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Re: [Phono-L] Looking for a nickle plater

2016-01-11 Thread John Maeder via Phono-L

I recommend Nashville Plating in Nashville, Tennessee.  Their specialty is 
banjos, but because of that, they are very skilled at appropriate historical 
finishes.

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> Subject: [Phono-L] Looking for a nickle plater
> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> CC: zonophone2...@aol.com
> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 18:09:42 +
> 
> Hi
> Does anyone know a reasonable plater for nickel plating bed plates
> Thanks 
> Rob mallett
> 
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Re: [Phono-L] Maroon Amberol?

2012-11-27 Thread John Maeder

Royal Purple?  Lambert?

 From: vinyl.visi...@live.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 17:03:32 -0500
 Subject: [Phono-L] Maroon Amberol?

 Is there any significance to a maroon colored Amberol cylinder? A friend said 
 he found one, and since he is a knowledgeable collector, I believe him when 
 he says its unusual and unlike others he has seen over 40 yrs. - I haven't 
 seen it yet. Any ideas?

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Re: [Phono-L] Maroon Amberol?

2012-11-27 Thread John Maeder

Royal Purples are 29000-series.

 From: vinyl.visi...@live.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 18:01:24 -0500
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Maroon Amberol?

 I don't know. It was with some cylinders that came with an Opera from New 
 York. How would I recognize one, since I have never seen one either? What 
 numbers or what type of titles would be on a Royal Purple - classical?
   Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 14:12:30 -0800
  From: dda...@sbcglobal.net
  To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Maroon Amberol?

  A Royal Purple?

  --- On Tue, 11/27/12, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote:

  From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com
  Subject: [Phono-L] Maroon Amberol?
  To: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Date: Tuesday, November 27, 2012, 5:03 PM

  Is there any significance to a maroon colored Amberol cylinder? A friend 
  said he found one, and since he is a knowledgeable collector, I believe him 
  when he says its unusual and unlike others he has seen over 40 yrs. - I 
  haven't seen it yet. Any ideas?

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Re: [Phono-L] Burns Pollock Phono Lamp Motor

2012-10-28 Thread John Maeder

Any machine shop can cut a gear in any material.  Modern fiber gears are 
usually cut from nylon or delrin plastics.

 From: c5...@aol.com
 Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 12:10:29 -0400
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: [Phono-L] Burns Pollock Phono Lamp Motor

 I am looking for the electric motor for a Burns and Pollock Phono  Lamp or 
 parts for the motor including the fiber gear. This is the motor  with the 
 tin cover on the bottom. Any information on whom can cut fiber  gears would 
 be 
 great appreciated. Also looking for the speed control knob for  the same 
 phonograph. Please contact me off list.  Thanks
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Re: [Phono-L] Victor 12 question

2012-10-19 Thread John Maeder

The XII has a completely different motor from a Victor VI motor of any 
production period.  The XII motor is proprietary to the XII.  The XII is a very 
scarce machine in its own right, much more so than a Vic VI . . . is your 
example not restorable?

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 19, 2012, at 4:30 AM, Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net wrote:

 phono listers:
 
 
 
 First I would like to thank all of those on the list who have responded to
 my various requests for information  parts. I get a little lost in all of
 the E-mails and do miss some of them in terms of replying with a thanks.
 So here is my blanket one for the recent past. *smile*
 
 
 
 Moving on:
 
 
 
 I obtained a Victor 12 which in the book, Looking For The Dog, it explains
 the 12 was made in 1909 and was a blend of the Victor VI  the Victor VV-XVI
 at the time.
 
 
 
 I bought it for the parts, in the event I ran across a Vic VI cabinet etc.
 
 
 
 I noticed the crank on the Victor 12 is a male type and it has been my
 experience the ones from the Victor VI  VV-Xvi I have are female. The
 LFTD book doesn't address this question, so I am floating this out to
 phono-list land.
 
 
 
 thanks in advance
 
 
 
later
 
 
 
 Bob
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Victor 12 question

2012-10-19 Thread John Maeder

The brake, turntable, speed control dial, crank escutcheon, lid support, and 
taper tube and support would all be usable on a VI or XVI as the case may be.  
Not that it's any of my business and it's a free country, but I would 
discourage stripping it to harvest parts.
Best,John

 From: maff...@bresnan.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 11:11:45 -0600
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor 12 question

 John:

 Yes, it would be restorable as most of the problem is the rear hinge has
 broke away from the lid.
  the front lid knobs are missing.
 I had bought it as I thought the parts were similar to the VI as the book
 indicated.
 It is to big for me as I am getting limited in flat space around the
 house. *grin*

 later

 Bob

 -Original Message-
 From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
 Behalf Of John Maeder
 Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 9:12 AM
 To: Antique Phonograph List
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor 12 question

 The XII has a completely different motor from a Victor VI motor of any
 production period.  The XII motor is proprietary to the XII.  The XII is a
 very scarce machine in its own right, much more so than a Vic VI . . . is
 your example not restorable?

 Sent from my iPad

 On Oct 19, 2012, at 4:30 AM, Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net wrote:

  phono listers:

  First I would like to thank all of those on the list who have responded to
  my various requests for information  parts. I get a little lost in all of
  the E-mails and do miss some of them in terms of replying with a thanks.
  So here is my blanket one for the recent past. *smile*

  Moving on:

  I obtained a Victor 12 which in the book, Looking For The Dog, it explains
  the 12 was made in 1909 and was a blend of the Victor VI  the Victor
 VV-XVI
  at the time.

  I bought it for the parts, in the event I ran across a Vic VI cabinet etc.

  I noticed the crank on the Victor 12 is a male type and it has been my
  experience the ones from the Victor VI  VV-Xvi I have are female. The
  LFTD book doesn't address this question, so I am floating this out to
  phono-list land.

  thanks in advance

 later

  Bob

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Re: [Phono-L] Help needed for young collector

2012-10-14 Thread John Maeder

I don't think this forum is the place to air one's political/social/economic 
opinions.  That very thing combined with poor moderation destroyed a pioneering 
phono discussion board a few years ago and a great deal of information was lost.

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On Oct 13, 2012, at 11:05 PM, Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com wrote:

 Just wait until the government starts actually running the day to day health 
 care... They can not even deliver the mail.
 
 On 10/13/2012 04:04 PM, Steven Medved wrote:
 
 I would wait a few more days.  I sent an automatic reproducer from Florida 
 to Pennsylvania via priority and it should have taken two days.  It went to 
 PA via Maine and took over a week.  Fortunately I had delivery confirmation 
 and I could see it was in Maine when it was three days late. I have sent 
 things first class that went priority, and priority that went media.  The 
 worse was the No 4 reproducer I sent to Oz international first class that 
 went sea mail and took three months. Steve
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 13:03:10 -0700
 From: john9...@pacbell.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: [Phono-L] Help needed for young collector
 
 Hello all
 A friend of mine, who is a big fan of the Andrews sisters, just bought his 
 first
 Victrola, a Victrola IX. The Exhibition flange was missing but the flange 
 collar
 (the brass part) was glued to the neck of the reproducer!! I offered to fix 
 it
 for him cheap (he is only 19 years old and works at Kroger's as a cashier), 
 so
 he packed it and sent it to me via Priority Mail. That was 5 days ago. It is
 lost and he did not know to insure it.
 I am hoping someone has an extra Exhibition, even if it needs work, that 
 they
 could sell cheap, as he does not have much money. If so please let me know, 
 and
 as I say if it needs work I will be glad to do that for nothing and send it 
 to
 him along with some other things I am going to give him (needles, victrola 
 ad,
 probably a record brush, etc). He is so disappointed about this and I want 
 to
 help.
 Thank you
 John Robles
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[Phono-L] How I started

2012-07-31 Thread John Maeder


I have a sister who is 17 years older than myself.  When I was ten years old 
(in 1967), she took me with her to visit one of her high school girlfriends who 
was married.  In their dining room was an oak upright phonograph.  Even at that 
age, I loved music and had never seen anything like it before.  I was all over 
it checking it out.  Up until that time, I was a comic book nut and had 
hundreds of them, even comics from the 1940's that I had found.  That Summer, 
two things happened -- my mom threw away my comic book collection when I was 
gone to my aunt and uncle's for the Summer, and I bought my first phonograph, a 
Columbia 'Symphony' at a roadside flea market for $2.00  Within a couple of 
months, I bought an Edison 'Home' Type C with an all-brass Hawthorne  Sheble 
'daisy' horn and a boxful of cylinders for $25 and I all but forgot about comic 
books.  In those days, phonographs were quite easy and inexpensive to come by.  
I often picked them out of the trash or had people si
 mply give them to me.  We were living in Buffalo, NY at the time.  I remember 
more than one rural antique store that had proper barns just stacked with 
cabinet phonographs -- take your pick $4 each.  External horn models were a bit 
more -- ranging between $25-$65.  Information about phonographs was very scarce 
and I had only limited access to books such as 'From Tinfoil to Stereo', 'The 
Fabulous Phonograph', and Jim Walsh's and Aida-Favia Artsay's columns in 
'Hobbies' magazine.  In 1969, I saw an Edison 'Standard' for sale in the 
Buffalo paper's classies.  I called the number and it was Paul Baker who was 
three years older than myself.  We talked on the phone for a couple of hours.  
Paul, who has mentored by John Perschbacher, became my mentor.  We would spend 
hours rebuilding phonographs and playing records.  We would drive around 
Western New York looking for phonographs when Paul only had a learner's permit! 
 Anyway, that is how it started for me.  Paul and I are no longer
  close, also because of the hobby.  I now have 45 years under my belt and have 
loved every second of it, except for when I have had to sell machines, or had 
friends pass away.  I'm a reasonably smart fellow who requires a lot of brain 
input and this hobby has certainly provided that.  Not a week goes by that I 
don't learn several new things, or even seen something I've never seen before.  
I love it, and am grateful to have this wonderful interest! 
 
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Re: [Phono-L] How I started

2012-07-31 Thread John Maeder

I should mention that years later I went back to my sister's friend's house to 
see what phonograph it was that got me started.  It was a plain little oak 
Pathe' X!
 From: appywan...@hotmail.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 11:15:58 -0400
 Subject: [Phono-L] How I started

 I have a sister who is 17 years older than myself.  When I was ten years old 
 (in 1967), she took me with her to visit one of her high school girlfriends 
 who was married.  In their dining room was an oak upright phonograph.  Even 
 at that age, I loved music and had never seen anything like it before.  I was 
 all over it checking it out.  Up until that time, I was a comic book nut and 
 had hundreds of them, even comics from the 1940's that I had found.  That 
 Summer, two things happened -- my mom threw away my comic book collection 
 when I was gone to my aunt and uncle's for the Summer, and I bought my first 
 phonograph, a Columbia 'Symphony' at a roadside flea market for $2.00  Within 
 a couple of months, I bought an Edison 'Home' Type C with an all-brass 
 Hawthorne  Sheble 'daisy' horn and a boxful of cylinders for $25 and I all 
 but forgot about comic books.  In those days, phonographs were quite easy and 
 inexpensive to come by.  I often picked them out of the trash or had people 
 si
  mply give them to me.  We were living in Buffalo, NY at the time.  I 
 remember more than one rural antique store that had proper barns just stacked 
 with cabinet phonographs -- take your pick $4 each.  External horn models 
 were a bit more -- ranging between $25-$65.  Information about phonographs 
 was very scarce and I had only limited access to books such as 'From Tinfoil 
 to Stereo', 'The Fabulous Phonograph', and Jim Walsh's and Aida-Favia 
 Artsay's columns in 'Hobbies' magazine.  In 1969, I saw an Edison 'Standard' 
 for sale in the Buffalo paper's classies.  I called the number and it was 
 Paul Baker who was three years older than myself.  We talked on the phone for 
 a couple of hours.  Paul, who has mentored by John Perschbacher, became my 
 mentor.  We would spend hours rebuilding phonographs and playing records.  We 
 would drive around Western New York looking for phonographs when Paul only 
 had a learner's permit!  Anyway, that is how it started for me.  Paul and I 
 are no long
 er
   close, also because of the hobby.  I now have 45 years under my belt and 
 have loved every second of it, except for when I have had to sell machines, 
 or had friends pass away.  I'm a reasonably smart fellow who requires a lot 
 of brain input and this hobby has certainly provided that.  Not a week goes 
 by that I don't learn several new things, or even seen something I've never 
 seen before.  I love it, and am grateful to have this wonderful interest! 

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Re: [Phono-L] Arizona collectors?

2012-07-04 Thread John Maeder

John, I will be moving to Sedona, Arizona at the end of August.  You can give 
this fellow my email address if you'd like: appywander 'at' hot mail 'dot' com.

 Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 11:07:45 -0700
 From: john9...@pacbell.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: [Phono-L] Arizona collectors?

 Happy Independence Day, all!
 I received an email message from a collector in Arizona who would like to 
 know 
 if there are any clubs or other collectors who wold like to talk/share their 
 collections in Arizona. Any leads are appreciated
 Thanks
 John Robles
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Re: [Phono-L] stripping Edison bed-plates question

2012-04-20 Thread John Maeder

Professional pin-stripers use a long narrow tapered brush.  The brush is 
charged and dragged along with the fingers of the hand used to guide and 
position the brush.  Each line, including the grass tufts or arcs of the corner 
devices are made as a single individual stroke.  Look at some YouTube videos of 
pinstripers working for technique.  Brushes are available from sign supply or 
pinstripe supply houses on-line.  It isn't hard, but practice makes perfect.  
And breath control!

 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 From: out...@aol.com
 Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 13:16:43 -0400
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] stripping Edison bed-plates question

 I've had good luck with Testor's paint pens. They are like a marker, but 
 dispense paint.  you push down on the tip to start the paint. Hold against a 
 straight edge and draw just like a pen.
 Brad 

 -Original Message-
 From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu
 To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Fri, Apr 20, 2012 1:08 pm
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] stripping Edison bed-plates question

 Look for Frog tape, a brand of painter's masking tape that is supposed to
 ot bleed at the edges and so provide a crisp line.I have used regular
 /2 wide clear or frosted tape and gotten clean edges but you can't leave
 t on long and sometimes will lift finish when removing it.
 Ron L
 -Original Message-
 rom: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
 ehalf Of Randy Larson
 ent: Friday, April 20, 2012 12:31 PM
 o: Antique Phonograph List
 ubject: Re: [Phono-L] stripping Edison bed-plates question
 I'm also asking for help on stripe-ing, not stripping,  I've tried pin
 trips from cars (too wide), tried hand painting with masking tape (paint
 leeds under masking tape, looks bad) and free hand (worse yet, too many
 ups of coffee).  Ron Sitco mentioned a roller device, checked that out, it
 tarts at $100.00 (too much for the budget at the moment.. but will check it
 ut if anyone else has tried it and it worked. Thanks.
 andy Larson
 On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com wrote:
  No, it is relatively thin and you bake it to set it. May take several 
  dips to get it all thick enough to fill the craters in the casting not 
  filled by the initial filling with plaster. Was sanded between coats if
 equired.
  Final coat of asphaltum is then coated with shellac and then stripes 
  applied followed by final coat. Seed lac was the specific type of 
  shellac used.

  On 04/20/2012 09:04 AM, Steven Medved wrote:

  Asphaltum is thick and self leveling and takes a long time to dry?

  From: appywan...@hotmail.com
  To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 22:12:42 -0400
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] stripping Edison bed-plates question

  You can strip a bedplate by soaking in a solution of Red Devil lye. 
  Be advised that the black bedplates are coated with asphaltum -- not
 aint.
  Colored bedplates are coated with tinted shellac -- not paint.

  From: steve_nor...@msn.com
  To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 21:25:16 -0400
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] stripping Edison bed-plates question

  In my opinion do not strip unless you have to, use the old paint as 
  a primer. You will be amazed at the casting defects in the bedplates.
  Steve

  From: a...@popyrus.com
  Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 19:07:57 -0600
  To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] stripping Edison bed-plates question

  I'd like a refresher on that too. Just got in a lowly model B 
  Standard, that's a good machine with a nice cabinet, nickel parts 
  and combination attachment, but some blankety-blank polished all 
  the stripes and umbrella signature off of it.

  Andy

  On Apr 19, 2012, at 6:48 PM, Bob Maffit wrote:

  Phono list:

  Previously I read a discussion on stripping the Edison bed-plates.

  the posting described what chemical and how to use it as well as 
  the safety considerations.

  I can't find my saved copy, could someone resend or provide the 
  information again?

  later

  Bob

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Re: [Phono-L] stripping Edison bed-plates question

2012-04-19 Thread John Maeder

You can strip a bedplate by soaking in a solution of Red Devil lye.  Be advised 
that the black bedplates are coated with asphaltum -- not paint.  Colored 
bedplates are coated with tinted shellac -- not paint.  

 From: steve_nor...@msn.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 21:25:16 -0400
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] stripping Edison bed-plates question

 In my opinion do not strip unless you have to, use the old paint as a primer. 
  You will be amazed at the casting defects in the bedplates.
 Steve

  From: a...@popyrus.com
  Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 19:07:57 -0600
  To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] stripping Edison bed-plates question

  I'd like a refresher on that too.  Just got in a lowly model B Standard, 
  that's a good machine with a nice cabinet, nickel parts and combination 
  attachment, but some blankety-blank polished all the stripes and umbrella 
  signature off of it.  

  Andy

  On Apr 19, 2012, at 6:48 PM, Bob Maffit wrote:

   Phono list:

   Previously I read a discussion on stripping the Edison bed-plates. 

   the posting described what chemical and how to use it as well as the 
   safety
   considerations.

   I can't find my saved copy, could someone resend or provide the 
   information
   again?

   later

   Bob

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[Phono-L] 'Under The Anheuser Bush' cylinder wanted

2012-02-27 Thread John Maeder

A friend of mine who works for Budweiser dropped his copy of 'Under The 
Anheuser Bush' today and his wife is trying to replace it for him.  If anyone 
has a clean spare copy for sale, please let me know and I'll hook it up.  
Thanks!
  
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Re: [Phono-L] 116368427160907689354 shared an album with you.

2011-11-16 Thread John Maeder

They are scarce to find in the wild, but not particularly rare. Manufactured
by the Endlessgraph Company. They are usually found missing the original
shade, or the original shade is in tatters. There are two variants that I'm
aware of -- one with an eagle as a lid handle, the other with a Statue of
Liberty. One arm contains a rotary electric switch to turn on/off the lights
and turntable motor; the other arm contains a rotary 'choke' to control the
volume. There is a mythology about (all) phonograph lamps that they were
frequently used bedside in brothels to 'time' the visit of the customer to the
length of a phonograph record -- whether 10 or 12 I don't know, but they say
size matters lol! I would urge care with the metal phono lamps (Fairy,
Burns-Pollack, etc.) in that if there is a short inside they can be quite
dangerous. Be sure to proceed with caution on any unrestored lamp.
Personally, I like the appearance and build of the Fairy more than others.
When non-c
ollectors visit my collection, they are usually unimpressed by the super-rare
stuff, but they always remark and remember the phono lamp! They are a good
'showboat' machine to impress the unwashed!

Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 03:54:56 +
From: tom...@msn.com
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] 116368427160907689354 shared an album with you.

Let's try this again. I have posted a photo of this phonograph on this
site.

I was out walking the antique stores today and at one of them they had what
they described as a rare Fairy phonograph lamp. It does not have the
original shade on it. Attached is a picture. I've never heard of one of
these things, let alone seen one. They want $1,499.00 for it. Is that
completely out of line, considering it is missing the original shade? Is
this a Frankenphone or was this really a rare phonograph as they claim? I
would appreciate your feedback.

Tom

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Re: [Phono-L] Grille for Edison A-250

2011-10-10 Thread John Maeder

It's Brian Krapes. 
http://www.z50partsandphonographspecialty.com/Order_Forms.html

 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 23:03:24 +
 From: bruce78...@comcast.net
 To: Phono-L@oldcrank.org
 Subject: [Phono-L] Grille for Edison A-250

 Does anyone have the link for the supplier who makes and sell good quality 
 reproduction grilles for an Edison A-250 Disc Phonograph ? I can't seem to 
 locate it 
 on line. Thanks in advance for any help that is forthcoming. 

 Bruce 
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Re: [Phono-L] Lusitania

2011-09-20 Thread John Maeder

I have those Roycroft album sets as well.  They are all madrigal songs because 
Hubbard was an Anglophile, and were produced years after his death.  I have 
always been amazed that Hubbard never recorded since he was a famous orator in 
his time.

 From: zonophone2...@aol.com
 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 18:57:46 -0400
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Lusitania

 there is also a record album and records for elbert hubbard also
 i found the album with records in vermont
 interesting but not exciting

 In a message dated 9/20/2011 6:25:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
 steve_nor...@msn.com writes:

 And  just to add to thatElbert Hubbard was on his way to England,  
 on  
 the Lusitania,  to speak out against World War I, when it was sunk by  the 
 Germans..he didn't survive. Monday, August 08, 2011AN AMERICAN  
 multi-millionaire has moved a step closer to  realising one of his life’s  
 great 
 ambitions — solving the enduring mystery of  the sinking of the  Lusitania. 
 Gregg Bemis, 83, who has owned the wreck since 1968, oversaw  operations off  
 the south coast on Saturday as divers began cutting  through the hull of the 
  wreck.  It was 25 nautical miles south of  the Old Head of Kinsale en 
 route from New York  to Liverpool in May 1915  when it was hit under its 
 bridge 
 by a torpedo fired  from a German  U-boat. 

 The explosion triggered a mystery secondary   explosion which ripped the 
 hull of the 790ft (241m) vessel apart.  

 It  sank by the head in less than 18 minutes, killing  1,198 of the 1,959 
 people on  board, including 39 children and dozens of  Americans. 

 The sinking  caused massive controversy because  the vessel was carrying 
 civilian passengers,  including eminent and  wealthy politicians, artists, 
 the 
 art collector Hugh Lane,  academics and  businessmen. 

 Read more:  
 http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/kfgbmhojidcw/rss2/#ixzz1YX2wRsEr

 http://www.archaeology.org/0901/trenches/lusitania.html  The nearly 
 century-old debate about whether the passenger liner 
 Lusitania  was transporting British war munitions when torpedoed by a 
 German U-boat  is over. Physical evidence of just such a cargo has been 
 recovered 
 from  the wreck, which rests 12 miles off the Irish coast in 300 feet of 
 murky,  
 turbulent water. 
 Bullets from the ship now confirm it was 
 carrying  military cargo. Lusitania was sunk off County Cork on May 7, 
 1915. The attack  killed 
 1,198 people, including 128 Americans, and helped push the United  States 
 into 
 World War I. Ever since the ship went down, there have been  suspicions 
 that 
 Lusitania was carrying live munitions. Under the rules of  war, that would 
 have made the liner a legitimate target, as the Germans  maintained at the 
 time. 

 The British government has always been evasive  about the presence of 
 munitions on Lusitania. Two cargo manifests were  submitted; the second, 
 filed after the ship sailed, indicated there were  light munitions on 
 board. Some 
 believe the ship was carrying much more,  however, and that the British 
 Navy 
 attempted to destroy the wreck in the  1950s to conceal its military cargo. 
 Now a team led by County  Waterford-based diver Eoin McGarry, on behalf of 
 Lusitania's American  owner, Gregg Bemis, has recovered live ammunition 
 from the wreck. Bemis  was granted a five-year license in 2007 by the Irish 
 government to conduct  limited excavations at the site. He originally 
 bought the 
 vessel in 1968  for $2,400 from the Liverpool  London War Risks Insurance  
 Association. 
 This past September, Bemis's team used a remotely  operated vehicle to 
 penetrate the wreck. They were able to clearly  identify a vast amount of 
 ammunition in an area of Lusitania not believed  to have carried cargo. 
 The Remington .303 caliber bullets the team  discovered on the ship had 
 been used 
 by the British military during World  War I. Ten of the bullets were 
 brought to 
 the surface. 
 Further  research needs to be conducted, but if the discovered ammunition 
 was 
 found  in an area where cargo was not known to be stored on board, it 
 strongly  
 supports the argument that the Lusitania was functioning as more than a  
 passenger liner, says Fionnbar Moore, senior archaeologist with the  
 Underwater 
 Archaeology Unit of the Irish Department of Environment, which  monitored 
 the 
 dive. 
 The bullets are in the hands of Irish authorities,  who under maritime law 
 are 
 now responsible for establishing their owner.  Further expeditions will 
 search 
 for additional evidence of munitions.  
 The charge that the Lusitania was carrying war materiel is valid,  
 says Bemis. She was a legitimate target for the German submarine.
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Re: [Phono-L] Approx. value/rarity question: Edison DD record file

2011-09-03 Thread John Maeder

In that condition, and being that you are probably the only serious phonograph 
collector in Santa Fe/Albuquerque, I think $150 is fair.  Certainly not over 
$200.

 From: a...@popyrus.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 21:22:14 -0600
 Subject: [Phono-L] Approx. value/rarity question: Edison DD record file

 Putting this question to the collective wisdom here on phono-L:

 How scarce, and what value range might I apply to a Haag  Bissex  
 record file?  There's one available locally and I want to offer the  
 owner a fair price for it.

 This item is basically a small oak cabinet just wide enough (and tall  
  deep enough) to contain 36 Edison DD records, divided by slats.  At  
 the bottom of each slat is a button to eject the record out of its  
 slot.  There's a front panel that pivots outward and up, and slides  
 back just under the cabinet top.

 Condition is just fair, with a top that has some prominent corner  
 damage and missing some  veneer around the edges.  The top is also  
 bowed slightly downward and at some point in the distant past, someone  
 drove a number of finishing nails straight through the top of the top  
 panel, to re-attach it to the side walls of the cabinet.  The top  
 panel should probably be replaced, and finished as well as possible to  
 not stand out from the old.

 There's also a prominent chip in a corner of the bottom panel, but  
 this might be doctored with a small patch piece.  The cabinet should  
 probably be re-glued as it wobbles a little.  This may also be due to  
 the somewhat thin materials used in the original construction.  The  
 original finish on the front panel and sides is decent, and it's very  
 decent and presentable inside.

 Haag  Bissex was based in Philadelphia, and I could find almost  
 nothing about them searching the internet.  There are only two  
 contemporary trade fair references from around 1921, and an inquiry  
 posted to phono-L five years ago about one of these made with gum- 
 wood, that was paired with an Edison Chalet B-19.  I don't imagine  
 that it's large enough to fit under a B-19 properly though.  As noted  
 above, the example I've found is oak.  The Haag  Bissex metal tag on  
 it shows a 1916 patent date.

 I've never seen one of these, and have only a very general idea of  
 what to offer.  I sure could use it, though.

 Any thoughts or insights from this group would be most welcome.

 Best to all,
 Andrew Baron
 Santa Fe

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Re: [Phono-L] need a crank

2011-07-01 Thread John Maeder

Hi Susan!  Welcome to the wonderful world of antique phonographs! I have been 
collecting and studying them for 44 years and not a week goes by where I don't 
learn something new!  
Actually, you have a Grafonola --  Columbia's version of a Victor Victrola -- 
made by Am. Graphophone Co. (American Graphophone Co.).  In the phonograph 
world, often different inter-related companies were formed -- one to hold 
patents, one to manufacture, and one to distribute).  In the case of your 
Grafonola, American Graphophone manufactured and held patents, while Columbia 
distributed.
Try George Vollema for the crank.  He's in Newsygo, Michigan at victrola 'at' 
triiton 'dot' net.  If he can't help you, post back and let us know!

 From: su...@hillsidehomestead.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 23:27:40 -0400
 Subject: [Phono-L] need a crank
 
 Hi Folks,
 
 I am still rather new here and new to phonographs. I have one
 phonograph...It is a Columbia Granfonola. It has a serial number metal
 plate, near the turntable which says
 No C. 95664. A. M. Graphone Co., Bridgeport, CT, Patents applied for
 
 I need a crank and it will work jus fine! This is for an historic farmstay I
 am opening in northern Michigan. I plan to let my guests use it and my pump
 organ!
 
 I sure do appreciate any help
 
 Susan Odom
 Hillside Homestead
 Suttons Bay, Michigan
 
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Fred Mc Cole's Death

2011-06-19 Thread John Maeder

Sorry to learn of Fred's passing.  I last spoke with him in April and was 
hoping to make a detour deeper into Texas to visit him on our way from Kentucky 
to Arizona in  early May, but our schedule did not allow it. As I write this I 
deeply regret that circumstance as I really would have loved to have seen Fred 
one more time.
Back in the 1980's, I lived for several years in Downey, California and Fred 
lived over the bridge in Southgate, which made me the closest collector to him 
geographically.  Many times my phone rang with Fred's voice on the other end 
saying, First peckerwood over here gets this [fill in the blank with a 
desirable phonograph] for [fill in the blank with a great price].  I'm fixin' 
to dust her off. If I have to dust her off the price goes up so you better 
hurry!. Fred loved to torment the hapless buyer with stuff like, My best 
price? $1 is MY best price, etc.  He was a self-described hornswaggler 
who wore Western shirts and one cuff of his jeans always caught at the top of 
one of his cowboy boots.  His mottoes were When you're dead, call Fred and I 
look for the wreath on the door, both references to his penchant for finding 
the widows of collectors and buying the collections, at least that's what Fred 
said.  A few times Fred did things that really ticked me off like selling 
another collector an early Victor VI that I had been making regular payments 
on, or the time we ran into one another at the Long Beach Flea Market and were 
walking together when I spotted a Triumph under a table out of the corner of my 
eye.  I headed to the Triumph and Fred headed to the seller and bought it for 
$300 while I had my hands on it. In spite of crap like that, I liked Fred and 
always enjoyed buying stuff from him because it was an experience you couldn't 
get anywhere else.  RIP old buddy.

From: jim...@earthlink.net
To: Phono-L@oldcrank.org
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 15:40:58 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Fred Mc Cole's Death

Just received an E-mail from former wife, Olga Mc Cole,  of antique 
phonograph collector-dealer Fred Mc Cole of Mineola, Texas saying that Fred 
passed away on 10 June.Though rather appalled by Fred's mix  match 
policy (creating  what he called  an Amberola II by installing an Amberola 
I-A mechanism in an Amberola III cabinet for instance),  I bought a number of 
nice phonographs from him over the last 15 or 20 years but due to financial 
setbacks hadn't seen him a several years.   (Best to stay away from 
temptations!) My last purchase from Fred were an Amberola I-A  the early 
table model Victrola XII sans the more ornate decoration of the later table 
model XII.I believe that before moving to Texas Mr. Mc Cole lived on the 
west coast so he may be remembered by collectors there. 
 
 
Jim Cartwright
IMMORTAL PERFORMANCES, INC
Austin’s Eclectic Used Record Store Since 1971
1404 West 30th Street Austin, Texas 78703-1402 USA
(512) 478-9954 E-mail: jim...@earthlink.net

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Re: [Phono-L] looking for a report on union

2011-06-14 Thread John Maeder

Mike Patella (not Patello):
Nine-five-four-six-four-nine-one-zero-three-seven

 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 From: zonophone2...@aol.com
 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 06:27:00 -0400
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] looking for a report on union

 HI ALL
 MIKE IS IN NORTH FLORIDA NEAR LAKE CITY
 BILL ENDLEIN MAY HAVE HIS PHONE NUMBER

 -Original Message-
 From: nick manolakis nippe...@hawaii.rr.com
 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Tue, Jun 14, 2011 2:39 am
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] looking for a report on union

 Tank you for the info on the Vtla 
 Is their anyone know how to get in contact with Mike Patello ?

 - Original Message - 
 From: Jeffry Young, D.O. jeff...@prevea.com
 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 5:19 AM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] looking for a report on union

  Mike Patello (spelling?) from Florida had one in a booth directly behind
  Norm and Janyne Smith and across fom Don and Bobby Gfell. 

  -Original Message-
  From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org]
  On Behalf Of William Taney
  Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 9:22 AM
  To: Antique Phonograph List
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] looking for a report on union

  There was one out in the tent directly past the door to the hall.
  Bill

  On Jun 13, 2011, at 8:42 AM, Bruce wrote:

  I didn't see a VTLA but Doug Defeis did have a Circassion 16 for sale.

  -Original Message-
  From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org]
  On
  Behalf Of nick manolakis
  Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 1:51 AM
  To: Antique Phonograph List
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] looking for a report on union

  Hi you all,

  I heard that someone had a nice VTLA CIRCASSION WALNUT.
  Does anyone know if it was sold? Or, if it possibly was not sold, does 
  anyone have the sellers name  contact information?

  Thank you,
  Nick

  - Original Message - 
  From: Scott M phonogra...@charter.net
  To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 2:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] looking for a report on union

  HI Rob;

  Union was great this year. There were so many high-quality
  phonographs, 
  tons
  of records, lots of brown wax, and things seemed to be selling.  This
  was
  the year of Victor 6s, Edison Operas,  Zonophones(at least 3 Model
  A's 
  and
  a model B.)

  The show didn't get crowded until late morning and from the people I
  spoke
  with, they said they sold fairly well.

  Some of the highlights I saw were:

  Bell-Tainter Model G
  North American
  Edison Bell Commercial
  Mahogany Victor 5
  Columiba S Coin-op with its base

  I didn't really check the prices, since I wasn't much of a buyer this 
  year.
  I'm sure someone else can fill this in.

  Overall, prices were fair, but on the high-end items, the prices were 
  high.
  It just shows that the best of the best keeps going up and can be a
  good
  investment.

  Scott

  -Original Message-
  From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org
  [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] 
  On
  Behalf Of zonophone2...@aol.com
  Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 5:39 PM
  To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Subject: [Phono-L] looking for a report on union

  hi all

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Re: [Phono-L] New Clarence Ferguson book edition available

2011-06-14 Thread John Maeder

John,
Please hold a book with a label for me.  I'll send you a check tomorrow.  
Please send your mailing address.
Thanks,
John
appywan...@hotmail.com

 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 22:35:54 -0700
 From: john9...@pacbell.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: [Phono-L] New Clarence Ferguson book edition available

 Hello All
 Due to the importance of sharing this information with the collecting 
 community (and after a search of the United States Copyright Office!), I am 
 happy to announce that I am offering, in a new and very readable format, the 
 Clarence Ferguson interview taped and transcribed y Leo Kimmet in 1968, where 
 he conducts a lengthy conversation Ferguson that is full of vital and 
 fascinating inside information.  Ferguson was employed in the Edison 
 phonograph factory since 1907 and eventually became an Edison Phonograph 
 dealer, who had new old stock to sell in both parts and records up until the 
 1950s/60s.  He was known as the 'last Edison dealer', 
 Some of you may remember the booklet, entitled The Edison Phonograph Company 
 and Related Opinions of Clarence Ferguson'.  It was published in a limited 
 number in 1972. Chapters include 'Records and Recording', 'Phonograph 
 Repairing', 'The Edison Plant', 'Phonograph Parts', 'Recording Artists' and 
 'Miscellaneous Information'. You won't believe what happened to a lot of new 
 phonographs and record moulds when the plant was closed...And what happened 
 to all the master cylinder moulds in the early 1930s at Babson Brothers...

 The new edition is printed in 8-1/2 x 11 format, with glossy cover, with 
 the addition of a photo of Clarence, a photo Leo Kimmet, and the reproduction 
 of Clarence's stamp with picture of an Edison phonograph with Edison's face 
 inside the horn and Clarence's address above.  As a special bonus, I have 
 acquired a number of the original cylinder box labels that Clarence had 
 printed up and which he would apply to original Edison Blue Amberol boxes.  
 One of Clarence's original labels will be included with each book sold. There 
 are a limited number of 100 labels available, so if you are interested please 
 order soon.
 The price is $12.50 including Media Mail shipping in the US. International 
 rates will be higher.  Pament can be made by Paypal or by check.  Please feel 
 free to ask questions.
 Thanks
 John Robles
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Re: [Phono-L] New Clarence Ferguson book edition available

2011-06-14 Thread John Maeder

John R.,
Your mailing address, please!
Thanks,
John M

 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 19:07:38 -0700
 From: john9...@pacbell.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New Clarence Ferguson book edition available

 H Steve
 Leo died on November 13, 2008 in Canon City, Colorado. The photo of him that 
 I used in the book is the only one of him I know of, and was used in the 
 obituary.
 John

 --- On Tue, 6/14/11, srsel...@aol.com srsel...@aol.com wrote:

 From: srsel...@aol.com srsel...@aol.com
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New Clarence Ferguson book edition available
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 6:18 PM

 I've been away from this email address and just catching up. I have Leo's  
 original book somewhere. Leo and I used to correspond by cassette letters in 
 the  1970s and 80s. I didn't remember hearing that Leo died. Anyone know? I 
 thought  he was still living.

 BTW, somewhere I have the audio tape of the interview that created Leo's  
 little book. Not sure where it is though. Came from Leo via the late John  
 Petty.

 Steve
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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy

2011-05-27 Thread John Maeder

I used to have a beautiful example that I picked up at an antiques mall in San 
Diego back in the mid-1980's.  I used to take it with me, along with a Maroon 
Gem, to Bluegrass and Old-Time music festivals that I frequented and set them 
up at my camp to play early country and string-band records for folks.  
Eventually sold it and the companion record storage locker for $1K.  That was 
probably in 1995 or 1996.  Private deal, not eBay.

 From: b...@taney.com
 Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 11:53:52 -0500
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army  Navy

 I bid on one of them too. I think I stopped at about 700 and also had the 
 feeling it would be a machine that might wind up in storage and felt that 
 would be a waste (what good is a machine if you don't play it occasionally)

 Bill
 On May 27, 2011, at 10:40 AM, bruce78...@comcast.net wrote:

 Makes you wonder what happened to all of the AN machines that went over to 
 the Battlefields of Europe to entertain the Troups, and what happened to all 
 of them after the War was over. How many were abandoned over there and never 
 brought back, and if not, what the did the respective Military units do with 
 the machines that eventually found there way back to the USA ? 

 Bruce 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Bruce Mercer maxbu...@wowway.com 
 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
 Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 11:21:12 AM 
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army  Navy 

 I agree with Bill. I've seen four or five A/N on ebay in that time span. I 
 remember the cheapest was 650.00, the others were right at 800.00. One was 
 in very nice cosmetic condition with some paperwork. I almost bid on it 
 myself it was so nice, then came to my senses about 'where' I would put it. 
 Check religiously and one will pop up. 
 Bruce 

 - Original Message - 
 From: Bill Taney b...@taney.com 
 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
 Cc: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
 Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 10:57 PM 
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army  Navy 

  I have seen 4 up for sale in the last 2 years on eBay. They seem to be 
  worth about 800 bucks. 
  Bill 

  Sent from my iPhone 

  On May 26, 2011, at 8:47 AM, ny victrolaman victrola...@gmail.com wrote: 

  Thanks. I've read the Frow book many times, but I was hoping for 
  something 
  more recent and maybe crowd-sourced. 

  How about the second half of my inquiry: How difficult would it be to 
  find 
  one today in fairly good condition, and how much should such an example 
  command in today's market? 

  On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 8:11 AM, Philip Carli  
  philip_ca...@pittsford.monroe.edu wrote: 

  Check the Frow book -- he certainly gives production history for the 
  model. 
  PC 

  From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On 
  Behalf Of bruce78...@comcast.net [bruce78...@comcast.net] 
  Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 6:55 AM 
  To: Antique Phonograph List 
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army  Navy 

  I am not sure whether those statistics exist anywhere. If anyone would 
  know 
  it would be Author and Edison Historian and expert Ron Dethlefson or 
  possibly the curator of the Edison Historic Site. I have an original 
  Army  
  Navy, and it has serial number 2934, which is one of the highest serial 
  numbers I have encountered for AN Edison phonographs. How many still 
  exist 
  ? I could wager a wild guess and say, maybe less then 100 ? again, just 
  a 
  guess. I am not sure what % survival estimates, phonograph historians 
  place 
  on models where the actual production output is known. 

  Bruce 
  - Original Message - 
  From: ny victrolaman victrola...@gmail.com 
  To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 10:33:07 PM 
  Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Army  Navy 

  Does anyone have any idea how many Edison Army  Navy phonographs were 
  made 
  during World War I, and how many might still exist? How hard would it be 
  to 
  find one in good (preferably original) condition, and what should one 
  expect 
  to pay for one? 
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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy

2011-05-27 Thread John Maeder

Wasn't there a connection between AN machines and the USS Shenandoah, a 
lighter-than-air craft?

 From: jackwhe...@hotmail.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 17:19:57 +
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army  Navy

 In the March
 1919 issue of “Edison Diamond Points”, one of Edison periodical's for the 
 company’s
 jobbers and dealers, there was an interesting quote:  “when all the Army and 
 Navy models that have
 survived the war come back to this country, someone will have to write a book 
 about
 them”.  

 One of Thomas Edison’s long time,right-hand men,
 William Maxwell, who we’d now call Vice President of Sales, helped spearhead a
 charitable contribution pay for the for the supply of Army Navy Phonographs.  
 After making the trip to France on a United
 States troup transport ship, Maxwell recognized the need for phonographs to
 entertain troops on their way to France and other European countries.  Edison 
 set up a special fund and launched a program
 to raise money at the Edison Dealers Convention.  Before long, contributions 
 from dealers and
 jobbers, individuals and charitable organizations had raised sufficient funds
 to supply all transport ships with these specially priced (below cost) Army
 Navy phonographs.
 Jack

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[Phono-L] Kurtzmann items wanted

2011-05-23 Thread John Maeder

After 44 years of searching, I finally found a Kurtzmann phonograph. It is a 
'Studio' model with glass back, sides, motor board, and turntable.  I bought it 
from the family of the original owners in Buffalo, and also received the 
original sales receipt from 1921, when it sold for $230.  I already have an 
original Kurtzmann sales brochure that shows several other models more 
expensive than the 'Studio' in increasingly more elaborate cabinets, but I 
would like to find more Kurtzmann support materials, if possible.  I don't know 
if they had dusters, needle tins, record indexes, or albums; or print ads, 
etc., but if anyone has any Kurtzmann memorabilia for sale or encounters any, 
please let me know.  Thanks!  
John 502-410-9269 (cel)
  
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[Phono-L] Kurtzmann items wanted

2011-05-03 Thread John Maeder

Looking for any Kurtzmann phonograph objects or ephemera -- dusters, needle 
tins, catalogs, brochures, etc., and for any Kurtzmann phonographs other than 
the 'Studio' model (I have an example of that model).  Thanks!
John
  
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Re: [Phono-L] Kurtzmann items wanted

2011-05-03 Thread John Maeder

Dan, thanks, but I'm looking more for historical artifacts rather than 
documentary items.

Kind regards,
John

 From: appywan...@hotmail.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 09:31:15 -0400
 Subject: [Phono-L] Kurtzmann items wanted

 Looking for any Kurtzmann phonograph objects or ephemera -- dusters, needle 
 tins, catalogs, brochures, etc., and for any Kurtzmann phonographs other than 
 the 'Studio' model (I have an example of that model).  Thanks!
 John

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Re: [Phono-L] Picture

2011-04-23 Thread John Maeder

Not to sound like a broken record, but it's just that Kurt couldn't seem to get 
it to work.  I wasn't aware of this feature when I posted my reply, but I was 
just trying to help Kurt post a picture.  Not sure if the problem was operator 
error or what, but apparently it's not foolproof -- and Zin saying that, I'm 
not insinuating that Kurt is a fool by any means.  I wish I hadn't brought it 
up. I'm obviously chopped liver.

 From: phonol...@mac.com
 Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 19:40:00 -0700
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture

 Again, not to sound like a broken record, all you have to do is attach it to 
 your reply.  There are several recent replies on this board that have done 
 that, and you just have to click on the link that appears at the bottom.  It 
 does not work with Phonolist, only Phono-L.

 Thanks for this feature Loran.

 On Apr 22, 2011, at 9:01 AM, John Maeder wrote:

  Not to sound like a broken record (yukyukyuk), but an image hosting site 
  will allow images to be posted here quite easily.

  From: vinyl.visi...@live.com
  To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 08:59:43 -0400
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture

  Hi Kurt,Thanks for putting up the pic of the rooster. Just like the one I 
  found in the old store. Your other travel pics are great as well... looks 
  like you had a great time. Were you able to clear up the poison ivy and 
  Mango tree poisoning after being wrapped up in that tree??? :)Curt

  Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 23:48:34 -0500
  To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
  From: na...@78rpm.com
  Subject: [Phono-L] Picture

  On Phono-L, you just need to attach the photo to your reply.  It 
  will be automatically placed in on a file server and a link will be 
  added to your reply.

  I did that, but nothing happened.

  So I flipped the bird onto the Behind the Scenes page at www.78rpm.com.

  Enjoy!

  Kurt Nauck
  c/o Nauck's Vintage Records
  22004 Sherrod Ln.
  Spring, TX  77389

  Website: www.78rpm.com
  E-Mail: na...@78rpm.com
  www.newpledge.org
  www.mdada.org

  Phone: (281) 288-7826
  Fax: (425) 930-6862

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Re: [Phono-L] Picture

2011-04-22 Thread John Maeder

True, but the discussion is being held here . . . and not everyone has their 
own website.  That's kind of what image hosting is -- a website for people who 
don't have websites.

 From: vinyl.visi...@live.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 18:16:06 -0400
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture

 If you have your own website, it's easier yet... and no ads.

  From: appywan...@hotmail.com
  To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 12:01:21 -0400
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture

  Not to sound like a broken record (yukyukyuk), but an image hosting site 
  will allow images to be posted here quite easily.

   From: vinyl.visi...@live.com
   To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
   Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 08:59:43 -0400
   Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture

   Hi Kurt,Thanks for putting up the pic of the rooster. Just like the one I 
   found in the old store. Your other travel pics are great as well... looks 
   like you had a great time. Were you able to clear up the poison ivy and 
   Mango tree poisoning after being wrapped up in that tree??? :)Curt

Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 23:48:34 -0500
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
From: na...@78rpm.com
Subject: [Phono-L] Picture

 On Phono-L, you just need to attach the photo to your reply.  It 
will be automatically placed in on a file server and a link will be 
added to your reply.

I did that, but nothing happened.

So I flipped the bird onto the Behind the Scenes page at www.78rpm.com.

Enjoy!

Kurt Nauck
c/o Nauck's Vintage Records
22004 Sherrod Ln.
Spring, TX  77389

Website: www.78rpm.com
E-Mail: na...@78rpm.com
www.newpledge.org
www.mdada.org

Phone: (281) 288-7826
Fax: (425) 930-6862

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Re: [Phono-L] Picture

2011-04-21 Thread John Maeder

Kurt,
Go to an image hosting site such as www.imageshack.com.
Click on browse and select the image you want to show from whatever folder is 
on your computer.
Click upload and imageshack will save the picture on it's server and the page 
will rollover showing a list of HTML codes.  Select and copy one of the links 
that is for forums.  Paste the link into your email message to Phono-L and it 
will appear as a live link.
All we have to do is click on it and the picture will open on our computers.

 Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 14:55:41 -0500
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 From: na...@78rpm.com
 Subject: [Phono-L] Picture
 
 How do I post a picture?
 
 Kurt Nauck
 c/o Nauck's Vintage Records
 22004 Sherrod Ln.
 Spring, TX  77389
 
 Website: www.78rpm.com
 E-Mail: na...@78rpm.com
 www.newpledge.org
 www.mdada.org
 
 Phone: (281) 288-7826
 Fax: (425) 930-6862
 
 
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[Phono-L] Diameter of Diamond Disc reproducer linkage

2011-04-11 Thread John Maeder

Can/would someone on the list please measure the diameter of the silk linkage 
on a Diamond Disc reproducer with a micrometer and tell me what the measurement 
is?  Thanks!
  
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Re: [Phono-L] Decorated Gem

2011-04-10 Thread John Maeder

There's a folk-painting style called 'rosemaling'.  I'm not sure if it's 
exactly the same as tole-painting, but it's quite similar.

 From: aph4...@aol.com
 Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 20:28:47 -0400
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Decorated Gem

 In a message dated 4/10/11 6:06:47 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
 vinyl.visi...@live.com writes:

 By the  way, what is toll painting?
 In the 50's-60's - toll painting took a  toll on your health, because 
 paint contained lead.  :)

 OK. Since I knew that you made that bit of information up--I went and  
 Googled toll painting.
 It's is actually spelled Tole painting and it's a form of folk art with  
 examples showing flowered designs very similar to that on the Gem phono.   
 Who knows when it was painted?? I'll bet in the 1960s when it was popular.
 --Art
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Re: [Phono-L] Pathe

2011-03-13 Thread John Maeder

Looking at the photo on my phone.  Can't really say what it is.  Metal was just 
my first reaction.

 From: vinyl.visi...@live.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 20:38:41 -0400
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Pathe

 Maybe it's a coin-op - you throw your money into the dish next to the 
 turntable... :)

  Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 16:54:38 -0700
  From: john9...@pacbell.net
  To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Pathe

  Looks like a wood horn to me. Interesting machine! Guido always has good 
  stuff.
  John

  --- On Sun, 3/13/11, John Maeder appywan...@hotmail.com wrote:

  From: John Maeder appywan...@hotmail.com
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Pathe
  To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Date: Sunday, March 13, 2011, 12:14 PM

  Don't think that is a diffusor cone.  Looks to be a spun metal horn that is 
  being fed from the tone-arm.

   From: vinyl.visi...@live.com
   To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
   Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 13:18:39 -0400
   Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Pathe

   Here is a similar Radior phonograph which plays all 78's: 
   http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-RADIOR-COMBINATON-PHONOGRAPH-PATHE-/270715897124?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3f07ecc524

Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 18:15:41 -0800
From: john9...@pacbell.net
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Pathe

I had a chance to get this little Pathe inside horn machine, cabinet 
needed a little tightening, and it was only $65. But I got the feeling 
that the guy didn't want to ship it because he asked if I would pick it 
up. I said I would need it shipped, so he got the price for me, and I 
said ok. Then he said, well, someone else was going to pick it up, so I 
need to see if they want to do that. He asked, and they did. I was not 
happy..
J

--- On Sat, 3/12/11, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote:

From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Pathe
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Saturday, March 12, 2011, 5:06 PM

John,

What you really need is the little Pathe tabletop machine - I am not 
sure what model - that has what looks like an external horn sticking 
out of the front just below the turntable. It kind of reminds you of an 
old fashioned wood box coffee grinder - taller than it is wide. That is 
a great looking machine and very unusual. 

I'm with you, I appreciate all phonographs, but am not a big fan of 
large floor models. That being said, there is one other external horn 
Pathe that I would love - it is a large floor model machine probably 
used in public venues - I think coin op - that has a very large horn on 
a long neck - it looks like it could be six feet tall. Again, I am not 
sure of the model, but it is probably a very expensive machine. I 
really like Pathe's - they seem to have a Rube Goldberg essence about 
them...

Curt

 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 17:02:46 -0800
 From: john9...@pacbell.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Pathe

 Hi Kurt
 To make room I'd have to sell something and there's nothing I want to 
 sell right now! Besides which I am not much for upright machines.
 Thanks
 John

 --- On Sat, 3/12/11, Kurt Nauck na...@78rpm.com wrote:

 From: Kurt Nauck na...@78rpm.com
 Subject: [Phono-L] Pathe
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Saturday, March 12, 2011, 1:20 PM

 Yes, diffuser - that's the word. A very interesting contraption - 
 especially the way the whole assembly rotates in order to switch from 
 vertical to lateral. And surprisingly good sounding as well.

 Of course, I could deliver it to you on my way to ARSC in May, John. 
 That would give you plenty of time to clear out a spot for it!

 Kurt Nauck
 c/o Nauck's Vintage Records
 22004 Sherrod Ln.
 Spring, TX  77389

 Website: www.78rpm.com
 E-Mail: na...@78rpm.com
 www.newpledge.org
 www.mdada.org

 Phone: (281) 288-7826
 Fax: (425) 930-6862

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Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BC 20th Century

2011-03-11 Thread John Maeder

Another skilled restorer of these mechanisms is Harold Braker in Canada.  He is 
also reproducing parts for them.  His number is 604-572-6110.  He doesn't have 
email and sometimes may be a bit difficult to contact, so be persistent and 
patient if you don't reach him right away.  A very decent man to deal with.

 From: durand7...@cox.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 15:23:18 -0500
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BC  20th Century

 Burdette,
 You want to contact Paul Baker - email:  cla...@adelphia.net
  He is the expert on that machine.
 Good luck,
 Don Durand
 - Original Message - 
 From: Burdette Walters burdettewalt...@yahoo.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 1:26 PM
 Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia BC 20th Century

 I recently aquired a Columbia B C. The gear that runs the governor had 
 leather
  recessed in it, which is gone. The governor runs on the edge, where the 
  teeth
  are. Does anyone make these gear, or have an idea how to deal with this 
  problem?
  Also does anyone know how to adjust the reproducer. It plays, but not as 
  loud as
  it should be.
  Thanks in advance.
  Burdette Walters

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Re: [Phono-L] Looking for tabletop Pathe or possibly Brunswick phono

2011-03-11 Thread John Maeder

Pathé called them 'diffusors', Kurt.

 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 18:25:03 -0600
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 From: na...@78rpm.com
 Subject: [Phono-L] Looking for tabletop Pathe or possibly Brunswick phono

 I have a great floor model Pathé with a Gothic 
 style oak case and a large cone 
 diaphragm/arm/reproducer set-up (don't recall 
 what they termed this thing) - if you're 
 interested, let me know and I'll email pictures.

 Kurt Nauck
 c/o Nauck's Vintage Records
 22004 Sherrod Ln.
 Spring, TX  77389

 Website: www.78rpm.com
 E-Mail: na...@78rpm.com
 www.newpledge.org
 www.mdada.org

 Phone: (281) 288-7826
 Fax: (425) 930-6862

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Re: [Phono-L] Widdicomb

2011-01-26 Thread John Maeder

After the fundamental patents owned by the Victor Talking Machine Company 
expired in 1917, anyone could enter the lateral-groove disc record/phonograph 
record business without fear of being sued into bankruptcy by Victor's legal 
department.  Dozens if not hundreds of manufacturers answered the call.  The 
Widdicomb was produced sometime between 1917-1924 by a company in Grand Rapids 
that either was or had access to a furniture factory (Grand Rapids being a 
center of furniture manufacture).  The audio parts and motors were usually 
obtained from a third-party maker or importer.

 From: bkk...@comcast.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:05:57 -0500
 Subject: [Phono-L] Widdicomb
 
 Here's a link for high Rez jpegs of the Widdicomb that I just
 acquired..any thoughts on age etc.?
 
  
 
 http://www.4shared.com/dir/Lzzgc5Tp/sharing.html
 
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Re: [Phono-L] More phonos from Shorpy

2010-12-31 Thread John Maeder

You'll notice in the bike shop photo, the phonograph that the men are clustered 
around at the back right of the photo (actually the front of the store) is 
fitted with an 'Ideal Self-Supporting Horn'.

 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 23:55:52 -0800
 From: smst...@gmail.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: [Phono-L] More phonos from Shorpy

 More from Shorpy, high def...

 http://www.shorpy.com/node/3582?size=_original

 http://www.shorpy.com/node/9414?size=_original

 The Mall, two phono stores,
 http://www.shorpy.com/node/7402?size=_original

 Dan M is that a nipper in a dog house on the right by the doll?
 http://www.shorpy.com/node/6302?size=_original

 This one is for you Dan M
 http://www.shorpy.com/node/1972?size=_original

 No phono's but what a drug store!
 http://www.shorpy.com/node/6676?size=_original

 Oldcranky
 Mike
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Re: [Phono-L] Future travel

2010-12-02 Thread John Maeder

Art,
I just forwarded your inquiry to an American phonograph collecting friend 
currently living in the Czech Republic.  I'm sure he will contact you.

John

 From: aph4...@aol.com
 Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 01:36:01 -0500
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: [Phono-L] Future travel

 Just thought I'd ask if anyone had any phono contacts in Prague or the  
 Czech Republic.  We're planning a trip there this spring and I always like  
 to 
 look up interested phono people. You can post information here or to my 
 email  address: _aph4...@aol.com_ (mailto:aph4...@aol.com) .

 Thanks,  Art Heller
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Re: [Phono-L] Original or restored?

2010-11-13 Thread John Maeder

Ron,
Visit a commercial janitorial supply house and pick up a jug of enzyme 
carpet/upholstery deodorizer.  It will eat the proteins that are causing the 
mildew smell, but be careful not to get it on areas that have been hide-glued 
or else you may end up regluing them.

 From: steve_nor...@msn.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 16:43:16 -0500
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Original or restored?

 Ron said it very well.  I would favor a mint machine over a restored one but 
 I would not discriminate over a restored machine as that is the only way most 
 people can own a mint looking machine.  I would also love to have a 1795 
 silver dollar in uncirculated condition, but I had to settle for one with a 
 hole that was filled in that was in average condition.  

 I recently got a gold Exhibition in the deluxe hinged box, the mildew smell 
 was horrible.  I sprayed the inside with Lysol and I will have to treat it 
 once more to get rid of the smell.  Some people would likely be upset I got 
 rid of the original mildew, but if you cannot enjoy what you have why 
 collect?  I cringe when someone cleans $20,000 of the value of an Idelia by 
 polishing the copper oxidation off, but some people cringe when you restore 
 an all brass horn to original look.  

 Most people would prefer mint machines, but the reality is if you want to 
 enjoy a machine that looks perfect it will most likely be restored.  The only 
 two machines that I have that are excellent is my VV-IV and my VV-VI that 
 came in an aftermarked console which protected it.  

 My Triumph E is one I had restored.  Someone varnished over the whole thing 
 and ruined the case, made the pin striping run, and the machine was in 
 excellent shape until someone ruined it.

 I had the bedplate refinished, now it looks better than new.  I enjoy the 
 machine because it looks so nice, when I want to play records I go to my 
 crappy looking A in a B case Triumph.  I have seen people with machines that 
 look new, unfortunately there are not enought to go around.

 One year a radio collector brought a Triumph A with a wooden horn and an iron 
 and brass O to show it to people.  The finish was so alligatored it acutally 
 felt like the reptile when you touched it.  The O was rusty and when I told 
 the guy it would restore nicely he was horrified and told me he did not buy 
 it to listen to or restore, he liked to keep things just as he found them.  

 Steve

  I agree with Steve.  It depends on condition and the machine itself. It can 
  be subjective and dependent on the collector or individual as well.  Do you 
  want a common but pristine original Vic -IV, for example, or would you 
  rather have a refurbished and refinished Edison Opera brought back to 
  showroom beauty?  Also rarity might be a consideration.  Would someone wait 
  for a near original Edison Idealia or take one that was redone?  It 
  depends...cost, rarity, the collector themselves are only a few of the 
  considerations.  
  I think most of us would take the rarest machine in the most original 
  condition at the lowest cost (speaking in general terms).  Cost, especially 
  in todays economy may be a key determiner in the utlimate decision made.

  Ron 

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Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring

2010-11-09 Thread John Maeder

Is it certain that there was never a compression spring fitted over the 
threaded post between the crane and capture nut that would have allowed the 
weight of the horn to float upon the reproducer and carriage?  It would seem 
that a springless support would be a rather obvious design flaw to such a 
compulsive over-engineer as Edison.  A loose spring could easily be lost and 
thus not evident in surviving examples.  Are there any original parts sheets 
for this type of horn support?

 From: steve_nor...@msn.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 08:47:35 -0500
 Subject: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring

  From: gbogan...@charter.net
  To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 22:30:29 -0500
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring

  I have an early 10 panel cygnet horn and springless crane on an Edison 
  Fireside.  As you surmise, the system doesn't work very well as the force 
  placed on the carriage by the horn varies with the position of the 
  carriage. 
  It happens to work on my particular example because the rubber coupling 
  from 
  my reproducer to the horn is old and somewhat loose.  This allows the 
  rubber 
  coupler to move vertically a bit as the carriage moves which results in a 
  more uniform carriage pressure.  But this original setup was not 
  satisfactory, I'm sure, and that's why the later versions use the spring to 
  suspend the horn from the crane.

  Greg Bogantz

  - Original Message - 
  From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com
  To: phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com; Phono-l 
  phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 9:08 PM
  Subject: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring

   Hello,

   Does anyone have an early cygnet horn without the spring?  How do these 
   work without the coil spring?  I have seen them but it does not look like 
   a workable system to me.

   Steve
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Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring

2010-11-09 Thread John Maeder

Sorry John. All I have is my phone right now and can't see the pics for some 
reason.

 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 06:42:09 -0800
 From: john9...@pacbell.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring

 If you look at the pictures at the link I posted yesterday, you can see there 
 was no way a spring could have been inserted between the suspension and the 
 capture nut. The capture nut is molded as part of the suspension bolt.
 John Robles

 --- On Tue, 11/9/10, John Maeder appywan...@hotmail.com wrote:

 From: John Maeder appywan...@hotmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 6:11 AM

 Is it certain that there was never a compression spring fitted over the 
 threaded post between the crane and capture nut that would have allowed the 
 weight of the horn to float upon the reproducer and carriage?  It would seem 
 that a springless support would be a rather obvious design flaw to such a 
 compulsive over-engineer as Edison.  A loose spring could easily be lost and 
 thus not evident in surviving examples.  Are there any original parts sheets 
 for this type of horn support?

  From: steve_nor...@msn.com
  To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 08:47:35 -0500
  Subject: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring

   From: gbogan...@charter.net
   To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
   Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 22:30:29 -0500
   Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring

   I have an early 10 panel cygnet horn and springless crane on an 
   Edison 
   Fireside.  As you surmise, the system doesn't work very well as the force 
   placed on the carriage by the horn varies with the position of the 
   carriage. 
   It happens to work on my particular example because the rubber coupling 
   from 
   my reproducer to the horn is old and somewhat loose.  This allows the 
   rubber 
   coupler to move vertically a bit as the carriage moves which results in a 
   more uniform carriage pressure.  But this original setup was not 
   satisfactory, I'm sure, and that's why the later versions use the spring 
   to 
   suspend the horn from the crane.

   Greg Bogantz

   - Original Message - 
   From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com
   To: phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com; Phono-l 
   phono-l@oldcrank.org
   Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 9:08 PM
   Subject: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring

Hello,

Does anyone have an early cygnet horn without the spring?  How do these 
work without the coil spring?  I have seen them but it does not look 
like 
a workable system to me.

Steve
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Re: [Phono-L] Off-Topic -- Looking for early patent help in France

2010-06-02 Thread John Maeder

I think that was simply a rhetorical question he posed to make the post 
relevant to phonographs and therefore 'on-topic'.  The answer to it is pretty 
obvious!

 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 From: john9...@pacbell.net
 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:51:55 +
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Off-Topic -- Looking for early patent help in France

 The 4-40 has the smallest re-entrant horn and I daresay it can sound better 
 than the Credenza!
 John R
 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

 -Original Message-
 From: Douglas Houston cdh...@earthlink.net
 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 11:26:04 
 To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Off-Topic -- Looking for early patent help in France

 I'd say no. The Credenza has the full size re-entrant horn, and the
 Consolette has (as I understand), a simple, straight horn. 

 The Consolette will probably blow any previous Victor model out of the
 water, with sound level and, of course, frequency response, but the low end
 won't be there, as it is in the Credenza. 

  [Original Message]
  From: Chris Kocsis chris...@cox.net
  To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Date: 6/2/2010 9:32:22 AM
  Subject: [Phono-L] Off-Topic -- Looking for early patent help in France

  My apologies for this request unrelated to phonographs, but I'm looking 
  for someone in France who is able to look up a patent number (205058) 
  and tell me what the device is that it refers to.  It is probably 
  1920s-30s.  My hope is that there is a phono collector there who knows 
  how to look this up (online patents don't go back that far) or can tell 
  me how to do it. 

  Phono question: Does a Victor Consolette sound about as good as a
 Credenza?

  Thanks,

  Chris
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Re: [Phono-L] Steel needle manufacturer??

2010-04-15 Thread John Maeder

Dwayne Wyatt has a good price on quantities of 1000+

 From: lhera...@bu.edu
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:00:25 -0400
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Steel needle manufacturer??

 Antique Phonograph supply would be the best bet.

 -Original Message-
 From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
 Behalf Of john9...@pacbell.net
 Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 11:28 AM
 To: Antique Phonograph List
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Steel needle manufacturer??

 Hi I didn't see them on the site, but the president wrote back to tell me
 they do make them and asking the quantity I would want..
 Where can I get 1 of 2 or 3 sizes at a reasonable price?
 Thanks
 John
 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

 -Original Message-
 From: phonop...@aol.com
 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 07:17:28 
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Steel needle manufacturer??

 Yes, it's Bagshaw. They've been making them since the early 1900s. But
 here's the catch --- you've got to buy A LOT, I mean A LOT -- and they won't
 be in little bags. So, it's a big expense and a lot of work. For most people
 it's too big a project, but go to

 www.whbagshaw.com

 Regards to all,

 Tim Fabrizio
 www.phonophan.com
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Re: [Phono-L] Amberola A-VI help

2010-03-27 Thread John Maeder

I would think nylon would make a strong and quiet gear, rather than cutting 
replacements from metals.

 Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 08:51:23 -0700
 From: john9...@pacbell.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola A-VI help

 I understand that the early brass gear was noisy and this aluminum 
 replacement wore out. Why didn't they make it of steel? Aluminum seems a 
 stupid choice. There must be a way to remedy this.Maybe I need to go find 
 an old fashioned machine shop or a clock gear maker!
 John

 --- On Sat, 3/27/10, c5...@aol.com c5...@aol.com wrote:

 From: c5...@aol.com c5...@aol.com
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola A-VI help
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 7:03 AM

 I have the same problem with mine. Did anybody make a reproduction? 

 In a message dated 3/27/2010 9:59:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
 john9...@pacbell.net writes:

 Hello  all
 I have a beautiful Amberola A-VI with that loud aluminum gear - anyone  
 suggest any fixes or methods of quieting it? With the lid down it is ok, but 
 I  
 am thinking of having a new gear made.
 Anyone got a junker with a gear  that's not too badly worn? This is a 
 beautiful and interesting machine, too  bad it was such a failure.
 Thanks
 John  Robles
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Re: [Phono-L] Amberola A-VI help

2010-03-27 Thread John Maeder

I think nylon would solve the immediate problem, and would not be an 
irreversible repair.

 From: tom...@msn.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 23:29:03 -0500
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola A-VI help

 As long as it plays cylinders well, I would leave it alone.

 My two cents worth...

 -Original Message-
 From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
 Behalf Of john robles
 Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 8:39 PM
 To: Antique Phonograph List
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola A-VI help

 That's a point. I bought it because it was so unusual and beautiful, and
 maybe the noise is a part of that. but that aluminum gear is going to keep
 on wearing down...I like the nylon idea!
 John
 --- On Sat, 3/27/10, Mike Stitt smst...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Mike Stitt smst...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola A-VI help
 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 12:11 PM

 Perhaps the machine is what it is...It has made 90+ years. Enjoy it squawks
 and noises and wrinkles.
 It has earned them. Funny tho' my beard has gone gray and silver, think I
 might dye it back to red.
 Oldcranky

 On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 10:27 AM, John Maeder appywan...@hotmail.comwrote:

  I would think nylon would make a strong and quiet gear, rather than
 cutting
  replacements from metals.

   Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 08:51:23 -0700
   From: john9...@pacbell.net
   To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
   Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola A-VI help

   I understand that the early brass gear was noisy and this aluminum
  replacement wore out. Why didn't they make it of steel? Aluminum seems a
  stupid choice. There must be a way to remedy this.Maybe I need to go
  find an old fashioned machine shop or a clock gear maker!
   John

   --- On Sat, 3/27/10, c5...@aol.com c5...@aol.com wrote:

   From: c5...@aol.com c5...@aol.com
   Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola A-VI help
   To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
   Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 7:03 AM

   I have the same problem with mine. Did anybody make a reproduction?

   In a message dated 3/27/2010 9:59:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
   john9...@pacbell.net writes:

   Hello  all
   I have a beautiful Amberola A-VI with that loud aluminum gear - anyone
   suggest any fixes or methods of quieting it? With the lid down it is ok,
  but I
   am thinking of having a new gear made.
   Anyone got a junker with a gear  that's not too badly worn? This is a
   beautiful and interesting machine, too  bad it was such a failure.
   Thanks
   John  Robles
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[Phono-L] Attn. Greg Bogantz

2010-03-14 Thread John Maeder

Hi Greg,
Please call me at five-oh-two-four-one-zero-nine-two-six-nine or email me at 
appywander 'at' hotmail 'dot' com.

This is time sensitive so sooner is better than later.

John
  
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[Phono-L] Attn: Greg Bogantz

2010-03-14 Thread John Maeder

Hi Greg,
Please call me at five-oh-two-four-one-zero-nine-two-six-nine or email me at 
appywander 'at' hotmail 'dot' com.
It's a little time-sensitive so sooner is better than later.

John
  
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Re: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.

2010-02-15 Thread John Maeder

The light oil in WD-40 is fish oil. I agree, this stuff -- along with garbage 
'disposals' and 'duct' tape -- is one of the most mis-marketed, 
mis-recommended, and mis-used consumer items on the planet! Back when I was in 
facilities management, I cannot tell you how many locks I encountered that 
someone had 'lubricated' by spraying WD-40 into the keyway turning the dry 
powdered graphite lube into a cementitious mass that requires disassembly and 
cleaning of the lock.  When I found a can of 'WD-DooDoo' (as I like to call it) 
on a maintenance man's shelf, I would confiscate it. That stuff is 99% useless. 
 

 From: steve_nor...@msn.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 17:16:34 -0500
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
 
 
 Hello Greg,
 
 I cannot agree more.  I put a spring in a plastic bag with WD-40 for long 
 term storage and the spring rusted.  WD-40 does nothing to help removing old 
 grease and gasoline actually make it harder to remove.
 
 Molybdenum-disulfide  performs the same function as graphite without the 
 abrasive qualities of the graphite.
 
 Steve
 
  From: gbogan...@charter.net
  To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 15:17:17 -0500
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
  
  I wish people would stop recommending WD-40 as an all-purpose 
  lubricant. 
  It is particularly UNSUITABLE for lubricating fine mechanisms with small 
  parts.  It was originally designed as a  waterproofing agent, hence, it's 
  name WD-40 refers to the fact that it is a water displacement product, 
  this being the 40th attempt.  It was invented in 1953, before which time 
  plenty of other products were found quite suitable for lubrication 
  purposes. 
  The long-term ingredient is a VISCOUS oil that is carried by a light, 
  highly 
  volatile mineral oil carrier, similar to kerosene.  The kerosene acts as a 
  penetrating agent which serves to carry the heavy oil into cracks and 
  crevices, the better to waterproof the treated object.  So, yes, the 
  kerosene performs as a penetrating oil for about 5 minutes.  Then the 
  kerosene evaporates, and you're left with the sticky oil worked into the 
  cracks and crannies.  See the description and ingredients here:
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WD-40
  
  This description has fit my experience exactly.  After the carrier 
  evaporates, you've got a sticky, tacky mess left on the object you're 
  trying 
  to lubricate.  Bad choice for small gears and pinions.  I find that WD-40 
  is useful primarily for exactly what it was originally intended - 
  waterproofing.  And it functions as a lubricant for heavier mechanisms, 
  although a proper oil or grease is far preferable.
  
  If you want a penetrating oil, use pure kerosene.  I use an automotive 
  product that consists of a very light volatile carrier with suspended tiny 
  graphite particles called Part-Ease.  It's particularly good for stuck 
  rusty parts.  Don't know if that brand is still available - the can I'm 
  using is one I bought 30 years ago.  Works good on exhaust manifold bolts 
  on 
  cars and motorcycles.  If you want a proper lubricant for fine mechanisms 
  like clocks and similar low-torque mechanisms, use a proper very light oil 
  such as can be purchased from clock repair parts suppliers.  Proper light 
  clock oil does not dry up or get tacky.  And it's available in various 
  viscosities for light, medium, and moderately heavy torque applications. 
  For most phonograph mechanisms, I find that ordinary 20 or 30 weight 
  automotive motor oil works quite well.  For sliding surfaces such as the 
  reproducer bearing bar surfaces on many Edison cylinder machines, I use a 
  mixture of 30 weight oil and a PTFE (teflon) product such as Slick 50. 
  The PTFE provides long lasting surface penetration into the metal for 
  superior reduction of sliding friction and stiction.  Actually, I like this 
  oil-PTFE mixture so well that I now use if for all my medium-duty 
  lubrication needs.  For very heavy torque applications such as the main 
  bull 
  gears of phonographs, an ordinary automotive grease is appropriate.  I use 
  a 
  molybdenum-disulfide based grease (molly dum-dum for you motorcycle 
  wrenches out there) for most applications.  It doesn't dry out, channel, 
  and 
  get stiff like many lithium based greases.
  
  Greg Bogantz
  
  
  
  - Original Message - 
  From: Curt Angstman vinyl.visi...@live.com
  To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 8:36 AM
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
  
  
  
  Hi Gabriel,
  
  
  
  For basic motor cleaning, remove the motor from the machine and find a 
  container large enough to fit it in. Fill the container with kerosene and 
  let it soak for several days. Use a toothbrush to remove sludge from gears 
  and small parts. Kerosene will not harm your motor and will actually 
  lubricate it. When

Re: [Phono-L] WD 40

2010-02-15 Thread John Maeder

They must have changed formulation. Just a few years ago, I recall reading the 
obituary of one of the founders and he boasted that he could drink the main 
active ingredient with no I'll effects. It must actually be WD-41 now!

 From: steve_nor...@msn.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:38:10 -0500
 Subject: [Phono-L] WD 40

 Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) It is not fish oil, I got that e-mail and 
 believed it for a while.  Below is the list from their MSDS sheet.

 http://www.wd40.com/files/pdf/msds-wd494716385.pdf

 Aliphatic Hydrocarbon 45 to 50%

 Petroleum Base Oil  less than 25%

 LVP Aliphatic Hydrocarbon  12 to 18%

 Carbon Dioxide 2 to 3%

 Surfactant less than 2%

 Non-Hazardous Ingredients less than 10%

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Re: [Phono-L] WD 40

2010-02-15 Thread John Maeder

Good one! LOLOLOL!

 From: rvu...@comcast.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:58:29 -0500
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] WD 40
 
 Interesting that you read this in his obituary.  Maybe that should tell you 
 something.
 - Original Message - 
 From: John Maeder appywan...@hotmail.com
 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 3:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] WD 40
 
 
  They must have changed formulation. Just a few years ago, I recall reading 
  the obituary of one of the founders and he boasted that he could drink the 
  main active ingredient with no I'll effects. It must actually be WD-41 
  now!
 
  From: steve_nor...@msn.com
  To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:38:10 -0500
  Subject: [Phono-L] WD 40
 
 
  Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) It is not fish oil, I got that e-mail 
  and believed it for a while.  Below is the list from their MSDS sheet.
 
  http://www.wd40.com/files/pdf/msds-wd494716385.pdf
 
 
  Aliphatic Hydrocarbon 45 to 50%
 
  Petroleum Base Oil  less than 25%
 
  LVP Aliphatic Hydrocarbon  12 to 18%
 
  Carbon Dioxide 2 to 3%
 
  Surfactant less than 2%
 
  Non-Hazardous Ingredients less than 10%
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Looking for a 78 record.

2010-02-04 Thread John Maeder

Just FYI, the late-1920's Victor artist's (aka 'The Singing Brakeman') name is 
spelled 'Jimmie Rodgers', not Jimmy Rogers.

 From: tuban...@aol.com
 Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 23:52:19 -0500
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking for a 78 record.

 Hi Dennis and Thanks.  I sure got a lot of Train songs plus some BS  for 
 two bucks.  I recorded the whole show waiting for the Next to last  
 tune-Riding on the Elevated Railroad.
 It was appreciated very much however the lyrics were quite a bit different  
 than the one I found posted and remembered.
 This was a 1928 version and If it didn't have the name with it I would have 
  labled it sung by Jimmy Rogers yodel and all.
 I will keep looking for the later version but just wanted you to know  I 
 enjoyed hearing this old version which had the proper melody as  well.

 Thank you very much for the help. 
 Don

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Re: [Phono-L] definition of antique

2010-01-08 Thread John Maeder


ger, 

In my previous post on this subject I said that I had long-ago heard that the 
100-year old rule of defining an 'antique' came from Federal tax code, and I 
think it probably comes from the importation rule to which you refer.  As I 
also said in that post, dealers used to assiduously avoid calling an item an 
'antique' unless it was demonstrably 100 years old.  I don't know how many 
people on the board were into antiques 43 years ago, but I can assure you that 
back then, that was the way it was done.  And ger, you are correct, phonographs 
were largely considered junk by the vast majority of dealers because they 
simply weren't old enough to be considered antique, and besides that, they were 
plentiful back then.  I never used to look for phonos in the front rooms of 
antique shops -- I'd head straight to the back 'junk' rooms and there they'd be!

re: pet peeves -- It bugs me when an eBay or Craigslist listing refers to a 
phonograph (or anything) as a unit.  This unit works great.  Also, ones . 
. . This is one of the nicest ones I have ever seen (It doesn't look like 
the numeral one, it looks like a Victor VI to me, I'm thinking! Redundant, as 
well).  And guts, as in . . . cabinet only, the guts have been removed.  
Are those really the best words they can come up with?  Specific is terrific, 
my third-grade teacher, Mes. Norlund, used to say when teaching us how to write.

It took me a moment to figure out what EAPG meant right out of the barrel 
like that, but, the context and recalling what you had previously posted 
allowed me to figure it out pretty quickly.  Mrs. Norlund also used to tell us, 
Write like the reader doesn't know anything about what you are writing about. 
 BTW, it is spelled 'Sumerian', not Sumarian.  LOL!  Sorry, just had to kid 
you a little there!

 From: ge...@comcast.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 02:05:14 -0500
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] definition of antique
 
 For purposes of importation, the govt defined an antique as anything older 
 than 100 years (an antiquity is much older, as in hundreds or thousands of 
 years...Sumarian, ex.). This 100 years has been accepted for many moons as 
 the definition of antique (everywhere except ebay, of course). I checked this 
 definition on an official gov site at least 15 years ago. Obviously this 
 involves a moving date of production. And I think that the 100-year mark is 
 significant, because...
 
 Interest appears to take off when an invention/item is near its 100th 
 anniversary.
 
 I noticed that EAPG (my main collectible) began to get popular 1930-ish, 
 because EAPG was near the 100 year mark (first glass pressed in 1825), and 
 people became more aware.
 
 Didn't the phonograph also take off on some type of anniversary of its 
 creation?? How many of the collectors here became more earnest in the 1980's 
 or 1990's when the phono was commercially about 100 years old? 
 
 Since ebay's appearance, someone added the definition of semi-antique as 
 anything being 50 years old...not exactly sure where that one came 
 from...possibly the govt as well. H I think we might have a few 
 semi-antique collectors here. ;)
 
 Also, one of my pet peeves: using the word vintage to mean something really 
 old. Vintage has to have a year or some reference to a time period added to 
 it, as in vintage 1893, or Depression vintage, or even vintage 1993.
 Just my 2 cents worth. ;)
 
 Ger
 PS: In my experience, particularly online watching chat groups, our younguns 
 ain't so hot on grammar OR spelling. It used to drive me nuts. But now your 
 being used for you're is becoming common, even in ads on tv! Who's to 
 blame...or should I use a youngun's whose since they don't seem to know the 
 difference between those 2 words either. LOL
 
 - Original Message - 
   From: phonofo...@aol.com 
   To: phono-l@oldcrank.org 
   Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 7:17 PM
   Subject: Re: [Phono-L] definition of antique - was Re: Shipping 
 phonographs
 
 
   Anyhting made after 1840 is not an antique, but is considered a 
 collectible. Anything antique is usually referred to as an item hand made 
 prior to 1840. A least for furniture this date is of signifigance due to the 
 creation of the wire nail. Nails were hand wrought 1840 and prior. Also wood 
 was being cut after 1840 with a circular saw and no longer by hand. So cars 
 and phonographs are more or less collectibles rather than antiques. 
 
 
 
   -Original Message-
   From: Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.com
   To: Phono L phono-l@oldcrank.org
   Sent: Sun, Jan 3, 2010 3:59 pm
   Subject: Re: [Phono-L] definition of antique - was Re: Shipping 
 phonographs
 
 
 
   ntique is a moving target, and I think it always has been.  Regarding its 
 legal 
   efinition for purposes of insurance claims against shipping damage, Rich is 
   ight, it does need to be clearly stated, though I think 100 years is too 
 many, 
   ersonally.  I've also found more than

Re: [Phono-L] Victrola xvii

2010-01-08 Thread John Maeder

www.victor-victrola.com

 From: cen...@comcast.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:24:22 -0800
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victrola xvii

 Jay, what is the name of the websight?
 - Original Message - 
 From: Jay Horenstein jay.horenst...@gmail.com
 To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:00 AM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victrola xvii

 I find the Victor Victrola page (on line) to be a most valuable resource 
 for
  pricing, dating, or just about anything
  involving a Victor product.
  Jay

  -Original Message-
  From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] 
  On
  Behalf Of Jim K
  Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 7:57 PM
  To: Antique Phonograph List
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victrola xvii

  Im curious as to value range as well. Anyone have a ballpark figure?

  Jim
  www.phono-phixer.com
  www.wimaps.org

  - Original Message - 
  From: Peter Fraser pjfra...@mac.com
  To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 12:07 PM
  Subject: [Phono-L] Victrola xvii

  I've come across one locally and am not interested myself, but if you
  are, please drop me a line. I'm near SF.

  What's the value range for these nowadays?

  Sent from my iPhone

  -- Peter
  pjfra...@mac.com

  On Jan 4, 2010, at 7:11 AM, Robin  Joan Rolfs nip...@dataex.com 
  wrote:

  BlankGreetings and Happy New Year 2010,

  Bill Hodges had an inquiry regarding a Nipper item he is listing on
  e-bay.  With the help of my Nipper friend, we solved the mystery of 
  what

  the Nipper item is.   The item is listed on e-bay (item 300383123497 )

  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=300383123497ssPageName=S
  TRK:MEWAX:IT

  It is a dog and gramophone figure and my Nipper friend, Barbara  Regan
  solved the mystery of what it is.

  The item is the top of the radio on page 3-90 of our Nipper 
  Collectibles

  book.

  The only reason she knew that it was the top piece of the radio is
  because she has the whole radio.  Actually, it's in 3 pieces.   The  top
  piece is the dog and gramophone on the red vinyl, the second  piece is 
  an

  insert which is a little red fabric-covered dish that  you could put
  coins or other small items in and the bottom is where  the actual parts
  of the transistor radio are.  She didn't think  anyone would realize it
  unless they actually owned the piece.  She  just thought the dog and
  gramophone on red looked familiar and  finally found the radio.  Bill
  wrote us in regard to the item and we  did not recognize the item, but
  thanks to Barbara the Nipper mystery  is solved.

  I am sure Bill will be changing the description of the item on e-bay  to
  inform buyers of what the item actually is.

  Happy New Year, Happy Nipper Collecting, and looking forward to  Orlando
  and a great time with phono friends.

  Robin  Joan Rolfs
  Visit us at:
  www.audioantique.com

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Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs

2010-01-02 Thread John Maeder

The idea that an antique has to be 100 years old comes from somewhere in the 
Federal tax codes. When I first got into the world of antiques 43 years ago, 
dealers were very careful not to call anything that wasn't demonstrably 100 
years-old or darn close to it an antique. Whether the tax laws have changed 
or the field has become so watered-down by antiques malls and eBay that it no 
longer matters, I don't know, but the 100-year measure was very strict back in 
the 'old days'. One of the reasons phonos and most music boxes, etc. were so 
cheap back then is because they didn't meet the grade to be considered an 
antique so not many people wanted them.

 From: steve_nor...@msn.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 19:18:21 -0500
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs
 
 
 An item which is at least 50 to 100 years old and is collected or
 desirable due to rarity, condition, utility, or some other unique
 feature.
 
 Motor vehicles, power tools and other items subject to vigorous use in
 contrast, may be considered antiques in the U.S. if older than 25
 years, and some electronic gadgets of more recent vintage may be
 considered antiques.
 
  From: esrobe...@hotmail.com
  To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:42:33 +
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs
  
  
  I don't know about tariffs, but I've always understood the definition of 
  antique to mean 25 years or older, not 100.  A 1920 phonograph is an 
  antique by any definition.
  
  
   Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 15:26:39 -0600
   From: rich-m...@octoxol.com
   To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
   Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs
   
   That will work for the items that you are willing to spend the time and 
   $$ shipping.  I still would want to very carefully read the tariff to 
   see just exactly what is and is not covered by the damage coverage.
   
   Antique has a definition and it usually means 100 years old or older.
   
   The tariff also usually states that it supersedes any promises, claims, 
   or off-the-cuff  comments made by  any employ or agent that does not 
   match the tariff.
   
   If they back the truck over it or stab it with a fork truck you will 
   almost always get paid no matter what it is or how old it is.  Other 
   than acts of obvious negligence UPS and the Post Office are a major pain 
   to deal with unless it was registered mail.
   
  

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Re: [Phono-L] polishing Bakelite

2009-12-30 Thread John Maeder

Google to the rescue! Polishing Bakelite yielded this at the top of the page 
(and there are others):

http://www.radiolaguy.com/clean-shine.htm

 Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 02:35:51 +
 From: zucc...@comcast.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: [Phono-L] polishing Bakelite

 Dear Phonolisters : 

 Maybe this isn't the place to ask but on the other hand. 

 Does anyone know a good way to revive and polish Bakelite? 

 Thanks, 

 Bill Z 
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Re: [Phono-L] Diamond Discs 15

2009-12-25 Thread John Maeder

Ger,
I mentioned in my previous post that The surface of the records is a phenolic 
resin derived from coal tar similar to Bakelite that Edison called Condensite. 
Phenolic resin is some of the toughest and most chemically-neutral stuff on the 
planet. I don't think Edison's concern was that a drop of water should ever 
touch the surface of a record because water is simply not going to react with a 
phenolic 
resin in any way. I think the concern really was that water would come in 
contact with the edges of the record since the core is highly absorbtive wood 
flour and clay.. I'm not advocating the use of water, merely trying to explain 
the reasoning for the use of alcohol and why alcohol won't hurt the chemically 
tough surface of the records.

The 'bearing' you oiled on the reproducer is properly called a 'hinge block'. 
Cylinder reproducers have them, too, in various forms.

Where do you live, Ger? Perhaps there is another collector nearby who could 
come over and walk you througgh this a bit.

 From: ge...@comcast.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 03:36:07 -0500
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Diamond Discs 15
 
 I have a can of denatured alcohol. It says that it can be used as shellac 
 thinner. Won't that harm the top layer of the records??
 
 I put some light machine oil at the back of the reproducer...didn't realize 
 that it had a bearing. Thanks.
 
 Ger
 
 
   - Original Message - 
   From: Bruce Mercer 
   To: Antique Phonograph List 
   Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 10:08 PM
   Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Diamond Discs 15
 
 
   NEVER use water on DD. Use denatured alcohol. Even rubbing alcohol has 
 water 
   in it.Also, make sure the reproducer is properly oiled at the rear bearing.
   Bruce 
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Edison London Console

2009-12-25 Thread John Maeder


Ger,
The proper terms for these parts are the 'limit pin' and 'limit loop', so 
called because together they limit the travel of the weight assembly.  The 
diamond is a 'stylus' (that term implying a jeweled, permanent point) and it is 
mounted into the 'stylus bar' and is mounted on a pin between two 'bosses'.  
The stylus bar is connected to the diaphragm via the 'linkage' consisting of a 
braided silk cord with metal eyelets on either end.  The weight (as stated in a 
previous post, swivels at one end via the 'hinge block'.  All this is mounted 
to the 'body' of the reproducer which consists of a 'sound chamber', a 'tail' 
where the hinge block attaches, and a 'neck' or 'throat' that connects to the 
mount at the horn.  There's your basic nomenclature.

 From: ge...@comcast.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 20:16:09 -0500
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison London Console
 
 HOWEVER, what I did notice (forgive me for not knowing proper terms):  the 
 small metal prong which is most forward in position on the reproducer, and 
 sits in a V-shaped hook from the top (it goes up and down and side to side). 
 Anywho, this prong was BENT to one side. I just straightened it, or at least 
 got it to move symmetrically. I'm guessing that that bend might make the 
 thing track badly, possibly causing damage to the record grooves??

   - Original Message - 
   From: Andrew Baron 
   To: Antique Phonograph List 
   Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 7:30 PM
   Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison London Console
 
 
   First, use a flashlight to see if there's anything back there.  If  
   there is, you can inquire of this group on the procedure for removing  
   the slats.
 
   Regarding the stubborn horn movement, are you doing the right thing  
   when trying to move the horn assembly?  Are you aware of how to work  
   the wood lever that's in the front right corner under the lid, and  
   that you must first pivot it over to the right until it's horizontal,  
   before rotating it counter-clockwise, along with a guiding hand on the  
   upper part, to swivel the whole works, while the lever is still rocked  
   all the way over level?
 
   It's possible that there's a mechanical issue but you first want to be  
   familiar with how to operate that lever to control the entire movement  
   of the horn and neck.
 
   It's also good to be aware that the damaged, etched grooves on the  
   records can be caused -  not only by playing on a different kind of  
   phonograph that has a steel needle (or with a steel-needle adaptor on  
   an Edison), but also if played on a proper Edison disc machine, IF the  
   diamond on the Edison reproducer is chipped or damaged.  So it's  
   possible you may be in the market for a new stylus or a reproducer  
   that has a viable one.  You can sometimes get them pretty cheap on  
   eBay and get lucky on the condition of the diamond.
 
   Regarding the yucky cabinet and mechanism, maybe they'll clean up as  
   nicely as the records.  A little TLC can go a long way.  Old English  
   Lemon Oil from the grocery store on the cabinet, or something like it,  
   can work wonders.  Don't be so quick to dismiss the experience of  
   seeing what this noble relic can do until you've gotten a little  
   better acquainted with it.
 
   Andy
 
 
   On Dec 24, 2009, at 3:43 PM, ger wrote:
 
LOL. I like the idea of possible hidden treasure. Can't wait for  
Saturday.
Now, to get behind the records area...how does one do that? The top  
on that side does not come up. Only the grill area opens from the  
front. I stuck my fingers into the slots and they seemed empty.  
Fortunately nothing was living in there either. :)
   
But, ya know, come to think of it, the weight seemed to be more on  
the empty record side. hm Could be somebody added metal as  
support I suppose. I really didn't get under and inspect every nook  
and cranny. It was so yucky. And...don't forget, I am just an old  
broad! ;)
   
Yes. The thing cranks, turns on and off. But to get the horn to move  
(from side to side), it needs some help. It moved a few times, then  
got stubborn.
   
This is getting more interesting. This group is great.
   
Ger
   
   
 - Original Message -
 From: bruce78...@comcast.net
 To: Antique Phonograph List
 Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 5:09 PM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison London Console
   
   
 Wonder why it is so heavy, any possibility that more records got  
pushed into the back of the record holding area, making the it more  
heavy then it should be. That happened with a Sonora I purchased  
about year and a half ago. The area to the rear of the record  
compartment was litterally filled with a stash of old records (a few  
real gems in there)as well as some original Sonora literature,  
including a beautifully illustrated Sonora Catalogue

Re: [Phono-L] Diamond Discs 15

2009-12-24 Thread John Maeder


'Re-Creation' is a term that Edison's marketing people made up to set their 
product as being different from ordinary 'records' in the public mind.  This 
was at a time that Edison was staging 'Tone Tests' around the country at larger 
Edison dealerships.  An Edison artist would perform at the store alongside a 
Diamond Disc Phonograph -- at times concealed by screens from the audience -- 
and the viewers would have to guess which was live and which was a 
'Re-Creation'.  The term 'Re-Creation' was used from June '21 through the end 
of '22.  Then they became 'Edison Record'.  There is a black paper 
'Re-Creation' label that was used from June '21 until October '21, when the 
white labels appeared.

The smaller numbers you inquired about are matrix numbers.

I have heard people say that the checkerboard pattern around the edge is a 
stoboscope for setting the speed of the record under 60-cycle illumination, but 
this is not true . . . it is merely a design.

Diamond Disc surfaces are a phenolic resin derived from coal tar that is 
chemically similar to Bakelite, but which Edison called Condensite.  It cannot 
grow 'mold' like a wax cylinder, so I'm not sure what the light brown handprint 
may be that you describe.  Perhaps something heinous came in contact with it?  
At any rate, Edison recommended cleaning with alcohol. Isopropyl I suppose . . 
. what strength is best?

The best term for the reproducer is simply 'reproducer' . . . 'reproducer head' 
is redundant, and would imply that there is a also a 'recording head', which 
there is not.

 From: ge...@comcast.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 23:40:27 -0500
 Subject: [Phono-L] Diamond Discs 15
 
 The Edison Diamond disc records are all 10 with a white paper label. All are 
 in the 50,000 or 51,000 range, except: 8915, 7826, 5110 and 80398. I don't 
 have time right now to list them all with titles and artists; 2 have a red 
 star. 2 have Re-Creation on the label. What exactly does that mean!?
 
 Two are in very nice condition. Some have a scratch or two in the grooves 
 (like somebody tried the wrong needle); a few have light scratches across; 
 one is badly scratched; 2 or 3 look like they have a brown hand print which 
 reminds me of the mold I've seen on the cylinders. Is that fixable on these, 
 say with alcohol??
 
 None are splitting. Only 2 or 3 have shallow chips on the edge...none 
 extending into the grooves. None are warped.
 
 **What are the numbers on the lower part (edge) of the label (like 8696 and 
 8695) for?
 **Also, there are scribed numbers in the plastic. Are they like the 
 cylinders, showing which take, or something else??
 
 I took a flying leap ;) and bought the 15 records and the reproducer head 
 too. I left the messed up rest...the owner seemed happy. I made an offer for 
 these (well below asking) and she took it. :) I'm guessing that she'll 
 probably junk the rest...maybe not. If it was not so heavy, I would have 
 taken the whole machine to muck around with. But I just could not handle it.
 
 Happy, peaceful and safe Holidays to all! 
 I will be back on Friday or Saturday and hopefully can work up a list then. 
 
 Thanks again,
 Ger
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Re: [Phono-L] The Graphophone in Therapeutics

2009-12-23 Thread John Maeder

Was this the first 'Crapophone', then?

 Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 20:29:30 -0800
 From: lo...@oldcrank.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: [Phono-L] The Graphophone in Therapeutics

 I love Google Books. Just when you think you've read it all, out pops
 a little gem. Here's a letter to the editor from the Boston medical
 and surgical journal, Volume 150.

 Enjoy ;)
 Loran

 THE GRAPHOPHONE IN THERAPEUTICS.
 March, 1904.
 Мн. Editor: In Japan during the summer of 1899, a friend of mine and I
 hired a small island situate in the bay of Sagami, about a dozen miles
 south of Kamakura and a hundred and fifty yards from the mainland,
 upon which was a small fishing village called Sajima. The island was
 of about two and a half acres in extent, sacred to Teujin, the god of
 caligraphy, and therefore known as Teujinshima. Upon it was a single
 house large enough for us and our entourage, together with a shrine
 devoted to the memory and worship of Teujin. The whole outfit was the
 property of the Imperial household and came into our temporary
 possession in a very complicated, roundabout and Japanese fashion, the
 details of which are too numerous to mention. A common friend of ours
 came to visit us on the island. He had just returned from Formosa and
 was broken down from a combination of dysentery, malarial fever and
 rheumatism which had confined him to hospital for six months. He had
 been very ill and came to us in hopes that the quiet and isolation of
 our insular paradise might benefit him. He did not improve, but
 gradually grew feebler and finally was obliged to take to his bed, as
 we say, which in Japan means that he did not rise from the floor. With
 this increasing weakness there developed a constipation upon which
 neither Cockles pills nor Hunyadi Janos water had any effect. After a
 week's delay in having a movement of the bowels, my friend and I held
 what is known in the practice of medicine as a consultation. We
 decided that the case demanded the administration of an enema. We
 commanded and carefully supervised the concoction of an injection
 composed of hot water, glycerine and soapsuds, a pailful. After the
 injection fluid had been compounded and pronounced good, we made the
 discovery that although we had plenty of ammunition we had no gun.
 There was no syringe on the island, not even a Royal P., and none
 nearer than Tokyo, a distance of some sixty miles. We had a small
 bamboo which we fashioned into an excellent anal pipe but nothing
 more. It was suggested that we each blow successive mouthfuls of the
 injection into the rectum. This idea was rejected as being more likely
 to produce nausea in us than defecation on the part of the patient.
 There was a graphophone in the house with which we used to amuse the
 Japanese kids who swam over every day from the mainlaind to visit us.
 We were both struct with the fact that the india-rubber tubes of this
 machine which serve to conduct its vociferations to the ear would also
 convey fluid. With the help of bamboo, twine and surgical adhesive
 plaster we spliced the tubes together and attaching the aforesaid
 bamboo nozzle to one end and the tin trumpet of the graphophone to the
 other we had an injection apparatus of novel construction but of rare
 efficacy as its use proved. As the crow flies the distance between the
 trumpet and the nozzle was a matter of about four feet. The intricate
 tortuosity of the tubes, however, rendered the distance traversed by
 the injection one of some yards. The practical results of the use of
 this acoustic enema were two-fold. Upon the patient the effect was all
 that could be desired. Upon the graphophone, however, the effect was
 prejudicial in the extreme. The sounds which issued from it after its
 prostitution were so fecal and unfit for ears polite that we were
 obliged to destroy the instrument. I venture to say that this is the
 first and probably the only instance of the application of the
 graphophone as an aid to therapeutics.
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Re: [Phono-L] Paint for a Maroon Gem

2009-12-08 Thread John Maeder

Wyatt Marcus used 1984 VW Rabbit LS Mahogany Red auto paint to restore the 
bedplate of Amberola I-A serial #2.  That should be the same as a Maroon Gem, 
shouldn't it?  c.f.: http://www.edisondiamonddisc.com

 From: br...@accoladeeng.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:10:53 -0800
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Paint for a Maroon Gem

 Bob,

Try going to an automotive paint store and having the color of your Gem
 matched. I did this for a Maroon Gem with an Acrylic Enamel and you could
 not tell the difference under any lighting.

 Bruce Peterson

 -Original Message-
 From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
 Behalf Of Bob
 Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 5:33 AM
 To: Antique Phonograph List
 Subject: [Phono-L] Paint for a Maroon Gem

 I'm restoring an Edison Maroon Gem.  The paint is really in pretty good 
 shape except for a few chips.   Initially I was going to leave them alone 
 but they are really bugging me.  I thought I could find the matching color 
 by checking nail polish colors.  I found one that looked pretty good under 
 the store lighting but in natural daylight it doesn't match. I'm going to 
 tinker with it to see if I can improve the match by painting lighter colors 
 and shades under it.  I do this on a piece of sheet metal.  I lay down 
 stripes of different colors and then run a stripe of the color I'm trying to

 adjust across the stripes.  I've been able to match the browns used on 
 Edison Amberola V and VI's pretty closely with this technique.  These were 
 fairly easy because I had a brown that was close and only had to darken it 
 by adding black.  With the Maroon nail polish I have the color is too dark 
 and probably should be a little redder so I'm not too confident I can get a 
 good match.  Do any of you know a source for a paint that matches the Maroon

 on Edison Gems?  If I can't get a good match I will leave the chips alone. 
 Thanks.
 Bob V 

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Re: [Phono-L] Paint for a Maroon Gem

2009-12-08 Thread John Maeder

One should also keep in mind that these machines are not 'painted', but rather 
the coating is tinted shellac.

 From: rvu...@comcast.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:33:00 -0500
 Subject: [Phono-L] Paint for a Maroon Gem

 I'm restoring an Edison Maroon Gem.  The paint is really in pretty good 
 shape except for a few chips.   Initially I was going to leave them alone 
 but they are really bugging me.  I thought I could find the matching color 
 by checking nail polish colors.  I found one that looked pretty good under 
 the store lighting but in natural daylight it doesn't match. I'm going to 
 tinker with it to see if I can improve the match by painting lighter colors 
 and shades under it.  I do this on a piece of sheet metal.  I lay down 
 stripes of different colors and then run a stripe of the color I'm trying to 
 adjust across the stripes.  I've been able to match the browns used on 
 Edison Amberola V and VI's pretty closely with this technique.  These were 
 fairly easy because I had a brown that was close and only had to darken it 
 by adding black.  With the Maroon nail polish I have the color is too dark 
 and probably should be a little redder so I'm not too confident I can get a 
 good match.  Do any of you know a source for a paint that matches the Maroon 
 on Edison Gems?  If I can't get a good match I will leave the chips alone. 
 Thanks.
 Bob V 

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Re: [Phono-L] Museum of Recorded sound ( was Johnson Victrola Museum Dover, DE)

2009-11-30 Thread John Maeder

Yeah, I know about that. There was supposed to be one near the Hollywood Bowl 
back in the 1960's too.   I'm looking to the future though, not the past.

 From: srsel...@aol.com
 Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 12:49:17 -0500
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Museum of Recorded sound ( was Johnson Victrola
 Museum Dover, DE)

 In a message dated 11/9/2009 3:51:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
 edisonst...@comcast.net writes:

 I wish  there could be a 'National Museum of Recorded Sound' endowed in 
 perpetuity and  set up as a 501(c)3 to collect, display, and interpret the 
 development of the  sound recording industry -- accurately and impressively  
 -- 
 once and for  all.  It would be a research center as well.  In another 100 
 years,  I think future generations would thank us. 

 Catching up on OLD Mauil. There was to be a National Museum of Recorded  
 Sound funded by SONY (Before merger and the crash  in CD sales. It was to  be 
 in Bldg 17 of the Victor Bldg in Camden. But then Carl Dranoff turned it 
 into  Apartments.

 BTW, I had a great day last Wednesday at the Edison National Historic Park  
 (it's new name). Spent about 6 hours there. (You only really need 2 hours 
 or  so). Put together a video/slide show which I hope to share.

 I love what they did with the site.

 Steve Ramm
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[Phono-L] More stuff for sale

2009-11-19 Thread John Maeder


http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=9t=3243   
  
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Re: [Phono-L] More stuff for sale

2009-11-19 Thread John Maeder

It was an extra-cost option.  The sheer size would look awkward on -- and 
topple -- just about anything but a Vic V or VI.  That size horn was also found 
on Auxetophones.

 From: lhera...@bu.edu
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 09:46:56 -0500
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] More stuff for sale

 What would that 4 foot long horn have gone on originally, John?   The
 Modernola is a neat looking machine.

 Ron L

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 From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
 Behalf Of John Maeder
 Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 9:31 AM
 To: Antique Phonograph List
 Subject: [Phono-L] More stuff for sale

 http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=9t=3243

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[Phono-L] Attn, Jeff in NYC!

2009-11-19 Thread John Maeder


I don't have your email or phone number!  Please contact me!
  
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Re: [Phono-L] Attn, Jeff in NYC!

2009-11-19 Thread John Maeder

Thanks!

 Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:15:51 -0800
 From: smst...@gmail.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Attn, Jeff in NYC!

 Sorry John, my mistake. No more multitasking for me. Nice pictures btw.

 On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 2:49 PM, John Maeder appywan...@hotmail.com wrote:

  Not sure why you're replying to this, Mike . . . do you know who I am
  trying to contact?

   Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:11:14 -0800
   From: smst...@gmail.com
   To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
   Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Attn, Jeff in NYC!

   Okay.

   On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 2:04 PM, John Maeder appywan...@hotmail.com
  wrote:

I don't have your email or phone number!  Please contact me!

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[Phono-L] For sale items

2009-11-18 Thread John Maeder


I have listed several cylinder Edisons for sale at this link:

http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewforum.php?f=9

Worth a look!

Thanks!

John
  
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[Phono-L] Price of mahogany 'Opera' and matching cylinder cabinet reduced

2009-11-16 Thread John Maeder


Edison 'Opera' in mahogany with Model 'L' reproducer on matching base
cabinet that holds 240 cylinders in clips.  Low serial number in
400's.  Phonograph and cabinet were purchased together when new at
Southern California Music on Broadway in Los Angeles.  Also included is
the business card of the salesman who sold this set to a Los Angeles
attorney in 1911.  This was in an old southern California collection
for years. 'Opera' in excellent original condition with only extremely
minor wear.  Original finish on case, lid, and horn.  Horn elbow
re-grained in the 1980's.  Record cabinet has nice, old refinish and is
the only example of this style I have seen.  Carved ball  claw
feet.  Reproducer rebuilt by Steven Medved.  Cabinet and Phonograph
sold together as a set only.  They don't come any nicer than this!  PRICE 
REDUCED TO $7200  502-410-9269  Can ship, hold for pick-up, or carefully deliver
to Union in June free of charge.

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[Phono-L] Magnificent mahogany 'Opera' and record cabinet for sale

2009-11-13 Thread John Maeder


Edison 'Opera' in mahogany with Model 'L' reproducer on matching base cabinet 
that holds 240 cylinders in clips.  Low serial number in 400's.  Phonograph and 
cabinet were purchased together when new at Southern California Music on 
Broadway in Los Angeles.  Also included is the business card of the salesman 
who sold this set to a Los Angeles attorney in 1911.  This was in an old 
southern California collection for years. 'Opera' in excellent original 
condition with only extremely minor wear.  Original finish on case, lid, and 
horn.  Horn elbow re-grained in the 1980's.  Record cabinet has nice, old 
refinish and is the only example of this style I have seen.  Carved ball  claw 
feet.  Reproducer rebuilt by Steven Medved.  Cabinet and Phonograph sold 
together as a set only.  They don't come any nicer than this!  $8000  
502-410-9269  Can ship, hold for pick-up, or carefully deliver to Union in June 
free of charge.

[URL=http://img196.imageshack.us/i/mahoganyopera021.jpg/][IMG]http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/10/mahoganyopera021.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

[URL=http://img196.imageshack.us/i/img1379operam0172dpi.jpg/][IMG]http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/8067/img1379operam0172dpi.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

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Re: [Phono-L] Johnson Victrola Museum Dover, DE

2009-11-09 Thread John Maeder


I suppose they are closed so much because of budget cuts?  I have only been 
there once in 2001.  They share park rangers with the other two museums 
adjacent (a native American museum and a local historical museum).  The ranger 
that gave the tour when I was there was more attuned to the native American 
museum and gave an incredibly garbled tour of the Johnson museum (If they have 
horns they are called Gramophones, if they don't they are called Victrolas, 
etc.)  I about bit my tongue in two before the tour was finished. I went away 
without a great deal of deeper insight into ERJ himself.  The phonographs are 
wonderful, of course, but I really wanted to know more about ERJ as a person, 
and my visit did little for that.  I think Son Fen had something a bit 
different in mind as a memorial to his dad.  Even at that, I'm sorry to hear it 
is only open one day a week.

I wish there could be a 'National Museum of Recorded Sound' endowed in 
perpetuity and set up as a 501(c)3 to collect, display, and interpret the 
development of the sound recording industry -- accurately and impressively  -- 
once and for all.  It would be a research center as well.  In another 100 
years, I think future generations would thank us.

 Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 13:30:28 +
 From: edisonst...@comcast.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: [Phono-L] Johnson Victrola Museum Dover, DE
 
 
 
 Update on The Johnson Victrola Museum, Dover Delaware. 
 
 
 
 For anyone interested, The Johnson Victrola Museum is open only on the First 
 Saturday of the Month hours are 9:00 to 4:30 it's also open by appointment by 
 calling 302-739-4236 to schedule a visit it's great place to put on your list 
 with plenty to see  hear as some machines on display can be demonstrated. 
 
 
 
 Regards, Jim G. 
 
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Questions about a General Phonograph Model E

2009-10-25 Thread John Maeder

Ween't these also sold under the name 'Vanophone'?

Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 03:19:22 +
From: bruce78...@comcast.net
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Questions about a General Phonograph Model E

Read the blurb here under Otto Heinemann. He owned the company.

http://books.google.com/books?id=xV6tghvO0oMCpg=PA486lpg=PA486dq=General+Phonograph+Co.+Elyria,+Ohiosource=blots=s8a-A1qjRTsig=z4LpF6du4GfUmbA-Yz6HgIltAUwhl=enei=hcHjSvCsEobk8Aa30JyIBwsa=Xoi=book_resultct=resultresnum=8ved=0CB8Q6AEwBw#v=onepageq=General%20Phonograph%20Co.%20Elyria%2C%20Ohiof=false

Bruce
- Original Message -
From: Chris Kocsis chris...@cox.net
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 10:37:39 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [Phono-L] Questions about a General Phonograph Model E

I got this cute little machine at an auction and have some basic
questions I hope you can help me with. I've posted photos to
Photobucket: http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv10/chrisk33/

1) Does this look like the original tone arm?

2) How about the sound box -- see closeup -- It seems to say RCA and V
in a deco style. Do those letters together mean that it was made no
earlier than 1929 (the RCA and Victor merger)? Could it possibly be the
one that was supplied on this machine?

3) The sound box is not fastened to the tone arm very rigidly. There is
a cylindrical red rubber seal (hard and cracking now, don't know if it
was ever flexible) in between and the sound box can be twisted a little,
both sideways (on the axis of the tonearm) and vertically, changing the
angle that the needle makes with the line of the groove. Should the
needle be slanted at all sideways with respect to the record surface, or
would anything other than 90 degrees be tracking error? How about the
rake of the needle longitudinally in the groove? All the phonographs
I've seen with one-use needles seem to have the needle at an angle, such
as 35 minutes past the hour if the sound box were a clock. What is this
ideal angle?

4) Lastly, much of the (nickel or chrome?) finish is corroded and pitted
-- on the turntable edge, on/off switch, the needle cups -- can you
recommend someone to restore these, or from your experience should I
attempt to polish and plate them myself as suggested in The Compleat
Talking Machine?

Thank you!

Chris

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Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to Kotton Klenser

2009-10-23 Thread John Maeder

Indiana -- where I now live -- had the highest Klan membership of any state 
during the 1920's Klan hey-dey.
I was just in a shop in rural Indiana and spotted a 'KKK' 78rpm record. 

 From: esrobe...@hotmail.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:19:34 +
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to Kotton Klenser

 Good point, Rich.  Actually, Les Docks (the Record Pricing Guide guy) told me 
 that in his native Michigan, it was what he considered a hotbed of Klan 
 activity.  I found that astounding.  I suppose, just like smart, kind, and 
 gracious people, stupid people are everywhere too!

 Bless their hearts.  (Now THAT'S Southern.)  :)

 r.

  Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 07:53:56 -0500
  From: rich-m...@octoxol.com
  To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to Kotton Klenser

  Don't limit yourself to just the south for having these views/thoughts.
...referring to individuals who live in the 60's in terms of racial 
  prejudice, of which I encounter many in my day-to-day life here in the 
  South, who come up with (and believe in) even wackier stuff than this.

  john9...@pacbell.net wrote:
   Oh, ok thanks!

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Re: [Phono-L] Edison's A-250 DD Phonograph at Glenmont

2009-10-17 Thread John Maeder

Bruce,
Tour Guides just love people like you (and me) who ask questions like that! LOL!

 Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:57:18 +
 From: bruce78...@comcast.net
 To: Phono-L@oldcrank.org
 CC: phonol...@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison's A-250 DD Phonograph at Glenmont

 I just returned from a trip that included a visit to the Edison Historic Site 
 and his Estate Glenmont in West Orange,N.J.. 
 While at Glenmont I was interested in seeing whether Edison's Model A-250, 
 shown in that famous 1914 photo of him in his Robe and Slippers with his ear 
 up to the grill listening to music, was still there on the 2nd floor. 
 There is an early A-250 in the center room on the 2nd Floor. What is unusual 
 about it, is that it has the Gold (Official Laboratory Seal in the lower left 
 hand corner), and has been retrofitted with the 10 and 12 buttons, and has 
 the 2nd reproducer to play his son Theodore's creation (Long Play Records). 
 This must of been specifically done for Edison, as I was always under the 
 understanding that the A-250 was not a candidate for the Long Play retrofit. 
 Has anyone else noticed this about the A-250 on the 2nd Floor of The Glenmont 
 Estate ? The Tour Guide could not verify whether it was same one shown in the 
 famous January, of 1914 Photo. 

 Bruce 

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Re: [Phono-L] Transport

2009-09-18 Thread John Maeder

Hello Mike! 

Check out uship.com.  

Kind regards,
John

 From: mtuc...@exemail.com.au
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 16:51:17 +1000
 Subject: [Phono-L] Transport

 I would appreciate some assistance with transporting a record cabinet if
 anyone would be kind enough to assist.  Happy to pay for the assistance.

 The cabinet is in Wichita Falls, Texas, and I need to get it to either LA
 (destination) or to the Wayne meeting for handover to a friend (and then all
 the way back to LA).

 Mike Tucker mtuc...@exemail.com.au

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Re: [Phono-L] Blue Edison Horn

2009-09-08 Thread John Maeder

Here is a link to a photo of an original blue export horn that Kurt Nauck had 
for sale at the Lutheran Church sale in Elgin last June:

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/6163/blueexporthorn.jpg

John M

 From: russrid...@shaw.ca
 Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 18:54:32 -0700
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Blue Edison Horn

 I have an all original blue Gem horn.

 The seams are painted gold as found on other Edison horns.

 the blue horn on Ebay hasn't any gold paint on the seams from what I 
 can see.

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Re: [Phono-L] question for all on an auxetophone

2009-08-19 Thread John Maeder

Paul Baker was making pumps.

 From: jay.horenst...@gmail.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 08:35:58 -0700
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] question for all on an auxetophone

 Stan Stanford of Portland, and Jerry Blais of Albany Oregon each have
 beautifully restored Auxetophones. It might be worth a call to one of
 These gentlemen.

 -Original Message-
 From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
 Behalf Of Andrew Baron
 Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 7:04 AM
 To: Antique Phonograph List
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] question for all on an auxetophone

 Reid Welch in Miami would also know all about the details of this  
 machine (if you can reach him).

 Andy

 On Aug 19, 2009, at 3:28 AM, zonophone2...@aol.com wrote:

  hi

  i am trying to help a museum restore and auxetophone here

  does anyone have one

  most of the parts are there except for a pump and the reproducer

  at one time some one was making the pump

  any help will be appreciated

  thanks

  zono
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[Phono-L] $70000 Silvertone

2009-08-03 Thread John Maeder


Check out the discussion about this on the Talking Machine Forum:

http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=2t=2706

John M
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[Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B

2008-10-28 Thread John Maeder

The horns are jute - similar to old carpet pad - stiffened with rabbit hide 
glue, gessoed (thin plaster), and then grain-painted to match the cabinet.  
They are self-supporting and only fastened to the bottom of the horn 
compartment with a metal stiffener bar.

 From: gbogantz1 at charter.net
 To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:46:53 -0400
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B

 Steve, the 1A and 1B horns are very odd.  They're made of a fibrous 
 material, molded or layed up against a form.  Different from anything else 
 that Edison ever did.  Someone on one of these phono boards had the answer 
 in a previous posting, but I can't remember the details.  Hopefully they 
 will respond with a clear description.
 Anyway, the horns are well damped due to this construction technique and 
 don't exhibit the ringing and resonances that are common with metal horns, 
 which is one of the reasons they sound so good.

 Greg Bogantz

 - Original Message - 
 From: Steven Medved 
 To: Antique Phonograph List 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B

 Thanks so much, what was the 1A horn made of?

 Steve

 From: gbogantz1 at charter.net To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 27 
 Oct 
 2008 22:40:02 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 
 1B I have all three machines, the Amberola 1A, 1B, and III. The III is 
  very close to the 1B in sound, but I think it's a little more midrangey 
 due to the metal horn. But it does sound very good, and it's my second 
 favorite 4-minute cylinder player on the basis of sound quality, the 1B 
 being the best commercially produced 4-minute cylinder machine ever 
 made in my opinion. George Paul and I are having this discussion 
 currently over on the OTV board, and we both agree also that the 1A is 
 the best sounding commercially available 2 minute machine. The horns 
 used in all these machines were the best that anybody ever made for 
 cylinder machines, the metal one in the III being a close derivative of 
 the shape of the ones in the 1A and 1B. This metal horn has a fairly 
 complex shape and was never used in any other Ediso
 n product. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: 
 Steven Medved  To: Antique Phonograph List 
  Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 10:26 PM Subject: 
 Re: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B How does it compare 
 with the 1B sound wise since the horn is different? Steve 
  Hey Jim, My Amberola III is absolutely one of my very favorite 
 machines. Sounds superblooks superb..plays wax Amberols like no 
  other vintage machine I have ever heard... It makes me 
 happy. Bestest, Michael Khanchalian (cyldoc) 
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[Phono-L] Victor VI on Ebay

2008-07-06 Thread John Maeder

Hate to drag you into the cesspool that the Old Time Victrola Music Message 
Board can become, but check out this thread from that board re: this Victor VI. 
 It has already made the rounds of Boston collectors who all passed on it even 
before it was on craigslist.
Here's the link to the OTVMMB fracas about it: 
http://sonoraman.proboards107.com/index.cgi?board=generalaction=displaythread=8666

 From: Bruce78rpm at comcast.net
 To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
 Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 20:59:01 -0400
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor VI on Ebay

 In addition to the original items of question I posted in my first thread, 
 it also appears that the crank is in the wrong position for that early style 
 case. The case is obviously with the dimensions stated, 15 1/4 by 15 1/4, 
 and the crank for this early cased type should be towards the front. 
 Instead, the crank is to the rear. It makes one wonder if someone took an 
 early case, and a bunch a of parts from other machines and attempted to make 
 a VI that looks like non-existent Type B!!! any other opinions?

 Bruce
 - Original Message - 
 From: BruceY Bruce78rpm at comcast.net
 To: Phono-l at oldcrank.org
 Cc: phonolist at yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 8:39 PM
 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor VI on Ebay

  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=220253963458

  This Victor VI is currently on ebay. This does not appear to be an 
  original machine. The horn looks good, check out the rest. The ID plate 
  says VTLA, the turntable appears to be spray painted over rust. There is 
  an automatic brake on it. No VI Was ever issued with an automatic brake. 
  If you look at the Victor data book, you look a first glance and think 
  this might be a late Victor VI type B, the only problem with that, is a 
  the Type B was never shipped !! The case on the type B was suppose to be 
  17 5/8 by 17 5/8, this machine has the earlier case of less then 16. What 
  gives with this?? I am sure there must be some other problems here but 
  that is what jumps out right now.
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[Phono-L] SPAM Re: Edison Idelia at Union

2008-07-04 Thread John Maeder

There is an Idelia at the O.C. Lightener Museum (late publisher of Hobbies 
magazine) in St. Augustine, Fla., that has a presentation plaque affixed to it: 
William Howard Taft with best wishes, Thomas A. Edison.  It is a Model D 
#74910.  Sorry for the disinformation re: the Idelia at Union . . . that is 
what I heard more than once.

 From: Zonophone2006 at aol.com
 Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 09:22:34 -0400
 To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] ***SPAM*** Re: Edison Idelia at Union

 THATS A question terry baer can field also
 he has a list of all the idelias made known to present
 they are a great machine but nothing more than a glorified triumph
 mine is in the 83000 range and is a d 2

 In a message dated 7/4/2008 5:08:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
 valecnik57-purc at yahoo.com writes:

 I just  wanted to confirm that Rene Rondeau is right.  The Idelia at Union 
 and  the one purchased from the Donleys, (currently at phonogalerie in  
 Paris) 
 are indeed two different machines.  The one at Union is a B  model with 
 endgate 
 and small carriage.  The serial numbber is  66169.  The one sold on eBAY and 
 now in Paris is a D2 with serial  number 83307D2.  It has a large carriage 
 for 
 an O  reproduceer.

 Bruce Johnson
 Pod Valem II, 870
 252 43  Pruhonice
 Czech Republic

 Tel: (CZ) + 420 602 362 473
 Tel:  (US) + 1 612 605  5242

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[Phono-L] Edison Idelia at Union

2008-07-02 Thread John Maeder

It is the same machine.  John

 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 06:25:44 -0400
 From: evong at vanausdall.com
 To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Idelia at Union

 I read an email stating the Donley's Idelia sold for 31.5K and the
 Oliphants were asking $32K at Union for there machine.

 -Original Message-
 From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org]
 On Behalf Of wilenzick at bellsouth.net
 Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 8:55 PM
 To: Phono-L at oldcrank.org
 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Idelia at Union

 Can someone provide details on the Edison Idelia that I understand was
 for sale at Union?  Thanks.

 Ray
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[Phono-L] Edison Idelia at Union

2008-07-02 Thread John Maeder

Hi Erich, My understanding from what I heard at Union is that it is indeed the 
same machine that the Donley's sold.  John

 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 07:17:15 -0400
 From: evong at vanausdall.com
 To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Idelia at Union

 No, the Donley's sold a while ago and I don't know if the Oliphants sold
 their machine.

 Eric

 -Original Message-
 From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org]
 On Behalf Of John Maeder
 Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 7:11 AM
 To: Antique Phonograph List
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Idelia at Union

 It is the same machine.  John

  Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 06:25:44 -0400
  From: evong at vanausdall.com
  To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Idelia at Union

  I read an email stating the Donley's Idelia sold for 31.5K and the
  Oliphants were asking $32K at Union for there machine.

  -Original Message-
  From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org
 [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org]
  On Behalf Of wilenzick at bellsouth.net
  Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 8:55 PM
  To: Phono-L at oldcrank.org
  Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Idelia at Union

  Can someone provide details on the Edison Idelia that I understand was
  for sale at Union?  Thanks.

  Ray
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[Phono-L] Edison Idelia at Union

2008-07-02 Thread John Maeder

Thanks for clearing that up Rene.  I heard that three times at Union and 
figured that had to be the case.  John

 From: TAEdisonJR at aol.com
 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 18:22:19 -0400
 To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Idelia at Union

 It's NOT the same machine. The one sold by the Donley's is still in  Paris. I 
 saw it there last month. It is D2 with an O reproducer in  top-mount 
 carraige. The one at Union was a Model B with a conventional carriage  with C 
 reproducer. They are two different machines. 

 Best regards,
 Rene Rondeau

 In a message dated 7/2/2008 2:19:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
 cenfin at comcast.net writes:

 Why  would anyone buy a machine for 31,100 and turn around and offer it for  
 $32.000.  The financial risk is huge for such a small return.   An Idelia is 
 a highly speculative investment at that level, with only  appeal to a small 
 elite segment of the hobby.  I wouldnt invest $32k  in anything that would 
 would only yield a $900. return.  Am I missing  something? or is the desire 
 to possess even for a short while determine  behavior? Al Menashe
 - Original Message - 
 From:  wilenzick at bellsouth.net
 To: Antique Phonograph List  phono-l at oldcrank.org
 Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 1:51  PM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Idelia at Union

  For what  it's worth, the eBay listing showed that the Donley's sold their
   Idelia for $31,100 (not $31,500) to Phonogalerie in Paris.  It was a  model
  D2 with O reproducer and outstanding 12 panel MG horn with wood  grain
  finish.  Interesting that the Oliphants were selling the  same machine at
  Union for 32K.  The D2 was available in the UK  with the MG horn, while in
  the US it was sold with the mahogany  cygnet.  Here is an interesting
  question:  How much less, or  more, would the Union machine be selling for 
  if
  it had the  cygnet rather than the MG, or would the values be about the 
   same
  in either configuration?

  Ray

   - Original Message - 
  From: John Maeder  appywander at hotmail.com
  To: Antique Phonograph List  phono-l at oldcrank.org
  Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 7:48  AM
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Idelia at  Union

  Hi Erich, My understanding from  what I heard at Union is that it is 
  indeed
  the same  machine that the Donley's sold.  John

  Date:  Wed, 2 Jul 2008 07:17:15 -0400
  From:  evong at vanausdall.com
  To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
   Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Idelia at Union

   No, the Donley's sold a while ago and I don't know if the Oliphants  sold
  their machine.

   Eric

  -Original  Message-
  From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org  [mailto:phono-l-bounces at 
  oldcrank.org]
  On Behalf Of John  Maeder
  Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 7:11 AM
   To: Antique Phonograph List
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison  Idelia at Union

  It is the same  machine.  John

   Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008  06:25:44 -0400
   From: evong at vanausdall.com
To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
   Subject: Re: [Phono-L]  Edison Idelia at Union

   I read an  email stating the Donley's Idelia sold for 31.5K and the
Oliphants were asking $32K at Union for there machine.

   -Original Message-
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org
   [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org]
   On Behalf Of  wilenzick at bellsouth.net
   Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 8:55  PM
   To: Phono-L at oldcrank.org
   Subject:  [Phono-L] Edison Idelia at Union

   Can  someone provide details on the Edison Idelia that I understand  was
   for sale at Union?  Thanks.

   Ray
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[Phono-L] Edison Opera gear cover to trade only for same

2008-05-13 Thread John Maeder


I have an original maroon Edison 'Opera' governor gear cover intended for a 
mahogany machine.  Decent condition, some usual wear to striping.  Seek even 
trade for an original brown governor gear cover in comparable condition for an 
oak machine.  Email me for photos if interested at appywander 'at' hotmail 
'dot' com.  Thanks! John

[Phono-L] new toy and parts search

2008-05-01 Thread John Maeder

Or go to a janitorial supply house and buy a disinfecting enzyme cleaner.

 From: kbab1 at charter.net
 To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
 Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 20:24:11 -0500
 Subject: [Phono-L] new toy and parts search

 Hello to all.  I was working in a small town today and took a few minutes of
 my lunch hour and visited an antique shop.  I found an Edison Model D
 Triumph with an eleven panel cygnet horn and O reproducer.  I couldn't
 believe it when the price mentioned to me was only $425.  I guess there are
 still a few bargains out there.  Anyway, it is missing the crane but
 otherwise in nice condition.  Does anyone have an extra original crane to
 sell or trade?  Also, has anyone had any luck getting the old mouse nest
 smell out of the case?  The case on this one was completely full of mouse
 nest stuff and smell.  Thanks in advance for any help.  Ken B.  

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[Phono-L] Vertical on DD, Edison on saphire?

2008-04-11 Thread John Maeder

My Pathe' Actuelle fitted with a diamond stylus plays DD's quite nicely!  John

 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 17:37:57 -0400
 From: lhera...@bu.edu
 Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Vertical on DD, Edison on saphire?
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org

 Right, Bob.  I would not really advocate playing a Diamond Disc regularly on
 anything but a DD machine.

 Ron L

 -Original Message-
 From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
 Behalf Of Bob
 Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 5:07 PM
 To: Antique Phonograph List
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vertical on DD, Edison on saphire?

 Ron,
 What you said is correct; however, the head still had to be driven by 
 the record groove.  This would create an uneven lateral pressure on the 
 record groove and probably affected sound quality as well as record wear. 
 The ultona arm also had a weight mounted parallel to the arm that could be 
 moved back and forth to adjust the weight of the reproducer.  I'm assuming 
 it was designed to approximate the weight of a diamond disc reproducer as 
 the majority of vertical records that were played on it were probably Edison

 diamond disks.
 RMV
 - Original Message - 
 From: Ron L lhera...@bu.edu
 To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 4:07 PM
 Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Vertical on DD, Edison on saphire?

 I don't have an Ultona head, I only have the simpler one sided one.   The
  actual Ultona, as I remember it has a needle bar that looks just like a DD
  arrangement.  I believe the head can swivel as well to mimic DD geometry.

  Ron L

  -Original Message-
  From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] 
  On
  Behalf Of Douglas Houston
  Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 4:01 PM
  To: Antique Phonograph List
  Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Vertical on DD, Edison on saphire?

  Ron:  Of all people on this planet, I'm probably the least to comment
  intelligently about playing DD's on anything but an Edison phonograph. 
  But,
  since, for instance, the Brunswick Ultona head plays a DD, and the disc
  carries  the stylus across the record,  it does so on an angle not done on
  an Edison player. The modulaion of the groove is then read at an angle.
  Since Edison's stylus reads the modulation on a 90 degree angle to the 
  disc,
  does this degrade the quality (fidelity) of the recording, and would the
  playing angle have a detrimental effect to the disc, for the same number 
  of
  plays? I'm drawing from memory, because I haven't owned a Brunswick
  phonograph for some years, but I seem to remember that  the B'wick head
  plays the DD at an angle, as any oher of the twist around boxes did. 
  And,
  by the way, while the Brunswick phono I had was in very good shape, the DD

  I
  played on it sounded far poorer than it had sounded on a DD player I once
  had.

  I'm assuming of course, that the stylus pressure of the Ultona (or any 
  other
  head) would be similar to that of a DD player. We all know that Edison
  frowned upon anything but his players to play his records, but was there 
  any
  technical substance to this, or was it simply Madison Avenue hype?

  [Original Message]
  From: Ron L lhera...@bu.edu
  To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Date: 4/10/2008 12:07:50 PM
  Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Vertical on DD, Edison on saphire?

  Well, you can't use a DD reproducer on anything but a DD.  You could use 
  a
  suitable adaptor in place of the DD reproducer, however to play another
  brand vertical record on the DD machine.

  Diamond discs are not designed to propel the arm across the record.
  However
  if the machine is nice and level and the arm is very free swinging, it
  will
  work.  I don't know if there is anything to be gained or lost sonically.

  Ron L

  -Original Message-
  From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org]
  On
  Behalf Of james n. vandrisse
  Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 11:50 AM
  To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Subject: [Phono-L] Vertical on DD, Edison on saphire?

  (J.M.J.)

What would the pro and cons be regarding the playing of other company
  vertical records on a C-19 or C-250 machine? And what about playing DDs 
  on
  any other machines that the sound box can be turned to play vertical
  records
  with a saphire stylus? Are there any possible damages to records to be
  done,
  or any real fidelty or presences increased especially if playing Pathe,
  Lyric, Okeh, or other verticals through the 250 horn? I would like to try
  this on my machines but am waiting for any advise. Maybe I am best to 
  just
  continue to play records, as I have been, on the proper machines?

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[Phono-L] Unbelievable Find For Club Memeber In Virginia

2008-03-16 Thread John Maeder


I stopped in a little antique store in rural Southern Indiana on Friday that I 
frequent whenever I pass that way, and the owner told me that just two weeks 
ago, a Reginaphone was sold out of a farmhouse just down the road for $200.  He 
said that the sellers were going to throw it out.  I would have bought it but 
it looked like someone had put two things together . . . I never saw one that 
was a record player, too!  He said it changed hands quickly for $2K (still a 
bargain), and then again for around $10K.  The good stuff is still out there 
. . . and cheap if you're lucky!  John

 Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 10:02:17 -0700
 From: john9...@pacbell.net
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Unbelievable Find For Club Memeber In Virginia
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 
 What a great story. I love hearing stories like this, it keeps me searching!!
   John Robles
 
 kugl...@wmconnect.com wrote:
   First off, I'd like to share that the CAMPS (Carolina Antique Music 
 Phonograph Society Members) met in Mooresville, North Carolina yesterday. 
 Although the 
 annual show had been canceled, the members met at the home of a fellow 
 member. What a great turn out! We had several venders attend as well as many 
 members bringing many machines, parts, and thousands of records for sale and 
 swap. 
 My find of the day was 25 pristine 4-minute cylinders with boxes for $20.00.
 
 One of the members shared his incredible story of how he bought a fabulous 
 phonograph at a real bargain. Here is the story. Hope all readers are sitting 
 down...
 
 The member was in Greensboro, North Carolina several weeks ago and passed an 
 antique shop. Having a few minutes to spare, he stopped in and proceeded to 
 look around. After plundering and looking, he ran across something that 
 looked 
 interesting. Being a new phonograph collector (a record collector for years 
 and now in to collecting machines), he spotted what looked to be some kind of 
 console phonograph. After looking for a while, the clerk walking past 
 explained that this was a phonograph cabinet 'of some kind'. The clerk went 
 on to 
 say that the item was priced at $135.00 and that the shop had a 20% off sale 
 for 
 all items over $100.00. The member told the clerk thanks and that he wanted 
 to look at the item a little longer. He was not certain that he really wanted 
 this item. The member loved the beautiful brass bell horn, the cabinet was 
 beautiful, he thought; and all the parts seemed to be there. Not being really 
 familiar with this type of phonograph, the member decided that before he 
 walked away from this item, he would call a fellow member that was an expert 
 in the 
 field of phonographs. The member took his cell phone from his pocket and 
 called the fellow expert member. The member explained what he had observed 
 and 
 wanted to know if the machine would be worth the money and a drive back home 
 as 
 he would have to get his trailer. The expert member asked the individual to 
 provide, if he could, the name and model number of the machine. When the 
 individual provided the information, there was silence on both lines for what 
 seemed an eternity. The expert member said to please repeat what he had just 
 said 
 and the member slowly said the words Victor Auxetophone once again! 
 
 The response from the expert member was,  Buy that machine, and to buy that 
 machine NOW! 
 
 Yes, the member had found an original Victor Auxetophone in beautiful 
 condition. The final price$108.00 after the discount given at the 
 checkout 
 counter!
 
 Yes, a truly remarkable story that happened in Greensboro, North Carolina 
 just only weeks ago. 
 
 A fellow member has already offered this individual $13,000.00 for the 
 machine. The offer was made sight unseen! The owner has decided to add this 
 treasure to his collection and has passed on all offers thus far.
 
 This just goes to show us that there are still treasures waiting on us 
 collectors. I
 
 It's just a shame that the member did not buy a lottery ticket the same day. 
 The powerball jackpot was well over $200,000,000.00!
 
 As always, keep the speed limit at 78...rpm that is!
 
 Brantley 
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From gpaul2...@aol.com  Sun Mar 16 11:44:49 2008
From: gpaul2...@aol.com (gpaul2...@aol.com)
Date: Sun Mar 16 12:02:54 2008
Subject: [Phono-L] Universal Talking Machine
In-Reply-To: 005201c8875b$755e09d0$6401a...@user52c8f93503
References: 000a01c88702$05d3a560$6401a...@user52c8f93503 
8ca552944533558-11b0-...@fwm-m37.sysops.aol.com
005201c8875b$755e09d0$6401a...@user52c8f93503
Message-ID: 8ca55acf27bfb74-93...@webmail-df06.sysops.aol.com


 Actually, on looking at it closer, I think this is a later Zonophone Home - 
that would explain why the auctioneer referred to it as a Universal rather 
than a Zonophone (the

[Phono-L] Franken-Crapophone

2008-03-12 Thread John Maeder

They did AFTER they finally stopped the original auction where it was being 
presented as authentic.  If you read my post, I say that, and they only 
re-listed it after I emailed them three times.  You are looking at the 
re-listed item, Rich.  John

 From: timsanti...@northstate.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Franken-Crapophone
 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:34:39 -0400

 He clearly states it is made from several differant machines. He states the 
 word REPLICA at least three times. problem is?  Tim
 - Original Message - 
 From: John Maeder appywan...@hotmail.com
 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 7:35 AM
 Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Franken-Crapophone

 I emailed these sellers about an hour or two and nicely told them what it 
 was, since they had it listed as being the real thing.  A day later I 
 received an email saying they would look into it.  24 hours later it was 
 still up with no changes to the listing.  I couldn't help but notice Buy 
 From Someone You Can Trust at the top of their page so I emailed back again 
 simply quoting their logo with five question marks after it.  Still no 
 change to the listing.  Yesterday afternoon, I emailed them and bluntly told 
 them what it was again and asked why they hadn't changed the listing in 
 light of their slogan.  I finally received an email bank and was told I was 
 impolite and simply showing off my knowledge, that they were not experts 
 on everything, etc.  I emailed them back and told them that in the age of 
 Google, Wikipedia, and the internet in general, not accurately identifying 
 what you have to sell and interpreting that accurately in an eBay listing is 
 not excusable.  I told them I thought it was far more impolite to mislead 
 for profit, and if done intentionally, it is so impolite that it is fraud --  
 a felony.  I gave the example of the time I sold a quantity of antique 
 marbles on eBay and had to educate myself on the subject so I could describe 
 them accurately.  Am I now an expert on marbles? -- no.  All I remember is 
 that lutz swirls brought the most, and they came in different sizes, but I 
 took the time and trouble to learn what I had in order to sell it.  I asked 
 them if they did not see the irony in Buy From Someone You Can Trust at 
 the top of their page relative to their Frankenphone.  I only apologized for 
 not sugar-coating the truth about their item enough for them to be able to 
 swallow it.  Just a short time later, the auction was ended and now it has 
 been re-listed with a new description.  You just can't help some people 
 without a battle!  Like trying to save someone who's drowning.  Impolite . . 
 . me?  I don't give a cr*p's a** -- I've got too many years in this hobby 
 and care too much about it to have much tolerance for money-grubbing morons 
 mucking it up.  Thanks!  I feel better now!  John (the phono-curmudgeon)

  From: bruce78...@comcast.net
  To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Franken-Crapophone
  Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 06:05:07 -0400

  There is no doubt that this was  work of a deranged mad man, to create 
  this
  ultimate CRAPANOLA!!
  - Original Message - 
  From: est...@localnet.com
  To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com; phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 11:05 PM
  Subject: [Phono-L] Franken-Crapophone

This one is the worst I've seen yet- has two reproduction Columbia
   decals, and looks like a Grafonola case was sacrificed for this
   abortion.

   http://cgi.ebay.com/ANTIQUE-VINTAGE-STYLE-COLUMBIA-REPLICA-PHONOGRAPH_W0QQitemZ140214953262QQihZ004QQcategoryZ38028QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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From appywan...@hotmail.com  Wed Mar 12 07:17:07 2008
From: appywan...@hotmail.com (John Maeder)
Date: Wed Mar 12 07:28:46 2008
Subject: [Phono-L] Tinfoil To Stereo
In-Reply-To: 001e01c8843f$1bda3330$90d42...@ad.bu.edu
References: 382354.90473...@web37009.mail.mud.yahoo.com
blu112-w502c29804de9503fe5035cdc...@phx.gbl 
001e01c8843f$1bda3330$90d42...@ad.bu.edu
Message-ID: blu112-w540794053a7bcfb616dc20dc...@phx.gbl

The copy of FTFTS in the Louisville library had been stolen when I was younger. 
 An old antique dealer on Market Street named Henry Sexton who sold phonos and 
music boxes had a copy that he would let me look at.  John

 From: lhera...@bu.edu
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Tinfoil To Stereo
 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:46:36 -0400

 You are lucky to have been given that book.  I was one of a very

[Phono-L] Franken-Crapophone

2008-03-12 Thread John Maeder

I'm totally confused on who I was addressing.  I thought it was Rich.  Who's 
Tim?  Sorry for any confusion.  John

 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:29:17 -0500
 From: rich-m...@octoxol.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Franken-Crapophone

 Well, I wondered  I thought I was clear, but you never know.

 Robert Wright wrote:
  He was actually talking to Tim, Rich.  He just put the wrong name.

  - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com
  To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 9:53 AM
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Franken-Crapophone

  I have not bothered to look at the auction at all.  I was making a 
  GENERAL comment regarding eBay auctions and sellers in general.  If 
  you read what I wrote again you will notice that I commented on the 
  ethical quality of some sellers, but not all.

  John Maeder wrote:
  They did AFTER they finally stopped the original auction where it was 
  being presented as authentic.  If you read my post, I say that, and 
  they only re-listed it after I emailed them three times.  You are 
  looking at the re-listed item, Rich.  John

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From bjohn...@mrvictor.com  Wed Mar 12 14:02:47 2008
From: bjohn...@mrvictor.com (Bob Johnson)
Date: Wed Mar 12 14:04:40 2008
Subject: [Phono-L] Crapophones and The Buyers and The Dealers!
In-Reply-To: 005701c88473$e7a8e450$90d42...@ad.bu.edu
Message-ID: 200803122100.m2cl0ger016...@dish8.net.ibizdns.com

Hey Ron L.  email me about the Tin Foil to Stereo book.  Bob Johnson
bjohn...@mrvictor.com   

-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Ron L
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 12:05 PM
To: 'Antique Phonograph List'
Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Crapophones and The Buyers and The Dealers!

You are probably lucky that you did not get to talk to the fellow who had
just blown $950 of that $1000.  He would have thought that you were one of
the loosing bidders trying to make him feel bad, at the very least.

Ron L

-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of kugl...@wmconnect.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 2:17 PM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Crapophones and The Buyers and The Dealers!

I agree with all of you.  One must be careful in not only collecting 
phonographs, but collecting anything in general.  This is especially true
for the 
first timer that wants to jump into 'collecting.'  I read an email from
someone in 
this thread not long ago that used the adjective 'sleazy' to describe
antique 
dealers.  I would just like to say that not all antique dealers, just like 
car salesman and politicians, are dishonest.  In fact, I have obtained some
of 
my most prized antiques, including a phonograph or two from antique dealers.

We must understand that there are many people that do not take the time to 
research a subject before heading into it head over heals.  This includes
both the 
seller as well as the buyer.

An example of this was last summer when I attended a large estate auction in

my area.  The auctioneer advertised in the newspaper ad a nice vintage 'old'

Victrola with a real nice 'old' horn.  I tried to contact the auctioneer 
beforehand to ask some specifics so that I could find out if it was indeed a
nice 
old phonograph.  I could not reach him before the auction and was late
getting 
to the sale the next day.  By the time I got there, the phonograph was only 
moments from hitting the selling block.  The nice vintage 'old' Victrola
with a 
real nice 'old' horn turned out to be a nice old 'CRAPOLA'!  As my six year
old 
would say...YUCK!  

Before I could react, the auctioneer had already described it as the most 
beautiful Victrola that he had ever had the pleasure of auctioning off and
that 
whoever was fortunate enough to win the bid would really have a prize!  The 
crowd oooed and aawwed as if he were auctioning off the Hope Diamond.  As
soon as 
he started the bidding at $100.00, several hands flung toward the skies.  I 
told the man next to me, that had his fingers brushing his mustache in mad 
anticipation of bidding, that this was a reproduction item and that is was a

reproduction of the worst kind.  I explained to him what a Crapola is and he
said 
that I did not know what I was talking about as this was just like his
great 
grandmother's wonderful Victrola.  Yea, I know, a Victrola with a horn!!  
Anyway, I stood in total disbelief as the Crapola sold for over $1000.00!!!

After the auction, I shared some lessons of learning (Phonograph 101) with 
the auctioneer.  He did not want

[Phono-L] Franken-Crapophone

2008-03-12 Thread John Maeder

Apologies, Rich!  John

 From: esrobe...@hotmail.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Franken-Crapophone
 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:15:26 -0500

 Tim is who chimed in to say that the listing said REPLICA three times, etc, 
 and asked what the problem with it was.

 - Original Message - 
 From: John Maeder appywan...@hotmail.com
 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 3:19 PM
 Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Franken-Crapophone

 I'm totally confused on who I was addressing.  I thought it was Rich.  Who's 
 Tim?  Sorry for any confusion.  John 

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From msprin...@juno.com  Wed Mar 12 16:15:03 2008
From: msprin...@juno.com (Merle Sprinzen)
Date: Wed Mar 12 16:33:18 2008
Subject: [Phono-L] Franken-Crapophone
Message-ID: 20080312.193014.1604.8.msprin...@juno.com

Also note that the seller is I-Sold-It.  This is one of those businesses
where people can drop off all their stuff and they post and sell it on
eBay for them, with them keeping 50-percent or so of what the item
fetches.  They have less incentive/desire to make the most from each of
their items because they make their money in volume.

On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:15:09 -0400 John Maeder appywan...@hotmail.com
writes:

 They did AFTER they finally stopped the original auction where it 
 was being presented as authentic.  If you read my post, I say that, 
 and they only re-listed it after I emailed them three times.  You 
 are looking at the re-listed item, Rich.  John

  From: timsanti...@northstate.net
  To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Franken-Crapophone
  Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:34:39 -0400

  He clearly states it is made from several differant machines. He 
 states the 
  word REPLICA at least three times. problem is?  Tim
  - Original Message - 
  From: John Maeder appywan...@hotmail.com
  To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 7:35 AM
  Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Franken-Crapophone

  I emailed these sellers about an hour or two and nicely told them 
 what it 
  was, since they had it listed as being the real thing.  A day 
 later I 
  received an email saying they would look into it.  24 hours 
 later it was 
  still up with no changes to the listing.  I couldn't help but 
 notice Buy 
  From Someone You Can Trust at the top of their page so I emailed 
 back again 
  simply quoting their logo with five question marks after it.  
 Still no 
  change to the listing.  Yesterday afternoon, I emailed them and 
 bluntly told 
  them what it was again and asked why they hadn't changed the 
 listing in 
  light of their slogan.  I finally received an email bank and was 
 told I was 
  impolite and simply showing off my knowledge, that they were not 
 experts 
  on everything, etc.  I emailed them back and told them that in the 
 age of 
  Google, Wikipedia, and the internet in general, not accurately 
 identifying 
  what you have to sell and interpreting that accurately in an eBay 
 listing is 
  not excusable.  I told them I thought it was far more impolite to 
 mislead 
  for profit, and if done intentionally, it is so impolite that it 
 is fraud --  
  a felony.  I gave the example of the time I sold a quantity of 
 antique 
  marbles on eBay and had to educate myself on the subject so I 
 could describe 
  them accurately.  Am I now an expert on marbles? -- no.  All I 
 remember is 
  that lutz swirls brought the most, and they came in different 
 sizes, but I 
  took the time and trouble to learn what I had in order to sell it. 
  I asked 
  them if they did not see the irony in Buy From Someone You Can 
 Trust at 
  the top of their page relative to their Frankenphone.  I only 
 apologized for 
  not sugar-coating the truth about their item enough for them to be 
 able to 
  swallow it.  Just a short time later, the auction was ended and 
 now it has 
  been re-listed with a new description.  You just can't help some 
 people 
  without a battle!  Like trying to save someone who's drowning.  
 Impolite . . 
  . me?  I don't give a cr*p's a** -- I've got too many years in 
 this hobby 
  and care too much about it to have much tolerance for 
 money-grubbing morons 
  mucking it up.  Thanks!  I feel better now!  John (the 
 phono-curmudgeon)

   From: bruce78...@comcast.net
   To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
   Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Franken-Crapophone
   Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 06:05:07 -0400

   There is no doubt that this was  work of a deranged mad man, to 
 create 
   this
   ultimate CRAPANOLA!!
   - Original Message - 
   From: est...@localnet.com
   To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com; phono-l 
 phono-l@oldcrank.org
   Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 11:05 PM
   Subject: [Phono-L] Franken-Crapophone

 This one is the worst I've seen yet- has two reproduction 
 Columbia
decals, and looks like

[Phono-L] Victor #24-B brass horn

2008-03-02 Thread John Maeder

The #24-B is 24 across.  Wyatt's are 19.  Amazing that the 24 horn isn't 
reproduced . . . there's a natural market for them!  John

 From: kb...@charter.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Victor #24-B brass horn
 Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 13:02:43 -0600

 I believe that Wyatt's Musical Americana had these available.

 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor #24-B brass horn

 Has the #24-B brass horn ever been reproduced?  If so, are they available
 and where?  Anyone have an original for sale?  Thanks!  John
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From deedeebl...@yahoo.com  Sun Mar  2 12:17:27 2008
From: deedeebl...@yahoo.com (DeeDee Blais)
Date: Sun Mar  2 12:26:19 2008
Subject: [Phono-L] The Roosevelt Records are Sold
Message-ID: 328583.51773...@web37007.mail.mud.yahoo.com

Thanks but the Roosevelt picture records have been
sold.  Thanks for all the interest. Jerry Blais

Never miss a thing.  Make Yahoo your home page. 
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
From maxbu...@wowway.com  Sun Mar  2 13:17:36 2008
From: maxbu...@wowway.com (Bruce Mercer)
Date: Sun Mar  2 13:19:46 2008
Subject: [Phono-L] Edison LC-38 cabinet
References: 585990.23705...@web83729.mail.sp1.yahoo.com
Message-ID: 001801c87caa$d6b12fc0$5ca6b...@vaio

- Original Message - 
From: Glenn Longwell majesticrec...@snet.net
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison LC-38 cabinet

 Do you still have it?  Curious as to serial number.  Was it low or high 
 number?  Maybe they made a cheaper design near the end of production that 
 got rid of the hinge?  The only remnant on mine as to what was there are 
 the screw holes.  Can't tell from that.

 Glenn

I need to make a correction. My machine was an LU-37, not an LC-38. All I 
can say for sure is that the upright version did not have the access door to 
the motor for service. This machine was apparently from 1927 when it was 
offered along with the two Edisonics. The reason I say this is becaus it 
came equiped with an Edisonic, or by then, the new Standard reproducer. I 
swapped out the reproducer with another nice nickel plated one and kept the 
Edisonic. I sold the machine shortly afterward...the case was so ho-hum. I 
had gone to service a player piano I had rebuilt for a guy that owned a car 
dealership in a town nearby and say the most pristine C-19 imagineable. He 
said he had recently bought it still crated at an old furniture store. I 
made a beeline there. There were two machines still crated and one was badly 
water damaged from a leaky roof so I took the one in good condition. The 
other I found out later was a C-150 in oak. I did also come away with a 
bunch of new stylus bars and about 100 NOS Diamond Discs including six Long 
Plays. I have to say it was a real thrill to open up the LU machine though. 
It was packed like a mummy.

Bruce

[Phono-L] Interesting Edison item on Craigslist

2008-02-25 Thread John Maeder


Greg, et.al. -- The fact that Morgan contracted Edison to invent metered power 
is the reason he dropped research on the phonograph like a hot potato in 1878 
and plunged full on into the light bulb, etc.  

Wifey started out in life with a degree in psychology and a job as a state-paid 
social worker.  Her specialization was in vocational testing.  In order to make 
ends meet, she took a part-time second job at a credit call center.  Within a 
short time, the credit people offered her a full-time job at better pay, enough 
she could actually live on.  That was 35 years ago . . . the rest is history.  
She started out with the best intentions, but couldn't live on a social workers 
salary.  She's not  a CEO and while well-paid, is pretty far down the GE totem 
pole.  She is gone out of state all week long and only home on weekends, not a 
life-style we recommend to anybody.  She would be the first to agree with you 
about over-paid executives.  Nothing you say would offend.  As Edward Abbey 
wrote: Capitalism: Growth for the sake of growth -- the ideology of the cancer 
cell.  We're both old hippies.  John

 From: gbogan...@charter.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Interesting Edison item on Craigslist
 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:59:39 -0500
 
 John,
 
 You may be right about J.P. Morgan contracting with Edison for a metered 
 power invention.  I know that Edison spent time developing several systems 
 for metering DC power (quite different from the present system we use for 
 metering AC power).  He came up with at least one system that involved an 
 electro-chemical meter that essentially plated one metal from one electrode 
 to another.  By weighing the electrodes, the amount of current passing thru 
 the meter could be determined.  Edison did a lot of development work under 
 contract.  In fact, Edison is remembered today among the technically 
 oriented establishment as the inventor of the research and RD laboratory 
 concepts.  Before Edison, technical research was primarily done by 
 independent inventors like Edison.  His primary motivator in his career was 
 inventing.  He always referred to himself as an inventor, not a scientist or 
 engineer.  Toward that end, he developed tools and procedures that aided in 
 inventing things.  When he was able to accrue enough funding, the natural 
 evolution of that disposition was to invent the invention shop.  At Menlo 
 Park and again at West Orange, he had people employed for the sole purpose 
 of researching ideas (pure research) and in trying to find ways to employ 
 those ideas in the making of practical products (research and development). 
 He was the first employer to do this in history, and thus became the 
 inventor of the RD laboratory.
 
 I'm sitting here biting my tongue so that I don't say anything more on 
 the subject of executives at big corporations.  Such as the fact that CEO 
 actually refers to the CRIMINALLY EXCESSIVELY OVERPAID.
 
 I forgot to comment earlier on the price of that Edison dynamo on 
 Craigslist.  There are collectors of early electric motors and related 
 paraphernalia who would probably know much better about the worth of this 
 piece.  But I have seen such items go for this kind of price on eBay.  I'm 
 sure its value depends on its particular model and condition, but this is 
 probably a ballpark value for it these days.
 
 Greg Bogantz
 
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: John Maeder appywan...@hotmail.com
 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 4:20 PM
 Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Interesting Edison item on Craigslist
 
 
 
 Greg -- I am actually under the impression that Edison was approached and 
 contracted by J.P. Morgan to invent metered power and the practical 
 applications thereof.  Speaking of one of the biggest cash cows in Murkan 
 history . . . my wife is (grudgingly) an executive with GEMoney (formerly 
 GE Credit)!  John
 
  From: gbogan...@charter.net
  To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Interesting Edison item on Craigslist
  Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:17:18 -0500
 
  That's an Edison motor-dynamo.  The design of it would date to the 
  invention
  of the incandescent lamp in 1879 or thereabouts, so the 1882 patent date 
  is
  probably right.  Edison had to invent the entire power generation,
  distribution, and consumer product line of products right along with the
  lamp to ensure that there was a market for the lamp products.  He 
  literally
  had to invent the entire market for distributed-power electricity in the
  home and much of industry and small businesses.  Most people either don't
  know this or have forgotten it in all the hoopla over the lamp and the
  phonograph.  Unlike Rockefeller and Vanderbilt in his own gilded age, and
  Bill Gates, Rupert Murdock, and all the other fat capitalist pigs of our
  modern Second Gilded Age (have YOUR wages kept up with inflation? 
  Murdock's
  has

[Phono-L] Record Storage Rack

2008-02-25 Thread John Maeder

George Lucas = Scotty Corbett !!!

 From: pjfra...@alamedanet.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Record Storage Rack
 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:23:42 -0800

 Still, it was fun to see. Wow, is that George Lucas sitting there?

 Sent from my iPhone

 -- Peter
 pjfra...@mac.com

 On Feb 25, 2008, at 11:01 AM, Loran Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com wrote:

  Oops, the photo attachment was my fault folks. The system caught it  
  and I approved it by accident. For the record, Phono-L does not  
  (normally) allow attachments.

  Sorry,
  Loran
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From bruce78...@comcast.net  Mon Feb 25 17:34:14 2008
From: bruce78...@comcast.net (BruceY)
Date: Mon Feb 25 17:32:29 2008
Subject: [Phono-L] 15 3/4 Pathe Records, and Music Service Co.
References: 
000e01c87736$3807be30$6401a...@user52c8f93503000a01c87738$b3c47610$0202a...@michael001001c8773f$cb777df0$6401a...@user52c8f93503
bay123-dav27c1cacb91aa4b698eec3aa...@phx.gbl
Message-ID: 00ac01c87817$b2cc3f10$6401a...@user52c8f93503

What is even more amazing that eventually I was going to buy one of the ones 
you purchased on ebay and low and behold I stumble across these in an 
antique/junk shop about 10 miles from here. Two weeks ago I was asking on 
the 78list if the Victor/Gramophone and Typewriter Co. early Red Seal 
Suzanne Adam Opera Record predated the Columbia Grand Opera record that she 
did around the same time. Guess what else I found at the Anique/Junk shop, 
yup the extremely rare Suzanne Adams Columbia!! Pretty incredible. The 
strange thing is that I don't spend much time anymore out looking for old 
78's.

Bruce
- Original Message - 
From: Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] 15 3/4 Pathe Records, and Music Service Co.

 Wow, I've never seen the elusive 16 (ish) Pathe in all these years, and 
 now two stashes show up.  Bruce, the records you describe are exactly the 
 same as the ones I just grabbed from eBay last month.  Ron Dethlefson has 
 exstensive info about them in his Pathe book, wich I haven't had the funds 
 to grab a copy of just yet (but he told me it's all in there).  Dr. K has 
 2 machines that accommodate these monster discs and can tell you more than 
 I. I transferred the Ca. Ramblers title (Cat. #566) among my stash and 
 sent it to an Adrian Rollini enthusiast in the UK who confirmed that in 
 typical Pathe fashion, the performance is the same as other Pathe issues 
 (always with the pantographing!  I swear).  Here's what he had to say:

 Thank you SO much for the recording  - beautifully done - you know your 
 stuff I think.
 Anyway, the California Ramblers were also known as The Golden Gate 
 Orchestra  many other names for different record labels.
 'Where is That Old Girl of Mine' was only recorded once by them  it was 
 under the name of 'The Vagabonds' on June 6th 1924 matrix number 8912-A. 
 The strange thing is that it was not recorded for Pathe at all but for the 
 Gennett Label (Gennett 5529)  also released on Edison Bell Winner (4121) 
  Starr 9566 - note last three numbers (566)  which correspond to the 
 matrix marks on your disc!!!???
 I can confirm that both yours  the Gennett are absolutely identical  
 your speed is running perfectly correctly - putting the tune in the key of 
 Eb.

 That the speed and key match tells me the discs run at 120rpm exactly.

 I still need to collect all title/artist/number/matrix info on these 
 discs. Work picked up and I've been swamped for a month now.

 Best to all,
 Robert

 - Original Message - 
 From: BruceY bruce78...@comcast.net
 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 5:48 PM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] 15 3/4 Pathe Records, and Music Service Co.

 What type of phonograph would they be playing these 15 3/4 Pathes and 
 Music Service Co. Records on in the early twenties? They do not fit on a 
 regular type Pathe Machine, which could accomodate up to the 14 pathes.

 Bruce

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[Phono-L] Gold plating

2008-02-17 Thread John Maeder

When I say luster, I'm referring to the rather matte appearance of the plated 
surface, as opposed to the shiny polished-appearing gold.  Is that a function 
of the coating?  John

 Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 22:19:34 -0500
 From: lhera...@bu.edu
 Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Gold plating
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org

 I'm not sure but I think some of the original luster on Victor plated
 parts is from shellac or lacquer applied over the plating.

 Ron L

 -Original Message-
 From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
 Behalf Of John Maeder
 Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 11:28 AM
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: [Phono-L] Gold plating

 Can anyone direct me to a plater that can replicate the original lustre.  I
 specifically need some Victor parts plated.  Thanks!  John
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From rich-m...@octoxol.com  Sun Feb 17 20:02:12 2008
From: rich-m...@octoxol.com (Rich)
Date: Sun Feb 17 20:16:30 2008
Subject: [Phono-L] Gold plating
In-Reply-To: blu112-w41fbe4fcc335acc9ee00b8dc...@phx.gbl
References: blu112-w544d81403b0b390bd1dc...@phx.gbl   
004a01c871dd$1654dab0$2f01a...@ronlherault
blu112-w41fbe4fcc335acc9ee00b8dc...@phx.gbl
Message-ID: 47b90344.3000...@octoxol.com

Call Steve Farmer  760-726-7402.  He can solve your problem

John Maeder wrote:
 When I say luster, I'm referring to the rather matte appearance of the plated 
 surface, as opposed to the shiny polished-appearing gold.  Is that a function 
 of the coating?  John

 Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 22:19:34 -0500
 From: lhera...@bu.edu
 Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Gold plating
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org

 I'm not sure but I think some of the original luster on Victor plated
 parts is from shellac or lacquer applied over the plating.

 Ron L

 -Original Message-
 From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
 Behalf Of John Maeder
 Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 11:28 AM
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: [Phono-L] Gold plating

 Can anyone direct me to a plater that can replicate the original lustre.  I
 specifically need some Victor parts plated.  Thanks!  John
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From lhera...@bu.edu  Sun Feb 17 21:00:38 2008
From: lhera...@bu.edu (Ron L'Herault)
Date: Sun Feb 17 21:01:29 2008
Subject: [Phono-L] Gold plating
In-Reply-To: blu112-w41fbe4fcc335acc9ee00b8dc...@phx.gbl
Message-ID: 005f01c871eb$37ae9260$2f01a...@ronlherault

I think it is.  I have not yet stripped a gold tone arm with alcohol to see
if it is shiny underneath the matte finish or not though.  Often a clear
coat of some kind is applied over gold plating to improve the wear of the
finish.

Ron L

-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of John Maeder
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 10:33 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Gold plating

When I say luster, I'm referring to the rather matte appearance of the
plated surface, as opposed to the shiny polished-appearing gold.  Is that a
function of the coating?  John

 Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 22:19:34 -0500
 From: lhera...@bu.edu
 Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Gold plating
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org

 I'm not sure but I think some of the original luster on Victor 
 plated parts is from shellac or lacquer applied over the plating.

 Ron L

 -Original Message-
 From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org 
 [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of John Maeder
 Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 11:28 AM
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: [Phono-L] Gold plating

 Can anyone direct me to a plater that can replicate the original 
 lustre.  I specifically need some Victor parts plated.  Thanks!  John 
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[Phono-L] Unbelievable

2008-02-05 Thread John Maeder

I'm trying not to sound snide here, but in 40 years collecting, I've never seen 
anyone do this with a reproducer . . . unbelievable that they can't figure it 
out!  I was once fortunate enough to find a D reproducer jammed into a Home 
carriage eye, but this takes the cake!  eBay #310020775592

John
From gbogan...@charter.net  Tue Feb  5 14:51:32 2008
From: gbogan...@charter.net (Greg Bogantz)
Date: Tue Feb  5 16:06:50 2008
Subject: [Phono-L] Portable phonos
References: 
000601c86819$e97a0be0$0200a...@office47a8bd72.7020...@mediaguide.com
bay123-dav14049431ae33eba9f9485daa...@phx.gbl
Message-ID: 003d01c86849$a75cd780$6400a...@hpa1514n

Hi Robert,  Thanks for your confidence, but I don't have personal experience 
with this machine.  It is a Columbia 161 and uses what appears to be the #15 
Viva-Tonal reproducer.  I'm sure it probably sounds better than other, 
earlier portables, but I sincerely doubt that the audio clip that you 
reference was actually recorded from this machine.  That clip has all the 
characteristics of a playback with a modern hifi phono cartridge.  In 
particular, there is no midrange peakiness which is still characteristic of 
all acoustic reproducers that I know of.  And the bass is far more extended 
than I've heard come from any acoustic reproducer played thru a horn, 
including the biggest exponential horns.  Even if the recording was made by 
sticking the microphone well down inside the horn of an acoustic player, I 
don't thing the bass would be this good and the midrange would certainly be 
honkier than what we hear in this clip.  I've been wrong plenty of times, 
but I still doubt that this recording was made from this machine.

Greg Bogantz

- Original Message - 
From: Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Herzog Peg Layout

 Only rule I can think of is never trust the original handle!  I've always 
 liked the Victor Orthophonic suitcase models, but there's a Columbia 
 Viva-Tonal model out there that sounds almost hi-fi, like a Credenza. 
 Anyone know which one I'm talking about?  Here's a pic:

 http://pagesperso-orange.fr/jlf/pho/18.jpg

 And here's the page associated with the pic, with a sound clip of it 
 playing.

 http://pagesperso-orange.fr/jlf/enphonos.htm

 I don't know how this gent mic'd the phono or anything, but the bottom end 
 on this machine appears to be pretty amazing.  Where's Greg Bogantz?  I 
 bet he knows about this machine.

 Best,
 Robert

 - Original Message - 
 From: Thatcher Graham thatc...@mediaguide.com
 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:48 PM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Herzog Peg Layout

 And while I'm tapping the great knowledge bank that is the phonolist, are 
 there any basic rules of thumb be applied to buying a portable 
 phonograph? What types of problems are common/endemic to certain models?
 What's impossible to repair and should be inspected before purchase?
 What's a generally good make/model? etc

 mark.albert...@comcast.net
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[Phono-L] Triumph on eBay

2008-02-04 Thread John Maeder


Last night I told my wife that while everyone was watching the Superbowl (I'm 
not a sports fan), I was going shopping on eBay.  In my search, I found a 
magnificent unrestored but clean Model F Triumph that had been listed just a 
short time earlier.  It had an oak cygnet horn, O reproducer, and sat on its 
original drawer-front cylinder cabinet with carved claw feet that was chock 
full of assorted cylinders.  I saw at least one maroon opera box in a photo of 
one of the open drawers.  Something highly unusual . . . the umbrella 
signature/Trade Mark decal that is typically on the front carriage support 
casting was instead affixed to the rear casting!  The whole shooting match had 
a Buy It Now of $3500.  I told my wife I was buying something on eBay.  She 
asked, What?  I replied, I'll tell you as soon as I hit the Buy It Now 
button.  I hit the button, the page reloaded and . . . I wasn't the buyer!!!  
Someone else must have hit it a second ahead of me.  It took me a couple of 
hours to get over my disappointment.  Did anyone happen to see that beautiful 
Triumph?  The seller was unwilling to ship, so on the bright side, it saved me 
a trip to New Jersey!John
From msprin...@juno.com  Mon Feb  4 16:07:49 2008
From: msprin...@juno.com (Merle Sprinzen)
Date: Mon Feb  4 16:12:14 2008
Subject: [Phono-L] Idelia on eBay
Message-ID: 20080204.191024.3560.44.msprin...@juno.com

Item number 200195851628.  I'm very suspicious about the bidding pattern.
 Looks like h**9 stopped at just the time he knew the winner had maxed
out his bid.  This is exactly the reason I use esnipe to place my bids.
 
On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 09:40:16 -0800 Peter Fraser pjfra...@alamedanet.net
writes:
 Missed that!  Does anyone have the item number?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 -- Peter
 pjfra...@mac.com
 
 On Feb 4, 2008, at 9:07 AM, wilenz...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
  Guess y'all saw that the Idelia on eBay sold for $31,100.  Nice  
  machine and price, but not quite as nice as the one Guido sold 
 just  
  two years ago this month for $41,100.  The market may be soft, but 
  
  rare machines are doing ok, as always.
 
  Ray
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From wilenz...@bellsouth.net  Mon Feb  4 16:21:56 2008
From: wilenz...@bellsouth.net (wilenz...@bellsouth.net)
Date: Mon Feb  4 16:22:21 2008
Subject: [Phono-L] Idelia on eBay
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Message-ID: 000b01c8678d$1f86d980$6101a...@wilenzick

I would like to see production numbers as well.  However, Terry Baer, who 
has done considerable research into known Ideals/Idelias, said last year 
that his records indicated some 59 machines in existence today.  This breaks 
down into 21 Ideals, 10 model B Idelias, 1 C, 22 D's, and 5 E's.  Perhaps he 
knows of more now, including the one that just sold.  So these machines 
really are not all that rare after all.  But as we all know, rarity does not 
necessarily correlate with value or desirability.

Ray

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From: Albert cen...@comcast.net
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Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Idelia on eBay


 They cannot be that rare.  There are at least four of them here in Oregon, 
 and most of the collections out of state I have viewed have one.  I sure 
 would like to see production numbers.   Albert
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 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 1:55 PM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Idelia on eBay


 BREKAS AUCTION A FEW YEARS AGO SOLD ONE FOR 40 K ALSO
 HOW MANY OF US HAVE idelias out of curiousity
 i know terry baer did a  study on them
 zono


 In a message dated 2/4/2008 12:14:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
 wilenz...@bellsouth.net writes:

 Guess  y'all saw that the Idelia on eBay sold for $31,100.  Nice machine 
 and
 price, but not quite as nice as the one Guido sold just two years ago 
 this
 month for $41,100.  The market may be soft, but rare machines are doing 
 ok, as
 always.

 Ray
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[Phono-L] Triumph on eBay

2008-02-04 Thread John Maeder

I deleted the auction from my watched list in exasperation after it ended.  I 
wish I would have kept it now!  John

 From: rvu...@comcast.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Triumph on eBay
 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 21:06:07 -0500

 Can you tell us the item number so we can do a search and see it?
 - Original Message - 
 From: John Maeder appywan...@hotmail.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 7:07 PM
 Subject: [Phono-L] Triumph on eBay

 Last night I told my wife that while everyone was watching the Superbowl 
 (I'm not a sports fan), I was going shopping on eBay.  In my search, I found 
 a magnificent unrestored but clean Model F Triumph that had been listed just 
 a short time earlier.  It had an oak cygnet horn, O reproducer, and sat on 
 its original drawer-front cylinder cabinet with carved claw feet that was 
 chock full of assorted cylinders.  I saw at least one maroon opera box in a 
 photo of one of the open drawers.  Something highly unusual . . . the 
 umbrella signature/Trade Mark decal that is typically on the front carriage 
 support casting was instead affixed to the rear casting!  The whole shooting 
 match had a Buy It Now of $3500.  I told my wife I was buying something on 
 eBay.  She asked, What?  I replied, I'll tell you as soon as I hit the 
 Buy It Now button.  I hit the button, the page reloaded and . . . I wasn't 
 the buyer!!!  Someone else must have hit it a second ahead of me.  It took 
 me a couple of hours to get over my disappointment.  Did anyone happen to 
 see that beautiful Triumph?  The seller was unwilling to ship, so on the 
 bright side, it saved me a trip to New Jersey!John
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From appywan...@hotmail.com  Mon Feb  4 18:36:09 2008
From: appywan...@hotmail.com (John Maeder)
Date: Mon Feb  4 18:37:48 2008
Subject: [Phono-L] Triumph on eBay
In-Reply-To: 01c8679e$74ff4800$6401a...@gap
References: 01c8679e$74ff4800$6401a...@gap
Message-ID: blu112-w165a078a872c6b180453fadc...@phx.gbl

Yup . . . that was the one.  John

 From: jpis...@cox.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: [Phono-L] Triumph on eBay
 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 21:26:04 -0500

 I believe it is ebay # 270209025105.  Any guesses as to why the Edison
 signature is on the back?

 Can you tell us the item number so we can do a search and see it?
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 From: John Maeder appywander at hotmail.com
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 To: phono-l at oldcrank.org http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l

 Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 7:07 PM
 Subject: [Phono-L] Triumph on eBay

 Last night I told my wife that while everyone was watching the Superbowl 
 (I'm not a sports fan), I was going shopping on eBay.  In my search, I found

 a magnificent unrestored but clean Model F Triumph that had been listed just

 a short time earlier.  It had an oak cygnet horn, O reproducer, and sat on 
 its original drawer-front cylinder cabinet with carved claw feet that was 
 chock full of assorted cylinders.  I saw at least one maroon opera box in a 
 photo of one of the open drawers.  Something highly unusual . . . the 
 umbrella signature/Trade Mark decal that is typically on the front carriage 
 support casting was instead affixed to the rear casting!  The whole shooting

 match had a Buy It Now of $3500.  I told my wife I was buying something on 
 eBay.  She asked, What?  I replied, I'll tell you as soon as I hit the 
 Buy It Now button.  I hit the button, the page reloaded and . . . I wasn't 
 the buyer!!!  Someone else must have hit it a second ahead of me.  It took 
 me a couple of hours to get over my disappointment.  Did anyone happen to 
 see that beautiful Triumph?  The seller was unwilling to ship, so on the 
 bright side, it saved me a trip to New Jersey!John

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From jpis...@cox.net  Mon Feb  4 18:14:46 2008
From: jpis...@cox.net (John Pisano)
Date: Mon Feb  4 18:56:46 2008
Subject: [Phono-L] Crystola For Sale
Message-ID: 01c8679c$e0ecbef0$6401a...@gap

I have a Crystola phonograph for sale if anyone is interested.  It is a
mahogany upright with a beveled glass internal horn.  The new owner would
probably want to refinish the case and it is missing the grill.  I assume it
was taken off in order to view the interesting glass horn.  Besides that, it
is complete.  I'm asking $300.00 for it.  I haven't gotten around to taking
pictures of it yet.  Feel free to e-mail me if you are interested.
jpis...@cox.net.  It will need to be picked up in Northern Virginia.  If you
do come out, I'm cleaning my basement and have lots of fixer uppers - you
might find something else to buy as well

[Phono-L] $2550 Edison Standard B

2007-12-02 Thread John Maeder

It isn't.  Some people just aren't used to seeing phonographs in great 
condition and get too excited.  As an investment, even if you were in your 20's 
and hung on to it until the day before you lived out your natural life, you'd 
never get your money out of this one.  John

 From: d...@old-phonographs.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] $2550 Edison Standard B
 Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 07:14:38 -0800

 Does anyone know why this is going for so much? It doesn't seem to be very 
 special from what I could see.

 Dan

 - Original Message - 
 From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com
 To: phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com; Phono-l 
 phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 5:31 AM
 Subject: [Phono-L] $2550 Edison Standard B

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From bruce78...@comcast.net  Sun Dec  2 07:57:03 2007
From: bruce78...@comcast.net (BruceY)
Date: Sun Dec  2 07:56:10 2007
Subject: [Phono-L] $2550 Edison Standard B
References: 
22459-12207-eyptlk-zm5d-v4cq...@e-dialog.combay102-w1918051041b11ad4c536a3f6...@phx.gbl
006101c834f6$0f55a790$6501a...@danslaptop
blu112-w5691f05bbd20b759d1ea47dc...@phx.gbl
Message-ID: 001201c834fb$fc1cf150$6401a...@user52c8f93503

Wow all that money for a Standard 2 minute B?? that is incredible (Albeit a 
very nice original machine with original brocure). This guy could really 
draw in an inexperianced buyer (someone who really wants their first machine 
to be a pristine one), If you read the description, this guy has really has 
got it down to a Science. You have to give him the award as the ultimate 
Guru of flowery and descriptive phrases and adjectives!! Outstanding.

Bruce
- Original Message - 
From: John Maeder appywan...@hotmail.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 10:49 AM
Subject: RE: [Phono-L] $2550 Edison Standard B

It isn't.  Some people just aren't used to seeing phonographs in great 
condition and get too excited.  As an investment, even if you were in your 
20's and hung on to it until the day before you lived out your natural life, 
you'd never get your money out of this one.  John

 From: d...@old-phonographs.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] $2550 Edison Standard B
 Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 07:14:38 -0800

 Does anyone know why this is going for so much? It doesn't seem to be very
 special from what I could see.

 Dan

 - Original Message - 
 From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com
 To: phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com; Phono-l
 phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 5:31 AM
 Subject: [Phono-L] $2550 Edison Standard B

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[Phono-L] Len Spencer's Lyceum

2007-11-26 Thread John Maeder

It was in NYC.  He suffered a fatal heart attack in his office there in 1914.  
Google Len Spencer's Lyceum and you will find his obit there in a link to the 
New York Times.  His is the second obit in the column you download.  

 From: glast...@comcast.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Len Spencer's Lyceum
 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:50:07 -0600

 Most likely they were used for sing alongs between acts.  They would be 
 projected on a screen from a magic lantern and the audience would 
 participate.  Later, when animation came to be used, they added a bouncing 
 ball to make it easier to follow the music.

 I assume Len Spencer owned a theatre somewhere named the Lyceum, most likely 
 in his hometown or wherever his home base was.

 - Original Message - 
 From: michael funk f...@insightbb.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 4:14 PM
 Subject: [Phono-L] Len Spencer's Lyceum

 I was cleaning out some boxes I had with old phono materials in them and
  came across a tin box full of glass slides illustrating lyrics or photos 
  to
  a song. The box in embossed property of Len Spencer's Lyceum.  How would
  these have been used at the Lyceum?  To accompany singers and phonograph
  records as they played?  Is it possible there was also an arcade that with 
  a
  coin op machine that played a record and showed the glass slides (like a
  kinetescope)?  I was not able to find anything with Google. Thanks in
  advance for your help,

  P.S. Mike and I had a fun project yesterday. We had bought a huge Nipper 
  at
  Stanton's that has a speaker fixed inside with a screen in his neck area.
  We were able to combine the old speaker wire with new wire and hook it up 
  to
  a CD player.  We were thrilled to hear Fred Van Epps coming from Nipper!

  Suellen

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From bruce78...@comcast.net  Mon Nov 26 06:28:42 2007
From: bruce78...@comcast.net (BruceY)
Date: Mon Nov 26 06:27:50 2007
Subject: [Phono-L] Len Spencer's Lyceum
References: 000901c82fb0$89a4fd20$6401a...@your4dacd0ea75
01bf01c8302a$e75a65c0$7d57c...@none05vofc1vwp
Message-ID: 000f01c83038$a5bda470$6401a...@user52c8f93503

The Lyceum Theatre is the oldest contiunously operating theatre in NYC, at 
149 West 45th Street in Midtown Manhatten. Per the interesting Funeral 
notice that I posted last week concerning Len Spencer's unusual Funeral 
Arrangement in December of 1914, his booking office was nearby at 245 West 
42nd Street, so it is likely that Spencer probably owned the theatre for a 
time, or at least put on programs there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyceum_Theatre_(New_York)

Bruce
- Original Message - 
From: George Glastris glast...@comcast.net
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 7:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Len Spencer's Lyceum

 Most likely they were used for sing alongs between acts.  They would be 
 projected on a screen from a magic lantern and the audience would 
 participate.  Later, when animation came to be used, they added a 
 bouncing ball to make it easier to follow the music.

 I assume Len Spencer owned a theatre somewhere named the Lyceum, most 
 likely in his hometown or wherever his home base was.

 - Original Message - 
 From: michael funk f...@insightbb.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 4:14 PM
 Subject: [Phono-L] Len Spencer's Lyceum

I was cleaning out some boxes I had with old phono materials in them and
 came across a tin box full of glass slides illustrating lyrics or photos 
 to
 a song. The box in embossed property of Len Spencer's Lyceum.  How 
 would
 these have been used at the Lyceum?  To accompany singers and phonograph
 records as they played?  Is it possible there was also an arcade that 
 with a
 coin op machine that played a record and showed the glass slides (like a
 kinetescope)?  I was not able to find anything with Google. Thanks in
 advance for your help,

 P.S. Mike and I had a fun project yesterday. We had bought a huge Nipper 
 at
 Stanton's that has a speaker fixed inside with a screen in his neck area.
 We were able to combine the old speaker wire with new wire and hook it up 
 to
 a CD player.  We were thrilled to hear Fred Van Epps coming from Nipper!

 Suellen

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[Phono-L] Len Spencer's Lyceum

2007-11-26 Thread John Maeder

On Tim Gracyk's site, the page detailing what happened to recording artists 
states that Spencer was a doorman at the Lyceum at the time of his death, but 
the NYT obit I refer to would seem to contradict that.

 From: bruce78...@comcast.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Len Spencer's Lyceum
 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:28:42 -0500

 The Lyceum Theatre is the oldest contiunously operating theatre in NYC, at 
 149 West 45th Street in Midtown Manhatten. Per the interesting Funeral 
 notice that I posted last week concerning Len Spencer's unusual Funeral 
 Arrangement in December of 1914, his booking office was nearby at 245 West 
 42nd Street, so it is likely that Spencer probably owned the theatre for a 
 time, or at least put on programs there.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyceum_Theatre_(New_York)

 Bruce
 - Original Message - 
 From: George Glastris glast...@comcast.net
 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 7:50 AM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Len Spencer's Lyceum

  Most likely they were used for sing alongs between acts.  They would be 
  projected on a screen from a magic lantern and the audience would 
  participate.  Later, when animation came to be used, they added a 
  bouncing ball to make it easier to follow the music.

  I assume Len Spencer owned a theatre somewhere named the Lyceum, most 
  likely in his hometown or wherever his home base was.

  - Original Message - 
  From: michael funk f...@insightbb.com
  To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 4:14 PM
  Subject: [Phono-L] Len Spencer's Lyceum

 I was cleaning out some boxes I had with old phono materials in them and
  came across a tin box full of glass slides illustrating lyrics or photos 
  to
  a song. The box in embossed property of Len Spencer's Lyceum.  How 
  would
  these have been used at the Lyceum?  To accompany singers and phonograph
  records as they played?  Is it possible there was also an arcade that 
  with a
  coin op machine that played a record and showed the glass slides (like a
  kinetescope)?  I was not able to find anything with Google. Thanks in
  advance for your help,

  P.S. Mike and I had a fun project yesterday. We had bought a huge Nipper 
  at
  Stanton's that has a speaker fixed inside with a screen in his neck area.
  We were able to combine the old speaker wire with new wire and hook it up 
  to
  a CD player.  We were thrilled to hear Fred Van Epps coming from Nipper!

  Suellen

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From bruce78...@comcast.net  Mon Nov 26 06:56:55 2007
From: bruce78...@comcast.net (BruceY)
Date: Mon Nov 26 06:58:51 2007
Subject: [Phono-L] Len Spencer's Lyceum
References: 
000901c82fb0$89a4fd20$6401a...@your4dacd0ea7501bf01c8302a$e75a65c0$7d57c...@none05vofc1vwp
blu112-w47f5824d385fc4eaf6a956dc...@phx.gbl
Message-ID: 000801c8303c$972c6820$6401a...@user52c8f93503

He could have used these glass slides of songs as an aid to audition 
performers, since he ran this talent and booking agency and it was not a 
theatre.

Bruce
- Original Message - 
From: John Maeder appywan...@hotmail.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 9:00 AM
Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Len Spencer's Lyceum

It was in NYC.  He suffered a fatal heart attack in his office there in 
1914.  Google Len Spencer's Lyceum and you will find his obit there in a 
link to the New York Times.  His is the second obit in the column you 
download.

 From: glast...@comcast.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Len Spencer's Lyceum
 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:50:07 -0600

 Most likely they were used for sing alongs between acts.  They would be
 projected on a screen from a magic lantern and the audience would
 participate.  Later, when animation came to be used, they added a 
 bouncing
 ball to make it easier to follow the music.

 I assume Len Spencer owned a theatre somewhere named the Lyceum, most 
 likely
 in his hometown or wherever his home base was.

 - Original Message - 
 From: michael funk f...@insightbb.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 4:14 PM
 Subject: [Phono-L] Len Spencer's Lyceum

 I was cleaning out some boxes I had with old phono materials in them and
  came across a tin box full of glass slides illustrating lyrics or photos
  to
  a song. The box in embossed property of Len Spencer's Lyceum.  How 
  would
  these have been used at the Lyceum

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