Re: Introduction as QA volunteer

[barinuadum bariyiga]

Nice to Meet you Benoit! 
This is my first time performing QA for the open source community. :)



On 2/8/16, 12:43 AM, "Benoit Goderre"  wrote:

>Nice to meet you Barinuadum!
>
>While the software itself is free, I believe you would need licensing for
>the OS needed when creating a VM.
>
>On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 12:16 AM, barinuadum.bariy...@outlook.com <
>barinuadum.bariy...@outlook.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello Benoit,
>>
>> I believe virtual box is free. So no licensing is required.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/8/16, 12:14 AM, "Benoit Goderre"  wrote:
>>
>> >Hi!
>> >
>> >I am thankful for this opportunity to join the team of volunteers as a
>> >Quality Assurance Specialist. My name is Benoit Goderre and I have four
>> >years of experience in the software industry. My favorite technique is
>> >exploratory testing.
>> >
>> >As I wish to start to contribute to the project, I have several questions:
>> >
>> >
>> >   1. Is this project still going on? When I checked the QA page, I saw
>> >   that the last entry was made in 2013.
>> >   2. If yes, which feature(s) would need the most testing, or which
>> >   feature(s) have the most chances to contain bugs (so I can contribute
>> and
>> >   not just test rock solid, if those ever exist, features).
>> >   3. Also, in the documentation section, it is mentioned that Virtual Box
>> >   is recommended. While I have a decent amount of experience with VMWare
>> (and
>> >   I don't think Virtual Box should be much different), the usual problem
>> lies
>> >   in the licensing when it comes to VM. Is there some information on this
>> >   topic?
>> >
>> >Thanks again for your time and I wish to speak with you soon.
>> >
>> >Best Regards,
>> >
>> >Benoit
>>

RE: Introduction as QA volunteer

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

> -Original Message-
> From: Benoit Goderre [mailto:benoit.gode...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 22:05
> To: qa@openoffice.apache.org; dennis.hamil...@acm.org
> Subject: Re: Introduction as QA volunteer
> 
> Thank you Dennis for your answer.
> 
> I definitely agree that VMs have a lot of great advantages, as you
> mentioned.
> 
> I checked the Win 10 insider license and I don't think it is a
> possibility.
> 
> What do you guys do? Do you have a licensed VM for your testing?
> 
[orcmid] 

I can only answer for myself.

I assume you mean a license Guest OS installed in a VM.

I only have two installed guests for the moment.

I have one Windows 10 Insider installed under the Hyper-V Manager that is part 
of Windows 10 Pro on a machine that has the necessary hardware capability for 
Hyper-V.  I obtained that license during the Windows 10 Insider Technical 
Preview (and at the time the Hyper-V host was a now-upgraded Windows 8.1 
device).

I also have one Windows XP guest installed under Virtual Box on another 
machine.  The XP license is one I have from an MSDN subscription.  This is not 
for testing though - I need it as a web-development server.  Virtual Box does 
not work well on the machine that has Hyper-V.  The advantage of Hyper-V over 
Virtual Box is that Hyper-V will install 64-bit versions of Windows on a 64-bit 
Host.

I don't have a current MSDN subscription, so I don't know what OS licenses 
there are for test use at this time.  If you are at an academic institution, 
there may be suitable subscriptions available via the institution.  Apache 
Committers have been eligible for free Microsoft MSDN subscriptions in the 
past.  Those generally provide licenses to several operating-system 
installations for test purposes, with OS install ISOs available for download 
from the MSDN site.  (I notice that I have existing keys for all versions from 
Windows XP through Windows 8 but not 8.1 and 10, released after my last MSDN 
subscription expired.)

I don't know of any other avenue in the case of Windows guests for installation 
in/as VMs.

For testing on Linux of course, the easy solution is to install under Virtual 
Box on whatever host you have available.

I don't know what solutions are available for running OSX as a guest OS in a VM.
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Re: Introduction as QA volunteer

[Benoit Goderre]

Thank you Dennis and Andrea for all your help!

Yes, I am on Windows 10.

I am asking about the VM because I read somewhere in all these links that
the app could corrupt the computer, which I would prefer to avoid ;).

Do we have an estimate on when builds will be released to Windows so I can
contribute?

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:05 PM, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:

> Benoit Goderre wrote:
>
>> I am thankful for this opportunity to join the team
>>
>
> Welcome!
>
> 1. Is this project still going on? When I checked the QA page, I saw
>> that the last entry was made in 2013.
>>
>
> What page? There are many outdated pages.
> http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/intro-qa.html is quite OK.
>
> 2. If yes, which feature(s) would need the most testing, or which
>> feature(s) have the most chances to contain bugs (so I can contribute
>> and
>> not just test rock solid, if those ever exist, features).
>>
>
> As soon as we get the daily builds for Windows available again, we will
> want to test new translations and several bugfixes. You are on Windows,
> right?
>
> 3. Also, in the documentation section, it is mentioned that Virtual Box
>> is recommended.
>>
>
> The page above suggests VirtualBox as a "more sophisticated approach".
> This is correct. Most volunteers are not expected to run their tests in a
> Virtual Machine. So don't worry about this technicality, you can perfectly
> start by installing development builds on your own system.
>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
>
>
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Re: Introduction as QA volunteer

[Andrea Pescetti]

Benoit Goderre wrote:

I am thankful for this opportunity to join the team


Welcome!


1. Is this project still going on? When I checked the QA page, I saw
that the last entry was made in 2013.


What page? There are many outdated pages. 
http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/intro-qa.html is quite OK.



2. If yes, which feature(s) would need the most testing, or which
feature(s) have the most chances to contain bugs (so I can contribute and
not just test rock solid, if those ever exist, features).


As soon as we get the daily builds for Windows available again, we will 
want to test new translations and several bugfixes. You are on Windows, 
right?



3. Also, in the documentation section, it is mentioned that Virtual Box
is recommended.


The page above suggests VirtualBox as a "more sophisticated approach". 
This is correct. Most volunteers are not expected to run their tests in 
a Virtual Machine. So don't worry about this technicality, you can 
perfectly start by installing development builds on your own system.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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RE: Introduction as QA volunteer

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

I think the recommendation for using a VM is so that a machine used for 
production is not necessarily disturbed when conducting tests that may lead to 
crashes that have collateral damage.

And, a VM can be backed up and reconstituted more readily.

I also suspect that it was written by Mac/POSIX-oriented developers who only 
use Windows and maybe some Linux flavors in VMs [;<).

Whatever the reason, you are correct about licensing requirements for the guest 
OS.

 - Dennis

PS: For Windows 10, and a VM on hardware that is capable of satisfying the 
Windows 10 hardware/VM requirements, you might be able to obtain a Windows 
Insider licensed install.  You might need Windows 7 or later on the host PC 
though.  (This arrangement may have been changed since it worked for the 
Windows 10 Technical Preview.) 


> -Original Message-
> From: Benoit Goderre [mailto:benoit.gode...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 21:44
> To: qa@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Introduction as QA volunteer
> 
> Nice to meet you Barinuadum!
> 
> While the software itself is free, I believe you would need licensing
> for
> the OS needed when creating a VM.
> 
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 12:16 AM, barinuadum.bariy...@outlook.com <
> barinuadum.bariy...@outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hello Benoit,
> >
> > I believe virtual box is free. So no licensing is required.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2/8/16, 12:14 AM, "Benoit Goderre" <benoit.gode...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > >Hi!
> > >
> > >I am thankful for this opportunity to join the team of volunteers as
> a
> > >Quality Assurance Specialist. My name is Benoit Goderre and I have
> four
> > >years of experience in the software industry. My favorite technique
> is
> > >exploratory testing.
> > >
> > >As I wish to start to contribute to the project, I have several
> questions:
> > >
> > >
> > >   1. Is this project still going on? When I checked the QA page, I
> saw
> > >   that the last entry was made in 2013.
> > >   2. If yes, which feature(s) would need the most testing, or which
> > >   feature(s) have the most chances to contain bugs (so I can
> contribute
> > and
> > >   not just test rock solid, if those ever exist, features).
> > >   3. Also, in the documentation section, it is mentioned that
> Virtual Box
> > >   is recommended. While I have a decent amount of experience with
> VMWare
> > (and
> > >   I don't think Virtual Box should be much different), the usual
> problem
> > lies
> > >   in the licensing when it comes to VM. Is there some information on
> this
> > >   topic?
> > >
> > >Thanks again for your time and I wish to speak with you soon.
> > >
> > >Best Regards,
> > >
> > >Benoit
> >


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Re: Introduction as QA volunteer

[barinuadum.bariy...@outlook.com]

Hello Benoit,

I believe virtual box is free. So no licensing is required.



On 2/8/16, 12:14 AM, "Benoit Goderre"  wrote:

>Hi!
>
>I am thankful for this opportunity to join the team of volunteers as a
>Quality Assurance Specialist. My name is Benoit Goderre and I have four
>years of experience in the software industry. My favorite technique is
>exploratory testing.
>
>As I wish to start to contribute to the project, I have several questions:
>
>
>   1. Is this project still going on? When I checked the QA page, I saw
>   that the last entry was made in 2013.
>   2. If yes, which feature(s) would need the most testing, or which
>   feature(s) have the most chances to contain bugs (so I can contribute and
>   not just test rock solid, if those ever exist, features).
>   3. Also, in the documentation section, it is mentioned that Virtual Box
>   is recommended. While I have a decent amount of experience with VMWare (and
>   I don't think Virtual Box should be much different), the usual problem lies
>   in the licensing when it comes to VM. Is there some information on this
>   topic?
>
>Thanks again for your time and I wish to speak with you soon.
>
>Best Regards,
>
>Benoit

Re: Introduction as QA volunteer

[Benoit Goderre]

Nice to meet you Barinuadum!

While the software itself is free, I believe you would need licensing for
the OS needed when creating a VM.

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 12:16 AM, barinuadum.bariy...@outlook.com <
barinuadum.bariy...@outlook.com> wrote:

> Hello Benoit,
>
> I believe virtual box is free. So no licensing is required.
>
>
>
> On 2/8/16, 12:14 AM, "Benoit Goderre"  wrote:
>
> >Hi!
> >
> >I am thankful for this opportunity to join the team of volunteers as a
> >Quality Assurance Specialist. My name is Benoit Goderre and I have four
> >years of experience in the software industry. My favorite technique is
> >exploratory testing.
> >
> >As I wish to start to contribute to the project, I have several questions:
> >
> >
> >   1. Is this project still going on? When I checked the QA page, I saw
> >   that the last entry was made in 2013.
> >   2. If yes, which feature(s) would need the most testing, or which
> >   feature(s) have the most chances to contain bugs (so I can contribute
> and
> >   not just test rock solid, if those ever exist, features).
> >   3. Also, in the documentation section, it is mentioned that Virtual Box
> >   is recommended. While I have a decent amount of experience with VMWare
> (and
> >   I don't think Virtual Box should be much different), the usual problem
> lies
> >   in the licensing when it comes to VM. Is there some information on this
> >   topic?
> >
> >Thanks again for your time and I wish to speak with you soon.
> >
> >Best Regards,
> >
> >Benoit
>