Re: [Ql-Users] Marcel has done it again - SMSQE 3.31

[Ralf Reköndt]

Yes, I know. Although Marcel do not know, I would be interested in 
knowing the way, they have realized it.


Ralf

Am 11.04.2017 um 12:07 schrieb Derek Stewart:

On 11/04/17 09:58, Ralf Reköndt wrote:
Yes, would be interesting to know, how QLib does this with its 
compiled "resident" extensions.


Ralf

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Betreff: Re: [Ql-Users] Marcel has done it again - SMSQE 3.31
Datum: 2017-04-11T10:47:36+0200
Von: "Jan Bredenbeek"

On 11 April 2017 at 10:07, Derek Stewart  wrote:

Hi Marcel,


Do you think it is possible for the SMSQ/E internal compiler produce a
compiled version of the SBASIC programme?



You can EXEC a SBASIC program in the same way as a 'normal' executable
program on SMSQ/E (which actually starts another instance of SBASIC).
But the code produced by the real-time compiler is not real 68000 
code but

pseudo-code and needs the SBASIC environment to work. So it cannot be a
stand-alone EXECable program unless the SBASIC runtime environment also
comes with it.
Nevertheless it would be a great idea if you could write a procedure in
SBASIC and LRESPR the compiled code as SBASIC extension so you have it
always available. AFAIK there is no higher-level language compiler 
capable

of producing SBASIC extensions - or perhaps Qliberator?

Jan.


Hi,

Qliberator has a nice feature that S*Basic procedures and Functions 
can be compiled and loaded as Resident Procedures and Functions using the
EXTERNAL for single Procedure or Function and EXT_ALL for all 
Procedures and Functions directives in REMark statements.


Something like that would be nice to have built into SMSQ/E.



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Re: [Ql-Users] Marcel has done it again - SMSQE 3.31

[Giorgio Garabello]

Il 11 apr 2017 10:47, "Jan Bredenbeek"  ha scritto:

On 11 April 2017 at 10:07, Derek Stewart  wrote:

Hi Marcel,
>
> Do you think it is possible for the SMSQ/E internal compiler produce a
> compiled version of the SBASIC programme?


You can EXEC a SBASIC program in the same way as a 'normal' executable
program on SMSQ/E (which actually starts another instance of SBASIC).
But the code produced by the real-time compiler is not real 68000 code but
pseudo-code and needs the SBASIC environment to work. So it cannot be a
stand-alone EXECable program unless the SBASIC runtime environment also
comes with it.
Nevertheless it would be a great idea if you could write a procedure in
SBASIC and LRESPR the compiled code as SBASIC extension so you have it
always available. AFAIK there is no higher-level language compiler capable
of producing SBASIC extensions - or perhaps Qliberator?

Jan.

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Yes you can build extension with qliberator
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Re: [Ql-Users] Marcel has done it again - SMSQE 3.31

[Derek Stewart]

On 11/04/17 09:58, Ralf Reköndt wrote:

Yes, would be interesting to know, how QLib does this with its compiled 
"resident" extensions.

Ralf

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Betreff: Re: [Ql-Users] Marcel has done it again - SMSQE 3.31
Datum: 2017-04-11T10:47:36+0200
Von: "Jan Bredenbeek"

On 11 April 2017 at 10:07, Derek Stewart  wrote:

Hi Marcel,


Do you think it is possible for the SMSQ/E internal compiler produce a
compiled version of the SBASIC programme?



You can EXEC a SBASIC program in the same way as a 'normal' executable
program on SMSQ/E (which actually starts another instance of SBASIC).
But the code produced by the real-time compiler is not real 68000 code but
pseudo-code and needs the SBASIC environment to work. So it cannot be a
stand-alone EXECable program unless the SBASIC runtime environment also
comes with it.
Nevertheless it would be a great idea if you could write a procedure in
SBASIC and LRESPR the compiled code as SBASIC extension so you have it
always available. AFAIK there is no higher-level language compiler capable
of producing SBASIC extensions - or perhaps Qliberator?

Jan.


Hi,

Qliberator has a nice feature that S*Basic procedures and Functions can 
be compiled and loaded as Resident Procedures and Functions using the
EXTERNAL for single Procedure or Function and EXT_ALL for all Procedures 
and Functions directives in REMark statements.


Something like that would be nice to have built into SMSQ/E.

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Regards,

Derek
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Re: [Ql-Users] Marcel has done it again - SMSQE 3.31

[Marcel Kilgus]

Jan Bredenbeek wrote:
> Nevertheless it would be a great idea if you could write a procedure in
> SBASIC and LRESPR the compiled code as SBASIC extension so you have it
> always available. AFAIK there is no higher-level language compiler capable
> of producing SBASIC extensions - or perhaps Qliberator?

This is possible with QLiberator. No idea how this works in detail,
though.

Cheers, Marcel


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Re: [Ql-Users] Marcel has done it again - SMSQE 3.31

[Marcel Kilgus]

Derek Stewart wrote:
> Do you think it is possible for the SMSQ/E internal compiler produce a
> compiled version of the SBASIC programme?

Perhaps it's possible, but I don't see a use case for it as there is
already QLiberator and Turbo for that. And Turbo is probably faster.

Marcel



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Re: [Ql-Users] Marcel has done it again - SMSQE 3.31

[Marcel Kilgus]

Francois Lanciault wrote:
> With all those discussions about bug correction and the good,
> benevolent people who spend time to hunt them down, I wonder :
>
> Is there a proper way to report bugs in SMSQ/E ?
>
> Does asking kindly on this list enough ? :-)

Yeah, that is probably your best bet. Bribes work, too, of course :-P

Cheers, Marcel

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Re: [Ql-Users] Marcel has done it again - SMSQE 3.31

[Ralf Reköndt]

Yes, would be interesting to know, how QLib does this with its compiled 
"resident" extensions.

Ralf

-Original-Nachricht-
Betreff: Re: [Ql-Users] Marcel has done it again - SMSQE 3.31
Datum: 2017-04-11T10:47:36+0200
Von: "Jan Bredenbeek"

On 11 April 2017 at 10:07, Derek Stewart  wrote:

Hi Marcel,
>
> Do you think it is possible for the SMSQ/E internal compiler produce a
> compiled version of the SBASIC programme?


You can EXEC a SBASIC program in the same way as a 'normal' executable
program on SMSQ/E (which actually starts another instance of SBASIC).
But the code produced by the real-time compiler is not real 68000 code but
pseudo-code and needs the SBASIC environment to work. So it cannot be a
stand-alone EXECable program unless the SBASIC runtime environment also
comes with it.
Nevertheless it would be a great idea if you could write a procedure in
SBASIC and LRESPR the compiled code as SBASIC extension so you have it
always available. AFAIK there is no higher-level language compiler capable
of producing SBASIC extensions - or perhaps Qliberator?

Jan.

-- 
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Re: [Ql-Users] Marcel has done it again - SMSQE 3.31

[Jan Bredenbeek]

On 11 April 2017 at 10:07, Derek Stewart  wrote:

Hi Marcel,
>
> Do you think it is possible for the SMSQ/E internal compiler produce a
> compiled version of the SBASIC programme?


You can EXEC a SBASIC program in the same way as a 'normal' executable
program on SMSQ/E (which actually starts another instance of SBASIC).
But the code produced by the real-time compiler is not real 68000 code but
pseudo-code and needs the SBASIC environment to work. So it cannot be a
stand-alone EXECable program unless the SBASIC runtime environment also
comes with it.
Nevertheless it would be a great idea if you could write a procedure in
SBASIC and LRESPR the compiled code as SBASIC extension so you have it
always available. AFAIK there is no higher-level language compiler capable
of producing SBASIC extensions - or perhaps Qliberator?

Jan.

-- 
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Re: [Ql-Users] Marcel has done it again - SMSQE 3.31

[Derek Stewart]

On 10/04/17 20:15, Marcel Kilgus wrote:

Ralf Reköndt wrote:

As this seems to be very near at QLib, it makes me wonder, if TT has any
long lost source code of QLib.


IIRC the QLib compiler was written in Basic. I don't think there are
many similarities besides the basic concept.

Marcel

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Hi Marcel,

Do you think it is possible for the SMSQ/E internal compiler produce a 
compiled version of the SBASIC programme?


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Regards,

Derek
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