[pinhole-discussion] Help - need a 5 x 7 empty film/paper box
This may seem silly, but I have a 1000 foot roll of 5 wide film, and nothing to put sheets I cut off the roll into. Locally, labs won't give up their boxes, or everything comes on a roll in a black-lined bag...I got one of those and used it to ship some film in and save the roll cannister in. I haven't tried any schools yet...but remembered the list. Is there anyone who uses so much paper they could spare a box or two? I'd be happy to reimburse postage. Or, if someone has dreamed up a way to lightproof a greeting card box or whatver, a suggestion would be appreciated (and so obvious after the enlightenment, too). Thanks Murray
Re: [pinhole-discussion] fingers of light
Hi Jean-Louis, I will quote from myself. This is something I just sent to Murray. We were discussing his aerial film that he got on Ebay. He sent me some and I made an exposure with a newly made film box 5x7 50mm pinhole camera: http://www.???/discussion/upload/gallery2002.php?pic=rheathermurysfilm1.jpg He asked about contrast and I tried to explain the difference between global contrast (the total luminance difference from highlights to shadow) verses local contrast ( the appearance of exetnded detail within the light and/or dark areas of the print): High contrast is a double edged sword. We all like to see a brilliant image with full tonal range, deep blacks with detail and bright whites with detail. When you see a print like that you say high contrast as compared to flat or muddy. However the job of the film is to record all the available detail and allow a brilliant print. High contrast in film often means little latitude for over and under exposure. Some scenes have a tremendous range in luminance, bright sky, dark foreground. For that you need a film that tolerates heavy exposure. Expose for the shadow detail and curtail development enough to use the highlights. In darkroom printing you will then dodge and burn to get an even print with the illusion of high local contrast but actually greatly contracting the tonal range. This is easily done digitally by selective masking and manipulating of tonal range but it is the main magic and alchemy of a darkroom printer. Don't get too obsessive about Zone system details but try to see the big picture that you want a usable negative not a perfect one. Most modern film has a tremendous latitude to provide a usable image as long as you don't underexpose. Richard Heather Jean-Louis Thiry wrote: I wish to thank every person who gave some attention to my dwarf picture, and their nice comment. I promise to put on line some photos and descriptions of my cameras on an html page on my site. some comments brought me to some considerations about sharpness in pinhole photography. In the lensphoto area, sharpness is essential, it is what gives the price of a lens. You may have blur by the use of a soft focus filter or lens to get an atmospheric image but even in this case your image has to be sharp whatever the contrast of the image is (lo key, hi key are two contrasts possible of a lens image). Sharpness in pinhole photography is not the first aim, you wish to get closer to YOUR eye's vision (the most precise description of what you see), which is not as sharp as a lensphoto, which can't cover all of a lanscape at a glance for exemple. Eye's vision is sharp only at one point : what you're looking at - very small. What is more difficult to get in pinhole photography is contrast. A good exposure gives good contrast as a good film development gives good contrast and you ahve only one contrast (no lo key or hi key). Am I wrong when I think that good contrast gives more sharpness to a photo? and that the atmospheric feel of a pinhole photography is due to a lack of contrast as much as a bad relation between focal length and diameter of the hole? I think there is a border between sharpness and contrast so thin that it is there that all the magic of pinhole works to help us to create those pictorialist images : painted by fingers of light. Jean-Louis (Montauban - France) -- Galerie Béla Fleck http://perso.wanadoo.fr/multimage/sessionbanjo/outbound/index.htm __ MULT'IMAGE Applications graphiques - 41, rue Voltaire - ZI Nord F-82000 MONTAUBAN Tél 05 63 63 54 54 - Fax 05 63 63 11 18 - ISDN 05 63 63 11 18 ___
RE: [pinhole-discussion] A NEW DEBATE
I choose to work with pinhole because of the sheer simple ability to poke a hole in foil, or a recycled pop can, put on a box or can put some paper or film and capture an image. It is all about the magic that happens in the process. I'm aware of the science involved and I have learned so much from so many of you on the list. *Pinholes seize the light!* ~Chuck Flagg~
Re: [pinhole-discussion] no incoming mail
on 1/14/02 3:11 PM, pinholeren...@netscape.net at pinholeren...@netscape.net wrote: this is a test-have not recieved pinhole e-mails since dec.-are there troubles ?_ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ I tried to join a discussion recently on style v. content. I'm not sure if it went through. I am getting all the e-mail and usually remain a passive voice. I'll try to be more active and se if there are problems. Thanks for checking in, Eric Baxter
[pinhole-discussion] no incoming mail
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Re: [pinhole-discussion] A NEW DEBATE
I am so happy that we are talking about the WHY of pinhole. I have been keeping an eye on this list for a while, and alot of the technical talk is not for me (don't get me wrong, some of it is really helpful if it pertains to what I am working on). My major Why's fall in to the following 3 topics. Of course there are other reasons but these are the basics. 1) My favorite part of pinhole is it's untechnical side. It's amazing how little it takes to make a photograph. Just a hole poked in aluminum foil taped to a box with some film fitted inside. That's it. The hole doesn't have to be the right size for the optimum focal length, the exposure time can be anywhere within a wide range. Just cardboard and tape hiding the film from leaks. It's like magic. And it can all be done at home. From box to film to print. 2) Making the pinhole image is all about light to me. It's so direct, the light going in the hole on to the film. It's easier to visualize than with a regular camera. Before I take my pictures I always consider what the light source will be, natural or flash, and what that will be doing in the photograph, what it will mean in the context of that photograph. 3) My other consideration in making a pinhole picture is how the camera and film size relates to the subject. I always have one camera for one project. Usually I make the camera from some cool box I have, then I find a subject that utelizes something unique about that camera. I make my first exposures not really knowing what I am going to get. Then I see the results of the first batch and see what I like and work from there. I have no idea from the start what I am going to end up with. I have no preconseved notions, I take what I get along the way and work with it. lisa
Re: [pinhole-discussion] A NEW DEBATE
alexis writes: My background is that of a painter but I am also a science graduate so I suppose I fall between two camps. art science are inseparable these days, two sides of the same coin... even if you're purely an artist you depend on science for the materials you use in science, the real missing link is creativity, especially visualization... working with pinhole cameras promotes an integrated mind initially i moved into art design because technology was boring, and now i am trying to make pinhole photography easy for everyone by developing 'soft technology' that is inexpensive and practical... it's important to me because hi tech companies computers have reduced the learning of darkroom techniques in younger generations, and that learning is carried over to other aspects of living in positive ways jim k www.paintcancamera.com
[pinhole-discussion] 2002 Swap
a. I just want to say how amazed, pleased and in aw I am from all the swap cards I've received. b. I want to say THANK YOU to everyone for making this a memorable holiday season. c. I want to apologies for the lateness of my contribution...due to several problems I have not yet finished printing them. I WILL finish mail them...promise.. regards Andy Schmitt AAndy LLC Computer Systems Created Perplexed Users UnPerplexed Dragons Slain,Ideas Generated Photographs Taken http://www.aandy.org Photography Head, Peters Valley Craft Center
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Purchasing Bespoke Pinholes in the UK
WOW thanks andy -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of Ingo Guenther Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 3:53 PM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Purchasing Bespoke Pinholes in the UK hi andy, I hope they do just that and have much fun with the mysterious pictures from the grids. I have now the adress from Barry and will send the card(one of the card´s I have made for the swap 2002) on saturday. ingo - Original Message - From: Andy Schmitt aschm...@warwick.net To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 12:13 AM Subject: RE: [pinhole-discussion] Purchasing Bespoke Pinholes in the UK Under the stampnow that's what I call creative thinking Hope they don't x-ray the mail.. 8o) looking forward to seeing some pictures too..andy -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of Ingo Guenther Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 2:20 PM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Purchasing Bespoke Pinholes in the UK Hi Barry, I will send you two small pinholes(3,05mm, it´s a Grid for a Electronic Microscope from very thin Copper) with a hole 0,2 mm, if you want. The price is one of your first pictures from the new build camera. You can mail your adress at ingoguent...@web.de and I will send a postcard with the Grids under the Stamp. happy pinholin and vergiv me my bad english regards ingo ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
