Re: [PLUG] Recommend a cheap-when-stopped VM provider?
Linode has object storage. This may or may not be something you're looking for. " Linode Object Storage costs a flat rate of $5 a month, and includes 250 gigabytes of storage." Whatever cloud platform you use, watch for transfer limits and charges. FYI - I have a small Linode instance (1 CPU core, 1GB RAM, 25GB storage) that I keep running all the time. Costs $5 a month. Brian On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 9:23 AM Mark Allyn wrote: > Tomas: > > I agree with using the image. However, you need to be careful with flipping > from biggie instance to tiny instance. The tiny instance will have smaller > disk space. I think the safest thing to do is to start with a tiny > instance. then flip to biggie but don't increase the disk space usage. Then > you should be able to flip back to the tiny one. > > > On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 10:28 PM Tomas Kuchta > > wrote: > > > You delete the linode after you save/backup its disk image. > > > > When you need it - you create/restore the vm from the stored > image/backup. > > > > That is the way to go about it. > > > > Another alternative is to use powerful vm instance when needed, change it > > to the cheapest one when not in use. > > > > Tomas > > > > On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 19:58 Mark Allyn wrote: > > > > > How do you define 'not running'? With linode, if you power down the > node > > > but not delete it, it is still be charged. > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 1:54 PM Bill Barry wrote: > > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 2:22 PM Eric House > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I've been using Linode for a few years (since SpiritOne got > hijacked) > > > > > for an always-on host. It's great. But I'm starting to play with > > > > > building OpenWRT and need more disk space and CPU than I have at > home > > > > > right now. I'd love to fire up a powerful VM for when I'm working > on > > > > > it and not pay when I'm not -- but not lose the considerable time > > > > > invested in setting up and downloading/building 20G of files. > > > > > > > > > > Linode doesn't do this. Who does? My wish list: > > > > > > > > > > * Just raw Debian. I'm happy ssh-ing in, and don't want to learn a > > > > > whole new way of interacting with a VM (which is what AWS requires > in > > > > > my casual experience) > > > > > * Powerful VMs available but billed only when running > > > > > * Free, or at least really cheap, to leave a configured VM in a > > > > > saved-but-not-running state > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have used Digital Ocean, Linode, Google Cloud and AWS, none of them > > > > charge when your VM is not running, but as far as I know all of them > > > > charge to store the image. > > > > > > > > Bill Barry > > > > ___ > > > > PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org > > > > PLUG mailing list > > > > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > > > ___ > > > PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org > > > PLUG mailing list > > > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > ___ > > PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > ___ > PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > -- "Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new." -Albert Einstein ___ PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Recommend a cheap-when-stopped VM provider?
Tomas: I agree with using the image. However, you need to be careful with flipping from biggie instance to tiny instance. The tiny instance will have smaller disk space. I think the safest thing to do is to start with a tiny instance. then flip to biggie but don't increase the disk space usage. Then you should be able to flip back to the tiny one. On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 10:28 PM Tomas Kuchta wrote: > You delete the linode after you save/backup its disk image. > > When you need it - you create/restore the vm from the stored image/backup. > > That is the way to go about it. > > Another alternative is to use powerful vm instance when needed, change it > to the cheapest one when not in use. > > Tomas > > On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 19:58 Mark Allyn wrote: > > > How do you define 'not running'? With linode, if you power down the node > > but not delete it, it is still be charged. > > > > On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 1:54 PM Bill Barry wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 2:22 PM Eric House wrote: > > > > > > > > I've been using Linode for a few years (since SpiritOne got hijacked) > > > > for an always-on host. It's great. But I'm starting to play with > > > > building OpenWRT and need more disk space and CPU than I have at home > > > > right now. I'd love to fire up a powerful VM for when I'm working on > > > > it and not pay when I'm not -- but not lose the considerable time > > > > invested in setting up and downloading/building 20G of files. > > > > > > > > Linode doesn't do this. Who does? My wish list: > > > > > > > > * Just raw Debian. I'm happy ssh-ing in, and don't want to learn a > > > > whole new way of interacting with a VM (which is what AWS requires in > > > > my casual experience) > > > > * Powerful VMs available but billed only when running > > > > * Free, or at least really cheap, to leave a configured VM in a > > > > saved-but-not-running state > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > I have used Digital Ocean, Linode, Google Cloud and AWS, none of them > > > charge when your VM is not running, but as far as I know all of them > > > charge to store the image. > > > > > > Bill Barry > > > ___ > > > PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org > > > PLUG mailing list > > > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > ___ > > PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > ___ > PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Recommend a cheap-when-stopped VM provider?
You delete the linode after you save/backup its disk image. When you need it - you create/restore the vm from the stored image/backup. That is the way to go about it. Another alternative is to use powerful vm instance when needed, change it to the cheapest one when not in use. Tomas On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 19:58 Mark Allyn wrote: > How do you define 'not running'? With linode, if you power down the node > but not delete it, it is still be charged. > > On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 1:54 PM Bill Barry wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 2:22 PM Eric House wrote: > > > > > > I've been using Linode for a few years (since SpiritOne got hijacked) > > > for an always-on host. It's great. But I'm starting to play with > > > building OpenWRT and need more disk space and CPU than I have at home > > > right now. I'd love to fire up a powerful VM for when I'm working on > > > it and not pay when I'm not -- but not lose the considerable time > > > invested in setting up and downloading/building 20G of files. > > > > > > Linode doesn't do this. Who does? My wish list: > > > > > > * Just raw Debian. I'm happy ssh-ing in, and don't want to learn a > > > whole new way of interacting with a VM (which is what AWS requires in > > > my casual experience) > > > * Powerful VMs available but billed only when running > > > * Free, or at least really cheap, to leave a configured VM in a > > > saved-but-not-running state > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > I have used Digital Ocean, Linode, Google Cloud and AWS, none of them > > charge when your VM is not running, but as far as I know all of them > > charge to store the image. > > > > Bill Barry > > ___ > > PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > ___ > PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Recommend a cheap-when-stopped VM provider?
How do you define 'not running'? With linode, if you power down the node but not delete it, it is still be charged. On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 1:54 PM Bill Barry wrote: > On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 2:22 PM Eric House wrote: > > > > I've been using Linode for a few years (since SpiritOne got hijacked) > > for an always-on host. It's great. But I'm starting to play with > > building OpenWRT and need more disk space and CPU than I have at home > > right now. I'd love to fire up a powerful VM for when I'm working on > > it and not pay when I'm not -- but not lose the considerable time > > invested in setting up and downloading/building 20G of files. > > > > Linode doesn't do this. Who does? My wish list: > > > > * Just raw Debian. I'm happy ssh-ing in, and don't want to learn a > > whole new way of interacting with a VM (which is what AWS requires in > > my casual experience) > > * Powerful VMs available but billed only when running > > * Free, or at least really cheap, to leave a configured VM in a > > saved-but-not-running state > > > > Thanks, > > > > I have used Digital Ocean, Linode, Google Cloud and AWS, none of them > charge when your VM is not running, but as far as I know all of them > charge to store the image. > > Bill Barry > ___ > PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Recommend a cheap-when-stopped VM provider?
On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 2:22 PM Eric House wrote: > > I've been using Linode for a few years (since SpiritOne got hijacked) > for an always-on host. It's great. But I'm starting to play with > building OpenWRT and need more disk space and CPU than I have at home > right now. I'd love to fire up a powerful VM for when I'm working on > it and not pay when I'm not -- but not lose the considerable time > invested in setting up and downloading/building 20G of files. > > Linode doesn't do this. Who does? My wish list: > > * Just raw Debian. I'm happy ssh-ing in, and don't want to learn a > whole new way of interacting with a VM (which is what AWS requires in > my casual experience) > * Powerful VMs available but billed only when running > * Free, or at least really cheap, to leave a configured VM in a > saved-but-not-running state > > Thanks, > I have used Digital Ocean, Linode, Google Cloud and AWS, none of them charge when your VM is not running, but as far as I know all of them charge to store the image. Bill Barry ___ PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Recommend a cheap-when-stopped VM provider?
I am also on Linode. But I have friends on AWS. Sure, the AWS mainline dashboard is confusing, however everyone I know use the Lightsail series of VPS nodes. They apparently are far easier to provision and understand. On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 12:36 PM wes wrote: > what has your experience with AWS been? for me, the initial setup is rather > confusing, but after that I just ssh in like normal. and stopping/starting > an instance is fairly painless, and they only charge you for storage while > it's off. > > -wes > > On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 12:22 PM Eric House wrote: > > > I've been using Linode for a few years (since SpiritOne got hijacked) > > for an always-on host. It's great. But I'm starting to play with > > building OpenWRT and need more disk space and CPU than I have at home > > right now. I'd love to fire up a powerful VM for when I'm working on > > it and not pay when I'm not -- but not lose the considerable time > > invested in setting up and downloading/building 20G of files. > > > > Linode doesn't do this. Who does? My wish list: > > > > * Just raw Debian. I'm happy ssh-ing in, and don't want to learn a > > whole new way of interacting with a VM (which is what AWS requires in > > my casual experience) > > * Powerful VMs available but billed only when running > > * Free, or at least really cheap, to leave a configured VM in a > > saved-but-not-running state > > > > Thanks, > > > > --Eric > > -- > > My g-bike can trounce your e-bike! > > ___ > > PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > ___ > PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Recommend a cheap-when-stopped VM provider?
what has your experience with AWS been? for me, the initial setup is rather confusing, but after that I just ssh in like normal. and stopping/starting an instance is fairly painless, and they only charge you for storage while it's off. -wes On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 12:22 PM Eric House wrote: > I've been using Linode for a few years (since SpiritOne got hijacked) > for an always-on host. It's great. But I'm starting to play with > building OpenWRT and need more disk space and CPU than I have at home > right now. I'd love to fire up a powerful VM for when I'm working on > it and not pay when I'm not -- but not lose the considerable time > invested in setting up and downloading/building 20G of files. > > Linode doesn't do this. Who does? My wish list: > > * Just raw Debian. I'm happy ssh-ing in, and don't want to learn a > whole new way of interacting with a VM (which is what AWS requires in > my casual experience) > * Powerful VMs available but billed only when running > * Free, or at least really cheap, to leave a configured VM in a > saved-but-not-running state > > Thanks, > > --Eric > -- > My g-bike can trounce your e-bike! > ___ > PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Recommend a cheap-when-stopped VM provider?
On Fri, 8 Jan 2021, Eric House wrote: I've been using Linode for a few years (since SpiritOne got hijacked) for an always-on host. It's great. But I'm starting to play with building OpenWRT and need more disk space and CPU than I have at home right now. I'd love to fire up a powerful VM for when I'm working on it and not pay when I'm not -- but not lose the considerable time invested in setting up and downloading/building 20G of files. Linode doesn't do this. Who does? My wish list: * Just raw Debian. I'm happy ssh-ing in, and don't want to learn a whole new way of interacting with a VM (which is what AWS requires in my casual experience) * Powerful VMs available but billed only when running * Free, or at least really cheap, to leave a configured VM in a saved-but-not-running state In the grand and honored tradition of not really answering your question... Have you considered scripting your installation of packages, configuration, and data rather than having to save your VM? Ansible can handle the first two (packages and configuration) pretty easily, while any accessible git repo or S3 bucket can deal with data installation. That would be my goal: script from scratch, rather than rely on full-system backups. On to your question: My understanding is that Google Cloud does not charge computing expenses for a stopped instance, though you're still charged for resources (disk, etc) attached to the instance. -- Paul Heinlein heinl...@madboa.com 45°38' N, 122°6' W___ PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
[PLUG] Recommend a cheap-when-stopped VM provider?
I've been using Linode for a few years (since SpiritOne got hijacked) for an always-on host. It's great. But I'm starting to play with building OpenWRT and need more disk space and CPU than I have at home right now. I'd love to fire up a powerful VM for when I'm working on it and not pay when I'm not -- but not lose the considerable time invested in setting up and downloading/building 20G of files. Linode doesn't do this. Who does? My wish list: * Just raw Debian. I'm happy ssh-ing in, and don't want to learn a whole new way of interacting with a VM (which is what AWS requires in my casual experience) * Powerful VMs available but billed only when running * Free, or at least really cheap, to leave a configured VM in a saved-but-not-running state Thanks, --Eric -- My g-bike can trounce your e-bike! ___ PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
