Re: [Ql-Users] EasyPtr and me

[Ralf Reköndt]

Ok, but it *had* worked without problems. But the program was abandonded 
after the changes in PE.


- Original Message - 
From: "Wolf"


Hi,
IIRC that's because you might get non rectangular outlines. That
complicates matters quite bit, when saving/restoring part of the window.

HTH

Wolfgang

On 04/07/2016 08:06 PM, Ralf Reköndt wrote:

I remember that the first PE versions allowed secondaries to be outside of
primaries, and that worked, as I have seen at minimum one program, ehich
have used that. I am not sure, why TT has changed that.

Cheers...Ralf

- Original Message - From: "Marcel Kilgus"


Dilwyn Jones wrote:

Would it be possible for the AppMan program outline to be changed?
It seems
to cover the whole screen whereas actually using only a small
percentage of
it, hiding all other programs in the process.


IIRC that is because it is able to display the menus and it can only
do this in its own outline. Not knowing how big the menus you're going
to load are it makes sense to use the whole screen. A bit like with
EasyMenu itself, though I did implemented resize and move for it after
much prodding.




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Re: [Ql-Users] EasyPtr and me

[Marcel Kilgus]

Ralf Reköndt wrote:
> I remember that the first PE versions allowed secondaries to be outside of
> primaries, and that worked, as I have seen at minimum one program, ehich
> have used that. I am not sure, why TT has changed that.

Wild guess: because every secondary window then had to have its own
save area and that was not sustainable with only 128kb of RAM.

Marcel

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Re: [Ql-Users] EasyPtr and me

[Ralf Reköndt]

I remember that the first PE versions allowed secondaries to be outside of 
primaries, and that worked, as I have seen at minimum one program, ehich 
have used that. I am not sure, why TT has changed that.


Cheers...Ralf

- Original Message - 
From: "Marcel Kilgus"



Dilwyn Jones wrote:
Would it be possible for the AppMan program outline to be changed? It 
seems
to cover the whole screen whereas actually using only a small percentage 
of

it, hiding all other programs in the process.


IIRC that is because it is able to display the menus and it can only
do this in its own outline. Not knowing how big the menus you're going
to load are it makes sense to use the whole screen. A bit like with
EasyMenu itself, though I did implemented resize and move for it after
much prodding. 


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Re: [Ql-Users] EasyPtr and me

[Ralf Reköndt]

Ok, but it *had* worked without problems. But the program was abandonded
after the changes in PE.

- Original Message - 

From: "Wolf"

Hi,
IIRC that's because you might get non rectangular outlines. That
complicates matters quite bit, when saving/restoring part of the window.

HTH

Wolfgang

On 04/07/2016 08:06 PM, Ralf Reköndt wrote:
I remember that the first PE versions allowed secondaries to be outside 
of

primaries, and that worked, as I have seen at minimum one program, ehich
have used that. I am not sure, why TT has changed that.

Cheers...Ralf

- Original Message - From: "Marcel Kilgus"


Dilwyn Jones wrote:

Would it be possible for the AppMan program outline to be changed?
It seems
to cover the whole screen whereas actually using only a small
percentage of
it, hiding all other programs in the process.


IIRC that is because it is able to display the menus and it can only
do this in its own outline. Not knowing how big the menus you're going
to load are it makes sense to use the whole screen. A bit like with
EasyMenu itself, though I did implemented resize and move for it after
much prodding.




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Re: [Ql-Users] EasyPtr and me

[Norman Dunbar]

SETW is the program I was trying to remember, and failing miserably!

Dilwyn, sorry, I can't remember which edition of Quanta the articles were 
originally published in. I checked my ources and they are not Quill, nor are 
they Perfection. I have a vague recollection that they might be Write.exe but 
I'm not sure anymore. I thought they were Quill.



Cheers,
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Re: [Ql-Users] EasyPtr and me

[Wolf]

Hi,
IIRC that's because you might get non rectangular outlines. That 
complicates matters quite bit, when saving/restoring part of the window.


HTH

Wolfgang

On 04/07/2016 08:06 PM, Ralf Reköndt wrote:

I remember that the first PE versions allowed secondaries to be outside of
primaries, and that worked, as I have seen at minimum one program, ehich
have used that. I am not sure, why TT has changed that.

Cheers...Ralf

- Original Message - From: "Marcel Kilgus"


Dilwyn Jones wrote:

Would it be possible for the AppMan program outline to be changed?
It seems
to cover the whole screen whereas actually using only a small
percentage of
it, hiding all other programs in the process.


IIRC that is because it is able to display the menus and it can only
do this in its own outline. Not knowing how big the menus you're going
to load are it makes sense to use the whole screen. A bit like with
EasyMenu itself, though I did implemented resize and move for it after
much prodding.




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Re: [Ql-Users] EasyPtr and me

[Ralf Reköndt]

I remember that the first PE versions allowed secondaries to be outside of
primaries, and that worked, as I have seen at minimum one program, ehich
have used that. I am not sure, why TT has changed that.

Cheers...Ralf

- Original Message - 
From: "Marcel Kilgus"



Dilwyn Jones wrote:
Would it be possible for the AppMan program outline to be changed? It 
seems
to cover the whole screen whereas actually using only a small percentage 
of

it, hiding all other programs in the process.


IIRC that is because it is able to display the menus and it can only
do this in its own outline. Not knowing how big the menus you're going
to load are it makes sense to use the whole screen. A bit like with
EasyMenu itself, though I did implemented resize and move for it after
much prodding.




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Re: [Ql-Users] EasyPtr and me

[Norman Dunbar]

Thanks all for the birthday wishes.
It seems I'm not the only one with "leaky RAM" then, judging by the comments.

Could someone please put John Gilpin out of his PDF misery and feed the Easy 
Pointer Guide I wrote through QStripper and save the files as PDFs. The utility 
creates text searchable ones as opposed to bitmapped ones.

I would do it myself, but for some reason, I think the source files I have are 
Windows 3.11 WRITE.EXE format, and I don't have that any more. Or Word. Or 
Windows!

Thanks.


Cheers,
Norm.
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Re: [Ql-Users] EasyPtr and me

[Bob Spelten]

Op Thu, 07 Apr 2016 16:25:29 +0200 schreef Dilwyn Jones  
:


The reason for that fullscreen is that when you View a menu from the  
list this will most likely be bigger than the Main AppMan window,
so the outline is set as big as possible.Some time ago Per Witte  
suggested a way to aviod this but I need to delve into the whole  
subject-matter again before I can begin to change

that (my RAM is not what it used to be).

Would it be possible for the viewing to be done as a separate job called  
from AppMan which had its own outline for the duration of the viewing,  
for example?

(...)


I believe that was the basic idea.
A lot of parameters need to be passed to the other job and I never got  
around to working that out.

It's back on top of the pile now.

Bob

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Re: [Ql-Users] EasyPtr and me

[Marcel Kilgus]

Dilwyn Jones wrote:
> Along with people like Bob, I remember breaking your hard work a few times,
> I think it was down to me doing things nobody thought of like an application
> window menu with just one or item or something like that. Hope you've 
> forgiven us all by now ;-)

Forgive you, Bob and Per? Never! :-) The whole application menu code
can give you nightmares and I'm still rather astonished that I was
able to fix anything at all...

Cheers, Marcel

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Re: [Ql-Users] EasyPtr and me

[Bob Spelten]

Op Thu, 07 Apr 2016 15:31:58 +0200 schreef Dilwyn Jones  
:



It's about time I finish my update for AppMan.

Bob
Would it be possible for the AppMan program outline to be changed? It  
seems to cover the whole screen whereas actually using only a small  
percentage of it, hiding all other programs in the process.


That's my only little niggle about it, fantastic program otherwise.

The reason for that fullscreen is that when you View a menu from the list  
this will most likely be bigger than the Main AppMan window, so the  
outline is set as big as possible.
Some time ago Per Witte suggested a way to aviod this but I need to delve  
into the whole subject-matter again before I can begin to change that (my  
RAM is not what it used to be).


Bob

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Re: [Ql-Users] EasyPtr and me

[Marcel Kilgus]

Dilwyn Jones wrote:
> Would it be possible for the AppMan program outline to be changed? It seems
> to cover the whole screen whereas actually using only a small percentage of
> it, hiding all other programs in the process.

IIRC that is because it is able to display the menus and it can only
do this in its own outline. Not knowing how big the menus you're going
to load are it makes sense to use the whole screen. A bit like with
EasyMenu itself, though I did implemented resize and move for it after
much prodding.

Marcel

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Re: [Ql-Users] EasyPtr and me

[George Gwilt]

> On 7 Apr 2016, at 12:19, Norman Dunbar  wrote:
> 
> A most enjoyable read, thanks Marcel. I might even take you up on the offer 
> of EasyMenu 4 sometime, but these days I'm using George's not-quite-WYSIWYG 
> assembly utilities. (Due to old age - 56 today - I'm afraid I can't remember 
> the damned name of the utility I use! Aargh! Better book my etirement home 
> soon I think. :-(

I certainly find it very hard to remember things. I do remember that my 
assembler routines are referred to as EasyPEasy and they are on my website. 
From that I can find the names of any specific program.

I see also that my website contains something called TurboPTR which enables you 
to write PE programs in S*BASIC and then compile them with TURBO. This must be 
similar to EasyPtr.

George
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Re: [Ql-Users] EasyPtr and me

[Dilwyn Jones]

Fantastic. I've used Easyptr for many years and was so delighted when 
Easyptr 4 came out and I could write programs for wman2 in compiled basic. I 
guess had it not been for Marcel, i might not have written all those "grey" 
programs over the years - they'd still be black, white, green and red.


Absolutely delighted that you have chosen to make Easyptr 4 free. Between 
that and George's TurboPTR and EasyPEasy (never used EasyPEasy - must try it 
sometime) there's no excuse not to write such programs these days. Once John 
Gilpin has finished making his PDF of Norman's Idiot's Guide (or whatever it 
was called, sorry Norman, old age memory caught up with me too it seems)...


Along with people like Bob, I remember breaking your hard work a few times, 
I think it was down to me doing things nobody thought of like an application 
window menu with just one or item or something like that. Hope you've 
forgiven us all by now ;-)


Thank you Marcel.

Dilwyn Jones

-Original Message- 
From: Marcel Kilgus

Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 11:44 PM
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Subject: [Ql-Users] EasyPtr and me

I wrote up a short tale about my life with EasyPtr. Plus there's a
gift at the end:

http://www.kilgus.net/2016/04/07/easyptr-and-me/

Enjoy! If not the tale, then at least the gift ;) Cheers, Marcel

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Re: [Ql-Users] EasyPtr and me

[Dilwyn Jones]

It's about time I finish my update for AppMan.

Bob
Would it be possible for the AppMan program outline to be changed? It seems 
to cover the whole screen whereas actually using only a small percentage of 
it, hiding all other programs in the process.


That's my only little niggle about it, fantastic program otherwise.

Dilwyn 




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Re: [Ql-Users] EasyPtr and me

[François Van Emelen]

Op 7/04/2016 om 0:44 schreef Marcel Kilgus:

I wrote up a short tale about my life with EasyPtr. Plus there's a
gift at the end:

http://www.kilgus.net/2016/04/07/easyptr-and-me/

Enjoy! If not the tale, then at least the gift ;) Cheers, Marcel

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Many thanks Marcel.
I bought my copy many years ago in Eindhoven at one of the many QL shows 
there.
I remember we had to queue for updates/upgrades (QD, Easyptr, QPC,...) 
at Jochen's stand.


François Van Emelen


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Re: [Ql-Users] EasyPtr and me

[Marcel Kilgus]

Bob Spelten wrote:
>> I wrote up a short tale about my life with EasyPtr. Plus there's a
>> gift at the end:
>>
>> http://www.kilgus.net/2016/04/07/easyptr-and-me/
>>
>> Enjoy! If not the tale, then at least the gift ;) Cheers, Marcel
>
> I like the tale.

Thanks.

> My copy of EP3 was bought in '93 at an Eindhoven meeting from Albin  
> Hessler himself.

Then I probably was there, too, but in the before-QPC times still
somewhat of an unknown ;)

> And you may remember when you worked on EP4, SuQcess tested areas not
> reached before.

I have successfully suppressed most of that memory :-) But I myself
learned a bit about application windows then... I always found them
kind of difficult to use.

> It's about time I finish my update for AppMan.

I can update the distribution if you finish it.

Cheers, Marcel

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Re: [Ql-Users] EasyPtr and me

[Bob Spelten]

Op Thu, 07 Apr 2016 00:44:35 +0200 schreef Marcel Kilgus  
:



I wrote up a short tale about my life with EasyPtr. Plus there's a
gift at the end:

http://www.kilgus.net/2016/04/07/easyptr-and-me/

Enjoy! If not the tale, then at least the gift ;) Cheers, Marcel


I like the tale.
My copy of EP3 was bought in '93 at an Eindhoven meeting from Albin  
Hessler himself.

It was not as easy as I thought and lay dormant for many years.
Not until Wolfgang Uhlig gave me the sources of SuQcess did I really  
understand how to use it.
And you may remember when you worked on EP4, SuQcess tested areas not  
reached before.

It also made it easier for me to understand QPTR.
It's about time I finish my update for AppMan.

Bob

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Re: [Ql-Users] EasyPtr and me

[Marcel Kilgus]

Norman Dunbar wrote:
> What Darren said! ;-)
>
> A most enjoyable read, thanks Marcel. I might even take you up on
> the offer of EasyMenu 4 sometime, but these days I'm using George's
> not-quite-WYSIWYG assembly utilities.

You can always use EasyMenu to design the menu and EasySource to
generate the assembler source from it ;-) I guess George's utilities
work with standard definitions, too, don't they?

> (Due to old age - 56 today -

Today? Happy birthday then :-)

Cheers, Marcel

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Re: [Ql-Users] EasyPtr and me

[Norman Dunbar]

What Darren said! ;-)

A most enjoyable read, thanks Marcel. I might even take you up on the offer of 
EasyMenu 4 sometime, but these days I'm using George's not-quite-WYSIWYG 
assembly utilities. (Due to old age - 56 today - I'm afraid I can't remember 
the damned name of the utility I use! Aargh! Better book my  etirement home 
soon I think. :-(


Cheers,
Norm.

On 7 April 2016 00:24:03 BST, Darren Branagh  wrote:
>What an enjoyable read :-)
>
>Thanks for the memories mate.
>
>D.
>On 6 Apr 2016 23:44, "Marcel Kilgus"  wrote:
>
>> I wrote up a short tale about my life with EasyPtr. Plus there's a
>> gift at the end:
>>
>> http://www.kilgus.net/2016/04/07/easyptr-and-me/
>>
>> Enjoy! If not the tale, then at least the gift ;) Cheers, Marcel
>>
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