Re: [Phono-L] Nutcracker Suite
I have the 2 Edison discs, but they are rather noisy pressings; it would be nice to find later paper-label pressings - if they were in the catalogue long enough. I recently bought (and overpaid, but I didn't know) an electric Edison of the Peer Gynt Suite, and although 2 discography sources showed it to be similar to the acoustic Edison with 2 parts on each side, it actually has just Morning and Ase's Death played so slowly and lugubriously that they almost fill each side!They did something similar a couple of years earlier, with Victor Herbert's Suite of Serenades - even though all 4 parts would easily fit on 2 Edison sides, only 2 parts were recorded with a lot of wasted blank space. Back to the Nutcracker: 5 decent Edison cylinders from the London branch. Although played by the National Military Band, the harp part was wisely retained in Waltz of the Flowers. My copy of Flowers looks new, but has a waver that makes the harp unpleasant to hear; the Syracuse University Belfer Lab people have overcome most wavering on most of their transfers, so this is quite enjoyable.All in one zipped folder, for your convenience: http://www.box.com/s/xjg5yibnpno8sygv561y Do check the Belfer site - the transfers are excellent, and you are allowed to download all of them. No telling when anything on the Internet might disappear, so save save save. http://library.syr.edu/splash/cylinders/ - Original Message - From: Philip Carli philip_ca...@pittsford.monroe.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Nutcracker Suite A happy choice in many formats and performances in the acoustic and early electric era. If you don't have the Long Play version, the original 10 DD sides from 1918 offer a really colorful and energetic performance as well (indeed led by Sodero - he gets really tight playing from the strings in the Overture Miniature), lacking the March, which was subsequently issued by Edison in 1920 in a version by Conway's Band. We have two versions for the season: four sides of Herman Finck and the Palace Theatre Orchestra's second recording of the suite, done in 1914 for English Columbia (brilliantly recorded, with the slowest yet most precise version of the March I've heard), and Percy Pitt leading the B.B.C. Wireless Symphony Orchestra in 1927 on six sides (stylish and brightly colored in the manner of 1920s English orchestras - those narrow-bore piston-valve French horns and straight-toned double-reeds really cut). Also, the Pryor Band's 1912 Victor recording of the Overture is re ally wonderful - as finished woodwind playing as has ever been recorded, and rather startlingly delicate. P. Carli From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on behalf of Jim Cartwright [jim...@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 9:37 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: [Phono-L] Nutcracker Suite Since World War II, Tschaikowsky's Nutcracker Ballet , always a popular concert item has become a Holiday Season favorite. I just cranked up my Edison C-2 Long Playing Phonograph listened without record change interruptions to the slightly abridged Edison long-playing diamond disc record (30004) of Casse-Noisette (Nutcracker) Suite performed by Edison's house orchestra, the American Symphony Orchestra, no conductor listed on the label but no doubt directed by Cesare Sodero. At this time of year I recommend this record to all collectors of antique phonographs despite its low volume level the occasional skip or repeat but be sure to fully wind the phonograph before starting since the music lasts almost 20 minutes. Merry Christmas! Jim Cartwright ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Todd Augsburger
He was ultimately a very old and successful man who left a legacy of great comfort and happiness to millions of people. Nothing came from imaginary gods, witches, ghosts, angels, or any other stupidity thought up by people who want to control the thoughts of others. What you DO in life is all that counts - preaching is just self-serving nonsense. There are no gods. None. Or do you Praise God! for giving you cancer? That's some kinda evil god, if so. I'd rather understand the truth. Being too simple to understand how Life was C-R-E-A-T-E-D is just sad, sorry to say. - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 12:41 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Todd Augsburger Apparently, Thomas Edison was a genius, but ultimately a fool: Psalm 14:1 a “The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” (NIV) He was too smart to realize that everything on this earth has been created by a loving and wonderful God. This didn't just happen in some cosmic explosion of swamp gas or whatever (and for anyone who believes that - where did the swamp gas come from or where did the stuff that exploded originate - how about it was C-R-E-A-T-E-D?). I have been blessed as a cancer survivor and give thanks to God for my recovery, so I definitely relate to Todd Augsberger, who has gone on to a better place. I feel sorry for anyone who believes that we are only - Dust In The Wind or finds some kind of comfort in the Peggy Lee song - Is That All There Is? Without God, it isn't possible for us to leave the world even a tiny bit better than when we entered, as we have nothing to offer without HIM. From: ediso...@verizon.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 21:43:06 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Todd Augsburger I'm about at Edison's level of faith, less his occasional (and very real) need to protect his businesses by pandering to the religious crowd when reporters pushed him on the God subject. He saw no evidence of a kindly, merciful being which oversaw Nature and the world. (Think of Mina trying to get him to attend a service to thank God for victory in Cuba. Shouldn't we also thank God for the yellow fever which killed our soldiers?, he asked. ) I see Life as an opportunity obligation to get through our years without being nasty, cruel, thoughtless, greedy, etc - but we WILL be those things at some point, and can only try to make up for that maybe leave the world a tiny bit better than when we entered. Being decent doesn't require a mythical father-figure floating in the sky. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Todd Augsburger
I'm about at Edison's level of faith, less his occasional (and very real) need to protect his businesses by pandering to the religious crowd when reporters pushed him on the God subject. He saw no evidence of a kindly, merciful being which oversaw Nature and the world. (Think of Mina trying to get him to attend a service to thank God for victory in Cuba. Shouldn't we also thank God for the yellow fever which killed our soldiers?, he asked. ) I see Life as an opportunity obligation to get through our years without being nasty, cruel, thoughtless, greedy, etc - but we WILL be those things at some point, and can only try to make up for that maybe leave the world a tiny bit better than when we entered. Being decent doesn't require a mythical father-figure floating in the sky. - Original Message - From: Stephen Madara bowl...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Todd Augsburger If you have a chance read his blog where he discusses his struggles and faith coping with ALS ( Lou Gehrig's Disease ). ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Magnetic Pickup Repair/Restoraion
When I was maybe 14 or 15 (not recently!) I got a Silvertone radio/phono from a flea market for a couple of dollars. The radio/amp needed work, but I connected the crystal pickup directly to the speaker and the volume was quite adequate - through headphones, the volume was overwhelming - Original Message - From: RBaumbach phonol...@mac.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Magnetic Pickup Repair/Restoraion The service data lists crystal cartridges for both of these. About 30 years ago I had a V-225 (the one that plays both sides of the record). I was able to find a couple of NOS cartridges for it, but of course they were as dead as the used ones in the record changer. At least the needles were new. On MondayMarch 28, 2011, at March2820118:27 PM, richard_ru...@hotmail.com wrote: Bob, does this mean the V-210 and V-215 also have crystal cartridges? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Pics of Oddball CliftoPhone tonearm and reproducer
The close shot of the needle-chuck sure looks as if the pivots are solid wings attached at both ends. If so, it's a wonder if it makes any noise at all, and I suspect it is particularly brutal on records. - Original Message - From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Pics of Oddball CliftoPhone tonearm and reproducer Wow, oddball is right. It responds to lateral grooves, right? Does it rotate to move the needle bar to the front for vertical reproduction? With those washers on it you have to wonder if there is a missing piece of rubber that was between arm flange and reproducer too. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Vinyl Visions Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 1:17 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Pics of Oddball CliftoPhone tonearm and reproducer http://www.preservemymoney.com/pictures/CliftoPhone_1.JPG http://www.preservemymoney.com/pictures/CliftoPhone_2.JPG http://www.preservemymoney.com/pictures/CliftoPhone_3.JPG http://www.preservemymoney.com/pictures/CliftoPhone_4.JPG ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Happy Edison's Birthday
I think it's weird when people leave birthday greetings for dead people at the cemetery, so I will say: Happy Edison's Birthday to US , and a big fat THANK YOU to Thomas Alva Edison - thanks for living producing so many nifty inventions !! ps - Sorry I touched some of your furniture got yelled at by the Tour Lady in 1976, but I couldn't help it. Sneaked some touches at the Lab, too. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Who says some phono collectors aren't creepy??
I guess The Waltzing Doll would have been too cheerful and light-hearted for this (Is she supposed to be dead or just comatose, or ?) - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Who says some phono collectors aren't creepy?? Creepy. I know it's not supposed to be, technically, but it is! --- On Fri, 12/17/10, srsel...@aol.com srsel...@aol.com wrote: From: srsel...@aol.com srsel...@aol.com Subject: [Phono-L] Who says some phono collectors aren't creepy?? To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Friday, December 17, 2010, 7:35 AM This was shared on another newsgroup and I thought others might want to see it: _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pcfz3zt2DDo_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pcfz3zt2DDo) Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison attachment to play Victor and Pathe records
That was actually a decent deal ($61 final bid) because it was for TWO adapters - one for laterals one for Pathe type ... I didn't even know that Pathe-only adapters were made - the ones I have or have seen were either for both or lateral-only. - Original Message - From: Tom Jordan tom...@msn.com To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 2:43 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Edison attachment to play Victor and Pathe records Someone on the list was asking about one of these last week. I just saw this one on e-bay. It looks rough, but thought you might be interested in seeing it. It is item number 280585802435. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] BABY PHONOGRAPH HORN OR TALKING MACHINE HORN what is it?
I think that's exactly what this is. See the No.7 wood horn on Type 48, at this site: http://www.keithwright.ca/CAPP/Vitaphone/vitaphone.html - Original Message - From: John Maeder appywan...@hotmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] BABY PHONOGRAPH HORN OR TALKING MACHINE HORN what is it? I had one of these 'Baby' horns on a Repp Vitaphone years ago. http://cgi.ebay.com/BABY-PHONOGRAPH-HORN-OR-TALKING-MACHINE-HORN_W0QQitemZ190456768318 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Fw: YouTube - Historic Film: Market Street 1906
The Lyeberry of Congress American Memory site has had this for about 10 years http://tinyurl.com/2cpoup3(untested link ) - Original Message - From: harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 10:26 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Fw: YouTube - Historic Film: Market Street 1906 Hey Guys, This was forwarded to me. Check out the phonograph in the later part of this presentation. Harvey Kravitz - Forwarded Message From: Jerry OConnor jerryo11...@yahoo.com To: Dave Kushner dakush...@gmail.com Sent: Sun, October 17, 2010 8:25:44 PM Subject: Fw: YouTube - Historic Film: Market Street 1906 This story was shown on 60 minutes tonight and the actual date of this movie shot was one week before the April 1906 earthquake. This silent movie of Market Street in 1906 has been on the internet for a few years and I received it last year as a email. jerryo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYHGj19RrF0 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Union wish list - Pathe Actuelle upright
This is nice, but probably won't make its way to Union: http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/atq/1736515692.html - Original Message - From: Peter Fraser pjfra...@mac.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 1:32 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Union wish list - Pathe Actuelle upright I guess I have a wish list item to add to the pile: an upright Pathe Actuelle, which is the Pathe disc machine with the wacky umbrella parasol style tonearm/sound radiator gizmo. I've craved one for a really long time, and finally found one a little while ago. It was going to get handed off to another friend at Union to be brought back to me, but the deal fell apart for a bunch of really tragic reasons that I still feel pretty awful about. But that's another story. In any case, if any of you have a lead on one for less than $500 in decent shape and functional - and that could make its way to Union - please let me know. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Doctors call for patients
If they'll pay $500 to repair $5 worth of old wax, maybe . Has there been much charity associated with this effort ? - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:58 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Doctors call for patients Mike - Will my insurance cover it? :-) John Robles --- On Tue, 6/1/10, Michael F. Khanchalian mfkhanchal...@altrionet.com wrote: From: Michael F. Khanchalian mfkhanchal...@altrionet.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Doctors call for patients To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 9:15 PM This is your yearly reminder that I will be set up at Union in the usual spot to bring healing to your beloved but ailing wax recordings with cracks, in pieces, pitted, etc etc. Come on by, Best regards, Dr. Michael Cylinder Doctor ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Union wish list
I wish: my car would go that far back (doubtful) ... that *I* could drive that far and back (impossible - I fall into a trance after 100 miles) ... that I could afford it (well, I prolly can) .. and that my current job would allow it (nope - nobody to take my place over a weekend) . ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Vitaphone Tone Arm
Actually, the spring/string assembly needs to be in the correct position - hooked to the side and pulling sideways for laterals, or unhooked and pulling down for hill dales. With an Edison cygnet horn attached directly to the reproducer, a good band record is impressive ! - Original Message - And, yes, it is capable of playing vertical modulation about as well as lateral. This is because the connection from the wood arm to the soundbox diaphragm is accomplished with a string that is oriented at approximately a 45 degree angle to the center of the diaphragm. This arrangement causes either vertical or lateral motion of the wood arm to be transmitted (rather poorly) to the diaphragm. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] re mirek and his prices
I just got a price on a 5pound box, 9x9x9 inches, from Mirek's town to mine, with $500 insurance: $23.19 Canadian. Mirek's shipping charge seems reasonable and non-profit, to me ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Dual Lateral/Vertical Reproducer
Does this attachment fit an Edison disc machine? Sounds just like one that I have To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 4:29:08 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Dual Lateral/Vertical Reproducer Hello - I found a dual lateral/vertical reproducer in an antique shop today. It was in a box of accessories for a floor model Victrola XI. I asked if they would part with just that piece and managed to buy it pretty reasonably. It has what appears to be a Bakelite diaphragm - it's opaque brown. The needle holder has two holes - one in line with the diaphragm for the lateral records, and one angled for vertical cut records. Its backing has two L-tubes that can be twisted around to position the reproducer for the appropriate record type. When in position for a vertical cut record the diaphragm is positioned face down horizontal to the turntable - as with an Ultona. It's not an Ultona, but I don't see any markings indicating what company manufactured this piece. I was hoping someone would recognize it by this description and might know something more about it. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Craigslist Rant
I understand how you might feel, yet can also speak from a seller's position : until I get cash in hand, the thing is open to all comers. I tried like Heck to sell an old van, some months ago. Dozens of emails, dozens of calls, dozens of liars who promised to visit yet never showed up. Then there were the low-ball-bastards, offering $200 when I was asking $1200, and the YES I MUST HAVE THIS PLEASE HOLD THIS WHILE I GET THE CASH guys who couldn't rub 2 quarters together. While I waited for one flakey kid to scrape up $500, an earlier prospect put $800 cash in my hand. Money talks, etc - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net I need to rant. I have been made a sucker. I sold my nice mahogany Victrola XVI in order to buy a Victrola XIV in beautifully grained American Walnut on Craigslist. The deal was made a few days ago (all documented in email) and I was set to drive down to San Clemente tomorrow to get it. Tonight the seller writes me and says Hi John, I'm sorry to say this but I have another offer on the Victrola for $600. The collector thAt looked at it said it has an uncommon walnut finish. Anyway, I am giving him until next weekend to pay/pickup. I'm sorry for any inconvience this may have cause you. Good luck to you. So I sold my nice XVI for nothing. And the seller reneged on a done deal because she got a better offer (by the way, her ad asked for $450 and I agreed to pay that). The other collector is going to find out that it isn't Circassian, and I hope he renegs on her. I reported her to Craigslist for gogn back on the deal. Obviously I am very unhappy about this. I just wanted to vent. Thank you for listening! Now I have to find a nice victrola to replace my XVI... .org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Any Edison Crapographs?
Cheapo, late-model portables, surely. Crap-O-Edisons wouldn't be so easy to fake, what with the precision feed-screws and all. - Original Message - From: Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.com Correct me if I'm wrong, everyone, but isn't the only reason we have crap-o-phones at al because a very large number of inner workings showed up in India or something?
[Phono-L] Another gem from Mario
Meanwhile, real antiques are readily available and sometime go begging or into the trash ! I just got another Standard disc machine, in very decent condition, out of the trash of an elderly neighbor whose kids stuck her into a 'home'.Some modification to the spindle it'll be ready to play 'normal' 78s. - Original Message - From: Mario Frazzetto mari...@optusnet.com.au To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Another gem from Mario No prob Ray. It is just amazing how many of these crapophone auctions there are in Australia, and Germany seems to be the other big culprit.
[Phono-L] Another gem from Mario
The rapidly-approaching-death Buffalo NY, unfortunately. We are now below the population of 1890. - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Another gem from Mario I'd like to know what neighborhood you're in, Dan! John Dan Kj ediso...@verizon.net wrote: Meanwhile, real antiques are readily available and sometime go begging or into the trash ! I just got another Standard disc machine, in very decent condition, out of the trash of an elderly neighbor whose kids stuck her into a 'home'. Some modification to the spindle it'll be ready to play 'normal' 78s. - Original Message - From: Mario Frazzetto To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Another gem from Mario No prob Ray. It is just amazing how many of these crapophone auctions there are in Australia, and Germany seems to be the other big culprit. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] All you phonograph/old car guys - check this out
The hand-holds are too short to give much torque for a lugnut wrench (I've had to STAND my fat self on the handle of lugnut wrenches, to get the nut to move) , and why would Edison even make a lug nut wrench?? - Original Message - From: aph4...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] All you phonograph/old car guys - check this out In a message dated 7/9/2007 6:13:33 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, john9...@pacbell.net writes: If I had the car and the plugs, I'd sure go for it! Time will tell... I don't know why you guys think that its a spark plug wrench--or even a tire iron--looks like a lug nut wrench to me with the shallow wrench head. Art Heller
[Phono-L] Marconi Velvet Tone discs
I've played only one of my Marconi discs (Everybody Works But Father, by Lew Dockstader) - and found that is sounded very well, indeed. I also have 4 doubled-sided Marconi records of Spanish band music (issued in South America, I assume) and a few other titles which I don't recall. I am sure that damage to the records would occur long before damage to the machine, which is probably why both Columbia and Victor dumbed-down their recording ranges before 1910. Heavily recorded electrical discs experienced the same ground-into-crud fate, in the 1920s. - Original Message - From: agw1...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Marconi Velvet Tone discs In a message dated 7/4/2007 10:23:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time, steve_nor...@msn.com writes: Do you play yours? I thought they were too fragile to play. How do you keep them from slipping? I am now curious how these sound. Hi All, Well, I'm not Robert but I play my Marconi Records. I merely play them on a modern lightweight tone arm electric 78 rpm phonograph. The sound can be simple awsome! I have also played a few Columbias from the same era that seem to blow away the Victors with depth and roundness on tone. However, something changed in Columbia's recording equipment and by the time the Blue Label records came out the sound quality in the lower range seems to have greatly diminished. My only assumption is that the strong notes in the lower register were causing damage to the reproducers used in the Columbia. The mica would finally start to disintigrate from the extra strong vibration and caused that squealing sound at certain tones and if the reproducer was too stiff the damage to the grooves would soon become apparant. Just my personal observations. Sincerely. Rick A. Jorgensen
[Phono-L] Where can I get covers for 78s? (on topic)
Bags Unlimited sleeves are okay, but Disc-O-File sleeves are suberb and well worth the extra cost, at least for your most treasured records ! - Original Message - From: Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.com Anyone out there with actual Disc-o-file sleeve experience wish to give opinion regarding its comparison to the BagsUnlimited sleeves?
[Phono-L] Where can I get covers for 78s? (on topic)
make that superb.... - Original Message - From: Dan Kj ediso...@verizon.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Where can I get covers for 78s? (on topic) Bags Unlimited sleeves are okay, but Disc-O-File sleeves are suberb and well worth the extra cost, at least for your most treasured records ! - Original Message - From: Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.com Anyone out there with actual Disc-o-file sleeve experience wish to give opinion regarding its comparison to the BagsUnlimited sleeves?
[Phono-L] Official Questionnaire for early Edison discphonographs
The photo page opens fine on my Thinkpad. By the way, about this item : 11) Latest patent date on dataplate: 8-26-11 (Unsure of the 6 in 26). 8-26-11 was a Saturday, and most patents since 1848 have been issued on Tuesdays, so either 8-22 or 8-29 would be more likely. To see early vs. late details, Refer to photos posted on: http:// (then:) homepage.mac.com/pjfraser/phono/PhotoAlbum233 (and finally:) .html Directions from Peter Fraser on accessing these photos: the password is pook2e (no quotes).
[Phono-L] Victor P bracket
ps - all clean meant scraped right down to the bare steel in this case. - Original Message - I knew someone who had the same finish on all the door hardware in his house he removed every piece got them all clean again with some kind of industrial polishing compound. I couldn't tell if he was disappointed when I told him the pieces were SUPPOSED to have spots of different-colored metal. ack. From phonofo...@aol.com Thu Jun 21 14:13:43 2007 From: phonofo...@aol.com (phonofo...@aol.com) Date: Thu Jun 21 14:14:53 2007 Subject: [Phono-L] Unusual Edison Horn In-Reply-To: ad8525b3-9908-47d1-8fa8-c1bbaf727...@oldcrank.com References: 385023.39360...@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com 001101c7b424$1503a050$7201a...@lap ad8525b3-9908-47d1-8fa8-c1bbaf727...@oldcrank.com Message-ID: 8c982602eae5556-1d7c-16...@webmail-db04.sysops.aol.com This is quite an interesting horn and it sold for quite a bit of money. Does anyone know about these horns and how long Edison produced them? http://cgi.ebay.com/Edison-Unusual-Big-Curved-Neck-Black-Phonograph-Horn-NR_W0QQitemZ130122388045QQihZ003QQcategoryZ38029QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From phonol...@mac.com Thu Jun 21 14:48:39 2007 From: phonol...@mac.com (phonol...@mac.com) Date: Thu Jun 21 14:50:17 2007 Subject: [Phono-L] Unusual Edison Horn In-Reply-To: 8c982602eae5556-1d7c-16...@webmail-db04.sysops.aol.com References: 385023.39360...@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com 001101c7b424$1503a050$7201a...@lap ad8525b3-9908-47d1-8fa8-c1bbaf727...@oldcrank.com 8c982602eae5556-1d7c-16...@webmail-db04.sysops.aol.com Message-ID: 3b36a5b6-1ee4-4ac7-9c9e-669532ddd...@mac.com Isn't that the West Point horn? These were essentially Amberola 50 horns turned upside down, and made available as replacements for earlier horns after the latter were discontinued. On Jun 21, 2007, at 2:13 PM, phonofo...@aol.com wrote: This is quite an interesting horn and it sold for quite a bit of money. Does anyone know about these horns and how long Edison produced them? http://cgi.ebay.com/Edison-Unusual-Big-Curved-Neck-Black-Phonograph- Horn- NR_W0QQitemZ130122388045QQihZ003QQcategoryZ38029QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem __ __ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Edison/Dalhart question
If B C are known, it's a safe bet that A was also issued. It was standard Edison practice to get 3 good takes put all into production to speed the process.
[Phono-L] Why hasn't anyone bid?
Plus $80 (EIGHTY!) to mail a machine you can hold in one hand. sheesh. - Original Message - From: Norman Bruderhofer phon...@cylinder.de To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Why hasn't anyone bid? Well, you are just right. Here's Grandma's Graphophone QQ. It -has- to be rare because it is from 1894 and the seller has a modest price... Beware of the small whirring sound ! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=290114785170 Greetings, Norman From taediso...@aol.com Sat May 12 13:52:29 2007 From: taediso...@aol.com (taediso...@aol.com) Date: Sat May 12 13:53:01 2007 Subject: [Phono-L] Why hasn't anyone bid? Message-ID: beb.1070cc5e.33778...@aol.com In a message dated 5/12/2007 1:07:09 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, phon...@cylinder.de writes: It -has- to be rare because it is from 1894 and the seller has a modest price... === As long as we're looking at great values on eBay, you surely wouldn't want to miss this lavishly described treasure: _http://cgi.ebay.com/RCA-VICTOR-VICTROLA_W0QQitemZ150121729723_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/RCA-VICTOR-VICTROLA_W0QQitemZ150121729723) Best regards, Rene Rondeau ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From back...@yahoo.com Sat May 12 14:13:34 2007 From: back...@yahoo.com (Dennis Back) Date: Sat May 12 14:14:09 2007 Subject: [Phono-L] Why hasn't anyone bid? In-Reply-To: 001701c794d0$a3d01520$8a01a...@new Message-ID: 717151.91674...@web35613.mail.mud.yahoo.com --- Dan Kj ediso...@verizon.net wrote: Plus $80 (EIGHTY!) to mail a machine you can hold in one hand. sheesh. A...Dan, you are wrong. The machine goes in one hand, BUT.he is including TWO CYLINDERS (which will go in the OTHER hand) = $80 shipping. ;-) I have to go now.I have to get back to my backyard and all the mason jars. Dennis You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_html.html From john9...@pacbell.net Sat May 12 15:39:08 2007 From: john9...@pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Sat May 12 15:40:11 2007 Subject: [Phono-L] Why hasn't anyone bid? In-Reply-To: bc2ea8740705120844m76b7c2e1o1fcb727bd2ab7...@mail.gmail.com Message-ID: 891184.18277...@web83014.mail.mud.yahoo.com Notice how the guy said if it didn't sell on ebay he would send it to an auction house? Then he ended it and started it again to allow international buyers to bid? This guy's blowing smoke. Whoever said it was worth 5 million was crazy, and this guy knows he'll never get that, so he's desperately trying at ebay to sell it for half a mil. Pathetic. Robert Plavzic plav...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder? http://cgi.ebay.com/ONLY-KNOWN-THOMAS-EDISON-PHONOGRAPH-STORE-WINDOW-DECAL_W0QQitemZ290114213264QQihZ019QQcategoryZ37841QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Or one could save up and probably buy all the phonographs at the the Union show for the same money! It does raise the question as to where some people get their idea of prices. The usual story of peope who have Grandma's Graphophone B and because its old and they have never seen another think that it must be worth a few thousand $ ! all the best Rob ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Wonderful Windups
Indeed! Their $50 Orthophonic bracket (a bit more now, I think) made my $25 Credenza into a thing of beauty (well, a thing of utility - it was as beautiful as it will ever get ) - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 2, Issue 219 The Smiths are one of the few people who make parts of outstanding quality. Steve I can vouch for the quality of the parts at www.wwindups.com. I got a bracket for my Victor 9-16 and it was superb. Bruce
[Phono-L] Searching...Carriage question
I suspect that it would fit, but the stylus wouldn't be in quite the correct spot. That's what happened when I moved the carriage from an Amberola X to a Fireside - it works, but the stylus/record angle is not right. - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Searching...Carriage question Hi John and all who care, I saw a Gem on eBay with a large horizontal carriage and there is a Gem D in Australia with a large horizontal carriage and a model O (New Amberola Graphic article). My standard D with a new spring would not play a Diamond B, but according to Frow an order was put in to equip some D and E Gems with a Diamond B. What I want to find out is if the Fireside B carriage will fit the Gem or if there were some special large horizontal carriages made for the Gem that were horizontal, as opposed to the large 45 degree carriage with the Gem E. I have never owned a Gem or Fireside, so I was hoping someone would know. A 45 degree elbow would allow a Gem with a horizontal carriage to accept a straight horn, in the Edison Standard Diamond B upgrade kits Edison supplied an elbow, a white horn rubber, a reducer, a Diamond B, and the large carriage with no feedscrew, you used the old one. I totally agree with what you said, but for years I have wanted to know if Edison made a special carriage, and finally remembered the Gem and Fireside cranes look similar. Steve I kind of think putting the Fireside B carriage on a Gem would be like putting cat's paws on a duck. ;-) John ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
[Phono-L] ebay nr 6582393385
It does appear that the top of the spindle is flush with the record surface, so I'll guess that it wouldn't have a hold-down nut - unless somebody cut off the spindle at some time . Only thing I can tell about that label is that it looks old - note the dirt around each corner tack - Original Message - From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] ebay nr 6582393385 It looks like the picture of the $3.00 Victor on page 13 of Baumbach's Victor Data Book and page 19 of his LFTD, 5th printing. It says that the soundbox is unique to this instrument, the least expensive produced by Victor and sold as a children's machine. What I can't tell is if it is supposed to have a record hold down nut or not. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Robert Plavzic Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 8:10 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] ebay nr 6582393385 1158: EARLY VICTOR BY ELDRIDGE JOHNSON PHONOGRAPH Hello Apart from what looks like an Edison Gem horn Busy Bee reproducer would the rest be OK? I have heard that a series was made of these in Italy in the '70's. Has any one else seen this style label?
[Phono-L] Diamond Disc Reproducers
In fact, if the Edison Disc reproducer is not adjusted *just right*, one can hear the brass ringing along with the surface noise ! Thus the use of pot metal, methinks. Brass is long-lived, but not acoustically inert. - Original Message - From: Bruce Mercer maxbu...@sigecom.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 5:13 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Diamond Disc Reproducers Hi, Can anyone tell me if the Edison Diamond C reproducer used in the Amberola models, is made of Pot metal and therefore suffers damage due to the brittle metal ? I believe there were two types of Diamond C, the early one having a nickle coated finish and the later one being finished in black. Were both versions made of the same material (ie) Pot metal. Thanks Richard. P.S. Were there any pot metal parts on the Edison Diamond Disc reproducer ? No, pot metal was never used on any of the disc reproducers. Bruce
[Phono-L] RE: Open-horned phonos
I am sure that Edison's sales were much higher than Victor's, until the success of the Victrola. There are quite a few Columbia Q machines out there, too ! - Original Message - From: diamondisk...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 10:02 PM Subject: [Phono-L] RE: Open-horned phonos Hello, all: Why does one see so many more open-horned Edison machines than Victors?
[Phono-L] john9ten sent you this eBay item: Victor Vitrola Phonograph VV-IX w/ Morning Glory Horn (#6513932683)
It is all pieces-parts ! So, anything goes .. I would think that the ID plate matches the motor, if nothing else - Original Message - From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 9:01 PM Subject: [Phono-L] john9ten sent you this eBay item: Victor Vitrola Phonograph VV-IX w/ Morning Glory Horn (#6513932683) - john9ten sent you this eBay item. Personal message: This doesn't compute...if you enlarge the pic where you can see the motor care decal, it seems that the decal shows a single spring motor. This is a late Victor case with the slip in tonearm bracket, and the rest of the stuff looks right except for the ID plate, am I right or am I crazy? And thanks for the birthday greeting, Mike, you are the best!
[Phono-L] Styli assistance, please
I play lots of records acoustically, and don't get black dust on the needle; I'd stop immediately, if so (not counting dirt, which is another story). If your needle is grinding BLACK out of the grooves every time, your machine is in serious need of repair. However, I do not play records with the standard pre-1925 Victrola equipment, which had a terrible tracking angle. That might be your problem. (Exhibition or Victrola No.2 - both are pretty stiff) By the way, that diamond needle on your Victrola is certain to destroy your records. As for Edison diamonds - they can become chipped without warning, and cut the heck out of your records. I've had to stop playing Blue Amberols, because I can't find a good diamond replacement. - Original Message - From: Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.com Maybe this is the place to finally find out whether my thoughts on playing disc records on a phonograph are founded and based or just neurotic phobias. If the man is worried enough about quality playback to worry about stylus radii, why would anybody suggest he drag a 1-pound reproducer with what amounts to a headless finishing nail in it through the grooves?!
[Phono-L] Recorder
It is a recorder? Sure it isn't a reproducer?? - Original Message - From: c5...@aol.com To: Phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 3:33 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Recorder I have finally got to a strange electronic recorder that I got in a cylinder cabinet I purchased a few years ago. It fits in a large carriage Edison Cylinder player and has a Stanton?? 500 cartridge and 2 different stylis that are marked 2 and 4. It has a standard RCA push type jack on the top. I am not sure how to post a picture of it. Any information about how to use this recorder would be helpful and greatly appreciated. I have never seen one before. Please e-mail me of list for pictures. Thanks, Bob
[Phono-L] Styli...
Rough shaped diamonds were plated into place with nickel, then the nickel was ground away in the same operation that shaped the tip. New ones would be another story (one my clutzy fingers won't be telling! ) - Original Message - From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 4:04 PM Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Styli... How are DD styli held into the stylus bar and what does one use to fasten in a new one?
[Phono-L] Re: Edison Phono on Antique Road Show this week
On the plus side, he DID know that Edison made something called Art Models, but he thought that was 1907 or so this wasn't one of them and they were Disc models, for that matter. But he'd heard of Art Models! ps - The owner thinks all the records are worn out; maybe it's because he's hearing them with the wrong stylus? From: Bob b...@lemker.com ... and he didn't say anything about the cylinders or include them in the appraisal. Very disappointing indeed.
[Phono-L] half a horn better than none?
Wyatt's sells unpainted reproduction cygnet elbows for $125 http://www.wyattsmusical.com/CoverINDEX.html - Original Message - From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu An antique dealer/friend of mine has turned up the front half of an eleven panel cyl. Phonograph horn. Yes, it is missing the rear conical section. Does it have any value as is? Does someone make/have just the conical section? It is red, maybe repainted, heavyish steel. It has one dented area but no rust.
[Phono-L] Even More Unusual item on eBay
Or maybe just CON something? hehe CON Automatique du MufflerShoppe - Original Message - From: Robert Plavzic plav...@hotmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Even More Unusual item on eBay Hello So what do we call this, Concert Automatique HMV, Concert Automatique Dog model, Concert Automatique Lemon? At least the legs are padded...for the asylum I think? There are some really indecent fakes appearing on the market at the moment. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=22603item=7334564447rd=1
[Phono-L] Unusual item on eBay
They usually had an internal resistance of between 2,000 and 4,000 ohms, for connection to something like a Radiola 18 - Original Message - From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Unusual item on eBay It might be interesting, if it works, to parallel outputs from a portable CD or MP3 player and pump them through an Orthophonic horn with this thing. Thinking Al was interested, I didn't go back and bid on it. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Dan Kj Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 1:45 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Unusual item on eBay I'll find out about the windings, when it gets here (I bought it; for $10, what the heck) ... I do have a driver made to fit on the Edison diamond disc machine, and it still works fine - but was also still in its box might not have been used in the past. - Original Message - From: aph4...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 12:30 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Unusual item on eBay In a message dated 7/4/2005 1:45:17 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, cdh...@earthlink.net writes: This doo-hicky is a speaker driver that is intended to go in place of the sound box on a phonograph. It uses the horn of the phonograph as the necessary horn for its operation. There were several such attachmernts for phonographs in the days of battery radios. It's reasonable to expect that the winding in these speaker attachments are open, and that the thing wouldn't work, but...
[Phono-L] Unusual item on eBay
The doohickey arrived, this morning! It's in very nice shape, and the coil is intact: 1880 ohms, I read. I'll hook it up to the Radiola 18, tomorrow. I think it should fit on the gooseneck of the Victor I . - Original Message - From: Doug cdh...@earthlink.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Unusual item on eBay One thing that we need to have clear here. In the days that these speaker units were made, the output impedance of the rtadio was in the order 1000-2000Ohms. That was the general impedance of headphones, horn speakers and the early magnetic cone speakers. What they did was couple the output tube to the phones or speaker. This device that we're talking about is rerally a horn speaker without the horn.Your Victrola furnished the missing horn. Victor did this on several models of orthophonic Victrola-Radiola combinations. The other thing to remember is that the output power of those old 3-dialers was probably not a whole watt. The output power of a modern transistor radio, especially a large one is higher than one of the old battery sets! Now, back to the topic of impedance. The headphones we use today ar low impedance devices, so the voltage output of your stereo or transistor set is far lower than on the mid-twenties set. If you're confused, lemme make it worse. High impedance means (in this case) high voltage, low current in the speaker. Low impedance means low voltage, high current. So, in order to match the old speakers to modern outputs, you can use an output transformer whose secondary impedance is low (4-8 Ohms) and whose primary impedance is 2000 Ohms or so (It isn't critical). You simply connect the low impedance side to the transistor set, and the high impedance side to the horn speaker, and it will work very well. In this, you're just hooking the transformer in reverse, to match the spaeker to your signal source. Since probably the fifties or so, the Hi-Fi headphones are really little speakers that are mounted in the ear pads, so that's why they are low impedance units; they're just speakers. Oh, and the other thingdon't push the old speaker units too hard. They were never made to handle much output, and a modern stereo amplifier could blow them out pretty quickly. remember that the 3-dialers put out less than a watt, and some of these stereo sets could vaporize the coils in the litle ole horn speakers. (My Fisher 800C puts out something like 35 wayys per channel). If you're confused, my day has been worth while! - Original Message - From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Unusual item on eBay Does that mean that you couldn't use the headphone jack of a portable player? Too bad, because that could be secreted under the closed lid of the machine. Could you use any other normal Audio output? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Dan Kj Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 4:03 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Unusual item on eBay They usually had an internal resistance of between 2,000 and 4,000 ohms, for connection to something like a Radiola 18
[Phono-L] E-bay listing for the AUXETOPHONE
Not necessarily. I got an item I really wanted, bids for which stood at $995 just before ending time ... I bid $1000.05 got the item. From: Jim Nichol I have nothing against sniping. But if you're going to snipe, you have to do it correctly. You need to bid at LEAST 50% more than the current price, not 10% as was done here. Jim Nichol
[Phono-L] Rebuilding a Victor Number 4 reproducer
I noticed someone in the UK, selling them. He's on ee-bay, too: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2286726936 Whether the gasket is exactly correct might be another question... - Original Message - From: Daniel Melvin d...@old-phonographs.com To: phono-L@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:05 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Rebuilding a Victor Number 4 reproducer Anyone know what type of gaskets are needed to rebuild a Victor Number 4 reproducer? They appear to be somthing kind of flat like a Number 2, but larger around. Does anyone sell these gaskets?
[Phono-L] identifying 2min or 4 min records (U.S. Everlasting)
Well, Charles Hibbard was the sound engineer Albert Benzler was musical director, and both came from Edison. They must have gained some important knowledge perhaps improved on it. Knowing that the Everlasting celluloid records could stand up under heavier use, I imagine they knew they could cut them with more amplitude and they wouldn't wear out, the way loud wax cylinders did. - Original Message - From: bruce78rpm bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] identifying 2min or 4 min records (U.S. Everlasting) I have always been intrigued by the exceptional sound of the U.S. Everlasting Cylinders. I only own a couple of them with the 2 minuteThe Fireman's Song #235 by Hamilton Hill an absolutely remarkable performance with loud splendid baritone voice, band, galloping horses effect, clanging bells, and cheering crowd. Was it ever revealed just why this company's cylinders produced such superior volume compared to Edison or Columbia? Bruce
[Phono-L] identifying 2min or 4 min records (U.S. Everlasting)
Luckily, I've had only one (so far) which has split the seam ! - Original Message - From: allena...@aol.com *** It is remarkable that only US Everlasting made cylinder records out of flat sheets of celluloid rather than tubes. If you look closely, you can still see the ends where they butt each other down the length of the record. Allen
[Phono-L] Edison tuning record
During house cleaning, I find that I've got an Edison tuning record (3342-B-5) ... I know I am being perfectly lazy in asking: what musical note is this ?
[Phono-L] Edison disc needed...
52044 was still acoustical, so doesn't attract the interest of those looking for electric Edisons in the 52000 range. My copy cost me $2 (but I cannot find it! ) - Original Message - From: diamondisk...@aol.com I have a clean copy of 52044, that I think would be fine for your purposes, but it is one of thirty-five 52,000 series Diamond Disks I plan to list on ebay in the near future. (52,044 is the lowest number of the group.) I need to get fair-market value for the records, but am not out to gouge anyone. Is there an established price range for this particular record folks?
[Phono-L] Phonographs as an Investment
Ideal fantasy: sell the whole collection around 8-10 years ago, buy ee-bai stock when it was first offered, sell now at the inflated value, and repurchase collection at the new lower prices. haha ps - Quite agreed about Kurt Nauck. I can't count the number of times I have seen my 'wins' thought: I bid $15 on this, and he's letting me have it for the minimum of $3. Bless that man! pps - Have you tried FedEx? I've used them a few times, and their rates were half of UPS and the P.O. - Original Message - From: Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.com I think Kurt Nauck's is simply the best vintage record auction that has ever been, run by honestly one of the kindest, smartest, and without question, most honest people I've ever been blessed to meet and get to know. Just a couple of years before eBay, I bid $1000 on a 10, 78rpm, RCA Victor picture disc of Enrico Caruso and ended up winning it for just over $600. That . I will say this, however -- if we get one more single postage stamp increase, I'm gonna let the USPS have it. For however many people stopped mailing letters because of e-mail, there's been at least half of them spending ten to fifty times as much on postage to ship eBay winnings back and forth. I had never had occasion to ship so much as one single package in my life up to age thirty, but since eBay happened, my yearly spending on shipping has hovered around a grand a year. And I never really sent letters much.
Re: [Phono-L] 20 pathés, etc. - a new question
I'd like: a Gabel's Automatic Entertainer a Regina Hexaphone I believe that both could be ordered in home versions, which didn't require a coin could play several records in sequence (or if not available that way, they SHOULD have been. hehe ) I have a couple of the Pathe cone machines (Actuelle - the fan-folded Lumiere was sold by HMV, methinks) .. the sound of the Actuelle with tone arm is pretty nice. I think (this was a while back) I got a 20 Pathe disc to play on a tabletop reflex machine, by removing the lid prop; trouble was, the motor couldn't spin the record fast enough !! - Original Message - From: Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.com I'd love to hear from each of you what one or two phonographs you wish you had, but don't, and the specific appeal of those one or two machines that qualifies them for your shortest short list.
[Phono-L] Dutch
actually, 'Dutch' references are many mostly fond, if not beloved (except for those darned ELMS, durnit!) hehe Dutch apple pie a Dutch Uncle Dutch shoes the Old Dutch Mill double Dutch Dutch door being in Dutch (hear Billy Murray, singing: You May Be Irish, Murphy, But I Think That You're In Dutch! your Dutch is up! Dutch auction Dutch Coffee (look this one up - it is fantastic you must try it!) My people should be so lucky; nobody cares about the Danes or the Swedes. sigh. - Original Message - From: Mike Stitt To: phon...@intellitechcomputing.com Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 11:56 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Dutch I have a tree in the front yard that suffers from Dutch elm disease!!! You know, I suffer from amnesia and this is deja vu all over againI think I have already forgotten this! Mike oldcranky /listinfo/phono-l
[Phono-L] Re: Phono-L Digest, Vol 1, Issue 48
Actually, the horn is a new thing, currently being made in China - Original Message - From: mrprojection...@juno.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 6:24 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Phono-L Digest, Vol 1, Issue 48 Hi All... The Phono in question Looks like my VV-VI exept for the new Wood on the back of the cabinet to cover the inside horn square hole and the new wood covering where the two doors were and the inside horn! The Back bracket is of colombia/Hawthorne Sheble/Rear Mount Ohio talkaphone Era. The horn is a cheap 30's / 40'S European Table top Horn Phonograph Horn.. I have a whole machine with a garrad 30 motor in it with the same horn in Green Randy Lee Munro/phono-l
[Phono-L] Edison business phonos
Mine has a 6 mandrel, as did all Edison Biusiness phonos, I believe and somebody needs to take it off my hands for $500 or an offer! - Original Message - From: Steven Medved Hi, Did the early Edison business phonographs have the standard length of record? I am talking about the wooden case ones that came out before the Ediphone.
[Phono-L] The Practical Long Play Record
So, did Theodore work on the Edison LP at all ? - Original Message - From: Bruce Mercer maxbu...@sigecom.net Since Edison did invent the first true microgroove record and a special elliptical stylus for playback, even though they were years ahead of their time in practicality, ...
[Phono-L] Theodore Edison
I knew Theodore had worked at the Lab since he graduated in 1923, so it seemed unlikely that he'd have nothing to do with the LP work. I know I've read in more than one place about his LP work, but have had trouble remembering where. . Here's one quote, from Lee Munsick: Ask me sometime about the problems Theodore Edison told me he had in the development of the Edison Long Playing machine and recordings. . Lee also calls Theodore the project supervisor for the LP. - Original Message - From: Bruce Mercer maxbu...@sigecom.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 4:08 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Theodore Edison - Original Message - From: Bruce Mercer maxbu...@sigecom.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 3:05 PM Subject: Re: Phono-L Digest, Vol 3, Issue 109 -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 15:02:00 -0400 From: Dan Kj ediso...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] The Practical Long Play Record To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Message-ID: 004a01c66e1a$e7120240$6600a...@new Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original So, did Theodore work on the Edison LP at all ? No. Charles picked up after T.A. retired in 1927, leaving him head of the company in that year. Both Charles and Theodore went to MIT with Theodore having a penchant for mathematical physics and was secretly pursuing electrical recording and playback in a separate laboratory set up for him. It was during this time that electrical recording 'finally' got into gear. It is Theodore we have to thank for the marvelous C-1 and C-2 phonographs. The pick-up is absolutely ingenious and the phonographs have a wonderful sound, especially playing the 52000 series. Unfortunately, they came too late. They were brought out late in 1928 and were the last phonographs made by the company. Very few C-1s are known. Only a few dozen C-2s are known to exist, of which I am a proud owner and can attest to their usual Edison quality. btw...the L.P. cylinder Edison made in 1899 had 450 grooves per inch. Obviously, it wasn't practical at that time either for even more reasons, one being a suitable material for pressing. Still, that's when the L.P. work began and was first achieved. As far as Theodore goes, I bow to him for the electronic phonographs and that ingenious pick-up with the offset diamond stylus. Bruce
[Phono-L] Edison C-450
Wow, that is a nice deal for you, John! I think that consoles still aren't much appreciated, nor Edison disc machines ... the shipping also factored into it, surely. If it had been within driving distance of ME, you'd have had some more competition! :) - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 8:27 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Edison C-450 Hello all I purchased the Edison C-450 (XVIII Centruy Adam) on ebay - why do you think it went for such a deal? Is it the fact that he wouldn't ship? I am sure there are plenty of people in the area that wold be wiling to pick it up (like me!). Anyhow, as long as it loks as the pictures show, I am happy. I note that the serial number is 332, seems relatively low. I will submit a review of the machine when I get it. Gotta love those hand painted grilles... John Robles
[Phono-L] Victor long playing records
I don't think that either speed or groove size can be patented. For an interesting account of the Columbia LP, try http://www.classicalmusiccd.com/audiohistoryLP.html - Ed Wallerstein mentions the RCAVictor lp, too. I've read elsewhere that recommendations were made (I think by Wallerstein) for saving the RCA program by developing a smaller, jewelled stylus, lighter pickup, and steadier motor, but the interest just wasn't there. All 10 Program Transcriptions which I have seen were/are made of standard shellac-formula stuff; the 12 of Victrolac, which was covered in US patent number 2130239. Vinsol is the plastic, extracted from shredded longleaf yellow pine stumps, while PVC (which we call vinyl) is 57% chlorine and 43% petroleum. - Original Message - From: Doug cdh...@earthlink.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor long playing records Before I read the other related posts, I can MAYBE answer this. Columbia succeded in recording a wide (frequency) range microgroove disc for 33 1/3 speed on a soft material that was beginning to appear on 78 RPM records (Remember RCA's Red Seal Deluxe records?). I'd say that Dr. Goldmark just used the best of all the former techniques and put them together on one new disc. Certainly, Edison went to a microgroove cut, because it made sense. He should have used an electric motor so he would be able to have the 33 1/3 speed for a full playing time. But Edison had an aversion to electric notors in phonographs, though he could have had them; others did. Victor was wise enopugh to use the then standard 33 1/3 speed. Goldmark simply combined those two factors and made his microgroove LP discs. Of course, it was a tad more complicated that that, but it was the logical combination of features, as I see it. One other thing that came to mind. Let's say that Edison patented the microgroove cut in 1925 (or so). His patent would have expired in 1942, 17 years later. Probably an Edison patent was why RCA didn't use a microgroove cut pitch. Was the 33 1/3peed patented? I doubt it. It was in wide use in the the thirties through the forties. But, if Edison did have a patent on his microgroove records, Goldmark was free to use the technique because the 17 year patent life had passed. Now, on the exacr character of materials on the Victor Lp discs, I don't doubt for a second that there was more than one material for the LP records. We're going to have to find someone who has lab notes or something from Victor, explaining all of this. - Original Message - From: Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 8:03 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor long playing records To Ben, Doug, Peter, and all the fine folks of this list, my profound thanks for your fascinating and thorough contributions on this subject. In a matter of days, I now know more than I had learned through some 15 years of incidental research. I can't thank you enough. A bit more info on materials used: My 12 Stokowski PT's are flexible vinyl (Vinylite?), while all my 10 are the same brittle shellac as normal 78's of the era. I would think Victrolac was a slightly (if at all) modified shellac formula that was more about marketing 'the next next big thing' than being a revolutionary material (no pun intended). I am curious exactly what Z shellac is, a notation I've seen on VE scrolls in Nauck's auctions. We do have two questions so far unanswered, to which I'd like to add a third: 1. Do we have a way to find out the exact dimensions of the stylus intended for use with Program Transcriptions? Does anyone know of a 'white paper' on the subject buried somewhere in the old RCA Victor files, perhaps? 2. Does a complete list of PT's exist anywhere that we know of? Is there a way to know which releases used matrices specially recorded for LP vs. dubbed PT's? 3. If 33.3rpm Vitaphones were a Victor concern (right? weren't they?), and Edison invented the microgroove (as well as the micromicrogroove with his almost unplayable 80rpm LP's), and Victor combined a type of microgroove with their PT LP's, then exactly what did Columbia get credited for inventing in 1948? Again, many thanks to you all, Robert
[Phono-L] Edison LP machine w/both reproducers
I notice that the LP consoles and the Edisonic machines have the same extra framework, attached to the underside of the lid. It doesn't seem to be strength-related, as the lids aren't unusually wide all 4 sides rest on the cabinet. What could be the purpose? The round holes in the horn opening are interesting, too. Seems like too much wood is left, blocking some of the sound - Original Message - From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 12:56 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison LP machine w/both reproducers Hi Peter and thanks for posting the photos. I agree it would be a shame to part this out. How many of these were made to begin with, let alone still be around? Not for me at this time, but best of luck placing this in appreciative hands. Some day I'd love to find a complete Edison Long Play set of parts. Andy Baron On May 27, 2006, at 8:12 PM, Peter Fraser wrote: Hi - I picked it up today, mainly because the guy seemed like he had another guy waiting in the wings, and i didn't want to waffle and chance missing out. It's the smallest model, the C-1. It's in presentable shape, but borderline in terms of too-nice-to-discard. They only made these for about a year, so the rarity factor is large but the shipping cost for the cabinet may doom it to a mechanism-only deal. Here are pictures: http://web.mac.com/pjfraser/iWeb/Phono/ click the link at the top of the
[Phono-L] Cleaning blue amberol records
I have used some other brand of a 'pledge'-like spray, in the past - seems fine to me. On celluloid cylinders and some Pathe discs, cleaned over 10 years ago, all looks and sounds well. - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net Some of us old timers used to clean them with Pledge (without waxy buildup). I swear when I did this the resulting sound was richer... Has this method become a major sin yet?? John Robles
[Phono-L] victor machine
Victor also made machines for export, with neither model numbers nor identifying marks except on the inside of the reproducer - these aren't mentioned by Baumbach, either. Victor had to make sales any way possible, during the years before the Victrola became so popular. - Original Message - From: Mike Stitt m...@oldcranky.com To: Antique phonograph discussion list for pre-1930 phonographs Phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 9:08 PM Subject: [Phono-L] victor machine I don't believe Victor would sell any of it's mechanisms to the after market trade.
[Phono-L] Packing Disaster - Take a look
Almost looks as if it was smashed and THEN put in the boxes! - Original Message - From: Robert Wright I am floored. It takes a lot to get me on the verge of nausea from just a picture, but that second one nearly did me in. Unbelievable.
[Phono-L] Is Phonolist Still Operating?
I've gotten several Phonolist items, today and over the past several days ... seems fine to me ! - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 11:00 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Is Phonolist Still Operating? Hi Rick, I just noticed the same thing, it must be down. Steve Hello All, Although my allegience is here on Phono-L I just noticed that I have gotten no postings from the other list for quite some time. I have been a member there also for quite some time. Has anyone heard from them? Sincerely, Rick A. Jorgensen
[Phono-L] Listening to old cylinders
Forgotten! Not here ... that's mostly what I hear at my house, either on old machines or modern. Also have 1300 of those UCSB recordings downloaded, so far - Original Message - From: John Keister j...@venustel.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 4:40 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Listening to old cylinders Everybody, I just imagine that all of you have gone to the website http://cylinders.library.ucsb.edu/ and listened to some actual recordings of the forgotten old cylinders. In case there may be one person who hasn't, try it. Reminds me of my grandmother house.
[Phono-L] Idelia SOLD
It sounded great, too! Did you download the file provided by Guido? Very nice. Time to go over the old Fireside with Pledge, I guess ... I'll certainly never have an Idelia! - Original Message - From: wilenz...@bellsouth.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Idelia SOLD I don't think there are hundreds of Idelias out there. Terry Baer, who has researched and documented known Ideals and Idelias, knows of about 50 of them. Of course there are probably a few more that he does not know about. It is likely that most have been restored. So the number of original, unrestored, Idelias in pristine condition is probably less than ten. That may explain why this one went so high, even though it did not even have a wooden horn! (The wood grained metal horn was pretty nice, however). Ray
[Phono-L] Taft's Idelia
haha.. yep, the ones he recorded himself, which outlined his whole plot :) - Original Message - From: Peter Fraser pjfra...@alamedanet.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Taft's Idelia the selfsame cylinders he received as a BRIBE? no, i'm kidding...really. i'm kidding! On Feb 12, 2006, at 2:52 PM, Dan Kj- wrote: I believe Edison presented the Idelia to Taft so that he'd have a way to hear his Edison cylinders.
[Phono-L] You Guys Must Camp Online
74 and 34% humidity in Buffalo! Oh wait, that IS Western NY :) - Original Message - From: gpaul2...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] You Guys Must Camp Online Thanks group, for the rapid - and I mean rapid - response to my query about Dan Melvin's email address. I've contacted him, and soon all will be right with the world... I hope everyone is having weather as nice as what we're enjoying here in western New York State! Best to all, George Paul
[Phono-L] Cracked Cylinder
Any repair should be done ASAP, before the whole thing shrinks ...I have seen repairs which played without problem
[Phono-L] Edison and the Tube/bragging on Steve Medved.(Now Tesla and Steve)
But we shouldn't take a professional rivalry as hatred; when Edison heard about Tesla's laboratory being destroyed by fire, he offered space in his own buildings for Tesla to use. It seems that Edison resented George Westinghouse, instead of Tesla. The War of the Currents has been a little overblown, methinks - its duration was fairly short, as Edison lost interest in electricity and turned to iron mining (and cashing in most of his General Electric stock to finance it!) Interesting irony : When the first Niagara Falls generating station opened, the entire capacity was contracted by nearby factories - and all they needed was DC! It wasn't until all the local factories were supplied that the advantage of AC (transmitting to Buffalo, in this case) really made a difference. (This info from a good book that Santa brought me: Empires of Light, by Jill Jonnes ) - Original Message - From: diamondisk...@aol.com Tesla was another nemesis of Edison.
[Phono-L] What do you think of this restoration?
hahaha... happened when I replaced the toilet in Mom's bathroom ... oh, but the sink is pink won't match the new white toilet, so better replace that ... egads, look at this linoleum... tear it up... eeks, look at this wood! ... tear that up ... the tub had to go, to get the floor out ... might as well take out this crummy wainscoting... and the plaster on the walls... and the ceiling... and need a new window ... yikes @ the joists ... replace those ... oh-no @ this section of the cellar wall... rebuild that ... pipes no good ... replace all the hot cold in the whole house ... and the water heaters ...and most of the gas pipes... and might as well replace the water to the street, because the original is from 1907 ... etc One toilet turned into 3 months of weekends evening work + over $15,000 - Original Message - From: Doug cdh...@earthlink.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What do you think of this restoration? You got it! It's happened to most of my cars. - Original Message - From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What do you think of this restoration? An example of shipwright's disease is when a fellow needs to replace the gaskets in his reproducer. While he is at it, he replaces the diaphragm, and shines up the reproducer body. Then, to make it all look good, he shines the tone arm body but then the horn looks a little shabby so it gets repainted. This just points up the fact that the felt on the turntable has faded so it gets replaced. But having done that one notices how dull the finish of the case is so everything is take out/off so the wood can be refinishedetc. But all he intended to do was replace the sound box gaskets.
[Phono-L] RCA microgroove LP demo disc from ca. 1932 - any info??
Not all that rare, actually; every buyer of a new 78/LP phono got that album, with the (DL-5) Victor Artists Party Lp. Not common either, of course :) - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] RCA microgroove LP demo disc from ca. 1932 - any info?? Hi Robert, I always understood RCA Victor made the first 33 rpm around 1933 and it was a failure, so I believe this would be a very rare record. Steve
[Phono-L] RCA microgroove LP demo disc NEW QUESTION!
odd... I am getting nothing which Robert posts, unless included in a reply, as below. Weird. - Original Message - From: pjfra...@alamedanet.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] RCA microgroove LP demo disc NEW QUESTION! this is a fun topic. just an opinion, but i'd say victor didn't issue many LP sets programmed for changers because they just never had much of a chance given the dismal market conditions. all from memory, but i think i remember this was only about a 2-year run. it would thus probably make sense to use existing low cost program material, then create new if the market seemed to respond to it. and by the 2-year mark, it hadn't, so they just quit. the early-30s RCA changers that play 78 and 33, use the fling-o-matic disappearing center spindle and 2nd tonearm approach - or the 10 swing-away magazine approach. either would require a 3-record set to be programmed 1/4, 2/5, 3/6. seems to me the orthophonic sets came in two different configurations (changer and non-changer) so perhaps they just decided to wait to produce those til they thought the market warranted it as well. a little bit of googlization turns up this link to a 1932 ad for the RAE-84, which cost a goodly amount ($310). the ad includes records, but i can't see if they're LPs or not. http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=7608096342 calling Doug Houston...he's encyclopedic on this topic... Robert Wright wrote: Darn. I wish I'd made that connection before posting my question. Thanks, Dan. It is indeed the DL-5 record that's missing. Aside from the fact that the blurb described precisely the musical content of DL-5, I'm recording my copy right now and side 1 was already just over 11 minutes. Further, though I never noticed it before, the grooves of DL-5 are indeed microgroove; well, not exactly, they're a little wider than a 1949 Columbia LP, but they're certainly not as wide as standard 78 like I thought. (Side 2 turned out to clock in around 9:25, btw.) In fact, I went back to check my other Program Transcriptions and all the 10 PT's have the same fine groove pitch. But I have a pair of 12 PT's that are just as widely-grooved as VE Orthophonics, even though their original sleeves instruct use with the orange-shank chromium-tipped needle (as well as the yellow paper insert inside each original sleeve). Another thing that made the 20 minutes from a single 10 record claim suspect is that a lot of my PT's don't come close to using the entire available space, particularly the 12 PT's (one of which is one-sided and only uses about 1.5 worth of its cutting space, almost looks like Gen. Pershing's Nations' Forum record). So although they certainly could've put up to 20 minutes on a 10 and probably more than 30 minutes on a 12, they just never did it much. Seems pretty pointless. For all the boasting about the convenience of putting on a stack and having your entire evening's entertainment 'programmed' automatically, not only did RCA NOT take advantage of the technology they were pushing in terms of using cutting space, I've never seen any multiple PT sets that were changer-sequenced. (These 12 PT's are Stokowski's 1st Symphony, records 3 4 of a 4-record set, and they're not sequenced for changer-play -- though that blurb did say the 12 records wouldn't work with the changer.) As it turned out, I think a lot of the PT's were just dubs of existing recordings anyway, both sides of a 12 78 fitting on one side of a 10 33, such as my PT of Paul Whiteman conducting Rhapsody in Blue with George at the piano. Boo, RCA. Not good enough. No wonder it failed -- probably would have even without the Depression. (Get this - I'm timing the Stokowski sides, and the two-sided 12 came in at 7:40 per side, with electric volume fadeouts at the ends. The one-sided on had 4:08. Bleh, lame.) This means I've been playing PT's with the wrong stylus all this time. The LP stylus 'clicks' down into the first groove with a satisfying tick, moreso than the 78 stylus, but they both make the same music and surface noise. I guess this means the orange-shank needles weren't 1 mil OR 2.5 mil, but somewhere in between? Does anyone know for sure what stylus size exactly fits the Program Transcription groove? And what exactly should Columbia be credited for, ca. 1948? Using a 1 mil groove in conjunction with vinyl, or what? Seems like they didn't invent much! Thanks again, Robert - Original Message - From: Dan Kj ediso...@verizon.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] RCA microgroove LP demo disc from ca. 1932 -any info?? Not all that rare, actually; every buyer of a new 78/LP phono got that album, with the (DL-5) Victor Artists Party Lp. Not common
[Phono-L] Edison and the Tube/bragging on Steve Medved.(Now Tesla and Steve)
Small additional info: Tesla accepted this offer, and worked at the Edison lab for a time in 1895. - Original Message - From: Dan Kj ediso...@verizon.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 12:26 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison and the Tube/bragging on Steve Medved.(Now Tesla and Steve) But we shouldn't take a professional rivalry as hatred; when Edison heard about Tesla's laboratory being destroyed by fire, he offered space in his own buildings for Tesla to use.
[Phono-L] The Practical Long Play Record
- Original Message - From: Bruce Mercer maxbu...@sigecom.net Since Edison did invent the first true microgroove record and a special elliptical stylus for playback, even though they were years ahead of their time in practicality, You have to remember that even Columbia's L.P. did not have as small a groove as the Edison L.P.. It's easy to see just how significant those light weight pickups were to microgroove records in general. Edison was just way ahead of his time. Bruce Young Theodore Edison, to be precise ; most of the LP work was his own
[Phono-L] Klingsor
Having hollered at undamped (non-dampened? free?) piano strings (as a kid, of course!) I am going to guess that the Klingsor strings are too short to produce an audible effect when a record is played at them. Do let us know what happens in real life, though !
[Phono-L] Klingsor
The Klingsor is going to sound chintzy and pallid, whatever the length of strings. It has a tiny horn and leaky tonearm. Its value lies in its novelty and rarity, not its sound. Pretty, shiny strings will make it look nice, which is good enough. - Original Message - From: Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 12:54 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Klingsor String length has nothing to do with it. Piano strings are that long because of the amount of sustain desired (right, Bruce?). Holler into an unmuted autoharp, its strings aren't wildly different.
[Phono-L] Absurd? I guess not
Yikes. Some parts from the hardware store, a few minutes with a Dremel tool and some hot motor oil, and one would duplicate this set of parts for about $4 - Original Message - From: aarona...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Absurd? I guess not In a message dated 9/15/2005 4:40:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, m...@oldcranky.com writes: You found me out! That's my warped sense of humor! I don't own an Edison that needs a $350 spring and hanger. I don't know what kind of cygnet the buyer has in mind but I would go with the early style that doesn't use a spring. That should save $150 dollars or so..That humor again Not warped at all. Any sense of humor is worthwhile. I find it hard to concieve anyone paying more than a few bucks for one. At $350.00 I would have to have it framed and hang it on a wall.
[Phono-L] Test
My message below was returned 'address unknown', several times last week. Let's test it now: Watching the special edition of Young Frankenstein, I see that a deleted scene had an old phono: They had the 'reading' of the will via a 78 played on a curiously lidless Victor Credenza ! There was some kind of odd molding on the edge to dress it up, but the lid was definitely gone. The wonderful Richard Haydn runs the machine, and obviously knew how to work a Victrola; the voice on the record was obviously John Carradine ! Some pics: http://users.adelphia.net/~edisone/Cred1.jpg http://users.adelphia.net/~edisone/Cred2.jpg http://users.adelphia.net/~edisone/Cred3.jpg
[Phono-L] John Robles sent you this eBay item:EDISONGEMPHONOGRQAPH C. 1900 LOTS OF EXTRAS (#6574012330)
http://cgi.ebay.com/EDISON-Diamond-D-Phonograph-VICTROLA-ADAPTER-ADAPTOR_W0QQitemZ6572604105 That's one - they might be called anything, by sellers. A common brand-name on these is KENT, and those usually sound good are easy to fix. Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.com wrote: Can anyone tell me the official 'name' of the adapter that lets you play Path? records on an Edison Diamond Disc machine? I can't find any pictures of one to compare to this eBay listing, and the seller doesn't know anything about it:
