Re: [racket-users] Racket Discourse

[Damien Mattei]

i apologize ,the confirmation mail  was in the spam folder,
everything is fine now
thanks
Damien

On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 6:46 PM John Clements 
wrote:

> I’m sorry to hear that! Several things to check/try
>
> 1) I see the confirmation email coming from “rac...@discoursemail.com”,
> with subject line "[Racket Discussions] Confirm your new account”
>
> Maybe it’s in your junk folder?
>
> 2) You can always ignore the given url and just go to
> racket.discourse.group and sign up manually, perhaps that will work.
>
> Let me know if I can help any further, I do know that people have signed
> up using gmail accounts.
>
> John
>
> > On Nov 23, 2021, at 12:25, damien...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
> >
> > if i create an account following the link at the end of this message , i
> never get verification email at my google address i specified.
> >
> > On Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 7:09:21 PM UTC+1 johnbclements wrote:
> > TL;DR: Go to
> >
> > https://racket.discourse.group/invites/okLTSrQw1T
> >
> > and sign up for Racket Discourse (https://racket.discourse.group/)
> >
> > # Thoughts behind the move:
> >
> > Over time, it has become steadily more apparent that email-only
> > mailing lists are an outdated communication medium for the Racket
> > community. More recent arrivals in our community have generally
> > chosen other platforms like slack or discord to carry on discussions.
> > As a result, the signal-to-noise ratio of the racket users mailing list
> > has dropped below the level of viability.
> >
> > In short, it’s time to give up on the mailing list.
> >
> > After a good deal of research, it looks like there’s room for a whole
> > bunch of discussion platforms for Racket, but it also seems as though
> > there should be a “permanent” one; it should be archived, it should be
> > searchable in its entirety, and it should not tie us to someone else’s
> > plan to monetize user data.
> >
> > Given these criteria, the winner is Discourse, an open-source
> > messaging platform built by Jeff Atwood, Robin Ward, and Sam
> > Saffron. It has a reasonable business model (they host projects like
> > ours unless they get really big, whereupon you can either host it
> > yourself or pay them to do it); it’s widely used by other language
> > communities; and it appears to do most of what we want.
> >
> > # So where can I sign up?
> >
> > Sign up here: https://racket.discourse.group/invites/okLTSrQw1T
> >
> > The discourse platform has been in a “soft opening” phase for about
> > two weeks now, since RacketCon, and we have about a hundred users.
> > You’re receiving this message because we’d like to have *YOU* there
> > as well.
> >
> > # Can I still receive messages like a mailing list?
> >
> > Yes, you can. I have it enabled myself!
> > To use discord as a mailing-list:
> > Sign up, go to Preferences > Email, and tick “Enable mailing list mode'.
> >
> > Yours,
> >
> > John Clements & Stephen De Gabrielle
> >
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Re: [racket-users] Racket Discourse

['John Clements' via Racket Users]

I’m sorry to hear that! Several things to check/try

1) I see the confirmation email coming from “rac...@discoursemail.com”, with 
subject line "[Racket Discussions] Confirm your new account”

Maybe it’s in your junk folder?

2) You can always ignore the given url and just go to racket.discourse.group 
and sign up manually, perhaps that will work.

Let me know if I can help any further, I do know that people have signed up 
using gmail accounts.

John

> On Nov 23, 2021, at 12:25, damien...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
> 
> if i create an account following the link at the end of this message , i 
> never get verification email at my google address i specified.
> 
> On Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 7:09:21 PM UTC+1 johnbclements wrote:
> TL;DR: Go to 
> 
> https://racket.discourse.group/invites/okLTSrQw1T 
> 
> and sign up for Racket Discourse (https://racket.discourse.group/) 
> 
> # Thoughts behind the move: 
> 
> Over time, it has become steadily more apparent that email-only 
> mailing lists are an outdated communication medium for the Racket 
> community. More recent arrivals in our community have generally 
> chosen other platforms like slack or discord to carry on discussions. 
> As a result, the signal-to-noise ratio of the racket users mailing list 
> has dropped below the level of viability. 
> 
> In short, it’s time to give up on the mailing list. 
> 
> After a good deal of research, it looks like there’s room for a whole 
> bunch of discussion platforms for Racket, but it also seems as though 
> there should be a “permanent” one; it should be archived, it should be 
> searchable in its entirety, and it should not tie us to someone else’s 
> plan to monetize user data. 
> 
> Given these criteria, the winner is Discourse, an open-source 
> messaging platform built by Jeff Atwood, Robin Ward, and Sam 
> Saffron. It has a reasonable business model (they host projects like 
> ours unless they get really big, whereupon you can either host it 
> yourself or pay them to do it); it’s widely used by other language 
> communities; and it appears to do most of what we want. 
> 
> # So where can I sign up? 
> 
> Sign up here: https://racket.discourse.group/invites/okLTSrQw1T 
> 
> The discourse platform has been in a “soft opening” phase for about 
> two weeks now, since RacketCon, and we have about a hundred users. 
> You’re receiving this message because we’d like to have *YOU* there 
> as well. 
> 
> # Can I still receive messages like a mailing list? 
> 
> Yes, you can. I have it enabled myself! 
> To use discord as a mailing-list: 
> Sign up, go to Preferences > Email, and tick “Enable mailing list mode'. 
> 
> Yours, 
> 
> John Clements & Stephen De Gabrielle 
> 
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[racket-users] Re: Racket Discourse

[damien...@gmail.com]

if i create an account following the link at the end of this message , i 
never get verification email at my google address i specified.

On Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 7:09:21 PM UTC+1 johnbclements wrote:

> TL;DR: Go to
>
> https://racket.discourse.group/invites/okLTSrQw1T
>
> and sign up for Racket Discourse (https://racket.discourse.group/)
>
> # Thoughts behind the move:
>
> Over time, it has become steadily more apparent that email-only 
> mailing lists are an outdated communication medium for the Racket
> community. More recent arrivals in our community have generally 
> chosen other platforms like slack or discord to carry on discussions. 
> As a result, the signal-to-noise ratio of the racket users mailing list 
> has dropped below the level of viability.
>
> In short, it’s time to give up on the mailing list.
>
> After a good deal of research, it looks like there’s room for a whole
> bunch of discussion platforms for Racket, but it also seems as though
> there should be a “permanent” one; it should be archived, it should be
> searchable in its entirety, and it should not tie us to someone else’s
> plan to monetize user data.
>
> Given these criteria, the winner is Discourse, an open-source
> messaging platform built by Jeff Atwood, Robin Ward, and Sam
> Saffron. It has a reasonable business model (they host projects like
> ours unless they get really big, whereupon you can either host it
> yourself or pay them to do it); it’s widely used by other language
> communities; and it appears to do most of what we want.
>
> # So where can I sign up?
>
> Sign up here: https://racket.discourse.group/invites/okLTSrQw1T
>
> The discourse platform has been in a “soft opening” phase for about 
> two weeks now, since RacketCon, and we have about a hundred users. 
> You’re receiving this message because we’d like to have *YOU* there 
> as well.
>
> # Can I still receive messages like a mailing list?
>
> Yes, you can. I have it enabled myself! 
> To use discord as a mailing-list:
> Sign up, go to Preferences > Email, and tick “Enable mailing list mode'.
>
> Yours,
>
> John Clements & Stephen De Gabrielle
>

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Re: the end of the [racket-users] mailing list and the migration to Discourse as a forum for Racket

[Dexter Lagan]

  Correct! Same feeling here.

Sir Wexler please do explain yourself.

Have a great day!

Dex

> On Nov 23, 2021, at 11:38 AM, kamist...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I searched for "Etan Wexler" on google groups and found other older messages, 
> but they seem more normal, human written.
> But I can't quite decide whether this latest message is human art, or maybe 
> ai art / an ai or a bot conversing.
> 
> What I find strange is the repetitions within the text, but that might be an 
> "intentional" choice, whether human or AI.
> Interestingly Discourse is mistyped as Discursive, I didn't know that word as 
> non-native speaker, it means to digress / "to wander from the subject" and 
> the text seems to do that.
> So that could both be a human using irony or an AI seeing it as an prompt to 
> do that.
> 
> While the message reminds me of early videos I saw about GPT-2 and AI 
> generated texts, within the context of the other messages I am not really 
> sure.
> The earlier messages make me think, the text is written by a human that likes 
> word puzzles and experimenting with different styles of expression, without 
> leaving an explanation of what is actually meant. 
> I guess we are reaching a point were we can't be sure anymore whether there 
> is a human typing anymore.
> I also wonder whether all captchas are completely useless by now.
> 
> At least videos like this make me think that is the case:
> OpenAI GPT-3 - Good At Almost Everything! 烙
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x9AwxfjxvE
> 
> I guess we will have to wait and see, whether there will be other messages.
> 
> Simon
> 
> dexte...@gmail.com schrieb am Dienstag, 23. November 2021 um 09:12:25 UTC+1:
>>   This is by far the strangest message I've ever read about Racket. It comes 
>> a close second to that all-caps spam we get constantly on the mailing list! 
>> I'd pay good money to know what's written between the lines. It sounds like 
>> really, really passive-aggressive.
>> 
>> Dex
>> 
>>> On Monday, November 22, 2021 at 3:55:08 PM UTC+1 johnbclements wrote:
>>> I’m … super confused by this message. Did I miss something? I feel like 
>>> this message has a subtext that I’m completely missing. 
>>> 
>>> John 
>>> 
>>> > On Nov 22, 2021, at 08:06, Etan Wexler  wrote: 
>>> > 
>>> > The stewards of Racket have decided that it’s time to give up on the 
>>> > mailing list (that is, racket-users, to which this message is a 
>>> > contribution). The stewards of Racket have designated another forum for 
>>> > Racket as the successor to racket-users. This other forum for discussing 
>>> > Racket has as its basis the software named “Discourse”, which is 
>>> > open‐source. Enlisting is prerequisite to contributing to the Discursive 
>>> > forum for Racket. Enlisting is prerequisite to receiving as Internet mail 
>>> > the contributions to the Discursive forum for Racket. The stewards of 
>>> > Racket have published a facility for enlisting as a participant in the 
>>> > Discursive forum for Racket. 
>>> > 
>>> 
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Re: the end of the [racket-users] mailing list and the migration to Discourse as a forum for Racket

[kamist...@gmail.com]

I searched for "Etan Wexler" on google groups and found other older 
messages, but they seem more normal, human written.
But I can't quite decide whether this latest message is human art, or maybe 
ai art / an ai or a bot conversing.

What I find strange is the repetitions within the text, but that might be 
an "intentional" choice, whether human or AI.
Interestingly Discourse is mistyped as Discursive, I didn't know that word 
as non-native speaker, it means to digress / "to wander from the subject" 
and the text seems to do that.
So that could both be a human using irony or an AI seeing it as an prompt 
to do that.

While the message reminds me of early videos I saw about GPT-2 and AI 
generated texts, within the context of the other messages I am not really 
sure.
The earlier messages make me think, the text is written by a human that 
likes word puzzles and experimenting with different styles of expression, 
without leaving an explanation of what is actually meant. 
I guess we are reaching a point were we can't be sure anymore whether there 
is a human typing anymore.
I also wonder whether all captchas are completely useless by now.

At least videos like this make me think that is the case:
OpenAI GPT-3 - Good At Almost Everything! 烙
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x9AwxfjxvE

I guess we will have to wait and see, whether there will be other messages.

Simon

dexte...@gmail.com schrieb am Dienstag, 23. November 2021 um 09:12:25 UTC+1:

>   This is by far the strangest message I've ever read about Racket. It 
> comes a close second to that all-caps spam we get constantly on the mailing 
> list! I'd pay good money to know what's written between the lines. It 
> sounds like really, really passive-aggressive.
>
> Dex
>
> On Monday, November 22, 2021 at 3:55:08 PM UTC+1 johnbclements wrote:
>
>> I’m … super confused by this message. Did I miss something? I feel like 
>> this message has a subtext that I’m completely missing. 
>>
>> John 
>>
>> > On Nov 22, 2021, at 08:06, Etan Wexler  wrote: 
>> > 
>> > The stewards of Racket have decided that it’s time to give up on the 
>> mailing list (that is, racket-users, to which this message is a 
>> contribution). The stewards of Racket have designated another forum for 
>> Racket as the successor to racket-users. This other forum for discussing 
>> Racket has as its basis the software named “Discourse”, which is 
>> open‐source. Enlisting is prerequisite to contributing to the Discursive 
>> forum for Racket. Enlisting is prerequisite to receiving as Internet mail 
>> the contributions to the Discursive forum for Racket. The stewards of 
>> Racket have published a facility for enlisting as a participant in the 
>> Discursive forum for Racket. 
>> > 
>>
>>

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Re: the end of the [racket-users] mailing list and the migration to Discourse as a forum for Racket

[Dominik Pantůček]

Hello Racketeers,

I wouldn't take it as passive-aggressive per-se. It's just super 
confusing. Especially if you watch the discussion about future of Racket 
at RacketCon where Matthias has stated it pretty clearly and other 
confirmed that - the core team is doing all infrastructure maintenance 
more-or-less in their free time because their primary focus is 
development (of various parts of Racket ecosystem).


I am trying to use Discourse like ML and although it's got some really 
rough edges, it kinda works. If the new topic creation via mail gets 
resolved, it will be basically OK for me. My impression is that some of 
its features could be called "NNTP-like" and yes, I would really like to 
see NNTP interface (and then importing all those years of MLs into the 
archives would make much more sense then).


But as others have pointed out, maintaining infrastructure such as this 
requires non-negligible amount of work! So please take this as my 
personal opinion and not as an - even the slightest - attempt of 
demanding anything! I run some infrastructure and I know it needs time 
(all the time).



And thanks to John and Stephen for taking care of the Discourse instance!


Cheers,
Dominik

On 23. 11. 21 9:12, Dexter Lagan wrote:
   This is by far the strangest message I've ever read about Racket. It 
comes a close second to that all-caps spam we get constantly on the 
mailing list! I'd pay good money to know what's written between the 
lines. It sounds like really, really passive-aggressive.


Dex

On Monday, November 22, 2021 at 3:55:08 PM UTC+1 johnbclements wrote:

I’m … super confused by this message. Did I miss something? I feel
like this message has a subtext that I’m completely missing.

John

 > On Nov 22, 2021, at 08:06, Etan Wexler  wrote:
 >
 > The stewards of Racket have decided that it’s time to give up on
the mailing list (that is, racket-users, to which this message is a
contribution). The stewards of Racket have designated another forum
for Racket as the successor to racket-users. This other forum for
discussing Racket has as its basis the software named “Discourse”,
which is open‐source. Enlisting is prerequisite to contributing to
the Discursive forum for Racket. Enlisting is prerequisite to
receiving as Internet mail the contributions to the Discursive forum
for Racket. The stewards of Racket have published a facility for
enlisting as a participant in the Discursive forum for Racket.
 >

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Re: the end of the [racket-users] mailing list and the migration to Discourse as a forum for Racket

[Dexter Lagan]

  This is by far the strangest message I've ever read about Racket. It 
comes a close second to that all-caps spam we get constantly on the mailing 
list! I'd pay good money to know what's written between the lines. It 
sounds like really, really passive-aggressive.

Dex

On Monday, November 22, 2021 at 3:55:08 PM UTC+1 johnbclements wrote:

> I’m … super confused by this message. Did I miss something? I feel like 
> this message has a subtext that I’m completely missing.
>
> John
>
> > On Nov 22, 2021, at 08:06, Etan Wexler  wrote:
> > 
> > The stewards of Racket have decided that it’s time to give up on the 
> mailing list (that is, racket-users, to which this message is a 
> contribution). The stewards of Racket have designated another forum for 
> Racket as the successor to racket-users. This other forum for discussing 
> Racket has as its basis the software named “Discourse”, which is 
> open‐source. Enlisting is prerequisite to contributing to the Discursive 
> forum for Racket. Enlisting is prerequisite to receiving as Internet mail 
> the contributions to the Discursive forum for Racket. The stewards of 
> Racket have published a facility for enlisting as a participant in the 
> Discursive forum for Racket.
> > 
>
>

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