Re: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-820 CTCSS/DCS EEPROM

2010-07-15 Thread Jeff Lavoie - KB1SPH/WQEX694

It appears my L button doesn't work half the time, guess I need to
take my keyboard apart and clean it.

Jeff


On 7/16/2010, kb1sph kb1...@wqex694.info wrote:


Ok, I'm playing around with my Kenwood TKR-820 a bit.  I've found the
instructions for HEX editing the channel and ctcss information after
reading it from the EEPROM, and they work great.  But there's nothing
about DCS.  I'm wiing to try and decipher how to get the DCS, but I
need a look at the information from a chip that contains DCS
information.  Since I don't have a real programmer I can't change mine
and then look at it.  So if anyone has a TKR-820 with DCS in it and a
EEPROM reader, it would be greatly appreciated if you are wiling to read
the chip with PonyProg2000 (http://www.lancos.com/ppwin95.html) and send
me a copy.

Thanks,
Jeff, KB1SPH / WQEX694






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Re: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-820 CTCSS/DCS EEPROM

2010-07-15 Thread Jeff Lavoie - KB1SPH/WQEX694
Ok, let me make it a little more clear for anybody that might not have 
understood the first message.  (No offense intended Eric)

A Kenwood TKR-820 repeater has CTCSS and DCS encoding and decoding built 
into it with an on-board controller.  The configuration is stored in a 
EEPROM chip, 93C46 (or 93LC46).

What I'm trying to do is figure out how to change the configuration without 
using the expensive Kenwood programmers, unfortunately this one isn't just a 
simple cable.

I have a serial EEPROM reader/writer, so I used instructions found in the 
repeater-builder archives at 
http://www.mail-archive.com/repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com/msg63481.html 
to modify the configuration for the ctcss tones.  Unfortunately, the person 
who wrote that article didn't figure out the DCS configuration.

So I'm hoping that someone who has a TKR-820 already configured for DCS has 
the ability to read the EEPROM chip as well and send me a copy.

I hope that clears it up a little more.

Jeff, KB1SPH / WQEX694


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From: Eric Lemmon wb6...@verizon.net
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 10:24 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-820 CTCSS/DCS EEPROM

 Jeff,

 I suspect you may be headed for disappointment.  CTCSS (PL) and CDCSS 
 (DPL)
 are handled differently within the radio.  While the former is audio, 
 albeit
 sub-audible, the latter requires a DC connection to the modulator in order
 to create the DCS signal at a 134.4 Hz rate.  In other words the CTCSS
 hardware will not work for CDCSS.  Perhaps some readers who have TKR-820
 stations with CDCSS capability can advise you about the modifications 
 and/or
 optional modules that are necessary to handle DCS.

 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY


 -Original Message-
 From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kb1...@wqex694.info
 Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 7:03 PM
 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-820 CTCSS/DCS EEPROM




 Ok, I'm playing around with my Kenwood TKR-820 a bit. I've found the
 instructions for HEX editing the channel and ctcss information after
 reading it from the EEPROM, and they work great. But there's nothing
 about DCS. I'm wiing to try and decipher how to get the DCS, but I
 need a look at the information from a chip that contains DCS
 information. Since I don't have a real programmer I can't change mine
 and then look at it. So if anyone has a TKR-820 with DCS in it and a
 EEPROM reader, it would be greatly appreciated if you are wiling to read
 the chip with PonyProg2000 (http://www.lancos.com/ppwin95.html) and send
 me a copy.

 Thanks,
 Jeff, KB1SPH / WQEX694






 



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Re: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-820 CTCSS/DCS EEPROM

2010-07-15 Thread Jeff Lavoie - KB1SPH/WQEX694
Well I'm not particularly needing any one code at the moment, just trying to 
figure out how exactly to figure out the hex codes.

Thanks for the great tutorial on the rest.  It makes it easy to change the 
config when I want instead of having to call someone with a programmer.  Now 
if I can find a connector that goes into the socket on top of the display 
board I could just wire up a connection to the ICSP connector on my board 
and make it easier for the frequencies.

This information should be put on the repeater-builder web site if it's not 
already.  I couldn't find it, but maybe I didn't look close enough.

Jeff, KB1SPH / WQEX694


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From: DCFluX dcf...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 12:35 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-820 CTCSS/DCS EEPROM

 Hey, I didn't need DCS at the time.

 Looks like TX code is at 80-81 Hex, and RX code is 82-83

 81 EC = D023N
 81 E6 = D026N

 What DCS code do you need?

 On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 8:46 PM, Jeff Lavoie - KB1SPH/WQEX694
 kb1...@wqex694.info wrote:
 Ok, let me make it a little more clear for anybody that might not have
 understood the first message.  (No offense intended Eric)

 A Kenwood TKR-820 repeater has CTCSS and DCS encoding and decoding built
 into it with an on-board controller.  The configuration is stored in a
 EEPROM chip, 93C46 (or 93LC46).

 What I'm trying to do is figure out how to change the configuration 
 without
 using the expensive Kenwood programmers, unfortunately this one isn't 
 just a
 simple cable.

 I have a serial EEPROM reader/writer, so I used instructions found in the
 repeater-builder archives at
 http://www.mail-archive.com/repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com/msg63481.html
 to modify the configuration for the ctcss tones.  Unfortunately, the 
 person
 who wrote that article didn't figure out the DCS configuration.

 So I'm hoping that someone who has a TKR-820 already configured for DCS 
 has
 the ability to read the EEPROM chip as well and send me a copy.

 I hope that clears it up a little more.

 Jeff, KB1SPH / WQEX694


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 From: Eric Lemmon wb6...@verizon.net
 Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 10:24 PM
 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-820 CTCSS/DCS EEPROM

 Jeff,

 I suspect you may be headed for disappointment.  CTCSS (PL) and CDCSS
 (DPL)
 are handled differently within the radio.  While the former is audio,
 albeit
 sub-audible, the latter requires a DC connection to the modulator in 
 order
 to create the DCS signal at a 134.4 Hz rate.  In other words the CTCSS
 hardware will not work for CDCSS.  Perhaps some readers who have TKR-820
 stations with CDCSS capability can advise you about the modifications
 and/or
 optional modules that are necessary to handle DCS.

 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY


 -Original Message-
 From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 kb1...@wqex694.info
 Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 7:03 PM
 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-820 CTCSS/DCS EEPROM




 Ok, I'm playing around with my Kenwood TKR-820 a bit. I've found the
 instructions for HEX editing the channel and ctcss information after
 reading it from the EEPROM, and they work great. But there's nothing
 about DCS. I'm wiing to try and decipher how to get the DCS, but I
 need a look at the information from a chip that contains DCS
 information. Since I don't have a real programmer I can't change mine
 and then look at it. So if anyone has a TKR-820 with DCS in it and a
 EEPROM reader, it would be greatly appreciated if you are wiling to read
 the chip with PonyProg2000 (http://www.lancos.com/ppwin95.html) and send
 me a copy.

 Thanks,
 Jeff, KB1SPH / WQEX694






 



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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: TKR-820 CTCSS/DCS EEPROM

2010-07-15 Thread Jeff Lavoie - KB1SPH/WQEX694
Skipp, sent you a message, but sometimes messages from my domain are put in 
spam on yahoo.  I still haven't figured out why, so if you don't get it in 
your inbox, check the spam folder.

Jeff


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From: skipp025 skipp...@yahoo.com
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 12:51 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: TKR-820 CTCSS/DCS EEPROM



 Hi Jeff,

 I have a few DCS TKR-720/820 Eprom files in my collection. Email
 me direct if you haven't got it figured out by the weekend. I
 have a KPT-50, the software and the ponyprog setup you have
 so I can help as time allows.

 With that software and an inexpensive EEprom Programmer easily
 found on Ebay... you can do a lot of neat stuff... like the
 mentioned.

 cheers,

 skipp025 at yahoo.com

 --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Lavoie - KB1SPH/WQEX694 
 kb1...@... wrote:

 Ok, let me make it a little more clear for anybody that might not have
 understood the first message.  (No offense intended Eric)

 A Kenwood TKR-820 repeater has CTCSS and DCS encoding and decoding built
 into it with an on-board controller.  The configuration is stored in a
 EEPROM chip, 93C46 (or 93LC46).

 What I'm trying to do is figure out how to change the configuration 
 without
 using the expensive Kenwood programmers, unfortunately this one isn't 
 just a
 simple cable.

 I have a serial EEPROM reader/writer, so I used instructions found in the
 repeater-builder archives at
 http://www.mail-archive.com/repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com/msg63481.html
 to modify the configuration for the ctcss tones.  Unfortunately, the 
 person
 who wrote that article didn't figure out the DCS configuration.

 So I'm hoping that someone who has a TKR-820 already configured for DCS 
 has
 the ability to read the EEPROM chip as well and send me a copy.

 I hope that clears it up a little more.

 Jeff, KB1SPH / WQEX694


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 From: Eric Lemmon wb6...@...
 Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 10:24 PM
 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-820 CTCSS/DCS EEPROM

  Jeff,
 
  I suspect you may be headed for disappointment.  CTCSS (PL) and CDCSS
  (DPL)
  are handled differently within the radio.  While the former is audio,
  albeit
  sub-audible, the latter requires a DC connection to the modulator in 
  order
  to create the DCS signal at a 134.4 Hz rate.  In other words the CTCSS
  hardware will not work for CDCSS.  Perhaps some readers who have 
  TKR-820
  stations with CDCSS capability can advise you about the modifications
  and/or
  optional modules that are necessary to handle DCS.
 
  73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
  [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kb1...@...
  Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 7:03 PM
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-820 CTCSS/DCS EEPROM
 
 
 
 
  Ok, I'm playing around with my Kenwood TKR-820 a bit. I've found the
  instructions for HEX editing the channel and ctcss information after
  reading it from the EEPROM, and they work great. But there's nothing
  about DCS. I'm wiing to try and decipher how to get the DCS, but I
  need a look at the information from a chip that contains DCS
  information. Since I don't have a real programmer I can't change mine
  and then look at it. So if anyone has a TKR-820 with DCS in it and a
  EEPROM reader, it would be greatly appreciated if you are wiling to 
  read
  the chip with PonyProg2000 (http://www.lancos.com/ppwin95.html) and 
  send
  me a copy.
 
  Thanks,
  Jeff, KB1SPH / WQEX694
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] question for commercial radio shops

2010-07-13 Thread Jeff Lavoie - KB1SPH/WQEX694
If everyone using them had a GMRS license (one license covers the family) 
you could probably get away with using GMRS frequencies, but not FRS.  Some 
part 90 radios were certified for part 95 as well, mostly Kenwood I think. 
Motorola radios were not part 95 certified usually because of the digital 
capabilities (MDC, STAR) and Motorola didn't want to sell cheap radios, 
they're a bit greedy and wanted the big bucks from commercial.  Of course, 
that doesn't stop some of us from using them anyway.

In the end, it's up to you, but I would say no to FRS.

An alternative may be to find some cheap MURS radios.  They are license free 
and I think they're allowed up to 2 watts as opposed to the 500mw FRS.

Also, if they are using bubble pack FRS radios on a channel higher than 7, 
chances are (if they are made within the last few years) they are just as 
powerful as the LMR radios.  The only difference is usually the antenna, 
they probably have the equivalent to a stubby uhf antenna on the LMR radios, 
which does make a difference in range.  I really do not think it would help 
the range too much, unless you're talking about using mobiles, then I would 
definitely say no to doing it.

Jeff, KB1SPH / WQEX694


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From: Chris Curtis demo...@rollanet.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 8:29 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] question for commercial radio shops

 I pastor a motorcycle ministry and have no problem saying no to illegal or
 fringe favors from fellow church members.

 I also try to help them find a legal solution to whatever 
 problem/project
 they have.

 Good luck

 Kb0wlf

 -Original Message-
 From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-
 buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of KD5SFA
 Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 7:24 PM
 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [Repeater-Builder] question for commercial radio shops

 If a person whom you knew and is involved in a number
 of church youth camps activities asked you to program
 FRS frequencies into a 4w UHF HT type accepted for LMR
 would you do so ?  It would only be for extended range
 at camp.

 My gut is to tell him no...

 Sorry for the slightly off topic postI just need a
 little extra thought on the subject...

 Bad thing is the person asking is the captain of my
 Volunteer FD.

 73,
 Jon



 



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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: question for commercial radio shops

2010-07-13 Thread Jeff Lavoie - KB1SPH/WQEX694
Nothing if you're name is roger. 



From: Larry Horlick 
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:02 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: question for commercial radio shops




Hey, what's wrong with a roger beep?'beep'


On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 9:56 PM, skipp025 skipp...@yahoo.com wrote:



   If a person whom you knew and is involved in a number
   of church youth camps activities asked you to program
   FRS frequencies into a 4w UHF HT type accepted for LMR
   would you do so ? It would only be for extended range
   at camp.

  If the radio power can be reduced, turn it down and program 
  the FRS frequencies in. If the power can't be reduced, put the 
  radios on GMRS Frequencies. 

  Many of the Kenwood Portables I sell allow power level 
  programming per channel so the FRS gets low and the other 
  stuff gets the nominal rated power. 

  FRS Radios are sold cheap at the big box stores... try to 
  find the ones that allow you to turn off the $...@%@*% stupid 
  roger beeps 

  s. 







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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: question for commercial radio shops

2010-07-13 Thread Jeff Lavoie - KB1SPH/WQEX694
That would make some interesting research.  Honestly I like having my repeater 
controller do a beep at a lower audio level when someone un-keys.  Low enough 
to be heard, but not be a nuisance. If someone is closer to the repeater you 
may not know if they've un-keyed until the repeater itself drops out.  With a 
courtesy tone (as they're called now) it lets the other person know you've 
un-keyed and they can key  up again.  But I'll admit some of these beeps that 
the bubble packs and CBs have are really annoying.

Jeff, KB1SPH / WQEX694



From: ka9qjg 
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 11:02 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: question for commercial radio shops





Meant a lot to the First Astronauts  with Communications  that is how it got 
started I think ,   I forget if it was a Pre or after Transmission 

 

Don 

 

KA9QJG 

 

  

Nothing if you're name is roger. 

 

 

From: Larry Horlick 

Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:02 PM

To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 

Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: question for commercial radio shops

 

Hey, what's wrong with a roger beep?'beep'

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 9:56 PM, skipp025 skipp...@yahoo.com wrote:

  





 




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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Recrystal MSR-2000 Channel Elements

2010-07-13 Thread Jeff Lavoie - KB1SPH/WQEX694
George, sent the money.  It will come from a different e-mail address, but 
it will have my name.

Jeff, KB1SPH / WQEX694


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From: George Henry ka3...@att.net
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 1:49 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Recrystal MSR-2000 Channel Elements

 I'm only looking to recoup what I have invested in them...  $50 for the 
 pair.
 At the moment, I have lots of spares, but sure, I'll take another set.

 If you do Paypal, you can pay me at ka3...@aol.com.

 George, KA3HSW



From: Jeff Lavoie - KB1SPH/WQEX694 kb1...@wqex694.info
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 10:17:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Recrystal MSR-2000 Channel Elements


Actually 462.600 is the frequency I'm currently running my Kenwood on. I
would probably be putting the Motorola on the same frequency with a
different PL at a different location. That would solve a lot of headaches
if you're willing to part with them. I was thinking about doing ham later
down the road if GMRS goes away, I'm sure you've all heard about the
proposed rule changes. But until I hear that GMRS repeaters are not 
allowed
(or must be narrow band) I'll be setting it up on GMRS. The Kenwood is 
more
set up for a portable repeater for events right now. A group of us get
together and help out with events when there aren't enough ham volunteers.

Let me know what you want for the channel elements. If you're interested I
would be willing to send you a set of channel elements back if you need 
them
as spares.

Jeff, KB1SPH / WQEX694

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From: George Henry ka3...@att.net
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 1:59 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Recrystal MSR-2000 Channel Elements

 What frequencies are you looking for? Ham or GMRS, I presume... I've got
 a
 bunch of MSR-2K elements if you need any, including a set for a 462.600
 GMRS
 repeater.



 George, KA3HSW / WQGJ413



From: Jeff Lavoie - KB1SPH/WQEX694 kb1...@wqex694.info
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 1:15:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Recrystal MSR-2000 Channel Elements (and 
a
guacamole recipe)


Thanks Skipp, that helps a great deal. I've found a lot of usefule
information on repeater-builder.com over the years, but I just finally
signed up for the yahoo group yesterday, I don't know why I waited.

Bomar sounds like a good place to start with.

I got this MSR-2000 for $25 at a hamfest because the guy didn't want to
load
it up in his truck to take it back home. I was buying a Kenwood TKR-820
and
he said, I'll tell you what, I'll give you the pair for $50. How could 
I
go wrong? The Kenwood is working great thanks to repeater-builder.com.

On another note, I sent you a message a few days ago, but sometimes 
yahoo
blocks my messagesnot sure why.

I was wondering if you had any information about a CSI-32 tone panel and
possible firmware upgrades. The EPROM inside has a sticker on it that 
says
the following.

128 v4.0
6289 (I think, hard to read)
© CSI

- Jeff





 



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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: question for commercial radio shops

2010-07-13 Thread Jeff Lavoie - KB1SPH/WQEX694
That makes sense.  I wonder if the ground crew could trick the ground 
receiver into un-muting the audio from the shuttle so that they can listen 
in on what's going on.

Jeff, KB1SPH / WQEX694


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From: Martin Flynn mafl...@theflynn.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 11:16 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: question for commercial radio shops

 Spacecraft systems are full-duplex.  The purpose of the Quindar tones
 was to mute the uplink audio when Houston had nothing to say.

 ka9qjg wrote:


 Meant a lot to the First Astronauts  with Communications  that is how
 it got started I think ,   I forget if it was a Pre or after Transmission

   Don

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Recrystal MSR-2000 Channel Elements (and a guacamole recipe)

2010-07-12 Thread Jeff Lavoie - KB1SPH/WQEX694
Thanks Skipp, that helps a great deal.  I've found a lot of usefule 
information on repeater-builder.com over the years, but I just finally 
signed up for the yahoo group yesterday, I don't know why I waited.

Bomar sounds like a good place to start with.

I got this MSR-2000 for $25 at a hamfest because the guy didn't want to load 
it up in his truck to take it back home.  I was buying a Kenwood TKR-820 and 
he said, I'll tell you what, I'll give you the pair for $50.  How could I 
go wrong?  The Kenwood is working great thanks to repeater-builder.com.

On another note, I sent you a message a few days ago, but sometimes yahoo 
blocks my messagesnot sure why.

I was wondering if you had any information about a CSI-32 tone panel and 
possible firmware upgrades.  The EPROM inside has a sticker on it that says 
the following.

128 v4.0
6289 (I think, hard to read)
© CSI


- Jeff

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From: skipp025 skipp...@yahoo.com
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 10:52 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Recrystal MSR-2000 Channel Elements (and a 
guacamole recipe)



 Recrystal MSR-2000 Channel Elements

 Path_Finder.Geo kb1...@... wrote:
 Hi everyone, I am going to post this message here because
 batlabs didn't approve my post. Apparently it's too harsh
 to tell people, PLEASE DO NOT TELL ME TO HAVE SOMEONE
 ELSE DO IT.

 Hi Jeff,
 Apparently you do not play the BatLabs Game very well? I'm
 sure you'll survive with the ever so perky bunch over here.

 I am looking for information on how exactly to re-tune
 a channel element for a MSR repeater.  I've seen
 instructions as far as what to adjust on the element
 itself, but what I really need to know is; what equipment
 is required, how to hook that equipment up to the channel
 element, and what to look for while adjusting the channel
 element.

 The transmit channel element is best adjusted for frequency
 center by using a Communications Service Monitor setup to
 sample (off the on-air signal) read the main carrier
 channel/frequency.  The simple way to set the IDC Control/Pot
 is to set the Transmit CTCSS (PL) Tone deviation to about 750Hz.
 In a stock MSR-2000 the repeat audio level is then set using
 the level pot on the Squelch Gate Module.

 If you don't have access to a Service Monitor, a decent Frequency
 Counter will at least let you net (adjust) the frequency to
 F-center (on the desired frequency).

 If you move the transmitter more than say... 500 kHz from its
 last alignment location, you should repeat the Service Manual
 Alignment steps on or near the new frequency.

 The Receiver is a different animal. Take the Receiver frequency
 and add and/or subtract the receiver IF frequency (most often
 10.7 or 10.8 MHz for the VHF Receiver).  The formula you use
 depends on your receivers IF Frequency and Injection Chain,
 which translates to which side of the IF the multiplied crystal
 frequency ends up on.  In your example it's probably F-frequency
 minus the IF Frequency equals the multiplied Channel Element
 injection frequency, which is what you want to set/align.

 Put a X1 Scope/Text Probe on your Service Monitor (or Frequency
 Counter) Antenna (Low Level RF) Input and place it down onto/near
 the receiver circuit board. You can also use a decent quality
 frequency counter if you're more careful. At some location on
 or near the board you will be able to monitor and measure the
 output of the RX Channel Element Frequency, then set it for the
 expected Injection Frequency.

 As an example: A receive frequency of 151.625 MHz minus a 10.7
 IF frequency equals 140.925 MHz. Sniff around the receiver
 board until you observe a signal in that area, then net
 (adjust) the channel element frequency to the expected 140.925
 F-center location. If you can't find the expected frequency
 you might run the numbers for a 10.8 IF Frequency and sniff
 around 140.825 for the channel element injection frequency.

 In both the above examples, a X1 (times-1) Scope Probe or something
 similar is handy to use. If you can't get/find a signal, make a
 short antenna probe by clipping a small length of insulated
 regular wire onto the end of the probe. The end of the wire held
 by the Scope Probe jaws should obviously be stripped bare.
 Try not to allow the sampling wire and/or probe to directly
 contact/short any of the exposed metal parts on the receiver
 board.

 Now I realize that I need a new crystal as well, and I
 realize it can all be done professionally with temperature
 compensation.

 Yeah but in many cases professional is a lot more expensive
 than it really has to be.

 But what I want to know is how I can do it myself just
 to get started and make sure everything is going to work
 the way I want before I pay out big bucks to have it all
 done the right way.  I have an extra set of channel
 elements, so playing around with one set isn't going to
 affect having the other set done professionally if I
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Recrystal MSR-2000 Channel Elements

2010-07-12 Thread Jeff Lavoie - KB1SPH/WQEX694
Actually 462.600 is the frequency I'm currently running my Kenwood on.  I 
would probably be putting the Motorola on the same frequency with a 
different PL at a different location.  That would solve a lot of headaches 
if you're willing to part with them.  I was thinking about doing ham later 
down the road if GMRS goes away, I'm sure you've all heard about the 
proposed rule changes.  But until I hear that GMRS repeaters are not allowed 
(or must be narrow band) I'll be setting it up on GMRS.  The Kenwood is more 
set up for a portable repeater for events right now.  A group of us get 
together and help out with events when there aren't enough ham volunteers.

Let me know what you want for the channel elements.  If you're interested I 
would be willing to send you a set of channel elements back if you need them 
as spares.

Jeff, KB1SPH / WQEX694


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From: George Henry ka3...@att.net
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 1:59 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Recrystal MSR-2000 Channel Elements

 What frequencies are you looking for?  Ham or GMRS, I presume...  I've got 
 a
 bunch of MSR-2K elements if you need any, including a set for a 462.600 
 GMRS
 repeater.



 George, KA3HSW / WQGJ413



From: Jeff Lavoie - KB1SPH/WQEX694 kb1...@wqex694.info
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 1:15:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Recrystal MSR-2000 Channel Elements (and a
guacamole recipe)


Thanks Skipp, that helps a great deal. I've found a lot of usefule
information on repeater-builder.com over the years, but I just finally
signed up for the yahoo group yesterday, I don't know why I waited.

Bomar sounds like a good place to start with.

I got this MSR-2000 for $25 at a hamfest because the guy didn't want to 
load
it up in his truck to take it back home. I was buying a Kenwood TKR-820 
and
he said, I'll tell you what, I'll give you the pair for $50. How could I
go wrong? The Kenwood is working great thanks to repeater-builder.com.

On another note, I sent you a message a few days ago, but sometimes yahoo
blocks my messagesnot sure why.

I was wondering if you had any information about a CSI-32 tone panel and
possible firmware upgrades. The EPROM inside has a sticker on it that says
the following.

128 v4.0
6289 (I think, hard to read)
© CSI

- Jeff




 



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Re: [Repeater-Builder] CSI-32 (Lynnwood Washington) Repeater Tone Panel Controller Information

2010-07-12 Thread Jeff Lavoie - KB1SPH/WQEX694
Ok, I can get you the date code tomorrow if you find some spare time to 
check.   It's too bad I couldn't get a copy of the original code and maybe 
modify it myself.  I like to tinker around with existing programming a bit, 
but I wouldn't know where to begin if I were to start from scratch.

Jeff, KB1SPH / WQEX694


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From: skipp025 skipp...@yahoo.com
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 2:18 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] CSI-32 (Lynnwood Washington) Repeater Tone Panel 
Controller Information




 Jeff Lavoie - KB1SPH/WQEX694 kb1...@... wrote:
 Thanks Skipp, that helps a great deal.  I've found a lot of
 useful information on repeater-builder.com over the years,

 Hi Jeff,
 Just don't buy a car from any of us and you'll be fine.

 I was wondering if you had any information about a
 CSI-32 tone panel and possible firmware upgrades. The
 EPROM inside has a sticker on it that says the
 following.
 128 v4.0
 6289 (I think, hard to read)
 © CSI

 In regards to the CSI (Lynnwood Washington CSI, not the Ventura
 CA. CSI) brand of Repeater Tone/DCS Controllers. The latest
 firmware version is based on the PC Board date of construction,
 which is most often silk screened in white ink right on the board.

 V4.0 was one of the last firmware versions available for most
 of the CSI-32 Controllers. As time allows I could check my files
 for firmware information but I would need to know your pc board
 date code in addition to all the other details. Right now I'd say
 the 4.0 stuff is pretty much it in regards to updates.

 cheers,
 s.



 



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