Re: The rise of an emotion based left was Bush using drugs
I agree: as I've said before, people such as Castro and Noriega are dismissed as "crazy" by establishmentarian figures. As someone who deals with the community of parents of kids on the autistic spectrum, I'm always fighting the urge (not just by others) to diagnose various people as autistic, Asperger's, etc. without actually knowing them personally and therapeutically. (These people include Albert Einstein, Bill Gates, the fictional Napoleon Dynamite, etc.) Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine -Original Message-From: PEN-L list [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Brian McKennaSent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 8:18 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [PEN-L] The rise of an emotion based left was Bush using drugsHi all,I disagree strongly with this view. . .Mental health tags are continually used to discredit whistleblowers, Marxists, and others who challenge orthodoxy. This reproduces the dominant view that mental health questions only pertain to individuals, particularly those individuals who are not conformist in a pernicious hierarchical social order. It also reproduces the Western view that mental health applies to isolated individuals, not societies and their leaders. . .Bush on the Couch is a very important work that brings bourgeois psychoanalysts and phsycologists beyond the clinic and applies their insights to the true sources of perversion in the land.Yes, there is a danger in this. . .but the prevailing ideology of individual causation of disease and illness, captured in the dominant ideology of biomedicine is far, far worse. . .Marx and others are fair game for this analysis as well. . .Brian McKenna
The rise of an emotion based left was Bush using drugs
Greetings Economists, It is but a small step from what CC writes: As a friend of mine in the local Depressive Support Group once observed, Just because you're crazy doesn't mean you're not also a jerk! There is no difficulty in demonstrating that Bush and his friends are one large bunch of thugs war criminals. There is no need for Capital Blue's baiting of the mentally ill! Doyle, to taking seriously what emotion contributes to society. Everyone knows the Enlightenment view of emotion is that it does not belong in rational discussion. Contrarily, the philosopher of law at the University of Chicago, Martha Nussbaum posits a society in which asocial emotions do not shape society, and social emotions do. It is a far cry from that position to one which condemns Bush for being depressed. It is bigoted anti-disability claim about Bush. Just to be clear Nussbaum for example distinguishes disgust as an asocial emotion from anger or fear which are social emotions. In other words Nussbaum takes seriously the role of emotion in the construction of society and gives us probably the first non bigoted way to approach this issue. She in fact directly addresses bigotry against disabled people. No socialist or Marxist can possibly stand by an attack upon depressed people as a legitimate left path. Down with the bigots. thanks, Doyle
Re: The rise of an emotion based left was Bush using drugs
Brian McKenna wrote: Hi all, I disagree strongly with this view. . . The rest of this post is so incoherent that I am baffled by how to respond to its actual arguments (since every argument the post advances it also attacks as far as I can see: hence it refutes itself pretty conclusively). But the rationale of the argument aside, I take any attack on anyone on the basis of mental illness as a personal attack. I.e., as far as I am concerned Brian's post boils down to the proposition that Cox is a shithead. Same to you Brian. Carrol
Re: The rise of an emotion based left was Bush using drugs
Hi all, I disagree strongly with this view. . . Mental health tags are continually used to discredit whistleblowers, Marxists, and others who challenge orthodoxy. This reproduces the dominant view that mental health questions only pertain to individuals, particularly those individuals who are not conformist in a pernicious hierarchical social order. It also reproduces the Western view that mental health applies to isolated individuals, not societies and their leaders. . . Bush on the Couch is a very important work that brings bourgeois psychoanalysts and phsycologists beyond the clinic and applies their insights to the true sources of perversion in the land. Yes, there is a danger in this. . .but the prevailing ideology of individual causation of disease and illness, captured in the dominant ideology of biomedicine is far, far worse. . . Marx and others are fair game for this analysis as well. . . Brian McKenna
Re: The rise of an emotion based left was Bush using drugs
In a message dated 8/5/04 11:41:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I take any attack on anyone on the basis of mental illness as a personal attack. I.e., as far as I am concerned Brian's post boils down to the proposition that "Cox is a shithead." there is a slippery slope between the person and the culture. . .that's what Frank and others argue. I'm an anthropologist, and recognize that different cultures can be said to possess metaphoric "personalities" that shift with historical struggle. . . I presented no evidence that I thought of Mr. Cox in such a crude manner. To disagree is not a mental illness. . . Brian
Re: The rise of an emotion based left was Bush using drugs
Speaking of autism, read -- if you haven't already -- Mark Haddon's The Serious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time, an outstanding first novel by a British writer with a background in working with autistic kids. Very funny and empathetic, about one such terrifically engaging 15 year old. MG - Original Message - From: Devine, James To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [PEN-L] The rise of an emotion based left was Bush using drugs I agree: as I've said before, people such as Castro and Noriega are dismissed as "crazy" by establishmentarian figures. As someone who deals with the community of parents of kids on the autistic spectrum, I'm always fighting the urge (not just by others) to diagnose various people as autistic, Asperger's, etc. without actually knowing them personally and therapeutically. (These people include Albert Einstein, Bill Gates, the fictional Napoleon Dynamite, etc.) Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine -Original Message-From: PEN-L list [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Brian McKennaSent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 8:18 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [PEN-L] The rise of an emotion based left was Bush using drugsHi all,I disagree strongly with this view. . .Mental health tags are continually used to discredit whistleblowers, Marxists, and others who challenge orthodoxy. This reproduces the dominant view that mental health questions only pertain to individuals, particularly those individuals who are not conformist in a pernicious hierarchical social order. It also reproduces the Western view that mental health applies to isolated individuals, not societies and their leaders. . .Bush on the Couch is a very important work that brings bourgeois psychoanalysts and phsycologists beyond the clinic and applies their insights to the true sources of perversion in the land.Yes, there is a danger in this. . .but the prevailing ideology of individual causation of disease and illness, captured in the dominant ideology of biomedicine is far, far worse. . .Marx and others are fair game for this analysis as well. . .Brian McKenna
Re: The rise of an emotion based left was Bush using drugs
Sorry. The title is The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time. - Original Message - From: Devine, James To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [PEN-L] The rise of an emotion based left was Bush using drugs I agree: as I've said before, people such as Castro and Noriega are dismissed as "crazy" by establishmentarian figures. As someone who deals with the community of parents of kids on the autistic spectrum, I'm always fighting the urge (not just by others) to diagnose various people as autistic, Asperger's, etc. without actually knowing them personally and therapeutically. (These people include Albert Einstein, Bill Gates, the fictional Napoleon Dynamite, etc.) Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine -Original Message-From: PEN-L list [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Brian McKennaSent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 8:18 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [PEN-L] The rise of an emotion based left was Bush using drugsHi all,I disagree strongly with this view. . .Mental health tags are continually used to discredit whistleblowers, Marxists, and others who challenge orthodoxy. This reproduces the dominant view that mental health questions only pertain to individuals, particularly those individuals who are not conformist in a pernicious hierarchical social order. It also reproduces the Western view that mental health applies to isolated individuals, not societies and their leaders. . .Bush on the Couch is a very important work that brings bourgeois psychoanalysts and phsycologists beyond the clinic and applies their insights to the true sources of perversion in the land.Yes, there is a danger in this. . .but the prevailing ideology of individual causation of disease and illness, captured in the dominant ideology of biomedicine is far, far worse. . .Marx and others are fair game for this analysis as well. . .Brian McKenna
