except for the 6x7. At 10 shots per roll one must be 
>> judicious.
>> So the question is: What should I shoot? Not just the same things that a 
>> million other tourists have shot, that’s for certain.
> 
> Nude selfies.
> --

Oh dear, I hope it doesn’t come to that.

I remember reading something about a million years ago by one of the Magnum or 
Nat Geo photographers who described what they did when they were photographing 
a place that’s been done to death already. He would buy a load of postcards 
which showed the classic views, and spend a day or two going to those places, 
photographing them, and getting them behind him, out of the way. Then he could 
start looking at what’s in between them, that the tourists etc don’t look at.

You can also make an effort to look at the stale subjects with a different eye. 
My favourite example of this is a photo of the Taj Mahal by Steve McCurry, to 
which I provide a broken link in an attempt to stop the server from blocking 
this email:

htt   
ps://static.nationalgeographic.co.uk/files/styles/image_3200/public/21246.webp?w=430=323=100
 

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RE: Vacation suggestion

[jcoyle]

I have, and occasionally use with my non-metered cameras, a Gossen Lunasix 
light meter; selenium cell, so it doesn't need batteries, and can measure a 
quite range of lighting conditions in daylight. No bigger than a cell phone, so 
easy to carry in a pocket.
Don't know if it would be possible to buy one now, even second-hand would be 
rare, I think.

John in Brisbane



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> On Apr 19, 2023, at 8:15 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
>>> On Apr 19, 2023, at 7:40 AM, Mark Roberts  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ralf R Radermacher wrote:
>>> 
>>> Am 19.04.23 um 15:59 schrieb coll...@brendemuehl.net:
>>>> Except for the 6x7. At 10 shots per roll one must be judicious.
>>> 
>>> ...or take enough film.
>> 
>> When I was shooting with the 67 I would bring along a DSLT with a 
>> lens of the same approximate angle of view, set the ISO to that of 
>> the film I had in the 67 (or an even multiple) and test every shot 
>> with the DSLR before doing the capture with the 67. The ability to 
>> check exposure with the histogram and pre-view the composition is a 
>> great benefit. I ended up with nary a wasted frame.
> 
> I agree with this.  You also get a backup in case something goes wrong with 
> the film processing, color in case you are shooting black and white film.  
> 
> While I’m quite capable of exposing the film correctly, our brains just 
> naturally edit the real world to not “see” certain annoying things, where we 
> can see them on the preview display.

It is a technique that basically locks you into static subjects which can stand 
making multiple exposures over a minute or two as you swap equipment around, 
and also carries the cost of having to lug around yet another camera. Seems 
less than appealing to me. I usually carry the minimum of gear, and 
particularly when I'm carrying a largish and heavy camera to begin with. 

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Re: Vacation suggestion

[Comcast]

We did that back in the day. Swapping in a Polaroid back for the film holder of 
a field camera or Speed Graphic to take a test exposure.

Paul

> On Apr 19, 2023, at 7:00 PM, Stan Halpin  wrote:
> 
> Long ago (51 years ago or so) a colleague took a photo workshop in Yosemite- 
> senior instructor was Ansel Adams. A major insight he brought back was 
> Ansel’s advice to use Polaroid film to preview exposure and composition prior 
> to the 35mm or 6x6 exposure.
> Stan
> 
> 
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>> 
>> Ralf R Radermacher wrote:
>> 
> Am 19.04.23 um 15:59 schrieb coll...@brendemuehl.net:
> Except for the 6x7. At 10 shots per roll one must be judicious.
>>> 
>>> ...or take enough film.
>> 
>> When I was shooting with the 67 I would bring along a DSLT with a lens
>> of the same approximate angle of view, set the ISO to that of the film
>> I had in the 67 (or an even multiple) and test every shot with the
>> DSLR before doing the capture with the 67. The ability to check
>> exposure with the histogram and pre-view the composition is a great
>> benefit. I ended up with nary a wasted frame.
>> 
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>> 
>> 
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Re: Vacation suggestion

[Stan Halpin]

Long ago (51 years ago or so) a colleague took a photo workshop in Yosemite- 
senior instructor was Ansel Adams. A major insight he brought back was Ansel’s 
advice to use Polaroid film to preview exposure and composition prior to the 
35mm or 6x6 exposure.
Stan


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> On Apr 19, 2023, at 10:40 AM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> Ralf R Radermacher wrote:
> 
>>> Am 19.04.23 um 15:59 schrieb coll...@brendemuehl.net:
>>> Except for the 6x7. At 10 shots per roll one must be judicious.
>> 
>> ...or take enough film.
> 
> When I was shooting with the 67 I would bring along a DSLT with a lens
> of the same approximate angle of view, set the ISO to that of the film
> I had in the 67 (or an even multiple) and test every shot with the
> DSLR before doing the capture with the 67. The ability to check
> exposure with the histogram and pre-view the composition is a great
> benefit. I ended up with nary a wasted frame.
> 
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> 
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Re: Vacation suggestion

[John Sessoms]

Near the NORTH Rim of the Grand Canyon are the Vermilion Cliffs National 
Monument. Also the Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument.


On 4/19/2023 9:59 AM, coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote:

In Sept we’re going to Yellowstone for 1 week followed by the Grand Canyon for 
another week.

At least with digital I don’t have to worry about running out of film. (Just 
battery life.) Except for the 6x7. At 10 shots per roll one must be judicious.

So the question is: What should I shoot? Not just the same things that a 
million other tourists have shot, that’s for certain.
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Re: Vacation suggestion

[mike wilson]

> On 19/04/2023 14:59 coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote:
> 
>  
> In Sept we’re going to Yellowstone for 1 week followed by the Grand Canyon 
> for another week.
> 
> At least with digital I don’t have to worry about running out of film. (Just 
> battery life.) Except for the 6x7. At 10 shots per roll one must be judicious.
> 
> So the question is: What should I shoot? Not just the same things that a 
> million other tourists have shot, that’s for certain.

Nude selfies.
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Re: Vacation suggestion

[Paul Stenquist]

What Godders said. Back in the days when I was pumping iron five days a week I 
would hike into the Santa Monica mountains with the 6x7 and three lenses. Even 
then, I couldn’t imagine carrying more. Today at 75, my K-1 and one lens is all 
I can manage.
Paul

> On Apr 19, 2023, at 11:44 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> 
> It is a technique that basically locks you into static subjects which can 
> stand making multiple exposures over a minute or two as you swap equipment 
> around, and also carries the cost of having to lug around yet another camera. 
> Seems less than appealing to me. I usually carry the minimum of gear, and 
> particularly when I'm carrying a largish and heavy camera to begin with. 
> 
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Re: Vacation suggestion

[Mark Roberts]

Larry Colen wrote:

>
>
>> On Apr 19, 2023, at 7:40 AM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
>> 
>> Ralf R Radermacher wrote:
>> 
>>> Am 19.04.23 um 15:59 schrieb coll...@brendemuehl.net:
 Except for the 6x7. At 10 shots per roll one must be judicious.
>>> 
>>> ...or take enough film.
>> 
>> When I was shooting with the 67 I would bring along a DSLT with a lens
>> of the same approximate angle of view, set the ISO to that of the film
>> I had in the 67 (or an even multiple) and test every shot with the
>> DSLR before doing the capture with the 67. The ability to check
>> exposure with the histogram and pre-view the composition is a great
>> benefit. I ended up with nary a wasted frame.
>
>I agree with this.  You also get a backup in case something goes wrong with 
>the film processing

THIS!

I once had an entire trip's worth of film ruined when the lab had a
problem with the bleach fixer.

Another advantage is the difference in aspect ratio between 35mm and
6x7. You can get two different compositions.
 
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Re: Vacation suggestion

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

> On Apr 19, 2023, at 8:15 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
>>> On Apr 19, 2023, at 7:40 AM, Mark Roberts  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ralf R Radermacher wrote:
>>> 
>>> Am 19.04.23 um 15:59 schrieb coll...@brendemuehl.net:
 Except for the 6x7. At 10 shots per roll one must be judicious.
>>> 
>>> ...or take enough film.
>> 
>> When I was shooting with the 67 I would bring along a DSLT with a lens
>> of the same approximate angle of view, set the ISO to that of the film
>> I had in the 67 (or an even multiple) and test every shot with the
>> DSLR before doing the capture with the 67. The ability to check
>> exposure with the histogram and pre-view the composition is a great
>> benefit. I ended up with nary a wasted frame.
> 
> I agree with this.  You also get a backup in case something goes wrong with 
> the film processing, color in case you are shooting black and white film.  
> 
> While I’m quite capable of exposing the film correctly, our brains just 
> naturally edit the real world to not “see” certain annoying things, where we 
> can see them on the preview display.

It is a technique that basically locks you into static subjects which can stand 
making multiple exposures over a minute or two as you swap equipment around, 
and also carries the cost of having to lug around yet another camera. Seems 
less than appealing to me. I usually carry the minimum of gear, and 
particularly when I'm carrying a largish and heavy camera to begin with. 

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Re: Vacation suggestion

[Larry Colen]

> On Apr 19, 2023, at 7:40 AM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> Ralf R Radermacher wrote:
> 
>> Am 19.04.23 um 15:59 schrieb coll...@brendemuehl.net:
>>> Except for the 6x7. At 10 shots per roll one must be judicious.
>> 
>> ...or take enough film.
> 
> When I was shooting with the 67 I would bring along a DSLT with a lens
> of the same approximate angle of view, set the ISO to that of the film
> I had in the 67 (or an even multiple) and test every shot with the
> DSLR before doing the capture with the 67. The ability to check
> exposure with the histogram and pre-view the composition is a great
> benefit. I ended up with nary a wasted frame.

I agree with this.  You also get a backup in case something goes wrong with the 
film processing, color in case you are shooting black and white film.  

While I’m quite capable of exposing the film correctly, our brains just 
naturally edit the real world to not “see” certain annoying things, where we 
can see them on the preview display.



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Re: Vacation suggestion

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

> On Apr 19, 2023, at 7:40 AM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> Ralf R Radermacher wrote:
> 
>>> Am 19.04.23 um 15:59 schrieb coll...@brendemuehl.net:
>>> Except for the 6x7. At 10 shots per roll one must be judicious.
>> 
>> ...or take enough film.
> 
> When I was shooting with the 67 I would bring along a DSLT with a lens
> of the same approximate angle of view, set the ISO to that of the film
> I had in the 67 (or an even multiple) and test every shot with the
> DSLR before doing the capture with the 67. The ability to check
> exposure with the histogram and pre-view the composition is a great
> benefit. I ended up with nary a wasted frame.

... Or take enough time to expose properly. In an age before digital cameras 
and instant feedback on exposure, we had to understand the medium and learn how 
to use it without the benefit of such conveniences. :)

I have to do this today with the Polaroid cameras because I only get 8 
exposures per pack (at $2+ per exposure). And since the finished product is 
what comes out of the camera, I don't have the luxury or convenience of post 
processing it if I mess up. 

It's a wonderful discipline to learn both good exposure and proper framing. It 
saves a lot of wasted time in the post-capture department. 

G
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Re: Vacation suggestion

[Paul Stenquist]

People. critters, the flora, typical tourist sites from a different perspective.

> On Apr 19, 2023, at 9:59 AM, coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote:
> 
> In Sept we’re going to Yellowstone for 1 week followed by the Grand Canyon 
> for another week.
> 
> At least with digital I don’t have to worry about running out of film. (Just 
> battery life.) Except for the 6x7. At 10 shots per roll one must be judicious.
> 
> So the question is: What should I shoot? Not just the same things that a 
> million other tourists have shot, that’s for certain.
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Re: Vacation suggestion

[Mark Roberts]

Ralf R Radermacher wrote:

>Am 19.04.23 um 15:59 schrieb coll...@brendemuehl.net:
>> Except for the 6x7. At 10 shots per roll one must be judicious.
>
>...or take enough film.

When I was shooting with the 67 I would bring along a DSLT with a lens
of the same approximate angle of view, set the ISO to that of the film
I had in the 67 (or an even multiple) and test every shot with the
DSLR before doing the capture with the 67. The ability to check
exposure with the histogram and pre-view the composition is a great
benefit. I ended up with nary a wasted frame.
 
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Re: Vacation suggestion

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 19.04.23 um 15:59 schrieb coll...@brendemuehl.net:

Except for the 6x7. At 10 shots per roll one must be judicious.


...or take enough film.

Ralf

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Re: Vacation suggestion

[Daniel J. Matyola]

While in Yellowstone, spend at least a day in Grand Tetons and another in
Jackson Hole.  Lots of good photo targets there.

Dan Matyola
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> In Sept we’re going to Yellowstone for 1 week followed by the Grand Canyon
> for another week.
>
> At least with digital I don’t have to worry about running out of film.
> (Just battery life.) Except for the 6x7. At 10 shots per roll one must be
> judicious.
>
> So the question is: What should I shoot? Not just the same things that a
> million other tourists have shot, that’s for certain.
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Vacation suggestion

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In Sept we’re going to Yellowstone for 1 week followed by the Grand Canyon for 
another week.

At least with digital I don’t have to worry about running out of film. (Just 
battery life.) Except for the 6x7. At 10 shots per roll one must be judicious.

So the question is: What should I shoot? Not just the same things that a 
million other tourists have shot, that’s for certain.
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