RE: Nyan Cat
I wonder if this will spawn several renditions of a sam version i'm going to give it a go too :-) Andy -Original Message- From: owner-sam-us...@nvg.ntnu.no [mailto:owner-sam-us...@nvg.ntnu.no] On Behalf Of Aleš Keprt Sent: 23 April 2012 02:06 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Nyan Cat I analyzed the original video - the whole animation consists of 12 frames only. So this part is easy. :-) Aley -Původní zpráva- From: Aleš Keprt Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 2:42 AM To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Nyan Cat I think normal mode 4 + normal music would be OK. I would rather see it finished in basic variant then to read 100 mails on theory what can be done. ;-) I believe mode 4 is achievable. It is small, it is repeated and it seems to me that all states of the cat can fit into a few screen pages so we would draw just stars. Plus standard music, samples aren't needed for this. So who is going to do it? :-))) A. -Původní zpráva- From: Andrew Collier Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 10:57 PM To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Nyan Cat Yeah, 4-pixel squares in mode 2 would be easy enough. An authentic facsimile in Mode 1 would be tricky as there are squares with more than 2 colours in. Achievable with rainbow processing, but that seems a bit of a faff... Andrew On 22 Apr 2012, at 21:34, Tommo H wrote: Based on the Spectrum version, you could probably do it in Mode 1 or 2, just using the attributes? On 22 Apr 2012, at 13:32, Andrew Collier and...@intensity.org.uk wrote: so this is what people do on the internet these days, is it? Actually it does remind me a bit of the kind of stuff that ended up on early issues of Fred... You'd need to draw the stars manually, but that should be achievable. Andrew On 22 Apr 2012, at 19:45, James R Curry wrote: There are few enough frames that it could easily be done with screen swapping with a sampled version of the music playing. -- James R Curry On Apr 22, 2012, at 1:39 PM, Aleš Keprt a...@keprt.cz wrote: Do we have Nyan Cat on Sam Coupe? Somebody should make a conversion. wlEmoticon-smile[1].png original version, Atari 800, ZX Spectrum, Commodore C16, Atari 2600: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ5v9Qo6XzA Amstrad CPC version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfD3WxgaiXo BBC Micro version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBVQdx3dJ1c If you don't have time to watch it all, here is a short 100h summary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA5DsLzSVrk Sam Coupe version: ??? - Mgr. Aleš Keprt, Ph.D. private: a...@keprt.cz, www.keprt.cz office: Moravian College / Moravská vysoká škola Olomouc, ales.ke...@mvso.cz - Mgr. Aleš Keprt, Ph.D. private: a...@keprt.cz, www.keprt.cz office: Moravian College / Moravská vysoká škola Olomouc, ales.ke...@mvso.cz - Mgr. Aleš Keprt, Ph.D. private: a...@keprt.cz, www.keprt.cz office: Moravian College / Moravská vysoká škola Olomouc, ales.ke...@mvso.cz
Re: Nyan Cat
The graphics are no problem whatsoever but the sound would be completely beyond me. Listening to the original (non-8 bit) version shows the song to have a vocal so if that weren't the case I'd probably do the graphics in 4x4 blocks in Mode 2 and get that whole footprint down to 10kb or so, then spend everything else on music. Even then I assume someone would need to come up with a MOD-style version of the track... Vaguely related: does anyone know where I can get hold of Sam dos as a binary blob, outside of a disk image, for the purposes of being able to assemble things conveniently? I can find disk image file extraction tools for Windows only, making them quite useless. On 23 Apr 2012, at 08:07, Andrew Park alp...@ntlworld.com wrote: I wonder if this will spawn several renditions of a sam version i'm going to give it a go too :-) Andy -Original Message- From: owner-sam-us...@nvg.ntnu.no [mailto:owner-sam-us...@nvg.ntnu.no] On Behalf Of Aleš Keprt Sent: 23 April 2012 02:06 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Nyan Cat I analyzed the original video - the whole animation consists of 12 frames only. So this part is easy. :-) Aley -Původní zpráva- From: Aleš Keprt Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 2:42 AM To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Nyan Cat I think normal mode 4 + normal music would be OK. I would rather see it finished in basic variant then to read 100 mails on theory what can be done. ;-) I believe mode 4 is achievable. It is small, it is repeated and it seems to me that all states of the cat can fit into a few screen pages so we would draw just stars. Plus standard music, samples aren't needed for this. So who is going to do it? :-))) A. -Původní zpráva- From: Andrew Collier Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 10:57 PM To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Nyan Cat Yeah, 4-pixel squares in mode 2 would be easy enough. An authentic facsimile in Mode 1 would be tricky as there are squares with more than 2 colours in. Achievable with rainbow processing, but that seems a bit of a faff... Andrew On 22 Apr 2012, at 21:34, Tommo H wrote: Based on the Spectrum version, you could probably do it in Mode 1 or 2, just using the attributes? On 22 Apr 2012, at 13:32, Andrew Collier and...@intensity.org.uk wrote: so this is what people do on the internet these days, is it? Actually it does remind me a bit of the kind of stuff that ended up on early issues of Fred... You'd need to draw the stars manually, but that should be achievable. Andrew On 22 Apr 2012, at 19:45, James R Curry wrote: There are few enough frames that it could easily be done with screen swapping with a sampled version of the music playing. -- James R Curry On Apr 22, 2012, at 1:39 PM, Aleš Keprt a...@keprt.cz wrote: Do we have Nyan Cat on Sam Coupe? Somebody should make a conversion. wlEmoticon-smile[1].png original version, Atari 800, ZX Spectrum, Commodore C16, Atari 2600: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ5v9Qo6XzA Amstrad CPC version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfD3WxgaiXo BBC Micro version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBVQdx3dJ1c If you don't have time to watch it all, here is a short 100h summary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA5DsLzSVrk Sam Coupe version: ??? - Mgr. Aleš Keprt, Ph.D. private: a...@keprt.cz, www.keprt.cz office: Moravian College / Moravská vysoká škola Olomouc, ales.ke...@mvso.cz - Mgr. Aleš Keprt, Ph.D. private: a...@keprt.cz, www.keprt.cz office: Moravian College / Moravská vysoká škola Olomouc, ales.ke...@mvso.cz - Mgr. Aleš Keprt, Ph.D. private: a...@keprt.cz, www.keprt.cz office: Moravian College / Moravská vysoká škola Olomouc, ales.ke...@mvso.cz
Re: Nyan Cat
On 23 April 2012 17:16, Tommo H tomh.retros...@gmail.com wrote: Vaguely related: does anyone know where I can get hold of Sam dos as a binary blob, outside of a disk image, for the purposes of being able ftp://ftp.nvg.ntnu.no/pub/sam-coupe/temp/samdos2 to assemble things conveniently? I can find disk image file extraction tools for Windows only, making them quite useless. dskman might be what you are looking for, BTW. -Frode
Re: Nyan Cat
On 23/04/2012 16:16, Tommo H wrote: Vaguely related: does anyone know where I can get hold of Sam dos as a binary blob, outside of a disk image, for the purposes of being able to assemble things conveniently? Most of my SAM projects on GitHub should include samdos2. They also use pyz80's -I option to add it to the output image before the auto-executing code file. That's usually plenty for development, even if I manually add a BASIC wrapper later for the release. Si
Re: Nyan Cat
That's exactly the build system I use, except that I'd managed to misplace my copy of dos. A quick call to open at the end and I'm straight into Sim Coupe, or at least I used to be. The SDL you've linked with appears to be broken under 10.7 in some ways, especially relating to the way the new OS supplies help in restoring sessions, but I'll send a bug report properly and privately when I've had a chance properly to gather evidence. Re: Samdos, is it definitely legal for redistribution? I thought we had explicit clearance but I notice that it's 'not yet approved' on World of Sam. On 23 Apr 2012, at 09:30, Simon Owen simon.o...@simcoupe.org wrote: On 23/04/2012 16:16, Tommo H wrote: Vaguely related: does anyone know where I can get hold of Sam dos as a binary blob, outside of a disk image, for the purposes of being able to assemble things conveniently? Most of my SAM projects on GitHub should include samdos2. They also use pyz80's -I option to add it to the output image before the auto-executing code file. That's usually plenty for development, even if I manually add a BASIC wrapper later for the release. Si
Re: Nyan Cat
On 23 April 2012 18:10, Tommo H tomh.retros...@gmail.com wrote: Re: Samdos, is it definitely legal for redistribution? I thought we had explicit clearance but I notice that it's 'not yet approved' on World of Sam. I've fixed this, it must have been overlooked previously. Dr Andy Wright gave a blanket grant for his Sam-related materials. Andrew
Re: Nyan Cat
This is a great idea.
I am going to make it. I mean one part of it.
Aley
From: James R Curry
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 5:14 PM
To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
Subject: Re: Nyan Cat
I'm looking forward to the Nyan Cat Megademo.
5 interpretations of Nyan Cat in one demo by five same coders!
On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Andrew Park alp...@ntlworld.com wrote:
I wonder if this will spawn several renditions of a sam version i'm going to
give it a go too :-)
Andy
-Original Message-
From: owner-sam-us...@nvg.ntnu.no [mailto:owner-sam-us...@nvg.ntnu.no] On
Behalf Of Aleš Keprt
Sent: 23 April 2012 02:06
To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
Subject: Re: Nyan Cat
I analyzed the original video - the whole animation consists of 12 frames
only. So this part is easy. :-) Aley
-Původní zpráva-
From: Aleš Keprt
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 2:42 AM
To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
Subject: Re: Nyan Cat
I think normal mode 4 + normal music would be OK. I would rather see it
finished in basic variant then to read 100 mails on theory what can be done.
;-)
I believe mode 4 is achievable. It is small, it is repeated and it seems to
me that all states of the cat can fit into a few screen pages so we would
draw just stars. Plus standard music, samples aren't needed for this.
So who is going to do it? :-)))
A.
-Původní zpráva-
From: Andrew Collier
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 10:57 PM
To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
Subject: Re: Nyan Cat
Yeah, 4-pixel squares in mode 2 would be easy enough.
An authentic facsimile in Mode 1 would be tricky as there are squares with
more than 2 colours in. Achievable with rainbow processing, but that seems a
bit of a faff...
Andrew
On 22 Apr 2012, at 21:34, Tommo H wrote:
Based on the Spectrum version, you could probably do it in Mode 1 or
2, just using the attributes?
On 22 Apr 2012, at 13:32, Andrew Collier and...@intensity.org.uk wrote:
so this is what people do on the internet these days, is it?
Actually it does remind me a bit of the kind of stuff that ended up
on early issues of Fred...
You'd need to draw the stars manually, but that should be achievable.
Andrew
On 22 Apr 2012, at 19:45, James R Curry wrote:
There are few enough frames that it could easily be done with screen
swapping with a sampled version of the music playing.
--
James R Curry
On Apr 22, 2012, at 1:39 PM, Aleš Keprt a...@keprt.cz wrote:
Do we have Nyan Cat on Sam Coupe? Somebody should make a conversion.
wlEmoticon-smile[1].png
original version, Atari 800, ZX Spectrum, Commodore C16, Atari 2600:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ5v9Qo6XzA
Amstrad CPC version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfD3WxgaiXo
BBC Micro version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBVQdx3dJ1c
If you don't have time to watch it all, here is a short 100h summary:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA5DsLzSVrk
Sam Coupe version: ???
-
Mgr. Aleš Keprt, Ph.D.
private: a...@keprt.cz, www.keprt.cz
office: Moravian College / Moravská vysoká škola Olomouc,
ales.ke...@mvso.cz
-
Mgr. Aleš Keprt, Ph.D.
private: a...@keprt.cz, www.keprt.cz
office: Moravian College / Moravská vysoká škola Olomouc, ales.ke...@mvso.cz
-
Mgr. Aleš Keprt, Ph.D.
private: a...@keprt.cz, www.keprt.cz
office: Moravian College / Moravská vysoká škola Olomouc, ales.ke...@mvso.cz
--
James R Curry
8...@itdoesntsuck.com
-
Mgr. Aleš Keprt, Ph.D.
private: a...@keprt.cz, www.keprt.cz
office: Moravian College / Moravská vysoká škola Olomouc, ales.ke...@mvso.cz
wlEmoticon-openmouthedsmile[1].png
Re: Nyan Cat
Yes there is a vocal. The problem is that 4x4 is too low resolution to reproduce the original animation with all detail. You actually need 2x2 to reproduce the whole original or 3x3 if you can live with parts being cut on top and bottom. btw. Why MGT designed mode 2 this way instead of low-res 2x2 pixel mode (i.e. 128x96) with 4 bits per each 2x2 block? That would look more similar to C64 and Amstrad CPC, and it would allow us to have a nice and fast action games. Now we have 2 bytes per 8 pixels in mode 2, but only with two colours. I'd prefer to have these 2 bytes for 4 larger pixels so that each pixel could have any one of 16 colours in palette. Aley -Původní zpráva- From: Tommo H Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 5:16 PM To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Nyan Cat The graphics are no problem whatsoever but the sound would be completely beyond me. Listening to the original (non-8 bit) version shows the song to have a vocal so if that weren't the case I'd probably do the graphics in 4x4 blocks in Mode 2 and get that whole footprint down to 10kb or so, then spend everything else on music. Even then I assume someone would need to come up with a MOD-style version of the track... Vaguely related: does anyone know where I can get hold of Sam dos as a binary blob, outside of a disk image, for the purposes of being able to assemble things conveniently? I can find disk image file extraction tools for Windows only, making them quite useless. On 23 Apr 2012, at 08:07, Andrew Park alp...@ntlworld.com wrote: I wonder if this will spawn several renditions of a sam version i'm going to give it a go too :-) Andy -Original Message- From: owner-sam-us...@nvg.ntnu.no [mailto:owner-sam-us...@nvg.ntnu.no] On Behalf Of Aleš Keprt Sent: 23 April 2012 02:06 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Nyan Cat I analyzed the original video - the whole animation consists of 12 frames only. So this part is easy. :-) Aley -Původní zpráva- From: Aleš Keprt Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 2:42 AM To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Nyan Cat I think normal mode 4 + normal music would be OK. I would rather see it finished in basic variant then to read 100 mails on theory what can be done. ;-) I believe mode 4 is achievable. It is small, it is repeated and it seems to me that all states of the cat can fit into a few screen pages so we would draw just stars. Plus standard music, samples aren't needed for this. So who is going to do it? :-))) A. -Původní zpráva- From: Andrew Collier Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 10:57 PM To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Nyan Cat Yeah, 4-pixel squares in mode 2 would be easy enough. An authentic facsimile in Mode 1 would be tricky as there are squares with more than 2 colours in. Achievable with rainbow processing, but that seems a bit of a faff... Andrew On 22 Apr 2012, at 21:34, Tommo H wrote: Based on the Spectrum version, you could probably do it in Mode 1 or 2, just using the attributes? On 22 Apr 2012, at 13:32, Andrew Collier and...@intensity.org.uk wrote: so this is what people do on the internet these days, is it? Actually it does remind me a bit of the kind of stuff that ended up on early issues of Fred... You'd need to draw the stars manually, but that should be achievable. Andrew On 22 Apr 2012, at 19:45, James R Curry wrote: There are few enough frames that it could easily be done with screen swapping with a sampled version of the music playing. -- James R Curry On Apr 22, 2012, at 1:39 PM, Aleš Keprt a...@keprt.cz wrote: Do we have Nyan Cat on Sam Coupe? Somebody should make a conversion. wlEmoticon-smile[1].png original version, Atari 800, ZX Spectrum, Commodore C16, Atari 2600: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ5v9Qo6XzA Amstrad CPC version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfD3WxgaiXo BBC Micro version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBVQdx3dJ1c If you don't have time to watch it all, here is a short 100h summary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA5DsLzSVrk Sam Coupe version: ??? - Mgr. Aleš Keprt, Ph.D. private: a...@keprt.cz, www.keprt.cz office: Moravian College / Moravská vysoká škola Olomouc, ales.ke...@mvso.cz - Mgr. Aleš Keprt, Ph.D. private: a...@keprt.cz, www.keprt.cz office: Moravian College / Moravská vysoká škola Olomouc, ales.ke...@mvso.cz - Mgr. Aleš Keprt, Ph.D. private: a...@keprt.cz, www.keprt.cz office: Moravian College / Moravská vysoká škola Olomouc, ales.ke...@mvso.cz - Mgr. Aleš Keprt, Ph.D. private: a...@keprt.cz, www.keprt.cz office: Moravian College / Moravská vysoká škola Olomouc, ales.ke...@mvso.cz
Re: Nyan Cat
On 23/04/2012 20:42, Aleš Keprt wrote: Yes there is a vocal. The problem is that 4x4 is too low resolution to reproduce the original animation with all detail. You actually need 2x2 to reproduce the whole original or 3x3 if you can live with parts being cut on top and bottom. Looks like the pixels aren't all the same size. Watch his head move, it changes aspect ratio even though there's no animation, just movement... Hang on, am I really doing this??!! (reality kicks in) Hell no!! Not until I finish some /real/ stuff anyway Howard
Re: Nyan Cat
Quoting Balor Price toberm...@cookingcircle.co.uk: Hang on, am I really doing this??!! (reality kicks in) Hell no!! Not until I finish some /real/ stuff anyway Howard Do a send-up using the SAM Robot instead! :)
Re: Nyan Cat
If it's for some sort of quick attempt at multipart megademo (albeit with all the parts being extremely similar), would it be safe to assume that someone [else] is working on the music? I'd love to be able to contribute but music is completely beyond me. Re: Aley's comments on a 4bpp 64-byte pitch mode (so, the same number of fetches as Mode 2, even with the same memory layout if they really wanted, but to produce a 128x192 display), I'd have been all for it, even as a replacement for Mode 2. Though obviously hardware scrolling would be quite a way above it on a wish list... On 23 April 2012 13:24, da...@properbastard.co.uk wrote: Quoting Balor Price toberm...@cookingcircle.co.uk: Hang on, am I really doing this??!! (reality kicks in) Hell no!! Not until I finish some /real/ stuff anyway Howard Do a send-up using the SAM Robot instead! :)
Re: Nyan Cat
On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 3:24 PM, da...@properbastard.co.uk wrote: Quoting Balor Price toberm...@cookingcircle.co.uk**: Hang on, am I really doing this??!! (reality kicks in) Hell no!! Not until I finish some /real/ stuff anyway Howard Do a send-up using the SAM Robot instead! :) I hate this idea - there are SO MANY send-up versions of Nyan Cat on Youtube that it ceases to be clever. Just port the original. -- James R Curry 8...@itdoesntsuck.com
Re: Nyan Cat
On 23 Apr 2012, at 18:10, Tommo H tomh.retros...@gmail.com wrote: The SDL you've linked with appears to be broken under 10.7 in some ways, especially relating to the way the new OS supplies help in restoring sessions It might be worth checking you're using SimCoupe 1.0a for OS X, as that was a minor update to fix a Lion issue (crash on startup). That should work back to 10.4, as well as on PPC. Future releases are likely to require 10.5 or later due to the switch to Xcode 4. Si
