Re: CPAN Testers - Author Notification System
2008/9/11 Barbie [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Today I'm pleased to announce the launch of the CPAN Testers' Collated Email Notification of Tester Reports for Authors Service [1] This rocks! By having one email a day with all the failure reports, I get a better idea of which distributions people are actually testing that are failing. Thanks Barbie! Leon
Re: CPAN Testers - Author Notification System
Hi, 2008/9/12 David Landgren [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Barbie wrote, some time around 11/09/2008 16:19: Today I'm pleased to announce the launch of the CPAN Testers' Collated Email Notification of Tester Reports for Authors Service [1], a Hmm, L is always a bit of a bastard to backronymise It sends out e-mails once a day, right? How about Collated Email Notification of Tester Reports for Authors at Lunchtime? Another possibility: CPANtred (CPAN tester reports everyday). Not surprisingly, only one hit on Google - so it fits in with Aristotle's requirement of being easy to find. cheers, Gaurav
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On Sep 11, 2008, at 15:18, Michael G Schwern wrote: There also doesn't appear to be a way to get just the failures so I have to figure out how to twiddle my RSS reader to filter out the passes. Barbie says he's worked in a patch from me that will allow you to subscribe to a feed with only fails in it. But it doesn't solve the much bigger problem: how do I reply to an RSS feed? The RSS feed doesn't contain any information about the failure, so I've still got to play the clicky-link dance. Yeah, for he FAILs-only, I'd love to see the body of the report in the feed. And then a link to mail the reporter that would popup my mailer with the To: and Subject: headers filled out, plus maybe the NNTP archive link to the report in the body. That'd work perfectly for me. Barbie, is there a repo for this? If so, I can send a patch for that, too. PS Google Reader does not like http://testers.cpan.org/author/MSCHWERN.rss I just get no items and title unknown. NewsFire can handle it, after a long delay probably parsing the 6803 items. NetNewsWire Lite was smart enough to only grab the first 500. Maybe Google Reader is just choking on the size. Probably. Hence my desire for a feed with only FAILs. Best, DAvid
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On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 09:00:48AM -0700, David E. Wheeler wrote: Yeah, for he FAILs-only, I'd love to see the body of the report in the feed. And then a link to mail the reporter that would popup my mailer with the To: and Subject: headers filled out, plus maybe the NNTP archive link to the report in the body. That'd work perfectly for me. Barbie, is there a repo for this? If so, I can send a patch for that, too. Not yet, but there will be Real Soon (tm) PS Google Reader does not like http://testers.cpan.org/author/MSCHWERN.rss I just get no items and title unknown. NewsFire can handle it, after a long delay probably parsing the 6803 items. NetNewsWire Lite was smart enough to only grab the first 500. Maybe Google Reader is just choking on the size. Probably. Hence my desire for a feed with only FAILs. The new version only lists the last 100 entries for each Author RSS Feed, and the last 200 entries for the Recent RSS Feed. Cheers, Barbie. -- Birmingham Perl Mongers http://birmingham.pm.org Memoirs Of A Roadie http://barbie.missbarbell.co.uk
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On 11 Sep 2008, at 15:19, Barbie wrote: [snip good stuff about test reports] Thank you! :) -- Andy Armstrong, Hexten
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On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 7:19 AM, Barbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [1] If you can think of a suitable word beginning with 'L' to replace 'Service' let me know ;) Labors? I got my first such note this morning, and greatly appreciate it! -- Randy J. Ray / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Silicon Valley Scale Modelers: http://www.svsm.org Sunnyvale, CA
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# from Randy J. Ray # on Thursday 11 September 2008 12:22: [1] If you can think of a suitable word beginning with 'L' to replace 'Service' let me know ;) Labors? CENTRAS would probably google better than CENTRAL, but my thought was too bad Xs aren't cool anymore (hmm, but could you pull it off as 'retro'?) Or you could just drop the last letter (or two as it evolves (note, btw, that Email nicely switches to Electronic)), but for L... I got nothing. I got my first such note this morning, and greatly appreciate it! barbie++ --Eric -- Don't worry about what anybody else is going to do. The best way to predict the future is to invent it. --Alan Kay --- http://scratchcomputing.com ---
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Barbie wrote: The notification system will run once a day and collate a list of the links to the reports via the web interface on the NNTP server. As such, you will no longer receive huge reports in your inbox, but at most just one email a day containing a list of links to your reports. You can then view them at your leisure. If you have any problems with the notifications themselves, please let me know, and I would welcome any suggestions for improvements. Great work! Now, on with the complaining! At first glance this new system is going to generate a lot more work per report. Let's step through the old procedure... 1. Read report 2. Reply to report Ok, great. Maybe I got a lot of email, but I can deal with that, and the reports came in immediately and spread out over time. I can manage if I want to deal with each immediately or at a later time. Once I deal with one I can just delete it, removing it from the queue. Now let's look at the new system. 1. Wait until the end of the day for email. 2. Click link in email. 3. Pull focus back to email after my browser stole it. (Admittedly, not your fault, but a common behavior I'm sure) 4. Goto 2 until all links clicked on. 5. Read web page. 6. Copy tester id 7. Go to magic Find A Tester URL 8. Paste tester id (which, at the moment, is responding with a blank page) 9. Copy tester email address 10. Goto mail client 11. Compose new message 12. Paste tester email address 13. CC cpan-testers 14. Go back to browser 15. Copy subject line 16. Go back to mail client 17. Paste subject line 18. Add re 19. Go back to browser 20. Copy message 21. Go back to mail client 22. Paste message as quotation 23. Add Such and such wrote: to the top 24. Reply to email 25. Goto 5. Ick. I hope I'm missing something obvious maybe? Additionally, I no longer get immediate reports, so I have to wait until the end of the day to fix a problem. I lose the ability to decide when to deal with failure reports. This means obvious, stupid failures are going to pile up. I won't be surprised if I get a lot more FAIL reports just because of stupid mistakes remaining unfixed longer, each one of which I have to manually check. Because they all come in at one lump, I have to deal with them in one lump. There's no easy system to tell which ones I've dealt with (previously I'd just delete the mail) and which ones I haven't. The way it looks right now, I want my CC's back. :( -- 164. There is no such thing as a were-virgin. -- The 213 Things Skippy Is No Longer Allowed To Do In The U.S. Army http://skippyslist.com/list/
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On Sep 11, 2008, at 14:17, Michael G Schwern wrote: Because they all come in at one lump, I have to deal with them in one lump. There's no easy system to tell which ones I've dealt with (previously I'd just delete the mail) and which ones I haven't. The way it looks right now, I want my CC's back. :( Use the RSS feed instead. Best, David
Re: CPAN Testers - Author Notification System
Barbie wrote, some time around 11/09/2008 16:19: Today I'm pleased to announce the launch of the CPAN Testers' Collated Email Notification of Tester Reports for Authors Service [1], a [...] [1] If you can think of a suitable word beginning with 'L' to replace 'Service' let me know ;) Hmm, L is always a bit of a bastard to backronymise link log letterbox David -- stubborn tiny lights vs. clustering darkness forever ok?
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David E. Wheeler wrote: On Sep 11, 2008, at 14:17, Michael G Schwern wrote: Because they all come in at one lump, I have to deal with them in one lump. There's no easy system to tell which ones I've dealt with (previously I'd just delete the mail) and which ones I haven't. The way it looks right now, I want my CC's back. :( Use the RSS feed instead. That sort of solves one problem, but I don't live in an RSS reader, I live in email. There also doesn't appear to be a way to get just the failures so I have to figure out how to twiddle my RSS reader to filter out the passes. But it doesn't solve the much bigger problem: how do I reply to an RSS feed? The RSS feed doesn't contain any information about the failure, so I've still got to play the clicky-link dance. PS Google Reader does not like http://testers.cpan.org/author/MSCHWERN.rss I just get no items and title unknown. NewsFire can handle it, after a long delay probably parsing the 6803 items. NetNewsWire Lite was smart enough to only grab the first 500. Maybe Google Reader is just choking on the size. -- 185. My name is not a killing word. -- The 213 Things Skippy Is No Longer Allowed To Do In The U.S. Army http://skippyslist.com/list/
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On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 02:17:41PM -0700, Michael G Schwern wrote: Ick. I hope I'm missing something obvious maybe? The bit where I get flamed. Again. Thanks. Can you explain how you survived previously when testers would wait several days before testing distributions? When you'd get a trickle of reports? It wasn't that long ago. Additionally, I no longer get immediate reports, so I have to wait until the end of the day to fix a problem. They'll be sent out early morning (~2am) UK time, so should be waiting in you inbox first think in the morning. Sorry to have caused everyone so much inconvience. Barbie. -- Birmingham Perl Mongers http://birmingham.pm.org Memoirs Of A Roadie http://barbie.missbarbell.co.uk
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On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 01:35:07PM -0700, Eric Wilhelm wrote: # from Randy J. Ray # on Thursday 11 September 2008 12:22: [1] If you can think of a suitable word beginning with 'L' to replace 'Service' let me know ;) Labors? for L... I got nothing. I spent far more time than I should have trying to work 'Liturgy' into it. It's probably a good thing that I failed. -- David Cantrell | top google result for topless karaoke murders
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On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 02:17:41PM -0700, Michael G Schwern wrote: The way it looks right now, I want my CC's back. :( My understanding of The Plan is that you will be able to get them back soon, once that bit is written. -- David Cantrell | Reality Engineer, Ministry of Information NANOG makes me want to unplug everything and hide under the bed -- brian d foy
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Barbie wrote: On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 02:17:41PM -0700, Michael G Schwern wrote: Ick. I hope I'm missing something obvious maybe? The bit where I get flamed. Again. Thanks. You're welcome. :) Oh, you're in a hellish spot, I realize. And it sucks. Thank you very much for putting so much work into it. I realize it's in a transitional period, and commenting on works-in-progress can be annoying, but I wanted to give an honest report so the final interface comes out well. The timing sucks, but hey, failure reports drive development, right? ;) Where do I send the beer? Can you explain how you survived previously when testers would wait several days before testing distributions? When you'd get a trickle of reports? It wasn't that long ago. Having no obvious indication that there was a problem, the failure mode from my POV being silence, I had no idea any of that was happening. So I was ignorant (see also: bliss). ;) If there was some invisible, backend snafu that got fixed, thank you very much. Additionally, I no longer get immediate reports, so I have to wait until the end of the day to fix a problem. They'll be sent out early morning (~2am) UK time, so should be waiting in you inbox first think in the morning. Ok, I have to wait until the beginning of the next day to fix the problem. -- Defender of Lexical Encapsulation
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On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Michael G Schwern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The way it looks right now, I want my CC's back. :( Well, I guess we win some and we lose some. Just brainstorming for the moment, but if we had an option to forward all your FAIL or UNKNOWN reports to the distribution's RT queue, would that serve? You'd get the RT email notification, plus you'd have the senders email with it, plus you'd have it in a tracking system where you could decide priority, merge it to existing bug reports or just close it out if you determine it's bogus. Possible variation (a) -- just forward the *first* FAIL/UNKNOWN report for a distribution/perl/osname tuple so your RT queue isn't deluged Possible variation (b) -- forward from the central bot back to your author email or arbitrary email (e.g. project mailing list) The batch is a temporary fix to keep info flowing while we get things centralized. Once it's centralized, we can continue to innovate smart ways to redistribute reports. -- David
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On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 6:51 PM, Michael G Schwern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They'll be sent out early morning (~2am) UK time, so should be waiting in you inbox first think in the morning. Ok, I have to wait until the beginning of the next day to fix the problem. FYI, I have 90% of my POE nag bot to hassle (oops, I mean remind) CPAN Testers to upgrade Test::Reporter. It build on a POE::Component to tail the NNTP feed. Once I put that POE::Component on CPAN (soon), it should be a pretty trivial matter to whip up a script to reflect emails for your distributions to you. I might even write that for the examples directory. Then you can fire it up on a server of your choice and get your CC's back -- but you'll be in control, you can filter to your heart's content, etc. -- David
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In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Golden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Michael G Schwern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The way it looks right now, I want my CC's back. :( Well, I guess we win some and we lose some. Just brainstorming for the moment, but if we had an option to forward all your FAIL or UNKNOWN reports to the distribution's RT queue Ouch. Some people might want that, but only as an opt-in thing please. I have the same view as Schwern: getting individual email reports for every fail meant that they could live in my email. When they live in my email, I clean them out as I fix them. If it is in my email folder, it's an open issue. If it's not, it's not. :) Today I considering writing a bot to listen to cpan-testers and simply resend individual reports to me, depending on how quickly the opt-in stuff gets set up and if it actually works.
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On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 7:32 PM, brian d foy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just brainstorming for the moment, but if we had an option to forward all your FAIL or UNKNOWN reports to the distribution's RT queue Ouch. Some people might want that, but only as an opt-in thing please. Purely opt-in. CPAN Testers is going to be an opt-in service very, very soon now. Today I considering writing a bot to listen to cpan-testers and simply resend individual reports to me, depending on how quickly the opt-in stuff gets set up and if it actually works. Give me until next week, OK? I'll write one that you can download from CPAN. -- David
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* Eric Wilhelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-09-11 22:40]: CENTRAS would probably google better than CENTRAL It seems to be a moderately popular business name and also appears to be a word in several languages. It won’t be as bad as googling “CENTRAL” but it won’t be exactly ideal either. However, if the name ends in “… for Authors on PAUSE” then we get “CENTRAP” instead, which already has Google hits, but merely a few hundred. We’d probably take over the top spots very easily. Plus, I kinda like it. The “trap” allusion could be interpreted several ways… :-) * David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-09-12 00:50]: I spent far more time than I should have trying to work 'Liturgy' into it. I thought of suggesting that, as a joke. Then I thought, nah. Regards, -- Aristotle Pagaltzis // http://plasmasturm.org/
