Re: [Ql-Users] QL/E v3.16 (Codename "Snow white swan", Edition 1702) is out now!

[pgraf]

On 14 Mar 2017 at 10:11, Urs Koenig (QL) wrote:

> But I'm pretty sure QL/E can be handy for you guys too, because it comes
> with all the latest QL VMs and documentation (roadmap is to release updates
> of QL/E quarterly) and, even more important, the setup and configuration is
> built and tested with maybe the widest line-up of QL compatible systems
> (QPC2, SMSQmulator under Windows and Linux, QXL card, QemuLator, uQLx on
> both Raspberry Pi and PC, QL with GC and QL-SD, MIST) with both SMSQ/E and
> Minerva.

The critical machines seem to be GC and MIST, as they are the only 
slow ones with low screen resolution. It seems hard to make things 
work with acceptable speed and look there, without wasting the 
possibilities of the other systems.

Peter

___
QL-Users Mailing List

Re: [Ql-Users] QL/E v3.16 (Codename "Snow white swan", Edition 1702) is out now!

[Graeme Gregory]

On Tue, 14 Mar 2017, at 09:11 AM, Urs Koenig (QL) wrote:
> As you said, for "back to the QL" or "new to the QL" users, QL/E is a
> quick
> and easy start. Zero installation, zero configuration, just download the
> ZIP
> file, unzip it to your desired storage location and start the QL VM of
> your
> choice. Not only the wide choice of prepared VMs, also the huge amount of
> preinstalled software and the possibility to build/make SMSQ/E are so
> much
> time-saving for beginners and even experts.
> 

I use it mainly for testing sQLux, it saved me a lot of time working out
how to setup pointer environment and stuff when I re-did mouse handling
in SDL2. Also the benchmarking tool to check I didn't massively affect
performance.

Graeme
___
QL-Users Mailing List

Re: [Ql-Users] QL/E v3.16 (Codename "Snow white swan", Edition 1702) is out now!

[Urs Koenig (QL)]

Thanks guys for the feedback.

I'm fully aware and realistic that for QL experts like you, who all
developed and maintained their own setups (QXL.win), QL/E is not the 1st
choice. In fact QL/E (QLE.win) is a derivate of my own developed QXL.win
which I started when I got my first QXL card in the early 1990s.

As you said, for "back to the QL" or "new to the QL" users, QL/E is a quick
and easy start. Zero installation, zero configuration, just download the ZIP
file, unzip it to your desired storage location and start the QL VM of your
choice. Not only the wide choice of prepared VMs, also the huge amount of
preinstalled software and the possibility to build/make SMSQ/E are so much
time-saving for beginners and even experts.

But I'm pretty sure QL/E can be handy for you guys too, because it comes
with all the latest QL VMs and documentation (roadmap is to release updates
of QL/E quarterly) and, even more important, the setup and configuration is
built and tested with maybe the widest line-up of QL compatible systems
(QPC2, SMSQmulator under Windows and Linux, QXL card, QemuLator, uQLx on
both Raspberry Pi and PC, QL with GC and QL-SD, MIST) with both SMSQ/E and
Minerva.

A nice option for experts is to replace the QLE.win file of QL/E with their
own maintained QXL.win file (just copy your file to become the QLE.win
file). They then benefit from the QL/E framework (the preinstalled and
preconfigured VMs and SMSQ/E).

And, as said, QL/E is pretty handy as a Live-System to try out new things.
And its sensitive BOOT program and the option to configure and fine-tune the
boot process without changing a single line of code in the BOOT program is a
neat feature. A lot of time went into developing the BOOT program and the
QLECFG script.

And with the work on QL/E I found and reported many bugs in the VMs and OS
and also submitted change-requests. Thanks to QL/E, SMSQmulator and QPC2 are
in the current great state.

More info and download here:
http://sinclairql.net/repository.html#QLE

QL forever!

Cheers, Urs
Urs

___
QL-Users Mailing List

Re: [Ql-Users] QL/E v3.16 (Codename "Snow white swan", Edition 1702) is out now!

[Norman Dunbar]

Sorry. Full stop after "Marcel" and not a comma!

Cheers,
Norm.

On 13 March 2017 13:58:06 GMT+00:00, Norman Dunbar  
wrote:
>Afternoon Urs,
>
>I'm in full agreement with Marcel, I have not yet looked at any of your
>QL/E offerings *in any depth* , not because of any lack of interest,
>but because I have my system running how I prefer it.
>
>As for feedback, after many years of writing stuff in various QL
>magazines, and occasionally creating my own Assembly Language
>occasional eComic,in afraid that getting feedback is pretty much
>impossible most of the time.
>
>If not for George, keeping me correct all those years, I don't think
>I'd have had any feedback at all!
>
>Good luck.
>
>
>Cheers,
>Norm.
>
>On 13 March 2017 08:47:47 GMT+00:00, Marcel Kilgus
> wrote:
>>Urs Koenig (QL) wrote:
>>> Marcel wrote:
 Good job, thanks. It just seems to contain so much software that I
 can only briefly test a small part of it :-o
>>> Appreciate. Your feedback is the one and only since it was released
>>12 days
>>> ago. Plus my old Swiss friend Markus took up some of my work and
>>expanded
>>> it. This is another form of very constructive feedback.
>>
>>That is a sad state of affairs, I can imagine that quite some work
>>goes into these things. And I would have killed for something like
>>QL/E while QPC was still a commercial venture ;-) I guess the main
>>problem is that distributions are cool for new people to check out the
>>system and it's a very good base for starting your own system. But
>>most people hanging around here, me included, have tuned their boot
>>files for two decades, so to speak, and are not looking for anything
>>that is ready-to-run. I still think it's important to have it, though,
>>and would like to give it a more thorough go, but there are so many
>>projects currently going on, some even QL related, it's difficult to
>>find the time.
>>
>>Cheers, Marcel
>>
>>___
>>QL-Users Mailing List
>
>-- 
>Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>___
>QL-Users Mailing List

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
___
QL-Users Mailing List

Re: [Ql-Users] QL/E v3.16 (Codename "Snow white swan", Edition 1702) is out now!

[Norman Dunbar]

Afternoon Urs,

I'm in full agreement with Marcel, I have not yet looked at any of your QL/E 
offerings *in any depth* , not because of any lack of interest, but because I 
have my system running how I prefer it.

As for feedback, after many years of writing stuff in various QL magazines, and 
occasionally creating my own Assembly Language occasional eComic,in afraid that 
getting feedback is pretty much impossible most of the time.

If not for George, keeping me correct all those years, I don't think I'd have 
had any feedback at all!

Good luck.


Cheers,
Norm.

On 13 March 2017 08:47:47 GMT+00:00, Marcel Kilgus  
wrote:
>Urs Koenig (QL) wrote:
>> Marcel wrote:
>>> Good job, thanks. It just seems to contain so much software that I
>>> can only briefly test a small part of it :-o
>> Appreciate. Your feedback is the one and only since it was released
>12 days
>> ago. Plus my old Swiss friend Markus took up some of my work and
>expanded
>> it. This is another form of very constructive feedback.
>
>That is a sad state of affairs, I can imagine that quite some work
>goes into these things. And I would have killed for something like
>QL/E while QPC was still a commercial venture ;-) I guess the main
>problem is that distributions are cool for new people to check out the
>system and it's a very good base for starting your own system. But
>most people hanging around here, me included, have tuned their boot
>files for two decades, so to speak, and are not looking for anything
>that is ready-to-run. I still think it's important to have it, though,
>and would like to give it a more thorough go, but there are so many
>projects currently going on, some even QL related, it's difficult to
>find the time.
>
>Cheers, Marcel
>
>___
>QL-Users Mailing List

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
___
QL-Users Mailing List

Re: [Ql-Users] QL/E v3.16 (Codename "Snow white swan", Edition 1702) is out now!

[Bob Spelten]

Op Mon, 13 Mar 2017 09:47:47 +0100 schreef Marcel Kilgus  
:



Urs Koenig (QL) wrote:

Marcel wrote:

Good job, thanks. It just seems to contain so much software that I
can only briefly test a small part of it :-o
Appreciate. Your feedback is the one and only since it was released 12  
days
ago. Plus my old Swiss friend Markus took up some of my work and  
expanded

it. This is another form of very constructive feedback.


That is a sad state of affairs, I can imagine that quite some work
goes into these things. And I would have killed for something like
QL/E while QPC was still a commercial venture ;-) I guess the main
problem is that distributions are cool for new people to check out the
system and it's a very good base for starting your own system. But
most people hanging around here, me included, have tuned their boot
files for two decades, so to speak, and are not looking for anything
that is ready-to-run. I still think it's important to have it, though,
and would like to give it a more thorough go, but there are so many
projects currently going on, some even QL related, it's difficult to
find the time.


I agree with Marcel.
I will not change my main QPC2 win for QLE or Black Phoenix.
However they can be very useful for starting extra sessions of QPC or  
SMSQmulator to test my programming efforts for bugs on systems set up in a  
different way.
In scanning the files on there I have also discovered stuff I was not  
aware of.


QLE forever,
Bob

--
The BSJR QL software site at: "http://members.upc.nl/b.spelten/ql/;
___
QL-Users Mailing List

Re: [Ql-Users] QL/E v3.16 (Codename "Snow white swan", Edition 1702) is out now!

[Derek Stewart]

On 12/03/17 16:45, Urs Koenig (QL) wrote:

Marcel wrote:

Good job, thanks. It just seems to contain so much software that I can

only

briefly test a small part of it :-o

Appreciate. Your feedback is the one and only since it was released 12 days
ago. Plus my old Swiss friend Markus took up some of my work and expanded
it. This is another form of very constructive feedback.


___
QL-Users Mailing List


Hi Urs,

My apologies, for not commenting more on QLE, I did download the updates 
and add to my DISTRIBUTION files.


I must say you have done an excellent job in creating the QLE environment.

I also like you You Tube Video Channel, which I watch all the video that 
you issue, again excellent job.


--
Regards,

Derek
___
QL-Users Mailing List

Re: [Ql-Users] QL/E v3.16 (Codename "Snow white swan", Edition 1702) is out now!

[Marcel Kilgus]

Urs Koenig (QL) wrote:
> Marcel wrote:
>> Good job, thanks. It just seems to contain so much software that I
>> can only briefly test a small part of it :-o
> Appreciate. Your feedback is the one and only since it was released 12 days
> ago. Plus my old Swiss friend Markus took up some of my work and expanded
> it. This is another form of very constructive feedback.

That is a sad state of affairs, I can imagine that quite some work
goes into these things. And I would have killed for something like
QL/E while QPC was still a commercial venture ;-) I guess the main
problem is that distributions are cool for new people to check out the
system and it's a very good base for starting your own system. But
most people hanging around here, me included, have tuned their boot
files for two decades, so to speak, and are not looking for anything
that is ready-to-run. I still think it's important to have it, though,
and would like to give it a more thorough go, but there are so many
projects currently going on, some even QL related, it's difficult to
find the time.

Cheers, Marcel

___
QL-Users Mailing List

Re: [Ql-Users] QL/E v3.16 (Codename "Snow white swan", Edition 1702) is out now!

[Urs Koenig (QL)]

Marcel wrote:
> Good job, thanks. It just seems to contain so much software that I can
only
> briefly test a small part of it :-o
Appreciate. Your feedback is the one and only since it was released 12 days
ago. Plus my old Swiss friend Markus took up some of my work and expanded
it. This is another form of very constructive feedback.


___
QL-Users Mailing List

Re: [Ql-Users] QL/E v3.16 (Codename "Snow white swan", Edition 1702) is out now!

[Marcel Kilgus]

Urs Koenig (QL) wrote:
> More info and download here:
> http://sinclairql.net/repository.html#QLE

Good job, thanks. It just seems to contain so much software that I can
only briefly test a small part of it :-o

Marcel

___
QL-Users Mailing List

[Ql-Users] QL/E v3.16 (Codename "Snow white swan", Edition 1702) is out now!

[Urs Koenig (QL)]

More info and download here:

http://sinclairql.net/repository.html#QLE

 

QL forever!

 

Cheers, Urs

___
QL-Users Mailing List