Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
Yes, I believe they are neoprene, and they are .02 thick. Id have to go back and look at the price guide to see what they cost. Considering what was left of the old gaskets, and putting in the new ones, and doing the bearing job on it, it sounds great. It's amazing the amount of sound generated from that little Orthophonic! Not quite a Credenza, but very respectable for what it is. I was going to sell the 4-20, but not anymore :) I still like my Credenza too. It's fun to tell new visitors there isn't an electric amplifier in there, most of the time they look at me like I wasn't telling the truth. Jim - Original Message - From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question... And neoprene? Very thin? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Jim K Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 2:42 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question... I just got some from Ron Sitko to rebuild the reproducer on my 4-20 and they are nice, and very reasonable as well. Jim - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question... Hello Al, The original looks like paper coated with shellac to me. I have spoken to people who rebuild them and they tell me you get better sound from neoprene. I would assume Ron Sitko is selling them. Steve From: clockworkh...@aol.com Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 05:26:27 -0400 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question... Does anyone on this learned list know what material was used as gaskets on the Victor Orthophonic reproducer? I have been asked to make a punch and die to cut them out but if someone is already making them I don't intend on reinventing the wheel. Thanks and best wishes to all on the list, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Columbia Englewood Musicalphone
I have an Englewood Musicalphone made by Columbia. It uses a horn similar to a Busybee Grand. I need some information on the horn and elbow. The outside of the horn is blue with a sunburst on the inside, from what I was told. I'd like to know what the color scheme of the inside sunburst pattern is. The elbow fits into the small end of the horn like what you would see on a cylinder horn, and then into the Analyzing reproducer. The elbow is similar to a front mount AY or AR. Any information, pictures or a sale of the horn or elbow will be greatly appreciated. Harvey Kravitz ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
I know what you mean about the little Orthos. I like the sound of my Granada, and it does not even have the folded horn! (I am looking for a new home for the Granada though, in case anyone desires it. The Granada lives in North Attleborough, MA) Ron -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Jim K Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 2:22 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question... Yes, I believe they are neoprene, and they are .02 thick. Id have to go back and look at the price guide to see what they cost. Considering what was left of the old gaskets, and putting in the new ones, and doing the bearing job on it, it sounds great. It's amazing the amount of sound generated from that little Orthophonic! Not quite a Credenza, but very respectable for what it is. I was going to sell the 4-20, but not anymore :) I still like my Credenza too. It's fun to tell new visitors there isn't an electric amplifier in there, most of the time they look at me like I wasn't telling the truth. Jim - Original Message - From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question... And neoprene? Very thin? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Jim K Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 2:42 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question... I just got some from Ron Sitko to rebuild the reproducer on my 4-20 and they are nice, and very reasonable as well. Jim - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question... Hello Al, The original looks like paper coated with shellac to me. I have spoken to people who rebuild them and they tell me you get better sound from neoprene. I would assume Ron Sitko is selling them. Steve From: clockworkh...@aol.com Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 05:26:27 -0400 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question... Does anyone on this learned list know what material was used as gaskets on the Victor Orthophonic reproducer? I have been asked to make a punch and die to cut them out but if someone is already making them I don't intend on reinventing the wheel. Thanks and best wishes to all on the list, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Englewood Musicalphone
Hi I have a Musicalphone. If you can get on the talking machine forum go to page no 28. Go to number 30 and click on it. My machine is there. It's the way I got it from charley hunnel. Hope that helps. harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com wrote: I have an Englewood Musicalphone made by Columbia. It uses a horn similar to a Busybee Grand. I need some information on the horn and elbow. The outside of the horn is blue with a sunburst on the inside, from what I was told. I'd like to know what the color scheme of the inside sunburst pattern is. The elbow fits into the small end of the horn like what you would see on a cylinder horn, and then into the Analyzing reproducer. The elbow is similar to a front mount AY or AR. Any information, pictures or a sale of the horn or elbow will be greatly appreciated. Harvey Kravitz ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] O/T: Capehart 414N-1
I realize that electronic phonos are a bit off-topic for this forum, but for those of you who can really appreciate a fine Capehart, here's a rare find: A 414N-1 with the VERY hard to find 41E-2 flipover changer: eBay Item #150426006960 This is the last version of the 41E changer that has the interchangeable tonearms and plays both 78 and 33rpm microgroove records, circa 1949. I'm posting this here to try to rescue this unit from the grimy clutches of the Western Weenies who are going to buy this console ONLY to rip out the Western Electric speaker from it so that they can mount it under glass and drool over it. Note that there is already a bidder question posted about wanting to see the speaker. Then they'll sell off the N-1 power amp with the 2A3 output triodes to some golden ear tube yahoos. Then they'll simply junk the rest of the console or turn it into a liquor cabinet. That would be a particular shame since this is appears to be a really nice and complete original example of a fine, RARE Capehart. Trust me: the 41E-2 machines are RARE! Let's see one of our Phono-L members give this complete unit the home it deserves. This model is particularly easy to enjoy while you're not playing records as it has t he modern FM radio band which means you can actually listen to good radio programs on it. In glorious monophonic sound, of course. I don't have a problem with collectors mounting things under glass to admire, but to destroy a perfectly good, working piece of fine equipment just to preserve one part of it really grinds my gears. I'd bid on it, but I don't have room for it. Greg Bogantz ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] O/T: Capehart 414N-1
I'm with you all the way, Greg. I'll possibly bid on this thing, but I'll most certainly get sniped out to outer space, and lose it. There are just too many points of profit here for the hogs that look for them. Lately, I have bid on a couple og things that might be nice, but was sniped far beyond the bidding level. I've found that Craigslist is far and beyond the abominable eBay. My Capehart is similar, but different cabinet, P-P 6L6, and 78 only changer. I'm trying to get a DVD for you, but this stupid computer won't copy it. I have a Capehart 2A3 amp laying among my shrunken skulls. [Original Message] From: Greg Bogantz gbogan...@charter.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 3/23/2010 5:46:56 PM Subject: [Phono-L] O/T: Capehart 414N-1 I realize that electronic phonos are a bit off-topic for this forum, but for those of you who can really appreciate a fine Capehart, here's a rare find: A 414N-1 with the VERY hard to find 41E-2 flipover changer: eBay Item #150426006960 This is the last version of the 41E changer that has the interchangeable tonearms and plays both 78 and 33rpm microgroove records, circa 1949. I'm posting this here to try to rescue this unit from the grimy clutches of the Western Weenies who are going to buy this console ONLY to rip out the Western Electric speaker from it so that they can mount it under glass and drool over it. Note that there is already a bidder question posted about wanting to see the speaker. Then they'll sell off the N-1 power amp with the 2A3 output triodes to some golden ear tube yahoos. Then they'll simply junk the rest of the console or turn it into a liquor cabinet. That would be a particular shame since this is appears to be a really nice and complete original example of a fine, RARE Capehart. Trust me: the 41E-2 machines are RARE! Let's see one of our Phono-L members give this complete unit the home it deserves. This model is particularly easy to enjoy while you're not playing records as it has t he modern FM radio band which means you can actually listen to good radio programs on it. In glorious monophonic sound, of course. I don't have a problem with collectors mounting things under glass to admire, but to destroy a perfectly good, working piece of fine equipment just to preserve one part of it really grinds my gears. I'd bid on it, but I don't have room for it. Greg Bogantz ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] O/T: Capehart 414N-1
Greg, I have noted that you and several members like the Capehart units . I have seen a few of them here in Arizona from time to time.-I know nothing about them. There is one for sale now on Craigslist a model # B-1002-F. Owner says that it has been in his family for 60 years. He has original instruction manual as well as bill of sale and is asking $750.00. Any comments about it or price? Thx Abe Feder On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Greg Bogantz gbogan...@charter.net wrote: I realize that electronic phonos are a bit off-topic for this forum, but for those of you who can really appreciate a fine Capehart, here's a rare find: A 414N-1 with the VERY hard to find 41E-2 flipover changer: eBay Item #150426006960 This is the last version of the 41E changer that has the interchangeable tonearms and plays both 78 and 33rpm microgroove records, circa 1949. I'm posting this here to try to rescue this unit from the grimy clutches of the Western Weenies who are going to buy this console ONLY to rip out the Western Electric speaker from it so that they can mount it under glass and drool over it. Note that there is already a bidder question posted about wanting to see the speaker. Then they'll sell off the N-1 power amp with the 2A3 output triodes to some golden ear tube yahoos. Then they'll simply junk the rest of the console or turn it into a liquor cabinet. That would be a particular shame since this is appears to be a really nice and complete original example of a fine, RARE Capehart. Trust me: the 41E-2 machines are RARE! Let's see one of our Phono-L members give this complete unit the home it deserves. This model is particularly easy to enjoy while you're not playing records as it has t he modern FM radio band which means you can actually listen to good radio programs on it. In glorious monophonic sound, of course. I don't have a problem with collectors mounting things under glass to admire, but to destroy a perfectly good, working piece of fine equipment just to preserve one part of it really grinds my gears. I'd bid on it, but I don't have room for it. Greg Bogantz ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] O/T: Capehart 414N-1
Abe, the Capehart radio/phonos made from the mid 1930s to about 1950 were among the very finest, most exclusive models available in the USA. With very few exceptions such as the D-22 and the QU-8 which actually used a Capehart 16E changer and the postwar Berkshire series, ALL of which are very rare, RCA had nothing to compare. Aside from a very few other specialty makers such as E.H. Scott and McMurdo Silver, there were were no radio/phonos available in the USA that compared with the Capeharts. That's why these Capeharts are held in such high regard by collectors today. There were two common series made during these years, the 100 and the 400 series (model number were in these ranges). The 100 series was the cheaper one with smaller amplifiers and less elaborate cabinetry. The 400 series looked similar to the 100 series, but they usually (not always) had more and/or larger amplifiers and more expensive speakers and more elaborate cabinets. There was also a much rarer 300 series which were tall-boy cabinets with the components stacked vertically, and the EXTREMELY RARE 500 series which were the SUPER deluxe models available usually by special, customized order only. All these series used the exclusive Capehart flipover record changers. The early (prewar) record changers were the 16E models (several variations), and the postwar changers were the 41E models which are easily identifiable by their chromed, tubular tonearms. All these changers played only 78rpm until the 41E-2 model which came out about late 1948. This model had interchangeable TONEARMS (not just headshells) that provided for either 78rpm or for microgroove 33rpm playback. The 41E-2 was made for only a short time (probably less than 2 years) before Capehart discontinued the flipover changers completely and went to cheaper drop-type changers, most of which were furnished by VM (Voice of Music). These later Capeharts (starting around 1950) used a different numbering system and were cheapened considerably from the early 100 and 400 series. These later Capeharts are not very collectible and do not bring high prices from collectors. The B-1002-F model that you have mentioned in Arizona is an example of one of these later, post 1950 models. It would probably bring around $200 in nice condition. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: Abe Feder abefed...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] O/T: Capehart 414N-1 Greg, I have noted that you and several members like the Capehart units . I have seen a few of them here in Arizona from time to time.-I know nothing about them. There is one for sale now on Craigslist a model # B-1002-F. Owner says that it has been in his family for 60 years. He has original instruction manual as well as bill of sale and is asking $750.00. Any comments about it or price? Thx Abe Feder On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Greg Bogantz gbogan...@charter.net wrote: I realize that electronic phonos are a bit off-topic for this forum, but for those of you who can really appreciate a fine Capehart, here's a rare find: A 414N-1 with the VERY hard to find 41E-2 flipover changer: eBay Item #150426006960 This is the last version of the 41E changer that has the interchangeable tonearms and plays both 78 and 33rpm microgroove records, circa 1949. I'm posting this here to try to rescue this unit from the grimy clutches of the Western Weenies who are going to buy this console ONLY to rip out the Western Electric speaker from it so that they can mount it under glass and drool over it. Note that there is already a bidder question posted about wanting to see the speaker. Then they'll sell off the N-1 power amp with the 2A3 output triodes to some golden ear tube yahoos. Then they'll simply junk the rest of the console or turn it into a liquor cabinet. That would be a particular shame since this is appears to be a really nice and complete original example of a fine, RARE Capehart. Trust me: the 41E-2 machines are RARE! Let's see one of our Phono-L members give this complete unit the home it deserves. This model is particularly easy to enjoy while you're not playing records as it has t he modern FM radio band which means you can actually listen to good radio programs on it. In glorious monophonic sound, of course. I don't have a problem with collectors mounting things under glass to admire, but to destroy a perfectly good, working piece of fine equipment just to preserve one part of it really grinds my gears. I'd bid on it, but I don't have room for it. Greg Bogantz ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Englewood Musicalphone
Allen, I guess I wasn't clear. From what I can see in the picture of the Englewood Musicalphone in the first compendium book, the horn looks like a cylinder horn. The special elbow fits on the small end of the horn. Then it fits into the Analyzing reproducer. it looks similar to the elbow that fits on an AY or BY. If you have any pictures of this elbow and the sunburst pattern of the horn, it will be greatly appreciated. Harvey Kravitz From: allena...@aol.com allena...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 4:29:01 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Englewood Musicalphone In a message dated 3/23/2010 3:01:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, harveykrav...@yahoo.com writes: Any information, pictures or a sale of the horn or elbow will be greatly appreciatedI have an Englewood Musicalphone made by Columbia What is the evidence that this machine was made/sold BY Columbia? According to The Trademarks of Recorded Sound, the 'Musicalphone' term was trademarked by the Englewood Co of Illinois (Consolidated Factories). They may have also used the phrase: 'Silver Tongued.' Allen _www.phonobooks.com_ (http://www.phonobooks.com) ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] O/T: Capehart 414N-1
After reading the messages below I had to see what this looked like. I must admit that I have never seen this model before. Once I opened the item number I was in love!! Anybody that would do harm to this unit is crazy. It is a shame that people would do this to such piece, but we have all seen it happened. It would be a shame to loose such a piece for some body with more money than brains. I hope who ever buys this does not rip it apart. I have been very unlucky with bidding on electric phonographs in the past I now have 4 different phonographs that all were supposed to be in working order but once I opened the boxes I found out that I had been taken. There are too many people on ebay that will rip you off and they know that it cost too much to return the items so they can say what ever they want. I would love to have a working phonograph from the 1940's but I only have ebay as a way to look for this stuff and after 4 times of being ripped off I won't do it again. In case you are wondering why I only use ebay, it is because I am a disabled vet and I am mostly confined to a bed and a wheel chair. I am not able to get out much to even hunt down leads or go to estate sales. I do have two table top Victor and one Edison Floor model, but I would one day love to find a wooden table top phonograph with radio. It is possible that one of the four units I have purchased may be able to be repair but I am not able to do that type of work because of the injuries. Does anybody live in Lehigh Acres Florida that works on these? Thanks and lets hope that the Cape Hart finds the nice home that it deserves. Bill --- On Tue, 3/23/10, Douglas Houston cdh...@earthlink.net wrote: From: Douglas Houston cdh...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] O/T: Capehart 414N-1 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 6:20 PM I'm with you all the way, Greg. I'll possibly bid on this thing, but I'll most certainly get sniped out to outer space, and lose it. There are just too many points of profit here for the hogs that look for them. Lately, I have bid on a couple og things that might be nice, but was sniped far beyond the bidding level. I've found that Craigslist is far and beyond the abominable eBay. My Capehart is similar, but different cabinet, P-P 6L6, and 78 only changer. I'm trying to get a DVD for you, but this stupid computer won't copy it. I have a Capehart 2A3 amp laying among my shrunken skulls. [Original Message] From: Greg Bogantz gbogan...@charter.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 3/23/2010 5:46:56 PM Subject: [Phono-L] O/T: Capehart 414N-1 I realize that electronic phonos are a bit off-topic for this forum, but for those of you who can really appreciate a fine Capehart, here's a rare find: A 414N-1 with the VERY hard to find 41E-2 flipover changer: eBay Item #150426006960 This is the last version of the 41E changer that has the interchangeable tonearms and plays both 78 and 33rpm microgroove records, circa 1949. I'm posting this here to try to rescue this unit from the grimy clutches of the Western Weenies who are going to buy this console ONLY to rip out the Western Electric speaker from it so that they can mount it under glass and drool over it. Note that there is already a bidder question posted about wanting to see the speaker. Then they'll sell off the N-1 power amp with the 2A3 output triodes to some golden ear tube yahoos. Then they'll simply junk the rest of the console or turn it into a liquor cabinet. That would be a particular shame since this is appears to be a really nice and complete original example of a fine, RARE Capehart. Trust me: the 41E-2 machines are RARE! Let's see one of our Phono-L members give this complete unit the home it deserves. This model is particularly easy to enjoy while you're not playing records as it has t he modern FM radio band which means you can actually listen to good radio programs on it. In glorious monophonic sound, of course. I don't have a problem with collectors mounting things under glass to admire, but to destroy a perfectly good, working piece of fine equipment just to preserve one part of it really grinds my gears. I'd bid on it, but I don't have room for it. Greg Bogantz ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Englewood Musicalphone
In a message dated 3/23/2010 8:43:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, harveykrav...@yahoo.com writes: If you have any pictures of this elbow and the sunburst pattern of the horn, it will be greatly appreciated. --- Hi Harvey, No photos unfortunately, just the research on the name. They (Englewood) said it was first placed on sale in July of 1904. No mention of Columbia in the trademark application. Allen ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Englewood Musicalphone
Hi Allen, Englewood was made by Columbia. BTW, do you have a picture of a Columbia AY or AR elbow? Harvey Kravitz From: allena...@aol.com allena...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 4:51:46 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Englewood Musicalphone In a message dated 3/23/2010 8:43:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, harveykrav...@yahoo.com writes: If you have any pictures of this elbow and the sunburst pattern of the horn, it will be greatly appreciated. --- Hi Harvey, No photos unfortunately, just the research on the name. They (Englewood) said it was first placed on sale in July of 1904. No mention of Columbia in the trademark application. Allen ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Englewood Musicalphone
In a message dated 3/23/2010 9:06:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, harveykrav...@yahoo.com writes: BTW, do you have a picture of a Columbia AY or AR elbow? -- Hi No photos unfortunately. Did Columbia make this model (Musicalphone) for Columbia? If so, what is the evidence? allen ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
I've rebuilt a couple of the suitcase soundboxes, but I removed the sound-deadening cover and cloth. Then I added some spare bearing covers and screwed them on (since the covered version doesn't have them.) I have a Credenza and a 10-50 and only had these really nice 5Bs that I got cheap, so I just made them look a lot closer to 5As. Plus without the cover they are about 14 grams lighter. I do have a real #5 too, for when I have company over : ) As for the gaskets, I've used some that came in the rebuild kits I've bought that seem like they are made out of hard paper of some kind, maybe waxed. But I've also made some myself out of some mylar material. They all sealed fine as long as the back is tightened well. I like to put a light smear of 3-in-1 oil on the gaskets too just to help with the sealing, and also helps to keep the gaskets from sticking if I need to take it apart again. Perhaps wax or other material might be better for that. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Coin machine or jukebox needles?
There was no shaping of the end of the wire on Victor Tungstones. I just confirmed that by looking at a couple of NOS Tungstones that I have. The wire was sheared to essentially a flat end shape. That documentation on the net that shows Victor drawings of how the needles were made shows some kind of burnishing thing rubbing on the end of the tip, at an angle, after it has been mounted in the shank. Perhaps this was just done to remove any sharp burrs that were left after the cut, and not to grind in a perfect end on the wire. Makes sense since every record groove is a little different, and the end is going to get ground down immediately anyway. But as noted, any fresh tungsten needle should be played on a junk record first. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
