Re: [Ql-Users] iPlayer
I can't believe the shoddy service you get from your ISPs over there/ Shameful! Oh, and Hi! Dave Park Hi Dave, welcome back (or back from lurking, as the case may be). I guess service on the whole (in the towns and cities at least) probably isn't as bad as my personal experience might imply. We are (1) a bit out in the sticks here, and (2) outside the Orange main area. So we get what's called a basic service. At least it almost never goes off completely, which is a blessing, just this problem with the variable speeds. I keep meaning to switch providers and never actually get round to it (read too many horror stories in Computeractive magazine about switching problems!), so that part of it is my fault. Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Hi Dilwyn and others, I just resubscribed. Due to sheer good luck, I was a passenger in a car accident a while ago and bumped my noggin. While I'm convalescing, I decided to do some QL programming, after leaving from the scene about five years ago. I think it'll help my short term memory - I'm a bit fuzzy. I decided a good programming challenge would have the old grey matter working right in no time! Right now I'm debating what to write, as I'd like to share it with the community when I'm done - yay for free software! Okay, so it'll only be a SuperBASIC program, but it's something and it's easy for others to play with. Details in a new thread I'll start when I've got a better handle on what I'd like to do (I'm still just trying to remember the finer points of SuperBASIC, and can't find my paper SB and TK2 manuals ANYWHERE!) but one of the ideas is a decent air traffic control sim. Dave On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 4:04 AM, Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk wrote: I can't believe the shoddy service you get from your ISPs over there/ Shameful! Oh, and Hi! Dave Park Hi Dave, welcome back (or back from lurking, as the case may be). I guess service on the whole (in the towns and cities at least) probably isn't as bad as my personal experience might imply. We are (1) a bit out in the sticks here, and (2) outside the Orange main area. So we get what's called a basic service. At least it almost never goes off completely, which is a blessing, just this problem with the variable speeds. I keep meaning to switch providers and never actually get round to it (read too many horror stories in Computeractive magazine about switching problems!), so that part of it is my fault. Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] iPlayer
On 19/01/2011 09:44, Billy wrote: On 18/01/2011 17:31, Dilwyn Jones wrote: I need to ask a question which is slightly off-topic here. Does anyone use BBC iPlayer on the same PC as the BBC iPlayer? snip snip Dilwyn Jones No problem with me Dilwyn running QPC and Iplayer together, but can't recall downloading anything (my memory tho ) I just have the site bookmarked and loads as a tab (start folder on Firefox) running on Vista, Btinternet and speed rarely above 2.5 Also should be noted the Iplayer defaults to HD so switching to a lower res will help. All the best - Bill ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm Hello all, It is a while since I explored BBCiplayer and set it up on my Vista home premium laptop, which hasn't a QL emulator. There are two ways to view. Direct from the BBC website, by clicking on a selection, or by downloading and installing iplayer desktop, which I have done. It shows in the program list and a link on the desktop. As well as direct viewing, this program also sets folders to store videos, for replay within a time limit, so one can download and view at leisure without breaks. It is quite a memory overhead, and also put itself in my startup list, so I had to delete that. I have fast Virgin broadband and it runs well. Bryan H ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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It is a while since I explored BBCiplayer and set it up on my Vista home premium laptop, which hasn't a QL emulator. There are two ways to view. Direct from the BBC website, by clicking on a selection, or by downloading and installing iplayer desktop, which I have done. It shows in the program list and a link on the desktop. As well as direct viewing, this program also sets folders to store videos, for replay within a time limit, so one can download and view at leisure without breaks. It is quite a memory overhead, and also put itself in my startup list, so I had to delete that. I have fast Virgin broadband and it runs well. Bryan H Thanks Bryan. I gave up on the iPlayer desktop in the end and viewed direct from the BBC website. Must have been how I ended up viewing in the past when I last used it. I think the main problem must have been the broadband speed issue as it wouldn't play tea time again today (when the speed check showed just 28kbs). Will wait to see if broadband speed goes up again later on and view it then. Failing that will try the technique someone suggested of pausing it to allow itself to get a bit of buffering ahead of the viewing point. Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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I can't believe the shoddy service you get from your ISPs over there/ Shameful! Oh, and Hi! Dave Park On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk wrote: It is a while since I explored BBCiplayer and set it up on my Vista home premium laptop, which hasn't a QL emulator. There are two ways to view. Direct from the BBC website, by clicking on a selection, or by downloading and installing iplayer desktop, which I have done. It shows in the program list and a link on the desktop. As well as direct viewing, this program also sets folders to store videos, for replay within a time limit, so one can download and view at leisure without breaks. It is quite a memory overhead, and also put itself in my startup list, so I had to delete that. I have fast Virgin broadband and it runs well. Bryan H Thanks Bryan. I gave up on the iPlayer desktop in the end and viewed direct from the BBC website. Must have been how I ended up viewing in the past when I last used it. I think the main problem must have been the broadband speed issue as it wouldn't play tea time again today (when the speed check showed just 28kbs). Will wait to see if broadband speed goes up again later on and view it then. Failing that will try the technique someone suggested of pausing it to allow itself to get a bit of buffering ahead of the viewing point. Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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I doubt QPC is having any effect. There's probably so much demand for that DRM-riddled proprietary media player that half the world are trying to download it simultaneously. I once thought about installing BBC iPlayer ... to recoup some of the cost of the criminally extortionate license tax ... but it never installed and never ran. That was on Windows Vista Home Premium, 32 bit. And ... yeah ... it did have QPC II installed :( -Original Message- From: ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com [mailto:ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com] On Behalf Of Dilwyn Jones Sent: 18 January 2011 17:32 To: ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com Subject: [Ql-Users] iPlayer I need to ask a question which is slightly off-topic here. Does anyone use BBC iPlayer on the same PC as the BBC iPlayer? I just can't get it to download or install on this while QPC is running, or even in the same session after I shut down QPC. Anyone know why? (the PC is Windows XP Pro with SP3, 1.4GHz processor, 1GB RAM)) We also tried it on the notebook with Windows 7 Starter. It's just gone into a please wait loop for the last half hour, I don't know how long iPlayer download should take? QPC had been in use on that too. And further, does anyone have experience of it on a slow broadband - in theory we pay for up to 8mbs from Orange. It's never better than 2mbs (in fact BT say that's the best we can hope for here, irrespective of what Orange say). Last time I had iPlayer working, it was very jerky, pausing every few seconds, totally unusable, so I removed it. Anyone with experience of it on 2mb/s able to say if it should work at that speed? The BBC website has a hell of a lot of how good and essential this is but no useful help whatsoever. This is driving me up the wall at the moment because I've got a visitor and we are trying together to see if we can get it to work. Although it's a bit off topic, I know I'll get a quicker and more sensible answer here. Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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--- On Tue, 18/1/11, Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk wrote: From: Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk Subject: [Ql-Users] iPlayer To: ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com Date: Tuesday, 18 January, 2011, 17:31 I need to ask a question which is slightly off-topic here. Does anyone use BBC iPlayer on the same PC as the BBC iPlayer? I just can't get it to download or install on this while QPC is running, or even in the same session after I shut down QPC. Anyone know why? (the PC is Windows XP Pro with SP3, 1.4GHz processor, 1GB RAM)) We also tried it on the notebook with Windows 7 Starter. It's just gone into a please wait loop for the last half hour, I don't know how long iPlayer download should take? QPC had been in use on that too. And further, does anyone have experience of it on a slow broadband - in theory we pay for up to 8mbs from Orange. It's never better than 2mbs (in fact BT say that's the best we can hope for here, irrespective of what Orange say). Last time I had iPlayer working, it was very jerky, pausing every few seconds, totally unusable, so I removed it. Anyone with experience of it on 2mb/s able to say if it should work at that speed? The BBC website has a hell of a lot of how good and essential this is but no useful help whatsoever. This is driving me up the wall at the moment because I've got a visitor and we are trying together to see if we can get it to work. Although it's a bit off topic, I know I'll get a quicker and more sensible answer here. Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm My old broadband was always stuck on 2mbs and iplayer worked fine. Thankfully I have just had fibre installed. What is the minimum machine spec for iplayer? Peter. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm My old broadband was always stuck on 2mbs and iplayer worked fine. Thankfully I have just had fibre installed. What is the minimum machine spec for iplayer? Peter. Not sure, I couldn't find any useful info quickly in the BBC website. I just realised though what the problem might be. I forgot that at this time of day Orange broadband goes down to about dialup speed or a bit less (probably half the village on social networking sites after school and work!) I see the BBC site has options to download as .wmv files for media player, I might give that a spin later on when broadband (narrowband?) speed gets beyond dialup speed :-(( Windoze and I have never been the best of friends. Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Dilwyn Jones wrote, on 18/Jan/11 17:31 | Jan18: I need to ask a question which is slightly off-topic here. Does anyone use BBC iPlayer on the same PC as the BBC iPlayer? Urmm - what did you actually mean by that sentence. I suspect you are talking about the Iplayer desktop used for playing downloaded programs. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 t...@firshman.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Dilwyn Jones wrote, on 18/Jan/11 17:31 | Jan18: I need to ask a question which is slightly off-topic here. Does anyone use BBC iPlayer on the same PC as the BBC iPlayer? Urmm - what did you actually mean by that sentence. Does anyone use it on t he same PC as QPC2 is what I meant. I suspect you are talking about the Iplayer desktop used for playing downloaded programs. Tony Sure. So it's not a program then - it's a Windows Desktop or something like that, is that what you're saying? I later found out there's no specific place to download it. It doesn't tell you as far as I can see that the installation method is to download a program, then it will find there's no iPlayer, try to download that, find there's no Adobe Air, so try to download that and so on. If correct (which I doubt) it implies that the last thing it downloads is the one thing it can't work without - so it downloads a gigabyte of TV programme, then the iplayer, then Adobe Air only to tell me when it gets to 99% download failed. That's the usual story with this type of thing and it drives me absolutely insane. Here we are in 2011 and this sorts of thing happens regular as clockwork. We've been on a forum looking for info (not the bbc one, that just came up with a blank screen) where we saw loads of people moaning about it, so for once it seems I can't blame either Windoze or my PC or my broadband. In fact, one person says it eats bandwidth so much it's a guaranteed way to get your ISP to throttle your broadband speed. Plenty of people say if you don't live in a high speed fibre optic link area, don't bother. Others seem to get it working instantly and praise it to the hilt. Unless there's a quick fix to the problems with this iPlayer I don't intend to waste any more time on it. Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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--- On Tue, 18/1/11, Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk wrote: From: Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] iPlayer To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Date: Tuesday, 18 January, 2011, 19:05 Dilwyn Jones wrote, on 18/Jan/11 17:31 | Jan18: I need to ask a question which is slightly off-topic here. Does anyone use BBC iPlayer on the same PC as the BBC iPlayer? Urmm - what did you actually mean by that sentence. Does anyone use it on t he same PC as QPC2 is what I meant. I suspect you are talking about the Iplayer desktop used for playing downloaded programs. Tony Sure. So it's not a program then - it's a Windows Desktop or something like that, is that what you're saying? snip In fact, one person says it eats bandwidth so much it's a guaranteed way to get your ISP to throttle your broadband speed. Plenty of people say if you don't live in a high speed fibre optic link area, don't bother. Others seem to get it working instantly and praise it to the hilt. Unless there's a quick fix to the problems with this iPlayer I don't intend to waste any more time on it. Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm It sounds like you are chomping at the bit to see Sir Clive's performance on Mastermind ;) Pete. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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I suspect you are talking about the Iplayer desktop used for playing downloaded programs. Tony Sure. So it's not a program then - it's a Windows Desktop or something like that, is that what you're saying? Ah, just found some notes on it (so long since I last tried and failed to get it working). Looks like it's not a program or app in the conventional sense (by conventional, I mean that it's not a program which appears in your START menu for example), you basically view TV programs through your browser pages, like watching a Youtube video. Although there is some way of persuading it to download a TV programme in its entirety to play through Windows Media Player (yawn!) for those who can't get it to work. This should be interesting seeing what the combination of Dilwyn, PC, Windows, iPlayer, Orange broadband and TV programme bandwidth can achieve in Bethesda!!! Boradband has gone back up from 38kb/s to 1.8mb/s now so time for another go (just for a laugh to see if my day can get any worse!) Saga to be continued :-) Dilwyn ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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It sounds like you are chomping at the bit to see Sir Clive's performance on Mastermind ;) Pete. Errr, no, we videod that on the Sky Plus. We forgot to record Silent Witness last night, plus our friend wants to see what iPlayer is like as he's even less Windows literate than me :o) I think he might well get put off it at this rate . Dilwyn ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Dilwyn Jones wrote, on 18/Jan/11 19:05 | Jan18: Dilwyn Jones wrote, on 18/Jan/11 17:31 | Jan18: I need to ask a question which is slightly off-topic here. Does anyone use BBC iPlayer on the same PC as the BBC iPlayer? Urmm - what did you actually mean by that sentence. Does anyone use it on t he same PC as QPC2 is what I meant. I suspect you are talking about the Iplayer desktop used for playing downloaded programs. Tony Sure. So it's not a program then - it's a Windows Desktop or something like that, is that what you're saying? I later found out there's no specific place to download it. It doesn't tell you as far as I can see that the installation method is to download a program, then it will find there's no iPlayer, try to download that, find there's no Adobe Air, so try to download that and so on. If correct (which I doubt) it implies that the last thing it downloads is the one thing it can't work without - so it downloads a gigabyte of TV programme, then the iplayer, then Adobe Air only to tell me when it gets to 99% download failed. That's the usual story with this type of thing and it drives me absolutely insane. Here we are in 2011 and this sorts of thing happens regular as clockwork. We've been on a forum looking for info (not the bbc one, that just came up with a blank screen) where we saw loads of people moaning about it, so for once it seems I can't blame either Windoze or my PC or my broadband. In fact, one person says it eats bandwidth so much it's a guaranteed way to get your ISP to throttle your broadband speed. Plenty of people say if you don't live in a high speed fibre optic link area, don't bother. Others seem to get it working instantly and praise it to the hilt. Unless there's a quick fix to the problems with this iPlayer I don't intend to waste any more time on it. The program is called BBC Iplayer Desktop.app on my Macbook. It downloaded and installed when I first downloaded a program. I googled and it seems Adobe Air (which you mention) is a runtime that allows applications (like BBC Iplayer Desktop) to simulate browsers. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 t...@firshman.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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There is a webpage with known issues that may help, it mentions about using it with other web-browsers so that may be worth exploring also. I dont use it myself as it never worked properly for me when I first tried it quite awhile ago. http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/help/using_bbc_iplayer/desktop_problems Lee Privett OK, as it's a bit off topic best to close this thread I guess. It really does seem to be something which fails for a large number of people from what I've seen on forums. If you can get it working, it seems fine, though, just that getting it working ain't exactly easy. Might be coincidence what I mentioned about QPC2 - certainly after I restarted the Notebook (i.e. no QPC2 in current session) it suddenly worked, but that coincided with the improvement in broadband speed. Thanks everyone for trying to help! Dilwyn Jones. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
