Re: [Phono-L] New collector in Los Angeles

[John Robles via Phono-L]

Hi Steve.
I'm about an hour or so north of LA and will be hosting a meeting of the Golden 
State Phonograph Society later this month. Perhaps hed like to come and meet 
several collectors from Southern California at one time! We'll be celebrating 
our 20th Anniversary as well. Feel free to give him my email address.
Thanks
John Robles

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  On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 3:14 AM, SN Medved via Phono-L 
wrote:#yiv4066509675 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Greeting,
There is a young man (around 30) who lives in Los Angeles who is interested in 
phonographs.  He has an Amberola 30, I just rebuilt his reproducer.  Is anyone 
in the area interested in meeting with him?  If so send me an email off list.  
He is interested in meeting other collectors and hopefully he will join APS.

Steve Medved
steve_nor...@msn.com
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Re: [Phono-L] Another Victor L-Door VV-XVI knob issue

[John Robles via Phono-L]

George is closing this month, I think around the 21st(?) and will be closed 
until April. If you need anything, order it NOW!
John Robles

  From: Ron L'Herault via Phono-L <phono-l@oldcrank.org>
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I hate to ask the obvious, but have you contacted George Vollema?   He’s 
probably your best chance, if not for the knobs then maybe for the diameters of 
same.  Ron L  From: Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of 
Richard Rubin via Phono-L
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 8:09 PM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Cc: Richard Rubin
Subject: [Phono-L] Another Victor L-Door VV-XVI knob issue  Greetings.  I have 
a Victor L-Door VV-XVI (C series) and I need two smaller gold knobs in addition 
to the one large gold door knob I posted about yesterday.  In this case, I need 
the knob that is affixed to the front of the record shelf (the one that pulls 
out in between the speaker and the L-doors) and the one that should be affixed 
to the upper left-hand corner of the motor board to facilitate pulling it up.  
I could also use the one that attached to the pull-down door in the back of the 
cabinet.  These are also basic screw knobs with no backing, I believe.  I have 
no idea what the diameter of any of these knobs should be; if someone could let 
me know, I would be grateful.  And if someone should happen to have any or all 
of them to sell, please let me know.  Thanks again! 
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Re: [Phono-L] looking for a few cylinders

[John Robles via Phono-L]

I just bought 500 cylinders, send me your wants!
John Robles

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 Hi, everyone.  I'm 
looking for a few specific cylinders to replace some that have broken. If you 
think you might be able to help me out, please email me directly and I will 
share the titles. Thank you!
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Re: [Phono-L] cylinder cabinet replacement posts needed

[John Robles via Phono-L]

Tim Fabrizio sells them, his email address is phono...@gmail.com.
John Robles


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Phono 
Listers:  I can’t find the source contact information , for the person who I 
got my last batch of cylinder cardboard replacement posts from.  I would 
appreciate any info you may have.  Thanks in advance  Bob Maffit 
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Re: [Phono-L] Model K/S pointer needed

[John Robles via Phono-L]

Well, taking into consideration the stock he keeps on hand and the costs of 
storage, etc, I guess the prices are ok. I guess it just comes down to what a 
person has the means to pay. I don't have a lot of disposable income for 
phonograph parts, so I hunt for the best deal I can. A higher price, like 
beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.

  From: Grant Kornberg via Phono-L <phono-l@oldcrank.org>
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 Sent: Monday, May 2, 2016 6:30 AM
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I actually think George's prices are quite reasonable, all things considered. 
He consistently provides honest, outstanding service, and he invests in a broad 
range of inventory items, despite the fact that he may not be able to turn many 
of them over for months or in certain cases even years. 

-- Grant
 
 
 
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Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Model K/S pointer needed

Not yet. I usually try the collector network first.  George has an amazing 
array of hard-to-find parts, and I've purchased many things from him in the 
past and will again in the future, but the prices tend to be high. Of course 
when you really need something, price is less of an object.
John

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Ron L  From: Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org?] On Behalf Of John 
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Subject: [Phono-L] Model K/S pointer needed  Anyone got a pointer for a model K 
or S reproducer? The little pointer that you turn the sapphires with.  Thanks!  
John Robles   
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Re: [Phono-L] Model K/S pointer needed

[John Robles via Phono-L]

Not yet. I usually try the collector network first.  George has an amazing 
array of hard-to-find parts, and I've purchased many things from him in the 
past and will again in the future, but the prices tend to be high. Of course 
when you really need something, price is less of an object.
John

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Subject: [Phono-L] Model K/S pointer needed  Anyone got a pointer for a model K 
or S reproducer? The little pointer that you turn the sapphires with.  Thanks!  
John Robles   
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[Phono-L] Model K/S pointer needed

[John Robles via Phono-L]

Anyone got a pointer for a model K or S reproducer? The little pointer that you 
turn the sapphires with.  Thanks!
John Robles

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Re: [Phono-L] I have stopped getting the daily dose

[John Robles via Phono-L]

This is the first one I have received in a long time. Has the group been 
silent?John Robles

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I was wondering if you can check or reactivate my subscription? I stopped 
receiving my daily mailing updates...
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Re: [Phono-L] phonophan

[John Robles via Phono-L]

Is it necessary to swear? :-P


  From: Peter Fraser via Phono-L 
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Cc: Peter Fraser 
 Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2016 7:58 AM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] phonophan

I no longer have any idea WTP we are talking about here. 

Sent from my iPhone
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Easy to be that way in Phlorida...PC
From: Tim Fabrizio 
Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2016 9:31 AM
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Subject: Re: [Phono-L] phonophan I phear we've phlogged the phun out of this 
phoolishness. Phrankly, I'm phinished! TF 

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Sent: Sun, Mar 6, 2016 12:43 AM
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{margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}#yiv1654830002 Because we all would have looked 
at it as a phoolish, phrivolous phabrication of phebrile phantasy. PC
From: Phono-L  on behalf of Tim Fabrizio via 
Phono-L 
Sent: Saturday, March 5, 2016 11:03 PM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Cc: Tim Fabrizio
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] phonophan If I may depart from all this frivolity for a 
moment-- I very much appreciate Ken Brekke's words, but the fact is I came to 
the understanding a while ago that there were only so many ways you can do 
clever things with "phono" and another word. So, inevitably, different people 
are going to come up with the same idea. That's life. I probably should have 
called myself PhonoPhabrizio. Why didn't I think of this sooner!!??  TF 

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Just to clear my name, several years ago when I signed up to Fleabay, I
used Phono-Phan as a ID not knowing about Phonophan, Tim Fabrizio. I
have used it on the TMF also. When I found out about Phonophan, Tim
Fabrizio, and talked to him about it at the Union show and there wasn't
a problem. I don't know who is using his ID on Youtube.

P.S. Tim, how is the Herzog horn wood graining coming? I would love to
see how it ended up.

Ken Brekke



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Re: [Phono-L] Diamond Disc Stylus Rebuild

[John Robles via Phono-L]

Hi!
Steve Medved in Kissimmee, Florida is the number one reproducer rebuilder, and 
his prices are reasonable. I send him a lot of work and always get the 
reproducers back sounding (and in many cases looking) like new.  Send me a 
private email and I will give you his email address.
John Robles


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I have a saphire stylus for a Diamond Disk W19.  I think the saphire is worn 
down becuase it seems to cause a lot of drag when playing a record.  In anycase 
its close to 100 years old and Id like to have someone rebuild it.

Do you have recommendations where I can send the head for a rebuild and saphire 
replacement?

Thank you for the input.
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Re: [Phono-L] Server Maintenance Done

[John Robles via Phono-L]

Haha! I think it was mainly me and one other guy!

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 Yeah but it's been so much fun "listening" to everybody have a hissy fit!

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  Ya!  Not seeing the sender has been my pet peeve! John Robles

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Re: [Phono-L] Security Breach at ebay

[john robles]

This looks suspiciously like a phishing attempt or something...I have no 
notification on my ebay account about any sort of breach of security. And I am 
always afraid to click a link in an email that warns of a breach!  Anyone else 
heard about this?? Ebay would notify its members, I'm sure.
John Robles


On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 3:47 PM, Kat Hall kathal...@gmail.com wrote:
 


WARNING - SECURITY BREACH! Earlier today, eBay announced that a cyber attack 
carried out three months ago has compromised customer data, and the company 
urged 145 million users of its online commerce platform to change their 
passwords in order to protect their personal information. 

While they claim the files stolen did not contain financial information 
including credit and debit card numbers you can never be too safe so we 
strongly urge you to change your password as well if you use the site. 

Furthermore, eBay stated it found no evidence of unauthorized access to 
financial information at its PayPal payments subsidiary, which encrypts and 
stores its data separately.

These security breaches and cyber attacks seem to be happening more and more 
and it's important that you are aware of each one so as to protect yourself and 
your personal information if you use any and all affected sites and services. 

For more info see here: 
http://www.cnet.com/news/ebay-hacked-requests-all-users-change-passwords/

From the Desk of
Kat Hall
Executive Assistant to Ms. Smith (Publisher)
Champagne Book Group
Review Coordinator
Author Liaison
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[Phono-L] My membership will be deleted due to excessive bounces??

[john robles]

What the heck does that mean? Or is it some scam? 
John Robles
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Re: [Phono-L] mailing lists being killed off?

[john robles]

Where's the like button for this post??? :-)
John Robles


On Saturday, May 10, 2014 7:02 AM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@verizon.net wrote:
 
    With all the problems mailing lists are having due to a few Big
companies changing the way their servers accept mail, one has to wonder if
there is a movement to kill off mailing lists.  Web based things such as FB
can and do have all sorts of ads attached, gleaning money-money-money,
allowing the companies to get more info about us, where we go, what we
like, who we see- all to better target our pocketbooks.   Resist!! Buy
antique phonographs.  Listen to old records!!!  8-)

Ron L

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[Phono-L] Columbia Eagle Floating Reproducer Help Needed

[john robles]

Hello all
Can someone help me? I am trying to assist a 15 year old phonograph collector 
friend in the Netherlands to find a Columbia Eagle reproducer.  He has a Pathe 
1898 model, which is an exact copy of the Columbia Eagle, and I have it on 
good, or rather genius authority (Tim Fabrizio) that the Eagle reproducer 
should work for him. The Pathe reproducers are hard to find even there in 
Europe.  If I can I would like to gift it to him as I really believe in helping 
out young collectors to get a good start, so any help in finding an affordable 
one, even if not cosmetically perfect, would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
John Robles
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[Phono-L] Steve Medved Repair

[john robles]

Hello all
Just wanted to tell you (as if I had to) of the marvelous repair Steve Medved 
did on my Edison Model O reproducer.  It sounded fine from the time I got it on 
ebay, but the stem broke free from the stylus bar assembly, and it turned out 
it had been repaired before (badly).  Steve recognized the reproducer by its 
number 9he told me he records serial numbered reproducers that appear on ebay) 
and it had been auctioned by a man who told Steve that he had completely 
rebuilt it. Whoever bought it from him put it back on ebay 6 months later, 
which is when I bought it.  I suspect they did the bad repair and were trying 
to get rid of it. 
Steve took a new stem made by (Is it public knowledge, Steve?) which is just 
like the original, and made the repair, which involved much more than just 
gluing it in.  He also salvaged the original indicator knob and pointer from my 
original O and applied that to it!  He polished the diaphragm, which gleams 
like new, and made it airtight, which it was not before.

The reproducer sounds excellent, works just like new.  Thanks Steve, for 
another high quality repair.  I give you 5 stars!   
John Robles
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Re: [Phono-L] Opera Horn from Peru and Opera horn restoration

[john robles]

Nice Kenneth. I love those horns, hope to get one myself.
Sorry to hear you've been ill, Ken, I hope you are keeping a positive attitude 
because that is very important and beneficial.  I am sorry your mom had to go 
to an assisted living facility, but it is better for you not to have that 
burden of taking care of her when you really need to concentrate on taking care 
of yourself.  I hope everything works out and you are able to move closer to 
care.
Take good care
John Robles



 From: Ken aka: OnATorrent onatorr...@yahoo.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonol...@yahoogroups.com 
phonol...@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, April 4, 2014 4:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Opera Horn from Peru and Opera horn restoration
 

I have 2 of his horns from Peru, Victor smooth Oak and Edison Cygnet Oak and I 
must say we have made a friendship and we Skype from time to time to keep up.  
Other than Phono Talk we talk about family stuff and other current events.  He 
has become a friend and I know if I need another wood horn I will order from 
him once again.  Sorry that many of you have not heard from me in a very long 
time but I am sad to say my illness has progressed,  My HIV is in check but I 
lost about 45 lbs and how have home health coming in helping me 3 days a week 
and I go to the wood center twice a week.  I do read all the Phono-L posting 
and I am so sad that I missed the last Orlando show.  I was so hoping to see 
many of you and be in my environment once a again.  I have gain 8 lbs in the 
last 3 weeks and now up to 137 lbs but still to then being that I am almost 
6'1.  I am not shy about talking about this stuff as I, when healthy enough, do 
speaking about HIV/AIDS
in schools and other venues that will have me set up by the International Org. 
the AIDS Healthcare Foundation. They are now in 27 different countries and 
growing.  The new ACA has me a little worried as much of our specialized care 
for HIV in Florida is going to a general disease management company and I am 
sure care will soon start lacking. Just think of a nurse going to see one 
person for Diabetes then, Cancer, HIV, Pulmonary patents.  I think you get the 
point.  Right now I am working to get myself out of my rural mile square home 
town that is over 120 away from my Doctor and hope to move back to ether 
Orlando or the Tampa Bay area.  I only returned to this area after my father 
died and my mother had no one to depend on and even knowing this would be a 
huge risk for my health since there is almost no HIV care any where near her, I 
still did it for mom.  Now that she has been moved to an ALF I can now feel 
free to escape my Hell from living in
this rural small mined town. Moving back up north to Ill, or Wis. is only a 
dream right now but one day that will come. While being sick I did something I 
always wanted to do, that is grow out my goatee to a Handlebar Mustache and I 
must say I love it!  The waxing it takes some time but I find enjoyment even in 
that.  It looks so period style with a modern update, it makes me happy and 
when I look in the mirror, I smile.

Here is hoping everyone well wishes and just to let everyone know I am still 
about and KICKING!  Never was one to give up to easy.

Take care all,
Kenneth Keeton

Here is hopping that 


On Friday, March 28, 2014 11:25 AM, Bill Taney b...@taney.com wrote:

Anyone have or have an opinion on these Opera horns from Peru? How are they in 
terms of a repro compared to what else is available?

Also, I am wondering who is the best wizard are restoring the original horn. I 
have an Opera that came out of a farm auction in MN and the guy was quite handy 
and tried a go at fixing it. It has the original decals the rest of the horn 
has at least been lightened and reglued, maybe refinished. It’s not bad, 
actually the bell looks good from a distance, but it is splitting. The elbo he 
spray painted brown. Interestingly didn’t touch the rest of the machine, it is 
completely original and super nice. 

Thanks
Bill


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Re: [Phono-L] Interesting New Type of Crapophone

[john robles]

And the horn an back bracket are a lot better looking than the usual ones.



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To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Interesting New Type of Crapophone
 

Interesting mix of old and new parts.  At least it is billed as a replica.

Ron

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Behalf Of Vinyl Visions
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 10:20 PM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Interesting New Type of Crapophone

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Replica-Decorative-Royal-Phonograph-Faboulus
-Vintage-Wooden-Gramophone-/221402789775?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item338c
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[Phono-L] Prices on Edison and Columbia horns from Peru

[john robles]

Hello all
To continue, the Edison Cygnet and Opera horns in mahogany or oak (no elbow) 
are $710 each plus shipping.
The Victor smooth oak horn is $695 plus shipping
The Columbia mahogany horn is a very special type of horn with the veneer in 
one piece (kind of like a skirt) and is $840 plus shipping
The oak version is not available for now.
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[Phono-L] Peruvian Vic VI cabinet and horn pricing

[john robles]

Hello all
Here is the pricing info from Eduardo on the Vic VI cabinet and horn and the 
matching disc cabinets:  I'll get the pricing on the Opera horn and other horns 
later today, hopefully.
Mahogany Spear Point $710, 
The motor cabinet for Victor VI $750 (comes with all the holes if needed and 
all gold plated fittings on the columns. If additional bronze gold plated parts 
like the latch with the rear support and the crank escutcheon are needed, I 
sell those parts new for $100 and can install them. I can send 4 rubber 
supports for the motor for free).

Shipping for the horn is $75 and for the motor cabinet $110 to the US.

Record Cabients:
1) Cabinet That Matches brand, this model is taller than the second and with 
less carving parts.
2) A Herzog 820 brand, this is a replica with bronze fittings instead of carved 
wood. Very rare model, I had the chance to get in contact with a person that 
restored one of that type in the 70's.

Prices:

Cabinet 1: ( Cabinet That Matches )
Cost : $3750
Cabinet 2: ( Herzog type 820 )
Cost: $4450
Delivery cost depends on where are you locate in the USA and can be around 
$570.  If you buy 2 the shipping will increase just a little more.
We can also list it on Ebay for your safety.



 From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net
To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Opera Horn from Peru and Opera horn restoration
 

John:

I appreciate your work  interest in the products. I will be interested in your 
findings and info.

Later

Bob

-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On 
Behalf Of john robles
Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2014 11:04 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Opera Horn from Peru and Opera horn restoration

Hi Bob and everyone. I got a lot of pics form Eduardo of the cabinets and 
horns, they are outstanding.  I am creating a Photobucket link so you can check 
them out, and will also write a post about the pricing etc.
John Robles



From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net
To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Opera Horn from Peru and Opera horn restoration


John:

Thanks a lot for the link. I have been wondering about his products / cost etc.

Later

Bob

-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On 
Behalf Of john robles
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 11:36 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Opera Horn from Peru and Opera horn restoration

Here is a link to a picture of the Peruvian repro horn and Victor VI matching 
disc cabinet. This setup was for sale at the last CAPS show for $6500, as I 
recall.
http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Repro%20horn%20and%20cabinet

John



From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net
To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Opera Horn from Peru and Opera horn restoration


John:

Do you know the price of the:

Horn, Vic VI cabinet, and the matching storage cabinet?

Later

Bob

-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On 
Behalf Of John Robles
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 9:35 AM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Opera Horn from Peru and Opera horn restoration

Hi Bill
I have seen the horns from Peru, and they are superb. A friend of mine brings 
some of the items here, including the Mahogany Victor spearpoint horn and the 
Victor VI cabinet and matching record cabinet repros. I was astounded to find 
they were repros.  Out of curiosity I ordered a set of cygnet decals from the 
guy (he also makes digital decals like Glenn does) and they are amazing. He is 
a very friendly guy and is quick to respond to emails. He speaks very good 
English.  If you are considering one of those horns I would recommend them.
John Robles

 On Mar 28, 2014, at 8:09 AM, Bill Taney b...@taney.com wrote:
 
 Anyone have or have an opinion on these Opera horns from Peru? How are they 
 in terms of a repro compared to what else is available?
 
 Also, I am wondering who is the best wizard are restoring the original horn. 
 I have an Opera that came out of a farm auction in MN and the guy was quite 
 handy and tried a go at fixing it. It has the original decals the rest of the 
 horn has at least been lightened and reglued, maybe refinished. It’s not bad, 
 actually the bell looks good from a distance, but it is splitting. The elbo 
 he spray painted brown. Interestingly didn’t touch the rest of the machine, 
 it is completely original and super nice. 
 
 Thanks
 Bill
 
 
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[Phono-L] Pics of repro Vic VI cabinets and disc cabinets form Peru

[john robles]

Hello all
Here is a link to the cabinets made by Eduardo Portilla in Lima, Peru. 

http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Victor%20VI%20Repro%20Cabinets


 He is a phonograph collector of 20 years experience.  He makes the Victor VI 
machine cabinet and also two models of disc cabinet, the Cabinet that Matches 
and the rare Herzog 820 cabinet.  I have personally seen the Vic VI cabinet and 
the Cabinet that Matches model. The Cabinet that Matches models were also 
made for the Vic IV and Vic V, I don't know what others it may have been made 
for.
I am amazed at the quality of even the needle cups in the Cabinet that 
Matches model.
Enjoy the pics! I will post a separate email and link for the horns.
John Robles
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[Phono-L] Link to Repro Victor/Edison/Columbia wood horns

[john robles]

Hello All
Here is the link to the repro wood horns for Victor, Edison and Columbia. They 
show the mahogany and oak Spearpoints, the Opera and Cygnet horns in mahogany 
and oak, and the mahogany Columbia Disc Graphophone horn.

http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Repro%20Victor%20and%20Edison%20Horns


I'll get pricing listed tomorrow (3/31), I have been working on this pics and 
albums for awhile and it is 1 am now!
John Robles 
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Re: [Phono-L] Opera Horn from Peru and Opera horn restoration

[john robles]

Hi Bob and everyone. I got a lot of pics form Eduardo of the cabinets and 
horns, they are outstanding.  I am creating a Photobucket link so you can check 
them out, and will also write a post about the pricing etc.
John Robles



 From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net
To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Opera Horn from Peru and Opera horn restoration
 

John:

Thanks a lot for the link. I have been wondering about his products / cost etc.

Later

Bob

-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On 
Behalf Of john robles
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 11:36 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Opera Horn from Peru and Opera horn restoration

Here is a link to a picture of the Peruvian repro horn and Victor VI matching 
disc cabinet. This setup was for sale at the last CAPS show for $6500, as I 
recall.
http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Repro%20horn%20and%20cabinet

John



From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net
To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Opera Horn from Peru and Opera horn restoration


John:

Do you know the price of the:

Horn, Vic VI cabinet, and the matching storage cabinet?

Later

Bob

-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On 
Behalf Of John Robles
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 9:35 AM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Opera Horn from Peru and Opera horn restoration

Hi Bill
I have seen the horns from Peru, and they are superb. A friend of mine brings 
some of the items here, including the Mahogany Victor spearpoint horn and the 
Victor VI cabinet and matching record cabinet repros. I was astounded to find 
they were repros.  Out of curiosity I ordered a set of cygnet decals from the 
guy (he also makes digital decals like Glenn does) and they are amazing. He is 
a very friendly guy and is quick to respond to emails. He speaks very good 
English.  If you are considering one of those horns I would recommend them.
John Robles

 On Mar 28, 2014, at 8:09 AM, Bill Taney b...@taney.com wrote:
 
 Anyone have or have an opinion on these Opera horns from Peru? How are they 
 in terms of a repro compared to what else is available?
 
 Also, I am wondering who is the best wizard are restoring the original horn. 
 I have an Opera that came out of a farm auction in MN and the guy was quite 
 handy and tried a go at fixing it. It has the original decals the rest of the 
 horn has at least been lightened and reglued, maybe refinished. It’s not bad, 
 actually the bell looks good from a distance, but it is splitting. The elbo 
 he spray painted brown. Interestingly didn’t touch the rest of the machine, 
 it is completely original and super nice. 
 
 Thanks
 Bill
 
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Opera Horn from Peru and Opera horn restoration

[John Robles]

Hi Bill
I have seen the horns from Peru, and they are superb. A friend of mine brings 
some of the items here, including the Mahogany Victor spearpoint horn and the 
Victor VI cabinet and matching record cabinet repros. I was astounded to find 
they were repros.  Out of curiosity I ordered a set of cygnet decals from the 
guy (he also makes digital decals like Glenn does) and they are amazing. He is 
a very friendly guy and is quick to respond to emails. He speaks very good 
English.  If you are considering one of those horns I would recommend them.
John Robles

 On Mar 28, 2014, at 8:09 AM, Bill Taney b...@taney.com wrote:
 
 Anyone have or have an opinion on these Opera horns from Peru? How are they 
 in terms of a repro compared to what else is available?
 
 Also, I am wondering who is the best wizard are restoring the original horn. 
 I have an Opera that came out of a farm auction in MN and the guy was quite 
 handy and tried a go at fixing it. It has the original decals the rest of the 
 horn has at least been lightened and reglued, maybe refinished. It’s not bad, 
 actually the bell looks good from a distance, but it is splitting. The elbo 
 he spray painted brown. Interestingly didn’t touch the rest of the machine, 
 it is completely original and super nice. 
 
 Thanks
 Bill
 
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Opera Horn from Peru and Opera horn restoration

[john robles]

I'll try and find it, and the pics I have too.



 From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net
To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Opera Horn from Peru and Opera horn restoration
 

John:

Do you know the price of the:

Horn, Vic VI cabinet, and the matching storage cabinet?

Later

Bob

-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On 
Behalf Of John Robles
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 9:35 AM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Opera Horn from Peru and Opera horn restoration

Hi Bill
I have seen the horns from Peru, and they are superb. A friend of mine brings 
some of the items here, including the Mahogany Victor spearpoint horn and the 
Victor VI cabinet and matching record cabinet repros. I was astounded to find 
they were repros.  Out of curiosity I ordered a set of cygnet decals from the 
guy (he also makes digital decals like Glenn does) and they are amazing. He is 
a very friendly guy and is quick to respond to emails. He speaks very good 
English.  If you are considering one of those horns I would recommend them.
John Robles

 On Mar 28, 2014, at 8:09 AM, Bill Taney b...@taney.com wrote:
 
 Anyone have or have an opinion on these Opera horns from Peru? How are they 
 in terms of a repro compared to what else is available?
 
 Also, I am wondering who is the best wizard are restoring the original horn. 
 I have an Opera that came out of a farm auction in MN and the guy was quite 
 handy and tried a go at fixing it. It has the original decals the rest of the 
 horn has at least been lightened and reglued, maybe refinished. It’s not bad, 
 actually the bell looks good from a distance, but it is splitting. The elbo 
 he spray painted brown. Interestingly didn’t touch the rest of the machine, 
 it is completely original and super nice. 
 
 Thanks
 Bill
 
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Sat. Night Chat

[john robles]

I thought maybe the list was dead or something! I've tried to post a couple of 
things and I get a rejection notice. Have I been black balled? :-)
John Robles





 From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@verizon.net
To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com; 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2014 6:15 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Sat. Night Chat
 

It would appear that the chat page is down tonight.   Rats.    It has been
fairly quiet of late on the chat but it is still fun to chat with other
collectors.

Ron L

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Re: [Phono-L] Edison model C question / identification?

[john robles]

Sounds like it is. An ICS model C would have the speed control knob above the 
bedpalte. Are there holes on the straight edge for the repeating device??
John Robles





 From: David Dazer dda...@sbcglobal.net
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 1:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison model C question / identification?
 

It is not an ICS model is it?
Dave



From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net
To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2014 11:38 AM
Subject: [Phono-L] Edison model C question / identification?
  

Listers:



Obtained what I thought was a run of the mill Edison Standard Model C
however, when it arrived via USPS, found some interesting features.



It is in the gunk tank, so can't go look at the moment but:



It looks like a regular Edison Standard when looking at the case. The ID
plate indicates it is a model C ( don't recall if it says Standard): no
gate: has what I would call an early model speed control knob at the left
front of the bed-plate: has what I think is a factory shaver  ( thumb
button on the right) built on the cast part of the bed plate which the
carriage rides across: normal run of the mill Edison model C reproducer.



Likely should have been trashed however, you know the drill. Rusty /
corroded everything is frozen etc.



Any thoughts: What page may this be on in the FROW book?



Thanks



Later



Bob

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[Phono-L] When the obvious isn't so obvious

[john robles]

Hello all
Ever have one of those Duuuh moments?  I thought I would share one of mine.  
I purchased an Edison model O reproducer on ebay several months back, at what I 
thought was a bargain price of $400.  It has the late domed top, and the pot 
metal is stable, no sanding necessary.  Sadly, the stem came loose to the point 
that it would not turn the stylus bars over, and finally it came out. I wrote 
to Steve Medved about it, who I sent photos to, and he informed me that I am 
the victim of a bad previous repair job.  Luckily it is repairable.  So since I 
will be having to send it off to him, I will have nothing to play cylinders on 
during that period, and to tell the truth, not being able to play records makes 
me a little panicky!. So I decided to get a reducer ring for the top mount 
carriage and borrow a model K from someone or buy one as inexpensively as 
possible (anyone got one??).
So here's the Duuuh part. I wrote to George Vollema about getting a ring, and 
he told me he'd see what he has on Monday. Meanwhile, I was trying to post an 
ad here to sell an original Fireside carriage, but my email to Phono-L was 
rejected for some reason. This morning I went to place the ad again. Suddenly I 
thought..umm. why am I buying a reducer ring when I have the original Fireside 
carriage? Dh..
Maybe the Phono-L gods were trying to tell me something...
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Re: [Phono-L] Sat. Night Chat

[john robles]

Wierd stuff going on.





 From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net
To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sat. Night Chat
 

John:

I was wondering myself, as I posted my inquiry early yesterday morning and
as of last night, no responding posts. This morning I have a few and if I am
premature in this response, I am moving up the inbox to read the real-time
sequence.

later

Bob

-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of john robles
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 5:45 AM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sat. Night Chat

I thought maybe the list was dead or something! I've tried to post a couple
of things and I get a rejection notice. Have I been black balled? :-)
John Robles





From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@verizon.net
To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com; 'Antique Phonograph List'
phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2014 6:15 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Sat. Night Chat


It would appear that the chat page is down tonight.   Rats.    It has been
fairly quiet of late on the chat but it is still fun to chat with other
collectors.

Ron L

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Re: [Phono-L] Just in time for Christmas... Edison Phonograph No.6

[john robles]

I noticed that, but the other posting exhausted me too much! :)





 From: Glenn Longwell majesticrec...@snet.net
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 8:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Just in time for Christmas... Edison Phonograph No.6
 

No one has mentioned his other item up for bid - Phonograph Victory

It's a VV-IX for only $750.

Glenn



www.majesticrecord.com



From: zonophone2...@aol.com zonophone2...@aol.com
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 5:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Just in time for Christmas... Edison Phonograph No.6


that is very rare
maybe the smithsonian has a place for it







-Original Message-
From: clockworkhome clockworkh...@aol.com
To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Mon, Dec 23, 2013 5:04 pm
Subject: [Phono-L] Just in time for Christmas...  Edison Phonograph No.6



Seasons Greetings:
For only $1,000 you can own an Edison Phonograph No.6 now on eBay!  How some 
sellers can offer things without knowing a thing about them is beyond me.  This 
Amberola 30 has the very rare 'oil spout funnel' horn.  It would be funny but 
this seller really thinks the thing is worth the $1,000 opening bid.  If 
someone 
bites then I will be truly astounded.  See eBay item # 281232163262
Merry Christmas to all, may you find something with a crank handle under the 
tree,
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Re: [Phono-L] Fw: Phono-L Digest, Vol 10, Issue 267

[john robles]

I have to admit I can rarely resist writing these people. I always approach it 
from the standpoint of sharing knowledge.  If they have something that is a 
piece of junk and they are representing it as something else, I tell them I'm 
not sure who told you it was a  but that was inaccurate.  I hope you 
didn't have to pay too much for it. Thankfully, the vast majority o people I 
have contacted have thanked me for my input, and many have changed their 
auctions to mroe accurately represent the item. First I check their other 
items, and if they are not phonograph related items, I figure they just don't 
know what they have.  Although one time the guy I gently corrected got all mad 
and told me if I didn't butt out he would contact eBay and report me.  Which 
indicated to me that he was angry that someone knew what he was selling was 
fraudulent.  My aim is not to shame the seller, but to protect any potential 
buyers that haven't got the knowledge to
 know they may be bidding on something fraudulent or damaged or that is not 
original..
John Robles





 From: Burdette Walters burdettewalt...@yahoo.com
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 12:30 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Fw: Phono-L Digest, Vol 10, Issue 267
 



I have found that if you try NICElY to tell these people about the 
instrument they have, they consider it an insult from someone that doesn't 
have a clueLOL


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   1. Just in time for Christmas...  Edison Phonograph No.6
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   2. Re: Just in time for Christmas... Edison Phonograph No.6
      (harvey kravitz)
   3. Re: Just in time for Christmas... Edison Phonograph No.6
      (zonophone2...@aol.com)
   4. Re: Just in time for Christmas... Edison Phonograph No.6
      (Glenn Longwell)
   5. Re: Just in time for Christmas... Edison Phonograph No.6
      (john robles)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 16:49:10 -0500 (EST)
From: clockworkh...@aol.com
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Just in time for Christmas...  Edison Phonograph
    No.6
Message-ID: 8d0ce3ff2719fbc-e94-3a...@webmail-m255.sysops.aol.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii


Seasons Greetings:
For only $1,000 you can own an Edison Phonograph No.6 now on eBay!  How some 
sellers can offer things without knowing a thing about them is beyond me.  This 
Amberola 30 has the very rare 'oil spout funnel' horn.  It would be funny but 
this seller really thinks the thing is worth the $1,000 opening bid.  If 
someone bites then I will be truly astounded.  See eBay item # 281232163262
Merry Christmas to all, may you find something with a crank handle under the 
tree,
Al
  


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Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 15:01:56 -0800 (PST)
From: harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Just in time for Christmas... Edison Phonograph
    No.6
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

That was posted on another forum. A real piece of crap. For this price, I think 
the seller is smoking crack.
Harvey Kravitz





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clockworkh...@aol.com wrote:


Seasons Greetings:
For only $1,000 you can own an Edison Phonograph No.6 now on eBay!? How some 
sellers can offer things without knowing a thing about them is beyond me.? This 
Amberola 30 has the very rare 'oil spout funnel' horn.? It would be funny but 
this seller really thinks the thing is worth the $1,000 opening bid.? If 
someone bites then I will be truly astounded.? See eBay item # 281232163262
Merry Christmas to all, may you find something with a crank handle under the 
tree,
Al

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Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 05:31:03 -0500 (EST)
From: zonophone2...@aol.com
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Just in time for Christmas... Edison Phonograph
    No.6
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[Phono-L] NOS? Give me a break.

[john robles]

The seller of this item on ebay is claiming it is new old stock. Give me a 
break. Take a look at it. The box is missing its original sealing tape; the 
cotton batting is not wrapped around the reproducer and apparently hasn't been 
for some time, and the stylus bar is detached from the link and the weight is 
detached from the limit loop. Hardly new and unused. more like opened and 
damaged.
John Robles

Edison20recorder20reproducer20Edison20record20reproducer20in20the20box20NOS 
http://r.ebay.com/tWztmZ
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Re: [Phono-L] NOS? Give me a break.

[john robles]

And someone pointed out to me it is in a recorder box!!





 From: Scott and Denise Corbett sdcorb...@earthlink.net
To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] NOS? Give me a break.
 

But John, it's a SUPER RARE recorder/reproducer! ;)  It looks like someone
DID give it a break.

-Scott Corbett

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From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of john robles
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 8:37 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: [Phono-L] NOS? Give me a break.

The seller of this item on ebay is claiming it is new old stock. Give me a
break. Take a look at it. The box is missing its original sealing tape; the
cotton batting is not wrapped around the reproducer and apparently hasn't
been for some time, and the stylus bar is detached from the link and the
weight is detached from the limit loop. Hardly new and unused. more like
opened and damaged.
John Robles

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Re: [Phono-L] Opera like cabinet for A1 mechanism

[john robles]

Steve, I know a guy in Peru who builds exact replica Victor VI cabinets and 
record cabinets, he might do it, but as others have pointed out it may not be 
cheap. I think it would be less than here for sure, but shipping may take a big 
bite.  Let me know if you want his info.
John Robles





 From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonol...@yahoogroups.com 
phonol...@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 4:24 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Opera like cabinet for A1 mechanism
 

Hello,

Does anyone know a person who could build a cabinet that would fit an A1 
mechanism so they could have a 2/4 Opera?

Steve
                          
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Re: [Phono-L] Searching for 4m Amberol 682

[john robles]

Hi Glenn. A dear friend of mine is Kellerman's great great grandson, so I 
wanted to paly it for him.. I have downloaded the mp3 file and put it on a 
flash drive for him, but there is something cool about seeing someone's face 
when you play a cylinder of their ancestor!





 From: Glenn Longwell majesticrec...@snet.net
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2013 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Searching for 4m Amberol 682
 

Sorry, don't have the cylinder but did find the record at an estate sale once.  
It has lamination cracks and was unplayable but bought it anyway.  The reason 
is because I worked with a guy who's related to him and by chance he mentioned 
it to me one day.  So when I saw it I had to buy it.  I sent it to him to frame 
and put it next to a picture of Kellerman he had.  I believe that was one of 
only two recordings he made commercially.  Has anyone seen a copy of 50067 
before?  I was under the impression when I looked it up that this was rejected 
for commercial release on DD so thought that what I found might have been a 
test pressing.

Glenn


www.majesticrecord.com



From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2013 2:41 AM
Subject: [Phono-L] Searching for 4m Amberol 682


Can anyone hook me up with Edison Wax Amberol 682, Danny Deever, sung by Marcus 
Kellerman?  He also sang it on Edison Diamond Disc 50067. But since I don't 
have a DD machine at the moment, I much prefer the cylinder.
Thanks!
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Re: [Phono-L] Searching for 4m Amberol 682

[john robles]

Hi Dan.  I got the download, thanks.  I am searching for the record because I 
look forward to seeing my friend's face when I play the cylinder and his great 
great grandfather's voice comes out of the horn!





 From: DanKj ediso...@verizon.net
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2013 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Searching for 4m Amberol 682
 

The discographies do say that it was finally rejected, so that must've been 
either a test or pressed just for demonstration purposes.

I've got an mp3 of the cylinder - it was played on Thomas Edison's Attic in 
2006.

https://app.box.com/s/6bz4xdfqyr4xrhlkbc4n


- Original Message - From: Glenn Longwell

Sorry, don't have the cylinder but did find the record at an estate sale once. 
It has lamination cracks and was unplayable but bought it anyway. The reason is 
because I worked with a guy who's related to him and by chance he mentioned it 
to me one day. So when I saw it I had to buy it. I sent it to him to frame and 
put it next to a picture of Kellerman he had. I believe that was one of only 
two recordings he made commercially. Has anyone seen a copy of 50067 before? I 
was under the impression when I looked it up that this was rejected for 
commercial release on DD so thought that what I found might have been a test 
pressing.



From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net


Can anyone hook me up with Edison Wax Amberol 682, Danny Deever, sung by Marcus 
Kellerman? He also sang it on Edison Diamond Disc 50067. But since I don't have 
a DD machine at the moment, I much prefer the cylinder.

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[Phono-L] Searching for 4m Amberol 682

[john robles]

Can anyone hook me up with Edison Wax Amberol 682, Danny Deever, sung by Marcus 
Kellerman?  He also sang it on Edison Diamond Disc 50067. But since I don't 
have a DD machine at the moment, I much prefer the cylinder.
Thanks!
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Re: [Phono-L] Reproducer top wanted

[John Robles]

I would think around 50.00. I haven't bought one in awhile.  Last time I paid 
45, a few years ago.
Thanks
J

 On Oct 29, 2013, at 5:33 AM, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote:
 
 What does the carrige sell for?  I believe I have an extra.
 
 
 
 Steve
 
 
 Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 19:37:21 -0700
 From: john9...@pacbell.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Reproducer top wanted
 
 Great info Steve, as always! You are a credit to this group.
 If anyone has a nice spare Fireside top mount carriage, I am in the market.
 Thanks
 John
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com
 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
 Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 10:00 AM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Reproducer top wanted
 
 
 The chips can be repaired, normally the chips are in the front and back 
 where people tried to pry the reproducer out of the carriage.
 
 JB weld or a similar epoxy, I use steel putty, returns the top shape to 
 round and a chrome paint makes it match a bit better.  I use a large 
 carriage broken in half courtesy of UPS to as a jig to fix the chips.  You 
 put Saran Wrap on the carriage so the epoxy will not stick to the carriage 
 and put the Saran Wrap on the top of the epoxy to smooth the repair.  
 
 This is something an average person can do, I am not that dexterous. With 
 Swiss files you can match the rim on the late dome tops and smooth the area 
 to match on the flat top.  I am certain John could match the missing letters 
 and sign his name on the side, but I am not that good.
 
 Ron Sitko is having new tops made, he estimates around $75 for each one.  
 
 Some people do not realize the O N R and S all have the same top, the serial 
 number is the only way you can ID the difference between the ON and the RS 
 tops.  The N-56 has RS serial numbers as the N-56 was made from RS tops 
 when the RS were obsolete.  
 
 The N-56 appeared around 70,000 in the ON serial numbers and around 31,000 
 in the RS serial numbers.
 
 An unscrupulous seller recently took an R top and this allowed him to sell a 
 cobbled O for $750.00.  I wonder how these money grubbers sleep, very well 
 on their mattress stuffed with money I guess.
 
 Using micarta and a hammer frozen tops come out of the carriage easily and 
 without damage.  You want to remove the weight first and tap one side then 
 the other seeing how far it moves each time by looking at the top of the 
 top.  
 
 Steve
 
 Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 04:06:17 -0700
 From: john9...@pacbell.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: [Phono-L] Reproducer top wanted
 
 Hello all
 Anybody got a decent top for a model O reproducer? Same top as used on 
 models R and S.  I am trying to improve on the O that I recently obtained, 
 and the top has two chips in it.
 Thanks
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Re: [Phono-L] Reproducer top wanted

[john robles]

Well now that I threw my opinion on price far and wide, what do the rest of you 
think? Is $50 a fair price for a Fireside top mount carriage?
John Robles





 From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 5:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Reproducer top wanted
 

What does the carrige sell for?  I believe I have an extra.



Steve


 Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 19:37:21 -0700
 From: john9...@pacbell.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Reproducer top wanted
 
 Great info Steve, as always! You are a credit to this group.
 If anyone has a nice spare Fireside top mount carriage, I am in the market.
 Thanks
 John
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com
 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
 Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 10:00 AM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Reproducer top wanted
 
 
 The chips can be repaired, normally the chips are in the front and back where 
 people tried to pry the reproducer out of the carriage.
 
 JB weld or a similar epoxy, I use steel putty, returns the top shape to round 
 and a chrome paint makes it match a bit better.  I use a large carriage 
 broken in half courtesy of UPS to as a jig to fix the chips.  You put Saran 
 Wrap on the carriage so the epoxy will not stick to the carriage and put the 
 Saran Wrap on the top of the epoxy to smooth the repair.  
 
 This is something an average person can do, I am not that dexterous. With 
 Swiss files you can match the rim on the late dome tops and smooth the area 
 to match on the flat top.  I am certain John could match the missing letters 
 and sign his name on the side, but I am not that good.
 
 Ron Sitko is having new tops made, he estimates around $75 for each one.  
 
 Some people do not realize the O N R and S all have the same top, the serial 
 number is the only way you can ID the difference between the ON and the RS 
 tops.  The N-56 has RS serial numbers as the N-56 was made from RS tops 
 when the RS were obsolete.  
 
 The N-56 appeared around 70,000 in the ON serial numbers and around 31,000 
 in the RS serial numbers.
 
 An unscrupulous seller recently took an R top and this allowed him to sell a 
 cobbled O for $750.00.  I wonder how these money grubbers sleep, very well on 
 their mattress stuffed with money I guess.
 
 Using micarta and a hammer frozen tops come out of the carriage easily and 
 without damage.  You want to remove the weight first and tap one side then 
 the other seeing how far it moves each time by looking at the top of the top. 
  
 
 Steve
 
  Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 04:06:17 -0700
  From: john9...@pacbell.net
  To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Subject: [Phono-L] Reproducer top wanted
  
  Hello all
  Anybody got a decent top for a model O reproducer? Same top as used on 
  models R and S.  I am trying to improve on the O that I recently obtained, 
  and the top has two chips in it.
  Thanks
  John
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Re: [Phono-L] Reproducer top wanted

[john robles]

Sorry, thought that was a private email.





 From: John Robles john9...@pacbell.net
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 6:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Reproducer top wanted
 

I would think around 50.00. I haven't bought one in awhile.  Last time I paid 
45, a few years ago.
Thanks
J

 On Oct 29, 2013, at 5:33 AM, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote:
 
 What does the carrige sell for?  I believe I have an extra.
 
 
 
 Steve
 
 
 Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 19:37:21 -0700
 From: john9...@pacbell.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Reproducer top wanted
 
 Great info Steve, as always! You are a credit to this group.
 If anyone has a nice spare Fireside top mount carriage, I am in the market.
 Thanks
 John
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com
 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
 Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 10:00 AM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Reproducer top wanted
 
 
 The chips can be repaired, normally the chips are in the front and back 
 where people tried to pry the reproducer out of the carriage.
 
 JB weld or a similar epoxy, I use steel putty, returns the top shape to 
 round and a chrome paint makes it match a bit better.  I use a large 
 carriage broken in half courtesy of UPS to as a jig to fix the chips.  You 
 put Saran Wrap on the carriage so the epoxy will not stick to the carriage 
 and put the Saran Wrap on the top of the epoxy to smooth the repair.  
 
 This is something an average person can do, I am not that dexterous. With 
 Swiss files you can match the rim on the late dome tops and smooth the area 
 to match on the flat top.  I am certain John could match the missing letters 
 and sign his name on the side, but I am not that good.
 
 Ron Sitko is having new tops made, he estimates around $75 for each one.  
 
 Some people do not realize the O N R and S all have the same top, the serial 
 number is the only way you can ID the difference between the ON and the RS 
 tops.  The N-56 has RS serial numbers as the N-56 was made from RS tops 
 when the RS were obsolete.  
 
 The N-56 appeared around 70,000 in the ON serial numbers and around 31,000 
 in the RS serial numbers.
 
 An unscrupulous seller recently took an R top and this allowed him to sell a 
 cobbled O for $750.00.  I wonder how these money grubbers sleep, very well 
 on their mattress stuffed with money I guess.
 
 Using micarta and a hammer frozen tops come out of the carriage easily and 
 without damage.  You want to remove the weight first and tap one side then 
 the other seeing how far it moves each time by looking at the top of the 
 top.  
 
 Steve
 
 Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 04:06:17 -0700
 From: john9...@pacbell.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: [Phono-L] Reproducer top wanted
 
 Hello all
 Anybody got a decent top for a model O reproducer? Same top as used on 
 models R and S.  I am trying to improve on the O that I recently obtained, 
 and the top has two chips in it.
 Thanks
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[Phono-L] Reproducer top wanted

[john robles]

Hello all
Anybody got a decent top for a model O reproducer? Same top as used on models R 
and S.  I am trying to improve on the O that I recently obtained, and the top 
has two chips in it.
Thanks
John
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Re: [Phono-L] Reproducer top wanted

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PS I would be willing to have one of the reproduction Model O tops also.
Thanks
John





 From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net
To: phonolist phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 4:06 AM
Subject: [Phono-L] Reproducer top wanted
 

Hello all
Anybody got a decent top for a model O reproducer? Same top as used on models R 
and S.  I am trying to improve on the O that I recently obtained, and the top 
has two chips in it.
Thanks
John
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Re: [Phono-L] Reproducer top wanted

[john robles]

Great info Steve, as always! You are a credit to this group.
If anyone has a nice spare Fireside top mount carriage, I am in the market.
Thanks
John





 From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Reproducer top wanted
 

The chips can be repaired, normally the chips are in the front and back where 
people tried to pry the reproducer out of the carriage.

JB weld or a similar epoxy, I use steel putty, returns the top shape to round 
and a chrome paint makes it match a bit better.  I use a large carriage broken 
in half courtesy of UPS to as a jig to fix the chips.  You put Saran Wrap on 
the carriage so the epoxy will not stick to the carriage and put the Saran Wrap 
on the top of the epoxy to smooth the repair.  

This is something an average person can do, I am not that dexterous. With Swiss 
files you can match the rim on the late dome tops and smooth the area to match 
on the flat top.  I am certain John could match the missing letters and sign 
his name on the side, but I am not that good.

Ron Sitko is having new tops made, he estimates around $75 for each one.  

Some people do not realize the O N R and S all have the same top, the serial 
number is the only way you can ID the difference between the ON and the RS 
tops.  The N-56 has RS serial numbers as the N-56 was made from RS tops when 
the RS were obsolete.  

The N-56 appeared around 70,000 in the ON serial numbers and around 31,000 in 
the RS serial numbers.

An unscrupulous seller recently took an R top and this allowed him to sell a 
cobbled O for $750.00.  I wonder how these money grubbers sleep, very well on 
their mattress stuffed with money I guess.

Using micarta and a hammer frozen tops come out of the carriage easily and 
without damage.  You want to remove the weight first and tap one side then the 
other seeing how far it moves each time by looking at the top of the top.  

Steve

 Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 04:06:17 -0700
 From: john9...@pacbell.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: [Phono-L] Reproducer top wanted
 
 Hello all
 Anybody got a decent top for a model O reproducer? Same top as used on models 
 R and S.  I am trying to improve on the O that I recently obtained, and the 
 top has two chips in it.
 Thanks
 John
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[Phono-L] Anyone got top housing of a Diamond B?

[john robles]

Hello all
I am looking for a good top housing of a Diamond B reproducer. I have one that 
is swollen to the point where the diaphragm retaining ring falls to the bottom 
of the housing and will not engage threads. I didn't know when I got it that 
the ring was held in because it was wrapped with Scotch tape and jammed into 
the housing. Leads appreciated.

John Robles
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Re: [Phono-L] Anyone got top housing of a Diamond B?

[John Robles]

Hi Ron
I tried that but it would take a lot of tape. The opening is swelled up too 
much.
John

 On Oct 23, 2013, at 7:31 AM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@verizon.net wrote:
 
 As a rescue method, maybe you could wrap the ring with teflon plumber's tape
 a couple of times.  Once in place, excess tape could be trimmed off.
 
 Ron L
 
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 From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
 Behalf Of john robles
 Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 2:09 AM
 To: phonolist
 Subject: [Phono-L] Anyone got top housing of a Diamond B?
 
 Hello all
 I am looking for a good top housing of a Diamond B reproducer. I have one
 that is swollen to the point where the diaphragm retaining ring falls to the
 bottom of the housing and will not engage threads. I didn't know when I got
 it that the ring was held in because it was wrapped with Scotch tape and
 jammed into the housing. Leads appreciated.
 
 John Robles
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[Phono-L] Rare Victrola Found!

[john robles]

Hello all
I realize that I have not posted on my latest find.  I saw an ad for a local 
estate sale that included a Victrola.   I checked out the photo and I knew it 
was not a common one.  It was not
 the classic Victrola with the deeply carved corners and nickel 
plating.  It had more strict, straight lines and no curves.  The veneer 
on the front was in a V shaped grain pattern, and the cabinet on the 
whole looked almost more like a British made cabinet.
I called the sale coordinator to ask the price, and she said she would have it 
later in that same day.  She never called back, and I left messages to no 
avail.  So last Sunday morning (10/5) I drove the hour to Simi Valley, where 
the sale was taking place.  My partner and I joined a line of about 30 people 
and waited to get in.  When they opened the house and garage doors, I saw it at 
the back of the garage. They were only letting 25 people at a time in, and 
luckily I was number 25.  I went in and checked it out, and then had my partner 
wait with it while I went into the house to find the coordinator and ask price. 
 While in the house I spotted another high profile collector and my heart sank. 
 I thought I would have to go home empty handed.  He greeted me, and told me 
that the price was too retail for him (he purchases for resale) and my hope was 
restored!  I found the coordinator and asked the price. She told me, and 
keeping in mind that she
 said the house was sold and everything had to go that day, I counter offered 
with the highest figure I could pay (which was $200 less than the asking 
price).  She countered with a figure that was $50 higher than my offer, and I 
accepted.  Luckily my partner had a $20 bill on him or I would not have been 
able to buy it!.  We loaded it up and made the drive home, very carefully!
On to the phonograph - it was a Victrola 350, made in mid 1924 and discontinued 
in early 1925.  It was made to appeal to the more affluent, as its design and 
gold plating indicates, and it came with a full set of albums (missing from 
this one). From the Victor Data Book it appears that only 878 were made, with 
serial number starting at 501.  This example is number 802, indicating that it 
is the 301st manufactured.  It was exciting to hear from Bob Baumbach that he 
has only seen one other of these machines.
Here is a link to the photos.
http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Victrola%20350
John Robles
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Re: [Phono-L] Rare Victrola Found!

[john robles]

I'd like to know what it is Rick! Can you upload pics of yours?





 From: rick phonofo...@aol.com
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 6:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Rare Victrola Found!
 

I have a VV-350 too John. They are nice machines. I don't remember the serial 
number on  mine, but I can find out.



-Original Message-
From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net
To: phonolist phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Thu, Oct 10, 2013 5:07 am
Subject: [Phono-L] Rare Victrola Found!


Hello all
realize that I have not posted on my latest find.  I saw an ad for a local 
state sale that included a Victrola.   I checked out the photo and I knew it 
as not a common one.  It was not
the classic Victrola with the deeply carved corners and nickel 
lating.  It had more strict, straight lines and no curves.  The veneer 
n the front was in a V shaped grain pattern, and the cabinet on the 
hole looked almost more like a British made cabinet.
called the sale coordinator to ask the price, and she said she would have it 
ater in that same day.  She never called back, and I left messages to no 
vail.  So last Sunday morning (10/5) I drove the hour to Simi Valley, where the 
ale was taking place.  My partner and I joined a line of about 30 people and 
aited to get in.  When they opened the house and garage doors, I saw it at the 
ack of the garage. They were only letting 25 people at a time in, and luckily I 
as number 25.  I went in and checked it out, and then had my partner wait with 
t while I went into the house to find the coordinator and ask price.  While in 
he house I spotted another high profile collector and my heart sank.  I thought 
would have to go home empty handed.  He greeted me, and told me that the price 
as too retail for him (he purchases for resale) and my hope was restored!  I 
ound the coordinator and asked the price. She told me, and keeping in mind that 
he
said the house was sold and everything had to go that day, I counter offered 
ith the highest figure I could pay (which was $200 less than the asking 
rice).  She countered with a figure that was $50 higher than my offer, and I 
ccepted.  Luckily my partner had a $20 bill on him or I would not have been 
ble to buy it!.  We loaded it up and made the drive home, very carefully!
n to the phonograph - it was a Victrola 350, made in mid 1924 and discontinued 
n early 1925.  It was made to appeal to the more affluent, as its design and 
old plating indicates, and it came with a full set of albums (missing from this 
ne). From the Victor Data Book it appears that only 878 were made, with serial 
umber starting at 501.  This example is number 802, indicating that it is the 
01st manufactured.  It was exciting to hear from Bob Baumbach that he has only 
een one other of these machines.
ere is a link to the photos.
ttp://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Victrola%20350
ohn Robles
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Re: [Phono-L] PDF attachment

[john robles]

I was able to open it.
John





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To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com phonol...@yahoogroups.com 
Cc: Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] PDF attachment
 

I completely forgot that you can't send attachments through the list. Please 
email me off list and I will be happy to send the PDF to you.

Thank you,
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[Phono-L] Looking for cygnet crane

[john robles]

Hello all
Anyone got an original cygnet crane available?
Thanks
John Robles
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Re: [Phono-L] Looking for cygnet crane

[john robles]

Hi
It is for a Fireside with ten panel cygnet.
Thanks
John





 From: Tim Fabrizio phonop...@aol.com
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 6:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking for cygnet crane
 


I have original Cygnet cranes for sale, John. If you haven't already found one, 
just let me know the type of machine it has to fit.

Tim Fabrizio
phonophan
PO Box 747 
Henrietta, NY 14467

TEL 585 244 5546
Web site: www.phonophan.com


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From: Zonophone2006 zonophone2...@aol.com
To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Sun, Sep 22, 2013 7:11 am
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking for cygnet crane


HI JOHN    
you might check with george vollema
or the one is california too
i am sure there will be some at wayne nj next month too 
if you come to it
zono


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Hello  all
Anyone got an original cygnet crane available?
Thanks
John  Robles
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Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Viva-Tonal 810 Photo Needed

[john robles]

Thanks for the link to the iBook, Bob, just bought it!
John Robles





 From: RBaumbach phonol...@mac.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Viva-Tonal 810 Photo Needed
 

I have attached a color image of the Columbia 810.  BTW, this image, along with 
a number of other color images, is in the new edition of the Columbia 
Phonograph Companion - Volume II.  There is more information about the new 
edition here:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/book/columbia-phonograph-companion/id658141249?mt=11




Robert Baumbach

On Sep 22, 2013, at 12:09 PM, Jim Cartwright jim...@earthlink.net wrote:

 In collecting antique phonographs, I like to obtain twins, that is similar
 but not identical models.    Some years ago I obtained a Viva-Tonal 800
 which not too long ago was sonically restored using information 
 suggestions  provided by Anthony Sinclair carried out by local antique
 phonograph repairman, Jeff Cecil  now gives excellent performance.   So I
 was please to pick up its twin, the Viva-Tonal 810 at an antique mall
 yesterday.    However, the 810 has been stripped  is bereft of its original
 different color wood staining of different sections of the front doors,
 floral design above the doors, etc.  I want to have its original appearance
 restored.    The Viva-Tonal 810 came with a 1927 ad that gives some idea of
 how it originally looked as does the black-and-white illustration in
 Baumbach's The Columbia Phonograph Companion - Volume II.    However, what
 is needed to facilitate restoration of the decorative details is a clear
 color image of the Vival-Tonal 810.    Can anyone provide such?
 
 
 
 Many thanks for any help any of you may provide! 
 
 
 
 
 
 Jim Cartwright
 
 IMMORTAL PERFORMANCES, INC
 
 Austin's Eclectic Used Record Store Since 1971
 
 1404 West 30th Street    Austin, Texas 78703-1402 USA
 
 (512) 478-9954    E-mail: jim...@earthlink.net
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Viva-Tonal 810 Photo Needed

[john robles]

Yo can't attach images to email coming to the board, you have to use 
Photobucket or some other photo host and include a link to it.  If you don't 
have photobucket you can send me the link via email and I'll upload it to mine 
for everyone. Or email the pic directly to Jim.
John





 From: RBaumbach phonol...@mac.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Viva-Tonal 810 Photo Needed
 

I see that the image did not come through, so it was probably too large.  Here 
is a second attempt with a smaller file.



On Sep 22, 2013, at 1:09 PM, RBaumbach phonol...@mac.com wrote:

 I have attached a color image of the Columbia 810.  BTW, this image, along 
 with a number of other color images, is in the new edition of the Columbia 
 Phonograph Companion - Volume II.  There is more information about the new 
 edition here:
 
 https://itunes.apple.com/us/book/columbia-phonograph-companion/id658141249?mt=11
 
 
 
 
 Robert Baumbach
 
 On Sep 22, 2013, at 12:09 PM, Jim Cartwright jim...@earthlink.net wrote:
 
 In collecting antique phonographs, I like to obtain twins, that is similar
 but not identical models.    Some years ago I obtained a Viva-Tonal 800
 which not too long ago was sonically restored using information 
 suggestions  provided by Anthony Sinclair carried out by local antique
 phonograph repairman, Jeff Cecil  now gives excellent performance.   So I
 was please to pick up its twin, the Viva-Tonal 810 at an antique mall
 yesterday.    However, the 810 has been stripped  is bereft of its original
 different color wood staining of different sections of the front doors,
 floral design above the doors, etc.  I want to have its original appearance
 restored.    The Viva-Tonal 810 came with a 1927 ad that gives some idea of
 how it originally looked as does the black-and-white illustration in
 Baumbach's The Columbia Phonograph Companion - Volume II.    However, what
 is needed to facilitate restoration of the decorative details is a clear
 color image of the Vival-Tonal 810.    Can anyone provide such?
 
 
 
 Many thanks for any help any of you may provide! 
 
 
 
 
 
 Jim Cartwright
 
 IMMORTAL PERFORMANCES, INC
 
 Austin's Eclectic Used Record Store Since 1971
 
 1404 West 30th Street    Austin, Texas 78703-1402 USA
 
 (512) 478-9954    E-mail: jim...@earthlink.net
 
 
 
 
 
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[Phono-L] Another Columbia Viva-Tonal

[john robles]

Here is a Columbia Viva-Tonal that I acquired.

http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Viva-Tonal%20611

It is being delivered in two weeks by a friend who is picking it up for me near 
where he lives in Orange County.  It is a Columbia Viva-Tonal model 611, circa 
1926.  It differs from the 601 in that it is walnut, not mahogany, and has the 
flower motif on the front.
I can't wait til it arrives!
John Robles
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Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Viva-Tonal 810 Photo Needed

[john robles]

Thanks, but those links cannot be opened. You get a 404 File Not Found warning.
John





 From: Arvin Casas it...@arvincasas.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Viva-Tonal 810 Photo Needed
 

Images can be attached actually.

If you look at Jim's original post and look for A non-text attachment was
scrubbed...  you will see a link to two images he attached (intentionally
or not - a signature perhaps?), scanned and cleared by the listserv.

Just a friendly fyi.

Arvin



On 9/22/13 6:54 PM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote:

Yo can't attach images to email coming to the board, you have to use
Photobucket or some other photo host and include a link to it.  If you
don't have photobucket you can send me the link via email and I'll upload
it to mine for everyone. Or email the pic directly to Jim.
John





 From: RBaumbach phonol...@mac.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Viva-Tonal 810 Photo Needed
 

I see that the image did not come through, so it was probably too large.
Here is a second attempt with a smaller file.



On Sep 22, 2013, at 1:09 PM, RBaumbach phonol...@mac.com wrote:

 I have attached a color image of the Columbia 810.  BTW, this image,
along with a number of other color images, is in the new edition of the
Columbia Phonograph Companion - Volume II.  There is more information
about the new edition here:
 
 
https://itunes.apple.com/us/book/columbia-phonograph-companion/id65814124
9?mt=11
 
 
 
 
 Robert Baumbach
 
 On Sep 22, 2013, at 12:09 PM, Jim Cartwright jim...@earthlink.net
wrote:
 
 In collecting antique phonographs, I like to obtain twins, that is
similar
 but not identical models.    Some years ago I obtained a Viva-Tonal 800
 which not too long ago was sonically restored using information 
 suggestions  provided by Anthony Sinclair carried out by local antique
 phonograph repairman, Jeff Cecil  now gives excellent performance.
So I
 was please to pick up its twin, the Viva-Tonal 810 at an antique mall
 yesterday.    However, the 810 has been stripped  is bereft of its
original
 different color wood staining of different sections of the front doors,
 floral design above the doors, etc.  I want to have its original
appearance
 restored.    The Viva-Tonal 810 came with a 1927 ad that gives some
idea of
 how it originally looked as does the black-and-white illustration in
 Baumbach's The Columbia Phonograph Companion - Volume II.    However,
what
 is needed to facilitate restoration of the decorative details is a
clear
 color image of the Vival-Tonal 810.    Can anyone provide such?
 
 
 
 Many thanks for any help any of you may provide!
 
 
 
 
 
 Jim Cartwright
 
 IMMORTAL PERFORMANCES, INC
 
 Austin's Eclectic Used Record Store Since 1971
 
 1404 West 30th Street    Austin, Texas 78703-1402 USA
 
 (512) 478-9954    E-mail: jim...@earthlink.net
 
 
 
 
 
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[Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer

[john robles]

Hello all
How about some opinions on this reproducer? It is an Edison model C top with a 
trimmed weight. Also, the sapphire bar is unusual, though it appears to contain 
an Edison doorknob sapphire. The hinge block has also been skillfully modified 
and is spring loaded, perhaps to counter the docked tailweight? The diaphragm 
is not an Edison, it is silver and it has a hump in the middle where the link 
attaches. Anyone got any ideas?
Also there is a faint script capital F beneath the hole in the weight. Doesn't 
stand for Frick, I hope!

Here is a link to some photos. I will add more later.

http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Odd%20reproducer

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Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer

[john robles]

That was the first thing I thought. But the cut away is not nickel plated. Down 
where the spring is, I took off the weight and two slots are finely engraved in 
the back of the weight, and that is where the tails of the springs nest. Well 
done. More pics will be up soon.
John





 From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer
 

It looks like it was adapted for use on a coin op.  I have seen weights made of 
aluminum with springs like that.  

In 1915 and after the copper CHK diaphragms were nickel plated and Edison 
continued to make them into the 1920's.  

Are the ground away areas nickel plated?

 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 10:22:06 -0700
 From: john9...@pacbell.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer
 
 Hello all
 How about some opinions on this reproducer? It is an Edison model C top with 
 a trimmed weight. Also, the sapphire bar is unusual, though it appears to 
 contain an Edison doorknob sapphire. The hinge block has also been skillfully 
 modified and is spring loaded, perhaps to counter the docked tailweight? The 
 diaphragm is not an Edison, it is silver and it has a hump in the middle 
 where the link attaches. Anyone got any ideas?
 Also there is a faint script capital F beneath the hole in the weight. 
 Doesn't stand for Frick, I hope!
 
 Here is a link to some photos. I will add more later.
 
 http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Odd%20reproducer
 
 John Robles
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Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer

[john robles]

The only thing that bugs me is that it has quite a blast on certain 
frequencies. Not many, but a few. I played a harp record, and one note in the 
bass caused it to blast. I thought the rebuilding would help, but no dice.
John





 From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer
 

It looks like it was adapted for use on a coin op.  I have seen weights made of 
aluminum with springs like that.  

In 1915 and after the copper CHK diaphragms were nickel plated and Edison 
continued to make them into the 1920's.  

Are the ground away areas nickel plated?

 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 10:22:06 -0700
 From: john9...@pacbell.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer
 
 Hello all
 How about some opinions on this reproducer? It is an Edison model C top with 
 a trimmed weight. Also, the sapphire bar is unusual, though it appears to 
 contain an Edison doorknob sapphire. The hinge block has also been skillfully 
 modified and is spring loaded, perhaps to counter the docked tailweight? The 
 diaphragm is not an Edison, it is silver and it has a hump in the middle 
 where the link attaches. Anyone got any ideas?
 Also there is a faint script capital F beneath the hole in the weight. 
 Doesn't stand for Frick, I hope!
 
 Here is a link to some photos. I will add more later.
 
 http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Odd%20reproducer
 
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[Phono-L] More photos of odd reproducer interior

[john robles]

I've added more photos of the interior and the diaphragm of the reproducer.  
Note the aluminum diaphragm! Also, when I took it apart, the old gaskets were 
hard and flaked away, apparently this is not a modern reworking of this 
reproducer, but was done many years ago. The paper gaskets were in place too.
Note the grooves cut in the back of the weight to accept the tails of the 
springs. This is a rather advanced job.
John Robles
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 From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer
 

It looks like it was adapted for use on a coin op.  I have seen weights made of 
aluminum with springs like that.  

In 1915 and after the copper CHK diaphragms were nickel plated and Edison 
continued to make them into the 1920's.  

Are the ground away areas nickel plated?

 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 10:22:06 -0700
 From: john9...@pacbell.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer
 
 Hello all
 How about some opinions on this reproducer? It is an Edison model C top with 
 a trimmed weight. Also, the sapphire bar is unusual, though it appears to 
 contain an Edison doorknob sapphire. The hinge block has also been skillfully 
 modified and is spring loaded, perhaps to counter the docked tailweight? The 
 diaphragm is not an Edison, it is silver and it has a hump in the middle 
 where the link attaches. Anyone got any ideas?
 Also there is a faint script capital F beneath the hole in the weight. 
 Doesn't stand for Frick, I hope!
 
 Here is a link to some photos. I will add more later.
 
 http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Odd%20reproducer
 
 John Robles
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Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer

[john robles]

It is 415944.





 From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer
 

What is the serial number of the top?  Since it is not by the letters it should 
be above 390,000.

 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 10:22:06 -0700
 From: john9...@pacbell.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer
 
 Hello all
 How about some opinions on this reproducer? It is an Edison model C top with 
 a trimmed weight. Also, the sapphire bar is unusual, though it appears to 
 contain an Edison doorknob sapphire. The hinge block has also been skillfully 
 modified and is spring loaded, perhaps to counter the docked tailweight? The 
 diaphragm is not an Edison, it is silver and it has a hump in the middle 
 where the link attaches. Anyone got any ideas?
 Also there is a faint script capital F beneath the hole in the weight. 
 Doesn't stand for Frick, I hope!
 
 Here is a link to some photos. I will add more later.
 
 http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Odd%20reproducer
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer

[john robles]

Interesting. I wonder when iand why the adaption was made? The aluminum 
diaphragm seems a copy of some of the disc reproducer diaphragms of later years.





 From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com
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Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer
 

1904 I would guess.

 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 15:25:37 -0700
 From: john9...@pacbell.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer
 
 It is 415944.
 
 
 
 
 
  From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com
 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
 Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 3:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer
  
 
 What is the serial number of the top?  Since it is not by the letters it 
 should be above 390,000.
 
  Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 10:22:06 -0700
  From: john9...@pacbell.net
  To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Subject: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer
  
  Hello all
  How about some opinions on this reproducer? It is an Edison model C top 
  with a trimmed weight. Also, the sapphire bar is unusual, though it appears 
  to contain an Edison doorknob sapphire. The hinge block has also been 
  skillfully modified and is spring loaded, perhaps to counter the docked 
  tailweight? The diaphragm is not an Edison, it is silver and it has a hump 
  in the middle where the link attaches. Anyone got any ideas?
  Also there is a faint script capital F beneath the hole in the weight. 
  Doesn't stand for Frick, I hope!
  
  Here is a link to some photos. I will add more later.
  
  http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Odd%20reproducer
  
  John Robles
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Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer

[John Robles]

Funny, that's the feeling I had when I saw it, and I'm not that familiar with 
coin op machines...

On Sep 16, 2013, at 5:25 PM, DanKj ediso...@verizon.net wrote:

 I keep thinking this is from a coin-operated machine   just a feeling I 
 have
 
 
 
 - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net
 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 7:55 PM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer
 
 
 Interesting. I wonder when iand why the adaption was made? The aluminum 
 diaphragm seems a copy of some of the disc reproducer diaphragms of later 
 years.
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com
 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 4:45 PM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer
 
 
 1904 I would guess.
 
 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 15:25:37 -0700
 From: john9...@pacbell.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer
 
 It is 415944.
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com
 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 3:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer
 
 
 What is the serial number of the top? Since it is not by the letters it 
 should be above 390,000.
 
  Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 10:22:06 -0700
  From: john9...@pacbell.net
  To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Subject: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer
 
  Hello all
  How about some opinions on this reproducer? It is an Edison model C top  
  with a trimmed weight. Also, the sapphire bar is unusual, though it  
  appears to contain an Edison doorknob sapphire. The hinge block has also  
  been skillfully modified and is spring loaded, perhaps to counter the  
  docked tailweight? The diaphragm is not an Edison, it is silver and it  
  has a hump in the middle where the link attaches. Anyone got any ideas?
  Also there is a faint script capital F beneath the hole in the weight.  
  Doesn't stand for Frick, I hope!
 
  Here is a link to some photos. I will add more later.
 
  http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Odd%20reproducer
 
  John Robles
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Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer

[john robles]

Thanks Al.
As to the stiffness of the diaphragm, it is actually extremely thin, however I 
could see that the domed area wold be stiffer due to its shape, correct?  I am 
very tempted to replace it with an Edison diaphragm.
The spring has a very light resistance, I wouldn't say it produces any more 
pressure than the full weight would had it not been docked.  I've played 
indestructibles with it, and one wax cylinder, the Angels Serenade harp solo 
by Charles Scheutze. That's the one that creates the blast. But maybe I better 
stop using it - speaking of important cylinders, it is one of the first 6 
cylinders I ever owned, going back 28 years or so.  I still have 4 of the 6, 
all in mint condition. I got them at my first CAPS show back when it was still 
at Griswold's Hotel in Fullerton. 
Anyone remember that? A small conference room, no air conditioning..by 
afternoon it was like a sweatbox in there.
John Robles





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To: phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer
 



Greetings John:

From everything I see, the reproducer screams 'Someone's Kitchen Table 
Experiment'.  I have seen similar experiments to 'improve' an Edison 
reproducer and have a couple in my collection.  In the mind of this guy who 
made your example, the weight was able to move so the force on the record by 
the stylus was inconsistent thus trimming the weight and adding a spring to 
give constant downward stylus force was the idea.  Those people who have seen 
the Lyric type reproducer with its spring system and figured that Edison 
reproducers might be modified to use the same principle are the culprits.  The 
most tragic form of this idea I have seen was on a Model L Reproducer and it 
didn't work for that one either.

The booming peak resonant frequency is likely due to the weight added to the 
stylus bar versus the return force exerted by the aluminum diaphragm which may 
be way too stiff.  That's my theory on the peak responses you are getting.  You 
may also have found the resonance of the spring and the trimmed weight 
suspension.  It is hard to tell without having the reproducer at hand to 
examine and run tests on.

I would not play any valuable wax records with it ! ! ! 

Regards to all on the list,
Al


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Re: [Phono-L] needing a b y nickel beauty ring for 12 3/8 turntable

[John Robles]

I hope he paid for it!
John

On Sep 4, 2013, at 8:20 AM, zonophone2...@aol.com wrote:

 
 hello all
 just a shout out 
 i am having my by replated and the plater destroyed the by beauty ring
 the one i need is the larger one for the 12 3/8 turntable
 i know there is a smaller one for the 11 5/ 8 but i need the larger
 please contact me off list if you have one available
 thanks
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[John Robles]

If I may ask, how did he destroy it?
John

On Sep 4, 2013, at 10:37 AM, zonophone2...@aol.com wrote:

 HI
 He cant pay for it if i cant find one
 oh well
 no idea what its worth at this point but not a happy camper
 zono
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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 Sent: Wed, Sep 4, 2013 12:13 pm
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] needing a b y nickel beauty ring for 12 3/8 turntable
 
 
 I hope he paid for it!
 John
 
 On Sep 4, 2013, at 8:20 AM, zonophone2...@aol.com wrote:
 
 
 hello all
 just a shout out 
 i am having my by replated and the plater destroyed the by beauty ring
 the one i need is the larger one for the 12 3/8 turntable
 i know there is a smaller one for the 11 5/ 8 but i need the larger
 please contact me off list if you have one available
 thanks
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[Phono-L] Amberola Spring Re-greasing question

[john robles]

Hello all
I have a question. I have an Amberola 75 that I got a a possible trade/sale 
machine later on. For now I am keeping it. The springs are badly in need of 
lubrication, and the leaves are coming apart as the machine plays with noisy 
results.  The springs may even need replacement.  I have not regreased Amberola 
springs before, and I see that the barrels are held closed with metal tabs. To 
clean and grease the spring you have to unbend them. Anyone done this with 
successful results (i.e. not breaking the tabs while bending)?  I am tempted to 
buy another good spring barrel assembly with quiet, well greased springs for 
$95 as opposed to doing it myself. If I send it out, it would cost me over $100 
to have it done by someone else. I do spring replacement jobs on Edison phonos, 
but I don't like doing it!
What's your advice?
John Robles
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Re: [Phono-L] Mystery Phono! Vic 3 or Frankenphone?

[John Robles]

I think it's a Vic iii with replaced columns or maybe an hmv cabinet. It has 
the right Vic iii design except for the columns.
John Robles

On Aug 29, 2013, at 2:34 PM, Melissa Ricci riccib...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hello Everyone,
 
 Last night, Nick an I won an interesting phonograph at a local junk auction. 
 Someone has spray painted the entire cabinet gold...inside and out! The 
 double spring motor looks to be from a Victor III, the turntable and the 
 upper works appear to be from a Victor III and it came with a ID plate 
 (tacked inside the cabinet) that indicates it is indeed a Victor III. It also 
 came with a nice original wood horn. 
 
 The problem is, we have never seen a Victor cabinet with this design before. 
 After quite a bit of research, we found that the Vic III came in two cabinet 
 types and neither of them match this one, not even close! We own a late style 
 Victor III to compare it to and it is definitely not the same. Strange. The 
 wood under the terrible gold paint looks old and the back bracket looks to be 
 correct. So we need to find out, is this a Frankenphone made up of Victor III 
 parts with a handmade cabinet or a cabinet from a different machine? I was 
 unable to find any cabinets with the kind of moldings this one has. Here are 
 a few links to pictures we just took. 
 
 Any ideas are greatly appreciated!
 
 http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09701.jpg.html
 
 
 http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09702.jpg.html
 
 
 http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09703.jpg.html
 
 
 http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09704.jpg.html
 
 
 http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09705.jpg.html
 
 
 http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09706.jpg.html
 
 
 Thanks,
 Melissa
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[Phono-L] Bruinswick Phono Grease

[john robles]

Has anyone but me ever noticed that Brunswick phonographs seem always to run 
silently even though the grease is 80 or 90 years old?? Did they use some sort 
of super-lubricant?
John Robles
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[Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers

[john robles]

Hello all
I just noticed that the Amberola 75 I purchased at the APS show a couple of 
weeks ago is serial numbered SM - - - 7072. The three dashes appear on the ID 
plate.  I had not noticed this on other machines.  Is this a low serial number?
Also, the drawers do not have the clips for record boxes in them as did my last 
75. I thought at first that the drawers were replacements, but on close 
inspection they seem to be original, with no screw holes for the clips. Can 
anyone enlighten me? Did the earlier machines not have the clips? Or did the 
earlier ones HAVE the clips and later ones don't?
Thanks
John Robles
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Re: [Phono-L] The Edison Phonograph Monthly Question

[John Robles]

I find the later ones a little more dry; the earlier volumes have lots more 
graphics and dealer/jobber feedback. The first three are particularly good.
John

On Aug 23, 2013, at 7:48 AM, Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com wrote:

 My set likewise gets enjoyed.  It can remain undisturbed on the shelf for 
 months at a time, and then at various times I find myself taking two or three 
 volumes out for bedside table reading at night.  Other times I get into some 
 particular Edison phonograph, determine its general date of manufacture, and 
 pull the age-appropriate volumes for reading over breakfast or lunch, to get 
 the flavor of the EPM's promotional and monthly record list material around 
 that particular general period.
 
 Like John, I never tire of them.  
 
 Andrew Baron
 Santa Fe
 
 On Aug 22, 2013, at 9:57 PM, John Robles wrote:
 
 Fourteen volumes is the whole set. I bought mine 15 years ago and I never 
 tire of it.
 John Robles
 
 On Aug 22, 2013, at 8:43 PM, phonost...@aol.com wrote:
 
 Hi Phono Friends,
 
 As an avid collector since 1985 of anything Phonograph related, including  
 mostly the common phonographs, records, books, related postcards, record  
 catalogs ect. I am considering selling my 14 exact reproduction, red  
 hard 
 cover  books of  The Edison Phonograph Monthly  by Wendell  Moore.
 
 I realize the price went down since the contents of these books were  put 
 on line, but these books are 'The' originals, excellent condition, and I  
 would like to find them a new home to enjoy.
 
 Before I offer my set for sale, I would like to know if I have the  
 complete set! I have Vol 1 through 14.
 
 Did Wendell Moore make a Vol. 15, or did I slowly purchase all His great  
 book venture?  The  last of my EPM Vol. 14 is dated March,  1915.
 
 And   Thanks  to all my phonograph Friends out there,  who helped me to 
 learn and enjoy this hobby over these years of  collecting and caring 
 of 
 my Phonograph venture!!
 
 
 Sincerely,
 
 Joan Lehman
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Re: [Phono-L] The Edison Phonograph Monthly Question

[John Robles]

Fourteen volumes is the whole set. I bought mine 15 years ago and I never tire 
of it.
John Robles

On Aug 22, 2013, at 8:43 PM, phonost...@aol.com wrote:

 Hi Phono Friends,
 
 As an avid collector since 1985 of anything Phonograph related, including  
 mostly the common phonographs, records, books, related postcards, record  
 catalogs ect. I am considering selling my 14 exact reproduction, red  
 hard 
 cover  books of  The Edison Phonograph Monthly  by Wendell  Moore.
 
 I realize the price went down since the contents of these books were  put 
 on line, but these books are 'The' originals, excellent condition, and I  
 would like to find them a new home to enjoy.
 
 Before I offer my set for sale, I would like to know if I have the  
 complete set! I have Vol 1 through 14.
 
 Did Wendell Moore make a Vol. 15, or did I slowly purchase all His great  
 book venture?  The  last of my EPM Vol. 14 is dated March,  1915.
 
 And   Thanks  to all my phonograph Friends out there,  who helped me to 
 learn and enjoy this hobby over these years of  collecting and caring of 
 my Phonograph venture!!
 
 
 Sincerely,
 
 Joan Lehman
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Re: [Phono-L] The Edison Phonograph Monthly Question

[John Robles]

I don't know. I see them from time to time, but usually used.

On Aug 22, 2013, at 9:48 PM, phonost...@aol.com wrote:

 John,
 
 Thank you for your response. Glad I had the chance to purchase all  14. I 
 must admit I did not page through all them to any length. I got involved  in 
 getting the EPM's from Wendell Moore as preserving phonograph history. As I 
 recall, back when I purchased almost all of Wendell's books, or after,, I  
 got a letter from Wendell, asking if I would be interested in his inventory 
 of unsold EPMs. I declined this venture and  often wondered if  any  other 
 phonograph collector stepped up to the plate,? Do you know who may be  
 selling any of Wendell's APM's today, or if any original APM's are still  
 available?? 
 
 
 In a message dated 8/23/2013 12:19:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
 john9...@pacbell.net writes:
 
 Fourteen  volumes is the whole set. I bought mine 15 years ago and I never 
 tire of  it.
 John Robles
 
 On Aug 22, 2013, at 8:43 PM, phonost...@aol.com  wrote:
 
 Hi Phono Friends,
 
 As an avid collector  since 1985 of anything Phonograph related,
 including  
 mostly the  common phonographs, records, books, related postcards, record
 
 catalogs ect. I am considering selling my 14 exact reproduction, red 
  hard 
 cover  books of  The Edison Phonograph Monthly   by Wendell  Moore.
 
 I realize the price went down since  the contents of these books were  
 put 
 on line, but these books  are 'The' originals, excellent condition, and I
 
 would like to  find them a new home to enjoy.
 
 Before I offer my set for  sale, I would like to know if I have the  
 complete set! I have  Vol 1 through 14.
 
 Did Wendell Moore make a Vol. 15, or did I  slowly purchase all His great 
 
 book venture?  The   last of my EPM Vol. 14 is dated March,  1915.
 
 And   Thanks  to all my phonograph Friends out there,   who helped me
 to 
 learn and enjoy this hobby over these years  of  collecting and
 caring of 
 my Phonograph venture!!
 
 
 Sincerely,
 
 Joan Lehman
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Re: [Phono-L] Pot metal swelling geographically speaking (new topic)

[john robles]

I am thinking this oak Amberola 75 was not kept in a great place. The finish is 
pretty nice actually, but the reproducer is spotty and the limit loop and pin 
are rusted. It needs the motor gone over, and the springs need regreasing if 
not outright replacement. I bought this for eventual resale so I hope I don't 
have to put TOO much into it, but it has the potential to be a nice machine. I 
am thinking it may have been kept in an attic or basement. I don't know where 
it came from, I'll have to ask the seller.
John Robles





 From: Don Mayer donma...@shaw.ca
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 1:00 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Pot metal swelling geographically speaking (new topic)
 

 From: Steven Medved
 Normally the Diamond B does not expand that much unless it was stored where 
 temperatures varied over the years like an unheated attic where it got very 
 cold in the winter and very hot in the summer.  Pot metal reproducer on 
 Vancouver Island in the Victoria area remain pristine due to the relative 
 small variance in temperature.  

Hi Steven,

I thought I should delicately chime in here on the issue of pot metal swelling. 
I live in Victoria, have collected phonographs for 40 years and have seen many 
examples of reproducers and parts which have swollen due to dezincification 
or inter granular crystal growth (thanks to Al Sefl for that phrase). In 
fact, one of my first projects in the 70's was to machine a new lower mounting 
plate for an S reproducer which had suffered breakage due to swelling. While I 
can't speak to how local pot metal deterioration may compare to other areas, I 
can say that the effect is not uncommon here. I don't think that pristine 
would be an accurate description of how a lot of pot metal ages on Vancouver 
Island.

Interestingly, though, it would be fun to put a Vancouver Island pot metal 
reproducer or some other object on eBay to see if there might be a halo effect 
that would apply to pot metal objects which have spent their lives here : )

Thanks very much for your informative posts, Steven. I always enjoy your 
illuminating comments, particularly on serial numbers as they relate to design 
changes. 

All the best,
Don Mayer
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Re: [Phono-L] Rare phonogaph cabinet/storage

[john robles]

Love to see it Ken!





 From: Ken and Brenda Brekke kb...@charter.net
To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Rare phonogaph cabinet/storage
 

Nice find!!!  I have three different styles of these cabinets.  Only one is
all correct with the  paper mache horn and swinging tone arm.  I can take
some pictures for you if you want.  I do have a form to make the horns and
have made one already and sold it at the Union Phonograph show.  They are a
bit complex and very time consuming to make.  I hope to make some more horns
this winter. 
Ken Brekke 

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Behalf Of john robles
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 7:49 PM
To: phonolist
Subject: [Phono-L] Rare phonogaph cabinet/storage

Hi
I have a question - A friend of mine found a rare Herzog 742cabinet that
fits a cylinder phonograph inside it, and has cylinder drawers below. The
model 740, which is similar, is pictured on the cover of Fabrizio and Paul's
book Antique Phonograph Gadgets, Gizmos and Gimmicks.  It is a rare bird
indeed, the only thing is, the proprietary horn is not there. The 740 has a
horn attached to the back of the grille which runs by means of a metal tube
to the reproducer. Now since both cabinets are different, does anyone know
if the 742 had the same proprietary horn? The first incarnation was for
outside horn disc machines.
Mr's Fabrizio and/or Paul, can you chime in please?
John Robles
Oh no I am gonna die - I just found out he got it here in my own town!
Swoon...
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Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742

[john robles]

You know what the worst thing is about this? He is from Orange County, which is 
a couple of hours away, but he found it in a shop ten miles from my house. A 
shop I have never been to, but meant to go to on Friday! I would have had that 
machine if I had only gone in there when I meant to!!! Makes me sick...
John





 From: Tim Fabrizio phonop...@aol.com
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742
 

Well, all those Herzogs for cylinder machines used an internal horn, though 
few seem to have retained them. I like Ken's idea about replicating them!

Best to all,

Tim Fabrizio







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To: phonolist phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Sat, Aug 17, 2013 9:21 pm
Subject: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742


Here is a pic, sorry, forgot the link!

http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Herzog%20742
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[Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem

[john robles]

Hello all
I have a Diamond B reproducer with a curious problem. I went to rebuild it, and 
when I tried to unscrew the diaphragm retaining ring, it turned but did not 
want to come out. Finally I eased it out by unscrewing while working a small 
screwdriver blade under it to help push it outward. When it came out, I noticed 
that it had Scotch tape wrapped around it. When I removed the tape and went to 
screw it back into the reproducer, it fell to the bottom of the reproducer 
body. The threads did not engage with the body. I had another ring from a 
Diamond C and it did the same thing, but both rings worked in the Diamond C. I 
thought they were two different sized reproducer bodies, but apparently they 
are supposed to be the same diameter.
A knowledgeable collector friend suggested that the pot metal body of the 
Diamond B might have expanded. Has anyone else had this happen? What would be a 
solution, other than shimming the ring again? Or is that THE solution?
Thanks
John Robles
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Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742

[john robles]

It sure does!





 From: bruce78...@comcast.net bruce78...@comcast.net
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742
 

I have had that happen as well, I think many of us have. You kept driving by 
the antique shop and something was trying to entice you in, but you didn't act 
on it, and then you found out something really special was there, but someone 
else ended up with it because you didn't stop when you should have. It is a 
sick feeling that does stay with you, especially every time you pass the shop 
again and again. 

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To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:38:40 AM 
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 

You know what the worst thing is about this? He is from Orange County, which is 
a couple of hours away, but he found it in a shop ten miles from my house. A 
shop I have never been to, but meant to go to on Friday! I would have had that 
machine if I had only gone in there when I meant to!!! Makes me sick... 
John 




 
From: Tim Fabrizio phonop...@aol.com 
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 8:04 PM 
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 


Well, all those Herzogs for cylinder machines used an internal horn, though 
few seem to have retained them. I like Ken's idea about replicating them! 

Best to all, 

Tim Fabrizio 







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To: phonolist phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Sat, Aug 17, 2013 9:21 pm 
Subject: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 


Here is a pic, sorry, forgot the link! 

http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Herzog%20742 
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Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem

[john robles]

Steve, the diameter of both the Diamond B and Diamond C compressions rings is 
1.66. The inside diameter of the Diamond C body is 1.66. The inner diameter of 
the Diamond B body ranges up to1.6730, and is slightly inconsistent in 
circumference. So there is obvious enlargement there. 
John





 From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem
 

Normally the Diamond B does not expand that much unless it was stored where 
temperatures varied over the years like an unheated attic where it got very 
cold in the winter and very hot in the summer.  Pot metal reproducer on 
Vancouver Island in the Victoria area remain pristine due to the relative small 
variance in temperature.  

Edison compression rings vary in diameter from 1.59 to 1.69.  If the largest 
ring you have will not thread I use Teflon tape because it will allow easy 
removal.  

With the Model R and S you have the opposite problem and need a smaller ring.  
That's Pot Metal Folks.  

Steve


 Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 04:39:49 -0700
 From: john9...@pacbell.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem
 
 Hello all
 I have a Diamond B reproducer with a curious problem. I went to rebuild it, 
 and when I tried to unscrew the diaphragm retaining ring, it turned but did 
 not want to come out. Finally I eased it out by unscrewing while working a 
 small screwdriver blade under it to help push it outward. When it came out, I 
 noticed that it had Scotch tape wrapped around it. When I removed the tape 
 and went to screw it back into the reproducer, it fell to the bottom of the 
 reproducer body. The threads did not engage with the body. I had another ring 
 from a Diamond C and it did the same thing, but both rings worked in the 
 Diamond C. I thought they were two different sized reproducer bodies, but 
 apparently they are supposed to be the same diameter.
 A knowledgeable collector friend suggested that the pot metal body of the 
 Diamond B might have expanded. Has anyone else had this happen? What would be 
 a solution, other than shimming the ring again? Or is that THE solution?
 Thanks
 John Robles
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Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742

[john robles]

I'd like to have a good organette. Just not rich enough to afford most of them 
anymore. Used to be cheap!
The best things I found in shops were a gold Exhibition and a Columbia 
grafonola reproucer, $50 for the pair; Original 14 witchs hat horn, 
$30...hmm...I think that is it...The phonographs I have found were run of the 
mill.
John Robles





 From: Tim Fabrizio phonop...@aol.com
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 6:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742
 

From my own experience, stopping in antique shops can be more depressing than 
fruitful. In fact, I've pretty much given up, otherwise I'd have to take 
mega-doses of anti-depressants. The last time I actually found something in 
an antique shop was years, possibly decades ago. Of course, there are always 
the incidents such as John related which will fill the rest of us with resolve 
to stop at every antique shop, waiting for that 742 to appear -- but I prefer 
to enjoy my mental health and not trudge through aisles of discarded 
garage-sale glassware. I know that I may sound like a snob -- but in fact 
I'm too strongly affected by memory of what antique shops used to be in the 
distant past. What many seem to be now are repositories for what DIDN'T sell 
on eBay.

Case in point --- My wife and I were visiting friends in coastal Maine, 
supposedly a good antiquing area. I was bored, so arranged with a pal to 
make a circuit of the antique shops in the area. Spent all day, and even 
attended a yearly antique show that was being held in a school gym. Many, many 
group shops, some individuals, but at least 20 shops were seen. The result 
--- ZILCH. Here's what I saw---

Gem Roller Organ (doesn't count, not a phonograph)
Rollmonica (ditto)
VV XI
VV IX
Run-of-the-mill Brunswick
Diamond Disc C150
Some beat-up Diamond Discs
Crapophone
Box that once held a Jewel Phonoparts attachment

So, I suppose the GOOD news is, me not stopping at antique shops means that 
everybody else gets all the good stuff I will be missing. I should say, in 
fairness, that my esteemed colleague Mr. Paul swears by stopping in shops and 
has found untold bounty in them. I guess somebody up there likes him!

Best to all, Tim Fabrizio.







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From: bruce78rpm bruce78...@comcast.net
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Sun, Aug 18, 2013 9:12 am
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742


I have had that happen as well, I think many of us have. You kept driving by 
the 
antique shop and something was trying to entice you in, but you didn't act on 
it, and then you found out something really special was there, but someone else 
ended up with it because you didn't stop when you should have. It is a sick 
feeling that does stay with you, especially every time you pass the shop again 
and again. 

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From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net 
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:38:40 AM 
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 

You know what the worst thing is about this? He is from Orange County, which is 
a couple of hours away, but he found it in a shop ten miles from my house. A 
shop I have never been to, but meant to go to on Friday! I would have had that 
machine if I had only gone in there when I meant to!!! Makes me sick... 
John 




 
From: Tim Fabrizio phonop...@aol.com 
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 8:04 PM 
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 


Well, all those Herzogs for cylinder machines used an internal horn, though 
few seem to have retained them. I like Ken's idea about replicating them! 

Best to all, 

Tim Fabrizio 







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To: phonolist phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Sat, Aug 17, 2013 9:21 pm 
Subject: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 


Here is a pic, sorry, forgot the link! 

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Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem

[John Robles]

I did, in 6 places

On Aug 18, 2013, at 11:13 AM, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote:

 John,
 
 Measure them in different places.  
 
 Steve
 
 Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 06:49:58 -0700
 From: john9...@pacbell.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem
 
 Steve, the diameter of both the Diamond B and Diamond C compressions rings 
 is 1.66. The inside diameter of the Diamond C body is 1.66. The inner 
 diameter of the Diamond B body ranges up to1.6730, and is slightly 
 inconsistent in circumference. So there is obvious enlargement there. 
 John
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com
 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
 Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:26 AM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem
 
 
 Normally the Diamond B does not expand that much unless it was stored where 
 temperatures varied over the years like an unheated attic where it got very 
 cold in the winter and very hot in the summer.  Pot metal reproducer on 
 Vancouver Island in the Victoria area remain pristine due to the relative 
 small variance in temperature.  
 
 Edison compression rings vary in diameter from 1.59 to 1.69.  If the largest 
 ring you have will not thread I use Teflon tape because it will allow easy 
 removal.  
 
 With the Model R and S you have the opposite problem and need a smaller 
 ring.  That's Pot Metal Folks.  
 
 Steve
 
 
 Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 04:39:49 -0700
 From: john9...@pacbell.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem
 
 Hello all
 I have a Diamond B reproducer with a curious problem. I went to rebuild it, 
 and when I tried to unscrew the diaphragm retaining ring, it turned but did 
 not want to come out. Finally I eased it out by unscrewing while working a 
 small screwdriver blade under it to help push it outward. When it came out, 
 I noticed that it had Scotch tape wrapped around it. When I removed the 
 tape and went to screw it back into the reproducer, it fell to the bottom 
 of the reproducer body. The threads did not engage with the body. I had 
 another ring from a Diamond C and it did the same thing, but both rings 
 worked in the Diamond C. I thought they were two different sized reproducer 
 bodies, but apparently they are supposed to be the same diameter.
 A knowledgeable collector friend suggested that the pot metal body of the 
 Diamond B might have expanded. Has anyone else had this happen? What would 
 be a solution, other than shimming the ring again? Or is that THE solution?
 Thanks
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Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem

[John Robles]

These both have 4 holes.

On Aug 18, 2013, at 2:44 PM, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote:

 Hello John,
 
 Your measurement was correct, sometimes they measure differently in different 
 places.  There are several different styles of the rings, some are oxidized, 
 some are nickel plated.  Some have two holes, some four.  Some have two 
 slots, some are made like the common CHK rings which also came with two 
 slots.  
 
 Steve
 
 From: john9...@pacbell.net
 Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 12:55:02 -0700
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem
 
 I did, in 6 places
 
 On Aug 18, 2013, at 11:13 AM, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote:
 
 John,
 
 Measure them in different places.  
 
 Steve
 
 Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 06:49:58 -0700
 From: john9...@pacbell.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem
 
 Steve, the diameter of both the Diamond B and Diamond C compressions rings 
 is 1.66. The inside diameter of the Diamond C body is 1.66. The inner 
 diameter of the Diamond B body ranges up to1.6730, and is slightly 
 inconsistent in circumference. So there is obvious enlargement there. 
 John
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com
 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
 Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:26 AM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem
 
 
 Normally the Diamond B does not expand that much unless it was stored 
 where temperatures varied over the years like an unheated attic where it 
 got very cold in the winter and very hot in the summer.  Pot metal 
 reproducer on Vancouver Island in the Victoria area remain pristine due to 
 the relative small variance in temperature.  
 
 Edison compression rings vary in diameter from 1.59 to 1.69.  If the 
 largest ring you have will not thread I use Teflon tape because it will 
 allow easy removal.  
 
 With the Model R and S you have the opposite problem and need a smaller 
 ring.  That's Pot Metal Folks.  
 
 Steve
 
 
 Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 04:39:49 -0700
 From: john9...@pacbell.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem
 
 Hello all
 I have a Diamond B reproducer with a curious problem. I went to rebuild 
 it, and when I tried to unscrew the diaphragm retaining ring, it turned 
 but did not want to come out. Finally I eased it out by unscrewing while 
 working a small screwdriver blade under it to help push it outward. When 
 it came out, I noticed that it had Scotch tape wrapped around it. When I 
 removed the tape and went to screw it back into the reproducer, it fell 
 to the bottom of the reproducer body. The threads did not engage with the 
 body. I had another ring from a Diamond C and it did the same thing, but 
 both rings worked in the Diamond C. I thought they were two different 
 sized reproducer bodies, but apparently they are supposed to be the same 
 diameter.
 A knowledgeable collector friend suggested that the pot metal body of the 
 Diamond B might have expanded. Has anyone else had this happen? What 
 would be a solution, other than shimming the ring again? Or is that THE 
 solution?
 Thanks
 John Robles
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Re: [Phono-L] Electric pen

[john robles]

Hi Andrew
Yes, it alarms me how badly modern journalism is researched, especially items 
like this that are aimed at the younger public who doesn't have a long 
attention span. This article gives the impression that the electric pen was a 
writing instrument, not a tool for creating a stencil.
The vote recorder was a failure, I think, because it was sabotaged so much by 
those who didn't want votes in Congress cast against their purposes.  At least 
I have read of tampering with it in that way.
John





 From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Electric pen
 

Hi John ~

A friend sent me this link this morning and I watched the video.  This may 
sound harsh (for me), but I found it to be typically inaccurate media-mill 
fodder, with a catchy segment title to attract a big audience.  Seems they're 
also catering to the contingent that's hungry to pounce on an Edison failure, 
perhaps?

In reality, wasn't the electric pen Edison's first successful mass-produced 
product; i.e., mass produced by Edison's own shops and marketed in America and 
Europe, keeping his first factory quite occupied during its brief heyday?  
While we know that
 although the apparatus was hard to maintain by untrained office staff, 
conceptually the idea was successful enough to attract lumber man A. B. Dick, 
who with the much simplified Edison's Mimeograph put himself on the map as a 
major office machine and supplies manufacturer.

Certainly it is true that the motorized pen was the ideal basis for the tattoo 
stylus (or whatever the right word might be).

A more accurate brief account than the tv.yahoo video:
http://edison.rutgers.edu/pen.htm

NOW FOR ACCURACY IN REPORTING
Edison's worst invention in terms of unsuccessful marketing, must have been 
his Electric Vote Recorder, his first issued patent unless I got this from a 
flawed history book.  None were manufactured beyond the prototype.

Andrew Baron
Santa Fe

On Aug 16, 2013, at 8:48 PM, john robles wrote:

 Here is a clip on what was
 called Thomas Edison's Worst Invention. Of course it is not well researched, 
but it is an interesting wawtch!
 
 http://tv.yahoo.com/video/playlist/primetime/thomas-edisons-worst-invention-061926628.html
 
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[Phono-L] Rare phonogaph cabinet/storage

[john robles]

Hi
I have a question - A friend of mine found a rare Herzog 742cabinet that fits a 
cylinder phonograph inside it, and has cylinder drawers below. The model 740, 
which is similar, is pictured on the cover of Fabrizio and Paul's book Antique 
Phonograph Gadgets, Gizmos and Gimmicks.  It is a rare bird indeed, the only 
thing is, the proprietary horn is not there. The 740 has a horn attached to the 
back of the grille which runs by means of a metal tube to the reproducer. Now 
since both cabinets are different, does anyone know if the 742 had the same 
proprietary horn? The first incarnation was for outside horn disc machines.
Mr's Fabrizio and/or Paul, can you chime in please?
John Robles
Oh no I am gonna die - I just found out he got it here in my own town! Swoon...
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[Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742

[john robles]

Here is a pic, sorry, forgot the link!

http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Herzog%20742
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[Phono-L] Electric pen

[john robles]

Here is a clip on what was called Thomas Edison's Worst Invention. Of course 
it is not well researched, but it is an interesting wawtch!

http://tv.yahoo.com/video/playlist/primetime/thomas-edisons-worst-invention-061926628.html

John Robles
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Re: [Phono-L] Phonatics

[John Robles]

I believe you're right Barry. We thought it would be nice if we had a way of 
communicating with fellow collectors outside of club newsletters.
John Robles

On Jul 30, 2013, at 7:51 AM, ba...@barrykasindorf.com 
ba...@barrykasindorf.com wrote:

 I remember that list. It was the first one like it I think.
 
 
 -Barry
 
 
 - Reply message -
 From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu
 To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: [Phono-L] Phonatics
 Date: Tue, Jul 30, 2013 10:06 am
 
 
 Never got the shirt, but I printed out a members list among other things.
 
 Ron L
 
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 Behalf Of john robles
 Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 12:33 AM
 To: Antique Phonograph List
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phonatics
 
 Hi Ron
 I was one of the founders of that group, along with Bill Daugherty. I
 believe I was also the one that came up with the name Phonatics. I also made
 T-shirts that were purchased by members, did you have one? Glad you remember
 it!
 John Robles
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu
 To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com; 'Antique Phonograph List'
 phono-l@oldcrank.org 
 Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 7:52 PM
 Subject: [Phono-L] Phonatics
 
 
 I was weeding out things in a filing cabinet today and came across material
 from Phonatics, an early antique phono mailing list.I was just wondering
 how many of our present members were part of it or remember it.  I think it
 was  1997 or so.
 
 Ron L
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Phonatics

[john robles]

Hi Ron
I was one of the founders of that group, along with Bill Daugherty. I believe I 
was also the one that came up with the name Phonatics. I also made T-shirts 
that were purchased by members, did you have one? Glad you remember it!
John Robles





 From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu
To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com; 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 7:52 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Phonatics
 

I was weeding out things in a filing cabinet today and came across material
from Phonatics, an early antique phono mailing list.    I was just wondering
how many of our present members were part of it or remember it.  I think it
was  1997 or so.

Ron L

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Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 30 louvers in front of the bedplate

[John Robles]

Didn't the Amberola vii or dx, whichever one looked like the 30, have solid 
plates above the horn? I think they were wood grained though.
John

On Jul 17, 2013, at 8:36 AM, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote:

 Did Edison ever make an Amberola 30 that did not have the louvers above the 
 horn?
 
 
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Anyone know a dealer interested in selling Little Wonder records?

[john robles]

Have you tried asking Kurt Nauck or Tom Hawthorn? Those records might get some 
good attention in their auctions.
John Robles
 


 From: Merle Sprinzen msprin...@gmail.com
To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Monday, July 8, 2013 7:11 AM
Subject: [Phono-L] Anyone know a dealer interested in selling Little Wonder 
records?
  

I was approached by someone who came into a big collection of Little Wonder
records -- more than 1500 records (more than 700 titles - there are
duplicates).  He has 20-30 or so in that collection that I'm interested in
but he isn't really interested in letting me choose -- it's all or nothing
and the all price is more than I'm willing to pay to just get the ones I
want.  So I'm thinking that I could buy them all, take out the ones I want,
and then sell the rest to a dealer at a much reduced price (less than 50
cents a record) given that I was willing to pay a lot for the ones I wanted.
All I need is to find a dealer interested in that deal.  Do you know anyone?
If so, please send me their contact details -- off list please.  And thanks!

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Re: [Phono-L] Victor II back bracket question

[john robles]

Hi BobIt is a special one. I once had a Vic II humpback with no back bracket, 
and I got a Vic III bracket and it was not correct. Later I found the correct 
bracket.John Robles

--- On Tue, 5/28/13, Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net wrote:

From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net
Subject: [Phono-L] Victor II back bracket question
To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Tuesday, May 28, 2013, 7:33 PM

Phono Listers:

 

I Was discussing a restoration project with my friend and I have the
following question:

 

When looking for a back bracket for a Victor II humpback, will one from a
3 / 4 work or is it a special one only for the Victor II/ hump back? I am
quite sure a Victor I is to small.

 

any help is appreciated.

 

thanks in advance

 

Bob

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[Phono-L] Video of Dom DiBernardo's collection

[john robles]

Hello allHere is a great piece of video from a show called Antique Hunter, with 
Mark Caruana and Dominic DiBernardo showing Dom's collection. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdsdyRzNFhkJohn Robles
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Re: [Phono-L] interesting old paper from 1955

[john robles]

I wrote an article about him for our club newsletter. I'll see if I can't dig 
it up for you Ger.John

--- On Thu, 5/9/13, ger ge...@comcast.net wrote:

From: ger ge...@comcast.net
Subject: [Phono-L] interesting old paper from 1955
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Thursday, May 9, 2013, 4:03 PM

This was run by Rev. Kishpaugh, the man my father used to write to. The Rev. 
was way ahead of his time. Boy, did he know phonographs...used to give Pop 
advice. Notice that it says that the “rare Regina Hexaphone” will be on 
display. Reading is a little tough, but with a magnifying glass it can be done. 
It was a pretty small paper. Fun find (on flickr, taken in 2008), but I don’t 
know what I did with it after I took the photo. (: 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gerdan/2546224249/in/set-72157605405674973/
Ger
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Re: [Phono-L] Weird things to do just for a part.

[john robles]

If you ask me, the seller is the fishy one.John Robles

--- On Wed, 5/8/13, Arvin Casas it...@arvincasas.com wrote:

From: Arvin Casas it...@arvincasas.com
Subject: [Phono-L] Weird things to do just for a part.
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 11:57 AM

Hi All,

I have a weird question.  In the process of restoring or acquiring pieces
for your phonographs, have sellers asked you to do odd things beyond
cutting a check?

I'm trying to restore my Columbia-Kolster Viva-Tonal 950 and found a guy on
youtube who has a speaker that matches what my 950 used to have.

I contacted the seller, we negotiated a price.  I tried to send him payment
through my bank's electronic system (kinda like Paypal but not so many fees)
but he said he had been ripped off that way and refused payment.

Complying with his wishes, I was in the midst of cutting him a paper check
(this time written by my bank and delivered by courier) when he backed out
saying the whole thing was fishy.

This seller, Gary in Wisconsin, now wants me to shoot my own youtube video
showing me and my 950 to prove that I exist. It's a little more than I'm
comfortable doing.

(Despite the fact that I'm often compared to Cary Grant, I'm not
particularly fond of videoing myself and posting them publicly.)

Gary says all the radio people do it, so I should too.

Has anybody else been put through the wringer like this just for a part?
Those of you who cross dabble with Radios, do you often video yourself on
youtube?

My faith in humanity was sucker punched by this weirdness.  Just wondering
what others think and what other stories people might like to share, odd,
weird, or otherwise.

Best Wishes from Massachusetts!

Arvin


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Re: [Phono-L] Weird things to do just for a part.

[john robles]

I think the word money order scared her,. I get offered money orders on 
Craigslist all the time, alone with offers of extra money to hold the item, 
etc. Stolen money orders are a big business and the basis of a lot of scams.She 
could have taken cash though.John

--- On Wed, 5/8/13, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote:

From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Weird things to do just for a part.
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 4:00 PM

Arvin,I have bought numerous things on eBay from all over the world, with no 
real problems, except one. I didn't want to use PayPal and offered to send cash 
or a money order drawn on a reputable bank. I know eBay frowns on this 
practice, but I hate to have the seller pay more fees to use PayPal and I have 
sent cash to sellers in Germany, Australia, Great Britain, the USA and 
fortunately have not been ripped off by a seller. The seller acted like this 
one and said it sounded fishy... I said how could it be fishy if I send you 
cash or a money order and you wait until you get paid to send me the item - 
she said she didn't trust money orders. That being said, I am the one taking 
the risk - she gets paid cash or a money order and I am trusting that she would 
send the part. I understand that money orders can be forged, but not if she 
takes it to her bank, deposits it and waits 7-10 days for it to clear, which I 
had no problem with. What I finally figured
 out, was that she was not
  happy with the price it sold for and couldn't think of any other reason to 
back out... This may be your problem with this seller, since he refused your 
payment. He probably asked someone else about it and they advised him that he 
was selling it too cheap. Could this be your issue?

 Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 17:52:20 -0400
 From: it...@arvincasas.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Weird things to do just for a part.
 
 I considered hosting a video on my website in a password protected
 directory but then I thought it's a long way to go to prove I exist.
 
 I fully understand not wanting to get ripped off because it's incredibly
 easy these days, but at some point you have to take that Indiana Jones
 leap of faith.
 
 What struck me as odd was that even a cleared check was not enough.
 YouTube ergo Sum. :)
 
 Part of me is just sad it's come to this.  I've met some great phono pholk
 here and on other virtual meeting grounds and at no time did I really
 question who folks said they were (maybe some iffy advice, but not their
 existence!).  That's why I was wondering If this odd little war story of
 mine has any corollary or precedence with the good fellows here.  It's a
 bit more than just promising to mow your grumpy neighbor's lawn for a
 summer just to get a peek at his 78's, lol.
 
 C'est La Vie
 
 Arvin
 
 
 On 5/8/13 5:09 PM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote:
 
 Boy, this Gary guy seems a bit paranoid.  He could always wait for the
 check
 to clear before sending the speaker.   OTOH, I think you can post private
 video to Youtube.   You'd send the link to Gary and tell him to let you
 know
 when he'd seen it.  Then you could remove it, I would think.
 
 Ron L
 
 -Original Message-
 From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org]
 On
 Behalf Of Arvin Casas
 Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 2:58 PM
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: [Phono-L] Weird things to do just for a part.
 
 Hi All,
 
 I have a weird question.  In the process of restoring or acquiring pieces
 for your phonographs, have sellers asked you to do odd things beyond
 cutting a check?
 
 I'm trying to restore my Columbia-Kolster Viva-Tonal 950 and found a guy
 on
 youtube who has a speaker that matches what my 950 used to have.
 
 I contacted the seller, we negotiated a price.  I tried to send him
 payment
 through my bank's electronic system (kinda like Paypal but not so many
 fees)
 but he said he had been ripped off that way and refused payment.
 
 Complying with his wishes, I was in the midst of cutting him a paper check
 (this time written by my bank and delivered by courier) when he backed out
 saying the whole thing was fishy.
 
 This seller, Gary in Wisconsin, now wants me to shoot my own youtube video
 showing me and my 950 to prove that I exist. It's a little more than I'm
 comfortable doing.
 
 (Despite the fact that I'm often compared to Cary Grant, I'm not
 particularly fond of videoing myself and posting them publicly.)
 
 Gary says all the radio people do it, so I should too.
 
 Has anybody else been put through the wringer like this just for a part?
 Those of you who cross dabble with Radios, do you often video yourself on
 youtube?
 
 My faith in humanity was sucker punched by this weirdness.  Just wondering
 what others think and what other stories people might like to share, odd,
 weird, or otherwise.
 
 Best Wishes from Massachusetts!
 
 Arvin
 
 
 

[Phono-L] Berliner Gramophone only $350.00

[john robles]

Here's another great eBay deal, get it before it is gone! Berliner trademark 
phonograph for only $350.00 Buy It Now! Ebay item 121072345171. Of course it is 
located in Lithuania, and also he only has 1 feedback rating
John Robles
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[Phono-L] Anyone think this is real?

[john robles]

Ebay item number 251234892143 What do you think?
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Re: [Phono-L] Interesting Sharpener for Cactus / Thorn Needles

[john robles]

Not according to any currency converter online. I've tried 5 different ones and 
they all come out to over $4,800.00 for 30,000 yuan (yen). One US Dollar is 
approximately 6.25 yuan. 
John




From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Sun, February 17, 2013 5:56:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Interesting Sharpener for Cactus / Thorn Needles

It's $323.45

 Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 17:14:31 -0800
 From: john9...@pacbell.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Interesting Sharpener for Cactus / Thorn Needles
 
 Looks new to me, especially with the blueprints underneath. And 30,000 yuan 
 is 

 $4,815 and change American.
 John
 
 
 
 
 From: Arvin Casas aca...@spamcop.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Sun, February 17, 2013 12:43:05 PM
 Subject: [Phono-L] Interesting Sharpener for Cactus / Thorn Needles
 
 Hi All,
 
 I just spotted this interesting take on the rotary cactus/thorn needle
 sharpener.  It's from the Yahoo Auctions section in Japan:
 
 http://page18.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/w83786020
 
 Just wondering if folks have seen this before?  Is it new?  A reproduction?
 Is it a kit? 
 
 I don't speak Japanese so I have to rely on a google browser plug-in
 translation, which is probably terrible.
 
 It may be a little overkil, but I just like its presentation.  I'm not at
 liberty to drop 30,000 yen though.
 
 Curioser and curioser,
 
 Arvin
 
 
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Interesting Sharpener for Cactus / Thorn Needles

[john robles]

$323.45 is 2,015.90 yuan.




From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Sun, February 17, 2013 5:56:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Interesting Sharpener for Cactus / Thorn Needles

It's $323.45

 Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 17:14:31 -0800
 From: john9...@pacbell.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Interesting Sharpener for Cactus / Thorn Needles
 
 Looks new to me, especially with the blueprints underneath. And 30,000 yuan 
 is 

 $4,815 and change American.
 John
 
 
 
 
 From: Arvin Casas aca...@spamcop.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Sun, February 17, 2013 12:43:05 PM
 Subject: [Phono-L] Interesting Sharpener for Cactus / Thorn Needles
 
 Hi All,
 
 I just spotted this interesting take on the rotary cactus/thorn needle
 sharpener.  It's from the Yahoo Auctions section in Japan:
 
 http://page18.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/w83786020
 
 Just wondering if folks have seen this before?  Is it new?  A reproduction?
 Is it a kit? 
 
 I don't speak Japanese so I have to rely on a google browser plug-in
 translation, which is probably terrible.
 
 It may be a little overkil, but I just like its presentation.  I'm not at
 liberty to drop 30,000 yen though.
 
 Curioser and curioser,
 
 Arvin
 
 
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Diamond Disc grills needed

[john robles]

He does great Amberola V and VI feet too.




From: Brad abell out...@aol.com
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Mon, February 18, 2013 6:29:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Diamond Disc grills needed


Try Tom Rutkowski-- I've ordered several grills from him- He does nice work.  
His email-- 

gril...@gmail.com   Website--  
http://www.grampstreasures.com/product_pages/phonograph_grills.htm

He has the ones you are looking for.

Brad

-Original Message-
From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net
To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Mon, Feb 18, 2013 9:17 pm
Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Diamond Disc grills needed


Phono list:



I need to get grills for:



A Edison Diamond Disc C-19 : light OAK

and  Diamond Disc table model, B-19: I think it is a light gum wood.





Anyone have a good contact for reproductions?



Original would be great however, unlikely.



Later



Bob

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Re: [Phono-L] Interesting Sharpener for Cactus / Thorn Needles

[john robles]

Looks new to me, especially with the blueprints underneath. And 30,000 yuan is 
$4,815 and change American.
John




From: Arvin Casas aca...@spamcop.net
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Sun, February 17, 2013 12:43:05 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Interesting Sharpener for Cactus / Thorn Needles

Hi All,

I just spotted this interesting take on the rotary cactus/thorn needle
sharpener.  It's from the Yahoo Auctions section in Japan:

http://page18.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/w83786020

Just wondering if folks have seen this before?  Is it new?  A reproduction?
Is it a kit? 

I don't speak Japanese so I have to rely on a google browser plug-in
translation, which is probably terrible.

It may be a little overkil, but I just like its presentation.  I'm not at
liberty to drop 30,000 yen though.

Curioser and curioser,

Arvin



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[Phono-L] Introducing the Edison Damberola 1

[john robles]

Actually it is a joint venture between Edison and some British gramophone 
concern. I found it at a garage sale. Believe it or not I am still considering 
buying it. It works, but the stylus needs replacement. Everyone needs one freak 
in their collection.
http://s197.beta.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Damberola%201 
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