Re: story 3 of the new APS-C flagship

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 08.09.20 um 21:36 schrieb Henk Terhell:

Apart from their  technical quality I think Leica's have compact elegant
designs and some people may buy it as fashion gadgets.
I don't expect DSLR's can find that niche in current markets accordingly.


They are totally different products serving totally different markets.

Pentax DSLR are bought by amateur photographers who are long-time Pentax
users or individualists who look for something different from the usual
big names.

The typical Leica buyer is a lawyer or dentist who is looking for a way
to spend some of that money made under the table. Cars, boats etc. are
no longer an alternative, at least not here in Europe, because the
taxman would get wind of it. In most EU countries you can't even pay
cash any longer for anything over 3000 euros.

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Re: story 3 of the new APS-C flagship

[Henk Terhell]

Apart from their  technical quality I think Leica's have compact elegant 
designs and some people may buy it as fashion gadgets.

I don't expect DSLR's can find that niche in current markets accordingly.
In my opinion it is important for R/P to hold on to their line of very 
versatile rugged APS-C and FF DSLR's, but not to eliminate features in 
striving to (more) compactness.


Olympus was doomed because of all their cards on MFT format and the 
trend to greater sensors.


Henk

Op 2020-09-08 om 14:04 schreef P. J. Alling:
Perhaps Ricoh/Pentax is planning to follow the Leica route of going 
against the main stream for a small public. 

That would seem to be the way to go if you're a small player in a market.

Trying to compete against the big boys doesn't seem to have done 
Olympus any good, even though they used the newest tech they could to 
enhance their retro offerings.


Sony has decided to spend all it's corporate treasury to capture the 
mainstream photographic market, and Nikon and Canon seem to be 
unwilling to go quietly into oblivion, while Panasonic wants to give 
Sony a run for it's money. That doesn't leave much for a small player.


If Pentax want's to  become the Leica of the Pentaprism, and can 
manage it, that just gives photographers more options.


On 9/6/2020 4:49 PM, Henk Terhell wrote:
A camera nowadays has so many features and no doubt many customers 
use ony a part of them. As an example I've never used the video of my 
DSLR's.
But no way I would buy now a camera with fixed screen, because with 
the K-1  I'm tilting the screen in perhaps a quart  of my shots in 
nature.
We have to wait and see what improvements the new APS-C will bring 
besides the brighter OVF,  but I wonder about the appreciation of the 
fixed screen when introduced on the market.
Perhaps Ricoh/Pentax is planning to follow the Leica route of going 
against the main stream for a small public.


Henk

Op 2020-09-06 om 21:01 schreef Bruce Walker:
On Fri, 4 Sep 2020 at 10:30, Henk Terhell  
wrote:

https://pentaxofficial.com/en/6628/

Well, as expected, the die is cast: the new flagship will have a
fixed LCD screen.
Wrong decisions by R/P

I have a tilt-up screen on my 645Z which I *never* use. I only ever
shoot using the OVF so the LCD remains flat against the body.

Ironically, I am considering substituting a (tilting LCD) K-1 for my
(non-tilting) K-3 as my backup/alternate body, and I would treat that
tiltable K-1 LCD the same way: stuck resolutely to the back. Can't use
an LCD viewscreen for shooting; don't need an LCD viewscreen for
shooting.

And really, since Ricoh/Pentax has decided to stick with the OVF and
forgo mirrorless designs, favouring the OVF is a reasonable way to go.







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Re: story 3 of the new APS-C flagship

[John]

I remember it, but I didn't realize it was that long ago. You just made me feel 
old, because I remember seeing it when I had the *ist-D and counting back I 
realized I got that 16 years ago.


It was marketed that the TV camera clipped onto the view-finder in place of the 
eye-cup and when you held your camera overhead with a monopod, the little TV 
screen could be clamped onto the monopod to put it at eye level (not snarking 
this time).


IIRC, you used a long cable release to fire the shutter.

I thought about getting one, but IIRC they didn't have a version that would fit 
onto the *ist-D eyepiece. Already back then Pentax wasn't being supported by 
third party vendors.



On 9/8/2020 08:08:09, P. J. Alling wrote:
Probably not, as there was a product that did that with a video camera and 
tilting display that attached to the viewfinder on SLRs and DSLRs what about 
10-15 years ago.  It was the Z(something).  I don't think they're still 
available, or if they are, they're a more niche product than most.


On 9/7/2020 5:33 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



On Sep 7, 2020, at 2:04 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:

I have missed several shots holding my camera overhead while shooting events, 
and passed up some macros that would have required lying down on unappealing 
surfaces.


So I was really hoping for a tilting LCD on the K-new.
I wonder if there is a market for something that’ll attach to the 1/4-20 
thread in the base and will hold a mirror that can be angled to give a view of 
the back screen.


I frequently used my tilt screen on my K-1, and if it ever comes back from 
Precision, expect that I will again.  the thing that is almost as frustrating 
is how slow the response is when shooting in live view.  Mirrorless cameras 
can shoot without significant delay, and at a reasonable frame rate, it’d be 
nice if Pentax could as well when operating in mirrorless mode.



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Re: story 3 of the new APS-C flagship

[John]

On 9/8/2020 07:59:59, Dale H. Cook wrote:

On 9/8/2020 4:33 AM, Alan C wrote:


Can't you use the Image Sync app & yout smartphone?


Larry wrote that he was "holding my camera overhead while shooting events". 
Unless he grows a third arm to handle the smartphone an app is not practical. In 
any case a photographer often needs to adjust the controls of a DSLR in ways 
that are beyond the capabilities of an app.


Maybe mount the camera on a monopod to hold it up in the air and duct tape the 
phone to it down near the bottom so it would be at eye-level? He'd be able to 
hold the monopod up with one hand & poke at the phone app with the other.


Of course it being Larry, I wouldn't bet on him not being able to grow a third 
arm. 8^)


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Re: story 3 of the new APS-C flagship

[P. J. Alling]

Probably not, as there was a product that did that with a video camera 
and tilting display that attached to the viewfinder on SLRs and DSLRs 
what about 10-15 years ago.  It was the Z(something).  I don't think 
they're still available, or if they are, they're a more niche product 
than most.


On 9/7/2020 5:33 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



On Sep 7, 2020, at 2:04 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:

I have missed several shots holding my camera overhead while shooting events, 
and passed up some macros that would have required lying down on unappealing 
surfaces.

So I was really hoping for a tilting LCD on the K-new.

I wonder if there is a market for something that’ll attach to the 1/4-20 thread 
in the base and will hold a mirror that can be angled to give a view of the 
back screen.

I frequently used my tilt screen on my K-1, and if it ever comes back from 
Precision, expect that I will again.  the thing that is almost as frustrating 
is how slow the response is when shooting in live view.  Mirrorless cameras can 
shoot without significant delay, and at a reasonable frame rate, it’d be nice 
if Pentax could as well when operating in mirrorless mode.


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Re: story 3 of the new APS-C flagship

[P. J. Alling]

Perhaps Ricoh/Pentax is planning to follow the Leica route of going 
against the main stream for a small public. 

That would seem to be the way to go if you're a small player in a market.

Trying to compete against the big boys doesn't seem to have done Olympus 
any good, even though they used the newest tech they could to enhance 
their retro offerings.


Sony has decided to spend all it's corporate treasury to capture the 
mainstream photographic market, and Nikon and Canon seem to be unwilling 
to go quietly into oblivion, while Panasonic wants to give Sony a run 
for it's money. That doesn't leave much for a small player.


If Pentax want's to  become the Leica of the Pentaprism, and can manage 
it, that just gives photographers more options.


On 9/6/2020 4:49 PM, Henk Terhell wrote:
A camera nowadays has so many features and no doubt many customers use 
ony a part of them. As an example I've never used the video of my DSLR's.
But no way I would buy now a camera with fixed screen, because with 
the K-1  I'm tilting the screen in perhaps a quart  of my shots in 
nature.
We have to wait and see what improvements the new APS-C will bring 
besides the brighter OVF,  but I wonder about the appreciation of the 
fixed screen when introduced on the market.
Perhaps Ricoh/Pentax is planning to follow the Leica route of going 
against the main stream for a small public.


Henk

Op 2020-09-06 om 21:01 schreef Bruce Walker:

On Fri, 4 Sep 2020 at 10:30, Henk Terhell  wrote:

https://pentaxofficial.com/en/6628/

Well, as expected, the die is cast: the new flagship will have a
fixed LCD screen.
Wrong decisions by R/P

I have a tilt-up screen on my 645Z which I *never* use. I only ever
shoot using the OVF so the LCD remains flat against the body.

Ironically, I am considering substituting a (tilting LCD) K-1 for my
(non-tilting) K-3 as my backup/alternate body, and I would treat that
tiltable K-1 LCD the same way: stuck resolutely to the back. Can't use
an LCD viewscreen for shooting; don't need an LCD viewscreen for
shooting.

And really, since Ricoh/Pentax has decided to stick with the OVF and
forgo mirrorless designs, favouring the OVF is a reasonable way to go.





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Re: story 3 of the new APS-C flagship

[Dale H. Cook]

On 9/8/2020 4:33 AM, Alan C wrote:


Can't you use the Image Sync app & yout smartphone?


Larry wrote that he was "holding my camera overhead while shooting 
events". Unless he grows a third arm to handle the smartphone an app is 
not practical. In any case a photographer often needs to adjust the 
controls of a DSLR in ways that are beyond the capabilities of an app.

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Re: story 3 of the new APS-C flagship

[Alan C]

Can't you use the Image Sync app & yout smartphone?

Alan C

On 07-Sep-20 11:33 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



On Sep 7, 2020, at 2:04 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:

I have missed several shots holding my camera overhead while shooting events, 
and passed up some macros that would have required lying down on unappealing 
surfaces.

So I was really hoping for a tilting LCD on the K-new.

I wonder if there is a market for something that’ll attach to the 1/4-20 thread 
in the base and will hold a mirror that can be angled to give a view of the 
back screen.

I frequently used my tilt screen on my K-1, and if it ever comes back from 
Precision, expect that I will again.  the thing that is almost as frustrating 
is how slow the response is when shooting in live view.  Mirrorless cameras can 
shoot without significant delay, and at a reasonable frame rate, it’d be nice 
if Pentax could as well when operating in mirrorless mode.


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RE: story 3 of the new APS-C flagship

[jcoyle]

At one time Asahi Pentax offered a right-angle finder attachment: this fitted 
to the viewfinder and allowed the user to look down into it with the camera at 
any lower level required.  Of course, the eye still needed to be close to the 
eyepiece to view: possibly this is why not many were ever seen in use, and the 
piece was dropped from the line-up years ago. Perhaps if it had been a good 
seller, it would have continued to be made.
I'm not much into macro or other shots which might require me to get down on 
the ground - mainly because of aged muscles! - so I am not hanging out for a 
flip screen.


John in Brisbane



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> On Sep 7, 2020, at 2:04 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> 
> I have missed several shots holding my camera overhead while shooting events, 
> and passed up some macros that would have required lying down on unappealing 
> surfaces. 
> 
> So I was really hoping for a tilting LCD on the K-new.

I wonder if there is a market for something that’ll attach to the 1/4-20 thread 
in the base and will hold a mirror that can be angled to give a view of the 
back screen.

I frequently used my tilt screen on my K-1, and if it ever comes back from 
Precision, expect that I will again.  the thing that is almost as frustrating 
is how slow the response is when shooting in live view.  Mirrorless cameras can 
shoot without significant delay, and at a reasonable frame rate, it’d be nice 
if Pentax could as well when operating in mirrorless mode.


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Re: story 3 of the new APS-C flagship

[Larry Colen]

> On Sep 7, 2020, at 2:04 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> 
> I have missed several shots holding my camera overhead while shooting events, 
> and passed up some macros that would have required lying down on unappealing 
> surfaces. 
> 
> So I was really hoping for a tilting LCD on the K-new.

I wonder if there is a market for something that’ll attach to the 1/4-20 thread 
in the base and will hold a mirror that can be angled to give a view of the 
back screen.

I frequently used my tilt screen on my K-1, and if it ever comes back from 
Precision, expect that I will again.  the thing that is almost as frustrating 
is how slow the response is when shooting in live view.  Mirrorless cameras can 
shoot without significant delay, and at a reasonable frame rate, it’d be nice 
if Pentax could as well when operating in mirrorless mode.


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Re: story 3 of the new APS-C flagship

[Rick Womer]

I have missed several shots holding my camera overhead while shooting events, 
and passed up some macros that would have required lying down on unappealing 
surfaces. 

So I was really hoping for a tilting LCD on the K-new.

Rick



> On Sep 6, 2020, at 3:01 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 4 Sep 2020 at 10:30, Henk Terhell  wrote:
>> 
>> https://pentaxofficial.com/en/6628/
>> 
>> Well, as expected, the die is cast: the new flagship will have a
>> fixed LCD screen.
>> Wrong decisions by R/P
> 
> I have a tilt-up screen on my 645Z which I *never* use. I only ever
> shoot using the OVF so the LCD remains flat against the body.
> 
> Ironically, I am considering substituting a (tilting LCD) K-1 for my
> (non-tilting) K-3 as my backup/alternate body, and I would treat that
> tiltable K-1 LCD the same way: stuck resolutely to the back. Can't use
> an LCD viewscreen for shooting; don't need an LCD viewscreen for
> shooting.
> 
> And really, since Ricoh/Pentax has decided to stick with the OVF and
> forgo mirrorless designs, favouring the OVF is a reasonable way to go.
> 
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Re: story 3 of the new APS-C flagship

[Henk Terhell]

Probably we'll get a Limited APS-C camera for Limited lenses.

Henk

Op 2020-09-07 om 03:23 schreef Daniel J. Matyola:

Ricoh seems to be reaching for a smaller public than even the old Pentax
did.

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On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 4:50 PM Henk Terhell  wrote:


A camera nowadays has so many features and no doubt many customers use
ony a part of them. As an example I've never used the video of my DSLR's.
But no way I would buy now a camera with fixed screen, because with the
K-1  I'm tilting the screen in perhaps a quart  of my shots in nature.
We have to wait and see what improvements the new APS-C will bring
besides the brighter OVF,  but I wonder about the appreciation of the
fixed screen when introduced on the market.
Perhaps Ricoh/Pentax is planning to follow the Leica route of going
against the main stream for a small public.

Henk

Op 2020-09-06 om 21:01 schreef Bruce Walker:

On Fri, 4 Sep 2020 at 10:30, Henk Terhell  wrote:

https://pentaxofficial.com/en/6628/

Well, as expected, the die is cast: the new flagship will have a
fixed LCD screen.
Wrong decisions by R/P

I have a tilt-up screen on my 645Z which I *never* use. I only ever
shoot using the OVF so the LCD remains flat against the body.

Ironically, I am considering substituting a (tilting LCD) K-1 for my
(non-tilting) K-3 as my backup/alternate body, and I would treat that
tiltable K-1 LCD the same way: stuck resolutely to the back. Can't use
an LCD viewscreen for shooting; don't need an LCD viewscreen for
shooting.

And really, since Ricoh/Pentax has decided to stick with the OVF and
forgo mirrorless designs, favouring the OVF is a reasonable way to go.



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Re: story 3 of the new APS-C flagship

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Ricoh seems to be reaching for a smaller public than even the old Pentax
did.

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On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 4:50 PM Henk Terhell  wrote:

> A camera nowadays has so many features and no doubt many customers use
> ony a part of them. As an example I've never used the video of my DSLR's.
> But no way I would buy now a camera with fixed screen, because with the
> K-1  I'm tilting the screen in perhaps a quart  of my shots in nature.
> We have to wait and see what improvements the new APS-C will bring
> besides the brighter OVF,  but I wonder about the appreciation of the
> fixed screen when introduced on the market.
> Perhaps Ricoh/Pentax is planning to follow the Leica route of going
> against the main stream for a small public.
>
> Henk
>
> Op 2020-09-06 om 21:01 schreef Bruce Walker:
> > On Fri, 4 Sep 2020 at 10:30, Henk Terhell  wrote:
> >> https://pentaxofficial.com/en/6628/
> >>
> >> Well, as expected, the die is cast: the new flagship will have a
> >> fixed LCD screen.
> >> Wrong decisions by R/P
> > I have a tilt-up screen on my 645Z which I *never* use. I only ever
> > shoot using the OVF so the LCD remains flat against the body.
> >
> > Ironically, I am considering substituting a (tilting LCD) K-1 for my
> > (non-tilting) K-3 as my backup/alternate body, and I would treat that
> > tiltable K-1 LCD the same way: stuck resolutely to the back. Can't use
> > an LCD viewscreen for shooting; don't need an LCD viewscreen for
> > shooting.
> >
> > And really, since Ricoh/Pentax has decided to stick with the OVF and
> > forgo mirrorless designs, favouring the OVF is a reasonable way to go.
> >
>
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Re: story 3 of the new APS-C flagship

[Henk Terhell]

A camera nowadays has so many features and no doubt many customers use 
ony a part of them. As an example I've never used the video of my DSLR's.
But no way I would buy now a camera with fixed screen, because with the 
K-1  I'm tilting the screen in perhaps a quart  of my shots in nature.
We have to wait and see what improvements the new APS-C will bring 
besides the brighter OVF,  but I wonder about the appreciation of the 
fixed screen when introduced on the market.
Perhaps Ricoh/Pentax is planning to follow the Leica route of going 
against the main stream for a small public.


Henk

Op 2020-09-06 om 21:01 schreef Bruce Walker:

On Fri, 4 Sep 2020 at 10:30, Henk Terhell  wrote:

https://pentaxofficial.com/en/6628/

Well, as expected, the die is cast: the new flagship will have a
fixed LCD screen.
Wrong decisions by R/P

I have a tilt-up screen on my 645Z which I *never* use. I only ever
shoot using the OVF so the LCD remains flat against the body.

Ironically, I am considering substituting a (tilting LCD) K-1 for my
(non-tilting) K-3 as my backup/alternate body, and I would treat that
tiltable K-1 LCD the same way: stuck resolutely to the back. Can't use
an LCD viewscreen for shooting; don't need an LCD viewscreen for
shooting.

And really, since Ricoh/Pentax has decided to stick with the OVF and
forgo mirrorless designs, favouring the OVF is a reasonable way to go.




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Re: story 3 of the new APS-C flagship

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On Fri, 4 Sep 2020 at 10:30, Henk Terhell  wrote:
>
> https://pentaxofficial.com/en/6628/
>
> Well, as expected, the die is cast: the new flagship will have a
> fixed LCD screen.
> Wrong decisions by R/P

I have a tilt-up screen on my 645Z which I *never* use. I only ever
shoot using the OVF so the LCD remains flat against the body.

Ironically, I am considering substituting a (tilting LCD) K-1 for my
(non-tilting) K-3 as my backup/alternate body, and I would treat that
tiltable K-1 LCD the same way: stuck resolutely to the back. Can't use
an LCD viewscreen for shooting; don't need an LCD viewscreen for
shooting.

And really, since Ricoh/Pentax has decided to stick with the OVF and
forgo mirrorless designs, favouring the OVF is a reasonable way to go.

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Re: story 3 of the new APS-C flagship (PESO)

[P. J. Alling]

That's very impressive, and I understand your point.

I also see their point, and having gone partway down the path to trying 
to get a Pentax DSLR repaired out of warranty recently I can see the 
need to minimize points of failure.  I simply replaced my K-5II rather 
than getting it repaired.


By the way in it's current condition it's worth about $25.00 US, (if 
anyone's interested in it for parts they can have it for the price of 
shipping), but it could be worse the K20D is beat all to hell has a 
cracked viewfinder lens and I have to hold the SD card door closed with 
tape, but it still takes photos as good as it ever did, and it's worth 
about $6.00 US.


On 9/5/2020 4:04 AM, Henk Terhell wrote:
I had hoped in vain for a flagship with all features as K1(II) in 
APS-C format, to get more reach and less weight.
Here a focus stacked picture of mushrooms on my drive way taken 
yesterday, to show the need for a tilted screen.

On a wooden plate I've fitted an Arca-Swiss clamp to get stability.
https://flic.kr/p/2jDjzTY
(Yes, I will mow the lawn today!)

Henk

Op 2020-09-04 om 22:55 schreef P. J. Alling:
I wouldn't say it was a wrong decision. If you want an APS-C Pentax 
with a tilt or flip screen there are two current models that 
suffice.   A KP or a K70.  Even thought I don't particularly want 
either they are great bargains at the moment, about half what I 
expect the new flagship to debut at. Sure you give up some battery 
life and some buffer, but what I would want a flippy screen for 
buffer and battery life are probably the least of my worries.  I also 
expect that given current sensor tech you won't see a lot of 
difference between results from them vs the new flagship.


Not having an articulated screen does have the advantage of avoiding 
another point of failure.  I'll bet that Ricoh has a lot of internal 
data showing more screen repairs on those models than on any of the 
others.


On 9/4/2020 4:29 AM, Henk Terhell wrote:

https://pentaxofficial.com/en/6628/

Well, as expected, the die is cast: the new flagship will have a 
fixed LCD screen.

Wrong decisions by R/P

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Re: story 3 of the new APS-C flagship

[P. J. Alling]

I've ranted about Pentax and now Ricoh marketing and their naming 
conventions or lack thereof a while ago.


I must admit I haven't handled either a K-70 or a KP and have no 
particular interest in either.  The big selling point of the KP was it's 
small size, but really it's not a hell of a lot smaller than a K3 and 
not really any smaller than a K-5, three dials for the exposure triangle 
would be nice, but I've gotten used to having two, and a button.


I can however see that having a flip out back screen or not is a 
question of preferring a robust body vs convenience in certain 
circumstances will effect future repairs as well as cost. Personally 
I've never felt the need for a flip out screen, but I can see why people 
would want one.


I have a few moves Ricoh could make for me to decide to ditch Pentax, 
chief among them abandoning support for all those legacy lenses I've 
collected over the years.  So far they haven't done that.


I'm still annoyed at the loss of the aperture simulator, none and I mean 
none of the explanations make any sense except for cost.


On 9/4/2020 8:18 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

Well, PJ, I disagree.

My wife has a K70, and the user interface is a mess if one is accustomed to 
anything from the K10D onwards. I have never handled a KP, but its battery is 
tiny and its AF is poor, even by Pentax standards, and its user interface 
resembles neither the K10-7-5-3’s nor the K70’s.

Also, if you want to know just how bright Pentax marketing is, just ask 
yourself: Why would any company take a product series and count DOWN rather 
than UP in naming the models? Sheesh.

Dyspeptically,

Rick




On Sep 4, 2020, at 4:55 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:

I wouldn't say it was a wrong decision.  If you want an APS-C Pentax with a 
tilt or flip screen there are two current models that suffice.   A KP or a K70. 
 Even thought I don't particularly want either they are great bargains at the 
moment, about half what I expect the new flagship to debut at.   Sure you give 
up some battery life and some buffer, but what I would want a flippy screen for 
buffer and battery life are probably the least of my worries.  I also expect 
that given current sensor tech you won't see a lot of difference between 
results from them vs the new flagship.

Not having an articulated screen does have the advantage of avoiding another 
point of failure.  I'll bet that Ricoh has a lot of internal data showing more 
screen repairs on those models than on any of the others.

On 9/4/2020 4:29 AM, Henk Terhell wrote:

https://pentaxofficial.com/en/6628/

Well, as expected, the die is cast: the new flagship will have a fixed LCD 
screen.
Wrong decisions by R/P

Henk


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Re: story 3 of the new APS-C flagship (PESO)

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I know;  I have been photographing some around here.

Dan Matyola
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On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 9:21 AM Henk Terhell  wrote:

> Thanks Dan. They are desintegrating quickly and by now are in the
> mushrooms hereafter.
>
> Henk
>
> Op 2020-09-05 om 14:56 schreef Daniel J. Matyola:
> > I love your 'shrooms!
> >
> > Dan Matyola
> > *https://tinyurl.com/DJM-Pentax-Gallery
> > *
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 4:05 AM Henk Terhell  wrote:
> >
> >
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Re: story 3 of the new APS-C flagship (PESO)

[Henk Terhell]

Thanks Dan. They are desintegrating quickly and by now are in the 
mushrooms hereafter.


Henk

Op 2020-09-05 om 14:56 schreef Daniel J. Matyola:

I love your 'shrooms!

Dan Matyola
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I love your 'shrooms!

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On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 4:05 AM Henk Terhell  wrote:

> I had hoped in vain for a flagship with all features as K1(II) in APS-C
> format, to get more reach and less weight.
> Here a focus stacked picture of mushrooms on my drive way taken
> yesterday, to show the need for a tilted screen.
> On a wooden plate I've fitted an Arca-Swiss clamp to get stability.
> https://flic.kr/p/2jDjzTY
> (Yes, I will mow the lawn today!)
>
> Henk
>
> Op 2020-09-04 om 22:55 schreef P. J. Alling:
> > I wouldn't say it was a wrong decision.  If you want an APS-C Pentax
> > with a tilt or flip screen there are two current models that
> > suffice.   A KP or a K70.  Even thought I don't particularly want
> > either they are great bargains at the moment, about half what I expect
> > the new flagship to debut at.   Sure you give up some battery life and
> > some buffer, but what I would want a flippy screen for buffer and
> > battery life are probably the least of my worries.  I also expect that
> > given current sensor tech you won't see a lot of difference between
> > results from them vs the new flagship.
> >
> > Not having an articulated screen does have the advantage of avoiding
> > another point of failure.  I'll bet that Ricoh has a lot of internal
> > data showing more screen repairs on those models than on any of the
> > others.
> >
> > On 9/4/2020 4:29 AM, Henk Terhell wrote:
> >> https://pentaxofficial.com/en/6628/
> >>
> >> Well, as expected, the die is cast: the new flagship will have a
> >> fixed LCD screen.
> >> Wrong decisions by R/P
> >>
> >> Henk
> >>
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Re: story 3 of the new APS-C flagship (PESO)

[Henk Terhell]

Thanks Paul. I 've also used the flip down of the K-1 in some classical 
concerts  standing behind so not to disturb the public.


Henk

Op 2020-09-05 om 13:35 schreef Paul Stenquist:

Excellent. I wouldn’t want to be without the articulated screen either. Flip 
down capability is important as well. With the K-1 I can shoot most of my high 
angles of cars without getting On a ladder.

Paul


On Sep 5, 2020, at 4:28 AM, Henk Terhell  wrote:

Thanks Christine

Op 2020-09-05 om 10:14 schreef Christine Aguila:

That’s really nice, Henk!  Rich detail and sharp!  Cheers, Christine



On Sep 5, 2020, at 3:04 AM, Henk Terhell  wrote:

I had hoped in vain for a flagship with all features as K1(II) in APS-C format, 
to get more reach and less weight.
Here a focus stacked picture of mushrooms on my drive way taken yesterday, to 
show the need for a tilted screen.
On a wooden plate I've fitted an Arca-Swiss clamp to get stability.
https://flic.kr/p/2jDjzTY
(Yes, I will mow the lawn today!)

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Re: story 3 of the new APS-C flagship (PESO)

[Paul Stenquist]

Excellent. I wouldn’t want to be without the articulated screen either. Flip 
down capability is important as well. With the K-1 I can shoot most of my high 
angles of cars without getting On a ladder.

Paul

> On Sep 5, 2020, at 4:28 AM, Henk Terhell  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Christine
> 
> Op 2020-09-05 om 10:14 schreef Christine Aguila:
>> That’s really nice, Henk!  Rich detail and sharp!  Cheers, Christine
>> 
>> 
 On Sep 5, 2020, at 3:04 AM, Henk Terhell  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I had hoped in vain for a flagship with all features as K1(II) in APS-C 
>>> format, to get more reach and less weight.
>>> Here a focus stacked picture of mushrooms on my drive way taken yesterday, 
>>> to show the need for a tilted screen.
>>> On a wooden plate I've fitted an Arca-Swiss clamp to get stability.
>>> https://flic.kr/p/2jDjzTY
>>> (Yes, I will mow the lawn today!)
>>> 
>>> Henk
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: story 3 of the new APS-C flagship (PESO)

[Henk Terhell]

Thanks Christine

Op 2020-09-05 om 10:14 schreef Christine Aguila:

That’s really nice, Henk!  Rich detail and sharp!  Cheers, Christine



On Sep 5, 2020, at 3:04 AM, Henk Terhell  wrote:

I had hoped in vain for a flagship with all features as K1(II) in APS-C format, 
to get more reach and less weight.
Here a focus stacked picture of mushrooms on my drive way taken yesterday, to 
show the need for a tilted screen.
On a wooden plate I've fitted an Arca-Swiss clamp to get stability.
https://flic.kr/p/2jDjzTY
(Yes, I will mow the lawn today!)

Henk





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Re: story 3 of the new APS-C flagship (PESO)

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That’s really nice, Henk!  Rich detail and sharp!  Cheers, Christine 


> On Sep 5, 2020, at 3:04 AM, Henk Terhell  wrote:
> 
> I had hoped in vain for a flagship with all features as K1(II) in APS-C 
> format, to get more reach and less weight.
> Here a focus stacked picture of mushrooms on my drive way taken yesterday, to 
> show the need for a tilted screen.
> On a wooden plate I've fitted an Arca-Swiss clamp to get stability.
> https://flic.kr/p/2jDjzTY
> (Yes, I will mow the lawn today!)
> 
> Henk
> 
> Op 2020-09-04 om 22:55 schreef P. J. Alling:
>> I wouldn't say it was a wrong decision.  If you want an APS-C Pentax with a 
>> tilt or flip screen there are two current models that suffice.   A KP or a 
>> K70.  Even thought I don't particularly want either they are great bargains 
>> at the moment, about half what I expect the new flagship to debut at.   Sure 
>> you give up some battery life and some buffer, but what I would want a 
>> flippy screen for buffer and battery life are probably the least of my 
>> worries.  I also expect that given current sensor tech you won't see a lot 
>> of difference between results from them vs the new flagship.
>> 
>> Not having an articulated screen does have the advantage of avoiding another 
>> point of failure.  I'll bet that Ricoh has a lot of internal data showing 
>> more screen repairs on those models than on any of the others.
>> 
>> On 9/4/2020 4:29 AM, Henk Terhell wrote:
>>> https://pentaxofficial.com/en/6628/
>>> 
>>> Well, as expected, the die is cast: the new flagship will have a fixed LCD 
>>> screen.
>>> Wrong decisions by R/P
>>> 
>>> Henk
>>> 
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Re: story 3 of the new APS-C flagship (PESO)

[Henk Terhell]

I had hoped in vain for a flagship with all features as K1(II) in APS-C 
format, to get more reach and less weight.
Here a focus stacked picture of mushrooms on my drive way taken 
yesterday, to show the need for a tilted screen.

On a wooden plate I've fitted an Arca-Swiss clamp to get stability.
https://flic.kr/p/2jDjzTY
(Yes, I will mow the lawn today!)

Henk

Op 2020-09-04 om 22:55 schreef P. J. Alling:
I wouldn't say it was a wrong decision.  If you want an APS-C Pentax 
with a tilt or flip screen there are two current models that 
suffice.   A KP or a K70.  Even thought I don't particularly want 
either they are great bargains at the moment, about half what I expect 
the new flagship to debut at.   Sure you give up some battery life and 
some buffer, but what I would want a flippy screen for buffer and 
battery life are probably the least of my worries.  I also expect that 
given current sensor tech you won't see a lot of difference between 
results from them vs the new flagship.


Not having an articulated screen does have the advantage of avoiding 
another point of failure.  I'll bet that Ricoh has a lot of internal 
data showing more screen repairs on those models than on any of the 
others.


On 9/4/2020 4:29 AM, Henk Terhell wrote:

https://pentaxofficial.com/en/6628/

Well, as expected, the die is cast: the new flagship will have a 
fixed LCD screen.

Wrong decisions by R/P

Henk




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Re: story 3 of the new APS-C flagship

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> On 5 Sep 2020, at 01:19, Rick Womer  wrote:
> 
> Also, if you want to know just how bright Pentax marketing is, just ask 
> yourself: Why would any company take a product series and count DOWN rather 
> than UP in naming the models? Sheesh.
> 
> Dyspeptically,

A certain German company whose name begins with L springs to mind.

M3, MP, M2, M1, M4, M5, ..., and now it’s got itself stuck at M10 this, M10 
that, sometimes with a hyphen, sometimes without. Rational Germans, eh?



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Re: story 3 of the new APS-C flagship

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Well, PJ, I disagree. 

My wife has a K70, and the user interface is a mess if one is accustomed to 
anything from the K10D onwards. I have never handled a KP, but its battery is 
tiny and its AF is poor, even by Pentax standards, and its user interface 
resembles neither the K10-7-5-3’s nor the K70’s.

Also, if you want to know just how bright Pentax marketing is, just ask 
yourself: Why would any company take a product series and count DOWN rather 
than UP in naming the models? Sheesh.

Dyspeptically,

Rick



> On Sep 4, 2020, at 4:55 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> 
> I wouldn't say it was a wrong decision.  If you want an APS-C Pentax with a 
> tilt or flip screen there are two current models that suffice.   A KP or a 
> K70.  Even thought I don't particularly want either they are great bargains 
> at the moment, about half what I expect the new flagship to debut at.   Sure 
> you give up some battery life and some buffer, but what I would want a flippy 
> screen for buffer and battery life are probably the least of my worries.  I 
> also expect that given current sensor tech you won't see a lot of difference 
> between results from them vs the new flagship.
> 
> Not having an articulated screen does have the advantage of avoiding another 
> point of failure.  I'll bet that Ricoh has a lot of internal data showing 
> more screen repairs on those models than on any of the others.
> 
> On 9/4/2020 4:29 AM, Henk Terhell wrote:
>> https://pentaxofficial.com/en/6628/
>> 
>> Well, as expected, the die is cast: the new flagship will have a fixed LCD 
>> screen.
>> Wrong decisions by R/P
>> 
>> Henk
>> 
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Re: story 3 of the new APS-C flagship

[Henk Terhell]

I wonder how customers will appreciate the lack of this feature.
Of around 20 DSLR's now offered on the market only 2 low budget and 4 
top professional (sport)camera's have a fixed screen.

None of the  mirroless camera's (except one Leica) has a fixed screen.
For nature photography (flowers, mushrooms) a tilted screen has become 
an essential tool.


With the K-1 I experienced that built-in GPS is extremely  useful for 
automatic reporting to datasets of nature observations.

So for me Ricoh/Pentax will have nothing to offer in APS-C format.

Henk

Op 2020-09-04 om 22:55 schreef P. J. Alling:
I wouldn't say it was a wrong decision.  If you want an APS-C Pentax 
with a tilt or flip screen there are two current models that 
suffice.   A KP or a K70.  Even thought I don't particularly want 
either they are great bargains at the moment, about half what I expect 
the new flagship to debut at.   Sure you give up some battery life and 
some buffer, but what I would want a flippy screen for buffer and 
battery life are probably the least of my worries.  I also expect that 
given current sensor tech you won't see a lot of difference between 
results from them vs the new flagship.


Not having an articulated screen does have the advantage of avoiding 
another point of failure.  I'll bet that Ricoh has a lot of internal 
data showing more screen repairs on those models than on any of the 
others.


On 9/4/2020 4:29 AM, Henk Terhell wrote:

https://pentaxofficial.com/en/6628/

Well, as expected, the die is cast: the new flagship will have a 
fixed LCD screen.

Wrong decisions by R/P

Henk




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Re: story 3 of the new APS-C flagship

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I wouldn't say it was a wrong decision.  If you want an APS-C Pentax 
with a tilt or flip screen there are two current models that suffice.   
A KP or a K70.  Even thought I don't particularly want either they are 
great bargains at the moment, about half what I expect the new flagship 
to debut at.   Sure you give up some battery life and some buffer, but 
what I would want a flippy screen for buffer and battery life are 
probably the least of my worries.  I also expect that given current 
sensor tech you won't see a lot of difference between results from them 
vs the new flagship.


Not having an articulated screen does have the advantage of avoiding 
another point of failure.  I'll bet that Ricoh has a lot of internal 
data showing more screen repairs on those models than on any of the others.


On 9/4/2020 4:29 AM, Henk Terhell wrote:

https://pentaxofficial.com/en/6628/

Well, as expected, the die is cast: the new flagship will have a fixed 
LCD screen.

Wrong decisions by R/P

Henk


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Re: story 3 of the new APS-C flagship

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On 9/4/2020 8:55 AM, Rick Womer wrote:


Well, crap. That seems a stupid decision.


I agree. I often use my K-70 in positions where I cannot use the 
viewfinder and where a fixed screen would not be useful. I only have two 
hands so even using Image Sync in those situations is often not 
practical. After owning my K-70 for nearly three years I would not buy a 
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Re: story 3 of the new APS-C flagship

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Well, crap. That seems a stupid decision.

Rick

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> 
> https://pentaxofficial.com/en/6628/
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> Well, as expected, the die is cast: the new flagship will have a fixed LCD 
> screen.
> Wrong decisions by R/P
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Re: story 3 of the new APS-C flagship

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Very sad. I need it, but don't want it!

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> https://pentaxofficial.com/en/6628/
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> LCD screen.
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story 3 of the new APS-C flagship

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https://pentaxofficial.com/en/6628/

Well, as expected, the die is cast: the new flagship will have a fixed 
LCD screen.

Wrong decisions by R/P

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