Re: [Phono-L] Any idea around what serial number the banner Home case was dropped?
While we're at it gang, I'd love to know the range of serial numbers within which the early red banner (originally placed on the lid) appeared on the front of the Home case. Michael K. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 15, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Mike Tucker mtucker1...@gmail.com wrote: I have 205836 with a banner. Records are not up to date so will try to see if any are higher. Mike Tucker On 16/12/2012 2:59 PM, George Paul wrote: I know - - I was just being a smart ass. The Edison Phonograph Monthly announced the end of the banner decals on all models in the September 1906 issue. Taking into account the set-up for that issue occurring in August, about the closest I can estimate is that the Home lost the banner decal around serial No.210,000 or a bit earlier depending on how long the change had been in effect when it was announced in the EPM that ...all models are now being sent out... with the new decal. A safe range would probably be between 205,000 and 210,000. George P. -Original Message- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, Dec 15, 2012 10:25 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Any idea around what serial number the banner Home case was dropped? That is what I meant to ask. I wish I could afford an editor. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Home Banner to Script
Hi Steve: My notes show Home Model B #217170 and earlier having the full black banner varnish transfer. The first Home with the simple Edison script I have a note on is #217743. After that all are script. One must ignore machines that are anomalies due to cabinet swaps and refinishing with modern water transfer decals. One has to cringe and chuckle at the same time when a Home D shows up with a banner label which the seller states is all original and in mint condition. I hope that helps. Regards, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Red Banner Long Case Edison Home A
Hello Michael: You will find the red banner range of the Model A 'long case' Home to be from the introduction of the 'New Cabinet' style to H52234 which is the highest I have confirmed. By H52251 the black banner has been used and the red is history. I have seen a seller on eBay with a refinished Home B cabinet using a modern red banner decal declare the machine to be an all original rare and highly desirable red banner Home. Again, this makes me want to scream at the computer... Regards, Al PS: The 'New Style Cabinet' came in just before 41000. So, about 12,000 red banner long case Home As were made. -Original Message- From: Michael F. Khanchalian mfkhanchal...@altrionet.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, Dec 16, 2012 12:02 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Any idea around what serial number the banner Home case was dropped? While we're at it gang, I'd love to know the range of serial numbers within which the early red banner (originally placed on the lid) appeared on the front of the Home case. Michael K. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 15, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Mike Tucker mtucker1...@gmail.com wrote: I have 205836 with a banner. Records are not up to date so will try to see if any are higher. Mike Tucker On 16/12/2012 2:59 PM, George Paul wrote: I know - - I was just being a smart ass. The Edison Phonograph Monthly announced the end of the banner decals on all models in the September 1906 issue. Taking into account the set-up for that issue occurring in August, about the closest I can estimate is that the Home lost the banner decal around serial No.210,000 or a bit earlier depending on how long the change had been in effect when it was announced in the EPM that ...all models are now being sent out... with the new decal. A safe range would probably be between 205,000 and 210,000. George P. -Original Message- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, Dec 15, 2012 10:25 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Any idea around what serial number the banner Home case was dropped? That is what I meant to ask. I wish I could afford an editor. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Any idea around what serial number the banner Home case was dropped?
Hello George P, What is the lowest serial number home you have seen, do you know the reproducer type and serial number? Thanks for the research and all the answers. Steve To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: gpaul2...@aol.com Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 22:59:23 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Any idea around what serial number the banner Home case was dropped? I know - - I was just being a smart ass. The Edison Phonograph Monthly announced the end of the banner decals on all models in the September 1906 issue. Taking into account the set-up for that issue occurring in August, about the closest I can estimate is that the Home lost the banner decal around serial No.210,000 or a bit earlier depending on how long the change had been in effect when it was announced in the EPM that ...all models are now being sent out... with the new decal. A safe range would probably be between 205,000 and 210,000. George P. -Original Message- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, Dec 15, 2012 10:25 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Any idea around what serial number the banner Home case was dropped? That is what I meant to ask. I wish I could afford an editor. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Home Banner to Script
Al, Thanks for the results of your field studies. Edison sold approximately 8,000 Homes in Sept. 1906, so my supposition was off by at least a month's worth. Dealing with Edison, I should have known that it would have taken more time - not less - for the change to have taken place! Thanks again for the correction. George P. -Original Message- From: clockworkhome clockworkh...@aol.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, Dec 16, 2012 5:23 am Subject: [Phono-L] Home Banner to Script Hi Steve: My notes show Home Model B #217170 and earlier having the full black banner varnish transfer. The first Home with the simple Edison script I have a note on is #217743. After that all are script. One must ignore machines that are anomalies due to cabinet swaps and refinishing with modern water transfer decals. One has to cringe and chuckle at the same time when a Home D shows up with a banner label which the seller states is all original and in mint condition. I hope that helps. Regards, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Any idea around what serial number the banner Home case was dropped?
Is there a published source for looking up serial numbers to date a machine? Dave D --- On Sat, 12/15/12, George Paul gpaul2...@aol.com wrote: From: George Paul gpaul2...@aol.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Any idea around what serial number the banner Home case was dropped? To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Saturday, December 15, 2012, 10:59 PM I know - - I was just being a smart ass. The Edison Phonograph Monthly announced the end of the banner decals on all models in the September 1906 issue. Taking into account the set-up for that issue occurring in August, about the closest I can estimate is that the Home lost the banner decal around serial No.210,000 or a bit earlier depending on how long the change had been in effect when it was announced in the EPM that ...all models are now being sent out... with the new decal. A safe range would probably be between 205,000 and 210,000. George P. -Original Message- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, Dec 15, 2012 10:25 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Any idea around what serial number the banner Home case was dropped? That is what I meant to ask. I wish I could afford an editor. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Any idea around what serial number the banner Home case was dropped?
Steve, I've seen Home No.55. I didn't note what type of reproducer was on it, or other Homes during the suitcase research, because there's no way to know if they're the original reproducers. I've had collectors state that certain machines were all original - just as sold - but then it turns out the machine had already gone through the hands of 3 or 4 other collectors. So how do you know for sure? Even when purchased from the family of the original owner - who swear as they lead you to the attic that the machine has been untouched - we so often find obvious evidence to the contrary. Even 110 years ago, an Edison owner could exchange his Automatic or Standard Speaker for a Model C, and we've all seen evidence of this. George P. -Original Message- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, Dec 16, 2012 9:17 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Any idea around what serial number the banner Home case was dropped? Hello George P, What is the lowest serial number home you have seen, do you know the reproducer type and serial number? Thanks for the research and all the answers. Steve To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: gpaul2...@aol.com Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 22:59:23 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Any idea around what serial number the banner Home case was dropped? I know - - I was just being a smart ass. The Edison Phonograph Monthly announced the end of the banner decals on all models in the September 1906 issue. Taking into account the set-up for that issue occurring in August, about the closest I can estimate is that the Home lost the banner decal around serial No.210,000 or a bit earlier depending on how long the change had been in effect when it was announced in the EPM that ...all models are now being sent out... with the new decal. A safe range would probably be between 205,000 and 210,000. George P. -Original Message- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, Dec 15, 2012 10:25 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Any idea around what serial number the banner Home case was dropped? That is what I meant to ask. I wish I could afford an editor. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Any idea around what serial number the banner Home case was dropped?
No published source as yet. George P. -Original Message- From: David Dazer dda...@sbcglobal.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, Dec 16, 2012 9:47 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Any idea around what serial number the banner Home case was dropped? Is there a published source for looking up serial numbers to date a machine? Dave D --- On Sat, 12/15/12, George Paul gpaul2...@aol.com wrote: From: George Paul gpaul2...@aol.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Any idea around what serial number the banner Home case was dropped? To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Saturday, December 15, 2012, 10:59 PM I know - - I was just being a smart ass. The Edison Phonograph Monthly announced the end of the banner decals on all models in the September 1906 issue. Taking into account the set-up for that issue occurring in August, about the closest I can estimate is that the Home lost the banner decal around serial No.210,000 or a bit earlier depending on how long the change had been in effect when it was announced in the EPM that ...all models are now being sent out... with the new decal. A safe range would probably be between 205,000 and 210,000. George P. -Original Message- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, Dec 15, 2012 10:25 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Any idea around what serial number the banner Home case was dropped? That is what I meant to ask. I wish I could afford an editor. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Red Banner Long Case Edison Home A
Thank-you Al! A stated, mine is H43050 which, by your information, would place it early after release of the new style cabinet and within the range specified Ron From: clockworkh...@aol.com clockworkh...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 4:35 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Red Banner Long Case Edison Home A Hello Michael: You will find the red banner range of the Model A 'long case' Home to be from the introduction of the 'New Cabinet' style to H52234 which is the highest I have confirmed. By H52251 the black banner has been used and the red is history. I have seen a seller on eBay with a refinished Home B cabinet using a modern red banner decal declare the machine to be an all original rare and highly desirable red banner Home. Again, this makes me want to scream at the computer... Regards, Al PS: The 'New Style Cabinet' came in just before 41000. So, about 12,000 red banner long case Home As were made. -Original Message- From: Michael F. Khanchalian mfkhanchal...@altrionet.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, Dec 16, 2012 12:02 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Any idea around what serial number the banner Home case was dropped? While we're at it gang, I'd love to know the range of serial numbers within which the early red banner (originally placed on the lid) appeared on the front of the Home case. Michael K. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 15, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Mike Tucker mtucker1...@gmail.com wrote: I have 205836 with a banner. Records are not up to date so will try to see if any are higher. Mike Tucker On 16/12/2012 2:59 PM, George Paul wrote: I know - - I was just being a smart ass. The Edison Phonograph Monthly announced the end of the banner decals on all models in the September 1906 issue. Taking into account the set-up for that issue occurring in August, about the closest I can estimate is that the Home lost the banner decal around serial No.210,000 or a bit earlier depending on how long the change had been in effect when it was announced in the EPM that ...all models are now being sent out... with the new decal. A safe range would probably be between 205,000 and 210,000. George P. -Original Message- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, Dec 15, 2012 10:25 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Any idea around what serial number the banner Home case was dropped? That is what I meant to ask. I wish I could afford an editor. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Red Banner Long Case Edison Home A
Thank you so much Al! One of mine is 48485 and I can't get at the other one right now :-) So appreciative for the marvelous resource you are to all of us ! Michael K. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 16, 2012, at 2:35 AM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: Hello Michael: You will find the red banner range of the Model A 'long case' Home to be from the introduction of the 'New Cabinet' style to H52234 which is the highest I have confirmed. By H52251 the black banner has been used and the red is history. I have seen a seller on eBay with a refinished Home B cabinet using a modern red banner decal declare the machine to be an all original rare and highly desirable red banner Home. Again, this makes me want to scream at the computer... Regards, Al PS: The 'New Style Cabinet' came in just before 41000. So, about 12,000 red banner long case Home As were made. -Original Message- From: Michael F. Khanchalian mfkhanchal...@altrionet.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, Dec 16, 2012 12:02 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Any idea around what serial number the banner Home case was dropped? While we're at it gang, I'd love to know the range of serial numbers within which the early red banner (originally placed on the lid) appeared on the front of the Home case. Michael K. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 15, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Mike Tucker mtucker1...@gmail.com wrote: I have 205836 with a banner. Records are not up to date so will try to see if any are higher. Mike Tucker On 16/12/2012 2:59 PM, George Paul wrote: I know - - I was just being a smart ass. The Edison Phonograph Monthly announced the end of the banner decals on all models in the September 1906 issue. Taking into account the set-up for that issue occurring in August, about the closest I can estimate is that the Home lost the banner decal around serial No.210,000 or a bit earlier depending on how long the change had been in effect when it was announced in the EPM that ...all models are now being sent out... with the new decal. A safe range would probably be between 205,000 and 210,000. George P. -Original Message- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, Dec 15, 2012 10:25 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Any idea around what serial number the banner Home case was dropped? That is what I meant to ask. I wish I could afford an editor. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Scanned concert cylinder box
Not sure if the list allows attachments, but if it does, the picture you are looking at shows a home-made cover for a roll of TP at the right end of the shelf. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PC160278.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 593694 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20121216/70fb5bd0/attachment.jpe ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Scanned concert cylinder box
Hey, that is really cool! Dave --- On Sun, 12/16/12, Ron L'Herault lhera...@verizon.net wrote: From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@verizon.net Subject: [Phono-L] Scanned concert cylinder box To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org, 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, December 16, 2012, 6:06 PM Not sure if the list allows attachments, but if it does, the picture you are looking at shows a home-made cover for a roll of TP at the right end of the shelf. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PC160278.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 593694 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20121216/70fb5bd0/attachment.jpe ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Scanned concert cylinder box
And so, you clever trickster… - collector visitors will wonder why you would misplace a concert cylinder in such a moldy environment. - non-collector visitors, if they even notice it, will see it as validation of their prior assessment of you as a bit off. Well played, sir. Well played. On Dec 16, 2012, at 3:06 PM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@verizon.net wrote: Not sure if the list allows attachments, but if it does, the picture you are looking at shows a home-made cover for a roll of TP at the right end of the shelf. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PC160278.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 593694 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20121216/70fb5bd0/attachment.jpe ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
