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...and bicycles. From: ediso...@verizon.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 00:13:45 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? The most practical electric vehicle: http://cyanpdx.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Portland_streetcar.jpg (and yes, the last/best clean machine is still Human Power, which includes hand-wound phonos, push-mowers, and walking anyplace! ) - Original Message - From: Thatcher Graham thatc...@mediaguide.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 11:36 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? If you're going to gripe about lead, remember that the iron, steel and aluminum in all cars also mined, shipped and assembled and all leave a big dirty crater behind like all modern electronic and mechanical devices. I think the last clean machine on earth may be the old crank phonograph. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _ Stay in touch. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9712959 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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Hybrids are not yet what they are cracked up to be.I had an 2006 Lexus Rx400h its actual mileage, both in town on the road, was consistently 6 - 8 miles below its rated mileage. I don't think hybrid technology is yet perfected. One should wait for the next generation hybrids with more efficient batteries, etc. Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. jim...@earthlink.net [Original Message] From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 07-Mar-2010 10:37:07 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? nice, but more expensive than I can handle and it does not get great mileage. I'm not happy when I only get 28 to the gallon instead of 30. I wish I could afford a hybrid. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john9...@pacbell.net Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 7:43 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? I higly recommend the Suzuki XL7. Split back seats, lotsa features, I can fit a victrola xvi easily, comfortable..I love mine! John Robles --Original Message-- From: Ron L'Herault Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org To: 'Antique Phonograph List' ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? Sent: Mar 7, 2010 12:20 PM Dang, I was hoping the Honda Fit would be big enough for a common upright Victrola. It fills all my other criteria.What about the Kia Soul? and doesn't Hyundai have a hatchback? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of jim...@earthlink.net Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 2:47 PM To: Phono-L@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle? I am on the verge of getting a new vehicle thought I'd ask the advice of Phono-L members since, like myself, you all have need to haul antique phonographs. I'd like to have cargo capacity to transport the typical Victrola (XVI), the typical Edison Diamond Disc Phonograph (C-250) as well the Orthophonic Credenza - when I need to haul an Orthophonic changer or a Capehart, I'll continue to use my 1969 GMC pickup. I want a smaller, more economical 4 cylinder vehicle have looked at Hondas (all of which have too small a cargo area except the Element which I consider unattractive) Toyotas (Scion, Metric, RAV 4 Venza,all of which will accommodate the above mentioned machines) am leaning towards the RAV4 but thought it might be nice to get your input before making a final decision. Thanks! Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. jim...@earthlink.net ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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I just saw a commercial last night for Nissan's new all-electric vehicle. I wonder how far you get on a charge.. John Robles --- On Mon, 3/8/10, jim...@earthlink.net jim...@earthlink.net wrote: From: jim...@earthlink.net jim...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 9:11 AM Hybrids are not yet what they are cracked up to be. I had an 2006 Lexus Rx400h its actual mileage, both in town on the road, was consistently 6 - 8 miles below its rated mileage. I don't think hybrid technology is yet perfected. One should wait for the next generation hybrids with more efficient batteries, etc. Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. jim...@earthlink.net [Original Message] From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 07-Mar-2010 10:37:07 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? nice, but more expensive than I can handle and it does not get great mileage. I'm not happy when I only get 28 to the gallon instead of 30. I wish I could afford a hybrid. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john9...@pacbell.net Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 7:43 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? I higly recommend the Suzuki XL7. Split back seats, lotsa features, I can fit a victrola xvi easily, comfortable..I love mine! John Robles --Original Message-- From: Ron L'Herault Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org To: 'Antique Phonograph List' ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? Sent: Mar 7, 2010 12:20 PM Dang, I was hoping the Honda Fit would be big enough for a common upright Victrola. It fills all my other criteria. What about the Kia Soul? and doesn't Hyundai have a hatchback? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of jim...@earthlink.net Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 2:47 PM To: Phono-L@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle? I am on the verge of getting a new vehicle thought I'd ask the advice of Phono-L members since, like myself, you all have need to haul antique phonographs. I'd like to have cargo capacity to transport the typical Victrola (XVI), the typical Edison Diamond Disc Phonograph (C-250) as well the Orthophonic Credenza - when I need to haul an Orthophonic changer or a Capehart, I'll continue to use my 1969 GMC pickup. I want a smaller, more economical 4 cylinder vehicle have looked at Hondas (all of which have too small a cargo area except the Element which I consider unattractive) Toyotas (Scion, Metric, RAV 4 Venza,all of which will accommodate the above mentioned machines) am leaning towards the RAV4 but thought it might be nice to get your input before making a final decision. Thanks! Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. jim...@earthlink.net ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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Are there charging stations for these types of cars? I don't know how long they take to charge, but I would imagine at some point there will need to be places where they can be charged publicly. 100 miles is not a lot of ground to cover when you are scouring the countryside for phonographs! John --- On Mon, 3/8/10, DanKj ediso...@verizon.net wrote: From: DanKj ediso...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 10:57 AM They say 100 miles under ideal conditions. That's more than I drive each week, so such a car would suit me - except that I have no driveway so no place to plug it in ! The 'LEAF doesn't look Victrola-sized, either - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? I just saw a commercial last night for Nissan's new all-electric vehicle. I wonder how far you get on a charge.. John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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The elephant in the room that NOBODY ever talks about with these hybrid cars is the cost to replace the battery pack. Anybody who has ever owned a rechargeable anything knows that the battery is only good for about 3 years, advertising claims to the contrary. The published cost of the battery pack for the Toyota Prius is about $3,000. Anyone who has any thought of buying a used Prius had better be prepared to shuck out another 3 grand very quickly to actually keep the thing on the road. And the estimated battery cost of the new Chebby Volt is about 8 GRAND! No wonder the car is set to retail for 40 grand. Until there is an economical way to lease or trade in these battery packs, the whole economical, money saving baloney about operating one of these cars is just a pipe dream. It makes good advertising malarkey, but owners of these cars are in for a rude awakening sooner rather than later. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? Are there charging stations for these types of cars? I don't know how long they take to charge, but I would imagine at some point there will need to be places where they can be charged publicly. 100 miles is not a lot of ground to cover when you are scouring the countryside for phonographs! John --- On Mon, 3/8/10, DanKj ediso...@verizon.net wrote: From: DanKj ediso...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 10:57 AM They say 100 miles under ideal conditions. That's more than I drive each week, so such a car would suit me - except that I have no driveway so no place to plug it in ! The 'LEAF doesn't look Victrola-sized, either - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? I just saw a commercial last night for Nissan's new all-electric vehicle. I wonder how far you get on a charge.. John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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ISTR that house current charges it in 16 hours. 220V in about 5 and special 440 hook ups in a hour or two. Ron -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john robles Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 2:02 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? Are there charging stations for these types of cars? I don't know how long they take to charge, but I would imagine at some point there will need to be places where they can be charged publicly. 100 miles is not a lot of ground to cover when you are scouring the countryside for phonographs! John --- On Mon, 3/8/10, DanKj ediso...@verizon.net wrote: From: DanKj ediso...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 10:57 AM They say 100 miles under ideal conditions. That's more than I drive each week, so such a car would suit me - except that I have no driveway so no place to plug it in ! The 'LEAF doesn't look Victrola-sized, either - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? I just saw a commercial last night for Nissan's new all-electric vehicle. I wonder how far you get on a charge.. John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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I agree recently sold my 07 Camry Hybrid, just in time with the problems Toyota is having. Now have a Chevy HHR that gets about 5 miles to the gallon less than the hybrid ! Also a good part of the trunk in the hybrid was taken up by the batteries, My HHR can carry a whole lot more including at least one large Victrola. The downside Chevy makes the HHR in Mexico. Jim Galoppa - Original Message - From: jim...@earthlink.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 8, 2010 12:11:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? Hybrids are not yet what they are cracked up to be. I had an 2006 Lexus Rx400h its actual mileage, both in town on the road, was consistently 6 - 8 miles below its rated mileage. I don't think hybrid technology is yet perfected. One should wait for the next generation hybrids with more efficient batteries, etc. Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. jim...@earthlink.net [Original Message] From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 07-Mar-2010 10:37:07 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? nice, but more expensive than I can handle and it does not get great mileage. I'm not happy when I only get 28 to the gallon instead of 30. I wish I could afford a hybrid. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john9...@pacbell.net Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 7:43 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? I higly recommend the Suzuki XL7. Split back seats, lotsa features, I can fit a victrola xvi easily, comfortable..I love mine! John Robles --Original Message-- From: Ron L'Herault Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org To: 'Antique Phonograph List' ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? Sent: Mar 7, 2010 12:20 PM Dang, I was hoping the Honda Fit would be big enough for a common upright Victrola. It fills all my other criteria. What about the Kia Soul? and doesn't Hyundai have a hatchback? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of jim...@earthlink.net Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 2:47 PM To: Phono-L@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle? I am on the verge of getting a new vehicle thought I'd ask the advice of Phono-L members since, like myself, you all have need to haul antique phonographs. I'd like to have cargo capacity to transport the typical Victrola (XVI), the typical Edison Diamond Disc Phonograph (C-250) as well the Orthophonic Credenza - when I need to haul an Orthophonic changer or a Capehart, I'll continue to use my 1969 GMC pickup. I want a smaller, more economical 4 cylinder vehicle have looked at Hondas (all of which have too small a cargo area except the Element which I consider unattractive) Toyotas (Scion, Metric, RAV 4 Venza,all of which will accommodate the above mentioned machines) am leaning towards the RAV4 but thought it might be nice to get your input before making a final decision. Thanks! Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. jim...@earthlink.net ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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Time to buy a horse and cart! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Greg Bogantz gbogan...@charter.net Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 14:19:22 To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? The elephant in the room that NOBODY ever talks about with these hybrid cars is the cost to replace the battery pack. Anybody who has ever owned a rechargeable anything knows that the battery is only good for about 3 years, advertising claims to the contrary. The published cost of the battery pack for the Toyota Prius is about $3,000. Anyone who has any thought of buying a used Prius had better be prepared to shuck out another 3 grand very quickly to actually keep the thing on the road. And the estimated battery cost of the new Chebby Volt is about 8 GRAND! No wonder the car is set to retail for 40 grand. Until there is an economical way to lease or trade in these battery packs, the whole economical, money saving baloney about operating one of these cars is just a pipe dream. It makes good advertising malarkey, but owners of these cars are in for a rude awakening sooner rather than later. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? Are there charging stations for these types of cars? I don't know how long they take to charge, but I would imagine at some point there will need to be places where they can be charged publicly. 100 miles is not a lot of ground to cover when you are scouring the countryside for phonographs! John --- On Mon, 3/8/10, DanKj ediso...@verizon.net wrote: From: DanKj ediso...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 10:57 AM They say 100 miles under ideal conditions. That's more than I drive each week, so such a car would suit me - except that I have no driveway so no place to plug it in ! The 'LEAF doesn't look Victrola-sized, either - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? I just saw a commercial last night for Nissan's new all-electric vehicle. I wonder how far you get on a charge.. John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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Agreed. I'd love an economical new 4-wheel drive with ABS brakes, large enough for stuff. But frankly, battery power doesn't seem like the way to go. I'm stickin' with my 13 year old Honda CRV (traction-control) which has over 120K miles and still gets about 24-26 MPG...until something better comes out, like a Hydrogen converter...if I live that long. ;) Mom's little 2001 Honda Civic get 38 MPG. It has tilt forward rear seats and is amazinly accomodative (7-8ft lumber). The size limitation is the width/height of the trunk entry area...too bad. You'd think that whatever technology went into that little 9-year old car could have been expanded to include larger vehicles, wouldn't ya? Ger ger55 on ebay; ge...@comcast.net Victorian Glass Plus! http://www.tias.com/stores/vgpp http://groups.yahoo.com/group/glass_antique_and_old/ - Original Message - From: Greg Bogantz To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? The elephant in the room that NOBODY ever talks about with these hybrid cars is the cost to replace the battery pack. Anybody who has ever owned a rechargeable anything knows that the battery is only good for about 3 years, advertising claims to the contrary. The published cost of the battery pack for the Toyota Prius is about $3,000. Anyone who has any thought of buying a used Prius had better be prepared to shuck out another 3 grand very quickly to actually keep the thing on the road. And the estimated battery cost of the new Chebby Volt is about 8 GRAND! No wonder the car is set to retail for 40 grand. Until there is an economical way to lease or trade in these battery packs, the whole economical, money saving baloney about operating one of these cars is just a pipe dream. It makes good advertising malarkey, but owners of these cars are in for a rude awakening sooner rather than later. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? Are there charging stations for these types of cars? I don't know how long they take to charge, but I would imagine at some point there will need to be places where they can be charged publicly. 100 miles is not a lot of ground to cover when you are scouring the countryside for phonographs! John --- On Mon, 3/8/10, DanKj ediso...@verizon.net wrote: From: DanKj ediso...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 10:57 AM They say 100 miles under ideal conditions. That's more than I drive each week, so such a car would suit me - except that I have no driveway so no place to plug it in ! The 'LEAF doesn't look Victrola-sized, either - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? I just saw a commercial last night for Nissan's new all-electric vehicle. I wonder how far you get on a charge.. John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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I've been thinking about a new phonomobile and I'm leaning towards a Suburu Outback. I'm also attracted to the VW Passat diesel wagon. I've owned a couple of VW's and even my diesel Rabbit was fun to drive. I drove it to CAPS a couple of times. Once I removed the back seat so I could deliver an L door Victrola. There was room for the Victrola as well as four or five horn machines, luggage and Mike Stitt. Jerry Blais ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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HI ALL For my two cents i have a corvette and a avalanche they are both great cars and great mileage on the vette the avalanche is a great truck but the mileage is not seems all cars have some problems i e the nissans and toyotas in the news lately too its a mechanical device and like even phonographs can have some problems just my thoughts zono In a message dated 3/8/2010 12:41:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jim...@earthlink.net writes: Hybrids are not yet what they are cracked up to be.I had an 2006 Lexus Rx400h its actual mileage, both in town on the road, was consistently 6 - 8 miles below its rated mileage. I don't think hybrid technology is yet perfected. One should wait for the next generation hybrids with more efficient batteries, etc. Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. jim...@earthlink.net [Original Message] From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 07-Mar-2010 10:37:07 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? nice, but more expensive than I can handle and it does not get great mileage. I'm not happy when I only get 28 to the gallon instead of 30. I wish I could afford a hybrid. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john9...@pacbell.net Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 7:43 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? I higly recommend the Suzuki XL7. Split back seats, lotsa features, I can fit a victrola xvi easily, comfortable..I love mine! John Robles --Original Message-- From: Ron L'Herault Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org To: 'Antique Phonograph List' ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? Sent: Mar 7, 2010 12:20 PM Dang, I was hoping the Honda Fit would be big enough for a common upright Victrola. It fills all my other criteria.What about the Kia Soul? and doesn't Hyundai have a hatchback? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of jim...@earthlink.net Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 2:47 PM To: Phono-L@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle? I am on the verge of getting a new vehicle thought I'd ask the advice of Phono-L members since, like myself, you all have need to haul antique phonographs. I'd like to have cargo capacity to transport the typical Victrola (XVI), the typical Edison Diamond Disc Phonograph (C-250) as well the Orthophonic Credenza - when I need to haul an Orthophonic changer or a Capehart, I'll continue to use my 1969 GMC pickup. I want a smaller, more economical 4 cylinder vehicle have looked at Hondas (all of which have too small a cargo area except the Element which I consider unattractive) Toyotas (Scion, Metric, RAV 4 Venza,all of which will accommodate the above mentioned machines) am leaning towards the RAV4 but thought it might be nice to get your input before making a final decision. Thanks! Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. jim...@earthlink.net ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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Greg, I have to point out that while $3,00 sounds like a lot, that cash is off set by paying the equivalent of about $1 a gallon for gas. For example: I gas up once a week, at a cost of about $30. That's over $1,500 the first year, a total of $4,680 in 3 years. Even if the batteries all die in 3 years, I came out ahead. But granted. 3 grand is a helluva tune up. Greg Bogantz wrote: The elephant in the room that NOBODY ever talks about with these hybrid cars is the cost to replace the battery pack. Anybody who has ever owned a rechargeable anything knows that the battery is only good for about 3 years, advertising claims to the contrary. The published cost of the battery pack for the Toyota Prius is about $3,000. Anyone who has any thought of buying a used Prius had better be prepared to shuck out another 3 grand very quickly to actually keep the thing on the road. And the estimated battery cost of the new Chebby Volt is about 8 GRAND! No wonder the car is set to retail for 40 grand. Until there is an economical way to lease or trade in these battery packs, the whole economical, money saving baloney about operating one of these cars is just a pipe dream. It makes good advertising malarkey, but owners of these cars are in for a rude awakening sooner rather than later. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? Are there charging stations for these types of cars? I don't know how long they take to charge, but I would imagine at some point there will need to be places where they can be charged publicly. 100 miles is not a lot of ground to cover when you are scouring the countryside for phonographs! John --- On Mon, 3/8/10, DanKj ediso...@verizon.net wrote: From: DanKj ediso...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 10:57 AM They say 100 miles under ideal conditions. That's more than I drive each week, so such a car would suit me - except that I have no driveway so no place to plug it in ! The 'LEAF doesn't look Victrola-sized, either - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? I just saw a commercial last night for Nissan's new all-electric vehicle. I wonder how far you get on a charge.. John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- Thatcher Graham Senior Field Engineer ph. 610-578-0800 x214 cell: 484-354-6918 fx. 610-578-0804 Mediaguide 640 Freedom Business Ctr. STE 305 King of Prussia, PA 19406 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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My suggestion is a BMW Z3 and forget about hauling phonographs or you could attach a trailer. I have one and its a great car and fun to drive, not to mention the prices have come down on them. Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 16:01:23 -0800 From: deedeebl...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle I've been thinking about a new phonomobile and I'm leaning towards a Suburu Outback. I'm also attracted to the VW Passat diesel wagon. I've owned a couple of VW's and even my diesel Rabbit was fun to drive. I drove it to CAPS a couple of times. Once I removed the back seat so I could deliver an L door Victrola. There was room for the Victrola as well as four or five horn machines, luggage and Mike Stitt. Jerry Blais ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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Did you all see the news tonight from California? I Police vehicle had to get in front of a Toyota and slow it to a stop as the driver called 911 as his car was stuck at 90 MPH and he couldn't slow or stop it? Fords are looking really good to me these days. -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of zonophone2...@aol.com Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 6:01 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? HI ALL For my two cents i have a corvette and a avalanche they are both great cars and great mileage on the vette the avalanche is a great truck but the mileage is not seems all cars have some problems i e the nissans and toyotas in the news lately too its a mechanical device and like even phonographs can have some problems just my thoughts zono In a message dated 3/8/2010 12:41:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jim...@earthlink.net writes: Hybrids are not yet what they are cracked up to be.I had an 2006 Lexus Rx400h its actual mileage, both in town on the road, was consistently 6 - 8 miles below its rated mileage. I don't think hybrid technology is yet perfected. One should wait for the next generation hybrids with more efficient batteries, etc. Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. jim...@earthlink.net [Original Message] From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 07-Mar-2010 10:37:07 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? nice, but more expensive than I can handle and it does not get great mileage. I'm not happy when I only get 28 to the gallon instead of 30. I wish I could afford a hybrid. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john9...@pacbell.net Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 7:43 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? I higly recommend the Suzuki XL7. Split back seats, lotsa features, I can fit a victrola xvi easily, comfortable..I love mine! John Robles --Original Message-- From: Ron L'Herault Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org To: 'Antique Phonograph List' ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? Sent: Mar 7, 2010 12:20 PM Dang, I was hoping the Honda Fit would be big enough for a common upright Victrola. It fills all my other criteria.What about the Kia Soul? and doesn't Hyundai have a hatchback? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of jim...@earthlink.net Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 2:47 PM To: Phono-L@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle? I am on the verge of getting a new vehicle thought I'd ask the advice of Phono-L members since, like myself, you all have need to haul antique phonographs. I'd like to have cargo capacity to transport the typical Victrola (XVI), the typical Edison Diamond Disc Phonograph (C-250) as well the Orthophonic Credenza - when I need to haul an Orthophonic changer or a Capehart, I'll continue to use my 1969 GMC pickup. I want a smaller, more economical 4 cylinder vehicle have looked at Hondas (all of which have too small a cargo area except the Element which I consider unattractive) Toyotas (Scion, Metric, RAV 4 Venza,all of which will accommodate the above mentioned machines) am leaning towards the RAV4 but thought it might be nice to get your input before making a final decision. Thanks! Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. jim...@earthlink.net ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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Do some reading on the environmental impact of producing the batteries for these cars. The raw materials that are taken from the planet leave the surrounding area a toxic waste dump. Those materials are then shipped to the opposite side of the world in ships where the batteries are built. Then they are shipped back to the United States in the same ships to be put into the cars. What do we do with the spent batteries once they are replaced? Landfills? No savings is realized whatsoever and the planet is ravaged in the process. I put my hopes into REALLY energy efficient gas or diesel vehicles or hydrogen. They are possible, but manufacturers aren't motivated to make them as consumers continue to buy the old technology. Consumers simply need to stop purchasing vehicles that pollute and vote with their pocketbooks. Greedy corporations will come around when their bottom lines are ravaged. It's the only way to grab their attention and get real change. -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Thatcher Graham Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 7:06 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? Greg, I have to point out that while $3,00 sounds like a lot, that cash is off set by paying the equivalent of about $1 a gallon for gas. For example: I gas up once a week, at a cost of about $30. That's over $1,500 the first year, a total of $4,680 in 3 years. Even if the batteries all die in 3 years, I came out ahead. But granted. 3 grand is a helluva tune up. Greg Bogantz wrote: The elephant in the room that NOBODY ever talks about with these hybrid cars is the cost to replace the battery pack. Anybody who has ever owned a rechargeable anything knows that the battery is only good for about 3 years, advertising claims to the contrary. The published cost of the battery pack for the Toyota Prius is about $3,000. Anyone who has any thought of buying a used Prius had better be prepared to shuck out another 3 grand very quickly to actually keep the thing on the road. And the estimated battery cost of the new Chebby Volt is about 8 GRAND! No wonder the car is set to retail for 40 grand. Until there is an economical way to lease or trade in these battery packs, the whole economical, money saving baloney about operating one of these cars is just a pipe dream. It makes good advertising malarkey, but owners of these cars are in for a rude awakening sooner rather than later. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? Are there charging stations for these types of cars? I don't know how long they take to charge, but I would imagine at some point there will need to be places where they can be charged publicly. 100 miles is not a lot of ground to cover when you are scouring the countryside for phonographs! John --- On Mon, 3/8/10, DanKj ediso...@verizon.net wrote: From: DanKj ediso...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 10:57 AM They say 100 miles under ideal conditions. That's more than I drive each week, so such a car would suit me - except that I have no driveway so no place to plug it in ! The 'LEAF doesn't look Victrola-sized, either - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? I just saw a commercial last night for Nissan's new all-electric vehicle. I wonder how far you get on a charge.. John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- Thatcher Graham Senior Field Engineer ph. 610-578-0800 x214 cell: 484-354-6918 fx. 610-578-0804 Mediaguide 640 Freedom Business Ctr. STE 305 King of Prussia, PA 19406 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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If you're going to gripe about lead, remember that the iron, steel and aluminum in all cars also mined, shipped and assembled and all leave a big dirty crater behind like all modern electronic and mechanical devices. I think the last clean machine on earth may be the old crank phonograph. Tom Jordan wrote: Do some reading on the environmental impact of producing the batteries for these cars. The raw materials that are taken from the planet leave the surrounding area a toxic waste dump. Those materials are then shipped to the opposite side of the world in ships where the batteries are built. Then they are shipped back to the United States in the same ships to be put into the cars. What do we do with the spent batteries once they are replaced? Landfills? No savings is realized whatsoever and the planet is ravaged in the process. I put my hopes into REALLY energy efficient gas or diesel vehicles or hydrogen. They are possible, but manufacturers aren't motivated to make them as consumers continue to buy the old technology. Consumers simply need to stop purchasing vehicles that pollute and vote with their pocketbooks. Greedy corporations will come around when their bottom lines are ravaged. It's the only way to grab their attention and get real change. -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Thatcher Graham Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 7:06 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? Greg, I have to point out that while $3,00 sounds like a lot, that cash is off set by paying the equivalent of about $1 a gallon for gas. For example: I gas up once a week, at a cost of about $30. That's over $1,500 the first year, a total of $4,680 in 3 years. Even if the batteries all die in 3 years, I came out ahead. But granted. 3 grand is a helluva tune up. Greg Bogantz wrote: The elephant in the room that NOBODY ever talks about with these hybrid cars is the cost to replace the battery pack. Anybody who has ever owned a rechargeable anything knows that the battery is only good for about 3 years, advertising claims to the contrary. The published cost of the battery pack for the Toyota Prius is about $3,000. Anyone who has any thought of buying a used Prius had better be prepared to shuck out another 3 grand very quickly to actually keep the thing on the road. And the estimated battery cost of the new Chebby Volt is about 8 GRAND! No wonder the car is set to retail for 40 grand. Until there is an economical way to lease or trade in these battery packs, the whole economical, money saving baloney about operating one of these cars is just a pipe dream. It makes good advertising malarkey, but owners of these cars are in for a rude awakening sooner rather than later. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? Are there charging stations for these types of cars? I don't know how long they take to charge, but I would imagine at some point there will need to be places where they can be charged publicly. 100 miles is not a lot of ground to cover when you are scouring the countryside for phonographs! John --- On Mon, 3/8/10, DanKj ediso...@verizon.net wrote: From: DanKj ediso...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 10:57 AM They say 100 miles under ideal conditions. That's more than I drive each week, so such a car would suit me - except that I have no driveway so no place to plug it in ! The 'LEAF doesn't look Victrola-sized, either - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? I just saw a commercial last night for Nissan's new all-electric vehicle. I wonder how far you get on a charge.. John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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In a message dated 3/8/10 9:41:18 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, thatc...@mediaguide.com writes: If you're going to gripe about lead, remember that the iron, steel and aluminum in all cars also mined, shipped and assembled and all leave a big dirty crater behind like all modern electronic and mechanical devices. I think the last clean machine on earth may be the old crank phonograph. If I remember accurately, the question posed concerned the best vehicle to transport a phonograph--not the greenest vehicle, nor the cheapest vehicle. For my two cents, I think that any small wagon with fold down rear seats will handle a floor model Edison or Victrola. (But not a mini wagon) If you plan on carrying multiple phonos, then a van is certainly going to work better. I have an Audi A4 wagon and it handled a large Victor floor model Radio-phono easily. 30 miles per gallon on the road is enough for me at this time. Now, for those looking for the most ecologically sound vehicle, I think the most appropriate would be a wind up. I'm still waiting for GE, as the descendant of the Edison Company, to come out with one. Art Heller ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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The most practical electric vehicle: http://cyanpdx.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Portland_streetcar.jpg (and yes, the last/best clean machine is still Human Power, which includes hand-wound phonos, push-mowers, and walking anyplace! ) - Original Message - From: Thatcher Graham thatc...@mediaguide.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 11:36 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? If you're going to gripe about lead, remember that the iron, steel and aluminum in all cars also mined, shipped and assembled and all leave a big dirty crater behind like all modern electronic and mechanical devices. I think the last clean machine on earth may be the old crank phonograph. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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I am on the verge of getting a new vehicle thought I'd ask the advice of Phono-L members since, like myself, you all have need to haul antique phonographs. I'd like to have cargo capacity to transport the typical Victrola (XVI), the typical Edison Diamond Disc Phonograph (C-250) as well the Orthophonic Credenza - when I need to haul an Orthophonic changer or a Capehart, I'll continue to use my 1969 GMC pickup. I want a smaller, more economical 4 cylinder vehicle have looked at Hondas (all of which have too small a cargo area except the Element which I consider unattractive) Toyotas (Scion, Metric, RAV 4 Venza,all of which will accommodate the above mentioned machines) am leaning towards the RAV4 but thought it might be nice to get your input before making a final decision. Thanks! Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. jim...@earthlink.net ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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Dang, I was hoping the Honda Fit would be big enough for a common upright Victrola. It fills all my other criteria.What about the Kia Soul? and doesn't Hyundai have a hatchback? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of jim...@earthlink.net Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 2:47 PM To: Phono-L@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle? I am on the verge of getting a new vehicle thought I'd ask the advice of Phono-L members since, like myself, you all have need to haul antique phonographs. I'd like to have cargo capacity to transport the typical Victrola (XVI), the typical Edison Diamond Disc Phonograph (C-250) as well the Orthophonic Credenza - when I need to haul an Orthophonic changer or a Capehart, I'll continue to use my 1969 GMC pickup. I want a smaller, more economical 4 cylinder vehicle have looked at Hondas (all of which have too small a cargo area except the Element which I consider unattractive) Toyotas (Scion, Metric, RAV 4 Venza,all of which will accommodate the above mentioned machines) am leaning towards the RAV4 but thought it might be nice to get your input before making a final decision. Thanks! Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. jim...@earthlink.net ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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Have you looked at any American made cars? Dave edu wrote: From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 3:20 PM Dang, I was hoping the Honda Fit would be big enough for a common upright Victrola. It fills all my other criteria. What about the Kia Soul? and doesn't Hyundai have a hatchback? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of jim...@earthlink.net Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 2:47 PM To: Phono-L@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle? I am on the verge of getting a new vehicle thought I'd ask the advice of Phono-L members since, like myself, you all have need to haul antique phonographs. I'd like to have cargo capacity to transport the typical Victrola (XVI), the typical Edison Diamond Disc Phonograph (C-250) as well the Orthophonic Credenza - when I need to haul an Orthophonic changer or a Capehart, I'll continue to use my 1969 GMC pickup. I want a smaller, more economical 4 cylinder vehicle have looked at Hondas (all of which have too small a cargo area except the Element which I consider unattractive) Toyotas (Scion, Metric, RAV 4 Venza,all of which will accommodate the above mentioned machines) am leaning towards the RAV4 but thought it might be nice to get your input before making a final decision. Thanks! Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. jim...@earthlink.net ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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I'm rather short, at 5.25 and rarely find an American vehicle that I can get a comfortable driving position in and still both reach the pedals and see over the hood while not being too close to the wheel. They are usually softer sprung and don't get the mileage I'm used to getting. For the first 10 years or so of my driving life, I drove nothing but Triumphs (I still own a TR-6) and like the feel off the road, responsive steering and quick cornering the Japanese cars deliver. I still drive a stick so even these small cars (my current daily driver is a 1999 Kia Sephia 5 speed with 130K on it) are pretty peppy. Ron -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of David Dazer Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 4:58 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? Have you looked at any American made cars? Dave edu wrote: From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 3:20 PM Dang, I was hoping the Honda Fit would be big enough for a common upright Victrola. It fills all my other criteria. What about the Kia Soul? and doesn't Hyundai have a hatchback? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of jim...@earthlink.net Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 2:47 PM To: Phono-L@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle? I am on the verge of getting a new vehicle thought I'd ask the advice of Phono-L members since, like myself, you all have need to haul antique phonographs. I'd like to have cargo capacity to transport the typical Victrola (XVI), the typical Edison Diamond Disc Phonograph (C-250) as well the Orthophonic Credenza - when I need to haul an Orthophonic changer or a Capehart, I'll continue to use my 1969 GMC pickup. I want a smaller, more economical 4 cylinder vehicle have looked at Hondas (all of which have too small a cargo area except the Element which I consider unattractive) Toyotas (Scion, Metric, RAV 4 Venza,all of which will accommodate the above mentioned machines) am leaning towards the RAV4 but thought it might be nice to get your input before making a final decision. Thanks! Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. jim...@earthlink.net ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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Subaru Forester is my hearty recommendation. Mileage in the high 20s, carlike ride, and extremely durable. Hauls phonos like nobody's business. Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Mar 7, 2010, at 11:46 AM, jim...@earthlink.net jim...@earthlink.net wrote: I am on the verge of getting a new vehicle thought I'd ask the advice of Phono-L members since, like myself, you all have need to haul antique phonographs. I'd like to have cargo capacity to transport the typical Victrola (XVI), the typical Edison Diamond Disc Phonograph (C-250) as well the Orthophonic Credenza - when I need to haul an Orthophonic changer or a Capehart, I'll continue to use my 1969 GMC pickup.I want a smaller, more economical 4 cylinder vehicle have looked at Hondas (all of which have too small a cargo area except the Element which I consider unattractive) Toyotas (Scion, Metric, RAV 4 Venza,all of which will accommodate the above mentioned machines) am leaning towards the RAV4 but thought it might be nice to get your input before making a final decision. Thanks! Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. jim...@earthlink.net ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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Peter, I had that same dilemma a couple of years ago.When my Ford Taurus wagon died, I was looking for either another wagon, a minivan or a small SUV. I ended up getting a 3006 SuzukiForenza wagon. It may be small, but I can haul a VVVXI, or a VV Credenza, or an Edison C-250. It gets great mileage, 30mpg in town and 37mpg on the highway. It rides very smooth and has a big car feel. Harvey Kravitz From: Peter Fraser pjfra...@mac.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, March 7, 2010 2:12:47 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? Subaru Forester is my hearty recommendation. Mileage in the high 20s, carlike ride, and extremely durable. Hauls phonos like nobody's business. Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Mar 7, 2010, at 11:46 AM, jim...@earthlink.net jim...@earthlink.net wrote: I am on the verge of getting a new vehicle thought I'd ask the advice of Phono-L members since, like myself, you all have need to haul antique phonographs. I'd like to have cargo capacity to transport the typical Victrola (XVI), the typical Edison Diamond Disc Phonograph (C-250) as well the Orthophonic Credenza - when I need to haul an Orthophonic changer or a Capehart, I'll continue to use my 1969 GMC pickup. I want a smaller, more economical 4 cylinder vehicle have looked at Hondas (all of which have too small a cargo area except the Element which I consider unattractive) Toyotas (Scion, Metric, RAV 4 Venza,all of which will accommodate the above mentioned machines) am leaning towards the RAV4 but thought it might be nice to get your input before making a final decision. Thanks! Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. jim...@earthlink.net ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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Jim, This is only my personal experience - - which may be counter to everyone else's. We had a 2002 Toyota Rav 4 which we liked very much until last summer when the transmission self-destructed at 120,000 miles. (I'm a stickler for maintenance - - our other vehicle is a Chevy Astro van with 244,000 miles on it and continues to deliver daily dependability.) Our Rav 4 received regular maintenance including tranny flushes every 30,000 miles, and I had the service records. But it turned out that Toyota was having software problems and the computer was sending bad signals to the transmission which caused it to shift at inappropriate times and resulted in its destruction. The Toyota dealer who evaluated the problem said that they've been seeing this problem a lot in Rav 4s, and had received several Dealer Alerts from Toyota on the subject. The guy knew what the problem was on the phone even before I brought in the vehicle! Bottom line: despite this being a manufacturer's defect, Toyota did not stand behind the product since it was off warranty. The only o ption they offered us was to replace the entire transmission for $4500.00. We dumped the Rav 4 that week and bought a new Subaru Forester (which has loads of cargo capacity). So far so good with the Forester - - it's superb in the snow and gets 29-30 mpg on the highway. Anyhow, although we've had 2 Toyotas in the past, I don't see us ever buying another simply because of the dependability issue we (and reportedly many others) experienced. Had the company stood behind the problem, I'd feel differently. As long as you're driving a 1969 GMC pickup, it's suggestive that you're not wed to driving a new vehicle. I'd recommend finding a good used Chevy Astro van (they're no longer being manufactured). The 4.3 V-6 is a fabulous motor, and the transmissions are virtually bulletproof (ours is the original). More than adequate cargo room, and all dry, cozy, and heated/air conditioned. I've owned two since 1988 and loved them both. When my present one dies, I'll follow my own advice and look for another one. Whatever you decide, good luck! George P. -Original Message- From: jim...@earthlink.net jim...@earthlink.net To: Phono-L@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, Mar 7, 2010 2:46 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle? I am on the verge of getting a new vehicle thought I'd ask the advice of Phono-L members since, like myself, you all have need to haul antique phonographs. I'd like to have cargo capacity to transport the typical Victrola (XVI), the typical Edison Diamond Disc Phonograph (C-250) as well the Orthophonic Credenza - when I need to haul an Orthophonic changer or a Capehart, I'll continue to use my 1969 GMC pickup. I want a smaller, more economical 4 cylinder vehicle have looked at Hondas (all of which have too small a cargo area except the Element which I consider unattractive) Toyotas (Scion, Metric, RAV 4 Venza,all of which will accommodate the above mentioned machines) am leaning towards the RAV4 but thought it might be nice to get your input before making a final decision. Thanks! Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. jim...@earthlink.net ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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Do your Grandchildren a favor and Buy American. There are plenty of domestic vehicles to suit your needs, Regards, Joe Filer --- On Sun, 3/7/10, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 3:20 PM Dang, I was hoping the Honda Fit would be big enough for a common upright Victrola. It fills all my other criteria. What about the Kia Soul? and doesn't Hyundai have a hatchback? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of jim...@earthlink.net Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 2:47 PM To: Phono-L@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle? I am on the verge of getting a new vehicle thought I'd ask the advice of Phono-L members since, like myself, you all have need to haul antique phonographs. I'd like to have cargo capacity to transport the typical Victrola (XVI), the typical Edison Diamond Disc Phonograph (C-250) as well the Orthophonic Credenza - when I need to haul an Orthophonic changer or a Capehart, I'll continue to use my 1969 GMC pickup. I want a smaller, more economical 4 cylinder vehicle have looked at Hondas (all of which have too small a cargo area except the Element which I consider unattractive) Toyotas (Scion, Metric, RAV 4 Venza,all of which will accommodate the above mentioned machines) am leaning towards the RAV4 but thought it might be nice to get your input before making a final decision. Thanks! Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. jim...@earthlink.net ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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I bought a '99 Dodge Caravan ... then checked the VIN ... Made in Windsor, Ontario. O Canada ! - Original Message - From: Joe Filer filerph...@bellsouth.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? Do your Grandchildren a favor and Buy American. There are plenty of domestic vehicles to suit your needs, ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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That implies a Ford... Joe Filer wrote: Do your Grandchildren a favor and Buy American. There are plenty of domestic vehicles to suit your needs, Regards, Joe Filer --- On Sun, 3/7/10, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 3:20 PM Dang, I was hoping the Honda Fit would be big enough for a common upright Victrola. It fills all my other criteria.What about the Kia Soul? and doesn't Hyundai have a hatchback? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of jim...@earthlink.net Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 2:47 PM To: Phono-L@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle? I am on the verge of getting a new vehicle thought I'd ask the advice of Phono-L members since, like myself, you all have need to haul antique phonographs. I'd like to have cargo capacity to transport the typical Victrola (XVI), the typical Edison Diamond Disc Phonograph (C-250) as well the Orthophonic Credenza - when I need to haul an Orthophonic changer or a Capehart, I'll continue to use my 1969 GMC pickup. I want a smaller, more economical 4 cylinder vehicle have looked at Hondas (all of which have too small a cargo area except the Element which I consider unattractive) Toyotas (Scion, Metric, RAV 4 Venza,all of which will accommodate the above mentioned machines) am leaning towards the RAV4 but thought it might be nice to get your input before making a final decision. Thanks! Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. jim...@earthlink.net ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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I higly recommend the Suzuki XL7. Split back seats, lotsa features, I can fit a victrola xvi easily, comfortable..I love mine! John Robles --Original Message-- From: Ron L'Herault Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org To: 'Antique Phonograph List' ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? Sent: Mar 7, 2010 12:20 PM Dang, I was hoping the Honda Fit would be big enough for a common upright Victrola. It fills all my other criteria.What about the Kia Soul? and doesn't Hyundai have a hatchback? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of jim...@earthlink.net Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 2:47 PM To: Phono-L@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle? I am on the verge of getting a new vehicle thought I'd ask the advice of Phono-L members since, like myself, you all have need to haul antique phonographs. I'd like to have cargo capacity to transport the typical Victrola (XVI), the typical Edison Diamond Disc Phonograph (C-250) as well the Orthophonic Credenza - when I need to haul an Orthophonic changer or a Capehart, I'll continue to use my 1969 GMC pickup. I want a smaller, more economical 4 cylinder vehicle have looked at Hondas (all of which have too small a cargo area except the Element which I consider unattractive) Toyotas (Scion, Metric, RAV 4 Venza,all of which will accommodate the above mentioned machines) am leaning towards the RAV4 but thought it might be nice to get your input before making a final decision. Thanks! Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. jim...@earthlink.net ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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Actually it implies that any, and all profits get distributed to the the Americans that work hard, pay taxes, and support this great land. When you buy Japanese, Korean, German, etc, you help to support their schools, their government,and their economy. I'm not going to go one-on-one comparing vehicles, i.e. gas mileage, MSRP, storage space, re-sale value, etc. Take a look at our economy and you decide what's best; the future of your country, or your desire to get the best deal for YOU. --- On Sun, 3/7/10, Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com wrote: From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 7:29 PM That implies a Ford... Joe Filer wrote: Do your Grandchildren a favor and Buy American. There are plenty of domestic vehicles to suit your needs, Regards, Joe Filer --- On Sun, 3/7/10, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 3:20 PM Dang, I was hoping the Honda Fit would be big enough for a common upright Victrola. It fills all my other criteria. What about the Kia Soul? and doesn't Hyundai have a hatchback? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of jim...@earthlink.net Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 2:47 PM To: Phono-L@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle? I am on the verge of getting a new vehicle thought I'd ask the advice of Phono-L members since, like myself, you all have need to haul antique phonographs. I'd like to have cargo capacity to transport the typical Victrola (XVI), the typical Edison Diamond Disc Phonograph (C-250) as well the Orthophonic Credenza - when I need to haul an Orthophonic changer or a Capehart, I'll continue to use my 1969 GMC pickup. I want a smaller, more economical 4 cylinder vehicle have looked at Hondas (all of which have too small a cargo area except the Element which I consider unattractive) Toyotas (Scion, Metric, RAV 4 Venza,all of which will accommodate the above mentioned machines) am leaning towards the RAV4 but thought it might be nice to get your input before making a final decision. Thanks! Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. jim...@earthlink.net ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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The American factory worker working for a foreign automaker with an American plant gets paid a good American labor wage, benefits package, local tax revenues are collected, state and Federal revenues are collected..business taxes, licensing taxes...I'd say we get a pretty fair shake out of it. Plus why should I buy a crappy American car that I am pouring money into? My last two American cars were Oldsmobile and Chevy, buth of which had problems. The Chevy was never able to be satisfactorily fixed so I bought the Olds. The dashboard skin on the Olds separated from the substrate and wrinkled up. Ugly. The dealership wouldn't do anything, and I wrote to GM corporaion several times and finally they said (literally) my warranty wouldn't cover a new dash and that if I wrote them about it again, they would not respond. The dealership told me they had seen this problem before on other Olds Aleros. And they said the same thing, GM refused to fix the problem. These were NEW cars. That's why I won't buy American again, i can't trust them. Chet me once, shame on me. Cheat me twice, shame on you. Oh and then there was the new Ford whose tranny went out at 60,000 miles. Bad juju. And I promise no more car ranting from me! Sorry guys!! John --- On Sun, 3/7/10, Joe Filer filerph...@bellsouth.net wrote: From: Joe Filer filerph...@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 5:27 PM Actually it implies that any, and all profits get distributed to the the Americans that work hard, pay taxes, and support this great land. When you buy Japanese, Korean, German, etc, you help to support their schools, their government,and their economy. I'm not going to go one-on-one comparing vehicles, i.e. gas mileage, MSRP, storage space, re-sale value, etc. Take a look at our economy and you decide what's best; the future of your country, or your desire to get the best deal for YOU. --- On Sun, 3/7/10, Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com wrote: From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 7:29 PM That implies a Ford... Joe Filer wrote: Do your Grandchildren a favor and Buy American. There are plenty of domestic vehicles to suit your needs, Regards, Joe Filer --- On Sun, 3/7/10, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 3:20 PM Dang, I was hoping the Honda Fit would be big enough for a common upright Victrola. It fills all my other criteria. What about the Kia Soul? and doesn't Hyundai have a hatchback? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of jim...@earthlink.net Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 2:47 PM To: Phono-L@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle? I am on the verge of getting a new vehicle thought I'd ask the advice of Phono-L members since, like myself, you all have need to haul antique phonographs. I'd like to have cargo capacity to transport the typical Victrola (XVI), the typical Edison Diamond Disc Phonograph (C-250) as well the Orthophonic Credenza - when I need to haul an Orthophonic changer or a Capehart, I'll continue to use my 1969 GMC pickup. I want a smaller, more economical 4 cylinder vehicle have looked at Hondas (all of which have too small a cargo area except the Element which I consider unattractive) Toyotas (Scion, Metric, RAV 4 Venza,all of which will accommodate the above mentioned machines) am leaning towards the RAV4 but thought it might be nice to get your input before making a final decision. Thanks! Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. jim...@earthlink.net ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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This would also include boycotting Walmart, killer of the independent American small business, pervasive employee abuser, and 10th-largest trading partner of China (including nations). Buy American only goes so far, and in the above case, it's likely too late - walmart has obliterated the mom and pop shops pretty much everywhere. -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Mar 7, 2010, at 5:27 PM, Joe Filer filerph...@bellsouth.net wrote: Actually it implies that any, and all profits get distributed to the the Americans that work hard, pay taxes, and support this great land. When you buy Japanese, Korean, German, etc, you help to support their schools, their government,and their economy. I'm not going to go one-on-one comparing vehicles, i.e. gas mileage, MSRP, storage space, re-sale value, etc. Take a look at our economy and you decide what's best; the future of your country, or your desire to get the best deal for YOU. --- On Sun, 3/7/10, Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com wrote: From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 7:29 PM That implies a Ford... Joe Filer wrote: Do your Grandchildren a favor and Buy American. There are plenty of domestic vehicles to suit your needs, Regards, Joe Filer --- On Sun, 3/7/10, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 3:20 PM Dang, I was hoping the Honda Fit would be big enough for a common upright Victrola. It fills all my other criteria.What about the Kia Soul? and doesn't Hyundai have a hatchback? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l- boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of jim...@earthlink.net Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 2:47 PM To: Phono-L@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle? I am on the verge of getting a new vehicle thought I'd ask the advice of Phono-L members since, like myself, you all have need to haul antique phonographs. I'd like to have cargo capacity to transport the typical Victrola (XVI), the typical Edison Diamond Disc Phonograph (C-250) as well the Orthophonic Credenza - when I need to haul an Orthophonic changer or a Capehart, I'll continue to use my 1969 GMC pickup. I want a smaller, more economical 4 cylinder vehicle have looked at Hondas (all of which have too small a cargo area except the Element which I consider unattractive) Toyotas (Scion, Metric, RAV 4 Venza,all of which will accommodate the above mentioned machines) am leaning towards the RAV4 but thought it might be nice to get your input before making a final decision. Thanks! Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. jim...@earthlink.net ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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nice, but more expensive than I can handle and it does not get great mileage. I'm not happy when I only get 28 to the gallon instead of 30. I wish I could afford a hybrid. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john9...@pacbell.net Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 7:43 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? I higly recommend the Suzuki XL7. Split back seats, lotsa features, I can fit a victrola xvi easily, comfortable..I love mine! John Robles --Original Message-- From: Ron L'Herault Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org To: 'Antique Phonograph List' ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? Sent: Mar 7, 2010 12:20 PM Dang, I was hoping the Honda Fit would be big enough for a common upright Victrola. It fills all my other criteria.What about the Kia Soul? and doesn't Hyundai have a hatchback? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of jim...@earthlink.net Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 2:47 PM To: Phono-L@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle? I am on the verge of getting a new vehicle thought I'd ask the advice of Phono-L members since, like myself, you all have need to haul antique phonographs. I'd like to have cargo capacity to transport the typical Victrola (XVI), the typical Edison Diamond Disc Phonograph (C-250) as well the Orthophonic Credenza - when I need to haul an Orthophonic changer or a Capehart, I'll continue to use my 1969 GMC pickup. I want a smaller, more economical 4 cylinder vehicle have looked at Hondas (all of which have too small a cargo area except the Element which I consider unattractive) Toyotas (Scion, Metric, RAV 4 Venza,all of which will accommodate the above mentioned machines) am leaning towards the RAV4 but thought it might be nice to get your input before making a final decision. Thanks! Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. jim...@earthlink.net ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
