RE: [ql-users] Spelin'
Yes and No - I have it but its buried on the hard drive of my PC back in my Parents house in Wicklow, some 200 miles from here!! I must see can I dig it up somewhere. Darren. -Original Message- From: Dilwyn Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 25 June 2005 17:32 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Spelin' A few years ago, Darren sent me something about the EU forcing a standardisation of English spellings. After a few years of change, the initial English text looked (to a non-German speaker) exactly like written German but readable as English. Robert's example (to me anyway) looks more like written Dutch. Do you still have that one Darren? -- Dilwyn Jones - Original Message - From: Robert Newson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Spelin' Dilwyn Jones wrote: Grrr. Who made the English language so difficult??? Because it is so difficult and some of us take the trouble to learn it correctly we don't mangle it like our cousins across the pond - especially their leader. Like this suggestion (from across the pond?): A Plan for the Improvement of English Spelling by Mark Twain For example, in Year 1 that useless letter c would be dropped to be replased either by k or s, and likewise x would no longer be part of the alphabet. The only kase in which c would be retained would be the ch formation, which will be dealt with later. Year 2 might reform w spelling, so that which and one would take the same konsonant, wile Year 3 might well abolish y replasing it with i and Iear 4 might fiks the g/j anomali wonse and for all. Jenerally, then, the improvement would kontinue iear bai iear with Iear 5 doing awai with useless double konsonants, and Iears 6-12 or so modifaiing vowlz and the rimeining voist and unvoist konsonants. Bai Iear 15 or sou, it wud fainali bi posibl tu meik ius ov thi ridandant letez c, y and x -- bai now jast a memori in the maindz ov ould doderez -- tu riplais ch, sh, and th rispektivli. Fainali, xen, aafte sam 20 iers ov orxogrefkl riform, wi wud hev a lojikl, kohirnt speling in ius xrewawt xe Ingliy-spiking werld. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.8.1/28 - Release Date: 24/06/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.8.1/28 - Release Date: 24/06/2005 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Spelin'
Dilwyn Jones wrote: Grrr. Who made the English language so difficult??? Because it is so difficult and some of us take the trouble to learn it correctly we don't mangle it like our cousins across the pond - especially their leader. Like this suggestion (from across the pond?): A Plan for the Improvement of English Spelling by Mark Twain For example, in Year 1 that useless letter c would be dropped to be replased either by k or s, and likewise x would no longer be part of the alphabet. The only kase in which c would be retained would be the ch formation, which will be dealt with later. Year 2 might reform w spelling, so that which and one would take the same konsonant, wile Year 3 might well abolish y replasing it with i and Iear 4 might fiks the g/j anomali wonse and for all. Jenerally, then, the improvement would kontinue iear bai iear with Iear 5 doing awai with useless double konsonants, and Iears 6-12 or so modifaiing vowlz and the rimeining voist and unvoist konsonants. Bai Iear 15 or sou, it wud fainali bi posibl tu meik ius ov thi ridandant letez c, y and x -- bai now jast a memori in the maindz ov ould doderez -- tu riplais ch, sh, and th rispektivli. Fainali, xen, aafte sam 20 iers ov orxogrefkl riform, wi wud hev a lojikl, kohirnt speling in ius xrewawt xe Ingliy-spiking werld. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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A few years ago, Darren sent me something about the EU forcing a standardisation of English spellings. After a few years of change, the initial English text looked (to a non-German speaker) exactly like written German but readable as English. Robert's example (to me anyway) looks more like written Dutch. Do you still have that one Darren? -- Dilwyn Jones - Original Message - From: Robert Newson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Spelin' Dilwyn Jones wrote: Grrr. Who made the English language so difficult??? Because it is so difficult and some of us take the trouble to learn it correctly we don't mangle it like our cousins across the pond - especially their leader. Like this suggestion (from across the pond?): A Plan for the Improvement of English Spelling by Mark Twain For example, in Year 1 that useless letter c would be dropped to be replased either by k or s, and likewise x would no longer be part of the alphabet. The only kase in which c would be retained would be the ch formation, which will be dealt with later. Year 2 might reform w spelling, so that which and one would take the same konsonant, wile Year 3 might well abolish y replasing it with i and Iear 4 might fiks the g/j anomali wonse and for all. Jenerally, then, the improvement would kontinue iear bai iear with Iear 5 doing awai with useless double konsonants, and Iears 6-12 or so modifaiing vowlz and the rimeining voist and unvoist konsonants. Bai Iear 15 or sou, it wud fainali bi posibl tu meik ius ov thi ridandant letez c, y and x -- bai now jast a memori in the maindz ov ould doderez -- tu riplais ch, sh, and th rispektivli. Fainali, xen, aafte sam 20 iers ov orxogrefkl riform, wi wud hev a lojikl, kohirnt speling in ius xrewawt xe Ingliy-spiking werld. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.8.1/28 - Release Date: 24/06/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.8.1/28 - Release Date: 24/06/2005 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
RE: [ql-users] Spelin'
That reminds me of a story in RTE TV here in Ireland many years ago. Similar Situation, but it was the bloke who wrote up the autocue for the newsreaders who was a little disgruntled. In one news story about a post office robbery the newsreader read the autocue:- and the postmistress was held at gunpoint by two men, each carrying sawn off shitguns Darren. -Original Message- From: Tony Firshman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 June 2005 22:07 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Spelin' On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 at 20:21:57, gwicks wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) I once made two lovely mistakes in a document I wrote about a salary agreement for my trade union. It was in the pre-WP days but a spell checker would not have helped. Problems of staffing not caused by bad management appeared as Problems of staffing not caused by bed management and Improved starting points for probation officers appeared as Improved starting pints for probation officers. My favourite was a disgruntled secretary who was used as a typist in Ford KD operations in the late 60s. We produced charts with Shipping Date These were typed by her as Shitting Date and not spotted. We were -sure- she did it intentionally - t is an awful long way from p. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 at 09:22:54, Darren Branagh wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) That reminds me of a story in RTE TV here in Ireland many years ago. Similar Situation, but it was the bloke who wrote up the autocue for the newsreaders who was a little disgruntled. In one news story about a post office robbery the newsreader read the autocue:- and the postmistress was held at gunpoint by two men, each carrying sawn off shitguns At least he had the excuse that the letters were neighbouring (8-)# Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Darren Branagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes That reminds me of a story in RTE TV here in Ireland many years ago. Similar Situation, but it was the bloke who wrote up the autocue for the newsreaders who was a little disgruntled. In one news story about a post office robbery the newsreader read the autocue:- and the postmistress was held at gunpoint by two men, each carrying sawn off shitguns Before I lived here in Brighton I had to come down for a series of shows in the Brighton Centre. We stayed in a hotel called 'The Old Ship Hotel' In the lobby was one of those board which have letters stuck into velvet slots so you can spell out various messages. On the day I was sitting in lobby I noticed it read 'The Old Ship Hotel welcomes'. I casually wandered over and removed the 'p' from Ship and replaced it with the 't' from 'Hotel'. I then replaced that 't' with the 'l' and sat down. It took over an hour of visitors giggling and snorting before the receptionist noticed what I had done. I also recall waiting for someone at Plaistow station. They had a notice on a blackboard which read, ' London Underground apologise for the delays to District Line trains. This is due to Staff Error at Rayners Park'. Unfortunately they left the chalk there and it was a moments work to turn it into 'Stark Terror at Rayners Park' Ah such juvenile amusement. -- Roy Wood Q Branch. 20 Locks Hill, Portslade, Sussex.BN41 2LB Tel: +44 (0) 1273 386030fax: +44 (0) 1273 430501 skype : royqbranch web : www.qbranch.demon.co.uk ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I must find a list of common American-English spellings and update. I have the American version. This is because, in their infinite wisdom, M$ allow you to set the country settings four times during installation. Most people manage the first two, some manage the third but the fourth one is 'location' or something like that and is buried several layers deep. If you miss it you will default to the US spellings because Bill Gates knows we are all too lazy to learn how to spell properly. -- Roy Wood Q Branch. 20 Locks Hill, Portslade, Sussex.BN41 2LB Tel: +44 (0) 1273 386030fax: +44 (0) 1273 430501 skype : royqbranch web : www.qbranch.demon.co.uk ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 at 00:40:56, Roy wood wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Darren Branagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes That reminds me of a story in RTE TV here in Ireland many years ago. Similar Situation, but it was the bloke who wrote up the autocue for the newsreaders who was a little disgruntled. In one news story about a post office robbery the newsreader read the autocue:- and the postmistress was held at gunpoint by two men, each carrying sawn off shitguns Before I lived here in Brighton I had to come down for a series of shows in the Brighton Centre. We stayed in a hotel called 'The Old Ship Hotel' In the lobby was one of those board which have letters stuck into velvet slots so you can spell out various messages. On the day I was sitting in lobby I noticed it read 'The Old Ship Hotel welcomes'. I casually wandered over and removed the 'p' from Ship and replaced it with the 't' from 'Hotel'. I then replaced that 't' with the 'l' and sat down. It took over an hour of visitors giggling and snorting before the receptionist noticed what I had done. And that left a spare pee - but that is another story (8-)# Heard of the silent P as in swimming pool? Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 at 23:21:54, Roy wood wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] .tesco.net, Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Yes, you're right about rong, I missed that. Somewhere along the line, mine must have learned SHURE. I'll have to work out how to remove it now! It is a microphone. .. and a record stylus Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 at 00:06:05, David Tubbs wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) At 23:41 21/06/2005 +0100, you wrote: Yes Dilwyn, It would be useful to know how to delete words from the Pee Sea Dicshunary witch ar noo longer reqwired. Let me know of your progress. John Gilpin Dicslectic Treshur er! (my Spell Checker has just offered Thrasher) Put it write, just edit your custom dick. TOOLSOptionsSpellGramDicksEdit 'modify' in XP Brilliant, David. I knew it was possible but thought I had to get at custom.dic directly. I must find a list of common American-English spellings and update. I have the American version. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Yes, you're right about rong, I missed that. Somewhere along the line, mine must have learned SHURE. I'll have to work out how to remove it now! It is a microphone. Ah, of course, as I used to work in broadcasting that's where it must have come from. Just out of fun I'll type the above as English words with Welsh spelling: A, of co^rs, as ai iwsd tw wyrc in bro^dcasting ddat's wher it myst haf cym ffrom. Jyst owt of ffyn ail taip ddi abyf as Inglish wyrds widd Welsh speling. (single Welsh F = English V, double Welsh F = English F). So that's what John Taylor was up to...learning Welsh! -- Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Roy! Do you mean our beloved Bertie? I'm shocked :-) Darren. -Original Message- From: Roy wood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 June 2005 23:26 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Spelin' In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes SNIP Grrr. Who made the English language so difficult??? Because it is so difficult and some of us take the trouble to learn it correctly we don't mangle it like our cousins across the pond - especially their leader. -- Roy Wood Q Branch. 20 Locks Hill, Portslade, Sussex.BN41 2LB Tel: +44 (0) 1273 386030fax: +44 (0) 1273 430501 skype : royqbranch web : www.qbranch.demon.co.uk ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Grrr. Who made the English language so difficult??? Because it is so difficult and some of us take the trouble to learn it correctly we don't mangle it like our cousins across the pond - especially their leader. Natural evolution of language is probably listed in a dictionary somewhere under his name :-) Won't be long before some versions of English are classed as separate languages I suppose, since there are significant differences (not just accents) between English as spoken on the various continents. The most widely used second language in the world...yet probably the largest number of regional variations etc as well - the original official British English (if there ever was such a thing) probably being in a minority these days. Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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From: David Tubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] It would be useful to know how to delete words from the Pee Sea Dicshunary witch ar noo longer reqwired. Let me know of your progress. John Gilpin Dicslectic Treshur er! (my Spell Checker has just offered Thrasher) Put it write, just edit your custom dick. TOOLSOptionsSpellGramDicksEdit They ain't so dumb in Seattle Thanks. Interesting to see some words I've added to custom.dic, mostly professional terms, but there is one word I don't recognise: CEMISE Anyone know if it's a valid word? Means nothing to me! Will probably be on my mind all day now until I get home to look in a dictionary. [ not a very easy to read book, but at least it explains everything as it goes along :-) ] Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Geoff Wicks has British English and American English QTYP dictionaries, it might be possible to run a comparison between the two for alternative spellings perhaps? Dilwyn Jones Tony Firshman wrote: Brilliant, David. I knew it was possible but thought I had to get at custom.dic directly. I must find a list of common American-English spellings and update. I have the American version. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Darren Branagh wrote: Roy! Do you mean our beloved Bertie? I'm shocked :-) Darren. Oh oh, here we go, Bertie Bashing... -- Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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At 09:08 22/06/2005 +0100, you wrote: TOOLSOptionsSpellGramDicksEdit 'modify' in XP Under XP home - Probably Word version, am using Off 2k Brilliant, David. I knew it was possible but thought I had to get at custom.dic directly. I must find a list of common American-English spellings and update. I have the American version. Surely we all have both, and a few more to choose from. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.10/25 - Release Date: 21/06/2005 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 at 08:55:49, Dilwyn Jones wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Grrr. Who made the English language so difficult??? Because it is so difficult and some of us take the trouble to learn it correctly we don't mangle it like our cousins across the pond - especially their leader. Natural evolution of language is probably listed in a dictionary somewhere under his name :-) Won't be long before some versions of English are classed as separate languages I suppose, since there are significant differences (not just accents) between English as spoken on the various continents. The most widely used second language in the world... Indeed it is. There are more English speakers in China and the Far East than in the UK and America combined I think. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 at 09:01:58, Dilwyn Jones wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) but there is one word I don't recognise: CEMISE Anyone know if it's a valid word? Means nothing to me! Will probably be on my mind all day now until I get home to look in a dictionary. Only almost an acronym I think: common management information service element Maybe it was meant to be Chemise (woman's loose fitting shirt) Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Or you fumble fingered while typing demise, and it added it to the dictionary by mistake - c instead of d - they are quite near on the keyboard? Darren. -Original Message- From: Tony Firshman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 June 2005 12:28 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Spelin' On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 at 09:01:58, Dilwyn Jones wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) but there is one word I don't recognise: CEMISE Anyone know if it's a valid word? Means nothing to me! Will probably be on my mind all day now until I get home to look in a dictionary. Only almost an acronym I think: common management information service element Maybe it was meant to be Chemise (woman's loose fitting shirt) Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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but there is one word I don't recognise: CEMISE Anyone know if it's a valid word? Means nothing to me! Will probably be on my mind all day now until I get home to look in a dictionary. Only almost an acronym I think: common management information service element Maybe it was meant to be Chemise (woman's loose fitting shirt) Tony Hmm, I've never heard of Chemise, so it wasn't me (honest guv) unless a miss-spelling of demise or some such word got added by Miss Steak. Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Or you fumble fingered while typing demise, and it added it to the dictionary by mistake - c instead of d - they are quite near on the keyboard? Darren. I'm quite sure DEMISE is already in the dictionary. Maybe it wasn't me who added it, or like Tony suggests it might have been an acronym or something. Knowing my typing skills, your suggestion (c near d) is probably klos 2 thy trwth. My best mis-type lately was in designing the new menus for the GD2 Launchpad. I managed to get the scaling back to front somehow. Result was a menu which vanished when resized without error. Took me days to find the typo, meantime I'd got bored with looking for it and gone to do something else. I have come to the firm conclusion that writing new QL software is infinitely easier than rewriting old software! Dilwyn -Original Message- From: Tony Firshman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 June 2005 12:28 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Spelin' On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 at 09:01:58, Dilwyn Jones wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) but there is one word I don't recognise: CEMISE Anyone know if it's a valid word? Means nothing to me! Will probably be on my mind all day now until I get home to look in a dictionary. Only almost an acronym I think: common management information service element Maybe it was meant to be Chemise (woman's loose fitting shirt) Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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- Original Message - From: Tony Firshman To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Spelin' On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 at 08:55:49, Dilwyn Jones wrote: Won't be long before some versions of English are classed as separate languages I suppose, since there are significant differences (not just accents) between English as spoken on the various continents. The most widely used second language in the world... Tony Firshman replied: Indeed it is. There are more English speakers in China and the Far East than in the UK and America combined I think. I recently read that the reason a pictogram reading system has survived in Chinese is that the land is so big and with so many dialects, that the written language is the only thing they have in common. Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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- Original Message - From: Dilwyn Jones To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 10:07 AM Subject: Re: Re: [ql-users] Spelin' Geoff Wicks has British English and American English QTYP dictionaries, it might be possible to run a comparison between the two for alternative spellings perhaps? Dilwyn Jones Actually these two lists were compiled by running a list of mixed UK/USA words through a PC spell checker. In most cases the spelling differences follow fairly simple rules. labor for labour, gray for grey etc. I once made two lovely mistakes in a document I wrote about a salary agreement for my trade union. It was in the pre-WP days but a spell checker would not have helped. Problems of staffing not caused by bad management appeared as Problems of staffing not caused by bed management and Improved starting points for probation officers appeared as Improved starting pints for probation officers. best wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 at 20:21:57, gwicks wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) I once made two lovely mistakes in a document I wrote about a salary agreement for my trade union. It was in the pre-WP days but a spell checker would not have helped. Problems of staffing not caused by bad management appeared as Problems of staffing not caused by bed management and Improved starting points for probation officers appeared as Improved starting pints for probation officers. My favourite was a disgruntled secretary who was used as a typist in Ford KD operations in the late 60s. We produced charts with Shipping Date These were typed by her as Shitting Date and not spotted. We were -sure- she did it intentionally - t is an awful long way from p. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Just out of curiousity I tried it in Word (no QTYPon this machine at work). No objection apart from the word 'chequer'. The text contains mostly words which are correct in a spell checking sense but which some of Geoff's programs might violently object to, a bit like correcting a Welshman's English perhaps! He he. Dilwyn Jones From: John Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/06/20 Mon PM 07:39:04 GMT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ql-users] Spelin' I think Geoff might like this. Eye halve a spelling chequer It came with my pea sea It plainly marques four my revue Miss steaks eye kin knot sea. Eye strike a quay and type a word And weight four it two say Weather eye am rong oar rite It shows me strait aweigh. As soon as a mist ache is maid It nose bee four two long And eye can put the error rite Its rare lea ever rong. Eye halve run this poem threw it I am shure your pleased two no Its letter perfect awl the weigh My chequer tolled me sew! John Taylor ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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I did the same. I am sure there are different M$ Word spellcheck setups, as mine found rong and shure to be incorrect spellings. I asked it to look up chequer using the online dictionary feature in outlook, and it actually found cheque, saying it was a alternative to check in UK finance terminology. So, just as we always thought - pea seas are crap :-)) Darren. -Original Message- From: Dilwyn Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 June 2005 09:41 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Spelin' Just out of curiousity I tried it in Word (no QTYPon this machine at work). No objection apart from the word 'chequer'. The text contains mostly words which are correct in a spell checking sense but which some of Geoff's programs might violently object to, a bit like correcting a Welshman's English perhaps! He he. Dilwyn Jones From: John Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/06/20 Mon PM 07:39:04 GMT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ql-users] Spelin' I think Geoff might like this. Eye halve a spelling chequer It came with my pea sea It plainly marques four my revue Miss steaks eye kin knot sea. Eye strike a quay and type a word And weight four it two say Weather eye am rong oar rite It shows me strait aweigh. As soon as a mist ache is maid It nose bee four two long And eye can put the error rite Its rare lea ever rong. Eye halve run this poem threw it I am shure your pleased two no Its letter perfect awl the weigh My chequer tolled me sew! John Taylor ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Yes, you're right about rong, I missed that. Somewhere along the line, mine must have learned SHURE. I'll have to work out how to remove it now! He he, things like this tend to expose all sorts of problems don't they! Will be interesting to see what QTYP, Style-Check etc make of John's text! Dilwyn Jones From: Darren Branagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/06/21 Tue AM 08:51:10 GMT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ql-users] Spelin' I did the same. I am sure there are different M$ Word spellcheck setups, as mine found rong and shure to be incorrect spellings. I asked it to look up chequer using the online dictionary feature in outlook, and it actually found cheque, saying it was a alternative to check in UK finance terminology. So, just as we always thought - pea seas are crap :-)) Darren. -Original Message- From: Dilwyn Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 June 2005 09:41 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Spelin' Just out of curiousity I tried it in Word (no QTYPon this machine at work). No objection apart from the word 'chequer'. The text contains mostly words which are correct in a spell checking sense but which some of Geoff's programs might violently object to, a bit like correcting a Welshman's English perhaps! He he. Dilwyn Jones From: John Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/06/20 Mon PM 07:39:04 GMT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ql-users] Spelin' I think Geoff might like this. Eye halve a spelling chequer It came with my pea sea It plainly marques four my revue Miss steaks eye kin knot sea. Eye strike a quay and type a word And weight four it two say Weather eye am rong oar rite It shows me strait aweigh. As soon as a mist ache is maid It nose bee four two long And eye can put the error rite Its rare lea ever rong. Eye halve run this poem threw it I am shure your pleased two no Its letter perfect awl the weigh My chequer tolled me sew! John Taylor ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 8:39 PM Subject: [ql-users] Spelin' I think Geoff might like this. Eye halve a spelling chequer It came with my pea sea It plainly marques four my revue Miss steaks eye kin knot sea. Eye strike a quay and type a word And weight four it two say Weather eye am rong oar rite It shows me strait aweigh. As soon as a mist ache is maid It nose bee four two long And eye can put the error rite Its rare lea ever rong. Eye halve run this poem threw it I am shure your pleased two no Its letter perfect awl the weigh My chequer tolled me sew! John Taylor I may be being pedantic, but how about the missing apostrophe in it's, it's miss-spelt with out it!! Cheers Colin ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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COLIN PARSONS wrote: ... Its letter perfect awl the weigh My chequer tolled me sew! John Taylor I may be being pedantic, but how about the missing apostrophe in it's, it's miss-spelt with out it!! But it's also rite to spell it's its. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 at 21:30:28, Robert Newson wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) COLIN PARSONS wrote: ... Its letter perfect awl the weigh My chequer tolled me sew! John Taylor I may be being pedantic, but how about the missing apostrophe in it's, it's miss-spelt with out it!! But it's also rite to spell it's its. Exactly. It's is short for It is - in the possessive one uses 'its' normally. Quite illogical of course. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Colin Parsons wrote: I think Geoff might like this. Eye halve a spelling chequer It came with my pea sea It plainly marques four my revue Miss steaks eye kin knot sea. Eye strike a quay and type a word And weight four it two say Weather eye am rong oar rite It shows me strait aweigh. As soon as a mist ache is maid It nose bee four two long And eye can put the error rite Its rare lea ever rong. Eye halve run this poem threw it I am shure your pleased two no Its letter perfect awl the weigh My chequer tolled me sew! John Taylor I may be being pedantic, but how about the missing apostrophe in it's, it's miss-spelt with out it!! Cheers Colin He he, amazing how wrong something can be, yet still be readable! In my position of editing QL Today, the commonest errors I find in written English is the swapping of its and it's. It's is of course the same as it is but everyone thinks it's is possessive like any other 's as in Colin's. Its is the correct possessive. As my English teacher at school kept telling me until he gave up, at which point I remembered which was which once he'd stopped nagging! Grrr. Who made the English language so difficult??? -- Dilwyn Jones -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: 17/06/2005 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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- Original Message - From: Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Spelin' Colin Parsons wrote: I think Geoff might like this. Eye halve a spelling chequer It came with my pea sea It plainly marques four my revue Miss steaks eye kin knot sea. Eye strike a quay and type a word And weight four it two say Weather eye am rong oar rite It shows me strait aweigh. As soon as a mist ache is maid It nose bee four two long And eye can put the error rite Its rare lea ever rong. Eye halve run this poem threw it I am shure your pleased two no Its letter perfect awl the weigh My chequer tolled me sew! John Taylor I may be being pedantic, but how about the missing apostrophe in it's, it's miss-spelt with out it!! Cheers Colin He he, amazing how wrong something can be, yet still be readable! In my position of editing QL Today, the commonest errors I find in written English is the swapping of its and it's. It's is of course the same as it is but everyone thinks it's is possessive like any other 's as in Colin's. Its is the correct possessive. As my English teacher at school kept telling me until he gave up, at which point I remembered which was which once he'd stopped nagging! Grrr. Who made the English language so difficult??? -- Dilwyn Jones Its letter perfect awl the weigh = It is letter perfect... Therfore: it's Colin ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Yes Dilwyn, It would be useful to know how to delete words from the Pee Sea Dicshunary witch ar noo longer reqwired. Let me know of your progress. John Gilpin Dicslectic Treshur er! (my Spell Checker has just offered Thrasher) - Original Message - From: COLIN PARSONS [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 11:02 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Spelin' - Original Message - From: Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Spelin' Colin Parsons wrote: I think Geoff might like this. Eye halve a spelling chequer It came with my pea sea It plainly marques four my revue Miss steaks eye kin knot sea. Eye strike a quay and type a word And weight four it two say Weather eye am rong oar rite It shows me strait aweigh. As soon as a mist ache is maid It nose bee four two long And eye can put the error rite Its rare lea ever rong. Eye halve run this poem threw it I am shure your pleased two no Its letter perfect awl the weigh My chequer tolled me sew! John Taylor I may be being pedantic, but how about the missing apostrophe in it's, it's miss-spelt with out it!! Cheers Colin He he, amazing how wrong something can be, yet still be readable! In my position of editing QL Today, the commonest errors I find in written English is the swapping of its and it's. It's is of course the same as it is but everyone thinks it's is possessive like any other 's as in Colin's. Its is the correct possessive. As my English teacher at school kept telling me until he gave up, at which point I remembered which was which once he'd stopped nagging! Grrr. Who made the English language so difficult??? -- Dilwyn Jones Its letter perfect awl the weigh = It is letter perfect... Therfore: it's Colin ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes SNIP Grrr. Who made the English language so difficult??? Because it is so difficult and some of us take the trouble to learn it correctly we don't mangle it like our cousins across the pond - especially their leader. -- Roy Wood Q Branch. 20 Locks Hill, Portslade, Sussex.BN41 2LB Tel: +44 (0) 1273 386030fax: +44 (0) 1273 430501 skype : royqbranch web : www.qbranch.demon.co.uk ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Yes, you're right about rong, I missed that. Somewhere along the line, mine must have learned SHURE. I'll have to work out how to remove it now! It is a microphone. He he, things like this tend to expose all sorts of problems don't they! Will be interesting to see what QTYP, Style-Check etc make of John's text! Dilwyn Jones -- Roy Wood Q Branch. 20 Locks Hill, Portslade, Sussex.BN41 2LB Tel: +44 (0) 1273 386030fax: +44 (0) 1273 430501 skype : royqbranch web : www.qbranch.demon.co.uk ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Its letter perfect awl the weigh = It is letter perfect... Therfore: it's Colin So if you want an alternative word which matches the rest in its wrongness, but passes the spell checker, you have to omit the apostrophe. So the original was correct in its incorrectness. Or should I have writ Sew, if yew wont an awl-tern-native weird (think scouse) witch matte-chess the rest in it's wrongness, but parses the spelling chequer, yew have to .? Jeremy ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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- Original Message - From: Jeremy Taffel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 12:17 AM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Spelin' Its letter perfect awl the weigh = It is letter perfect... Therfore: it's Colin So if you want an alternative word which matches the rest in its wrongness, but passes the spell checker, you have to omit the apostrophe. So the original was correct in its incorrectness. Or should I have writ Sew, if yew wont an awl-tern-native weird (think scouse) witch matte-chess the rest in it's wrongness, but parses the spelling chequer, yew have to .? Jeremy ___ Perfectly correct, there is nothing worse than the Word spell checker, as I wanted to point out, it can't adjudicate between two perfectly correct spellings, of the common indefinite article, according to its context (correct possessive case of the pronoun), therfore it's useless!!! Cheers Colin ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
