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That's Paul Edie.He lives near my place, in Troy, Mich. Unfortunately, Paul doesn't publish his data base. It would be interesting to know how many of the Vic 18 phonos have survived. There seems to be quite a few, fortunately. [Original Message] From: Charlotte Mager waves...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 10/22/2009 7:33:17 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me There is a fellow keeping a data base of Victors. You can ad yours by going to http://www.victor-victrola.com Charlotte aka Waves http://www.wavesllc.com On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Douglas Houston cdh...@earthlink.netwrote: Of course, I'm not there to see it, but my first guess would be a buildup of grime from all those years. The dining room set here was bought by my mother in 1925. Our house in Detroit had been heated with coal, as were many others in those days. On the chairs, on the top crossbar, the top surface was black, and I assumed that it was the finish. For the first time ever, I went over the dining set with Go-Jo, and the black finish on the top bar got gooey, and wiping it away, a nice walnut finish was exposed. At the time I bought my VV-XVIII, it needed a good going over to remove grime, but wasn't as bad as some cabinets I've seen. I went further and flowed the original shellac finish with alcohol. Except for some areas, the finish is as new. I wonder if anyone is keeping a log of serial numbers on these phonographs. I have the impression that all of the jobs came down the line, and were consecutively numbered, with no special notation for such special treatments as electric motor, circassian walnut, or other woods. One interesting little detail: one of our phono collectors in this area has a XVIII Electric drive. The cabinet has a cute decoratice cover over the crank hole. Evidently, all cabinets were drilled for the crank. My XVIII has mahogany finish, and spring motor; a cheapie. The serial number is 1277. The name plate on the motor board is the copper one. A few years ago, one was on eBay, with a serial number around 1309, and it had an aluminum name plate. So, it appears that, somewhere between mine and the one for auction, Victor changed name plates. At present, I'm getting my Victor Electrola 12-25 put together, checking everything carefully before I put power to the amplifier. I did the Go-Jo treatment to the cabinet. The finish on it is a mirror. I've never seen a cabinet that old, in that perfect shape. I'm anxious to have it going. I also have a 12-15 Electrola, and it's dynamite. [Original Message] From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 10/21/2009 10:04:42 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me Thanks, Douglas. Needless to say, the novelty of seeing this visitor in my music room hasn't begun to lose its luster, and the XVIII will soon regain its. I thought of Go-Jo as well, at least as a first step. The black residue is dense here and there, but it must also be darkening the finish even where it doesn't appear to be built up to opaqueness. Andy On Oct 20, 2009, at 4:46 PM, Douglas Houston wrote: I've had my VV-XVIII for about 25 years. It took a moment to realize just what I was looking at, but $120.00 was a reasonable price, regardless of condition. Everything was there, except the storage albums. One spring was broken at the outer end, and was quicly repaired. A going over with Go-Jo made it clean as new. I know just how you feel, Andy! [Original Message] From: Mobility Scooters mobilityscoot...@xtra.co.nz To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 10/21/2009 1:26:44 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me Andy Great story! Well done that is just fantastic and to think of how many people must of seen it before you did in the afternoon. I would say it was waiting for you. There will be no stopping you going shopping with your wife for the rest of your life. ha ha All the very best Tony -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org ]On Behalf Of Ken and Brenda Brekke Sent: Tuesday, 20 October 2009 12:57 p.m. To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me Congrats Any chance of posting pictures??? Ken B. -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org ] On Behalf Of Andrew Baron Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 6:46 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me From time to time, I've derived vicarious pleasure
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You cannot distinguish your product or use a trademark with comon words. Cotton Cleanser what comes to your mind? Kotton Klenser what comes to you mind? If you look at the website you will see the TM by the name. A trademark or trade mark[1] is a distinctive sign or indicator used by an individual, business organization, or other legal entity to identify that the products or services to consumers with which the trademark appears originate from a unique source, and to distinguish its products or services from those of other entities. Cotton Cleanser is not distinctive. Successful products form the generic name for products. Q-Tip is a cotton swab, ask for a Q-Tip and you will get a cotton swab. Victrola is an inside horn Victor, but even today people will call any old record player a Victrola. Steve True, and I have heard that Kotton Klenser is actually a type of hand cleaner. Who knows. Go to their website at www.kottonklenser,com and there are lotsa products and faqs for use. Interesting. Is anyone else curious why 2 words normally spelt with a C are spelt with Ks (KK) and the company is in tennessee, and used to be called Rebel Products??? Just my conspiracy theory. John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:23:08 To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me The time to destruction is a factor of the type of finish and the type of cleaner used. The waterless hand cleaners all contain water, check the ingredients. The water is tied up in a couple of the other ingredients but if you wait long enough you will have water on the finish problems. john9...@pacbell.net wrote: I haven't found that to be the case with edison, victor or columbia machines, but I don't let it soak either. I apply, rub in well, then remove with a soft cloth. Follow up with a coat of a quality beeswax polish for a nice vintage shine. We all have our own methods of course! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:41:14 To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me The Kotton Kleanser will slowly attack and soften the old varnish formulas and will dissolve many decorative decals that were used in the first 20 years of the 20th century if left in contact for very long. It will strip the decals quite rapidly. Barry Kasindorf wrote: Kotton Kleanser is good stuff, I have used it, but someone said it leaves the finish soft. I think it works better than gojo. Gojo is very good at getting hand/finger smudge off where knobs and lids get used. -Barry Douglas Houston wrote: Oh, indeed. Go-Jo and most other waterless hand cleaners are available with pumice, and when you buy the stuff, you must look to get the right stuff. There is one that does the same thing, and is probably the same formulation. It's called Kotten Kleaner, or something like that. Good stuff, I understand, for about 3 times the price. [Original Message] From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 10/22/2009 11:59:06 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me It is the waterless hand cleaner WITHOUT pumice. I use a product by LD, I think it is that is sold in the hardware or laundry sections of the supermarket as both a hand cleaner and a material to remove oil/grease stains (which it does well, by the way). The brand is not as important as not having pumice. It does not remove/affect the shellac but it does cut through old hand oils, grease, wax build up. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Tom Jordan Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:18 AM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me I Googled Go-Jo and found a company that makes a lot of products including a hand sanitizer. Can anyone tell me which Go-Jo product you are referring to and where it can be purchased? Does it removed the finish or just clean it? Thank you. Tom -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Charlotte Mager Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:27 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me There is a fellow keeping a data base of Victors. You can ad yours by going to http://www.victor-victrola.com Charlotte aka Waves http://www.wavesllc.com On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Douglas Houston cdh
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There is a fellow keeping a data base of Victors. You can ad yours by going to http://www.victor-victrola.com Charlotte aka Waves http://www.wavesllc.com On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Douglas Houston cdh...@earthlink.netwrote: Of course, I'm not there to see it, but my first guess would be a buildup of grime from all those years. The dining room set here was bought by my mother in 1925. Our house in Detroit had been heated with coal, as were many others in those days. On the chairs, on the top crossbar, the top surface was black, and I assumed that it was the finish. For the first time ever, I went over the dining set with Go-Jo, and the black finish on the top bar got gooey, and wiping it away, a nice walnut finish was exposed. At the time I bought my VV-XVIII, it needed a good going over to remove grime, but wasn't as bad as some cabinets I've seen. I went further and flowed the original shellac finish with alcohol. Except for some areas, the finish is as new. I wonder if anyone is keeping a log of serial numbers on these phonographs. I have the impression that all of the jobs came down the line, and were consecutively numbered, with no special notation for such special treatments as electric motor, circassian walnut, or other woods. One interesting little detail: one of our phono collectors in this area has a XVIII Electric drive. The cabinet has a cute decoratice cover over the crank hole. Evidently, all cabinets were drilled for the crank. My XVIII has mahogany finish, and spring motor; a cheapie. The serial number is 1277. The name plate on the motor board is the copper one. A few years ago, one was on eBay, with a serial number around 1309, and it had an aluminum name plate. So, it appears that, somewhere between mine and the one for auction, Victor changed name plates. At present, I'm getting my Victor Electrola 12-25 put together, checking everything carefully before I put power to the amplifier. I did the Go-Jo treatment to the cabinet. The finish on it is a mirror. I've never seen a cabinet that old, in that perfect shape. I'm anxious to have it going. I also have a 12-15 Electrola, and it's dynamite. [Original Message] From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 10/21/2009 10:04:42 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me Thanks, Douglas. Needless to say, the novelty of seeing this visitor in my music room hasn't begun to lose its luster, and the XVIII will soon regain its. I thought of Go-Jo as well, at least as a first step. The black residue is dense here and there, but it must also be darkening the finish even where it doesn't appear to be built up to opaqueness. Andy On Oct 20, 2009, at 4:46 PM, Douglas Houston wrote: I've had my VV-XVIII for about 25 years. It took a moment to realize just what I was looking at, but $120.00 was a reasonable price, regardless of condition. Everything was there, except the storage albums. One spring was broken at the outer end, and was quicly repaired. A going over with Go-Jo made it clean as new. I know just how you feel, Andy! [Original Message] From: Mobility Scooters mobilityscoot...@xtra.co.nz To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 10/21/2009 1:26:44 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me Andy Great story! Well done that is just fantastic and to think of how many people must of seen it before you did in the afternoon. I would say it was waiting for you. There will be no stopping you going shopping with your wife for the rest of your life. ha ha All the very best Tony -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org ]On Behalf Of Ken and Brenda Brekke Sent: Tuesday, 20 October 2009 12:57 p.m. To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me Congrats Any chance of posting pictures??? Ken B. -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org ] On Behalf Of Andrew Baron Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 6:46 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me From time to time, I've derived vicarious pleasure from reading of some of the phono-L members' coincidental discovery and acquisition of a particularly sought-after or scarce phonograph. In general, most of the membership are in areas that are either more populated, or nearer to denser metropolitan areas than here in Santa Fe, NM. Roll back the calendar a few decades, and my region is pretty sparsely populated, with more ranching than any kind of manufacturing or other work that would draw a larger population. Fewer people = fewer
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That grime served to protect the finish, I guess. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Douglas Houston Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 11:16 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me Of course, I'm not there to see it, but my first guess would be a buildup of grime from all those years. The dining room set here was bought by my mother in 1925. Our house in Detroit had been heated with coal, as were many others in those days. On the chairs, on the top crossbar, the top surface was black, and I assumed that it was the finish. For the first time ever, I went over the dining set with Go-Jo, and the black finish on the top bar got gooey, and wiping it away, a nice walnut finish was exposed. At the time I bought my VV-XVIII, it needed a good going over to remove grime, but wasn't as bad as some cabinets I've seen. I went further and flowed the original shellac finish with alcohol. Except for some areas, the finish is as new. I wonder if anyone is keeping a log of serial numbers on these phonographs. I have the impression that all of the jobs came down the line, and were consecutively numbered, with no special notation for such special treatments as electric motor, circassian walnut, or other woods. One interesting little detail: one of our phono collectors in this area has a XVIII Electric drive. The cabinet has a cute decoratice cover over the crank hole. Evidently, all cabinets were drilled for the crank. My XVIII has mahogany finish, and spring motor; a cheapie. The serial number is 1277. The name plate on the motor board is the copper one. A few years ago, one was on eBay, with a serial number around 1309, and it had an aluminum name plate. So, it appears that, somewhere between mine and the one for auction, Victor changed name plates. At present, I'm getting my Victor Electrola 12-25 put together, checking everything carefully before I put power to the amplifier. I did the Go-Jo treatment to the cabinet. The finish on it is a mirror. I've never seen a cabinet that old, in that perfect shape. I'm anxious to have it going. I also have a 12-15 Electrola, and it's dynamite. [Original Message] From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 10/21/2009 10:04:42 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me Thanks, Douglas. Needless to say, the novelty of seeing this visitor in my music room hasn't begun to lose its luster, and the XVIII will soon regain its. I thought of Go-Jo as well, at least as a first step. The black residue is dense here and there, but it must also be darkening the finish even where it doesn't appear to be built up to opaqueness. Andy On Oct 20, 2009, at 4:46 PM, Douglas Houston wrote: I've had my VV-XVIII for about 25 years. It took a moment to realize just what I was looking at, but $120.00 was a reasonable price, regardless of condition. Everything was there, except the storage albums. One spring was broken at the outer end, and was quicly repaired. A going over with Go-Jo made it clean as new. I know just how you feel, Andy! [Original Message] From: Mobility Scooters mobilityscoot...@xtra.co.nz To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 10/21/2009 1:26:44 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me Andy Great story! Well done that is just fantastic and to think of how many people must of seen it before you did in the afternoon. I would say it was waiting for you. There will be no stopping you going shopping with your wife for the rest of your life. ha ha All the very best Tony -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org ]On Behalf Of Ken and Brenda Brekke Sent: Tuesday, 20 October 2009 12:57 p.m. To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me Congrats Any chance of posting pictures??? Ken B. -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org ] On Behalf Of Andrew Baron Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 6:46 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me From time to time, I've derived vicarious pleasure from reading of some of the phono-L members' coincidental discovery and acquisition of a particularly sought-after or scarce phonograph. In general, most of the membership are in areas that are either more populated, or nearer to denser metropolitan areas than here in Santa Fe, NM. Roll back the calendar a few decades, and my region is pretty sparsely populated, with more ranching than any kind of manufacturing or other work that would draw a larger population. Fewer people = fewer
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I Googled Go-Jo and found a company that makes a lot of products including a hand sanitizer. Can anyone tell me which Go-Jo product you are referring to and where it can be purchased? Does it removed the finish or just clean it? Thank you. Tom -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Charlotte Mager Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:27 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me There is a fellow keeping a data base of Victors. You can ad yours by going to http://www.victor-victrola.com Charlotte aka Waves http://www.wavesllc.com On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Douglas Houston cdh...@earthlink.netwrote: Of course, I'm not there to see it, but my first guess would be a buildup of grime from all those years. The dining room set here was bought by my mother in 1925. Our house in Detroit had been heated with coal, as were many others in those days. On the chairs, on the top crossbar, the top surface was black, and I assumed that it was the finish. For the first time ever, I went over the dining set with Go-Jo, and the black finish on the top bar got gooey, and wiping it away, a nice walnut finish was exposed. At the time I bought my VV-XVIII, it needed a good going over to remove grime, but wasn't as bad as some cabinets I've seen. I went further and flowed the original shellac finish with alcohol. Except for some areas, the finish is as new. I wonder if anyone is keeping a log of serial numbers on these phonographs. I have the impression that all of the jobs came down the line, and were consecutively numbered, with no special notation for such special treatments as electric motor, circassian walnut, or other woods. One interesting little detail: one of our phono collectors in this area has a XVIII Electric drive. The cabinet has a cute decoratice cover over the crank hole. Evidently, all cabinets were drilled for the crank. My XVIII has mahogany finish, and spring motor; a cheapie. The serial number is 1277. The name plate on the motor board is the copper one. A few years ago, one was on eBay, with a serial number around 1309, and it had an aluminum name plate. So, it appears that, somewhere between mine and the one for auction, Victor changed name plates. At present, I'm getting my Victor Electrola 12-25 put together, checking everything carefully before I put power to the amplifier. I did the Go-Jo treatment to the cabinet. The finish on it is a mirror. I've never seen a cabinet that old, in that perfect shape. I'm anxious to have it going. I also have a 12-15 Electrola, and it's dynamite. [Original Message] From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 10/21/2009 10:04:42 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me Thanks, Douglas. Needless to say, the novelty of seeing this visitor in my music room hasn't begun to lose its luster, and the XVIII will soon regain its. I thought of Go-Jo as well, at least as a first step. The black residue is dense here and there, but it must also be darkening the finish even where it doesn't appear to be built up to opaqueness. Andy On Oct 20, 2009, at 4:46 PM, Douglas Houston wrote: I've had my VV-XVIII for about 25 years. It took a moment to realize just what I was looking at, but $120.00 was a reasonable price, regardless of condition. Everything was there, except the storage albums. One spring was broken at the outer end, and was quicly repaired. A going over with Go-Jo made it clean as new. I know just how you feel, Andy! [Original Message] From: Mobility Scooters mobilityscoot...@xtra.co.nz To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 10/21/2009 1:26:44 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me Andy Great story! Well done that is just fantastic and to think of how many people must of seen it before you did in the afternoon. I would say it was waiting for you. There will be no stopping you going shopping with your wife for the rest of your life. ha ha All the very best Tony -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org ]On Behalf Of Ken and Brenda Brekke Sent: Tuesday, 20 October 2009 12:57 p.m. To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me Congrats Any chance of posting pictures??? Ken B. -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org ] On Behalf Of Andrew Baron Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 6:46 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me From time to time, I've derived vicarious pleasure from reading of some
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So if you plan to reflow the shellac after using one of these cleaners would you still use anything else after the cleaner to prepare the surface? Glenn From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:58:04 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me It is the waterless hand cleaner WITHOUT pumice. I use a product by LD, I think it is that is sold in the hardware or laundry sections of the supermarket as both a hand cleaner and a material to remove oil/grease stains (which it does well, by the way). The brand is not as important as not having pumice. It does not remove/affect the shellac but it does cut through old hand oils, grease, wax build up. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Tom Jordan Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:18 AM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me I Googled Go-Jo and found a company that makes a lot of products including a hand sanitizer. Can anyone tell me which Go-Jo product you are referring to and where it can be purchased? Does it removed the finish or just clean it? Thank you. Tom -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Charlotte Mager Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:27 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me There is a fellow keeping a data base of Victors. You can ad yours by going to http://www.victor-victrola.com Charlotte aka Waves http://www.wavesllc.com On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Douglas Houston cdh...@earthlink.netwrote: Of course, I'm not there to see it, but my first guess would be a buildup of grime from all those years. The dining room set here was bought by my mother in 1925. Our house in Detroit had been heated with coal, as were many others in those days. On the chairs, on the top crossbar, the top surface was black, and I assumed that it was the finish. For the first time ever, I went over the dining set with Go-Jo, and the black finish on the top bar got gooey, and wiping it away, a nice walnut finish was exposed. At the time I bought my VV-XVIII, it needed a good going over to remove grime, but wasn't as bad as some cabinets I've seen. I went further and flowed the original shellac finish with alcohol. Except for some areas, the finish is as new. I wonder if anyone is keeping a log of serial numbers on these phonographs. I have the impression that all of the jobs came down the line, and were consecutively numbered, with no special notation for such special treatments as electric motor, circassian walnut, or other woods. One interesting little detail: one of our phono collectors in this area has a XVIII Electric drive. The cabinet has a cute decoratice cover over the crank hole. Evidently, all cabinets were drilled for the crank. My XVIII has mahogany finish, and spring motor; a cheapie. The serial number is 1277. The name plate on the motor board is the copper one. A few years ago, one was on eBay, with a serial number around 1309, and it had an aluminum name plate. So, it appears that, somewhere between mine and the one for auction, Victor changed name plates. At present, I'm getting my Victor Electrola 12-25 put together, checking everything carefully before I put power to the amplifier. I did the Go-Jo treatment to the cabinet. The finish on it is a mirror. I've never seen a cabinet that old, in that perfect shape. I'm anxious to have it going. I also have a 12-15 Electrola, and it's dynamite. [Original Message] From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 10/21/2009 10:04:42 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me Thanks, Douglas. Needless to say, the novelty of seeing this visitor in my music room hasn't begun to lose its luster, and the XVIII will soon regain its. I thought of Go-Jo as well, at least as a first step. The black residue is dense here and there, but it must also be darkening the finish even where it doesn't appear to be built up to opaqueness. Andy On Oct 20, 2009, at 4:46 PM, Douglas Houston wrote: I've had my VV-XVIII for about 25 years. It took a moment to realize just what I was looking at, but $120.00 was a reasonable price, regardless of condition. Everything was there, except the storage albums. One spring was broken at the outer end, and was quicly repaired. A going over with Go-Jo made it clean as new. I know just how you feel, Andy! [Original Message] From: Mobility Scooters mobilityscoot...@xtra.co.nz To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 10/21/2009 1:26:44 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me
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I was concerned about that too.. --Original Message-- From: Robert Wright Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org To: Phono L ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me Sent: Oct 22, 2009 9:47 AM SURELY you must mean WITHOUT pumice, Don. No one would wipe sand all over a wood finish. From: durand7...@cox.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 12:13:38 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me Go-Jo with pumice works very well and removes the dirt and grime without disturbing the patina. You can find Go-Jo at most hardware and auto stores. P.S., It is very inexpensive. Good luck, Don _ Windows 7: It helps you do more. Explore Windows 7. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen3:102009 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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It does leave a little lanolin on the surface I think. I usually do a quick spray and wipe with Fantastic (which also does not seem to hurt the shellac as far as I can tell. I tested it on a shiny part of a 78 and didn't see any cloudiness. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Longwell Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 12:04 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me So if you plan to reflow the shellac after using one of these cleaners would you still use anything else after the cleaner to prepare the surface? Glenn From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:58:04 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me It is the waterless hand cleaner WITHOUT pumice. I use a product by LD, I think it is that is sold in the hardware or laundry sections of the supermarket as both a hand cleaner and a material to remove oil/grease stains (which it does well, by the way). The brand is not as important as not having pumice. It does not remove/affect the shellac but it does cut through old hand oils, grease, wax build up. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Tom Jordan Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:18 AM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me I Googled Go-Jo and found a company that makes a lot of products including a hand sanitizer. Can anyone tell me which Go-Jo product you are referring to and where it can be purchased? Does it removed the finish or just clean it? Thank you. Tom -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Charlotte Mager Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:27 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me There is a fellow keeping a data base of Victors. You can ad yours by going to http://www.victor-victrola.com Charlotte aka Waves http://www.wavesllc.com On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Douglas Houston cdh...@earthlink.netwrote: Of course, I'm not there to see it, but my first guess would be a buildup of grime from all those years. The dining room set here was bought by my mother in 1925. Our house in Detroit had been heated with coal, as were many others in those days. On the chairs, on the top crossbar, the top surface was black, and I assumed that it was the finish. For the first time ever, I went over the dining set with Go-Jo, and the black finish on the top bar got gooey, and wiping it away, a nice walnut finish was exposed. At the time I bought my VV-XVIII, it needed a good going over to remove grime, but wasn't as bad as some cabinets I've seen. I went further and flowed the original shellac finish with alcohol. Except for some areas, the finish is as new. I wonder if anyone is keeping a log of serial numbers on these phonographs. I have the impression that all of the jobs came down the line, and were consecutively numbered, with no special notation for such special treatments as electric motor, circassian walnut, or other woods. One interesting little detail: one of our phono collectors in this area has a XVIII Electric drive. The cabinet has a cute decoratice cover over the crank hole. Evidently, all cabinets were drilled for the crank. My XVIII has mahogany finish, and spring motor; a cheapie. The serial number is 1277. The name plate on the motor board is the copper one. A few years ago, one was on eBay, with a serial number around 1309, and it had an aluminum name plate. So, it appears that, somewhere between mine and the one for auction, Victor changed name plates. At present, I'm getting my Victor Electrola 12-25 put together, checking everything carefully before I put power to the amplifier. I did the Go-Jo treatment to the cabinet. The finish on it is a mirror. I've never seen a cabinet that old, in that perfect shape. I'm anxious to have it going. I also have a 12-15 Electrola, and it's dynamite. [Original Message] From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 10/21/2009 10:04:42 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me Thanks, Douglas. Needless to say, the novelty of seeing this visitor in my music room hasn't begun to lose its luster, and the XVIII will soon regain its. I thought of Go-Jo as well, at least as a first step. The black residue is dense here and there, but it must also be darkening the finish even where it doesn't appear to be built up to opaqueness. Andy On Oct 20, 2009, at 4:46 PM, Douglas Houston wrote: I've had my VV-XVIII for about 25 years. It took a moment to realize just what I
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Be careful with fantastick and 409 as they will mar glass! John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:55:34 To: 'Antique Phonograph List'phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me It does leave a little lanolin on the surface I think. I usually do a quick spray and wipe with Fantastic (which also does not seem to hurt the shellac as far as I can tell. I tested it on a shiny part of a 78 and didn't see any cloudiness. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Longwell Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 12:04 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me So if you plan to reflow the shellac after using one of these cleaners would you still use anything else after the cleaner to prepare the surface? Glenn From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:58:04 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me It is the waterless hand cleaner WITHOUT pumice. I use a product by LD, I think it is that is sold in the hardware or laundry sections of the supermarket as both a hand cleaner and a material to remove oil/grease stains (which it does well, by the way). The brand is not as important as not having pumice. It does not remove/affect the shellac but it does cut through old hand oils, grease, wax build up. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Tom Jordan Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:18 AM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me I Googled Go-Jo and found a company that makes a lot of products including a hand sanitizer. Can anyone tell me which Go-Jo product you are referring to and where it can be purchased? Does it removed the finish or just clean it? Thank you. Tom -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Charlotte Mager Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:27 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me There is a fellow keeping a data base of Victors. You can ad yours by going to http://www.victor-victrola.com Charlotte aka Waves http://www.wavesllc.com On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Douglas Houston cdh...@earthlink.netwrote: Of course, I'm not there to see it, but my first guess would be a buildup of grime from all those years. The dining room set here was bought by my mother in 1925. Our house in Detroit had been heated with coal, as were many others in those days. On the chairs, on the top crossbar, the top surface was black, and I assumed that it was the finish. For the first time ever, I went over the dining set with Go-Jo, and the black finish on the top bar got gooey, and wiping it away, a nice walnut finish was exposed. At the time I bought my VV-XVIII, it needed a good going over to remove grime, but wasn't as bad as some cabinets I've seen. I went further and flowed the original shellac finish with alcohol. Except for some areas, the finish is as new. I wonder if anyone is keeping a log of serial numbers on these phonographs. I have the impression that all of the jobs came down the line, and were consecutively numbered, with no special notation for such special treatments as electric motor, circassian walnut, or other woods. One interesting little detail: one of our phono collectors in this area has a XVIII Electric drive. The cabinet has a cute decoratice cover over the crank hole. Evidently, all cabinets were drilled for the crank. My XVIII has mahogany finish, and spring motor; a cheapie. The serial number is 1277. The name plate on the motor board is the copper one. A few years ago, one was on eBay, with a serial number around 1309, and it had an aluminum name plate. So, it appears that, somewhere between mine and the one for auction, Victor changed name plates. At present, I'm getting my Victor Electrola 12-25 put together, checking everything carefully before I put power to the amplifier. I did the Go-Jo treatment to the cabinet. The finish on it is a mirror. I've never seen a cabinet that old, in that perfect shape. I'm anxious to have it going. I also have a 12-15 Electrola, and it's dynamite. [Original Message] From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 10/21/2009 10:04:42 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me Thanks, Douglas. Needless to say, the novelty of seeing this visitor in my music room hasn't begun to lose its luster, and the XVIII will soon regain its. I thought of Go-Jo as well, at least as a first step
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Very true. Fortunately, they are two different materials. If the cleaners etched or otherwise harmed the shellac, it should show up as cloudiness on the shinny shellac surface of the 78 runout. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john9...@pacbell.net Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 2:04 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me Be careful with fantastick and 409 as they will mar glass! John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:55:34 To: 'Antique Phonograph List'phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me It does leave a little lanolin on the surface I think. I usually do a quick spray and wipe with Fantastic (which also does not seem to hurt the shellac as far as I can tell. I tested it on a shiny part of a 78 and didn't see any cloudiness. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Longwell Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 12:04 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me So if you plan to reflow the shellac after using one of these cleaners would you still use anything else after the cleaner to prepare the surface? Glenn From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:58:04 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me It is the waterless hand cleaner WITHOUT pumice. I use a product by LD, I think it is that is sold in the hardware or laundry sections of the supermarket as both a hand cleaner and a material to remove oil/grease stains (which it does well, by the way). The brand is not as important as not having pumice. It does not remove/affect the shellac but it does cut through old hand oils, grease, wax build up. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Tom Jordan Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:18 AM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me I Googled Go-Jo and found a company that makes a lot of products including a hand sanitizer. Can anyone tell me which Go-Jo product you are referring to and where it can be purchased? Does it removed the finish or just clean it? Thank you. Tom -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Charlotte Mager Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:27 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me There is a fellow keeping a data base of Victors. You can ad yours by going to http://www.victor-victrola.com Charlotte aka Waves http://www.wavesllc.com On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Douglas Houston cdh...@earthlink.netwrote: Of course, I'm not there to see it, but my first guess would be a buildup of grime from all those years. The dining room set here was bought by my mother in 1925. Our house in Detroit had been heated with coal, as were many others in those days. On the chairs, on the top crossbar, the top surface was black, and I assumed that it was the finish. For the first time ever, I went over the dining set with Go-Jo, and the black finish on the top bar got gooey, and wiping it away, a nice walnut finish was exposed. At the time I bought my VV-XVIII, it needed a good going over to remove grime, but wasn't as bad as some cabinets I've seen. I went further and flowed the original shellac finish with alcohol. Except for some areas, the finish is as new. I wonder if anyone is keeping a log of serial numbers on these phonographs. I have the impression that all of the jobs came down the line, and were consecutively numbered, with no special notation for such special treatments as electric motor, circassian walnut, or other woods. One interesting little detail: one of our phono collectors in this area has a XVIII Electric drive. The cabinet has a cute decoratice cover over the crank hole. Evidently, all cabinets were drilled for the crank. My XVIII has mahogany finish, and spring motor; a cheapie. The serial number is 1277. The name plate on the motor board is the copper one. A few years ago, one was on eBay, with a serial number around 1309, and it had an aluminum name plate. So, it appears that, somewhere between mine and the one for auction, Victor changed name plates. At present, I'm getting my Victor Electrola 12-25 put together, checking everything carefully before I put power to the amplifier. I did the Go-Jo treatment to the cabinet. The finish on it is a mirror. I've never seen a cabinet that old, in that perfect shape. I'm anxious to have it going. I also have
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No Robert, I mean WITH pumice. The pumice is so fine that it doesn't harm normal finishes. I would not recommend it for a piece with a French polish finish and of course, you must use only light to moderate pressure. Try it first on oak until you get the feel of it. It works particularly well on Oak. As Ron said on a later post, it does leave a little lanolin on the surface and that together with any residual pumice should be wiped off with a clean, soft cloth. Ron says that Fantastic works; I have only ever used a soft, dry cloth. Don - Original Message - From: Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.com To: Phono L phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me SURELY you must mean WITHOUT pumice, Don. No one would wipe sand all over a wood finish. From: durand7...@cox.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 12:13:38 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me Go-Jo with pumice works very well and removes the dirt and grime without disturbing the patina. You can find Go-Jo at most hardware and auto stores. P.S., It is very inexpensive. Good luck, Don _ Windows 7: It helps you do more. Explore Windows 7. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen3:102009 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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My apologies, Don! But that is something I will never, ever try. Of course, I did just purchase a complete Cheney phonograph that has definitely not been stored well, so ya never know. :) Robert From: durand7...@cox.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:38:55 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me No Robert, I mean WITH pumice. The pumice is so fine that it doesn't harm normal finishes. I would not recommend it for a piece with a French polish finish and of course, you must use only light to moderate pressure. Try it first on oak until you get the feel of it. It works particularly well on Oak. As Ron said on a later post, it does leave a little lanolin on the surface and that together with any residual pumice should be wiped off with a clean, soft cloth. Ron says that Fantastic works; I have only ever used a soft, dry cloth. Don - Original Message - From: Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.com To: Phono L phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me SURELY you must mean WITHOUT pumice, Don. No one would wipe sand all over a wood finish. From: durand7...@cox.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 12:13:38 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me Go-Jo with pumice works very well and removes the dirt and grime without disturbing the patina. You can find Go-Jo at most hardware and auto stores. P.S., It is very inexpensive. Good luck, Don _ Windows 7: It helps you do more. Explore Windows 7. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen3:102009 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _ Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen2:102009 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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Oh, indeed. Go-Jo and most other waterless hand cleaners are available with pumice, and when you buy the stuff, you must look to get the right stuff. There is one that does the same thing, and is probably the same formulation. It's called Kotten Kleaner, or something like that. Good stuff, I understand, for about 3 times the price. [Original Message] From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 10/22/2009 11:59:06 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me It is the waterless hand cleaner WITHOUT pumice. I use a product by LD, I think it is that is sold in the hardware or laundry sections of the supermarket as both a hand cleaner and a material to remove oil/grease stains (which it does well, by the way). The brand is not as important as not having pumice. It does not remove/affect the shellac but it does cut through old hand oils, grease, wax build up. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Tom Jordan Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:18 AM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me I Googled Go-Jo and found a company that makes a lot of products including a hand sanitizer. Can anyone tell me which Go-Jo product you are referring to and where it can be purchased? Does it removed the finish or just clean it? Thank you. Tom -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Charlotte Mager Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:27 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me There is a fellow keeping a data base of Victors. You can ad yours by going to http://www.victor-victrola.com Charlotte aka Waves http://www.wavesllc.com On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Douglas Houston cdh...@earthlink.netwrote: Of course, I'm not there to see it, but my first guess would be a buildup of grime from all those years. The dining room set here was bought by my mother in 1925. Our house in Detroit had been heated with coal, as were many others in those days. On the chairs, on the top crossbar, the top surface was black, and I assumed that it was the finish. For the first time ever, I went over the dining set with Go-Jo, and the black finish on the top bar got gooey, and wiping it away, a nice walnut finish was exposed. At the time I bought my VV-XVIII, it needed a good going over to remove grime, but wasn't as bad as some cabinets I've seen. I went further and flowed the original shellac finish with alcohol. Except for some areas, the finish is as new. I wonder if anyone is keeping a log of serial numbers on these phonographs. I have the impression that all of the jobs came down the line, and were consecutively numbered, with no special notation for such special treatments as electric motor, circassian walnut, or other woods. One interesting little detail: one of our phono collectors in this area has a XVIII Electric drive. The cabinet has a cute decoratice cover over the crank hole. Evidently, all cabinets were drilled for the crank. My XVIII has mahogany finish, and spring motor; a cheapie. The serial number is 1277. The name plate on the motor board is the copper one. A few years ago, one was on eBay, with a serial number around 1309, and it had an aluminum name plate. So, it appears that, somewhere between mine and the one for auction, Victor changed name plates. At present, I'm getting my Victor Electrola 12-25 put together, checking everything carefully before I put power to the amplifier. I did the Go-Jo treatment to the cabinet. The finish on it is a mirror. I've never seen a cabinet that old, in that perfect shape. I'm anxious to have it going. I also have a 12-15 Electrola, and it's dynamite. [Original Message] From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 10/21/2009 10:04:42 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me Thanks, Douglas. Needless to say, the novelty of seeing this visitor in my music room hasn't begun to lose its luster, and the XVIII will soon regain its. I thought of Go-Jo as well, at least as a first step. The black residue is dense here and there, but it must also be darkening the finish even where it doesn't appear to be built up to opaqueness. Andy On Oct 20, 2009, at 4:46 PM, Douglas Houston wrote: I've had my VV-XVIII for about 25 years. It took a moment to realize just what I was looking at, but $120.00 was a reasonable price, regardless of condition. Everything was there, except the storage albums. One spring was broken at the outer end, and was quicly repaired. A going over with Go-Jo made it clean as new. I know
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I have an aversion to using water based cleaners on shellac or any other furniture finish, for that part. The good thing about Go-Jo, Goop, DL, or any others is that you don't put water on the finish to clean it. There is a little film left on the finish, but it sems to evaporate in a short time. [Original Message] From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 10/22/2009 1:56:18 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me It does leave a little lanolin on the surface I think. I usually do a quick spray and wipe with Fantastic (which also does not seem to hurt the shellac as far as I can tell. I tested it on a shiny part of a 78 and didn't see any cloudiness. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Longwell Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 12:04 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me So if you plan to reflow the shellac after using one of these cleaners would you still use anything else after the cleaner to prepare the surface? Glenn From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:58:04 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me It is the waterless hand cleaner WITHOUT pumice. I use a product by LD, I think it is that is sold in the hardware or laundry sections of the supermarket as both a hand cleaner and a material to remove oil/grease stains (which it does well, by the way). The brand is not as important as not having pumice. It does not remove/affect the shellac but it does cut through old hand oils, grease, wax build up. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Tom Jordan Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:18 AM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me I Googled Go-Jo and found a company that makes a lot of products including a hand sanitizer. Can anyone tell me which Go-Jo product you are referring to and where it can be purchased? Does it removed the finish or just clean it? Thank you. Tom -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Charlotte Mager Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:27 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me There is a fellow keeping a data base of Victors. You can ad yours by going to http://www.victor-victrola.com Charlotte aka Waves http://www.wavesllc.com On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Douglas Houston cdh...@earthlink.netwrote: Of course, I'm not there to see it, but my first guess would be a buildup of grime from all those years. The dining room set here was bought by my mother in 1925. Our house in Detroit had been heated with coal, as were many others in those days. On the chairs, on the top crossbar, the top surface was black, and I assumed that it was the finish. For the first time ever, I went over the dining set with Go-Jo, and the black finish on the top bar got gooey, and wiping it away, a nice walnut finish was exposed. At the time I bought my VV-XVIII, it needed a good going over to remove grime, but wasn't as bad as some cabinets I've seen. I went further and flowed the original shellac finish with alcohol. Except for some areas, the finish is as new. I wonder if anyone is keeping a log of serial numbers on these phonographs. I have the impression that all of the jobs came down the line, and were consecutively numbered, with no special notation for such special treatments as electric motor, circassian walnut, or other woods. One interesting little detail: one of our phono collectors in this area has a XVIII Electric drive. The cabinet has a cute decoratice cover over the crank hole. Evidently, all cabinets were drilled for the crank. My XVIII has mahogany finish, and spring motor; a cheapie. The serial number is 1277. The name plate on the motor board is the copper one. A few years ago, one was on eBay, with a serial number around 1309, and it had an aluminum name plate. So, it appears that, somewhere between mine and the one for auction, Victor changed name plates. At present, I'm getting my Victor Electrola 12-25 put together, checking everything carefully before I put power to the amplifier. I did the Go-Jo treatment to the cabinet. The finish on it is a mirror. I've never seen a cabinet that old, in that perfect shape. I'm anxious to have it going. I also have a 12-15 Electrola, and it's dynamite. [Original Message] From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 10/21/2009 10:04:42 AM
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Without disturbing the patina Good Grief!!! [Original Message] From: Don Durand durand7...@cox.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 10/22/2009 12:30:56 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me Go-Jo with pumice works very well and removes the dirt and grime without disturbing the patina. You can find Go-Jo at most hardware and auto stores. P.S., It is very inexpensive. Good luck, Don - Original Message - From: Tom Jordan tom...@msn.com To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me I Googled Go-Jo and found a company that makes a lot of products including a hand sanitizer. Can anyone tell me which Go-Jo product you are referring to and where it can be purchased? Does it removed the finish or just clean it? Thank you. Tom -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Charlotte Mager Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:27 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me There is a fellow keeping a data base of Victors. You can ad yours by going to http://www.victor-victrola.com Charlotte aka Waves http://www.wavesllc.com On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Douglas Houston cdh...@earthlink.netwrote: Of course, I'm not there to see it, but my first guess would be a buildup of grime from all those years. The dining room set here was bought by my mother in 1925. Our house in Detroit had been heated with coal, as were many others in those days. On the chairs, on the top crossbar, the top surface was black, and I assumed that it was the finish. For the first time ever, I went over the dining set with Go-Jo, and the black finish on the top bar got gooey, and wiping it away, a nice walnut finish was exposed. At the time I bought my VV-XVIII, it needed a good going over to remove grime, but wasn't as bad as some cabinets I've seen. I went further and flowed the original shellac finish with alcohol. Except for some areas, the finish is as new. I wonder if anyone is keeping a log of serial numbers on these phonographs. I have the impression that all of the jobs came down the line, and were consecutively numbered, with no special notation for such special treatments as electric motor, circassian walnut, or other woods. One interesting little detail: one of our phono collectors in this area has a XVIII Electric drive. The cabinet has a cute decoratice cover over the crank hole. Evidently, all cabinets were drilled for the crank. My XVIII has mahogany finish, and spring motor; a cheapie. The serial number is 1277. The name plate on the motor board is the copper one. A few years ago, one was on eBay, with a serial number around 1309, and it had an aluminum name plate. So, it appears that, somewhere between mine and the one for auction, Victor changed name plates. At present, I'm getting my Victor Electrola 12-25 put together, checking everything carefully before I put power to the amplifier. I did the Go-Jo treatment to the cabinet. The finish on it is a mirror. I've never seen a cabinet that old, in that perfect shape. I'm anxious to have it going. I also have a 12-15 Electrola, and it's dynamite. [Original Message] From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 10/21/2009 10:04:42 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me Thanks, Douglas. Needless to say, the novelty of seeing this visitor in my music room hasn't begun to lose its luster, and the XVIII will soon regain its. I thought of Go-Jo as well, at least as a first step. The black residue is dense here and there, but it must also be darkening the finish even where it doesn't appear to be built up to opaqueness. Andy On Oct 20, 2009, at 4:46 PM, Douglas Houston wrote: I've had my VV-XVIII for about 25 years. It took a moment to realize just what I was looking at, but $120.00 was a reasonable price, regardless of condition. Everything was there, except the storage albums. One spring was broken at the outer end, and was quicly repaired. A going over with Go-Jo made it clean as new. I know just how you feel, Andy! [Original Message] From: Mobility Scooters mobilityscoot...@xtra.co.nz To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 10/21/2009 1:26:44 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me Andy Great story! Well done that is just fantastic and to think of how many people must of seen it before you did in the afternoon. I would say it was waiting for you. There will be no stopping you going shopping
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I've used both Go-Jo (without pumice!) and Kotton Klenser. I know it's more expensive, but I really think the Kotton Klenser works better. I have complete faith in the product. I've never seen it damage any finish I've used it on. I put it on with a bristle paint brush. Apply it generously. Let it set a few minutes. Use a gentle scrubbing action with the paint brush. Wipe clean with soft dry cloth. Reapply as needed. For tougher cleansing, I use steel wool to apply it. Rub with the grain. Step back and admire your work. The KK Lemon Oil-Beeswax product is a nice follow-up product, although I actually prefer the similar Howard's Feed-N-Wax. I don't use or recommend the KK Protective Wood Feeder. Skip that step. http://kottonklenser.com/ http://www.howardproducts.com/feednwax.htm From: cdh...@earthlink.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:12:10 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me Oh, indeed. Go-Jo and most other waterless hand cleaners are available with pumice, and when you buy the stuff, you must look to get the right stuff. There is one that does the same thing, and is probably the same formulation. It's called Kotten Kleaner, or something like that. Good stuff, I understand, for about 3 times the price. [Original Message] From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 10/22/2009 11:59:06 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me It is the waterless hand cleaner WITHOUT pumice. I use a product by LD, I think it is that is sold in the hardware or laundry sections of the supermarket as both a hand cleaner and a material to remove oil/grease stains (which it does well, by the way). The brand is not as important as not having pumice. It does not remove/affect the shellac but it does cut through old hand oils, grease, wax build up. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Tom Jordan Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:18 AM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me I Googled Go-Jo and found a company that makes a lot of products including a hand sanitizer. Can anyone tell me which Go-Jo product you are referring to and where it can be purchased? Does it removed the finish or just clean it? Thank you. Tom -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Charlotte Mager Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:27 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me There is a fellow keeping a data base of Victors. You can ad yours by going to http://www.victor-victrola.com Charlotte aka Waves http://www.wavesllc.com On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Douglas Houston cdh...@earthlink.netwrote: Of course, I'm not there to see it, but my first guess would be a buildup of grime from all those years. The dining room set here was bought by my mother in 1925. Our house in Detroit had been heated with coal, as were many others in those days. On the chairs, on the top crossbar, the top surface was black, and I assumed that it was the finish. For the first time ever, I went over the dining set with Go-Jo, and the black finish on the top bar got gooey, and wiping it away, a nice walnut finish was exposed. At the time I bought my VV-XVIII, it needed a good going over to remove grime, but wasn't as bad as some cabinets I've seen. I went further and flowed the original shellac finish with alcohol. Except for some areas, the finish is as new. I wonder if anyone is keeping a log of serial numbers on these phonographs. I have the impression that all of the jobs came down the line, and were consecutively numbered, with no special notation for such special treatments as electric motor, circassian walnut, or other woods. One interesting little detail: one of our phono collectors in this area has a XVIII Electric drive. The cabinet has a cute decoratice cover over the crank hole. Evidently, all cabinets were drilled for the crank. My XVIII has mahogany finish, and spring motor; a cheapie. The serial number is 1277. The name plate on the motor board is the copper one. A few years ago, one was on eBay, with a serial number around 1309, and it had an aluminum name plate. So, it appears that, somewhere between mine and the one for auction, Victor changed name plates. At present, I'm getting my Victor Electrola 12-25 put together, checking everything carefully before I put power to the amplifier. I did the Go-Jo treatment to the cabinet. The finish on it is a mirror. I've never seen a cabinet that old, in that perfect shape. I'm anxious to have it going. I
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I love Kotton Klenser, use it all the time to clean without removing finish. It works great on nicotine covered surfaces, which may be what that black sticky gunk is. John Robles Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: gregory caringi drgr...@msn.com Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 17:04:38 To: phono-lphono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me I've used both Go-Jo (without pumice!) and Kotton Klenser. I know it's more expensive, but I really think the Kotton Klenser works better. I have complete faith in the product. I've never seen it damage any finish I've used it on. I put it on with a bristle paint brush. Apply it generously. Let it set a few minutes. Use a gentle scrubbing action with the paint brush. Wipe clean with soft dry cloth. Reapply as needed. For tougher cleansing, I use steel wool to apply it. Rub with the grain. Step back and admire your work. The KK Lemon Oil-Beeswax product is a nice follow-up product, although I actually prefer the similar Howard's Feed-N-Wax. I don't use or recommend the KK Protective Wood Feeder. Skip that step. http://kottonklenser.com/ http://www.howardproducts.com/feednwax.htm From: cdh...@earthlink.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:12:10 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me Oh, indeed. Go-Jo and most other waterless hand cleaners are available with pumice, and when you buy the stuff, you must look to get the right stuff. There is one that does the same thing, and is probably the same formulation. It's called Kotten Kleaner, or something like that. Good stuff, I understand, for about 3 times the price. [Original Message] From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 10/22/2009 11:59:06 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me It is the waterless hand cleaner WITHOUT pumice. I use a product by LD, I think it is that is sold in the hardware or laundry sections of the supermarket as both a hand cleaner and a material to remove oil/grease stains (which it does well, by the way). The brand is not as important as not having pumice. It does not remove/affect the shellac but it does cut through old hand oils, grease, wax build up. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Tom Jordan Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:18 AM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me I Googled Go-Jo and found a company that makes a lot of products including a hand sanitizer. Can anyone tell me which Go-Jo product you are referring to and where it can be purchased? Does it removed the finish or just clean it? Thank you. Tom -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Charlotte Mager Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:27 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me There is a fellow keeping a data base of Victors. You can ad yours by going to http://www.victor-victrola.com Charlotte aka Waves http://www.wavesllc.com On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Douglas Houston cdh...@earthlink.netwrote: Of course, I'm not there to see it, but my first guess would be a buildup of grime from all those years. The dining room set here was bought by my mother in 1925. Our house in Detroit had been heated with coal, as were many others in those days. On the chairs, on the top crossbar, the top surface was black, and I assumed that it was the finish. For the first time ever, I went over the dining set with Go-Jo, and the black finish on the top bar got gooey, and wiping it away, a nice walnut finish was exposed. At the time I bought my VV-XVIII, it needed a good going over to remove grime, but wasn't as bad as some cabinets I've seen. I went further and flowed the original shellac finish with alcohol. Except for some areas, the finish is as new. I wonder if anyone is keeping a log of serial numbers on these phonographs. I have the impression that all of the jobs came down the line, and were consecutively numbered, with no special notation for such special treatments as electric motor, circassian walnut, or other woods. One interesting little detail: one of our phono collectors in this area has a XVIII Electric drive. The cabinet has a cute decoratice cover over the crank hole. Evidently, all cabinets were drilled for the crank. My XVIII has mahogany finish, and spring motor; a cheapie. The serial number is 1277. The name plate on the motor board is the copper one. A few years ago, one was on eBay, with a serial number around 1309, and it had an aluminum name
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Kotton Kleanser is good stuff, I have used it, but someone said it leaves the finish soft. I think it works better than gojo. Gojo is very good at getting hand/finger smudge off where knobs and lids get used. -Barry Douglas Houston wrote: Oh, indeed. Go-Jo and most other waterless hand cleaners are available with pumice, and when you buy the stuff, you must look to get the right stuff. There is one that does the same thing, and is probably the same formulation. It's called Kotten Kleaner, or something like that. Good stuff, I understand, for about 3 times the price. [Original Message] From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 10/22/2009 11:59:06 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me It is the waterless hand cleaner WITHOUT pumice. I use a product by LD, I think it is that is sold in the hardware or laundry sections of the supermarket as both a hand cleaner and a material to remove oil/grease stains (which it does well, by the way). The brand is not as important as not having pumice. It does not remove/affect the shellac but it does cut through old hand oils, grease, wax build up. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Tom Jordan Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:18 AM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me I Googled Go-Jo and found a company that makes a lot of products including a hand sanitizer. Can anyone tell me which Go-Jo product you are referring to and where it can be purchased? Does it removed the finish or just clean it? Thank you. Tom -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Charlotte Mager Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:27 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me There is a fellow keeping a data base of Victors. You can ad yours by going to http://www.victor-victrola.com Charlotte aka Waves http://www.wavesllc.com On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Douglas Houston cdh...@earthlink.netwrote: Of course, I'm not there to see it, but my first guess would be a buildup of grime from all those years. The dining room set here was bought by my mother in 1925. Our house in Detroit had been heated with coal, as were many others in those days. On the chairs, on the top crossbar, the top surface was black, and I assumed that it was the finish. For the first time ever, I went over the dining set with Go-Jo, and the black finish on the top bar got gooey, and wiping it away, a nice walnut finish was exposed. At the time I bought my VV-XVIII, it needed a good going over to remove grime, but wasn't as bad as some cabinets I've seen. I went further and flowed the original shellac finish with alcohol. Except for some areas, the finish is as new. I wonder if anyone is keeping a log of serial numbers on these phonographs. I have the impression that all of the jobs came down the line, and were consecutively numbered, with no special notation for such special treatments as electric motor, circassian walnut, or other woods. One interesting little detail: one of our phono collectors in this area has a XVIII Electric drive. The cabinet has a cute decoratice cover over the crank hole. Evidently, all cabinets were drilled for the crank. My XVIII has mahogany finish, and spring motor; a cheapie. The serial number is 1277. The name plate on the motor board is the copper one. A few years ago, one was on eBay, with a serial number around 1309, and it had an aluminum name plate. So, it appears that, somewhere between mine and the one for auction, Victor changed name plates. At present, I'm getting my Victor Electrola 12-25 put together, checking everything carefully before I put power to the amplifier. I did the Go-Jo treatment to the cabinet. The finish on it is a mirror. I've never seen a cabinet that old, in that perfect shape. I'm anxious to have it going. I also have a 12-15 Electrola, and it's dynamite. [Original Message] From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 10/21/2009 10:04:42 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me Thanks, Douglas. Needless to say, the novelty of seeing this visitor in my music room hasn't begun to lose its luster, and the XVIII will soon regain its. I thought of Go-Jo as well, at least as a first step. The black residue is dense here and there, but it must also be darkening the finish even where it doesn't appear to be built up to opaqueness. Andy On Oct 20, 2009, at 4:46 PM, Douglas Houston wrote: I've had my VV-XVIII for about 25 years
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The Kotton Kleanser will slowly attack and soften the old varnish formulas and will dissolve many decorative decals that were used in the first 20 years of the 20th century if left in contact for very long. It will strip the decals quite rapidly. Barry Kasindorf wrote: Kotton Kleanser is good stuff, I have used it, but someone said it leaves the finish soft. I think it works better than gojo. Gojo is very good at getting hand/finger smudge off where knobs and lids get used. -Barry Douglas Houston wrote: Oh, indeed. Go-Jo and most other waterless hand cleaners are available with pumice, and when you buy the stuff, you must look to get the right stuff. There is one that does the same thing, and is probably the same formulation. It's called Kotten Kleaner, or something like that. Good stuff, I understand, for about 3 times the price. [Original Message] From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 10/22/2009 11:59:06 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me It is the waterless hand cleaner WITHOUT pumice. I use a product by LD, I think it is that is sold in the hardware or laundry sections of the supermarket as both a hand cleaner and a material to remove oil/grease stains (which it does well, by the way). The brand is not as important as not having pumice. It does not remove/affect the shellac but it does cut through old hand oils, grease, wax build up. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Tom Jordan Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:18 AM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me I Googled Go-Jo and found a company that makes a lot of products including a hand sanitizer. Can anyone tell me which Go-Jo product you are referring to and where it can be purchased? Does it removed the finish or just clean it? Thank you. Tom -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Charlotte Mager Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:27 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me There is a fellow keeping a data base of Victors. You can ad yours by going to http://www.victor-victrola.com Charlotte aka Waves http://www.wavesllc.com On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Douglas Houston cdh...@earthlink.netwrote: Of course, I'm not there to see it, but my first guess would be a buildup of grime from all those years. The dining room set here was bought by my mother in 1925. Our house in Detroit had been heated with coal, as were many others in those days. On the chairs, on the top crossbar, the top surface was black, and I assumed that it was the finish. For the first time ever, I went over the dining set with Go-Jo, and the black finish on the top bar got gooey, and wiping it away, a nice walnut finish was exposed. At the time I bought my VV-XVIII, it needed a good going over to remove grime, but wasn't as bad as some cabinets I've seen. I went further and flowed the original shellac finish with alcohol. Except for some areas, the finish is as new. I wonder if anyone is keeping a log of serial numbers on these phonographs. I have the impression that all of the jobs came down the line, and were consecutively numbered, with no special notation for such special treatments as electric motor, circassian walnut, or other woods. One interesting little detail: one of our phono collectors in this area has a XVIII Electric drive. The cabinet has a cute decoratice cover over the crank hole. Evidently, all cabinets were drilled for the crank. My XVIII has mahogany finish, and spring motor; a cheapie. The serial number is 1277. The name plate on the motor board is the copper one. A few years ago, one was on eBay, with a serial number around 1309, and it had an aluminum name plate. So, it appears that, somewhere between mine and the one for auction, Victor changed name plates. At present, I'm getting my Victor Electrola 12-25 put together, checking everything carefully before I put power to the amplifier. I did the Go-Jo treatment to the cabinet. The finish on it is a mirror. I've never seen a cabinet that old, in that perfect shape. I'm anxious to have it going. I also have a 12-15 Electrola, and it's dynamite. [Original Message] From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 10/21/2009 10:04:42 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me Thanks, Douglas. Needless to say, the novelty of seeing this visitor in my music room hasn't begun to lose its luster, and the XVIII will soon regain its. I thought of Go-Jo as well, at least as a first
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I haven't found that to be the case with edison, victor or columbia machines, but I don't let it soak either. I apply, rub in well, then remove with a soft cloth. Follow up with a coat of a quality beeswax polish for a nice vintage shine. We all have our own methods of course! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:41:14 To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me The Kotton Kleanser will slowly attack and soften the old varnish formulas and will dissolve many decorative decals that were used in the first 20 years of the 20th century if left in contact for very long. It will strip the decals quite rapidly. Barry Kasindorf wrote: Kotton Kleanser is good stuff, I have used it, but someone said it leaves the finish soft. I think it works better than gojo. Gojo is very good at getting hand/finger smudge off where knobs and lids get used. -Barry Douglas Houston wrote: Oh, indeed. Go-Jo and most other waterless hand cleaners are available with pumice, and when you buy the stuff, you must look to get the right stuff. There is one that does the same thing, and is probably the same formulation. It's called Kotten Kleaner, or something like that. Good stuff, I understand, for about 3 times the price. [Original Message] From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 10/22/2009 11:59:06 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me It is the waterless hand cleaner WITHOUT pumice. I use a product by LD, I think it is that is sold in the hardware or laundry sections of the supermarket as both a hand cleaner and a material to remove oil/grease stains (which it does well, by the way). The brand is not as important as not having pumice. It does not remove/affect the shellac but it does cut through old hand oils, grease, wax build up. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Tom Jordan Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:18 AM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me I Googled Go-Jo and found a company that makes a lot of products including a hand sanitizer. Can anyone tell me which Go-Jo product you are referring to and where it can be purchased? Does it removed the finish or just clean it? Thank you. Tom -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Charlotte Mager Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:27 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me There is a fellow keeping a data base of Victors. You can ad yours by going to http://www.victor-victrola.com Charlotte aka Waves http://www.wavesllc.com On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Douglas Houston cdh...@earthlink.netwrote: Of course, I'm not there to see it, but my first guess would be a buildup of grime from all those years. The dining room set here was bought by my mother in 1925. Our house in Detroit had been heated with coal, as were many others in those days. On the chairs, on the top crossbar, the top surface was black, and I assumed that it was the finish. For the first time ever, I went over the dining set with Go-Jo, and the black finish on the top bar got gooey, and wiping it away, a nice walnut finish was exposed. At the time I bought my VV-XVIII, it needed a good going over to remove grime, but wasn't as bad as some cabinets I've seen. I went further and flowed the original shellac finish with alcohol. Except for some areas, the finish is as new. I wonder if anyone is keeping a log of serial numbers on these phonographs. I have the impression that all of the jobs came down the line, and were consecutively numbered, with no special notation for such special treatments as electric motor, circassian walnut, or other woods. One interesting little detail: one of our phono collectors in this area has a XVIII Electric drive. The cabinet has a cute decoratice cover over the crank hole. Evidently, all cabinets were drilled for the crank. My XVIII has mahogany finish, and spring motor; a cheapie. The serial number is 1277. The name plate on the motor board is the copper one. A few years ago, one was on eBay, with a serial number around 1309, and it had an aluminum name plate. So, it appears that, somewhere between mine and the one for auction, Victor changed name plates. At present, I'm getting my Victor Electrola 12-25 put together, checking everything carefully before I put power to the amplifier. I did the Go-Jo
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The time to destruction is a factor of the type of finish and the type of cleaner used. The waterless hand cleaners all contain water, check the ingredients. The water is tied up in a couple of the other ingredients but if you wait long enough you will have water on the finish problems. john9...@pacbell.net wrote: I haven't found that to be the case with edison, victor or columbia machines, but I don't let it soak either. I apply, rub in well, then remove with a soft cloth. Follow up with a coat of a quality beeswax polish for a nice vintage shine. We all have our own methods of course! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:41:14 To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me The Kotton Kleanser will slowly attack and soften the old varnish formulas and will dissolve many decorative decals that were used in the first 20 years of the 20th century if left in contact for very long. It will strip the decals quite rapidly. Barry Kasindorf wrote: Kotton Kleanser is good stuff, I have used it, but someone said it leaves the finish soft. I think it works better than gojo. Gojo is very good at getting hand/finger smudge off where knobs and lids get used. -Barry Douglas Houston wrote: Oh, indeed. Go-Jo and most other waterless hand cleaners are available with pumice, and when you buy the stuff, you must look to get the right stuff. There is one that does the same thing, and is probably the same formulation. It's called Kotten Kleaner, or something like that. Good stuff, I understand, for about 3 times the price. [Original Message] From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 10/22/2009 11:59:06 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me It is the waterless hand cleaner WITHOUT pumice. I use a product by LD, I think it is that is sold in the hardware or laundry sections of the supermarket as both a hand cleaner and a material to remove oil/grease stains (which it does well, by the way). The brand is not as important as not having pumice. It does not remove/affect the shellac but it does cut through old hand oils, grease, wax build up. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Tom Jordan Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:18 AM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me I Googled Go-Jo and found a company that makes a lot of products including a hand sanitizer. Can anyone tell me which Go-Jo product you are referring to and where it can be purchased? Does it removed the finish or just clean it? Thank you. Tom -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Charlotte Mager Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:27 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me There is a fellow keeping a data base of Victors. You can ad yours by going to http://www.victor-victrola.com Charlotte aka Waves http://www.wavesllc.com On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Douglas Houston cdh...@earthlink.netwrote: Of course, I'm not there to see it, but my first guess would be a buildup of grime from all those years. The dining room set here was bought by my mother in 1925. Our house in Detroit had been heated with coal, as were many others in those days. On the chairs, on the top crossbar, the top surface was black, and I assumed that it was the finish. For the first time ever, I went over the dining set with Go-Jo, and the black finish on the top bar got gooey, and wiping it away, a nice walnut finish was exposed. At the time I bought my VV-XVIII, it needed a good going over to remove grime, but wasn't as bad as some cabinets I've seen. I went further and flowed the original shellac finish with alcohol. Except for some areas, the finish is as new. I wonder if anyone is keeping a log of serial numbers on these phonographs. I have the impression that all of the jobs came down the line, and were consecutively numbered, with no special notation for such special treatments as electric motor, circassian walnut, or other woods. One interesting little detail: one of our phono collectors in this area has a XVIII Electric drive. The cabinet has a cute decoratice cover over the crank hole. Evidently, all cabinets were drilled for the crank. My XVIII has mahogany finish, and spring motor; a cheapie. The serial number is 1277. The name plate on the motor board is the copper one. A few years ago, one was on eBay, with a serial number around 1309, and it had an aluminum name plate. So, it appears
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True, and I have heard that Kotton Klenser is actually a type of hand cleaner. Who knows. Go to their website at www.kottonklenser,com and there are lotsa products and faqs for use. Interesting. Is anyone else curious why 2 words normally spelt with a C are spelt with Ks (KK) and the company is in tennessee, and used to be called Rebel Products??? Just my conspiracy theory. John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:23:08 To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me The time to destruction is a factor of the type of finish and the type of cleaner used. The waterless hand cleaners all contain water, check the ingredients. The water is tied up in a couple of the other ingredients but if you wait long enough you will have water on the finish problems. john9...@pacbell.net wrote: I haven't found that to be the case with edison, victor or columbia machines, but I don't let it soak either. I apply, rub in well, then remove with a soft cloth. Follow up with a coat of a quality beeswax polish for a nice vintage shine. We all have our own methods of course! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:41:14 To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me The Kotton Kleanser will slowly attack and soften the old varnish formulas and will dissolve many decorative decals that were used in the first 20 years of the 20th century if left in contact for very long. It will strip the decals quite rapidly. Barry Kasindorf wrote: Kotton Kleanser is good stuff, I have used it, but someone said it leaves the finish soft. I think it works better than gojo. Gojo is very good at getting hand/finger smudge off where knobs and lids get used. -Barry Douglas Houston wrote: Oh, indeed. Go-Jo and most other waterless hand cleaners are available with pumice, and when you buy the stuff, you must look to get the right stuff. There is one that does the same thing, and is probably the same formulation. It's called Kotten Kleaner, or something like that. Good stuff, I understand, for about 3 times the price. [Original Message] From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 10/22/2009 11:59:06 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me It is the waterless hand cleaner WITHOUT pumice. I use a product by LD, I think it is that is sold in the hardware or laundry sections of the supermarket as both a hand cleaner and a material to remove oil/grease stains (which it does well, by the way). The brand is not as important as not having pumice. It does not remove/affect the shellac but it does cut through old hand oils, grease, wax build up. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Tom Jordan Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:18 AM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me I Googled Go-Jo and found a company that makes a lot of products including a hand sanitizer. Can anyone tell me which Go-Jo product you are referring to and where it can be purchased? Does it removed the finish or just clean it? Thank you. Tom -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Charlotte Mager Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:27 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me There is a fellow keeping a data base of Victors. You can ad yours by going to http://www.victor-victrola.com Charlotte aka Waves http://www.wavesllc.com On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Douglas Houston cdh...@earthlink.netwrote: Of course, I'm not there to see it, but my first guess would be a buildup of grime from all those years. The dining room set here was bought by my mother in 1925. Our house in Detroit had been heated with coal, as were many others in those days. On the chairs, on the top crossbar, the top surface was black, and I assumed that it was the finish. For the first time ever, I went over the dining set with Go-Jo, and the black finish on the top bar got gooey, and wiping it away, a nice walnut finish was exposed. At the time I bought my VV-XVIII, it needed a good going over to remove grime, but wasn't as bad as some cabinets I've seen. I went further and flowed the original shellac finish with alcohol. Except for some areas, the finish is as new. I wonder if anyone is keeping a log of serial numbers on these phonographs
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Good Lord, a product's name is a conspiracy theory??? Gimme a break! It's obvious that the maker of that stuff jujst wanted to give it a name that was sort of attractive, and a tad different. Misspellings were used on products from time immemorial. [Original Message] From: john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 10/22/2009 9:30:58 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me True, and I have heard that Kotton Klenser is actually a type of hand cleaner. Who knows. Go to their website at www.kottonklenser,com and there are lotsa products and faqs for use. Interesting. Is anyone else curious why 2 words normally spelt with a C are spelt with Ks (KK) and the company is in tennessee, and used to be called Rebel Products??? Just my conspiracy theory. John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:23:08 To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me The time to destruction is a factor of the type of finish and the type of cleaner used. The waterless hand cleaners all contain water, check the ingredients. The water is tied up in a couple of the other ingredients but if you wait long enough you will have water on the finish problems. john9...@pacbell.net wrote: I haven't found that to be the case with edison, victor or columbia machines, but I don't let it soak either. I apply, rub in well, then remove with a soft cloth. Follow up with a coat of a quality beeswax polish for a nice vintage shine. We all have our own methods of course! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:41:14 To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me The Kotton Kleanser will slowly attack and soften the old varnish formulas and will dissolve many decorative decals that were used in the first 20 years of the 20th century if left in contact for very long. It will strip the decals quite rapidly. Barry Kasindorf wrote: Kotton Kleanser is good stuff, I have used it, but someone said it leaves the finish soft. I think it works better than gojo. Gojo is very good at getting hand/finger smudge off where knobs and lids get used. -Barry Douglas Houston wrote: Oh, indeed. Go-Jo and most other waterless hand cleaners are available with pumice, and when you buy the stuff, you must look to get the right stuff. There is one that does the same thing, and is probably the same formulation. It's called Kotten Kleaner, or something like that. Good stuff, I understand, for about 3 times the price. [Original Message] From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 10/22/2009 11:59:06 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me It is the waterless hand cleaner WITHOUT pumice. I use a product by LD, I think it is that is sold in the hardware or laundry sections of the supermarket as both a hand cleaner and a material to remove oil/grease stains (which it does well, by the way). The brand is not as important as not having pumice. It does not remove/affect the shellac but it does cut through old hand oils, grease, wax build up. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Tom Jordan Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:18 AM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me I Googled Go-Jo and found a company that makes a lot of products including a hand sanitizer. Can anyone tell me which Go-Jo product you are referring to and where it can be purchased? Does it removed the finish or just clean it? Thank you. Tom -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Charlotte Mager Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:27 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me There is a fellow keeping a data base of Victors. You can ad yours by going to http://www.victor-victrola.com Charlotte aka Waves http://www.wavesllc.com On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Douglas Houston cdh...@earthlink.netwrote: Of course, I'm not there to see it, but my first guess would be a buildup of grime from all those years. The dining room set here was bought by my mother in 1925. Our house in Detroit had been heated with coal, as were many others in those days. On the chairs, on the top crossbar, the top surface was black, and I assumed
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If wiped off in a timely manner, water with GO JO will not hurt, but help the finish on the machine. My God, these machines are over 100 years old. Brantley ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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Thanks, Douglas. Needless to say, the novelty of seeing this visitor in my music room hasn't begun to lose its luster, and the XVIII will soon regain its. I thought of Go-Jo as well, at least as a first step. The black residue is dense here and there, but it must also be darkening the finish even where it doesn't appear to be built up to opaqueness. Andy On Oct 20, 2009, at 4:46 PM, Douglas Houston wrote: I've had my VV-XVIII for about 25 years. It took a moment to realize just what I was looking at, but $120.00 was a reasonable price, regardless of condition. Everything was there, except the storage albums. One spring was broken at the outer end, and was quicly repaired. A going over with Go-Jo made it clean as new. I know just how you feel, Andy! [Original Message] From: Mobility Scooters mobilityscoot...@xtra.co.nz To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 10/21/2009 1:26:44 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me Andy Great story! Well done that is just fantastic and to think of how many people must of seen it before you did in the afternoon. I would say it was waiting for you. There will be no stopping you going shopping with your wife for the rest of your life. ha ha All the very best Tony -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org ]On Behalf Of Ken and Brenda Brekke Sent: Tuesday, 20 October 2009 12:57 p.m. To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me Congrats Any chance of posting pictures??? Ken B. -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org ] On Behalf Of Andrew Baron Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 6:46 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me From time to time, I've derived vicarious pleasure from reading of some of the phono-L members' coincidental discovery and acquisition of a particularly sought-after or scarce phonograph. In general, most of the membership are in areas that are either more populated, or nearer to denser metropolitan areas than here in Santa Fe, NM. Roll back the calendar a few decades, and my region is pretty sparsely populated, with more ranching than any kind of manufacturing or other work that would draw a larger population. Fewer people = fewer manufactured goods, including phonographs. Add to this the budget for a machine that most New Mexicans had (or prioritized for music) a century or so ago, and you have relatively few phonographs to begin with, and most of those in the low-to-middle cost range. Edison Standards, Victrola IV's, X's and XI's, and low- end Columbias are inevitably the models that turn up, and usually in none too good a condition if not out of a collection. Naturally some desirable machines were brought here later on, but by and large this hasn't amounted to anything significant, and there isn't much of a collecting community here. So opportunities to build a collection are rather limited. That being said, I started collecting in 1974, when I was 12, and my Victor 8-30X, Edison maroon Gem, Edison early A-250 and a Zonophone Grand Opera were all acquired here in Santa Fe, current population 72,000. Not exactly a small town, but outside of Albuquerque, we are geographically isolated from the big population centers. The Zonophone was brought here from New England in the '70s, when its past owner moved here. To the subject at hand: Two days ago, a big local consignment shop was having their annual Fall sale; everything 30% off. This event draws what seems like half of Santa Fe, and while my wife and I usually attend it, we generally wait until late in the day to avoid the pressing crowds. Anyway, most of what the shop sells is vintage furniture, rugs, artwork, etc., some of it quite nice, but rarely anything of particular interest to a phonograph collector, so no penalty for arriving when convenient. We had been browsing around for about a quarter of an hour when the proprietor let me know that there were a couple of Victrolas in the next room. We continued looking around in the part of the store where we currently were, and after about ten minutes more, I finally said that I'd like to take a look and see what the phonographs were. We headed casually across the distance, through the crowds of people and things toward the next room. No sooner had I uttered the words These machines are going to be examples of the most common models, and probably overpriced, than I could see the unmistakable silhouette of Victor XVII or XVIII, just sticking out beyond the wall separating the rooms. Quickening my pace (they were still 20 feet away), I prepared my mind to see a Victor XVII, the alternative possibility being somewhat beyond my powers of imagination. Still, a Victor XVII would
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Of course, I'm not there to see it, but my first guess would be a buildup of grime from all those years. The dining room set here was bought by my mother in 1925. Our house in Detroit had been heated with coal, as were many others in those days. On the chairs, on the top crossbar, the top surface was black, and I assumed that it was the finish. For the first time ever, I went over the dining set with Go-Jo, and the black finish on the top bar got gooey, and wiping it away, a nice walnut finish was exposed. At the time I bought my VV-XVIII, it needed a good going over to remove grime, but wasn't as bad as some cabinets I've seen. I went further and flowed the original shellac finish with alcohol. Except for some areas, the finish is as new. I wonder if anyone is keeping a log of serial numbers on these phonographs. I have the impression that all of the jobs came down the line, and were consecutively numbered, with no special notation for such special treatments as electric motor, circassian walnut, or other woods. One interesting little detail: one of our phono collectors in this area has a XVIII Electric drive. The cabinet has a cute decoratice cover over the crank hole. Evidently, all cabinets were drilled for the crank. My XVIII has mahogany finish, and spring motor; a cheapie. The serial number is 1277. The name plate on the motor board is the copper one. A few years ago, one was on eBay, with a serial number around 1309, and it had an aluminum name plate. So, it appears that, somewhere between mine and the one for auction, Victor changed name plates. At present, I'm getting my Victor Electrola 12-25 put together, checking everything carefully before I put power to the amplifier. I did the Go-Jo treatment to the cabinet. The finish on it is a mirror. I've never seen a cabinet that old, in that perfect shape. I'm anxious to have it going. I also have a 12-15 Electrola, and it's dynamite. [Original Message] From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 10/21/2009 10:04:42 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me Thanks, Douglas. Needless to say, the novelty of seeing this visitor in my music room hasn't begun to lose its luster, and the XVIII will soon regain its. I thought of Go-Jo as well, at least as a first step. The black residue is dense here and there, but it must also be darkening the finish even where it doesn't appear to be built up to opaqueness. Andy On Oct 20, 2009, at 4:46 PM, Douglas Houston wrote: I've had my VV-XVIII for about 25 years. It took a moment to realize just what I was looking at, but $120.00 was a reasonable price, regardless of condition. Everything was there, except the storage albums. One spring was broken at the outer end, and was quicly repaired. A going over with Go-Jo made it clean as new. I know just how you feel, Andy! [Original Message] From: Mobility Scooters mobilityscoot...@xtra.co.nz To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 10/21/2009 1:26:44 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me Andy Great story! Well done that is just fantastic and to think of how many people must of seen it before you did in the afternoon. I would say it was waiting for you. There will be no stopping you going shopping with your wife for the rest of your life. ha ha All the very best Tony -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org ]On Behalf Of Ken and Brenda Brekke Sent: Tuesday, 20 October 2009 12:57 p.m. To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me Congrats Any chance of posting pictures??? Ken B. -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org ] On Behalf Of Andrew Baron Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 6:46 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me From time to time, I've derived vicarious pleasure from reading of some of the phono-L members' coincidental discovery and acquisition of a particularly sought-after or scarce phonograph. In general, most of the membership are in areas that are either more populated, or nearer to denser metropolitan areas than here in Santa Fe, NM. Roll back the calendar a few decades, and my region is pretty sparsely populated, with more ranching than any kind of manufacturing or other work that would draw a larger population. Fewer people = fewer manufactured goods, including phonographs. Add to this the budget for a machine that most New Mexicans had (or prioritized for music) a century or so ago, and you have relatively few phonographs to begin with, and most of those in the low-to-middle cost range. Edison Standards, Victrola IV's, X's
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Wow! Thrilling story. The best part is finding the broken corner piece. That would have REALLY made my day. Congratulations, Bruce M. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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Hi Ken ~ As timing would have it (of course), I'm on a deadline this week, but will try to find time within the next couple of days (hopefully) to post some photos and post a link in Phono-L. I wanted to take some before pictures, but the urge to start cleaning the cabinet (with just a little Howard's Restore-A-Finish) won out. Still, it's going to take quite a lot of gentle, observant and conscientious scrubbing to really bring out the glow that I know is going to be there. So, I'll get some photos before I start on this in earnest. Andy On Oct 19, 2009, at 5:57 PM, Ken and Brenda Brekke wrote: Congrats Any chance of posting pictures??? Ken B. -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org ] On Behalf Of Andrew Baron Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 6:46 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me From time to time, I've derived vicarious pleasure from reading of some of the phono-L members' coincidental discovery and acquisition of a particularly sought-after or scarce phonograph. In general, most of the membership are in areas that are either more populated, or nearer to denser metropolitan areas than here in Santa Fe, NM. Roll back the calendar a few decades, and my region is pretty sparsely populated, with more ranching than any kind of manufacturing or other work that would draw a larger population. Fewer people = fewer manufactured goods, including phonographs. Add to this the budget for a machine that most New Mexicans had (or prioritized for music) a century or so ago, and you have relatively few phonographs to begin with, and most of those in the low-to-middle cost range. Edison Standards, Victrola IV's, X's and XI's, and low- end Columbias are inevitably the models that turn up, and usually in none too good a condition if not out of a collection. Naturally some desirable machines were brought here later on, but by and large this hasn't amounted to anything significant, and there isn't much of a collecting community here. So opportunities to build a collection are rather limited. That being said, I started collecting in 1974, when I was 12, and my Victor 8-30X, Edison maroon Gem, Edison early A-250 and a Zonophone Grand Opera were all acquired here in Santa Fe, current population 72,000. Not exactly a small town, but outside of Albuquerque, we are geographically isolated from the big population centers. The Zonophone was brought here from New England in the '70s, when its past owner moved here. To the subject at hand: Two days ago, a big local consignment shop was having their annual Fall sale; everything 30% off. This event draws what seems like half of Santa Fe, and while my wife and I usually attend it, we generally wait until late in the day to avoid the pressing crowds. Anyway, most of what the shop sells is vintage furniture, rugs, artwork, etc., some of it quite nice, but rarely anything of particular interest to a phonograph collector, so no penalty for arriving when convenient. We had been browsing around for about a quarter of an hour when the proprietor let me know that there were a couple of Victrolas in the next room. We continued looking around in the part of the store where we currently were, and after about ten minutes more, I finally said that I'd like to take a look and see what the phonographs were. We headed casually across the distance, through the crowds of people and things toward the next room. No sooner had I uttered the words These machines are going to be examples of the most common models, and probably overpriced, than I could see the unmistakable silhouette of Victor XVII or XVIII, just sticking out beyond the wall separating the rooms. Quickening my pace (they were still 20 feet away), I prepared my mind to see a Victor XVII, the alternative possibility being somewhat beyond my powers of imagination. Still, a Victor XVII would be a great find although I already own one (courtesy of a very kind tip from a thoughtful phono-L member, $200, and a 125 mile round-trip to Albuquerque). Coming up alongside the curvy machine, I noticed first that the top curl of the rear corner post was mostly missing -- a clean break from bashing the machine into a wall or truck bed, no doubt. I also noticed the fine, expressive trim on the cabinet side and the chevron- shaped veneer pattern and practically leapt the last couple of feet so I could see the front of the machine, which left no doubt. There's something unbelievable about finding a top-end machine in New Mexico, and even though I have the XVII, and was already well aware of the differences, I had to see the VV-XVIII on the ID plate with my own eyes. The 3-digit serial number was also a strange thing to behold on a New Mexico Victrola. This was a dirty, dusty machine, with some of its edges and trim
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Thanks, Bruce ~ The moment I found that rear upper corner curl, I immediately felt like I got 20 hours back in my life, and a better quality repair at the same time. I looked for the piece before I bought it but it was too dark to see deep inside the cabinet. The best part is that there are no peripheral chips. It's going to be a very clean and practically seamless repair. Andy On Oct 20, 2009, at 10:44 AM, Bruce Mercer wrote: Wow! Thrilling story. The best part is finding the broken corner piece. That would have REALLY made my day. Congratulations, Bruce M. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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I've had my VV-XVIII for about 25 years. It took a moment to realize just what I was looking at, but $120.00 was a reasonable price, regardless of condition. Everything was there, except the storage albums. One spring was broken at the outer end, and was quicly repaired. A going over with Go-Jo made it clean as new. I know just how you feel, Andy! [Original Message] From: Mobility Scooters mobilityscoot...@xtra.co.nz To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 10/21/2009 1:26:44 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me Andy Great story! Well done that is just fantastic and to think of how many people must of seen it before you did in the afternoon. I would say it was waiting for you. There will be no stopping you going shopping with your wife for the rest of your life. ha ha All the very best Tony -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org]on Behalf Of Ken and Brenda Brekke Sent: Tuesday, 20 October 2009 12:57 p.m. To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me Congrats Any chance of posting pictures??? Ken B. -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Baron Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 6:46 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me From time to time, I've derived vicarious pleasure from reading of some of the phono-L members' coincidental discovery and acquisition of a particularly sought-after or scarce phonograph. In general, most of the membership are in areas that are either more populated, or nearer to denser metropolitan areas than here in Santa Fe, NM. Roll back the calendar a few decades, and my region is pretty sparsely populated, with more ranching than any kind of manufacturing or other work that would draw a larger population. Fewer people = fewer manufactured goods, including phonographs. Add to this the budget for a machine that most New Mexicans had (or prioritized for music) a century or so ago, and you have relatively few phonographs to begin with, and most of those in the low-to-middle cost range. Edison Standards, Victrola IV's, X's and XI's, and low- end Columbias are inevitably the models that turn up, and usually in none too good a condition if not out of a collection. Naturally some desirable machines were brought here later on, but by and large this hasn't amounted to anything significant, and there isn't much of a collecting community here. So opportunities to build a collection are rather limited. That being said, I started collecting in 1974, when I was 12, and my Victor 8-30X, Edison maroon Gem, Edison early A-250 and a Zonophone Grand Opera were all acquired here in Santa Fe, current population 72,000. Not exactly a small town, but outside of Albuquerque, we are geographically isolated from the big population centers. The Zonophone was brought here from New England in the '70s, when its past owner moved here. To the subject at hand: Two days ago, a big local consignment shop was having their annual Fall sale; everything 30% off. This event draws what seems like half of Santa Fe, and while my wife and I usually attend it, we generally wait until late in the day to avoid the pressing crowds. Anyway, most of what the shop sells is vintage furniture, rugs, artwork, etc., some of it quite nice, but rarely anything of particular interest to a phonograph collector, so no penalty for arriving when convenient. We had been browsing around for about a quarter of an hour when the proprietor let me know that there were a couple of Victrolas in the next room. We continued looking around in the part of the store where we currently were, and after about ten minutes more, I finally said that I'd like to take a look and see what the phonographs were. We headed casually across the distance, through the crowds of people and things toward the next room. No sooner had I uttered the words These machines are going to be examples of the most common models, and probably overpriced, than I could see the unmistakable silhouette of Victor XVII or XVIII, just sticking out beyond the wall separating the rooms. Quickening my pace (they were still 20 feet away), I prepared my mind to see a Victor XVII, the alternative possibility being somewhat beyond my powers of imagination. Still, a Victor XVII would be a great find although I already own one (courtesy of a very kind tip from a thoughtful phono-L member, $200, and a 125 mile round-trip to Albuquerque). Coming up alongside the curvy machine, I noticed first that the top curl of the rear corner post was mostly missing -- a clean break from bashing the machine into a wall or truck bed, no doubt. I also noticed the fine, expressive trim on the cabinet side and the chevron- shaped veneer pattern
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Hi John and thank you for your very welcome congratulations. The serial number is 744; at the upper-middle end of the 3-digit range certainly, but still odd to see so much space in the serial number field of a Victrola. With the 30% sale price, total cost was $455.00 Andy On Oct 19, 2009, at 5:51 PM, john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Fergawshsakes, what's the serial number??? Heartiest (and most jealous) congratulations! John Robles Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:45:32 To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me From time to time, I've derived vicarious pleasure from reading of some of the phono-L members' coincidental discovery and acquisition of a particularly sought-after or scarce phonograph... ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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Congrats Any chance of posting pictures??? Ken B. -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Baron Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 6:46 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me From time to time, I've derived vicarious pleasure from reading of some of the phono-L members' coincidental discovery and acquisition of a particularly sought-after or scarce phonograph. In general, most of the membership are in areas that are either more populated, or nearer to denser metropolitan areas than here in Santa Fe, NM. Roll back the calendar a few decades, and my region is pretty sparsely populated, with more ranching than any kind of manufacturing or other work that would draw a larger population. Fewer people = fewer manufactured goods, including phonographs. Add to this the budget for a machine that most New Mexicans had (or prioritized for music) a century or so ago, and you have relatively few phonographs to begin with, and most of those in the low-to-middle cost range. Edison Standards, Victrola IV's, X's and XI's, and low- end Columbias are inevitably the models that turn up, and usually in none too good a condition if not out of a collection. Naturally some desirable machines were brought here later on, but by and large this hasn't amounted to anything significant, and there isn't much of a collecting community here. So opportunities to build a collection are rather limited. That being said, I started collecting in 1974, when I was 12, and my Victor 8-30X, Edison maroon Gem, Edison early A-250 and a Zonophone Grand Opera were all acquired here in Santa Fe, current population 72,000. Not exactly a small town, but outside of Albuquerque, we are geographically isolated from the big population centers. The Zonophone was brought here from New England in the '70s, when its past owner moved here. To the subject at hand: Two days ago, a big local consignment shop was having their annual Fall sale; everything 30% off. This event draws what seems like half of Santa Fe, and while my wife and I usually attend it, we generally wait until late in the day to avoid the pressing crowds. Anyway, most of what the shop sells is vintage furniture, rugs, artwork, etc., some of it quite nice, but rarely anything of particular interest to a phonograph collector, so no penalty for arriving when convenient. We had been browsing around for about a quarter of an hour when the proprietor let me know that there were a couple of Victrolas in the next room. We continued looking around in the part of the store where we currently were, and after about ten minutes more, I finally said that I'd like to take a look and see what the phonographs were. We headed casually across the distance, through the crowds of people and things toward the next room. No sooner had I uttered the words These machines are going to be examples of the most common models, and probably overpriced, than I could see the unmistakable silhouette of Victor XVII or XVIII, just sticking out beyond the wall separating the rooms. Quickening my pace (they were still 20 feet away), I prepared my mind to see a Victor XVII, the alternative possibility being somewhat beyond my powers of imagination. Still, a Victor XVII would be a great find although I already own one (courtesy of a very kind tip from a thoughtful phono-L member, $200, and a 125 mile round-trip to Albuquerque). Coming up alongside the curvy machine, I noticed first that the top curl of the rear corner post was mostly missing -- a clean break from bashing the machine into a wall or truck bed, no doubt. I also noticed the fine, expressive trim on the cabinet side and the chevron- shaped veneer pattern and practically leapt the last couple of feet so I could see the front of the machine, which left no doubt. There's something unbelievable about finding a top-end machine in New Mexico, and even though I have the XVII, and was already well aware of the differences, I had to see the VV-XVIII on the ID plate with my own eyes. The 3-digit serial number was also a strange thing to behold on a New Mexico Victrola. This was a dirty, dusty machine, with some of its edges and trim scraped up from careless handling, but at a glance, in generally good and very solid shape except for a few scrapes and that broken-off upper rear corner piece. Definitely not something out of someone's phonograph collection, and just as you like to find them -- clearly untouched for decades. A quick appraisal of what it had to offer revealed: Original gold V key; Gold needle cup, all original casters, all correct knobs, front and back; Large, gold crank escutcheon detached and screws missing, but still sitting on the crank about a half-inch out from the side of the cabinet; Near perfect felt on the platter; Almost certainly the original gold Exhibition soundbox, Ser. #87347B, never rebuilt; Very,
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what a wonderfully descriptive tale of the great unexpected find. Congratulations !! and thanks for sharing. Bruce - Original Message - From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 7:45:32 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me From time to time, I've derived vicarious pleasure from reading of some of the phono-L members' coincidental discovery and acquisition of a particularly sought-after or scarce phonograph. In general, most of the membership are in areas that are either more populated, or nearer to denser metropolitan areas than here in Santa Fe, NM. Roll back the calendar a few decades, and my region is pretty sparsely populated, with more ranching than any kind of manufacturing or other work that would draw a larger population. Fewer people = fewer manufactured goods, including phonographs. Add to this the budget for a machine that most New Mexicans had (or prioritized for music) a century or so ago, and you have relatively few phonographs to begin with, and most of those in the low-to-middle cost range. Edison Standards, Victrola IV's, X's and XI's, and low- end Columbias are inevitably the models that turn up, and usually in none too good a condition if not out of a collection. Naturally some desirable machines were brought here later on, but by and large this hasn't amounted to anything significant, and there isn't much of a collecting community here. So opportunities to build a collection are rather limited. That being said, I started collecting in 1974, when I was 12, and my Victor 8-30X, Edison maroon Gem, Edison early A-250 and a Zonophone Grand Opera were all acquired here in Santa Fe, current population 72,000. Not exactly a small town, but outside of Albuquerque, we are geographically isolated from the big population centers. The Zonophone was brought here from New England in the '70s, when its past owner moved here. To the subject at hand: Two days ago, a big local consignment shop was having their annual Fall sale; everything 30% off. This event draws what seems like half of Santa Fe, and while my wife and I usually attend it, we generally wait until late in the day to avoid the pressing crowds. Anyway, most of what the shop sells is vintage furniture, rugs, artwork, etc., some of it quite nice, but rarely anything of particular interest to a phonograph collector, so no penalty for arriving when convenient. We had been browsing around for about a quarter of an hour when the proprietor let me know that there were a couple of Victrolas in the next room. We continued looking around in the part of the store where we currently were, and after about ten minutes more, I finally said that I'd like to take a look and see what the phonographs were. We headed casually across the distance, through the crowds of people and things toward the next room. No sooner had I uttered the words These machines are going to be examples of the most common models, and probably overpriced, than I could see the unmistakable silhouette of Victor XVII or XVIII, just sticking out beyond the wall separating the rooms. Quickening my pace (they were still 20 feet away), I prepared my mind to see a Victor XVII, the alternative possibility being somewhat beyond my powers of imagination. Still, a Victor XVII would be a great find although I already own one (courtesy of a very kind tip from a thoughtful phono-L member, $200, and a 125 mile round-trip to Albuquerque). Coming up alongside the curvy machine, I noticed first that the top curl of the rear corner post was mostly missing -- a clean break from bashing the machine into a wall or truck bed, no doubt. I also noticed the fine, expressive trim on the cabinet side and the chevron- shaped veneer pattern and practically leapt the last couple of feet so I could see the front of the machine, which left no doubt. There's something unbelievable about finding a top-end machine in New Mexico, and even though I have the XVII, and was already well aware of the differences, I had to see the VV-XVIII on the ID plate with my own eyes. The 3-digit serial number was also a strange thing to behold on a New Mexico Victrola. This was a dirty, dusty machine, with some of its edges and trim scraped up from careless handling, but at a glance, in generally good and very solid shape except for a few scrapes and that broken-off upper rear corner piece. Definitely not something out of someone's phonograph collection, and just as you like to find them -- clearly untouched for decades. A quick appraisal of what it had to offer revealed: Original gold V key; Gold needle cup, all original casters, all correct knobs, front and back; Large, gold crank escutcheon detached and screws missing, but still sitting on the crank about a half-inch out from the side of the cabinet; Near perfect
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Good story, Andy! Far out! : ) Edward ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me
Congratulations. You never know when you will find a gem. The thrill of finding something that you collect is exhilarating. From the Desk of Kat Hall Executive Assistant to Ms. Smith (Publisher) Review Coordinator Author Liaison www.champagnebooks.com www.carnalpassions.com www.thewritersvineyard.com -- From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 5:45 PM To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me From time to time, I've derived vicarious pleasure from reading of some of the phono-L members' coincidental discovery and acquisition of a particularly sought-after or scarce phonograph. In general, most of the membership are in areas that are either more populated, or nearer to denser metropolitan areas than here in Santa Fe, NM. Roll back the calendar a few decades, and my region is pretty sparsely populated, with more ranching than any kind of manufacturing or other work that would draw a larger population. Fewer people = fewer manufactured goods, including phonographs. Add to this the budget for a machine that most New Mexicans had (or prioritized for music) a century or so ago, and you have relatively few phonographs to begin with, and most of those in the low-to-middle cost range. Edison Standards, Victrola IV's, X's and XI's, and low- end Columbias are inevitably the models that turn up, and usually in none too good a condition if not out of a collection. Naturally some desirable machines were brought here later on, but by and large this hasn't amounted to anything significant, and there isn't much of a collecting community here. So opportunities to build a collection are rather limited. That being said, I started collecting in 1974, when I was 12, and my Victor 8-30X, Edison maroon Gem, Edison early A-250 and a Zonophone Grand Opera were all acquired here in Santa Fe, current population 72,000. Not exactly a small town, but outside of Albuquerque, we are geographically isolated from the big population centers. The Zonophone was brought here from New England in the '70s, when its past owner moved here. To the subject at hand: Two days ago, a big local consignment shop was having their annual Fall sale; everything 30% off. This event draws what seems like half of Santa Fe, and while my wife and I usually attend it, we generally wait until late in the day to avoid the pressing crowds. Anyway, most of what the shop sells is vintage furniture, rugs, artwork, etc., some of it quite nice, but rarely anything of particular interest to a phonograph collector, so no penalty for arriving when convenient. We had been browsing around for about a quarter of an hour when the proprietor let me know that there were a couple of Victrolas in the next room. We continued looking around in the part of the store where we currently were, and after about ten minutes more, I finally said that I'd like to take a look and see what the phonographs were. We headed casually across the distance, through the crowds of people and things toward the next room. No sooner had I uttered the words These machines are going to be examples of the most common models, and probably overpriced, than I could see the unmistakable silhouette of Victor XVII or XVIII, just sticking out beyond the wall separating the rooms. Quickening my pace (they were still 20 feet away), I prepared my mind to see a Victor XVII, the alternative possibility being somewhat beyond my powers of imagination. Still, a Victor XVII would be a great find although I already own one (courtesy of a very kind tip from a thoughtful phono-L member, $200, and a 125 mile round-trip to Albuquerque). Coming up alongside the curvy machine, I noticed first that the top curl of the rear corner post was mostly missing -- a clean break from bashing the machine into a wall or truck bed, no doubt. I also noticed the fine, expressive trim on the cabinet side and the chevron- shaped veneer pattern and practically leapt the last couple of feet so I could see the front of the machine, which left no doubt. There's something unbelievable about finding a top-end machine in New Mexico, and even though I have the XVII, and was already well aware of the differences, I had to see the VV-XVIII on the ID plate with my own eyes. The 3-digit serial number was also a strange thing to behold on a New Mexico Victrola. This was a dirty, dusty machine, with some of its edges and trim scraped up from careless handling, but at a glance, in generally good and very solid shape except for a few scrapes and that broken-off upper rear corner piece. Definitely not something out of someone's phonograph collection, and just as you like to find them -- clearly untouched for decades. A quick appraisal of what it had to offer revealed: Original gold V key;
