RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
Could someone send me the URL to the original article off line. I have a friend in the NC Highway Patrol who is interested and is questioning whether this really happened. Please send to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Fred -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark A. Holman Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 9:50 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas back in 1976 I was at a ham swap and this dude had a old speed meter like D'Arvsonal kind that was older than dirt ! we plugged it in and we watched the meter bounc between speeds only this dud wanted some illegal stuff to trade, I offered him cash for it I said I don't smoke Dope and I am offering cash deal never went thru though, maybe an undercover cop maybe ?? he even drove away in a Blue unmarked cop car had no ids on it . makes you wonder. - Original Message - From: Jeff DePolo WN3A [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 2:31 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas K-55's on X band are still very much in use in New Jersey, which, at one time (maybe still) had the highest per-capita number of radar units in service. NJ state law still requires X band radar for the State Police! They're still using most of the units that they bought when the national 55 speed limit was enacted, including the early-version K-55's with the square antenna. I used to have a KR-10SP in a Volvo 4-door sedan, but was never accused of impersonating a police officer...I wonder why? :-) --- Jeff Jeff DePolo WN3A - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Broadcast and Communications Consultant -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.1/51 - Release Date: 7/18/2005 Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] New to GMRS Repeaters
The 1st thing is buy a repeater that is FCC type accepted I have 3 of the Kenwood TKR-850 ver, two's on GMRS and they work very well. Some of the things you can do on Ham radio for a repeater you can not do on GMRS. Also make sure you get a GMRS ticket. Good luck! 73 Russ, Ham, W3CH. GMRS, WPYK-254. - Original Message - From: ncamilli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 9:48 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] New to GMRS Repeaters Hi everyone. I am new to GMRS Repeaters and I was wondering what is needed to setup a basic repeater for a beginner. Also, about how much would it cost, what parts are needed, and where can I purchase them. Thanks in advance. -- Nick Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] VHF into aircraft
Well, I have not heard anything from the FAA, but I can still see the spurs on the SA, not real bad. But it still seems that I am riding along the 132.950 at least on my radio, but I get a few miles from the house and nothing. I'm still using the FT736R as a transmitter. I ordered xtals from Jan and it was off by 20 KC's, so it has to go back. How about on your end. Mathew Dave VanHorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How's it going up there? YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Repeater-Builder" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[Repeater-Builder] zetron 37
hi does anybody have a manual for the zetron 37 or any details thanks michael; Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] REQ: Vertex VXR5000 Tuneup info
At 03:42 PM 7/20/05, you wrote: Hi, I would like to get some information on how to tune up a VXR5000 UHF repeater. Can someone please email me or reply to the group on how to setup/tuneup one of these units. Thanx Ken There's some info at www.repeater-builder.com on the Yaesu / Vertex page, including info on how to order manuals. Mike WA6ILQ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] RE: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
At 06:12 AM 7/21/2005, you wrote: Could someone send me the URL to the original article off line. I have a friend in the NC Highway Patrol who is interested and is questioning whether this really happened. Please send to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Fred Hi, Fred (and all) It happened. I was in court yesterday to report on the story, and the hearing was continued until Sept. 14. The updated story is on this web page: http://www.jars.net/wb4vqp.htm Perhaps you could ask your friend in the NCHP to contact me for an on- or off-the-record comment? 73, Gary KN4AQ editor, SERA Repeater Journal Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Anybody have the ability to scan microfiche?
The 128 chan phoenix PDF was made from a microfiche image. I couldn't find a paper copy, so I took the microfiche to the local library and printed the pages out. I then sent those pages to a ham that needed the manual, and they in turn scanned the pages and made a pdf file. It seems like the long way, but the results were not as bad as I expected. Some text was washed out and difficult to read, but overall it is fine. Scanning a paper document will of course provide better results, but if a hard copy cannot be found, then this is a good alternative. You can see this example at: http://www.repeater-builder.com/ge/lbi-library/lbi-31393b.pdf Duane Hall AB8QU Not yet, and several comments (both on the list and in private email) expressed concerns about the quality of the resulting scan from the microfiche. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] VHF into aircraft
Mathew, As far as FAA your repeater with antenna on the ground can easily be heard from an aircraft at even 2000 ft. We try to get repeaters high to be able to work low mobiles. We should start insisting on the mobiles being high, hi. Never use JAN crystals in my option. Have tried them and almost all gave problems...from not working to way off freq to being way off freq 6 months down the road to dying 6 months out. I spend the extra money and save money by using International or Bomar. International is in some kind of screwed up situation, think due to them buying out Sentry, with 6 + weeks delievery. Bomar cost more, but both make an excellent crystal. For a pair of crystals including shipping Bomar $60, International $47, Jan $200 after the overhead. Bomar does have a $50 min. 73, ron, n9ee/r YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Repeater-Builder" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [Repeater-Builder] New to GMRS Repeaters
Nick, You need to get a license, $75 for 5 years. Also download part 95, regs for GMRS, from www.fcc.gov; about 20-30 pages. They follow pretty much the old CB rules. Base stations are restricted to 20 ft above structure and 25 watts ERP, but repeater can go as high as they like and run 50 watts out of the tx, not ERP. A repeater will require a duplexed receiver/transmitte, antenna and normally a duplexer. I don't like doing much with a repeater unless it is atleast 100 ft above ground and this is low, but can do something. As to cost...how much you got, hi. From do it yourself $500-$1000. Want all new ready to program and plug in and install $2500-$3000 not including tower or building, radio equip only. Can spend more if you like. 73, ron, n9ee/r Ron Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ron is the owner of Micro Computer Concepts, a manufacture of repeaters and repeater controllers since 1988. You may see our products at http://home.earthlink.net/~mccrpt or call at 727-376-6575. Contact me at 8849 Gum Tree Ave, New Port Richey, FL 34653 USA Owner of the 146.64 repeater, the highest repeater, 1175 ft HAAT, in the Tampa Bay area, Florida. The repeater also has ECHOLINK, node 79540. Pasco County Skywarn Coordinator Skywarn meets on 146.64 each Wednesday at 8 PM. Skywarn nets are activated on 146.64 when the National Weather Service broadcast a weather alert. see our web page at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pascoskywarn/ All are welcome. [Original Message] From: ncamilli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/20/2005 10:09:52 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] New to GMRS Repeaters Hi everyone. I am new to GMRS Repeaters and I was wondering what is needed to setup a basic repeater for a beginner. Also, about how much would it cost, what parts are needed, and where can I purchase them. Thanks in advance. -- Nick Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MOTOROLA MICOR receiver VHF
Anthony, Does sound like intermod. Micor has tight front end, but if problem is with intermod the undesired signal could end up near or on your freq. Would be nice to be able to disconnect antenna when the problem occurs to see if from external or internal to Micor. Wonder if you are using preamp before the Micor??? 73, ron, n9ee/r Ron Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ron is the owner of Micro Computer Concepts, a manufacture of repeaters and repeater controllers since 1988. You may see our products at http://home.earthlink.net/~mccrpt or call at 727-376-6575. Contact me at 8849 Gum Tree Ave, New Port Richey, FL 34653 USA Owner of the 146.64 repeater, the highest repeater, 1175 ft HAAT, in the Tampa Bay area, Florida. The repeater also has ECHOLINK, node 79540. Pasco County Skywarn Coordinator Skywarn meets on 146.64 each Wednesday at 8 PM. Skywarn nets are activated on 146.64 when the National Weather Service broadcast a weather alert. see our web page at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pascoskywarn/ All are welcome. [Original Message] From: ANTHONY [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/20/2005 9:01:04 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MOTOROLA MICOR receiver VHF Are already have a quiet receiver and very good Sensitivity MOTOROLA MICOR radio VHF but occasionally have problem with RF getting back in to receiver ended only happen at night and not every night when they're GOOD conditions repeater RF feedback gets in The receiver the antenna is 175 feet on tower SWR is 1.2 I was thinking taken the receiver out put in another RF shielded box with use Feed Thru Through Capacitors to choke the RF feedback from getting in?? ANTHONY PURSLEY W4NCR anybody tried this before?? Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] New to GMRS Repeaters
It's up to $80 now I see. Ron Wright wrote: Nick, You need to get a license, $75 for 5 years. Also download part 95, regs for GMRS, from www.fcc.gov; about 20-30 pages. They follow pretty much the old CB rules. Base stations are restricted to 20 ft above structure and 25 watts ERP, but repeater can go as high as they like and run 50 watts out of the tx, not ERP. A repeater will require a duplexed receiver/transmitte, antenna and normally a duplexer. I don't like doing much with a repeater unless it is atleast 100 ft above ground and this is low, but can do something. As to cost...how much you got, hi. From do it yourself $500-$1000. Want all new ready to program and plug in and install $2500-$3000 not including tower or building, radio equip only. Can spend more if you like. 73, ron, n9ee/r Ron Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ron is the owner of Micro Computer Concepts, a manufacture of repeaters and repeater controllers since 1988. You may see our products at http://home.earthlink.net/~mccrpt or call at 727-376-6575. Contact me at 8849 Gum Tree Ave, New Port Richey, FL 34653 USA Owner of the 146.64 repeater, the highest repeater, 1175 ft HAAT, in the Tampa Bay area, Florida. The repeater also has ECHOLINK, node 79540. Pasco County Skywarn Coordinator Skywarn meets on 146.64 each Wednesday at 8 PM. Skywarn nets are activated on 146.64 when the National Weather Service broadcast a weather alert. see our web page at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pascoskywarn/ All are welcome. [Original Message] From: ncamilli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/20/2005 10:09:52 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] New to GMRS Repeaters Hi everyone. I am new to GMRS Repeaters and I was wondering what is needed to setup a basic repeater for a beginner. Also, about how much would it cost, what parts are needed, and where can I purchase them. Thanks in advance. -- Nick Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Still after
Hi Iam still after a 6mtr heliax duplexer. Iam in Liverpool UK So if any can or knows somebody who could make one, please email me direct. I have been told that the heliax ones can be troublesome but I cant afford 1200 UKP for a commercialy made one. 73 Steve M1SWB YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Repeater-Builder" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [Repeater-Builder] crystals
Best places I ran accross that are still making crystals are International, 800-725-1426, in OK and Bomar, 800-526-3935. For a pair including shipping International $47 taking about 6 weeks, Bomar $60 with true 2 weeks. Think both are about the same and make a very good crystal and are well worth the extra money. Please don't use JAN, hi. Just have to give them radio, freqs and payment. This is just the crystals for you to install in ICOMs. Both have ICOM service, but cost much more. 73, ron, n9ee/r Ron Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ron is the owner of Micro Computer Concepts, a manufacture of repeaters and repeater controllers since 1988. You may see our products at http://home.earthlink.net/~mccrpt or call at 727-376-6575. Contact me at 8849 Gum Tree Ave, New Port Richey, FL 34653 USA Owner of the 146.64 repeater, the highest repeater, 1175 ft HAAT, in the Tampa Bay area, Florida. The repeater also has ECHOLINK, node 79540. Pasco County Skywarn Coordinator Skywarn meets on 146.64 each Wednesday at 8 PM. Skywarn nets are activated on 146.64 when the National Weather Service broadcast a weather alert. see our web page at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pascoskywarn/ All are welcome. [Original Message] From: gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/20/2005 8:41:57 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] crystals Where can I find 6 meters Crystals for a GE Master II . Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] crystals
I have never had a problem with JAN or Bomar, and International is good too, but expensive. Paul, kb9wlc --- Ron Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Best places I ran accross that are still making crystals are International, 800-725-1426, in OK and Bomar, 800-526-3935. For a pair including shipping International $47 taking about 6 weeks, Bomar $60 with true 2 weeks. Think both are about the same and make a very good crystal and are well worth the extra money. Please don't use JAN, hi. Just have to give them radio, freqs and payment. This is just the crystals for you to install in ICOMs. Both have ICOM service, but cost much more. 73, ron, n9ee/r Ron Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ron is the owner of Micro Computer Concepts, a manufacture of repeaters and repeater controllers since 1988. You may see our products at http://home.earthlink.net/~mccrpt or call at 727-376-6575. Contact me at 8849 Gum Tree Ave, New Port Richey, FL 34653 USA Owner of the 146.64 repeater, the highest repeater, 1175 ft HAAT, in the Tampa Bay area, Florida. The repeater also has ECHOLINK, node 79540. Pasco County Skywarn Coordinator Skywarn meets on 146.64 each Wednesday at 8 PM. Skywarn nets are activated on 146.64 when the National Weather Service broadcast a weather alert. see our web page at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pascoskywarn/ All are welcome. [Original Message] From: gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/20/2005 8:41:57 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] crystals Where can I find 6 meters Crystals for a GE Master II . Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] crystals
I thought Bomar only charged $10.00 per xtal so long as you don't need them right away. I've used Jan for years, this is the first xtal that I have had a problem with. Mathew YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Repeater-Builder" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[Repeater-Builder] Lightning hit - LF: Mastr II 25 Watt PA
Hi Guys: During an intense lightning storm this past Saturday, my 100 watt Mastr II UHF repeater (real repeater, not a mobile) blew the final transistor (4242P3) on the 25 watt board. Either looking for a replacement transistor, or a complete board. Thanks, Tedd Doda, VE3TJD Lazer Audio and Electronics Baden, Ontario, Canada Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] VHF into aircraft
At 12:52 AM 7/21/2005, Mathew Quaife wrote: Well, I have not heard anything from the FAA, but I can still see the spurs on the SA, not real bad. But it still seems that I am riding along the 132.950 at least on my radio, but I get a few miles from the house and nothing. I'm still using the FT736R as a transmitter. I ordered xtals from Jan and it was off by 20 KC's, so it has to go back. How about on your end. ARRGHHH!! If you like, you can send that exciter down here, and I'll fix it. The problem seems to be in one of the multiplier stages, and I suspect that just replacing the transistor will get it. I'm interested to to it because our existing 2M transmitter is the same board, so I could some day be looking at the same problem. Another thing you can try is a stub filter. But, if it's doing the broadband comb thing that we saw, that will only take out part of the problem. My end: Well, we went out to look at our prospective site yesterday, and everything looks good, except that when I ran the numbers on all the receivers and transmitters, there is a situation.. If two of their 800 MHz transmitters are on, and our 2M transmitter, then it could be mixed by something external, and get into another receiver they have near 150 MHz. :( I would rather have had a harmonic problem, because THAT, I can filter. This would be a real signal created external to the repeater system, and that gets very messy.. So, back to looking for sites I think. Now the one thing that might save this, is that soon, they will be changing their 800 MHz frequencies. But, it might also get worse. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] VHF into aircraft
I spend the extra money and save money by using International or Bomar. International is in some kind of screwed up situation, think due to them buying out Sentry, with 6 + weeks delievery. Bomar cost more, but both make an excellent crystal. I've had good results from West, in canada. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Repeater-Builder" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Class-A mobile radios?
Probably not the band you're looking for... but the ACSB 220 band trunking repeaters are all linear amplifiers. LMR and Securicor... I've been able to make many of the popular fet amplifiers linear and the converse. Many of the typical MRF device made amplifiers can be modified to operate linear. Class A will be a serious heat generator. I have a Krell 50 watt stereo class A amp here in the room and it's like having a 300 watt heater going all the time. In winter it's nice... in summer it sleeps while the class AB amplifier plays. skipp Kris Kirby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there any old mobile radios, or repeaters that have Class-A finals in them? I've been concocting the strange idea, and need to find a pair of cheap Class-A amps to test it out. -- Kris Kirby [EMAIL PROTECTED] BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU! This message brought to you by the US Department of Homeland Security Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] VHF into aircraft
I'm starting to think it is either something coming in or the Vocom Amp that is the culprit, but something is funny. I know my Yaesu FT7736R is a very clean transmitter, and at two watts output, really hard for it to send spurs out. I'm thinking it might be something that is coming in on the receiever at the same time the transmitter is transmitting. I am going to feed the repeater into a dummy load today and see if the spurs are still there. If they are not, then I can only believe something is getting in with the receiver, or there is a inbalance in the antenna system that is causing the problem. There was indeed a problem with the Maggorie transmitter, but don't think it was the whole problem. I have used Jan xtals for many of years, and this is the first one the was off. They all have their problems. I bought one from International that was put in the wrong casing, they did not want to fix the problem, so I had to solder it to a old large xtal caseing. Oh well, I'm sure they will fix the problem for me. Mathew Ron Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mathew, As far as FAA your repeater with antenna on the ground can easily be heard from an aircraft at even 2000 ft. We try to get repeaters high to be able to work low mobiles. We should start insisting on the mobiles being high, hi. Never use JAN crystals in my option. Have tried them and almost all gave problems...from not working to way off freq to being way off freq 6 months down the road to dying 6 months out. I spend the extra money and save money by using International or Bomar. International is in some kind of screwed up situation, think due to them buying out Sentry, with 6 + weeks delievery. Bomar cost more, but both make an excellent crystal. For a pair of crystals including shipping Bomar $60, International $47, Jan $200 after the overhead. Bomar does have a $50 min. 73, ron, n9ee/r__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Repeater-Builder" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Class-A mobile radios?
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005, skipp025 wrote: Probably not the band you're looking for... but the ACSB 220 band trunking repeaters are all linear amplifiers. LMR and Securicor... Fun. Band is pretty much unimportant. Generally sticking to VHF and up for this weird little idea of mine. I've been able to make many of the popular fet amplifiers linear and the converse. Many of the typical MRF device made amplifiers can be modified to operate linear. Any tips, details, or web pages? Class A will be a serious heat generator. I have a Krell 50 watt stereo class A amp here in the room and it's like having a 300 watt heater going all the time. In winter it's nice... in summer it sleeps while the class AB amplifier plays. For this, I really only need details for linear amplifiers, A, AB, ABx, B are fine. I'd love to find a way to convert a Motrola Mitrek PA into a linear amp just as well. That's the only really sticking point -- it's got to be linear from one end to the other. -- Kris Kirby [EMAIL PROTECTED] BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU! This message brought to you by the US Department of Homeland Security Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] VHF into aircraft
Mathew, We had issues with the difference of 2 cell freqs mixing with our output, and landing directly on our input. When you un-keyed, it would chase it's own tail something fierce. Many times you could actually hear the cell conversation very clearly, and they were not always "G-rated" conversations!! Running a split tone system helped a bunch. Everytime the cell-co's add something to the tower, we have trouble. Cingular in particular... seems we were left out of their intermod studies.. Lately we have been getting the local sherriff's tactical frequency on the second VHF machine. It is located on a water tank adjacent to the main site... Not cool when the sherriff calls and wants to know why we are re-broadcasting his tac-freq... We have a close relationship with the SO, and the 911 center.. so they monitor our traffic at the dispatch center. This probably won't help your situation... but it demonstrates how something can wind-up on your inputdue tono fault of your own. Good luck in finding the answer.. Mike K5JMP -Original Message-From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Mathew QuaifeSent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 12:31 PMTo: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] VHF into aircraft I'm starting to think it is either something coming in or the Vocom Amp that is the culprit, but something is funny. I know my Yaesu FT7736R is a very clean transmitter, and at two watts output, really hard for it to send spurs out. I'm thinking it might be something that is coming in on the receiever at the same time the transmitter is transmitting. I am going to feed the repeater into a dummy load today and see if the spurs are still there. If they are not, then I can only believe something is getting in with the receiver, or there is a inbalance in the antenna system that is causing the problem. There was indeed a problem with the Maggorie transmitter, but don't think it was the whole problem. I have used Jan xtals for many of years, and this is the first one the was off. They all have their problems. I bought one from International that was put in the wrong casing, they did not want to fix the problem, so I had to solder it to a old large xtal caseing. Oh well, I'm sure they will fix the problem for me. Mathew Ron Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mathew, As far as FAA your repeater with antenna on the ground can easily be heard from an aircraft at even 2000 ft. We try to get repeaters high to be able to work low mobiles. We should start insisting on the mobiles being high, hi. Never use JAN crystals in my option. Have tried them and almost all gave problems...from not working to way off freq to being way off freq 6 months down the road to dying 6 months out. I spend the extra money and save money by using International or Bomar. International is in some kind of screwed up situation, think due to them buying out Sentry, with 6 + weeks delievery. Bomar cost more, but both make an excellent crystal. For a pair of crystals including shipping Bomar $60, International $47, Jan $200 after the overhead. Bomar does have a $50 min. 73, ron, n9ee/r __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Repeater-Builder" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] VHF into aircraft
At 11:30 AM 7/21/2005, Mathew Quaife wrote: I'm starting to think it is either something coming in or the Vocom Amp that is the culprit, but something is funny. I know my Yaesu FT7736R is a very clean transmitter, and at two watts output, really hard for it to send spurs out. Check it directly. Run the sampler in line to a dummy load, and then into your amp. Thing is, we were getting all that mess on the exciter output. It has NO idea what's coming in on the RX, and there's no way that whatever the RX was doing would cause that mess of spurs up and down the band. It was also power supply variable. Now the amp COULD be pushing something back twoard the exciter, which would make it look like a bad exciter. I can't think what external source could give you problems. (For the others, Matt is way out in the sticks in northern indiana. Few emitters of any consequence within a long way) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Use a band pass filter between pass-reject duplexer and antenna?
How common is it to use a band pass filter ahead of a pass-reject duplexer, i.e., between the duplexer and feed line to antenna. Any reason for adding a band pass filter there on antenna input to duplexer vs. between the preamp pre selector cavities receiver port of duplexer. Please respond to w7aor @narri.org Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Use a band pass filter between pass-reject duplexer and antenna?
At 08:17 PM 7/21/2005 -, you wrote: How common is it to use a band pass filter ahead of a pass-reject duplexer, i.e., between the duplexer and feed line to antenna. Any reason for adding a band pass filter there on antenna input to duplexer vs. between the preamp pre selector cavities receiver port of duplexer. ---There are several good reasons to add an additional band pass filter, your example being one of 'em. Bottom line is that if your duplexer doesn't provide enough BP capability, it is perfectly acceptable to add additional filters/cavities. Ken -- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of state-of-the-art repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.ah6le.net/arcom/index.html We offer complete Kenwood TKR repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] crystals
Jan has been very troublesome in the 25+ years I have been a ham, you hear of a lot of complaints. Bomar gave me a couple of bum crystals and then a few that drifted back in the days 2M crystal radios. I used them since they were a few towns away from me in NJ but I quit using them. In the past 5 years I have used West Crystal in Ontario 4 times and they gave me EXCELLENT FAST!!! service. I sent the element in and back came a perfect element for several Mastr II's. Since West is over the border PLEASE follow this suggestion...do not use UPS use the Postal Service it is faster cheaper and you have less hassles. Mark on the form, Amateur Radio Parts for Service and you should have no trouble. I did not do that one time and West Crystal got charged by UPS all sorts of Import and Custom fees. The other 3 times when I used the Post Office we had no problems at all. Rich -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Paul Guello Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 9:53 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] crystals I have never had a problem with JAN or Bomar, and International is good too, but expensive. Paul, kb9wlc --- Ron Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Best places I ran accross that are still making crystals are International, 800-725-1426, in OK and Bomar, 800-526-3935. For a pair including shipping International $47 taking about 6 weeks, Bomar $60 with true 2 weeks. Think both are about the same and make a very good crystal and are well worth the extra money. Please don't use JAN, hi. Just have to give them radio, freqs and payment. This is just the crystals for you to install in ICOMs. Both have ICOM service, but cost much more. 73, ron, n9ee/r Ron Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ron is the owner of Micro Computer Concepts, a manufacture of repeaters and repeater controllers since 1988. You may see our products at http://home.earthlink.net/~mccrpt or call at 727-376-6575. Contact me at 8849 Gum Tree Ave, New Port Richey, FL 34653 USA Owner of the 146.64 repeater, the highest repeater, 1175 ft HAAT, in the Tampa Bay area, Florida. The repeater also has ECHOLINK, node 79540. Pasco County Skywarn Coordinator Skywarn meets on 146.64 each Wednesday at 8 PM. Skywarn nets are activated on 146.64 when the National Weather Service broadcast a weather alert. see our web page at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pascoskywarn/ All are welcome. [Original Message] From: gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/20/2005 8:41:57 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] crystals Where can I find 6 meters Crystals for a GE Master II . Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] crystals
Sorry my error they are not in Ontario but in Kelowna, BC brain spaz there. Either way a fine friendly bunch of people. Rich -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rich Garcia Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 4:53 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] crystals Jan has been very troublesome in the 25+ years I have been a ham, you hear of a lot of complaints. Bomar gave me a couple of bum crystals and then a few that drifted back in the days 2M crystal radios. I used them since they were a few towns away from me in NJ but I quit using them. In the past 5 years I have used West Crystal in Ontario 4 times and they gave me EXCELLENT FAST!!! service. I sent the element in and back came a perfect element for several Mastr II's. Since West is over the border PLEASE follow this suggestion...do not use UPS use the Postal Service it is faster cheaper and you have less hassles. Mark on the form, Amateur Radio Parts for Service and you should have no trouble. I did not do that one time and West Crystal got charged by UPS all sorts of Import and Custom fees. The other 3 times when I used the Post Office we had no problems at all. Rich -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Paul Guello Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 9:53 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] crystals I have never had a problem with JAN or Bomar, and International is good too, but expensive. Paul, kb9wlc --- Ron Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Best places I ran accross that are still making crystals are International, 800-725-1426, in OK and Bomar, 800-526-3935. For a pair including shipping International $47 taking about 6 weeks, Bomar $60 with true 2 weeks. Think both are about the same and make a very good crystal and are well worth the extra money. Please don't use JAN, hi. Just have to give them radio, freqs and payment. This is just the crystals for you to install in ICOMs. Both have ICOM service, but cost much more. 73, ron, n9ee/r Ron Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ron is the owner of Micro Computer Concepts, a manufacture of repeaters and repeater controllers since 1988. You may see our products at http://home.earthlink.net/~mccrpt or call at 727-376-6575. Contact me at 8849 Gum Tree Ave, New Port Richey, FL 34653 USA Owner of the 146.64 repeater, the highest repeater, 1175 ft HAAT, in the Tampa Bay area, Florida. The repeater also has ECHOLINK, node 79540. Pasco County Skywarn Coordinator Skywarn meets on 146.64 each Wednesday at 8 PM. Skywarn nets are activated on 146.64 when the National Weather Service broadcast a weather alert. see our web page at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pascoskywarn/ All are welcome. [Original Message] From: gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/20/2005 8:41:57 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] crystals Where can I find 6 meters Crystals for a GE Master II . Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Lightning hit - LF: Mastr II 25 Watt PA
It should work. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Tedd Doda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: GE Users Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Repeater Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Lightning hit - LF: Mastr II 25 Watt PA On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:32:46 -0400 (EDT), Tedd Doda wrote: Either looking for a replacement transistor, or a complete board. OKthis was cool. I saw an Ebay auction for a Mastr II UHF PA, and noticed it was exactly the same as my board EXCEPT it had the 25 watt transistor missing. He claims it was a 20 watt board. So it hit me. what would happen if I tapped my 25 watt board (GE calls it a 40 watt PA) just after the driver, or at the 20 watt stage, and fed that into the 4 transistor 100 watt board? How does 55 watts sound, with no spurs and runs very cool. It'll be back on the air tonight :) BTW, I was running the 100 watt PA at only 60 watts anyway, hi! Tedd Doda, VE3TJD Lazer Audio and Electronics Baden, Ontario, Canada Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: crystals
Funny how all the crystal stories work out. I used to buy mostly Jan, but they couldn't seem to make a low cost UHF Crystal that didn't drift with moderate temp changes. Crystek is/was a commercial part of Jan, but I've had about the same results as using the straight Jan products. For my HF VHF crystal requirements, Jan was number one for some years... I used and still use ICM for some crystals, but they are very expensive. I've only had one bum crystal from ICM, which they offered to replace. I currently buy mostly Bomar, the cost is fair and I've not yet has a bum UHF or VHF crystal after the 300 plus purchased in the last few years. Most companies will re-rock a commercial channel element. I tend to buy the bare crystal and do it myself. So far, so good... I've not heard much good about West Crystals... their problems seem to be mostly dealing with US/Canadian Customs and shipping costs. The product might be ok, but the shipping adventure has been a nightmare for more that one member of this group. cheers, skipp Rich Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jan has been very troublesome in the 25+ years I have been a ham, you hear of a lot of complaints. Bomar gave me a couple of bum crystals and then a few that drifted back in the days 2M crystal radios. I used them since they were a few towns away from me in NJ but I quit using them. In the past 5 years I have used West Crystal in Ontario 4 times and they gave me EXCELLENT FAST!!! service. I sent the element in and back came a perfect element for several Mastr II's. Since West is over the border PLEASE follow this suggestion... do not use UPS use the Postal Service it is faster cheaper and you have less hassles. Mark on the form, Amateur Radio Parts for Service and you should have no trouble. I did not do that one time and West Crystal got charged by UPS all sorts of Import and Custom fees. The other 3 times when I used the Post Office we had no problems at all. Rich Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
Well I went to the website posted and saw a picture of jerry's car. I would like jerry to explain why he has a Traffic Radar gun sitting on his dash, (zoom in on the dash) I think that might have been a factor in his getting arrested. Being a Ham and also a police officer I see allot of hams that are stepping over the line, from light bars to sirens, in all honesty I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often. Eric Moeller Kc5Fog Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
Did you also note what looked to me to be a flashing lite on the left rear deck behind the deck speaker? I looked for one on the driver's side, but couldn't positively make out that there was a light there. Looks to me like Jerry is in deep doo doo... Mike Eric wrote: Well I went to the website posted and saw a picture of jerry's car. I would like jerry to explain why he has a Traffic Radar gun sitting on his dash, (zoom in on the dash) I think that might have been a factor in his getting arrested. Being a Ham and also a police officer I see allot of hams that are stepping over the line, from light bars to sirens, in all honesty I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often. Eric Moeller Kc5Fog Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
Having a radar unit is perfectly legal. Fred -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 8:43 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas Well I went to the website posted and saw a picture of jerry's car. I would like jerry to explain why he has a Traffic Radar gun sitting on his dash, (zoom in on the dash) I think that might have been a factor in his getting arrested. Being a Ham and also a police officer I see allot of hams that are stepping over the line, from light bars to sirens, in all honesty I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often. Eric Moeller Kc5Fog Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
But it also tends to get one arrested.. So, unless you're a cop, or are not wishing to invite trouble, why have one? Mike Fred Fitte wrote: Having a radar unit is perfectly legal. Fred -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 8:43 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas Well I went to the website posted and saw a picture of jerry's car. I would like jerry to explain why he has a Traffic Radar gun sitting on his dash, (zoom in on the dash) I think that might have been a factor in his getting arrested. Being a Ham and also a police officer I see allot of hams that are stepping over the line, from light bars to sirens, in all honesty I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often. Eric Moeller Kc5Fog Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Use a band pass filter between pass-reject duplexer and antenna?
I'm responding to you directly, as well as to the list, because your question is a very good one that should be answered publicly. Without much fear of contradiction, I will state that a bandpass/bandreject duplexer has precious little bandpass effect. Sure, when you look at a response plot that covers 10 MHz, it may look very selective, but in reality the bandpass action is rather subtle. A whole lot of RF can blow through a Bp/Br duplexer in either direction, but MOST of the time this deficiency doesn't cause a problem. I would not put a BP cavity between the duplexer and the antenna, simply because such a cavity would diminish the function of the duplexer. Now, if you want to put a preamp between the duplexer and the receiver, a BP cavity tuned to the receive frequency is a very good idea. This BP filter should follow the duplexer and precede the preamp. Two 8 cavities with 1.0 dB IL work well. If you have a solid-state PA that has significant sideband noise, you might consider placing a BP filter between the PA and the duplexer. If you are using a ferrite isolator to protect the PA, a BP cavity filter between the isolator and the duplexer can take the place of a 2nd-harmonic notch filter or low-pass filter. At a crowded commercial site, you may be required to have a BP cavity on the TX side. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY w7aor wrote: How common is it to use a band pass filter ahead of a pass-reject duplexer, i.e., between the duplexer and feed line to antenna. Any reason for adding a band pass filter there on antenna input to duplexer vs. between the preamp pre selector cavities receiver port of duplexer. Please respond to w7aor @narri.org Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
At 08:45 PM 7/21/2005 -0400, you wrote: Did you also note what looked to me to be a flashing lite on the left rear deck behind the deck speaker? ---Looks like a set of wig-wags to me... Ken -- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of state-of-the-art repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.ah6le.net/arcom/index.html We offer complete Kenwood TKR repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
I thought that police radar was licensed under Part 90... Jeff At 08:46 PM 7/21/2005, you wrote: Having a radar unit is perfectly legal. Fred -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 8:43 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas Well I went to the website posted and saw a picture of jerry's car. I would like jerry to explain why he has a Traffic Radar gun sitting on his dash, (zoom in on the dash) I think that might have been a factor in his getting arrested. Being a Ham and also a police officer I see allot of hams that are stepping over the line, from light bars to sirens, in all honesty I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often. Eric Moeller Kc5Fog Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
Fred Fitte wrote: Having a radar unit is perfectly legal. But using it on the highway can get you in trouble. I know someone who almost got boxed up by a group of 18 wheelers when they figured out the signal lighting up their radar detectors was coming from a personal vehicle. A lot of these old radars are showing up at hamfest and I doubt very many are being bought for amateur radio projects. For those hams who say their X band radar has been tuned down into the amateur band from 10.525 GHz, I wonder how they send their required ID every 10 minutes. Also I wonder if K band radar at 24.150 GHz fall under FCC Part15 regulations. The power the gunn oscillator puts out may be at Part15 level into an isotropic antenna but what about when connected to a lens antenna? There was a time when each department had to have a FCC license for their radar units. Later their units were covered by their public safety radio license. Perhaps this has changed also. Dex Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005, Jeff Otterson wrote: I thought that police radar was licensed under Part 90... It's been said before that Jerry runs a communications shop; don't most shops own a repeater or three and have Part 90 license? Perhaps he was out for a test drive that day to test the radar unit under his GROL -- Kris Kirby [EMAIL PROTECTED] BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU! This message brought to you by the US Department of Homeland Security Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Still after
Try a set of coffee can duplexers. 20 bucks of plumbing hardware and bingo Kevin King SCSA BSCIS ARS KC6OVD GMRS KAG0378 EIEIO 2722 Acworth Georgia -Original Message-From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of SteveSent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 9:40 AMTo: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSubject: [Repeater-Builder] Still after Hi Iam still after a 6mtr heliax duplexer. Iam in Liverpool UK So if any can or knows somebody who could make one, please email me direct. I have been told that the heliax ones can be troublesome but I cant afford 1200 UKP for a commercialy made one. 73 Steve M1SWB YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Repeater-Builder" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] crystals
RichWest Crystal is not in Ontario...it is in British Columbia...some 3,000 miles to the west ! John VE3AMZ Waterloo Ontario. - Original Message - From: Rich Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 4:52 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] crystals Jan has been very troublesome in the 25+ years I have been a ham, you hear of a lot of complaints. Bomar gave me a couple of bum crystals and then a few that drifted back in the days 2M crystal radios. I used them since they were a few towns away from me in NJ but I quit using them. In the past 5 years I have used West Crystal in Ontario 4 times and they gave me EXCELLENT FAST!!! service. I sent the element in and back came a perfect element for several Mastr II's. Since West is over the border PLEASE follow this suggestion...do not use UPS use the Postal Service it is faster cheaper and you have less hassles. Mark on the form, Amateur Radio Parts for Service and you should have no trouble. I did not do that one time and West Crystal got charged by UPS all sorts of Import and Custom fees. The other 3 times when I used the Post Office we had no problems at all. Rich -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Paul Guello Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 9:53 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] crystals I have never had a problem with JAN or Bomar, and International is good too, but expensive. Paul, kb9wlc --- Ron Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Best places I ran accross that are still making crystals are International, 800-725-1426, in OK and Bomar, 800-526-3935. For a pair including shipping International $47 taking about 6 weeks, Bomar $60 with true 2 weeks. Think both are about the same and make a very good crystal and are well worth the extra money. Please don't use JAN, hi. Just have to give them radio, freqs and payment. This is just the crystals for you to install in ICOMs. Both have ICOM service, but cost much more. 73, ron, n9ee/r Ron Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ron is the owner of Micro Computer Concepts, a manufacture of repeaters and repeater controllers since 1988. You may see our products at http://home.earthlink.net/~mccrpt or call at 727-376-6575. Contact me at 8849 Gum Tree Ave, New Port Richey, FL 34653 USA Owner of the 146.64 repeater, the highest repeater, 1175 ft HAAT, in the Tampa Bay area, Florida. The repeater also has ECHOLINK, node 79540. Pasco County Skywarn Coordinator Skywarn meets on 146.64 each Wednesday at 8 PM. Skywarn nets are activated on 146.64 when the National Weather Service broadcast a weather alert. see our web page at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pascoskywarn/ All are welcome. [Original Message] From: gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/20/2005 8:41:57 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] crystals Where can I find 6 meters Crystals for a GE Master II . Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Use a band pass filter between pass-reject duplexer and antenna?
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Eric Lemmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Without much fear of contradiction, I will state that a bandpass/bandreject duplexer has precious little bandpass effect. Sure, when you look at a response plot that covers 10 MHz, it may look very selective, but in reality the bandpass action is rather subtle. A whole lot of RF can blow through a Bp/Br duplexer in either direction, but MOST of the time this deficiency doesn't cause a problem. OK y'all, stirring the selectivity pot a little, the logical conclusion then, is that a notch duplexer is not all that bad. At least not as bad as sometimes one would believe from reading some posts here from time to time. If a plain old simplex base station can work well without ANY selectivity between it and the antenna, one could conclude, maybe, that a notch duplexer isn't so bad after all. Like I said, just stirring :) Laryn K8TVZ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] (OT) Info Needed -- Fox Hunting on 215.mHz
Yes, you read it right -- I'd think there's enough commercial guys in here to nail this pretty quick. Kindly reply off list to n8bqn@ sbcglobal.net Needed: * - info /skiz for the Happy Flyer DF antenna gizmo, or similar * - suggestions for a CHEAP 215 rcvr, freq.agile to .001 mHz * - tech info on those 'alzheimer walk-away', or 'wildlife tracking' systems... 'connect the dots', stir gently, guess where this is headed g Looking to backup our pub.safety guys. TNX ~RSG~ ./. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
Or at least a wag! :-) Mike Ken Arck wrote: At 08:45 PM 7/21/2005 -0400, you wrote: Did you also note what looked to me to be a flashing lite on the left rear deck behind the deck speaker? ---Looks like a set of wig-wags to me... Ken -- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of state-of-the-art repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.ah6le.net/arcom/index.html We offer complete Kenwood TKR repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Use a band pass filter between pass-reject duplexer and antenna?
At 05:54 PM 7/21/2005 -0700, you wrote: I would not put a BP cavity between the duplexer and the antenna, simply because such a cavity would diminish the function of the duplexer. ---Gotta disagree with you here, Eric. Depending on the underlying problem, the addition of a single BP cavity can easily DRAMATICALLY improve the amount of isolation in a full duplex circuit. Maybe he's using a notch only type duplexer (very common I'm afraid, because of price). Maybe his xmtr makes lots of grass. I've run into this more times than I can count and a single BP cavity makes a world of difference. Preamp or no preamp in some cases. Ken -- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of state-of-the-art repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.ah6le.net/arcom/index.html We offer complete Kenwood TKR repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
Kris Kirby wrote: On Thu, 21 Jul 2005, Jeff Otterson wrote: I thought that police radar was licensed under Part 90... It's been said before that Jerry runs a communications shop; don't most shops own a repeater or three and have Part 90 license? Perhaps he was out for a test drive that day to test the radar unit under his GROL I'm calling BS on this one!! I was in the radio biz for 18 years. Most of that time, I drove a company car with at least two and sometimes 3 or 4 radio antennas on it. Of course, I didn't drive an old cop car, nor did I have a radar gun, or a set of wig wags on the rear deck. I never had ANY trouble with the law enforcement folks. But. I didn't act like a cop, walk like a cop, dress like a cop, or give any impression to anyone that I might be a policeman. I had radios full of law enforcement frequencies, both transmit and receive in my car. None of this stuff by itself will get you any trouble, I'm proof of it. It was said before, and I intend to agree, there must have been something else that has not come out that led the arresting officer to be misled into thinking this young man was acting in a manner that caused the officer to believe he was violating the state law. As for building a vehicle to be used by emergency or county officials in case of an emergency. I wonder who's authority he was building this vehicle under? If, in fact he was building it at the request of say a county judge, or a police chief, why hasn't this official stepped up and stopped the proceedings? It's just like the AREAS folks, they don't do anything until asked by an official, then they have the authority to act. Apparently this young man did not have the authority to act in a manner that he was. I wish him luck Mike Pugh KA4MKG Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
Or Part 97. As was stated before, we share one of the 'radar' bands with other services. Joe M. Jeff Otterson wrote: I thought that police radar was licensed under Part 90... Jeff At 08:46 PM 7/21/2005, you wrote: Having a radar unit is perfectly legal. Fred -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 8:43 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas Well I went to the website posted and saw a picture of jerry's car. I would like jerry to explain why he has a Traffic Radar gun sitting on his dash, (zoom in on the dash) I think that might have been a factor in his getting arrested. Being a Ham and also a police officer I see allot of hams that are stepping over the line, from light bars to sirens, in all honesty I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often. Eric Moeller Kc5Fog Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
I know lots of hams who have EmCom vehicles under their own authority. You don't need permission to put one together. You only need permission of a PS agency to put transmit in an authorized radio, but the radios never came into play here - just the antennas. I have about 7 antennas on my vehicle - 10M/33 MHz, 6M/46 MHz, VHF/2M, UHF/440, 800, scanner (another HD VHF quarter wave), Cellular, and AM/FM. All are authorized either under my ham license or a local emergency center, a biz license, or are RX only. (getting a bit off of this topic) I also have a lightbar and related lights (all authorized under PA law and registered with the PA State Police). But, I also have a badge to go with the rest of the package. My vehicle serves many purposes, obviously. (ham mobile, business mobile, and a few PS uses) The only real difference is that I'm not active above 1.2 GHz (YET), and my vehicle is not a Crown Vic. (and I don't drive it in NC) I wouldn't mind getting a Crown Vic, though, as I don't care to let my present vehicle idle at a scene for hours on end. It's not built for it - Crown Vics are (at least the P71s are). Joe M. Mike Pugh wrote: As for building a vehicle to be used by emergency or county officials in case of an emergency. I wonder who's authority he was building this vehicle under? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
mch wrote: I know lots of hams who have EmCom vehicles under their own authority. You don't need permission to put one together. You only need permission of a PS agency to put transmit in an authorized radio, but the radios never came into play here - just the antennas. I know some of the same crowd. The question remains though Why? Who benefits?? The agencies? Can you truly imagine a scenario where an incident commander turns to an assistant, and says, Better call Joe Schmo, he and his 1978 Crown Vic have the only remaining police radio left in the county, We'll all die unless he can get here and transmit for us? The only person who benefits is the guy that gets to drive around with 27 antennas on his vehicle thinking he looks cool to someone who doesn't know any better... Kinda like our guy with the Chevy that started all of this.. I have about 7 antennas on my vehicle - 10M/33 MHz, 6M/46 MHz, VHF/2M, UHF/440, 800, scanner (another HD VHF quarter wave), Cellular, and AM/FM. All are authorized either under my ham license or a local emergency center, a biz license, or are RX only. (getting a bit off of this topic) I also have a lightbar and related lights (all authorized under PA law and registered with the PA State Police). But, I also have a badge to go with the rest of the package. Now we're talking You actually are who you are representing to be... The guy with the Chevy apparently is not. That's why he got the ticket... This is not an apples to apples comparison... My vehicle serves many purposes, obviously. (ham mobile, business mobile, and a few PS uses) The only real difference is that I'm not active above 1.2 GHz (YET), and my vehicle is not a Crown Vic. (and I don't drive it in NC) I wouldn't mind getting a Crown Vic, though, as I don't care to let my present vehicle idle at a scene for hours on end. It's not built for it - Crown Vics are (at least the P71s are). Why would you need to? Aren't there any real cop cars that can sit and idle for hours on end where you live? At $2.25 or so per gallon of gas, I would not care to let my car sit and idle for hours on end, especially if I was driving a Vic as my POV. Careful your slip is showing.. :-) Mike Joe M. Mike Pugh wrote: As for building a vehicle to be used by emergency or county officials in case of an emergency. I wonder who's authority he was building this vehicle under? Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
Just a guess, but because he is a LICENSED HAM and may want to use the HAM BAND that many radar guns transmit on or can be modified to transmit on? Not everyone sticks with HF, or even VHF/UHF bands. As for 'extra' brake lights (assuming they are red) in the rear deck, most PD cars are sold with them left there and again, there is nothing illegal about a high mounted stop light. In fact, it's a requirement in most states. They don't have to bo that big, but again, not illegal. Again, I would encourage those wishing to discuss the matter to join: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GovtVShams/ so as to not tie up the RB list with a thread that is pretty much not on topic for this list. I'm sure many people are getting fed up with it. Joe M. Mike Pugh wrote: But it also tends to get one arrested.. So, unless you're a cop, or are not wishing to invite trouble, why have one? Mike Fred Fitte wrote: Having a radar unit is perfectly legal. Fred -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 8:43 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas Well I went to the website posted and saw a picture of jerry's car. I would like jerry to explain why he has a Traffic Radar gun sitting on his dash, (zoom in on the dash) I think that might have been a factor in his getting arrested. Being a Ham and also a police officer I see allot of hams that are stepping over the line, from light bars to sirens, in all honesty I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often. Eric Moeller Kc5Fog Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
Mike Pugh wrote: mch wrote: I know lots of hams who have EmCom vehicles under their own authority. You don't need permission to put one together. You only need permission of a PS agency to put transmit in an authorized radio, but the radios never came into play here - just the antennas. I know some of the same crowd. The question remains though Why? Who benefits?? The agencies? Well, if you want to get technical about it, it's nearly an FCC mandate. Quoting Part 97 (PLEASE forgive me, Kevin) (a) Recognition and enhancement of the value of the amateur service to the public as a voluntary noncommercial communication service, particularly with respect to providing emergency communications. That's really the first line in Part 97. Note the part 'particularly with respect to providing emergency communications'. Preparedness for any emergency is part of that federal mandate for the existance of the service! Having a mobile unit that has as much versitility as possible is as valuable as gold in an emergency. Who benefits? The public (again, quoted). Whomever relies upon hams for passing traffic. It takes a burden off of the emergency services, so they benefit indirectly, too, and YES, sometimes directly. Hams have been used when other means of communciations are down. To bring this on topic, even having a portable repeater is useful in an EnCom vehicle. You never know what function you may be called upon to perform, or where. Can you truly imagine a scenario where an incident commander turns to an assistant, and says, Better call Joe Schmo, he and his 1978 Crown Vic have the only remaining police radio left in the county, We'll all die unless he can get here and transmit for us? You want that scenario? OK, here it is. Many areas are going to trunked radio systems. That means hitting the right target can effectively take out an ENTIRE COUNTY. We all know cells will overload in an instant. When all the PDs have useless radios installed, and they can get a message to the command center via Joe Schmo, you had better believe they will take that option. I would if it means the ability to communicate. Look ay NYC. Who expected their communications system to literally disappear in the rubble? There are many cases where hams have been called the 'only means of communcations' in emergency situations. There have been many cases where a ham EmCom vehicle sat right beside a county EnCom Vehicle. The county deals with their comms, and the hams suppliment them and relieve them of some of the Health Welfare traffic. It sound like you may have never been involved in an emergency. These are the reasons for the existence of ARES and RACES, too. BUT, those organizations are not necessary for any ham to equip his own EmCom ham vehicle. Volunteers are becoming harder to find these days, so the role hams will play is becoming more important every day. (literally) The only person who benefits is the guy that gets to drive around with 27 antennas on his vehicle thinking he looks cool to someone who doesn't know any better... Kinda like our guy with the Chevy that started all of this.. And a single HF spider antenna doesn't 'look cool' to the uninformed? And to me, 27 antennas looks like a home-brew intermod alley, but that we can save for another thread. :-) Now we're talking You actually are who you are representing to be... The guy with the Chevy apparently is not. That's why he got the ticket... This is not an apples to apples comparison... True. But, take away the emergency lights and the badge, and it's awfully close. Are hams impersonating cops when they stand there with their HTs and pass comms at an event? In some cases they may even be using the same brand radios! (I do, but only for legal reasons, as you can't legally use a ham radio in the commercial band, so I use commercial radios with select ham frequencies in them.) I wouldn't mind getting a Crown Vic, though, as I don't care to let my present vehicle idle at a scene for hours on end. It's not built for it - Crown Vics are (at least the P71s are). Why would you need to? Aren't there any real cop cars that can sit and idle for hours on end where you live? At $2.25 or so per gallon of gas, I would not care to let my car sit and idle for hours on end, especially if I was driving a Vic as my POV. Well, most of the emergency services in my area are volunteer only except the PD (and some of those have volunteer reserves), IF there is even a PD in the area. Many areas are only patroled by the state. When will they get there? Who knows. Until then, I could very well be the only police presence on scene. When my butt is the only one out there, you had better believe I want as much communications as possible. But again, that's for another thread. So, aren't there any 'real cop cars' that can sit? In most cases, no. Most cars are tied up on other calls (again, if there are any in the municipality). In the case of
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
Yeah Right USDHS is the First step to being American Nazis I Vant to see your papers you need to carry your birth certificate or passport upstate NY without Leaving the state. I know it happened to me. First thing Customs needs to do is to get rid of the Mexican looking officers out of NYS and back on the Mexican Border where they can stop their reletives. USDHS what a Joke. Kind of reminds Me of a Cop who sees a mugging on a train platform and does nothing to Help because hes not required to.. His job is To protect transit property not the public. -- Kris Kirby [EMAIL PROTECTED] BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU! This message brought to you by the US Department of Homeland Security Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
