Re: ANN: Documentation Wiki Launched
Hi Dave, Once again Philip Jenvey is on the case and has implemented a prototype rst plugin which currently generates HTML but not PDF. There isn't a huge amount of Trac content on the Trac wiki (some is rst anyway) so it will probably be easier just to move the remaining articles across manually and tidy them up in the process but I'll have a look at the script as well tonight. Cheers, James primco wrote: anybody about to take a whack at trac or reStructuredText markup to confluence converter? I found this http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/CONFEXT/Trac+Importer It at least has a start with the syntax. Davep --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups pylons-discuss group. To post to this group, send email to pylons-discuss@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/pylons-discuss?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: ANN: Documentation Wiki Launched
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 20 Mar 2007, at 09:21, James Gardner wrote: Once again Philip Jenvey is on the case and has implemented a prototype rst plugin which currently generates HTML but not PDF. FWIW, I noticed an unfortunate feature of the PDF export w.r.t. code listings. Not only are line numbers lost but, depending on their position, code listings can be split arbitrarily across page breaks - what is unfortunate is that there is no continuation indication. In conjunction, this is a little infelicitous. Cheers, Graham. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iQCVAgUBRf/lTFnrWVZ7aXD1AQI1awP/TB4EDkEzG7XflLvBCvdwGoQZnC6hcX7d r2Zjz0llW6XYL13cpavk9MNMhol2D3P5FKtRoaDlE54IOEYSMJdAa6QW6nb0NOnh LQoaKDRASMUM5Kkqi2eG677Qgu12z4Lm1kGs7kiaigLupvhe1tTin7SuofJtoHls 2P+ZRajgDS8= =PHy2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups pylons-discuss group. To post to this group, send email to pylons-discuss@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/pylons-discuss?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: ANN: Documentation Wiki Launched
On Mar 18, 9:55 pm, Ben Bangert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 18, 2007, at 9:08 PM, primco wrote: So why the abbreviation pys for pylons? It was confusing when i saw the url and thought it was some other python project. I just don't understand why you have to shorten it -- specially on something that needs to be newbie friendly. Is it too late to change it to something like pylonscookbook? It seemed like an 'ok' abbreviation for pylonscookbook. I didn't think it'd cause any problems to abbreviate it slightly. But yet, at this point it does appear to late to change it, though its fairly easy to move pages between Spaces... so perhaps we can change it. well, i'd like to know what others think. seems like a critical place to be un-obscure. davep --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups pylons-discuss group. To post to this group, send email to pylons-discuss@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/pylons-discuss?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: ANN: Documentation Wiki Launched
primco wrote: On Mar 18, 9:55 pm, Ben Bangert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 18, 2007, at 9:08 PM, primco wrote: So why the abbreviation pys for pylons? It was confusing when i saw the url and thought it was some other python project. I just don't understand why you have to shorten it -- specially on something that needs to be newbie friendly. Is it too late to change it to something like pylonscookbook? It seemed like an 'ok' abbreviation for pylonscookbook. I didn't think it'd cause any problems to abbreviate it slightly. But yet, at this point it does appear to late to change it, though its fairly easy to move pages between Spaces... so perhaps we can change it. well, i'd like to know what others think. seems like a critical place to be un-obscure. It's a weird acronym to me. pylonscb would be more reasonable, or pcookbook, or pylonscooking, or something... there's no decent way to abbreviate pylons. -- Ian Bicking | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://blog.ianbicking.org | Write code, do good | http://topp.openplans.org/careers --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups pylons-discuss group. To post to this group, send email to pylons-discuss@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/pylons-discuss?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: ANN: Documentation Wiki Launched
Fellow Pylons Enthusiasts, On Sun, Mar 18, 2007 at 02:10:00PM +, James Gardner wrote: I'm pleased to announce the launch of a new wiki for Pylons documentation where we would encourage you to contribute any articles or information which you would usually post on the current Pylons Trac-based wiki. I'm very happy to see some additional Pylons documentation. I've been trying out both TurboGears and Pylons. There are a few things I like better about Pylons than TurboGears but I've been working mostly with TurboGears because of the available TG documentation and for TG widgets. It looks like Pylons is improving in both areas. There are a couple of things I'm wondering about: Is choosing a J2EE based wiki really a good way to promote python web development? Wouldn't a python based wiki be a better choice? And, if primarily for Pylons wouldn't a Pylons based wiki be an even better choice? I get the Pylons name and logo but am I the only one that immediately thinks of Land of the Lost instead of electricity when I hear the term Pylons? Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups pylons-discuss group. To post to this group, send email to pylons-discuss@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/pylons-discuss?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: ANN: Documentation Wiki Launched
On 3/19/07, Kevin Monceaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fellow Pylons Enthusiasts, On Sun, Mar 18, 2007 at 02:10:00PM +, James Gardner wrote: I'm pleased to announce the launch of a new wiki for Pylons documentation where we would encourage you to contribute any articles or information which you would usually post on the current Pylons Trac-based wiki. I'm very happy to see some additional Pylons documentation. I've been trying out both TurboGears and Pylons. There are a few things I like better about Pylons than TurboGears but I've been working mostly with TurboGears because of the available TG documentation and for TG widgets. It looks like Pylons is improving in both areas. There are a couple of things I'm wondering about: Is choosing a J2EE based wiki really a good way to promote python web development? Wouldn't a python based wiki be a better choice? And, if primarily for Pylons wouldn't a Pylons based wiki be an even better choice? I get the Pylons name and logo but am I the only one that immediately thinks of Land of the Lost instead of electricity when I hear the term Pylons? My first association with Pylons is always with Starcraft. The Protoss race builds Pylons.. and without having a Pylon first you can't build *anything*. Pylons provide the necessary power (Psi) to all of the infrastructure around them. http://www.battle.net/images/battle/scc/protoss/pix/general/basic02.jpg -bob --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups pylons-discuss group. To post to this group, send email to pylons-discuss@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/pylons-discuss?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: ANN: Documentation Wiki Launched
On Mar 19, 2007, at 7:59 PM, Kevin Monceaux wrote: Fellow Pylons Enthusiasts, On Sun, Mar 18, 2007 at 02:10:00PM +, James Gardner wrote: I'm pleased to announce the launch of a new wiki for Pylons documentation where we would encourage you to contribute any articles or information which you would usually post on the current Pylons Trac-based wiki. I'm very happy to see some additional Pylons documentation. I've been trying out both TurboGears and Pylons. There are a few things I like better about Pylons than TurboGears but I've been working mostly with TurboGears because of the available TG documentation and for TG widgets. It looks like Pylons is improving in both areas. There are a couple of things I'm wondering about: Is choosing a J2EE based wiki really a good way to promote python web development? Wouldn't a python based wiki be a better choice? And, if primarily for Pylons wouldn't a Pylons based wiki be an even better choice? Well, I guess it all boils down to the choice of a tool for a job. If the tool fits well it's purpose and it's already developed and usable, then who cares what technology is powering it behind the scenes? Something positive can be said for Python for sure: how nicely it integrates with most languages. The syntax coloring is powered by pygments running under Jython :) Alberto --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups pylons-discuss group. To post to this group, send email to pylons-discuss@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/pylons-discuss?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: ANN: Documentation Wiki Launched
Kevin Monceaux wrote: Fellow Pylons Enthusiasts, On Sun, Mar 18, 2007 at 02:10:00PM +, James Gardner wrote: I'm pleased to announce the launch of a new wiki for Pylons documentation where we would encourage you to contribute any articles or information which you would usually post on the current Pylons Trac-based wiki. I'm very happy to see some additional Pylons documentation. I've been trying out both TurboGears and Pylons. There are a few things I like better about Pylons than TurboGears but I've been working mostly with TurboGears because of the available TG documentation and for TG widgets. It looks like Pylons is improving in both areas. There are a couple of things I'm wondering about: Is choosing a J2EE based wiki really a good way to promote python web development? Wouldn't a python based wiki be a better choice? And, if primarily for Pylons wouldn't a Pylons based wiki be an even better choice? I'm not psyched about a closed-source wiki, but I think worrying about self-hosting is largely a distraction. Pylons isn't a wiki project, and it's not a documentation project. It's a project that needs documentation. Worrying about promotion in every tool used is a good way to get hopelessly distracted. Good docs are way more important for Pylons and all the associated projects than self-hosting; and actually using other products is a good way to keep people from being distracted with tool building, which is easy to do when you are trying to document something, especially if you don't love writing docs. -- Ian Bicking | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://blog.ianbicking.org | Write code, do good | http://topp.openplans.org/careers --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups pylons-discuss group. To post to this group, send email to pylons-discuss@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/pylons-discuss?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: ANN: Documentation Wiki Launched
On Mar 19, 2007, at 11:59 AM, Kevin Monceaux wrote: I'm very happy to see some additional Pylons documentation. I've been trying out both TurboGears and Pylons. There are a few things I like better about Pylons than TurboGears but I've been working mostly with TurboGears because of the available TG documentation and for TG widgets. It looks like Pylons is improving in both areas. There are a couple of things I'm wondering about: Is choosing a J2EE based wiki really a good way to promote python web development? Wouldn't a python based wiki be a better choice? And, if primarily for Pylons wouldn't a Pylons based wiki be an even better choice? Sure, and we'd love to see one. But between my full-time job, family, contract work, and open-source work on Pylons code itself I personally have zero additional time to launch a Pylons wiki-project. Using Confluence has given me some time to reflect on exactly the feature-set I do want in a wiki-type system, so someday when I do have time to work on such a project I'll know exactly what to put in. The TurboGears folks launched a project called Docudu with a similar goal of providing documentation, a wiki of sorts, etc. which apparently ran out of steam as there weren't enough people willing to commit time to develop it. Given the choice of working on a project and it not going anywhere fast, vs having something that works *now*, we choose now. The primary features I wanted were almost possible with MoinMoin, but would require a decent amount of footwork which no one had the time to do. If someone else wants to do all the work and setup a system I'll be happy to go over the requirements, but I doubt we'll have the resources to commit to such an endeavor at the moment. I did make sure that Confluence has enough Export options so that when such a Python/Pylons based system come into existence, we can switch to it. On a side-note, thanks to some herculean effort by Phil Jenvey, we have a Python based syntax highlighter (Pygments) running under Jython in Confluence. I get the Pylons name and logo but am I the only one that immediately thinks of Land of the Lost instead of electricity when I hear the term Pylons? Not sure, I didn't realize Land of the Lost references Pylons? Cheers, Ben --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups pylons-discuss group. To post to this group, send email to pylons-discuss@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/pylons-discuss?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: ANN: Documentation Wiki Launched
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 11:24:00AM -0700, Ben Bangert wrote: On Mar 19, 2007, at 11:59 AM, Kevin Monceaux wrote: I get the Pylons name and logo but am I the only one that immediately thinks of Land of the Lost instead of electricity when I hear the term Pylons? Not sure, I didn't realize Land of the Lost references Pylons? Pylons were an integral part of the Land of the Lost. They controlled just about everything from the weather to time. Oddly, I wasn't able to find a good picture of a Pylon on the 'net. The only one I could find is at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_of_the_Lost_(1974_TV_series)_geography_and_technology#Pylons One can find a picture and a little info on Pylons at the link above. The picture is not very good. Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups pylons-discuss group. To post to this group, send email to pylons-discuss@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/pylons-discuss?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: ANN: Documentation Wiki Launched
anybody about to take a whack at trac or reStructuredText markup to confluence converter? I found this http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/CONFEXT/Trac+Importer It at least has a start with the syntax. Davep --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups pylons-discuss group. To post to this group, send email to pylons-discuss@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/pylons-discuss?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: ANN: Documentation Wiki Launched
So why the abbreviation pys for pylons? It was confusing when i saw the url and thought it was some other python project. I just don't understand why you have to shorten it -- specially on something that needs to be newbie friendly. Is it too late to change it to something like pylonscookbook? davep On Mar 18, 7:10 am, James Gardner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is already quite a lot of content beginning to form on the wiki but we would like to see more! If you have an interest in a particular aspect of Pylons, now is the time to contribute an article or if you would like to help transfer the existing Trac wiki content to the new site that would be appreciated too. The Pylons Cookbook and Documentation Guidelines might be good places to start browsing: http://docs.pythonweb.org/display/pysckbook/Homehttp://docs.pythonweb.org/display/pysckbook/Documentation+Guidelines Cheers, James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups pylons-discuss group. To post to this group, send email to pylons-discuss@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/pylons-discuss?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: ANN: Documentation Wiki Launched
On Mar 18, 2007, at 9:08 PM, primco wrote: So why the abbreviation pys for pylons? It was confusing when i saw the url and thought it was some other python project. I just don't understand why you have to shorten it -- specially on something that needs to be newbie friendly. Is it too late to change it to something like pylonscookbook? It seemed like an 'ok' abbreviation for pylonscookbook. I didn't think it'd cause any problems to abbreviate it slightly. But yet, at this point it does appear to late to change it, though its fairly easy to move pages between Spaces... so perhaps we can change it. - Ben --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups pylons-discuss group. To post to this group, send email to pylons-discuss@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/pylons-discuss?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
