Re: [Phono-L] Phono find of a lifetime
Thanks John, the likelihood of me finding one then is slim along with the NZ DD. Kind regards, Jamie From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] Sent: Wednesday, 11 March 2015 9:40 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono find of a lifetime Hi Jamie. The 1912 version is a hard one to come by. Charley Hummel's copy is the one that was used to make those repros recently. I now of three selling at auction in the last 5 or 6 years, two went for around $300 and one went for 1000.00 in 2012. John Robles On Mar 9, 2015, at 3:50 AM, Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org wrote: I’m curious re the Edison Diamond Disc advertising record from 1912; can’t say I’ve seen a copy does it turn-up at all? Jamie From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] Sent: Monday, 9 March 2015 9:03 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono find of a lifetime Hi Steve She set her price. I am always hesitant about making an offer; I would rather the seller state their price and then negotiate to a deal that benefits us both. The price she quoted me was a little retailish, but not quite. What made the day was that there were 300 Diamond Discs, and among them were 9 Long Plays, one with its original sleeve; an Edison Diamond Disc advertising record from 1912; two Tuning Records; and a copy og Holiday Greetings from the Bunch at Orange! There were double copies of three of the long play records, and I put those three on eBay and they went for about $700. My friend Marc bought the machine and several records, and two Edison albums from a C-2 that were in the mix. I am left with the Diamond Disc cabinet (there's a tag on the bottom that says Recreation Cabinet - Thomas A. Edison Inc. - Orange NJ. Most of the discs are 51000 and 8 series. Many are unplayed dealer stock. All in all it was a great find! John Robles On Sunday, March 8, 2015 10:00 PM, Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org wrote: Obviously he bought the stuff from John. On Mar 8, 2015, at 9:30 PM, Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org wrote: Someone named Marc has this same story on the Talking Machine forum. - Original Message - From: Antique Phonograph List To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2015 11:00 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono find of a lifetime Great find John: So? I'm curious - maybe others are too as this does happen - did she set the price or did she ask for an offer? I won't pry on the $ but curious how it went. I had a slightly similar thing 30 years ago with an Amberola 1 A - where the woman asked for an offer and I gave her a fair one at the time (knowing that many of the records were common) She had no idea what she had and said that if I could increase offer by $25 I could have it. I did and I had it! Steve Ramm ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org http://mandrillapp.com/track/click/30365713/phono-l.org?p=eyJzIjoiY2JSRW5aSWNMNFJnSmFyU0pEWjJUM01aMUYwIiwidiI6MSwicCI6IntcInVcIjozMDM2NTcxMyxcInZcIjoxLFwidXJsXCI6XCJodHRwOlxcXC9cXFwvcGhvbm8tbC5vcmdcXFwvXCIsXCJpZFwiOlwiZDNkM2RmNTJhOWY5NDRlYmJkNTMxMWMxNTdkZmJkZjhcIixcInVybF9pZHNcIjpbXCJjZDRiZGQzNWI5MGE1ODZmZDZjMzczMGZmZGQzZWJhYTFkY2M2MjRiXCJdfSJ9 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org http://mandrillapp.com/track/click/30365713/phono-l.org?p=eyJzIjoiY2JSRW5aSWNMNFJnSmFyU0pEWjJUM01aMUYwIiwidiI6MSwicCI6IntcInVcIjozMDM2NTcxMyxcInZcIjoxLFwidXJsXCI6XCJodHRwOlxcXC9cXFwvcGhvbm8tbC5vcmdcXFwvXCIsXCJpZFwiOlwiZDNkM2RmNTJhOWY5NDRlYmJkNTMxMWMxNTdkZmJkZjhcIixcInVybF9pZHNcIjpbXCJjZDRiZGQzNWI5MGE1ODZmZDZjMzczMGZmZGQzZWJhYTFkY2M2MjRiXCJdfSJ9 mime-attachment.jpg _ http://mandrillapp.com/track/click/30365713/www.avast.com?p=eyJzIjoiUG5faHlXV0RtNVRCcDNTSUxxZjJ6dGUxdFlVIiwidiI6MSwicCI6IntcInVcIjozMDM2NTcxMyxcInZcIjoxLFwidXJsXCI6XCJodHRwOlxcXC9cXFwvd3d3LmF2YXN0LmNvbVxcXC9cIixcImlkXCI6XCI1MmIyYmEzODQyNDI0M2I4OTY3Njc5OGUzOTM0MzRmZFwiLFwidXJsX2lkc1wiOltcIjg5ODY1MDAwZTJiMGI1MDBiODliYTI1OTI4MDhlMjM2YWY4NjhkZmRcIl19In0 Image removed by sender. This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus http://mandrillapp.com/track/click/30365713/www.avast.com?p=eyJzIjoiUG5faHlXV0RtNVRCcDNTSUxxZjJ6dGUxdFlVIiwidiI6MSwicCI6IntcInVcIjozMDM2NTcxMyxcInZcIjoxLFwidXJsXCI6XCJodHRwOlxcXC9cXFwvd3d3LmF2YXN0LmNvbVxcXC9cIixcImlkXCI6XCI1MmIyYmEzODQyNDI0M2I4OTY3Njc5OGUzOTM0MzRmZFwiLFwidXJsX2lkc1wiOltcIjg5ODY1MDAwZTJiMGI1MDBiODliYTI1OTI4MDhlMjM2YWY4NjhkZmRcIl19In0 protection is active. Image removed by sender. Image removed by sender. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [Phono-L] Phono find of a lifetime
Hi Jamie. The 1912 version is a hard one to come by. Charley Hummel's copy is the one that was used to make those repros recently. I now of three selling at auction in the last 5 or 6 years, two went for around $300 and one went for 1000.00 in 2012. John Robles On Mar 9, 2015, at 3:50 AM, Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org wrote: I’m curious re the Edison Diamond Disc advertising record from 1912; can’t say I’ve seen a copy does it turn-up at all? Jamie From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] Sent: Monday, 9 March 2015 9:03 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono find of a lifetime Hi Steve She set her price. I am always hesitant about making an offer; I would rather the seller state their price and then negotiate to a deal that benefits us both. The price she quoted me was a little retailish, but not quite. What made the day was that there were 300 Diamond Discs, and among them were 9 Long Plays, one with its original sleeve; an Edison Diamond Disc advertising record from 1912; two Tuning Records; and a copy og Holiday Greetings from the Bunch at Orange! There were double copies of three of the long play records, and I put those three on eBay and they went for about $700. My friend Marc bought the machine and several records, and two Edison albums from a C-2 that were in the mix. I am left with the Diamond Disc cabinet (there's a tag on the bottom that says Recreation Cabinet - Thomas A. Edison Inc. - Orange NJ. Most of the discs are 51000 and 8 series. Many are unplayed dealer stock. All in all it was a great find! John Robles On Sunday, March 8, 2015 10:00 PM, Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org wrote: Obviously he bought the stuff from John. On Mar 8, 2015, at 9:30 PM, Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org wrote: Someone named Marc has this same story on the Talking Machine forum. - Original Message - From: Antique Phonograph List To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2015 11:00 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono find of a lifetime Great find John: So? I'm curious - maybe others are too as this does happen - did she set the price or did she ask for an offer? I won't pry on the $ but curious how it went. I had a slightly similar thing 30 years ago with an Amberola 1 A - where the woman asked for an offer and I gave her a fair one at the time (knowing that many of the records were common) She had no idea what she had and said that if I could increase offer by $25 I could have it. I did and I had it! Steve Ramm ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org mime-attachment.jpg This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.
Re: [Phono-L] Phono find of a lifetime
I’m curious re the Edison Diamond Disc advertising record from 1912; can’t say I’ve seen a copy does it turn-up at all? Jamie From: Antique Phonograph List [mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org] Sent: Monday, 9 March 2015 9:03 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono find of a lifetime Hi Steve She set her price. I am always hesitant about making an offer; I would rather the seller state their price and then negotiate to a deal that benefits us both. The price she quoted me was a little retailish, but not quite. What made the day was that there were 300 Diamond Discs, and among them were 9 Long Plays, one with its original sleeve; an Edison Diamond Disc advertising record from 1912; two Tuning Records; and a copy og Holiday Greetings from the Bunch at Orange! There were double copies of three of the long play records, and I put those three on eBay and they went for about $700. My friend Marc bought the machine and several records, and two Edison albums from a C-2 that were in the mix. I am left with the Diamond Disc cabinet (there's a tag on the bottom that says Recreation Cabinet - Thomas A. Edison Inc. - Orange NJ. Most of the discs are 51000 and 8 series. Many are unplayed dealer stock. All in all it was a great find! John Robles On Sunday, March 8, 2015 10:00 PM, Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org wrote: Obviously he bought the stuff from John. On Mar 8, 2015, at 9:30 PM, Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org wrote: Someone named Marc has this same story on the Talking Machine forum. - Original Message - From: Antique Phonograph List To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2015 11:00 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono find of a lifetime Great find John: So? I'm curious - maybe others are too as this does happen - did she set the price or did she ask for an offer? I won't pry on the $ but curious how it went. I had a slightly similar thing 30 years ago with an Amberola 1 A - where the woman asked for an offer and I gave her a fair one at the time (knowing that many of the records were common) She had no idea what she had and said that if I could increase offer by $25 I could have it. I did and I had it! Steve Ramm ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org http://mandrillapp.com/track/click/30365713/phono-l.org?p=eyJzIjoiY2JSRW5aSWNMNFJnSmFyU0pEWjJUM01aMUYwIiwidiI6MSwicCI6IntcInVcIjozMDM2NTcxMyxcInZcIjoxLFwidXJsXCI6XCJodHRwOlxcXC9cXFwvcGhvbm8tbC5vcmdcXFwvXCIsXCJpZFwiOlwiZDNkM2RmNTJhOWY5NDRlYmJkNTMxMWMxNTdkZmJkZjhcIixcInVybF9pZHNcIjpbXCJjZDRiZGQzNWI5MGE1ODZmZDZjMzczMGZmZGQzZWJhYTFkY2M2MjRiXCJdfSJ9 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org http://mandrillapp.com/track/click/30365713/phono-l.org?p=eyJzIjoiY2JSRW5aSWNMNFJnSmFyU0pEWjJUM01aMUYwIiwidiI6MSwicCI6IntcInVcIjozMDM2NTcxMyxcInZcIjoxLFwidXJsXCI6XCJodHRwOlxcXC9cXFwvcGhvbm8tbC5vcmdcXFwvXCIsXCJpZFwiOlwiZDNkM2RmNTJhOWY5NDRlYmJkNTMxMWMxNTdkZmJkZjhcIixcInVybF9pZHNcIjpbXCJjZDRiZGQzNWI5MGE1ODZmZDZjMzczMGZmZGQzZWJhYTFkY2M2MjRiXCJdfSJ9 Image removed by sender. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [Phono-L] Phono find of a lifetime
Hi Steve She set her price. I am always hesitant about making an offer; I would rather the seller state their price and then negotiate to a deal that benefits us both. The price she quoted me was a little retailish, but not quite. What made the day was that there were 300 Diamond Discs, and among them were 9 Long Plays, one with its original sleeve; an Edison Diamond Disc advertising record from 1912; two Tuning Records; and a copy og Holiday Greetings from the Bunch at Orange! There were double copies of three of the long play records, and I put those three on eBay and they went for about $700. My friend Marc bought the machine and several records, and two Edison albums from a C-2 that were in the mix. I am left with the Diamond Disc cabinet (there's a tag on the bottom that says Recreation Cabinet - Thomas A. Edison Inc. - Orange NJ. Most of the discs are 51000 and 8 series. Many are unplayed dealer stock. All in all it was a great find! John Robles On Sunday, March 8, 2015 10:00 PM, Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org wrote: Obviously he bought the stuff from John. On Mar 8, 2015, at 9:30 PM, Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org wrote: Someone named Marc has this same story on the Talking Machine forum. - Original Message - From: Antique Phonograph List To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2015 11:00 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono find of a lifetime Great find John: So? I'm curious - maybe others are too as this does happen - did she set the price or did she ask for an offer? I won't pry on the $ but curious how it went. I had a slightly similar thing 30 years ago with an Amberola 1 A - where the woman asked for an offer and I gave her a fair one at the time (knowing that many of the records were common) She had no idea what she had and said that if I could increase offer by $25 I could have it. I did and I had it! Steve Ramm ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono find of a lifetime
Obviously he bought the stuff from John. On Mar 8, 2015, at 9:30 PM, Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org wrote: Someone named Marc has this same story on the Talking Machine forum. - Original Message - From: Antique Phonograph List To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2015 11:00 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono find of a lifetime Great find John: So? I'm curious - maybe others are too as this does happen - did she set the price or did she ask for an offer? I won't pry on the $ but curious how it went. I had a slightly similar thing 30 years ago with an Amberola 1 A - where the woman asked for an offer and I gave her a fair one at the time (knowing that many of the records were common) She had no idea what she had and said that if I could increase offer by $25 I could have it. I did and I had it! Steve Ramm ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono find of a lifetime
Someone named Marc has this same story on the Talking Machine forum. - Original Message - From: Antique Phonograph List To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2015 11:00 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono find of a lifetime Great find John: So? I'm curious - maybe others are too as this does happen - did she set the price or did she ask for an offer? I won't pry on the $ but curious how it went. I had a slightly similar thing 30 years ago with an Amberola 1 A - where the woman asked for an offer and I gave her a fair one at the time (knowing that many of the records were common) She had no idea what she had and said that if I could increase offer by $25 I could have it. I did and I had it! Steve Ramm ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono find of a lifetime
Great find John: So? I'm curious - maybe others are too as this does happen - did she set the price or did she ask for an offer? I won't pry on the $ but curious how it went. I had a slightly similar thing 30 years ago with an Amberola 1 A - where the woman asked for an offer and I gave her a fair one at the time (knowing that many of the records were common) She had no idea what she had and said that if I could increase offer by $25 I could have it. I did and I had it! Steve Ramm
Re: [Phono-L] Phono find of a lifetime
You never know where you will find a gem. Can’t wait to see the pictures. Kat Hall From the Desk of Kat Hall Executive Assistant to Ms. Smith (Publisher) Champagne Book Group Review Coordinator Author Liaison www.champagnebooks.com www.carnalpassions.com www.burstbooks.ca From: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 11:41 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Phono find of a lifetime Good evening all. Great finds are the thing that keep us all searching out there, so I thought I would share mine. This is long, but worth the read, I think. Several weeks ago, I was in a friend's luthiery studio (he builds guitars) in this artists cooperative. The first friday of each month they have an open house for the public to come into the studios and look at (and hopefully buy) art. This couple came into my friend's studio, and we got to talking. The husband plays sax in a 10 piece big band here (does ten pieces qualify as a big band?). The husband and my friend were talking, and I was talking to the wife. I told her I was familiar with that vintage of music because I collected and repaired antique phonographs. She got all excited and said she had a phonograph and record cabinet she wanted to sell, along with a large number of Edison records. Her grandfather was an Edison dealer who sold Diamond Disc phonographs in Phoenix, Arizona. He sponsored Tone Tests at a local auditorium, and there was a lot of paper such as programs, photos of the artists, newspaper clippings praising the performances, Edison Advertising materials, etc. Sadly she wants to keep all that as it is part of her family history. So anyway I was on my way to her home, thinking it's probably a C250 or something. I arrived on the scene, and in her entrance hall was an Edison Beethoven Edisonic phonograph with the Long Play attachment and reproducer!! The reproducer was in its original holder and cloth bag. The record cabinet she mentioned happened to be an original Edison Diamond Disc cabinet!! If you have never seen one, it is a long, low cabinet made of quartersawn oak, with two long pull down doors, one above the other. Each of the two rows holds 80 Diamond Discs. But the fun was not over... There was an OroTone 78rpm attachment in original box with instructions, in excellent condition. There was also a small black notebook with the index of discs in it. And then there were the discs. Over three hundred Diamond Discs, mainly in the 51000 series. And although many were without sleeves, as they had been in the cabinet, they are in amazingly good condition, most in E to M condition. Some was the dealer's personal collection, some is dealer stock. There are multiples on a couple of titles. And then there were the nine Long Play discs, one of which had it's original sleeve. The numbers I got were two copies each if 10001, 10002 and 10003, and one copy each of 10005, 10006 and 10008. And then there were the really special dealer discs...There were three discs that had no markings, no label, and were recorded only on one side. Two of them turned out to be tuning records for setting the correct speed of the machines, and one was the December 1912 Edison Advertising Record! It was a disc that was played on a machine, and Harry Humphries extols the virtues of the new Edison Diamond Disc phonographs.and how they are better than any other. I started going through the discs before I even got them off my truck, and in an Edison sleeve with no hole cut where the label is, I found it. Holiday Greetings from the Bunch at Orange!!! No original sleeve, sorry to say. Tomorrow I go to pick up the machine and cabinet. I will upload photos then. John Robles
[Phono-L] Phono find of a lifetime
Good evening all. Great finds are the thing that keep us all searching out there, so I thought I would share mine. This is long, but worth the read, I think. Several weeks ago, I was in a friend's luthiery studio (he builds guitars) in this artists cooperative. The first friday of each month they have an open house for the public to come into the studios and look at (and hopefully buy) art. This couple came into my friend's studio, and we got to talking. The husband plays sax in a 10 piece big band here (does ten pieces qualify as a big band?). The husband and my friend were talking, and I was talking to the wife. I told her I was familiar with that vintage of music because I collected and repaired antique phonographs. She got all excited and said she had a phonograph and record cabinet she wanted to sell, along with a large number of Edison records. Her grandfather was an Edison dealer who sold Diamond Disc phonographs in Phoenix, Arizona. He sponsored Tone Tests at a local auditorium, and there was a lot of paper such as programs, photos of the artists, newspaper clippings praising the performances, Edison Advertising materials, etc. Sadly she wants to keep all that as it is part of her family history. So anyway I was on my way to her home, thinking it's probably a C250 or something. I arrived on the scene, and in her entrance hall was an Edison Beethoven Edisonic phonograph with the Long Play attachment and reproducer!! The reproducer was in its original holder and cloth bag. The record cabinet she mentioned happened to be an original Edison Diamond Disc cabinet!! If you have never seen one, it is a long, low cabinet made of quartersawn oak, with two long pull down doors, one above the other. Each of the two rows holds 80 Diamond Discs. But the fun was not over... There was an OroTone 78rpm attachment in original box with instructions, in excellent condition. There was also a small black notebook with the index of discs in it. And then there were the discs. Over three hundred Diamond Discs, mainly in the 51000 series. And although many were without sleeves, as they had been in the cabinet, they are in amazingly good condition, most in E to M condition. Some was the dealer's personal collection, some is dealer stock. There are multiples on a couple of titles. And then there were the nine Long Play discs, one of which had it's original sleeve. The numbers I got were two copies each if 10001, 10002 and 10003, and one copy each of 10005, 10006 and 10008. And then there were the really special dealer discs...There were three discs that had no markings, no label, and were recorded only on one side. Two of them turned out to be tuning records for setting the correct speed of the machines, and one was the December 1912 Edison Advertising Record! It was a disc that was played on a machine, and Harry Humphries extols the virtues of the new Edison Diamond Disc phonographs.and how they are better than any other. I started going through the discs before I even got them off my truck, and in an Edison sleeve with no hole cut where the label is, I found it. Holiday Greetings from the Bunch at Orange!!! No original sleeve, sorry to say. Tomorrow I go to pick up the machine and cabinet. I will upload photos then. John Robles
