Re: [R] 10% off Intro R training from RStudio: NYC May 13-14, SF May 20-21

2013-04-16 Thread Bert Gunter
Hadley:

I don't think this is appropriate. Think of what it would be like if everyone 
shilled their R training and consulting wares here. 

Bert

Sent from my iPhone -- please excuse typos.

On Apr 16, 2013, at 8:09 AM, Hadley Wickham h.wick...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 At RStudio, we're hosting our Introduction to R Workshop this May in
 two locations. As an R-help subscriber, we're offering 10% off!
 
 * Intro to data science with R (http://goo.gl/bplg3)
  May 13-14 New York City
 
 * Intro to data science with R (http://goo.gl/VCUFL)
  May 20-21 San Francisco Bay Area
 
 What will you learn?
 
 Practical skills for visualizing, transforming, and modeling data in
 R. During this two-day course, you will learn how to explore and
 understand data as well as how to do basic programming in R. Our
 courses incorporate a mix of lectures and hands-on learning. Expect to
 learn about a topic and then immediately put it into practice with a
 small example. Plenty of help will be available if you get stuck. You
 can read more about our training philosophy at
 http://www.rstudio.com/training/philosophy.html
 
 To see prices, precise locations and to register:
 
 * for the NY course: http://rstudio-nyc.eventbrite.com/
 * for the SF course: http://rstudio-bay.eventbrite.com/
 
 We have limited discounts for students (66% off) and academics (33%
 off) - please contact j...@rstudio.com for details. To thank the
 R-help community for being such a great resource, we'd also like to
 offer all R-help subscribers a 10% discount. Just enter rhelpftw as
 a promotional code get 10% off!
 
 Regards,
 
 Hadley
 
 PS. Would you like us to offer these courses (or others!) in your
 area? Please let us know at
 http://www.rstudio.com/training/workshops/
 
 --
 Chief Scientist, RStudio
 http://had.co.nz/
 
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Re: [R] 10% off Intro R training from RStudio: NYC May 13-14, SF May 20-21

2013-04-16 Thread John Kane




 -Original Message-
 From: gunter.ber...@gene.com
 Sent: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 09:43:14 -0700
 To: h.wick...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [R] 10% off Intro R training from RStudio: NYC May 13-14, SF
 May 20-21
 
 Hadley:
 
 I don't think this is appropriate. Think of what it would be like if
 everyone shilled their R training and consulting wares here.

They do.

John Kane
Kingston ON Canada

 
 Bert
 
 Sent from my iPhone -- please excuse typos.
 
 On Apr 16, 2013, at 8:09 AM, Hadley Wickham h.wick...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 At RStudio, we're hosting our Introduction to R Workshop this May in
 two locations. As an R-help subscriber, we're offering 10% off!
 
 * Intro to data science with R (http://goo.gl/bplg3)
  May 13-14 New York City
 
 * Intro to data science with R (http://goo.gl/VCUFL)
  May 20-21 San Francisco Bay Area
 
 What will you learn?
 
 Practical skills for visualizing, transforming, and modeling data in
 R. During this two-day course, you will learn how to explore and
 understand data as well as how to do basic programming in R. Our
 courses incorporate a mix of lectures and hands-on learning. Expect to
 learn about a topic and then immediately put it into practice with a
 small example. Plenty of help will be available if you get stuck. You
 can read more about our training philosophy at
 http://www.rstudio.com/training/philosophy.html
 
 To see prices, precise locations and to register:
 
 * for the NY course: http://rstudio-nyc.eventbrite.com/
 * for the SF course: http://rstudio-bay.eventbrite.com/
 
 We have limited discounts for students (66% off) and academics (33%
 off) - please contact j...@rstudio.com for details. To thank the
 R-help community for being such a great resource, we'd also like to
 offer all R-help subscribers a 10% discount. Just enter rhelpftw as
 a promotional code get 10% off!
 
 Regards,
 
 Hadley
 
 PS. Would you like us to offer these courses (or others!) in your
 area? Please let us know at
 http://www.rstudio.com/training/workshops/
 
 --
 Chief Scientist, RStudio
 http://had.co.nz/
 
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Re: [R] 10% off Intro R training from RStudio: NYC May 13-14, SF May 20-21

2013-04-16 Thread Barry Rowlingson
On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Bert Gunter gunter.ber...@gene.com wrote:
 Hadley:

 I don't think this is appropriate. Think of what it would be like if everyone 
 shilled their R training and consulting wares here.

Everyone does, don't they? A search on Nabble shows up regular
postings from XLSolutions, Mango used to post (not seen anything in a
while) and Revo sneak the odd commercial in Dave Smith's updates.

I don't see anything about non-commercial postings being banned from
R-help, but they do seem to be against the spirit of R-help.

I suspect commercials sneak in under under 'announcements' in the
R-help documentation:

R-help: The ‘main’ R mailing list, for [...] announcements (not
covered by ‘R-announce’ or ‘R-packages’, see above)

As with everything R, if it bothers the maintainers, then they'll put
a stop to it. We users matter not...

Barry

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Re: [R] 10% off Intro R training from RStudio: NYC May 13-14, SF May 20-21

2013-04-16 Thread Mark Leeds
Hi Bert: given what Hadley and Rstudio have provided to the R-community,
what's the big deal of
letting people know about a class. It's the ideal place to send the notice.
and yes, as Barry
and John said, every other commercial entity does send to the R-list.


Mark





On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Barry Rowlingson 
b.rowling...@lancaster.ac.uk wrote:

 On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Bert Gunter gunter.ber...@gene.com
 wrote:
  Hadley:
 
  I don't think this is appropriate. Think of what it would be like if
 everyone shilled their R training and consulting wares here.

 Everyone does, don't they? A search on Nabble shows up regular
 postings from XLSolutions, Mango used to post (not seen anything in a
 while) and Revo sneak the odd commercial in Dave Smith's updates.

 I don't see anything about non-commercial postings being banned from
 R-help, but they do seem to be against the spirit of R-help.

 I suspect commercials sneak in under under 'announcements' in the
 R-help documentation:

 R-help: The ‘main’ R mailing list, for [...] announcements (not
 covered by ‘R-announce’ or ‘R-packages’, see above)

 As with everything R, if it bothers the maintainers, then they'll put
 a stop to it. We users matter not...

 Barry

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Re: [R] 10% off Intro R training from RStudio: NYC May 13-14, SF May 20-21

2013-04-16 Thread Hadley Wickham
Hi Bert,

We are following the mailing list guidelines to the best of our
knowledge (e.g.
http://r.789695.n4.nabble.com/R-development-master-class-NYC-Dec-12-13-td4037031.html#a4038699).
It's our belief (as shared by others) that advertising our courses
falls under the general aegis of helping people learn R.

Our goal is for RStudio to be a net positive to R the community. We
support the R foundation, R user groups, do a lot of teaching for
free, and develop a lot of open-source software like the RStudio IDE,
shiny, ggplot2 and devtools. Public courses help fuel our development
and hence benefit the R community.

Hadley

On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Bert Gunter gunter.ber...@gene.com wrote:
 Hadley:

 I don't think this is appropriate. Think of what it would be like if everyone 
 shilled their R training and consulting wares here.

 Bert

 Sent from my iPhone -- please excuse typos.

 On Apr 16, 2013, at 8:09 AM, Hadley Wickham h.wick...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,

 At RStudio, we're hosting our Introduction to R Workshop this May in
 two locations. As an R-help subscriber, we're offering 10% off!

 * Intro to data science with R (http://goo.gl/bplg3)
  May 13-14 New York City

 * Intro to data science with R (http://goo.gl/VCUFL)
  May 20-21 San Francisco Bay Area

 What will you learn?

 Practical skills for visualizing, transforming, and modeling data in
 R. During this two-day course, you will learn how to explore and
 understand data as well as how to do basic programming in R. Our
 courses incorporate a mix of lectures and hands-on learning. Expect to
 learn about a topic and then immediately put it into practice with a
 small example. Plenty of help will be available if you get stuck. You
 can read more about our training philosophy at
 http://www.rstudio.com/training/philosophy.html

 To see prices, precise locations and to register:

 * for the NY course: http://rstudio-nyc.eventbrite.com/
 * for the SF course: http://rstudio-bay.eventbrite.com/

 We have limited discounts for students (66% off) and academics (33%
 off) - please contact j...@rstudio.com for details. To thank the
 R-help community for being such a great resource, we'd also like to
 offer all R-help subscribers a 10% discount. Just enter rhelpftw as
 a promotional code get 10% off!

 Regards,

 Hadley

 PS. Would you like us to offer these courses (or others!) in your
 area? Please let us know at
 http://www.rstudio.com/training/workshops/

 --
 Chief Scientist, RStudio
 http://had.co.nz/

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Re: [R] 10% off Intro R training from RStudio: NYC May 13-14, SF May 20-21

2013-04-16 Thread Michael Weylandt
On Apr 16, 2013, at 12:43, Bert Gunter gunter.ber...@gene.com wrote:

 Hadley:
 
 I don't think this is appropriate. Think of what it would be like if everyone 
 shilled their R training and consulting wares here. 

Echoing others, this seems an accepted practice on the lists, endorsed at least 
in one instance by Peter Dalgaard: 
https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-help/2011-November/295496.html. 

Similarly,  Dirk has sent brief announcements for Rcpp training on the Rcpp 
list: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.r.rcpp/2334 I believe on 
R-SIG-HPC as well, but I don't have a link handy. 

List moderators will -- and have -- stepped in when it gets spammy: 
http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.r.hpc/1338

Michael
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