Re: [pinhole-discussion] Photo flo sub
--- Colin Talcroft wrote: > Forgive me, but I find this Photo-flo thread slightly > amusing. > > Photo-flo is cheap and it works. A bottle lasts me a > couple of years. Why go to the trouble to even think > about a substitute? > > Am I missing something? I think that the original question had to do with an emergency situation where they ran out of PhotoFlo. I agree, not bothering to use the real deal in an attempt to save money would be a false economy. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Photo flo sub
Ah, thanks and forgive me. I must have missed the original posting. I have a bottle of the stuff (Photo-Flo) in front of me. The active ingredient is: p-tert-octylphenoxy polyethoxyethanol alcohol I think the key is that this is a very neutral surface-active agent. While detergents, too, are surface-active agents (or surfactants), they are much more than that as well--fragrances and colorings, etc. are added. In a pinch I'd still say it would be better to use the old fashioned "finger squeegee" technique and then air dry than to put other stuff such as detergents on the negatives. Colin __ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Photo flo sub
- Original Message - From: "Colin Talcroft" > Am I missing something? The missing part, if memory serves me well, is that the original poster was processing some film, RAN OUT OF PHOTOFLO, was having problems with -probably- water stains and wanted suggestions for an alternative for that particular moment. I don't think anyone is suggesting to switch from photoflo to detergent, but rather answering the original poster request for a temporary alternative to photoflo. Guillermo
[pinhole-discussion] Photo flo sub
Forgive me, but I find this Photo-flo thread slightly amusing. Photo-flo is cheap and it works. A bottle lasts me a couple of years. Why go to the trouble to even think about a substitute? Am I missing something? Colin __ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/
[pinhole-discussion] photo flo
i use dishwashing detergent regularly, just a few drops after final wash, and i find that it is more reliable and leaves less residue than photoflo, plus is cheaper and less toxic. meg
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Photo-flo
Hi Tim, I used dishwashing detergent frequently. The main ingredient is Tpol, Technical product of London. It is a research product from Shell, during the second world war in London. Because it dissolves fat in water, thhe skin on hands becomes dry when using it for manual dishwashing. Therefore they add lanolin to it, and that is what you don't want on your film. The cheaper the product you by, the less additives are in it. As for your filmdryer may I suggest the following concept. Take an old hairdryer with adjustable temperature (the helmet kind of thing). Put a six foot (1m. and 80 cm,) tubular form under the dryer that is made of transparent plastic, that you can by from a roll. Close the tube by using a long zipper stitched to both sides of your long plastic tube. Underneath mount a ring of metal to keep the tube straight. I don't have time for research and development on it, but since the construction is made of readymade parts maybe that's hardly necessary. Frans van Dijk. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Tim Midkiff [mailto:ku...@vci.net] Verzonden: woensdag 6 maart 2002 17:57 Aan: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Onderwerp: [pinhole-discussion] Photo-flo Hi all, This may be a bit off topic but, is there a readily available subsitute for kodak photo-flo? I happen to be at home today and need to develop some images, both pinhole and otherwise, and i'm being plagued with spots and such. please send and ideas!!! Also what do you folks with darkrooms at home do about drying film? Has anyone build a small film drying cabinet? Or seen plans or worthy ideas? since I do both 120 and 35roll at home some, I would like something small and cheap(!) would it be feasible to construct something to dry a few rolls (2-4) of 120? maybe use muffin fans? maybe this is just wishful thinking and not practical. could 35mm film be held by both ends up in a "U" shape to conserve space? there I go dreaming again. Most importantly, the photo-flo. thanks, tim Timothy S. Midkiff "Photographers get a Click out of life!" ku...@vci.net psycho_...@excite.com ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Photo-flo
- Original Message - From: "Tim Midkiff" > > This may be a bit off topic but, is there a readily available > subsitute for kodak photo-flo? I happen to be at home today and need to > develop some images, both pinhole and otherwise, and i'm being plagued > with spots and such. please send and ideas!!! Photo-flo just helps get rid of the water's drops surface tension, it does not have any magical properties, it is basically "soap" without color or fragrance added to it. If I where you and didn't have photo-flo, I'd use 1 or 4 drops of dawn (i.e.) in a liter of water. Guillermo
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Photo-flo
- Original Message - Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Photo-flo > Hi all, > > This may be a bit off topic but, is there a readily available > subsitute for kodak photo-flo? The same thing is in that bottle of liquid sold at Gas Stations for the window washing squirter in your car. Automatic window washing liquid. The idea here is to create a wetting agent that will drain off the surface with as little residue as possible. In the process, these chemicals take any dust particles and residual chemicals that may reside int he series of principle chemistry that rendered the developed negative in the first place, including the final rinse. The best drying accessory is patience. S. Shapiro
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Photo-flo
I have read of options to Photo-Flo, but never tried them because although they may work, they may also be detrimental to the film on down the line. I'd rather not take that chance. When I developed in my bathroom, I steamed it by turning on the shower before hanging my film. Once the steam had settled things, I hung the film and closed the door. I had been having problems with dust and this took care of the situation. I've got a darkroom now and do not have those problems. Cheers - george --- Tim Midkiff wrote: > Hi all, > > This may be a bit off topic but, is there a readily available > subsitute for kodak photo-flo? I happen to be at home today and need to > develop some images, both pinhole and otherwise, and i'm being plagued > with spots and such. please send and ideas!!! > > Also what do you folks with darkrooms at home do about drying film? > Has anyone build a small film drying cabinet? Or seen plans or worthy > ideas? since I do both 120 and 35roll at home some, I would like > something small and cheap(!) would it be feasible to construct > something to dry a few rolls (2-4) of 120? maybe use muffin fans? maybe > this is just wishful thinking and not practical. could 35mm film be > held by both ends up in a "U" shape to conserve space? there I go > dreaming again. > > Most importantly, the photo-flo. > > thanks, tim > > Timothy S. Midkiff > > "Photographers get a Click out of life!" > > ku...@vci.net > psycho_...@excite.com = Handmade Photographic Images http://DRiPInvesting.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Photo-flo
Don't know about the photo-flo, but I have dried film in all sorts of configurations. One time I left a roll of film hanging for ayear to see how much dust it accumulated (surprisingly little, probaby because it was vertical and in a protected corner with no airflow.). If the film is in an area where there is little airflow it will dry without dust. I made a drying cabinet, just a vertical box with no fan, which works well also. I'd worry about dust if you just used a fan. - Original Message - From: "Tim Midkiff" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 10:56 AM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Photo-flo > Hi all, > > This may be a bit off topic but, is there a readily available > subsitute for kodak photo-flo? I happen to be at home today and need to > develop some images, both pinhole and otherwise, and i'm being plagued > with spots and such. please send and ideas!!! > > Also what do you folks with darkrooms at home do about drying film? > Has anyone build a small film drying cabinet? Or seen plans or worthy > ideas? since I do both 120 and 35roll at home some, I would like > something small and cheap(!) would it be feasible to construct > something to dry a few rolls (2-4) of 120? maybe use muffin fans? maybe > this is just wishful thinking and not practical. could 35mm film be > held by both ends up in a "U" shape to conserve space? there I go > dreaming again. > > Most importantly, the photo-flo. > > thanks, tim > > Timothy S. Midkiff > > "Photographers get a Click out of life!" > > ku...@vci.net > psycho_...@excite.com > > > ___ > Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ >
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Photo-flo
I wanted to build a drying cabinet, but use my only (rather small) bathroom for developing film, so I had to find a temporary solution. I went to a Linens N Things and bought a hanging canvas garment storage bag. You can get them at a lot of places (Bed, Bath, & Beyond, K-Mart, Target, whatever). It has a metal rack at the top which gives the thing a boxy form, has a bar for hanging stuff, and zips up completely. It even has a plastic window for peeking in without opening it up. I think it cost $20-25. I hang it on my shower curtain rod, and it is more than tall enough for a roll of 120 film (and wide enough for four or more rolls). I haven't tried it, but a 36 exp 35mm roll should be no problem. When I'm done, the whole thing collapses up and stores in a closet. If you wanted, you could even cut a hole in the top and put in a hair dryer, but that never seemed like a good idea to me. With some sort of Photo-Flo agent, it dries plenty fast on its own. My only issue with it is that it would be easy to brush the film against the flaps/zipper when hanging it up. You just have to be careful about it, or find one that has flaps that can be opened up more completely. Sorry, no ideas on a Photo-Flo substitute. -Theron Trowbridge the...@dankerton.net ^ -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???] On Behalf Of Tim Midkiff Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 8:57 AM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Photo-flo Hi all, This may be a bit off topic but, is there a readily available subsitute for kodak photo-flo? I happen to be at home today and need to develop some images, both pinhole and otherwise, and i'm being plagued with spots and such. please send and ideas!!! Also what do you folks with darkrooms at home do about drying film? Has anyone build a small film drying cabinet? Or seen plans or worthy ideas? since I do both 120 and 35roll at home some, I would like something small and cheap(!) would it be feasible to construct something to dry a few rolls (2-4) of 120? maybe use muffin fans? maybe this is just wishful thinking and not practical. could 35mm film be held by both ends up in a "U" shape to conserve space? there I go dreaming again. Most importantly, the photo-flo. thanks, tim Timothy S. Midkiff "Photographers get a Click out of life!" ku...@vci.net psycho_...@excite.com ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
[pinhole-discussion] Photo-flo
Hi all, This may be a bit off topic but, is there a readily available subsitute for kodak photo-flo? I happen to be at home today and need to develop some images, both pinhole and otherwise, and i'm being plagued with spots and such. please send and ideas!!! Also what do you folks with darkrooms at home do about drying film? Has anyone build a small film drying cabinet? Or seen plans or worthy ideas? since I do both 120 and 35roll at home some, I would like something small and cheap(!) would it be feasible to construct something to dry a few rolls (2-4) of 120? maybe use muffin fans? maybe this is just wishful thinking and not practical. could 35mm film be held by both ends up in a "U" shape to conserve space? there I go dreaming again. Most importantly, the photo-flo. thanks, tim Timothy S. Midkiff "Photographers get a Click out of life!" ku...@vci.net psycho_...@excite.com
