Re: [Phono-L] Edison E

[Aph4990--- via Phono-L]

I re-looked at my standard with the changed ID tag.  It now appears  that 
the letter which looked like an "E"on further inspection is actually  an "F". 
 The machine has a small top-mount reproducer ring. This fits with  the 2/4 
gearing and cygnet horn.  One wonders if original buyers were ever  
sophisticated enough to recognize the differences between models with all the  
factory changes. However, I would assume they would have known what they  
wanted 
given the options of 2 and 4 minute reproduction.
Art Heller
 
 
 
In a message dated 4/13/2017 10:09:50 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
phono-l@oldcrank.org writes:

The  picture that Randy posted looks identical to the Model F pictured in 
the Frow  book.  It says the E had a side mount carriage arm with large 
opening for  a Model N reproducer, whereas the F had top mount carriage arm 
with 
a small  opening for C, H, R, or S reproducers. It says the Model E had a 
straight  paneled horn with a front mount crane, whereas the Model F had a 
cygnet horn  with a back mount crane bracket.  


Also, the Standard Models D, E, and F all had both 2 and 4 minute  gearing. 
HOWEVER, on the Model E, the mechanism was blocked to keep it in  4-minute 
mode all the time. If Randy found it was stuck in 4-minute mode, this  would 
support the E nameplate.  Otherwise, everything else points to a  Model F. 
Of course, you never know what really happened at the Edison  factory.


Jim Nichol


On Apr 13, 2017, at 9:29 PM, harvey kravitz via Phono-L 
  wrote:


 
It's probably a Model D Standard.  These were 2.4 min. The model E was 
strictly a  4 min.  machine.
Harvey  Kravitz




 
 
  

 From: Jamie Kelly via Phono-L 
To: 'Antique Phonograph List'  
Cc: Jamie Kelly 
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 6:24  PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison  E



 
 
I’d love to get the cylinder cabinet but tricky  to get to Australia.
Jamie
 
 
 
From: Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Randy 
Larson via Phono-L
Sent: Friday, 14 April 2017 10:27 AM
To: Antique  Phonograph List 
Cc: Randy  Larson 
Subject: [Phono-L] Edison E
 
 
I'm selling this for a lady  that recently lost her house in a fire with no 
insurance. This was in  storage and spared. It's an Standard E . It has the 
2&4 conversion and a  new H reproducer. The motor was cleaned and new 
spring installed in 2004.  The base of the Cygnet horn has been restored. This 
comes with a cylinder  cabinet, all in excellent condition (except for the 
upper half of the horn).  All proceeds go to helping this lady get back on her 
feet. Thechrome Cygnet horn support is also new. It plays beautifully. I 
can  send more pics upon request. A phono friend thought it would go 
between 7 to  900 dollars. Let me know if interested. Thanks
 
Randy  Larson 






 
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Re: [Phono-L] Edison E

[Aph4990--- via Phono-L]

Actually, I have an Edison Standard on which the ID tag was originally  
marked "D" and the "D" was crossed out and the tag marked "E".  It is a 2/4  
minute machine.  The Edison factory was apparently notorious for using up  old 
stock in this way.
Art Heller
 
 
In a message dated 4/13/2017 8:29:14 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
phono-l@oldcrank.org writes:

It states on the ID plate it's an E. 

On Apr 13, 2017 8:43 PM, "Bob via Phono-L"  wrote:


Where is it located? Thanks
 
 
In a message dated 4/13/2017 9:36:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
phono-l@oldcrank.org  writes:

 
It's  probably a Model D Standard. These were 2.4 min. The model E was 
strictly  a  4 min. machine.
Harvey  Kravitz




 
 
  

 From: Jamie Kelly via  Phono-L 
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Cc: Jamie Kelly 
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 6:24  PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L]  Edison E



 
 
I’d love to get the cylinder cabinet but  tricky to get to Australia.
Jamie
 
 
 
From: Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-bounces@phono-l-boun] On Behalf Of  Randy 
Larson via Phono-L
Sent: Friday, 14 April  2017 10:27 AM
To: Antique Phonograph List 
Cc: Randy  Larson 
Subject:  [Phono-L] Edison E
 
 
I'm selling this for a  lady that recently lost her house in a fire with no 
insurance. This was in  storage and spared. It's an Standard E . It has the 
2&4 conversion and  a new H reproducer. The motor was cleaned and new 
spring installed in  2004. The base of the Cygnet horn has been restored. This 
comes with a  cylinder cabinet, all in excellent condition (except for the 
upper half of  the horn). All proceeds go to helping this lady get back on her 
feet. The  chrome Cygnet horn support is also new. It plays beautifully.  I 
can send more pics upon request. A phono friend thought it would go  between 
7 to 900 dollars. Let me know if interested. Thanks
 
Randy  Larson 






 
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Re: [Phono-L] Victor / nipper Dog item found, question

[Aph4990]

That actually is an ornament which appeared on top of a Victor metal needle 
 sales box which would have been placed on a store counter.  They have 
often  been removed from the boxes and mistaken for or used as hood ornaments.  
 
It's a great little item but with the box would be even more interesting.
---Art Heller
 
 
In a message dated 6/30/2013 7:23:17 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
maff...@bresnan.net writes:

Phono  Listers:



I found a curious item in a junk shop in Iowa last  week and want to know
more about it.



It is a little Victor /  nipper Dog either mettle or pewter, not sure. I
touched a magnet to it and  it didn't stick. Maybe brass/?

It is silver / grey ( pewter and is  on a round bass which is 2.25 in
diameter. On the base in the front, is  Victor and underneath the bass it
has a hole which must allow it to be  threaded on something. 



It has  H. A. Reif mfg Co Phila on the  underside of the base as well.



From the base to the top of  nipper's ear is 3.25 of an inch.



I thought it may be a hood  ornament however mentioned  it to someone and
well * , I really  didn't think it was that poor of an idea! *grin*



Your  assistance is  appreciated



Bob

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Re: [Phono-L] Edison electrical DDs

[Aph4990]

Thanks Mike,
But wasn't that actually recorded in Sept. and Oct. 1927?   I'm going by 
Edison Diamond Disc Re-Creations, 1910-1929 The coupling  supplement 
date(whatever that means)  is Sept for R and Oct for  L. .  Then there is a 
cut 
out date of Oct 1929.  I guess that  is when it was cut out of the catalog. 
It's somewhat confusing.
Anyway, I am glad to hear that all the records I picked up are  
electrically recorded. 
---Art Heller
 
 
In a message dated 6/15/2013 12:17:28 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
smst...@gmail.com writes:

Art,
My notes have it at 52089, Oct,1929
I'm gonna settle up  (then I'm gonna settle down) and  Here I am Broken
Hearted,
By J.  Donald Parker .
Per Raymond Wile
Mike  Stitt

Oldcranky


On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 10:23 PM,  aph4...@aol.com wrote:

 I have recently bought a bunch of  Edison DDs of the 52000 series.  The
 original owner just died and  these were in his estate sale.  The are
 absolutely pristine and  sound great.  I know that Edison started
   electrically
 recording these somewhere about July 1927,  But  can  someone give me the
 number of
 the first electrically  recorded diamond  disc?
 Thanks,  Art Heller
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Re: [Phono-L] Edison electrical DDs

[Aph4990]

Thanks Steve,
I think I'm only going to concern myself with the 52000 series for  now.  
I've never seen any electrical recordings in the other series.
---Art Heller
 
 
In a message dated 6/15/2013 10:11:48 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
steve_nor...@msn.com writes:

Finnish:  59305-59306
Spanish/Cuban: 60063-60078   60063 is the earliest, released DD electrical 
matrix.
German:  57025-57034
52089 to 52651 for the 50,000 series
80885 to 80907 for the  80,000 series
82351 to 82360 for the 82,000 series
Please remember that  the 82500 series was not part of the 82000  series.

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Re: [Phono-L] Edison electrical DDs

[Aph4990]

OK Mike,
Now I am confused.  What did you mean when you said 27 makes no  sense?  
I thought Edison electrical recording did start in 1927.
--Art   
 
 
In a message dated 6/15/2013 10:41:49 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
smst...@gmail.com writes:

Art,
It is from Raymond Wile's Edison Disc recordings. The 1929  date is his
date, I screwed up, late night stuff..
BTW the book is  ©1978. Thanks for the correction. '27 makes no sense.
Oldcranky the  blind.
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[Phono-L] Edison electrical DDs

[Aph4990]

I have recently bought a bunch of Edison DDs of the 52000 series.  The  
original owner just died and these were in his estate sale.  The are  
absolutely pristine and sound great.  I know that Edison started  electrically 
recording these somewhere about July 1927,  But can  someone give me the number 
of 
the first electrically recorded diamond  disc?
Thanks,  Art Heller
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Re: [Phono-L] What?!?

[Aph4990]

Merle,
Have you noticed that the one sold and the one for sale for $350 are the  
same machine?  Same seller.  Mumbai, India. Very fishy.
--Art Heller
 
 
In a message dated 2/24/2013 10:51:59 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
msprin...@gmail.com writes:

For an  example of what happens when two naïve bidders just have to have
something,  see the bidding on eBay #111013678879.  And there's another
almost  identical machine on eBay right now by the same seller with a
buy-it-now  price of $350.  But maybe I'm not seeing something that makes
this  machine extra special.
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Re: [Phono-L] What?!?

[Aph4990]

Oh--you saw that it was the same seller.  It's got to be the same  machine.
 
 
In a message dated 2/24/2013 10:51:59 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
msprin...@gmail.com writes:

For an  example of what happens when two naïve bidders just have to have
something,  see the bidding on eBay #111013678879.  And there's another
almost  identical machine on eBay right now by the same seller with a
buy-it-now  price of $350.  But maybe I'm not seeing something that makes
this  machine extra  special.

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Re: [Phono-L] What?!?

[Aph4990]

Andy,
If the first auction were to have been staged by shill bidders, and  the 
item sold, would they not have to pay a hefty fee to eBay for the sale at  
that lofty amount?
--Art Heller
 
 
In a message dated 2/24/2013 12:27:40 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
a...@popyrus.com writes:

And why  would they have one auction with a Buy it Now and one without, 
unless the  first (staged?) one was designed to make an unwary buyer think that 
they were  getting a screaming deal to do the B.I.N.

Andrew  Baron
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Re: [Phono-L] Interesting Sharpener for Cactus / Thorn Needles

[Aph4990]

John,
Since it's an offering from Japan it's offered in Yen, not Yuan.  So  $326 
should be correct.  There is also a language translator on the  site.  I 
think the guy indicates that he made it himself.  Nice  job--but I think it's 
overkill.
--Art Heller
 
 
In a message dated 2/18/2013 3:39:52 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
john9...@pacbell.net writes:

Not  according to any currency converter online. I've tried 5 different 
ones and  
they all come out to over $4,800.00 for 30,000 yuan (yen). One US Dollar  
is 
approximately 6.25 yuan.  
John




From: Vinyl  Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org  phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Sun, February 17, 2013 5:56:35  PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Interesting Sharpener for Cactus / Thorn  Needles

It's $323.45

 Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 17:14:31  -0800
 From: john9...@pacbell.net
 To:  phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Interesting Sharpener for  Cactus / Thorn Needles
 
 Looks new to me, especially with the  blueprints underneath. And 30,000 
yuan is 

 $4,815 and change  American.
 John
 
 
 
  
 From: Arvin Casas  aca...@spamcop.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Sun,  February 17, 2013 12:43:05 PM
 Subject: [Phono-L] Interesting Sharpener  for Cactus / Thorn Needles
 
 Hi All,
 
 I just  spotted this interesting take on the rotary cactus/thorn needle
  sharpener.  It's from the Yahoo Auctions section in Japan:
  
 http://page18.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/w83786020
  
 Just wondering if folks have seen this before?  Is it new?   A 
reproduction?
 Is it a kit? 
 
 I don't speak Japanese  so I have to rely on a google browser plug-in
 translation, which is  probably terrible.
 
 It may be a little overkil, but I just  like its presentation.  I'm not at
 liberty to drop 30,000 yen  though.
 
 Curioser and curioser,
 
 Arvin
  
 
 
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Re: [Phono-L] AL JOLSON'S VICTOR 2-65 ORTHOPHONIC VICTROLA?

[Aph4990]

I know an ENT doctor who would certainly pay through the nose for  that!
Art Heller
 
 
In a message dated 12/27/2012 9:20:24 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
john9...@pacbell.net writes:

I have  one of Al Jolson's nose hairs. I will reluctantly part with it for 
only  $900.00. :-)John Robles
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Re: [Phono-L] AL JOLSON'S VICTOR 2-65 ORTHOPHONIC VICTROLA?

[Aph4990]

Am I the only one who thinks that it is likely that some dealer decided to  
put an Al Jolson tag on this machine and sell  it as an Al Jolson  Model 
in the 1930s?  If so, maybe there are more of them.
---Art Heller
 
 
In a message dated 12/26/2012 8:12:17 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
vinyl.visi...@live.com writes:

Harvey,  for that starting price - $3,500 or buy it now - $5,000, you would 
have to be  a sucker to pay that for a portable Victrola. Without any real 
documentation,  the claim is invalid and even if it was Al Jolson's would 
you pay that for a  portable? How about Elvis' electric RCA portable or Gladys 
Knight's Sony  Walkman?

 Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:11:31 -0800
 From:  harveykrav...@yahoo.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re:  [Phono-L] AL JOLSON'S VICTOR 2-65 ORTHOPHONIC VICTROLA?
 
 I  have seen this machine in other phonograph forums. I think it is a 
fake and  I'd hate to see some be suckered into a purchase.
 Harvey  Kravitz
 
 
 
 
  
  From: Steven Medved  steve_nor...@msn.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org 
 Sent:  Wednesday, December 26, 2012 5:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] AL  JOLSON'S VICTOR 2-65 ORTHOPHONIC VICTROLA?
  
 
  Hello Tim, I did not know he entertained the troops after 1940, I sent 
the  link in the event someone else was like me.   The thought of a major  
star using a ten year old portable is very funny to me.  In my mind I see  him 
lip syncing to his mammy song and his special assistant winding the  
victrola changing the needle after each record. You should write a book on all  
the personally owned items.   Thanks so much, Steve
  To:  phono-l@oldcrank.org
  From: phonop...@aol.com
  Date:  Wed, 26 Dec 2012 19:46:09 -0500
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] AL  JOLSON'S VICTOR 2-65 ORTHOPHONIC VICTROLA?
  
  Of  course Al Jolson entertained the troops in the 1940s. But if you 
think he was  carrying around a 10-plus-year-old portable Victrola, then I 
guess he wasn't  getting paid the kind of money his staredom would have 
merited. (Not getting  paid to entertain the troops, but getting paid from his 
other entrainment  activities to be able to afford a new Victrola.)
  
   TF
  
   
  
   
   
   
  
  -Original  Message-
  From: Steven Medved  steve_nor...@msn.com
  To: phono-l  phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Sent: Wed, Dec 26, 2012 7:37  pm
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] AL JOLSON'S VICTOR 2-65 ORTHOPHONIC  VICTROLA?
  
  
  
  
   
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SinJgcJQhII

   
http://www.corbisimages.com/images/Corbis-NA001477.jpg?size=67uid=dbb4b702-f7fe-420c-aa83-03a587d44190

  Looks like he had a live piano player.
   
   
   To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
From: phonop...@aol.com
   Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:27:22  -0500
   Subject: Re: [Phono-L] AL JOLSON'S VICTOR 2-65  ORTHOPHONIC VICTROLA?
   
   
What troops, exactly, was Al Jolson entertaining? We were not at war 
   1919-1941, and had relatively small armed forces during that  period.
   
   If I told you the number of  Edison Phonographs and other objects  
that were 
  personally  owned by Thomas Edison over the past 43 years, you'd be 
surprised 
   --- or not!
   
   Tim Fabrizio
phonophan
   PO Box 747 
   Henrietta,  NY 14467
   
   TEL 585 582 1586
Web site: www.phonophan.com



   


   -Original Message-
From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com
   To: phono-l  phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonolist  
phonol...@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wed, Dec 26, 2012  5:29 pm
   Subject: [Phono-L] AL JOLSON'S VICTOR 2-65  ORTHOPHONIC VICTROLA?
   
   

   
   
   

http://www.ebay.com/itm/AL-JOLSONS-VICTOR-2-65-ORTHOPHONIC-VICTROLA-/181049044024

  
   
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Re: [Phono-L] reproducers with the strap across the front forthevery early Be...

[Aph4990]

Is Mirek Stehlik not working any longer?  He restored a Zonophone  
reproducer for me a while back.
--Art Heller
 
 
In a message dated 12/1/2012 5:21:19 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
victr...@triton.net writes:

Yes I  bought out most his remaining stock. I did not get any of those 
Berliner  reproducers. I got some Victor Concerts both long throat (wide and 
narrow)  face and taper arm type, a Nifty Nirona and a Talk-O-Phone.. 
Thank  you,
George Vollema
Great Lakes Antique Phonograph
5092 Muskego  Dr.
Newaygo MI  49337-8556
231-652-5753
victr...@triton.net
www.victroladoctor.com






- Original Message - 
From: Jeffry Young, D.O. 
To: Antique Phonograph List 
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 2:40  PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] reproducers with the strap across the  front 
forthevery early Berliner hand winds


George Vollema  bought all of Mirek's old stock. Here is a link to his web 
site. You can  contact him.


http://www.victroladoctor.com/

Good  luck!

Jeff
Wisconsin



From:  phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org on behalf of David Dazer
Sent: Fri  11/30/2012 2:18 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject:  Re: [Phono-L] reproducers with the strap across the front for 
thevery early  Berliner hand winds



I do not think he is active any  more, but he may still have some unsold 
parts or complete reproducers.  
Dave

--- On Fri, 11/30/12, Steven Medved  steve_nor...@msn.com wrote:


From: Steven Medved  steve_nor...@msn.com
Subject: [Phono-L] reproducers with the  strap across the front for the 
very early Berliner hand winds
To:  phonol...@yahoogroups.com, phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Friday,  November 30, 2012, 11:20 AM



Hello all,

Would you know of anyone who makes the reproducers  with the strap across  
the front for the very early Berliner hand  winds?  Does Mirek still  make 
them?

Steve   
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[Phono-L] Lambert cylinder

[Aph4990]

An interesting Lambert cylinder appeared on ebay recently.  But  I have 
never seen this before. A Lambert cylinder with a plaster core.  Was  this 
added by the factory or was it perhaps done after sale?  I thought the  Lambert 
cylinders were made without plaster cores to avoid antitrust  conflicts.
Ebay item # is 200833537441

Thanks, Art  Heller
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Re: [Phono-L] Lambert cylinder

[Aph4990]

Thanks guys,
Art Heller
 
 
In a message dated 10/22/2012 5:08:19 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
steve_nor...@msn.com writes:


Hello Ron L, Your memory is correct and evidently long terms as  well.  
Here is what Allen K wrote 7/27/2005: Hi

Toward the  end of Lambert production, the company sold them with plaster 
cores. This  would be around 1905 since Edison's patent on the tapered 
cylinder  
interior was just expiring then (1888-1905). There is some discussion of  
this 
in PHP. The last (new) title that Lambert introduced occurred in late  
1903, and 
they just kept repressing them. Highest US # (2) was  1053.

Allen Back to me: The last British ones have a core like the US  
Everlasting of Cleveland do, I have one of the British ones with the core.  
Steve

 From: lhera...@bu.edu
 To:  phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 15:58:16 -0400
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Lambert cylinder
 
 I think someone on  the phono chat said that later Lamberts did have the
 core.   I am not absolutely certain that my memory is correct though.
  
 Ron L
 
 -Original Message-
 From:  phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] 
On
  Behalf Of aph4...@aol.com
 Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 3:37  PM
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: [Phono-L] Lambert  cylinder
 
 
 An interesting Lambert cylinder appeared on  ebay recently.  But  I have
 never seen this before. A  Lambert cylinder with a plaster core.  Was  
this
 added by  the factory or was it perhaps done after sale?  I thought the
  Lambert cylinders were made without plaster cores to avoid antitrust
  conflicts.
 Ebay item # is 200833537441
 
 Thanks,  Art  Heller
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Re: [Phono-L] Interesting horn on ebay

[Aph4990]

Thanks Aaron,
That's exactly what it is.  I figured it was not a phono horn.
--Art
 
 
In a message dated 7/22/2012 1:49:23 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
ahunte...@comcast.net writes:

Art

It looks identical to a horn from an automobile musical  horn made by 
Sparton.  Mine is called a Chime Bugle with 14, 11 and 8  inch horns.  It 
has a 6 volt motor driven air pump to play a  tune.  I have seen them 
with two horns or trumpets also.   Following is the Item number of one 
that sold on eBay.

ebay item #  130588987662

Aaron
 Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 18:19:44 -0400  (EDT)
 From: aph4...@aol.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Subject: [Phono-L] Interesting horn on ebay
 Message-ID:  5dbf.5b5210cc.3d3c8...@aol.com
 Content-Type: text/plain;  charset=US-ASCII

 An interesting horn has appeared on ebay  recently.  But I've never  seen 
 anything like it before. It  has a screen at the horn opening and I have 
no  
 idea why. Maybe  it keeps the moths out. Or maybe it's not a phonograph 
horn at 
   all.  Any thoughts?
 Ebay # is 280921924514
  
  Thanks, Art Heller



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[Phono-L] Interesting horn on ebay

[Aph4990]

An interesting horn has appeared on ebay recently.  But I've never  seen 
anything like it before. It has a screen at the horn opening and I have no  
idea why. Maybe it keeps the moths out. Or maybe it's not a phonograph horn at 
 all.  Any thoughts?
Ebay # is 280921924514
 
Thanks, Art Heller
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Re: [Phono-L] Interesting horn on ebay

[Aph4990]

Thanks, I should have figured that out.  But I've never seen a black  and 
brass auto horn before.  And that gives me a great  idea.  I can put a screen 
on each of my horns and prevent the  inevitable entrance of moths and other 
critters into my reproducers!   
 
--Art Heller
 
 
In a message dated 7/21/2012 7:47:41 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
rich-m...@octoxol.com writes:

Automobile bulb horn. The reed fixture screwed onto the small end  of the 
horn. Then the flex tube screwed onto the reed fixture. On th  eother end 
of the air tight flex tube is attached the big read or black  rubber 
honking bulb.

On 07/21/2012 05:19 PM, aph4...@aol.com  wrote:
 An interesting horn has appeared on ebay recently.  But  I've never  seen
 anything like it before. It has a screen at the  horn opening and I have 
no
 idea why. Maybe it keeps the moths out. Or  maybe it's not a phonograph 
horn at
   all.  Any  thoughts?
 Ebay # is 280921924514

 Thanks, Art  Heller
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Re: [Phono-L] the chat

[Aph4990]

I keep looking for it.  Has Loran gone out of the business?
--Art
 
 
In a message dated 6/2/2012 7:41:01 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
lhera...@verizon.net writes:

Gad,  another week without the chat.  I'm sooo bummed.

Ron  L

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Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??

[Aph4990]

So the high bidder just crapped out on him.  I thought that the eBay  bid 
was a contract that had to be honored.  So much for the eBay  contract.  
Unless he himself put in the high bid??? If so he owes eBay the  commission. 
What am I missing here?
---Art Heller
 
 
In a message dated 3/4/2012 5:24:47 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
ander...@tampabay.rr.com writes:


The  Standard is now re-listed at  $999.99!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/PAT-1898-EDISON-STANDARD-PHONOGRAPH-WORKING-MOTOR-SE
E-MY-VIDEO-110-YEARS-OLD-/160753917176?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item256dae
1cf8


Sold  $1060
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem_trksid=p4340.l2557hash=item2
56d261325item=160745001765nma=truept=LH_DefaultDomain_0rt=ncsi=hNN0847D
ZwyYQ9DbTNaGUu38QWE%253Dorig_cvip=truert=nc






On  Mar 4, 2012, at 2:33 PM, allena...@aol.com wrote:

 but how can a  person bid against himself if he is the only bidder?
 
 
  
 In a message dated 3/3/2012 4:38:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,   
 john9...@pacbell.net writes:
 
 consecutive bids within  a few minutes, bidding against himself each  
time, 
 and taking  the price from $599 to $1000. 
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Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??

[Aph4990]

I KNOW it's a scam.  But doesn't the scammer seller still owe eBay the 
commission? Or is eBay just too dumb to figure it out?
--Art Heller



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From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com
To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??



t's a scam... 
 From: aph4...@aol.com
 Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 20:25:53 -0500
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??
 
 So the high bidder just crapped out on him.  I thought that the eBay  bid 
 was a contract that had to be honored.  So much for the eBay  contract.  
 Unless he himself put in the high bid??? If so he owes eBay the  commission. 
 What am I missing here?
 ---Art Heller
  
  
 In a message dated 3/4/2012 5:24:47 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
 ander...@tampabay.rr.com writes:
 
 
 The  Standard is now re-listed at  $999.99!
 http://www.ebay.com/itm/PAT-1898-EDISON-STANDARD-PHONOGRAPH-WORKING-MOTOR-SE
 E-MY-VIDEO-110-YEARS-OLD-/160753917176?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item256dae
 1cf8
 
 
 Sold  $1060
 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem_trksid=p4340.l2557hash=item2
 56d261325item=160745001765nma=truept=LH_DefaultDomain_0rt=ncsi=hNN0847D
 ZwyYQ9DbTNaGUu38QWE%253Dorig_cvip=truert=nc
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On  Mar 4, 2012, at 2:33 PM, allena...@aol.com wrote:
 
  but how can a  person bid against himself if he is the only bidder?
  
  
   
  In a message dated 3/3/2012 4:38:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,   
  john9...@pacbell.net writes:
  
  consecutive bids within  a few minutes, bidding against himself each  
 time, 
  and taking  the price from $599 to $1000. 
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Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Edison Belts at ACE?

[Aph4990]

Believe it or not.. When I was living in Guam, the local Ace Hardware carried 
piano string wire that I could use for restringing pianos!  And our local Ace 
in Denver used to carry all kinds of wierd stuff.  Now that they have been 
acquired by the corporate office, the selection is no better than the other 
hardware stores.  So much for corporate ownership of local small businesses!
Art Heller



-Original Message-
From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:56 pm
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Edison Belts at ACE?


Doesn't your Ace have the Genuine Edison Phonograph Parts endcap? :-)
ohn


From: clockworkh...@aol.com clockworkh...@aol.com
o: phono-l@oldcrank.org 
ent: Sunday, March 4, 2012 5:49 PM
ubject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Edison Belts at ACE?

The seller is highly suspect in all of this.  I sent him/her an email about the 
elt tension pulley and have not heard back.  What I find most enlightening is 
hat he/she states they went to ACE Hardware which has replacement belts for $7 
but didn't buy one) and leaves it to the buyer of this machine.
How come my ACE Hardware doesn't carry Edison belts?
Al

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Re: [Phono-L] Early European Edison Phonograph Recordings Released/ECR

[Aph4990]

Thanks Allan,
That resource gets better and better if one knows where to look.
--Art
 
 
In a message dated 2/1/2012 11:21:52 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
allena...@aol.com writes:

Hi  Art,

The book, 'ECR, 1889-1912' contains a variety of   detailed material 
pertaining to Edison (US) record production in  those  years. It contains 
all the 
regular brown wax cylinders  (post-1897), i.e.  until they were 
discontinued 
on July 25, 1902. It  also lists and dates the  Concert series (5 dia), as 
they appeared  (they were available on special order  until 1907).

Black  wax moulded cylinders began to appear at the end of 1901, and  the  
last new titles were issued in 1912 (production to 1914); they are   all 
listed chronologically, by catalog #, by artist, AND  title.

The 2nd edition of ECR also contains Edison's 4-min wax  Amberol  series 
(popular and operatic) - month by month, and the book  has about 212 pages  
- 
Amazon for some reason declined to count the  (many) pages with Roman  
numerals.

Oh, and starting on  p. 109, we see the specific contents of  'The First 
Book of  Phonograph Records' - as kept by A Theo E Wangemann between   
1889-1892. This is a remarkable compilation (instrumental and vocal),  
maintained  
day by day, with all recording personnel and notes. It  does not include  
Wangemann's European trip per se, with its unique  recording of Bismarck, 
altho  
it states that ATEW left for Paris on  June 15, 1889. If I recall, one of  
Wangemann's assistants was V. H.  Emerson and one sees this homage in the 
naming 
of one of Emerson's own  children. The death of Wangemann occurred in 1906 
under  some unusual  circumstances.

We still have of few of the 2nd editions left,  which are listed at:  
_www.phonobooks.com_  (http://www.phonobooks.com)  -  enjoy!

Best
Allen

In a message dated  1/31/2012 9:54:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
aph4...@aol.com  writes:

So  Allen,
How do I tell which cylinders are  Wangemann's in the ECR?  Or  are all  
the 
early cylinders  his  production?

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Re: [Phono-L] Early European Edison Phonograph Recordings Released

[Aph4990]

So Allen,
How do I tell which cylinders are Wangemann's in the ECR?  Or are all  the 
early cylinders his production?
--Art Heller
 
 
In a message dated 1/31/2012 11:14:40 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
allena...@aol.com writes:


Seriously though, a great article in the NYT! Interested  collectors  can 
also see Wangemann's early output of cylinders for  Edison (day by  day) in 
'ECR,  1889-1912.'

Allen
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Re: [Phono-L] Duke Specal RE

[Aph4990]

Shawn,
I've been waiting and waiting for the Bolden movie.  Is it ever going  to 
be put out, or has it just been put on a shelf?
A friend has claimed to have acquired an original Billy Bolden  record.  
Could that be?  I actually thought no recordings of Billy  Bolden existed.
---Art Heller
 
 
In a message dated 11/26/11 8:01:50 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
edisonphonowo...@hotmail.com writes:


This  was a recording session I did with Duke Special, and released by EMI 
for this  CD in the UK, they came to Illinois to make recordings, and I was 
called by  Dr. Mark Rubel to come in the studio for a cylinder session, I 
used some  unique diaphragms, and the recording came out awesome! We used 
studio  condenser microphones to get the original sound, it was as loud as a 
gold  moulded record. I should purchase a copy for my archives.  I gave a  
lecture at Millinkin University in  Decatur IL for his class, it was on  public 
TV. Some of my clients have been Thomas Edison Historical Park, Walt  
Disney, The Bolden movie, that is still in production.Myth Busters, Duke  
Special, 
Al Duval, Thomas Negovan, Full compass Audio,Pablo Helguera.  I  also was a 
runner up for librarian and cataloger at the Library of Congress.  

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Re: [Phono-L] 1910 Parlophone Disco Ball???

[Aph4990]

I have seen one of these at Guido Severijns' house in Holland. He had just  
acquired a collection from Germany and had some very wonderful items.  I'd  
love to have bought it but first of all I am not sure I could have afforded 
it,  and it was a giant thing and wouldn't fit in my luggage!
---Art Heller
 
 
In a message dated 9/22/11 9:03:44 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
steve_nor...@msn.com writes:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8168NoM4IENR=1


  From: vinyl.visi...@live.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date:  Thu, 22 Sep 2011 08:50:14 -0400
 Subject: [Phono-L] 1910 Parlophone  Disco Ball???
 
 
 Has anyone ever seen one of  these?
  
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Carolina-Antique-Music-Phonograph-Society/130658956974008
  
 
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Now, this is what I call a very interesting... Phonograph...

[Aph4990]

I want to know why the nipper on the floor is looking so forelorn.  He  
seems to be staring at her stiletto heels.
--Art H
 
 
In a message dated 9/14/11 7:27:35 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
kb...@charter.net writes:

You  could play a record with her stiletto heel!
Ken B.

-Original  Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org  [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Vinyl Visions
Sent:  Wednesday, September 14, 2011 5:31 PM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject:  Re: [Phono-L] Now, this is what I call a very  interesting...
Phonograph...


His Master's Vice 

  Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 14:57:41 -0700
 From: back...@yahoo.com
  To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Now,this  is what I call a very interesting...
Phonograph...
 
 What  phonograph? 
 
 There was a phonograph there?
 
  ;-)
 
 Dennis
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Claude Wolledge Edison Dealer Christchurch NZ

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HI Mark,
It's good to hear of all those wonderful machines in New Zealand. And the  
earthquake obviously was devastating to collections in Christchurch. I wish 
I  had known of the collectors in Christchurch and Dunedin when I was there 
a few  years ago.
But I did manage to hook up with Rod Corn near Auckland.  He has a  
wonderful collection of phonos and music boxes.  He has a terrific EMG  machine 
which he played for me. And thousands of 78 records that he wanted  me to 
organize for him.  That would have been hard to do in the one day I  spent with 
him!  You hadn't mentioned him, but I am assuming you know of  him. He has a 
great sense of history being the head of the local historical  society. 
We have a chapter of MAPS here in Colorado.  When you come to Union  you 
are welcome to come and visit Colorado and Denver.  We all have our  versions 
of weird machines!
--Art Heller,  Old West Antique Phonograph Society
 
 
In a message dated 7/18/11 2:17:43 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
slowp...@clear.net.nz writes:

Hi  Steve, yes I have seen those machines you mentoned. In George Frows 
book you  will see Claude Wolledges Amberola 30, I know of  a few in  
Chirstchurch.  Edison not interested at the time. The Amberola 80 was  here in 
Hawkes 
Bay for a while, now resides in Dunedin in Tony McCarthys  collection. Once 
belonged to Wallly Golledge of Nelson. Veteran phono  collectors from way 
back may have known of Wally. I used to stay with him in  Nelson some twenty  
years ago. There is a 60 in Nelson that belongs to  Roger Cole. Edison Hall 
in Christchurch home to Dealer Claude Wolledge is no  more. Remember seeing 
it and the date of 1929 on a concrete facade. The  earhquakes took care of 
that!  A collector friend had a table model  diamond disc land on top of his 
cherished HMV Monarch Senior. Eqalivent to  that of a Victor 6 ?  Smashed 
the horn beyond repair, so so sad.Has  anybody got an english HMV speartip 
horn lying around that is of no use?  Wonder how many  machines and 
collections have been lost 
this way.  Your Hurricane season for instance!   So I take it that Union 
will  be held  on the 8,9, and 10th of June 20012. Hey I would love to help 
out  with folk setting up there stalls at Union. May need a sofa or a camp  
stretcher to sleep on. Kiwis come out at night nocturnal, and peck at  
phonographs! Ha Ha. When I was in my twenties, I stayed with Elmer Jones and  
his 
wife Juanita, in Glendora West Orange. What a lovely man. Both sadly have  
gone!  I bought back a cygent horn, in a green rubbish bag on the plane!  
HELL, I went though. Should have bought back a dozen! Love the  Arts and  
Crafts 
Art Nouveau movement and impact it had on talking machines, especially  
those from Europe. Would love to see some examples on here, if possible.NZ was  
dominated by engllish HMV. Got a Victor 3, and 4. Looking for a nice Victor 
5  without the horn if poss!  The horn is sitting on the floor staring at  
me, looking for a mate! Still looking for a nice example of a Amberola  5.  
Have the Amberol
a BV111. They call it a cake tin? Mine has the  complete top bedplate all 
in one piece with the stuffs of grass on all four  corners, I believe hard to 
find?  Love to corresponde with folk from all  over the world. Time to play 
the Song of the Prune again. Frank Crummit, love  his records. Cheers Mark 
Dawson NZ. slowp...@clear.net.nz  
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Re: [Phono-L] External Horn Amberola 30

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In a message dated 5/19/11 7:41:21 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
vinyl.visi...@live.com writes:

This is  a pretty awesome external horn Amberola 30 if anyone has a grand 
floating  around for that type of greatness.



Awesome? I don't think so.  And I know you were kidding.
--Art Heller
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[Phono-L] OWAPS makes the news!

[Aph4990]

Check out the great article in the Denver Post this past weekend
 
_http://www.denverpost.com/lifestyles/ci_18060044_ 
(http://www.denverpost.com/lifestyles/ci_18060044) 

---Art Heller
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Re: [Phono-L] Decorated Gem

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In a message dated 4/10/11 4:33:19 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
deedeebl...@yahoo.com writes:

I can't  help myself... My mother-in-law did toll painting back in the 
sixties 
and  seventies and it looks exactly like the Gem.  If anyone likes, I could 
 show 
her the photos for her opinion.  It looks like a sixties job to  me.  Wow, 
that's 
fifty years ago!  Jerry  B.



Fifty years ago qualifies as new.  But show it to your mother-in-law  
anyway to see what she thinks.
And while you're at it, play her I'll be waiting for my mother-in  law.
By the way, what is toll painting?
--Art Heller
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Re: [Phono-L] Decorated Gem

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In a message dated 4/10/11 6:06:47 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
vinyl.visi...@live.com writes:

By the  way, what is toll painting?
In the 50's-60's - toll painting took a  toll on your health, because 
paint contained lead.  :)



OK. Since I knew you made up that bit of information I went and Googled  
Toll painting.  It's actually spelled Tole painting and is a form of  folk 
art with pictures on the internet strongly resembleling the Gem  phono.
Who knows when the phono was painted??  It could very well have been  in 
the 1960s when it apparently was popular.  
--Art
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Re: [Phono-L] Decorated Gem

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In a message dated 4/10/11 6:06:47 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
vinyl.visi...@live.com writes:

By the  way, what is toll painting?
In the 50's-60's - toll painting took a  toll on your health, because 
paint contained lead.  :)



OK. Since I knew that you made that bit of information up--I went and  
Googled toll painting.
It's is actually spelled Tole painting and it's a form of folk art with  
examples showing flowered designs very similar to that on the Gem phono.   
Who knows when it was painted?? I'll bet in the 1960s when it was popular.
--Art
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Re: [Phono-L] Interesting trademark machine

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In a message dated 3/17/11 12:19:55 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
phonol...@mac.com writes:

A lot of  different dealer aids were made by various companies, and Victor 
would  typically offer them to the dealers at cost.  There was a Nipper and  
Gramophone combination on a base that was offered in the 1920s (as seen in 
the  illustration in the auction).  The Gramophone being offered in this  
auction looks like the one from this set, however the Nipper does not appear  
to be from this set.  The set's Nipper has much more detail, especially  in 
the ears.  The one in the auction also appears to be slightly larger  than 
the one that came with the set.  The seller indicates that the  Gramophone is 
made of wood, but it is actually some sort of plaster.  The  horn, crank 
and arm support are metal.  The missing base is also plaster  and the whole 
thing together is quite heavy.

I have attached a photo of  the whole thing, and if everything works 
properly, you should be able to click  a link to see the photo.



Thanks.  That explains the cobbled look of the thing.  And I  found it in 
Rolfs' book of Nipper Collectibles.
---Art Heller
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Re: [Phono-L] Horn connector for playing an iPod through a cylinder machine

[Aph4990]

You guys are behind the times.  You need to check out the site  
scienceandsons.com.
I found this site in the latest issue of Bloomberg BusinessWeek and you  
need to look at the Phonophone and other modern gadgets.  I know that  
modern gadgets do not interest many of us but maybe the introduction of retro  
devices like these will perk up the interest in real audio antiques.
 
---Art Heller
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Re: [Phono-L] MGA!

[Aph4990]

 
(How  come no one talks about how great the new cars  are?!)



Because new cars have no place on an antique phonograph site---old cars  
do!!
My MG-B which I bought in London in 1965 was a blast to drive and I could  
tune the thing.  Then I drove it across the U.S. while it was still new and  
it didn't make it past Chicago when the electric fuel pump (Lucas, of 
course)  failed.  By the time I reached Denver the valves needed work!  Not a  
great engine but when it was working, I loved it.
But more quirkey than that is my current 1965 Morgan Plus-4.  That is  more 
like an old phonograph.  Slotted wood screws hold the floor boards on  and 
to grease the front end you have to step on a button on the floor to send  
oil from the crankcase to the front end every 1500 miles.  Now that's  cool!  
No wonder there's a puddle of oil on the garage floor at all  times!  And 
the carburetors are Strombergs.  Must be related to  
Stromberg-Carlson--right?  And the steering wheel--I think it was made by  
Zonophone.
Just my opinion.---Art Heller
 
   
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Re: [Phono-L] Political cylinders f/s

[Aph4990]

Hi John,
I would love the Taft cylinder at your price.
Let me know.
Art Heller  aph4...@aol.com
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Re: [Phono-L] Prague

[Aph4990]

Thanks Trygve,
I did get your first message and will be sure to look up that phono museum  
in Prague.
Best---Art
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Re: [Phono-L] Future travel

[Aph4990]

 
In a message dated 12/2/10 8:23:04 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
vinyl.visi...@live.com writes:

You  might want to contact Charley Hummell, since he regularly attends 
phonograph  shows in Europe


Thanks Curt,
That's a great idea.  I'll do it.
---Art
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Re: [Phono-L] Future Travel

[Aph4990]

Thanks Jerry,
Bruce has already contacted me,
---Art Heller
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[Phono-L] Future travel

[Aph4990]

Just thought I'd ask if anyone had any phono contacts in Prague or the  
Czech Republic.  We're planning a trip there this spring and I always like  to 
look up interested phono people. You can post information here or to my 
email  address: _aph4...@aol.com_ (mailto:aph4...@aol.com) .
 
Thanks,  Art Heller
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[Phono-L] Future travel

[Aph4990]

 
Just thought I'd ask if anyone had any phono contacts in Prague or the  
Czech Republic.  We're planning a trip there this spring and I always like  to 
look up interested phono people. You can post information here or to my 
email  address: _aph4...@aol.com_ (mailto:aph4...@aol.com) .
 
Thanks,  Art Heller
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Re: [Phono-L] Adaptor for diamond disc records

[Aph4990]

 
In a message dated 10/31/10 9:10:49 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
majesticrec...@snet.net writes:

This  particular adapter I've been watching for a while.  It's been up 
there  
several months at that price and the seller has yet to lower it to try and  
move 
it.  It interests me as Empire was one of the vertical cut  brands of the 
teens 
that I'm researching although I'm not interested at  that price.  The 
Empire 
Talking Machine Company produced both  phonographs and had both vertical 
and 
universal cut records.  A  separate and related entity, Empire Phono Parts 
Company,  produced  universal tonearms but I've never seen any 
documentation that 
matches this  particular tonearm.  In fact, anything I've seen only 
advertises 
the  universal tonearm with never a mention of an Edison adapter.  However, 
I  
don't have any documentation after Empire's records stopped and Empire  
Phono 
kept going for a number of years so it's possible this product came  out 
after 
1921.  The reproducer clearly is an Empire and it does look  like 
everything 
matches so would assume it's a complete Empire  product.  Does anyone have 
any 
Empire literature that shows  this?

Thanks,
Glenn



Hi Glenn,
I just acquired an Edison DD machine which came with an interesting  
reproducer.  In addition to the standard Edison reproducer there was  included 
another which would play 78s.  It is not an Empire but is called  an 
Oro-Phone. It was made by the Oro-Tone company of Chicago and appears to  
be 
able to play BOTH vertically and laterally recorded records.  It takes  steel 
needles for either.  It rotates in such a way as to use different  needle 
holes for the two types of 78s.  Very wierd.
---Art Heller
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Re: [Phono-L] Phonotop any one can play it

[Aph4990]

 
In a message dated 9/27/10 2:10:35 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
nip...@dataex.com writes:

A more  colorful version of this amusing musical toy can be seen on Page 
1-42
of  our Phonograph Dolls and Toys book.

Robin  Joan  Rolfs


Well, at least 5 seconds of playing time makes more sense than 10  minutes!
 
--Art
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Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?

[Aph4990]

 
In a message dated 3/8/10 9:41:18 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
thatc...@mediaguide.com writes:

If  you're going to gripe about lead, remember that the iron, steel and  
aluminum in all cars also mined, shipped and assembled and all leave a  
big dirty crater behind like all modern electronic and mechanical  devices.

I think the last clean machine on earth may be the old crank  phonograph.



If I remember accurately, the question posed concerned the best vehicle to  
transport a phonograph--not the greenest vehicle, nor the cheapest  
vehicle.  For my two cents, I think that any small wagon with fold down  rear 
seats 
will handle a floor model Edison or Victrola. (But not  a  mini wagon)  If 
you plan on carrying multiple phonos, then a van is  certainly going to work 
better.  I have an Audi A4 wagon and it handled a  large Victor floor model 
Radio-phono easily.  30 miles per gallon on the  road is enough for me at 
this time.
 
Now, for those looking for the most ecologically sound vehicle, I think the 
 most appropriate would be a wind up.  I'm still waiting for GE, as the  
descendant of the Edison Company,  to come out with one.
 
Art Heller
 
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Violin phonograph

[aph4990]

Was the idea that the violin body would resonate and produce a better  
sound?

This was an effort to create a machine which would eliminate  part or all 
of the familiar reproducing features of the talking machines of 1912  or 
1913.  This is described in a chapter on Sonorous Bodies in a 1917  book by 
Lloyd Macfarlane.  The invention of H. Buffet carried vibrations to  the 
wooden body of the violin but actually had a diaphragm actuated by a  sapphire 
stylus and played vertical (Pathe) records.
 
The phonograph on eBay was actually offered in Sept. 2009 and  was won by 
someone and, of course, eBay no longer will reveal who this  was.  Now, 
magically, the SAME machine is being offered for sale by the  SAME seller.  
Guess who made the winning bid in Sept.
 
I've discussed this at length with Rene Rondeau, Ray Phillips  (who has 
made reproductions of this machine) and others...and the conclusion has  been 
that this is not an original Palmodian as created by H. Buffet but is a  
copy.  The label has a crazy plastic cover on it.  The diaphragm has a  wooden 
rim around it and the originals were metal.  The crank does not look  right 
for a machine of that vintage.  Now, given all that  information,  I 
personally still feel that this machine looks quite well  made for a copy.  
 
But be careful if you are considering a bid on this  machine.This seems 
to be a good eBay teaching  case!
 
Art Heller
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Re: [Phono-L] Violin phonograph

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In a message dated 1/13/10 10:37:31 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,  back...@ya
hoo.com writes:

Having  not seen any pictures of an authentic version, I too, was still 
thinking that  parts of this machine were not original. 

Did anyone notice the faint  outline of a chin rest on the left rear of the 
violin top?  I would think  that the violin was a replacement with someone 
removing the chin  rest.

Dennis


Dennis,
Look on page 144 of A World of Antique Phonographs by   Fabrizio and 
Paul.  There you will find an authentic model of the  Palmodian.  There are 
differences noted--but this, too, has no chin  rest.  It's easy to remove the 
chin rest but I'm not sure why this would  make the violin a replacement for 
the real violin.
 
Art Heller
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Re: [Phono-L] $70,000.00 Silvertone on ebay

[Aph4990]

 
In a message dated 8/3/09 3:01:23 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
john9...@pacbell.net writes:

I once  saw the Virgin Mary on a tortilla. OK, I couldn't resist that one...
John  Robles


Yes John...but in the case of your tortilla...that WAS the  Virgin Mary.  
I'll bet you didn't ask $70,000 for it.
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Re: [Phono-L] Mistake on Shackleton price

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In a message dated 7/26/09 7:09:37 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
john9...@pacbell.net writes:

Hi  All
I made a mistake when I said I had sold the Shackleton cylinder for  $700. 
It was actually $1400. When it sold we split the cost and $700 was my  
share. Some of you may have been thinkning $700 was not very much for it to  
have 
sold for! It had original box and label and was in mint condition.
It  was part of a lot of records that I bought with a friend, unsorted, 
When we  found that one, it was very exciting! There is still alot of good 
stuff out  there, just harder to find!
John Robles


Wow.  That was a hefty price for such a fragile  record.  I actually was 
given the Shackelton record by a collector in New  Zealand a few years ago.  
It had a crack and he was understandably afraid  to send it for repair to 
Mike Khanchalian.  He wouldn't take ANY money for  it and so I brought it home 
in my carryon luggage.  I sent it to Mike and  he repaired it for $350 which 
was probably less than he should have  charged.  I picked it up at Union 
and he had actually made a CD of the  recording which he gave me.  I got as 
far as Chicago, showed it carefully  to a friend, and it promptly exploded 
into a hundred irreparable pieces.  I  have the pieces stored in the original 
box with original top.  Maybe I  should freeze it and a hundred years from 
now someone will figure  out how to bring it back to life!!
In any case, I'm not investing in any more wax Amberols--even  if I get 
them for free!
---Art Heller
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