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On 13 Jul 2003, at 18:03, Dilwyn Jones wrote: On Expect a wayward American missile to fly low over you soon... (just pray it has a QL controlling it not a PC!) No, no, let it have a PC by all means -it'll probably go down somewhere in the ocean (a blue screen of death...) Wolfgang Didn't you know, that's why the Americans call them missiles. Or Miss-iles (they miss their targets) OK, that's reassuring for you (they'll miss the isles) - but I'lm on the continent Wolfgang - www.wlenerz.com
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O * A little bit of politics included to upset Tony. Work out for yourself whether I mean Blair or Firshman. Blair reads this list? Wolfgang
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Yes ! QL is a massive destruction weapons : only enthusiats survive :-) -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoye : vendredi 11 juillet 2003 10:35 A : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : Re: [ql-users] Quanta Workshop in Norwich O * A little bit of politics included to upset Tony. Work out for yourself whether I mean Blair or Firshman. Blair reads this list? Wolfgang
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Yes ! QL is a massive destruction weapons : only enthusiats survive :-) O * A little bit of politics included to upset Tony. Work out for yourself whether I mean Blair or Firshman. Blair reads this list? Wolfgang I'm sure that MI5 etc would consider QLers a valid target subversive organisation having all but given up on drug dealers, smugglers, terrorists, illegal immigrants etc. Given that the name 'Blair' has appeared on this list, I'm sure their automated keyword searchers have by now detected Wolfgang and others as 'foreign subversives' by now. Expect a wayward American missile to fly low over you soon... (just pray it has a QL controlling it not a PC!) -- Dilwyn Jones
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I think Tony's statement below hits the nail on the head. I have to agree - I had a ball at the last Irish Show - and so far everyone who was there is coming again!! all 6 or so of them :-)) It doesn't really matter anymore about profitability - the shows aren't, no matter how hard you try - QL2000 was the one recent exception, but we are three years on from that now. I think its very important we have one more big show though to mark the QL's 20th anniversary But I'd say thats it. Can we contact all the old QLers? Ron Dunnett? Freddy Vaccha? Simon Goodwin?? etc? QUANTA should fund it - Can anyone from QUANTA make a comment on this? Are there any of the QUANTA guys still on this list?? Tony is right Tarquin - just organise it. Get a hall. Get some Tea and Coffee. Thats about the size of it. Darren Branagh, Bank of Ireland - Cards And Loans Business, Nassau House, 33/35 Nassau Street, Dublin 2. Ireland. Tel: 1850-530-530 Fax: 01-6706813. Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] o.ukcc: Sent by: Subject: Re: [ql-users] Quanta Workshop in Norwich [EMAIL PROTECTED] g.uk 09/07/2003 19:43 Please respond to ql-users On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 at 14:56:05, gwicks wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) I think we have to separate two things here. One is your capability of holding an event. This is not really a QL thing, but what experience you have of holding events in general. Think of possible experiences in, say, the political sphere. The other thing is if there are a sufficient number of QL users in your catchment area to make a QL show worthwhile. Good God. In my book politics is really not an issue. Don't put off the man. If there is now other show near, then it is just a matter of getting a hall, telling people (including traders) and asking Quanta to pay for the hall. Food and drink is a bonus. You cannot have fewer than the last Irish show (8-)# .. and that was one of the best recent events I have attended. -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and delete this E-mail from your system. Thank you. It is possible for data transmitted by email to be deliberately or accidentally corrupted or intercepted. For this reason, where the communication is by email, the Bank of Ireland Group does not accept any responsibility for any breach of confidence which may arise through the use of this medium. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of known computer viruses.
Re: [ql-users] Quanta Workshop in Norwich
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Quanta Workshop in Norwich QUANTA should fund it - Can anyone from QUANTA make a comment on this? Are there any of the QUANTA guys still on this list?? I am also beginning to ask this. I have been making increasingly critical comments about QUANTA on this list and getting no response. Do they still exist? There are more elusive than so called *weapons of mass destruction. Geoff Wicks * A little bit of politics included to upset Tony. Work out for yourself whether I mean Blair or Firshman.
[ql-users] Quanta Workshop in Norwich Irish show I think
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I think Tony's statement below hits the nail on the head. I have to agree - I had a ball at the last Irish Show - and so far everyone who was there is coming again!! all 6 or so of them :-)) SNIP By the way Darren have you fixed up a date ? I am happy to go for the 25th and I would like to get it booked. -- Roy Wood Q Branch. 20 Locks Hill, Portslade, Sussex. Tel: +44 (0) 1273 386030fax: +44 (0) 1273 430501 web : www.qbranch.demon.co.uk
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- Original Message - From: gwicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Quanta Workshop in Norwich - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Quanta Workshop in Norwich QUANTA should fund it - Can anyone from QUANTA make a comment on this? Are there any of the QUANTA guys still on this list?? I am also beginning to ask this. I have been making increasingly critical comments about QUANTA on this list and getting no response. Do they still exist? There are more elusive than so called *weapons of mass destruction. Geoff Wicks * A little bit of politics included to upset Tony. Work out for yourself whether I mean Blair or Firshman. Yes lets keep politics out of it Anyway whats wrong with Lord Lucan - or has he been found, no don't tell me, he's working down the chip shop with Elvis All the best - Bill
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- Original Message - From: gwicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Quanta Workshop in Norwich - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Quanta Workshop in Norwich QUANTA should fund it - Can anyone from QUANTA make a comment on this? Are there any of the QUANTA guys still on this list?? I am also beginning to ask this. I have been making increasingly critical comments about QUANTA on this list and getting no response. Do they still exist? There are more elusive than so called *weapons of mass destruction. So what happened to Lord Lucan
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Hello Darren All, Having laid out the latest Quanta, I can tell you that there is planned a two day event :- AGM WORKSHOP In QUANTAS 21ST YEAR Saturday, 17th April 2004. From 1.00pm and Sunday, 18thApril 2004. From 9.30am to 3.00pm Times at this stage are approximate. Venue: 3rd Davyhulme Scout Headquarters Off Lostock Road, Davyhulme, Manchester There will be a celebratory 21st dinner on Saturday night. Thursday, July 10, 2003, 9:49:32 AM, you wrote: DBbc I think Tony's statement below hits the nail on the head. I have to agree - DBbc I had a ball at the last Irish Show - and so far everyone who was there DBbc is coming again!! all 6 or so of them :-)) It doesn't really matter DBbc anymore about profitability - the shows aren't, no matter how hard you try DBbc - QL2000 was the one recent exception, but we are three years on from that DBbc now. I think its very important we have one more big show though to mark DBbc the QL's 20th anniversary But I'd say thats it. Can we contact all the DBbc old QLers? Ron Dunnett? Freddy Vaccha? Simon Goodwin?? etc? DBbc QUANTA should fund it - Can anyone from QUANTA make a comment on this? Are DBbc there any of the QUANTA guys still on this list?? DBbc Tony is right Tarquin - just organise it. Get a hall. Get some Tea and DBbc Coffee. Thats about the size of it. DBbc Darren Branagh, DBbc Bank of Ireland - Cards And Loans Business, DBbc Nassau House, 33/35 Nassau Street, Dublin 2. Ireland. DBbc Tel: 1850-530-530 Fax: 01-6706813. DBbc Tony Firshman DBbc [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DBbc o.uk
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Geoff Wicks wrote: Tarquin Mills wrote: Tarquin Mills wrote: Suggested dates are March 6,7,13,14,20,21,27,28, please pick one. Possible times are 10pm to 5pm. Would people prefer a different month? [snip] I know at one time Manchester were thinking of holding a workshop once every two years so that they could host the AGM. The idea being that it could be north and south alternate years. I do not know if they still plan a workshop in 2004. An added complication is that QUANTA usually insists that a well established workshop hosts their AGM. [snip] I still think it important that we have a Norwich show. You have a started a user group in the area, which is quite an achievement these days and this deserves recognition from the rest of the QL community. To say I have created a group is sadly an over statement, in the main it is just myself and Arnold Clarke who meet twice a month. I would love to get more members, in fact I would like to do something to help the QL in general after having wasted all this year so far doing politics. Given the size of our group I see two options 1. Move the Cambridge-show/radio-rally (which was February this year) to Norwich to serve East Anglia. Have it as a low key affair, apologises if I am treading on peoples toes. 2. Hold the Quanta AGM (or some other event) that will draw people in, to Norwich. We do not have experience of holding events, my mother (who will help) needs convincing we can, she also wants to know what entering a bid entails. -- Tarquin Mills RUNG (RISC OS Users, Norfolk Group)
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Well guys, which is it? The bank Hol will be busy here - there is always an invasion from the UK then. The following weekend the kids are back to school... weekend of the 23rd or the 30th?? I vote for the 30th :-) John -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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- Original Message - From: Tarquin Mills [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Quanta Workshop in Norwich Tarquin Mills Suggested dates are March 6,7,13,14,20,21,27,28, please pick one. Possible times are 10pm to 5pm. [snip] Would people prefer a different month? -- Sorry to have caused you so much trouble about the date, but its better to get this problem sorted out early rather than wait for a panic at the end of the year. It's good that everyone is trying to plan in advance and be flexible. Unfortunately it's almost impossible to give advice as the silence from QUANTA has been deafening. The QUANTA AGM has to be held before the end of April and this is the winter/spring workshop that is usually the best attended. The date and place of the QUANTA AGM has repurcussions for both Norwich and Hove. I know at one time Manchester were thinking of holding a workshop once every two years so that they could host the AGM. The idea being that it could be north and south alternate years. I do not know if they still plan a workshop in 2004. An added complication is that QUANTA usually insists that a well established workshop hosts their AGM. If you try a date before the QUANTA AGM we still have the problem of too many shows clashing, but if you try after the AGM summer approaches and there are often workshops in America and on the continent that are a priority for traders. I still think it important that we have a Norwich show. You have a started a user group in the area, which is quite an achievement these days and this deserves recognition from the rest of the QL community. Best Wishes, Geoff Wicks.
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Dilwyn Wrote:- Was that the one where Hilary o'Kelly spilled coffee on his sausages? And I heard him swear for the first time EVER? Nah, that was another time, on the way to Hove one year. You couldn't get the day before off work I think, or something like that, which meant us getting up at 4am to drive to Hove from N.Wales, and poor 'ol Hilary couldn't handle that at all - he usually is GOING to bed then, and getting up about lunchtime!! We bought 3 Jumbo Breakfasts at a Welcome Break at about 8am, and Hilary Tripped with the tray and his coffee went all over his sausages - his scrambled egg soaked most of it up though, we where telling coffee flavoured sausage jokes all the way to Hove :-)) And having been to Darren's shows and the lovely area he holds them in, this is to be reccomended. Try to avoid first half of August Darren, I'm hoping to be away on holiday then, assuming the garage have solved their staffing crisis by then which currently means only managers are allowed to take holidays (just how do I pick these jobs I get involved in???) Well its looking like the end of August, some like the idea of it being on the Bank Holiday, some don't - it depends on availability of the hotels/BB's, etc. and I've a feeling the Bank Hol will be well booked up. He he, Darren is doing Launchpad demos this year (only he doesn't know it yet, he already has an alpha test copy to learn, assuming he doesn't break it or lets his son loose on it!) Loaded it ontot the laptop last night, so plan to play with it this weekend. The Icons etc. Dilwyn has designed are fantastic - it has a really professional look to it, and (dare I say it) a Windows-like feel. Will have to see can I break it... :-)) Cheers, Darren. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and delete this E-mail from your system. Thank you. It is possible for data transmitted by email to be deliberately or accidentally corrupted or intercepted. For this reason, where the communication is by email, the Bank of Ireland Group does not accept any responsibility for any breach of confidence which may arise through the use of this medium. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of known computer viruses.
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Dilwyn wrote:- I'd like to suggest that as 2003/4 is the 20th anniversary of the QL, a big publicity splash be given for one show to celebrate this, in much the same way as we had QL2000 or whatever that one in the Horizon Centre was called. A one off special, well advertised so that international visitors can have the chance to attend as well, in other words, at a venue reasonably close to either sea or air ports. I agree totally. I think it would be bad form if we didn't acknowledge the passing of the 20th anniversary of the QL in some way. Darren. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and delete this E-mail from your system. Thank you. It is possible for data transmitted by email to be deliberately or accidentally corrupted or intercepted. For this reason, where the communication is by email, the Bank of Ireland Group does not accept any responsibility for any breach of confidence which may arise through the use of this medium. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of known computer viruses.
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Roy wrote:- I'd like to suggest that as 2003/4 is the 20th anniversary of the QL, a big publicity splash be given for one show to celebrate this, in much the same way as we had QL2000 or whatever that one in the Horizon Centre was called. A one off special, well advertised so that international visitors can have the chance to attend as well, in other words, at a venue reasonably close to either sea or air ports. I could suggest we do it at Hove. The venue is not as big as then Horizon Centre but it might do if we use the extra room that the committee were in. Thats a great Idea - Doesn't have to be a big flashy venue, but I think it would be great to get a really good turnout and maybe see a few faces there we haven't seen in a while and meet up again, Guys like Ron Dunnett, Freddy Vaccha, and even Norman Dunbar etc. if they could make it - Make it like a 20th anniversary reunion So, can we start getting some confirmations of who can make it there?? Be nice to make it a really big event.. Cheers, Darren. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and delete this E-mail from your system. Thank you. It is possible for data transmitted by email to be deliberately or accidentally corrupted or intercepted. For this reason, where the communication is by email, the Bank of Ireland Group does not accept any responsibility for any breach of confidence which may arise through the use of this medium. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of known computer viruses.
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On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 at 00:02:10, Roy wood wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) By the way Darren I would prefer the Bank Holiday weekend like last time because I could take an extra day. This may appeal to others too. This would mean a 'show' on the 23rd. Bank holiday usually though means no cheap fares (8-(# If Sturat came we would go by train. -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
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Well guys, which is it? The bank Hol will be busy here - there is always an invasion from the UK then. The following weekend the kids are back to school... weekend of the 23rd or the 30th?? Cheers, Darren Branagh, Bank of Ireland - Cards And Loans Business, Nassau House, 33/35 Nassau Street, Dublin 2. Ireland. Tel: 1850-530-530 Fax: 01-6706813. Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] o.ukcc: Sent by: Subject: Re: [ql-users] Quanta Workshop in Norwich [EMAIL PROTECTED] g.uk 04/07/2003 09:51 Please respond to ql-users On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 at 00:02:10, Roy wood wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) By the way Darren I would prefer the Bank Holiday weekend like last time because I could take an extra day. This may appeal to others too. This would mean a 'show' on the 23rd. Bank holiday usually though means no cheap fares (8-(# If Sturat came we would go by train. -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and delete this E-mail from your system. Thank you. It is possible for data transmitted by email to be deliberately or accidentally corrupted or intercepted. For this reason, where the communication is by email, the Bank of Ireland Group does not accept any responsibility for any breach of confidence which may arise through the use of this medium. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of known computer viruses.
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Tarquin Mills Suggested dates are March 6,7,13,14,20,21,27,28, please pick one. Possible times are 10pm to 5pm. [snip] Please don't be put off by what I am now going to write. The show agenda for early next year is beginning to look crowded. London and Norwich are now being planned and we can also expect Hove and a QUANTA AGM all before end April/early May. (Although given that QUANTA now no longer has respect for its own constitution, it must be seen as being an unreliable, loose cannon.) Practically I think it unlikely that I would be able to attend all these workshops and I think this will probably true of most traders, particularly those who have long distances or overnight stays to get to shows. Would people prefer a different month? -- Tarquin Mills RUNG (RISC OS Users, Norfolk Group)
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In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Well guys, which is it? The bank Hol will be busy here - there is always an invasion from the UK then. The following weekend the kids are back to school... weekend of the 23rd or the 30th?? For my vote I would prefer the 23rd because, although the fares would not be so cheap, I would get an extra day. But I leave it to you. -- Roy Wood Q Branch. 20 Locks Hill, Portslade, Sussex. Tel: +44 (0) 1273 386030fax: +44 (0) 1273 430501 web : www.qbranch.demon.co.uk
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Geoff Wicks wrote:- Thanks for the reply and to all the others who replied. Sorry to hear that attendance is also a problem in North America, but the point I was trying to make was that from the reports in QL Today it appears that North America still has shows old style with talks, demonstrations and a good social occasion. You can be sure that people would not come from Europe each year if they did not enjoy the shows. Mind you, Al can be a pretty persuasive person. Thats very true - Steve Reyal and I showed the entire QL 2000 DVD at the Washington show, and the Room was packed. Plus Herb Schaff did his Graphics Demo, which was very good indeed. Jim Hunkins talked at length on QDT, and Nasta gave a great talk too - Stuff you don't see in the UK anymore. We even had a separate room for the talks laid out conference style with a SVGA projector and ample seating. We seem to have a specific problem in the UK that next year lots of people seem interested in organising shows, and that's welcome, but it is too many for those of us who have to travel long distances. Another question is what we do at shows now that numbers are smaller. I don't know the answer to this, which is one of the reasons I started the discussion. Maybe we have to think of putting more emphasis on social events and less on the QL for at least some of the shows (e.g. QUANTA AGM). A QL2000 type event, on a slightly less lavish scale, should be possible once a year, but then we have to think how we give form to more local workshops. Malcolm Cadman made a good point a few weeks ago when he said that organising a shows helps to build up enthusiasm in a local group. I definitely think a QL2000 type event is viable again - even one of them. I feel it would get those qlers that only venture out once in a while to make it to the show. But yes, I agree with Geoff - the QL scene is becoming one of friendship rather that shows and trading, but thats the way its been for a few years now. So maybe more emphasis on social events is a good idea - I know the last Irish show was a big success in that department despite the low attendance. Darren. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and delete this E-mail from your system. Thank you. It is possible for data transmitted by email to be deliberately or accidentally corrupted or intercepted. For this reason, where the communication is by email, the Bank of Ireland Group does not accept any responsibility for any breach of confidence which may arise through the use of this medium. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of known computer viruses.
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So, when does the QL3000 take place ? -:) -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoye : jeudi 3 juillet 2003 11:20 A : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : Re: [ql-users] Quanta Workshop in Norwich I definitely think a QL2000 type event is viable again - even one of them. I feel it would get those qlers that only venture out once in a while to make it to the show. But yes, I agree with Geoff - the QL scene is becoming one of friendship rather that shows and trading, but thats the way its been for a few years now. So maybe more emphasis on social events is a good idea - I know the last Irish show was a big success in that department despite the low attendance. Darren.
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Well, can't have been that bad then if someone is up for it again :-)) I'll send and post the details in Quanta and this list when I confirm hotel availability etc.. The HSS is a nice way to travel john, only 99 Minutes from Holyhead to Dun Laoghaire, and its cheap as a foot passenger. oops, sorry, posted the other reply before seeing this one. -- Dilwyn Jones
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John Hall wrote: Count me in! (I think this time I'll try one of the Holyhead crossings rather than Fishguard to Rosslare.) Re. dates, I can manage any weekend in August but would prefer it if we avoided the bank holiday weekend (23rd - 25th). John -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] John and anyone else considering doing this, I live en route to Holyhead (just between Junction 11 and 12 of A55), so contact me first if you like. HSS ferries take about 90 minutes crossing, conventional ferries about 3 hours. Quite cheap for foot passengers, though as end of August is a busy one for them, the usual discount fares might not be available from Stena or Irish ferries. Sadly, looks like the other service from Mostyn in N.Wales has bitten the dust. -- Dilwyn Jones
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and advice on my stand as does Tony Firshman. The thing is that the numbers attending make demonstrations at the table easier. I would, however, say that the whole thing needs a bit of stimulation somehow and quite where that could come from is open to discussion. -- Roy Wood Q Branch. 20 Locks Hill, Portslade, Sussex. Tel: +44 (0) 1273 386030fax: +44 (0) 1273 430501 web : www.qbranch.demon.co.uk I'd like to suggest that as 2003/4 is the 20th anniversary of the QL, a big publicity splash be given for one show to celebrate this, in much the same way as we had QL2000 or whatever that one in the Horizon Centre was called. A one off special, well advertised so that international visitors can have the chance to attend as well, in other words, at a venue reasonably close to either sea or air ports. -- Dilwyn Jones
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I agree too. I unlike most of the other traders have a particularly difficult time gettting to shows, all of them involve an often expensive plane or ferry ticket and an overnight stay, a bit like Jochen. Not to mention the crazy prices in those Welcome Break services thingys you have over there - why do you put up with those prices? I remember paying over 50 quid for 4 cod n'chips once - Madness. Was that the one where Hilary o'Kelly spilled coffee on his sausages? And I heard him swear for the first time EVER? Which reminds me - I plan on having another Irish Piss-up (its never really a show, as we spend more time at the pub that the show venue) at the end of August. I will annouce dates soon, but can anybody attend this one? It was really a traders only event last year except for John Hall and Hilary O'Kelly (thanks guys!) but we (the traders) really enjoyed it because it gave us all the chance to chat and have a laugh again, as we so rarely do these days. Great food, usually great weather, good accommodation, and some great craic - what more do you want? And having been to Darren's shows and the lovely area he holds them in, this is to be reccomended. Try to avoid first half of August Darren, I'm hoping to be away on holiday then, assuming the garage have solved their staffing crisis by then which currently means only managers are allowed to take holidays (just how do I pick these jobs I get involved in???) Well, I haven't done a demo to a crowd in years. But I still demo software to individuals or two people at the stand, at least the smaller numbers allow a more personal one on one approach to customers. Maybe we show try to have a few more talks again, even if its on older software - or maybe a QA session with all the traders and know-it-alls in attendance is a good idea? He he, Darren is doing Launchpad demos this year (only he doesn't know it yet, he already has an alpha test copy to learn, assuming he doesn't break it or lets his son loose on it!) -- Dilwyn Jones
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Time for a plug for Darren's Irish QL social event at the end of August. Just a weekend of chat, food and the odd alcoholic libation. Over to you Darren. -- Roy Wood Thought you didn't drink, Roy? Or is it just wine? -- Dilwyn Jones
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In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Thought you didn't drink, Roy? Or is it just wine? I think that wine can be classed as drinking. I have actually cut down on the alcoholic intake and stopped drinking during the week. I found I could easily drink a bottle of wine a night with no ill effects (at the moment of drinking that is). I decided that was not healthy. -- Roy Wood Q Branch. 20 Locks Hill, Portslade, Sussex. Tel: +44 (0) 1273 386030fax: +44 (0) 1273 430501 web : www.qbranch.demon.co.uk
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By the way Darren I would prefer the Bank Holiday weekend like last time because I could take an extra day. This may appeal to others too. This would mean a 'show' on the 23rd. -- Roy Wood Q Branch. 20 Locks Hill, Portslade, Sussex. Tel: +44 (0) 1273 386030fax: +44 (0) 1273 430501 web : www.qbranch.demon.co.uk
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I'd like to suggest that as 2003/4 is the 20th anniversary of the QL, a big publicity splash be given for one show to celebrate this, in much the same way as we had QL2000 or whatever that one in the Horizon Centre was called. A one off special, well advertised so that international visitors can have the chance to attend as well, in other words, at a venue reasonably close to either sea or air ports. I could suggest we do it at Hove. The venue is not as big as then Horizon Centre but it might do if we use the extra room that the committee were in. -- Roy Wood Q Branch. 20 Locks Hill, Portslade, Sussex. Tel: +44 (0) 1273 386030fax: +44 (0) 1273 430501 web : www.qbranch.demon.co.uk
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Geoff Wicks wrote:- Sorry I can't give any firm suggestions about dates or give a firm promise to be there at this notice. Having said that I would want to give a Norwich show a high priority because of what I have earlier said on this list about the need to break the stranglehold the South East has on shows. I would probably choose Norwich over one of the more established workshops. I would agree, I sometimes get letters from QLers in the north of England asking for a set show a year up there somewhere - I think it should be a priority to get a show up there once a year. I think Tarquin has the energy and committment to get it going, which is why I'll try hard to be there - despite the lack of funds these days with junior... :-)) Please don't be put off by what I am now going to write. The show agenda for early next year is beginning to look crowded. London and Norwich are now being planned and we can also expect Hove and a QUANTA AGM all before end April/early May. (Although given that QUANTA now no longer has respect for its own constitution, it must be seen as being an unreliable, loose cannon.) Practically I think it unlikely that I would be able to attend all these workshops and I think this will probably true of most traders, particularly those who have long distances or overnight stays to get to shows. I agree too. I unlike most of the other traders have a particularly difficult time gettting to shows, all of them involve an often expensive plane or ferry ticket and an overnight stay, a bit like Jochen. Not to mention the crazy prices in those Welcome Break services thingys you have over there - why do you put up with those prices? I remember paying over 50 quid for 4 cod n'chips once - Madness. But, however, the point is I still do it. I enjoy it, and I have many very good, trusted, and close friends in the QL community - all of the traders for starters. I'll try to get too as many shows as I can, by that is getting harder now I have a son and work committments on the increase. Which reminds me - I plan on having another Irish Piss-up (its never really a show, as we spend more time at the pub that the show venue) at the end of August. I will annouce dates soon, but can anybody attend this one? It was really a traders only event last year except for John Hall and Hilary O'Kelly (thanks guys!) but we (the traders) really enjoyed it because it gave us all the chance to chat and have a laugh again, as we so rarely do these days. Great food, usually great weather, good accommodation, and some great craic - what more do you want? We really need to start thinking about what the frequency and purpose of workshops should now be. The attendance at the last shows has been fairly low and frankly they are beginning to offer very little to the average QL user. Their main purpose now seems to be meeting old friends and updating software from the traders. There are now no talks, no demonstrations, few people bringing their own QLs, hardly anyone giving advice or asking advice. This may be OK for the in-crowd, but not much use for people on the periphery of the QL community. Well, I haven't done a demo to a crowd in years. But I still demo software to individuals or two people at the stand, at least the smaller numbers allow a more personal one on one approach to customers. Maybe we show try to have a few more talks again, even if its on older software - or maybe a QA session with all the traders and know-it-alls in attendance is a good idea? The one place that still seems to have the golden touch is North America. What can we learn from them? Well, having been at the two shows in Montreal and Washington, I would beg to differ. There is still a lot of interest in the QL there, but a lot of the QLers are finding it hard to get to shows, even the 1 per year. The USA is a big place. At both the shows I attended, there was maybe a dozen people (tops) there outside of the organisers and traders. I really missed the chance to meet Phoebus this year (we've had some great phone conversations in the past) but I couldn't afford it this year, only 6 weeks after becoming a dad. I didn't make enough to cover the cost of the accommodation let alone the plane tickets on both visits to the USA, but I went to meet people and holiday too, visiting Niagra Falls and Washington DC. Again, the guys out there are a great bunch of people and I dearly hope to make it next year with my family. What really gets to me though is that Quanta haven't taken the opportunity to do another big QL2000 style event next year - the year that the QL is 20 years old. It should have taken place on the launch day itself, 20 years to the day. I remember the QL2000 event with great pride, it was a huge success (and I made a profit!!), and that was because it was hyped up for months beforehand. I would love to see a huge event next year (maybe the AGM?) where we get the horizon centre or a similar venue again for a 2 day event and cram
Re: [ql-users] Quanta Workshop in Norwich
Well, can't have been that bad then if someone is up for it again :-)) I'll send and post the details in Quanta and this list when I confirm hotel availability etc.. The HSS is a nice way to travel john, only 99 Minutes from Holyhead to Dun Laoghaire, and its cheap as a foot passenger. Cheers, Darren Branagh, Bank of Ireland - Cards And Loans Business, Nassau House, 33/35 Nassau Street, Dublin 2. Ireland. Tel: 1850-530-530 Fax: 01-6706813. John Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: QL Users [EMAIL PROTECTED] t cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: [ql-users] Quanta Workshop in Norwich [EMAIL PROTECTED] g.uk 02/07/2003 11:38 Please respond to ql-users Which reminds me - I plan on having another Irish Piss-up (its never really a show, as we spend more time at the pub that the show venue) at the end of August. I will annouce dates soon, but can anybody attend this one? It was really a traders only event last year except for John Hall and Hilary O'Kelly (thanks guys!) but we (the traders) really enjoyed it because it gave us all the chance to chat and have a laugh again, as we so rarely do these days. Great food, usually great weather, good accommodation, and some great craic - what more do you want? Count me in! (I think this time I'll try one of the Holyhead crossings rather than Fishguard to Rosslare.) Re. dates, I can manage any weekend in August but would prefer it if we avoided the bank holiday weekend (23rd - 25th). John -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and delete this E-mail from your system. Thank you. It is possible for data transmitted by email to be deliberately or accidentally corrupted or intercepted. For this reason, where the communication is by email, the Bank of Ireland Group does not accept any responsibility for any breach of confidence which may arise through the use of this medium. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of known computer viruses.
Re: [ql-users] Quanta Workshop in Norwich
- Original Message - From: Bill Cable [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Quanta Workshop in Norwich I am afraid the North American group is suffering from the same problems as the UK groups. We are lucky that Jochen and Marcel and Roy and in past years Tony and Darren like to come over even without the chance of many sales and others take it as an opportunity to come over for a holiday at the same time. Having Phoebus over here going to school is also a big plus because he has so much energy for the QL. We have one person, Al Boehm, who does his best to motivate and organize and delegate but being such a large country we are spread very thin and some of the most active QLers can not come to the shows. Thanks for the reply and to all the others who replied. Sorry to hear that attendance is also a problem in North America, but the point I was trying to make was that from the reports in QL Today it appears that North America still has shows old style with talks, demonstrations and a good social occasion. You can be sure that people would not come from Europe each year if they did not enjoy the shows. Mind you, Al can be a pretty persuasive person. We seem to have a specific problem in the UK that next year lots of people seem interested in organising shows, and that's welcome, but it is too many for those of us who have to travel long distances. Another question is what we do at shows now that numbers are smaller. I don't know the answer to this, which is one of the reasons I started the discussion. Maybe we have to think of putting more emphasis on social events and less on the QL for at least some of the shows (e.g. QUANTA AGM). A QL2000 type event, on a slightly less lavish scale, should be possible once a year, but then we have to think how we give form to more local workshops. Malcolm Cadman made a good point a few weeks ago when he said that organising a shows helps to build up enthusiasm in a local group. Geoff Wicks.
Re: [ql-users] Quanta Workshop in Norwich
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], gwicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes SNIP Maybe we have to think of putting more emphasis on social events and less on the QL for at least some of the shows Time for a plug for Darren's Irish QL social event at the end of August. Just a weekend of chat, food and the odd alcoholic libation. Over to you Darren. -- Roy Wood Q Branch. 20 Locks Hill, Portslade, Sussex. Tel: +44 (0) 1273 386030fax: +44 (0) 1273 430501 web : www.qbranch.demon.co.uk
Re: [ql-users] Quanta Workshop in Norwich
- Original Message - From: Tarquin Mills [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ql-users] Quanta Workshop in Norwich Suggested dates are March 6,7,13,14,20,21,27,28, please pick one. Possible times are 10pm to 5pm. -- Sorry I can't give any firm suggestions about dates or give a firm promise to be there at this notice. Having said that I would want to give a Norwich show a high priority because of what I have earlier said on this list about the need to break the stranglehold the South East has on shows. I would probably choose Norwich over one of the more established workshops. Please don't be put off by what I am now going to write. The show agenda for early next year is beginning to look crowded. London and Norwich are now being planned and we can also expect Hove and a QUANTA AGM all before end April/early May. (Although given that QUANTA now no longer has respect for its own constitution, it must be seen as being an unreliable, loose cannon.) Practically I think it unlikely that I would be able to attend all these workshops and I think this will probably true of most traders, particularly those who have long distances or overnight stays to get to shows. We really need to start thinking about what the frequency and purpose of workshops should now be. The attendance at the last shows has been fairly low and frankly they are beginning to offer very little to the average QL user. Their main purpose now seems to be meeting old friends and updating software from the traders. There are now no talks, no demonstrations, few people bringing their own QLs, hardly anyone giving advice or asking advice. This may be OK for the in-crowd, but not much use for people on the periphery of the QL community. The one place that still seems to have the golden touch is North America. What can we learn from them? Geoff Wicks
Re: [ql-users] Quanta Workshop in Norwich
Hi Geoff, I am afraid the North American group is suffering from the same problems as the UK groups. We are lucky that Jochen and Marcel and Roy and in past years Tony and Darren like to come over even without the chance of many sales and others take it as an opportunity to come over for a holiday at the same time. Having Phoebus over here going to school is also a big plus because he has so much energy for the QL. We have one person, Al Boehm, who does his best to motivate and organize and delegate but being such a large country we are spread very thin and some of the most active QLers can not come to the shows. -- Bill
Re: [ql-users] Quanta Workshop in Norwich
Suggested dates are March 6,7,13,14,20,21,27,28, please pick one. Possible times are 10pm to 5pm. I had agreed to move the Hove show a little later in the year so that there could be a London show in January. I cannot recall what date I gave to move it to now but I suspect it was end of March early April. The show agenda for early next year is beginning to look crowded. London and Norwich are now being planned and we can also expect Hove and a QUANTA AGM all before end April/early May. (Although given that QUANTA now no longer has respect for its own constitution, it must be seen as being an unreliable, loose cannon.) This was not Quanta's fault. It was a date clash with Jochen and then finding the hall was already booked for the alternate date. Given that Jochen's presence is preferable we decided to fit it in. Practically I think it unlikely that I would be able to attend all these workshops and I think this will probably true of most traders, particularly those who have long distances or overnight stays to get to shows. I will attend as many shows as I can and I prefer the overnight stays - more of an opportunity for socialising but gone are the days of massed meetings and large meals beforehand - sad to say. We really need to start thinking about what the frequency and purpose of workshops should now be. The attendance at the last shows has been fairly low and frankly they are beginning to offer very little to the average QL user. Their main purpose now seems to be meeting old friends and updating software from the traders. There are now no talks, no demonstrations, few people bringing their own QLs, hardly anyone giving advice or asking advice. This may be OK for the in-crowd, but not much use for people on the periphery of the QL community. In many ways I agree and find this rather a problem. I would dearly like to bring some more products to the table but this is slow in happening. There is very little to give a talk about at the moment. I am hoping that Nasta will be able to get some of his hardware ready next year and I will happily demonstrate that in his absence. Although there are now few actual QL there are a lot of people who bring laptops with QPC2 and other emulators on them and I do get asked - and give - a lot of help and advice on my stand as does Tony Firshman. The thing is that the numbers attending make demonstrations at the table easier. I would, however, say that the whole thing needs a bit of stimulation somehow and quite where that could come from is open to discussion. -- Roy Wood Q Branch. 20 Locks Hill, Portslade, Sussex. Tel: +44 (0) 1273 386030fax: +44 (0) 1273 430501 web : www.qbranch.demon.co.uk
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I also had an issue with a conflict with work which kept me from traveling to the US show. I really missed seeing everyone. I understand that, being in absence at the show, that Al has volunteered me to help with the arrangements for our next year show. And I am looking forward to it. For those who do all the planning and work - I have no ends of appreciation, even when I personally can't make it. Cheers, jim On Tuesday, July 1, 2003, at 03:10 PM, Tony Firshman wrote: On Tue, 1 Jul 2003 at 16:04:24, Bill Cable wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) I am afraid the North American group is suffering from the same problems as the UK groups. We are lucky that Jochen and Marcel and Roy and in past years Tony and Darren like to come over even without the chance of many sales and others take it as an opportunity to come over for a holiday at the same time. Having Phoebus over here going to school is also a big plus because he has so much energy for the QL. We have one person, Al Boehm, who does his best to motivate and organize and delegate but being such a large country we are spread very thin and some of the most active QLers can not come to the shows. I like to come to the US show, and would have done this year if the day did not clash with a UK date (that I knew about last year!). I hope the date of next year's show is planned well in advance and negotiated with all traders. -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
Re: [ql-users] Quanta Workshop in Norwich
First half of the month is likely to be best for me. -- Dilwyn Jones - Original Message - From: Tarquin Mills [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 4:22 PM Subject: [ql-users] Quanta Workshop in Norwich Suggested dates are March 6,7,13,14,20,21,27,28, please pick one. Possible times are 10pm to 5pm. -- Tarquin Mills ACCUS (Anglia Classic Computer Users Society) http://www.planet14.sonow4u.co.uk/comp/accus/
