Re: [RDA-L] Cost of Retrospective Conversion for Legacy Data (Was RDA Toolkit Price Change)
You can also customize is a little for no additional charge. For example, we chose not to have MARCIVE convert the 250 which is a descriptive field. For the record, I'm not too happy with some of their choices for the 336-338 fields, but we send so little that isn't RDA converted already that I just accept what they send. Guy Frost Associate Professor of Library Science Catalog Librarian Odum Library/Valdosta State University Valdosta, Georgia 31698-0150 229.259.5060 gfr...@valdosta.edu FDLP 0125 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA on behalf of Jenifer K Marquardt j...@uga.edu Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 12:29 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Cost of Retrospective Conversion for Legacy Data (Was RDA Toolkit Price Change) Some basic conversion is being done by vendors, though, of course, adding relationship designators isn't an easily automated process. Just as an example, here is the announcement from our authorities vendor MARCIVE. I've left in the contact and marketing information just in case anyone is interested. Jenifer MARCIVE RDA Conversion Service Underway September 9, 2013 Since January 2013, MARCIVE has begun offering standard RDA Conversion (RDACS) as a part of both backfile and ongoing authorities processing at no additional cost, and a number of libraries have come on board. These libraries chose to have RDACS performed as a part of their authorities projects for different reasons. For example, the Univ. of Houston did it as a part of a migration project. For more information see the presentation that Richard Guajardo gave on this at the ALA Annual Conference at http://home.marcive.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/ALA2013-RDA-Guajardo-Final.ppt. We’ve performed this processing on a variety of libraries with different integrated library systems. If you are a current customer of our Overnight Authorities Service, you can request that we turn on RDACS for free beginning with the next file you send to us. Here are the instructions: Send an email to dthom...@marcive.com and include MARCIVE ID code or codes to be updated Full name of your library Your name and email address State “Perform full RDACS processing for OA” Provide your library’s organizational code from the MARC Code List for Organizations Choose an option for your General Material Designation (GMD): “Retain GMD in 245 $h” “Delete GMD from 245.” “Copy GMD to 500 note.” Does your system still require the GMD (at least for now)? We can create one where lacking for a one-time nominal fee. Want more information on what is included in RDACS? Start with this brief presentation at http://home.marcive.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/ALA2013-RDA-July.ppt Or contact a Marketing Representative at 800-531-7678 with any questions you have. We speak RDA! ALA Midwinter 201 Jenifer K. Marquardt Asst. Head of Cataloging Authorities Librarian University of Georgia Athens, GA 30602-1641 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] on behalf of Julie Moore [julie.renee.mo...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 12:01 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: [RDA-L] Cost of Retrospective Conversion for Legacy Data (Was RDA Toolkit Price Change) James Weinheimer wrote: But if we are to make all of these relators and relationships useful for the public, the simple undeniable fact is: incredible retrospective conversions will have to be done and I have never heard of estimates of how much those will cost. The RDA subscriptions are peanuts by comparison. Was any of that discussed during the decision making for RDA? Maybe it wasn't discussed then, but it sure will be in the future! You can only ignore it for so long. So let's talk about it! I'm curious about this, too! Has this been considered? All I have ever heard was that RDA records would work fine with other legacy records in our catalogs. Julie Moore -- Julie Renee Moore Head of Cataloging California State University, Fresno julie.renee.mo...@gmail.commailto:julie.renee.mo...@gmail.com 559-278-5813 “Those who bring sunshine to the lives of others cannot keep it from themselves.” ... James Matthew Barrie
Re: [RDA-L] Cost of Retrospective Conversion for Legacy Data (Was RDA Toolkit Price Change)
If anyone is interested, Appendixes E, F and G of the documentation for the cataloger's toolkit describe many of the RDA-related changes we are making in our database. At present we are changing one record at a time (as we do other work on the record), but I expect to have a batch program early in the new year; certainly, we intend to use such a batch program to finish the conversion of our database before the migration to Alma. This batch program will probably be similar to the earlier program that made RDA-related changes to access fields: for anyone, it will read and write files of MARC records; for Voyager users, it will also be able to update the database directly. You can start here: http://files.library.northwestern.edu/public/CatalogersToolkit/Documentation/Online/#Appendix_E I will emphasize that the generation of 33X fields becomes a knotty problem if a record combines expressions in different forms (such as print and online). We plan to untangle as many of our lumped-together records as we can before we RDA-ize our database with a batch program. Gary L. Strawn, Authorities Librarian, etc. Twitter: GaryLStrawn Northwestern University Library, 1970 Campus Drive, Evanston IL 60208-2300 e-mail: mrsm...@northwestern.edu voice: 847/491-2788 fax: 847/491-8306 Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit. BatchCat version: 2007.25.428 -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Guy Vernon Frost Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 8:13 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Cost of Retrospective Conversion for Legacy Data (Was RDA Toolkit Price Change) You can also customize is a little for no additional charge. For example, we chose not to have MARCIVE convert the 250 which is a descriptive field. For the record, I'm not too happy with some of their choices for the 336-338 fields, but we send so little that isn't RDA converted already that I just accept what they send.
Re: [RDA-L] Cost of Retrospective Conversion for Legacy Data (Was RDA Toolkit Price Change)
For the most part I don't think there is any pressing need to convert pre-RDA descriptive cataloging. The changes to the descriptive portion of the record are more or less aesthetic (p. vs pages for example). We have lived with AACR2 and pre-AACR2 records living cheek-by-jowl in our catalogs for generations, and no catalog that I know has spontaneously combusted because of it. But the real question is access points--and in particular, whether RDA relators can be retrospectively added to pre-AACR2 records. As someone has already pointed out, as it stands they are not going to be particularly useful in constructing indexes or underpinning faceted discovery unless they are uniformly present in every record in the catalog. If they are not consistently applied then users will either get loosey results (things showing up where they don't belong) or worse, lossy results (things NOT showing up where they do belong). I would be very curious to know if anyone with a systems background has thought about ways to batch-apply relators to existing records. Perhaps by making use of existing statements of responsibility? It seems to me given the number of pre-RDA records out there that no one will ever have time and/or money to update them manually. Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions and Discovery Enhancement MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Gary L Strawn Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 4:33 PM To: RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Cost of Retrospective Conversion for Legacy Data (Was RDA Toolkit Price Change) If anyone is interested, Appendixes E, F and G of the documentation for the cataloger's toolkit describe many of the RDA-related changes we are making in our database. At present we are changing one record at a time (as we do other work on the record), but I expect to have a batch program early in the new year; certainly, we intend to use such a batch program to finish the conversion of our database before the migration to Alma. This batch program will probably be similar to the earlier program that made RDA-related changes to access fields: for anyone, it will read and write files of MARC records; for Voyager users, it will also be able to update the database directly. You can start here: http://files.library.northwestern.edu/public/CatalogersToolkit/Documentation/Online/#Appendix_E I will emphasize that the generation of 33X fields becomes a knotty problem if a record combines expressions in different forms (such as print and online). We plan to untangle as many of our lumped-together records as we can before we RDA-ize our database with a batch program. Gary L. Strawn, Authorities Librarian, etc. Twitter: GaryLStrawn Northwestern University Library, 1970 Campus Drive, Evanston IL 60208-2300 e-mail: mrsm...@northwestern.edu voice: 847/491-2788 fax: 847/491-8306 Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit. BatchCat version: 2007.25.428 -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Guy Vernon Frost Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 8:13 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Cost of Retrospective Conversion for Legacy Data (Was RDA Toolkit Price Change) You can also customize is a little for no additional charge. For example, we chose not to have MARCIVE convert the 250 which is a descriptive field. For the record, I'm not too happy with some of their choices for the 336-338 fields, but we send so little that isn't RDA converted already that I just accept what they send.
Re: [RDA-L] Cost of Retrospective Conversion for Legacy Data (Was RDA Toolkit Price Change)
Some basic conversion is being done by vendors, though, of course, adding relationship designators isn't an easily automated process. Just as an example, here is the announcement from our authorities vendor MARCIVE. I've left in the contact and marketing information just in case anyone is interested. Jenifer MARCIVE RDA Conversion Service Underway September 9, 2013 Since January 2013, MARCIVE has begun offering standard RDA Conversion (RDACS) as a part of both backfile and ongoing authorities processing at no additional cost, and a number of libraries have come on board. These libraries chose to have RDACS performed as a part of their authorities projects for different reasons. For example, the Univ. of Houston did it as a part of a migration project. For more information see the presentation that Richard Guajardo gave on this at the ALA Annual Conference at http://home.marcive.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/ALA2013-RDA-Guajardo-Final.ppt. We’ve performed this processing on a variety of libraries with different integrated library systems. If you are a current customer of our Overnight Authorities Service, you can request that we turn on RDACS for free beginning with the next file you send to us. Here are the instructions: Send an email to dthom...@marcive.com and include MARCIVE ID code or codes to be updated Full name of your library Your name and email address State “Perform full RDACS processing for OA” Provide your library’s organizational code from the MARC Code List for Organizations Choose an option for your General Material Designation (GMD): “Retain GMD in 245 $h” “Delete GMD from 245.” “Copy GMD to 500 note.” Does your system still require the GMD (at least for now)? We can create one where lacking for a one-time nominal fee. Want more information on what is included in RDACS? Start with this brief presentation at http://home.marcive.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/ALA2013-RDA-July.ppt Or contact a Marketing Representative at 800-531-7678 with any questions you have. We speak RDA! ALA Midwinter 201 Jenifer K. Marquardt Asst. Head of Cataloging Authorities Librarian University of Georgia Athens, GA 30602-1641 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] on behalf of Julie Moore [julie.renee.mo...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 12:01 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: [RDA-L] Cost of Retrospective Conversion for Legacy Data (Was RDA Toolkit Price Change) James Weinheimer wrote: But if we are to make all of these relators and relationships useful for the public, the simple undeniable fact is: incredible retrospective conversions will have to be done and I have never heard of estimates of how much those will cost. The RDA subscriptions are peanuts by comparison. Was any of that discussed during the decision making for RDA? Maybe it wasn't discussed then, but it sure will be in the future! You can only ignore it for so long. So let's talk about it! I'm curious about this, too! Has this been considered? All I have ever heard was that RDA records would work fine with other legacy records in our catalogs. Julie Moore -- Julie Renee Moore Head of Cataloging California State University, Fresno julie.renee.mo...@gmail.commailto:julie.renee.mo...@gmail.com 559-278-5813 “Those who bring sunshine to the lives of others cannot keep it from themselves.” ... James Matthew Barrie
