Re: Forlorn plea...
At 9:50 am +0100 7/4/99, Aley Keprt wrote: The Lyra 3 is already there in .dsk format. That was done weeks ago. I know, because I did it myself. Great! But why didn't you anounced it? I think many people wait for Lyra 3 (incl. me :). I did... At 4:00 pm +0100 6/3/99, Andrew Collier wrote: There's nary a *.dsk file in sight. I can't find anywhere to download The Lyra 3 from in a format I can use. Alright... The Lyra 3, as a .dsk, is now in nvg's incoming directory. Frode moved it to a readable directory a few days later, and he mentioned that on sam-users too. Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he ++-+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides
Re: Forlorn plea...
At 10:05 am +0100 7/4/99, Aley Keprt wrote: [Andrew Collier wrote:] Well like I said, I think issues 1 to 12 are on ftp.nvg already but I doubt there are plans to upload any more. It's all a very hazy area, but to declare those FRED issues as PD would be changing the legal status of some of *my* software. I'm not sure that decision would be in Colin MacDonald's hands, not unless he'd contacted every author of every program on every issue. I don't think so. If Colin MacDonald declare Fred issues as PD, they will be. ... It is Colin MacDonald's choice, whether he will want to 'distribute' Fred in DSK format instead of regular floppies. Colin MacDonald can distribute FRED how he likes, including free-of-charge by anonymous ftp. This is not the same as declaring the software to be PD, which I still don't think he can do. I haven't signed anything which would allow him to change the legal status of any of my software which might be incorporated into FRED magazine. Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he ++-+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides
Re: Forlorn plea...
[Andrew Collier wrote:] Colin MacDonald can distribute FRED how he likes, including free-of-charge by anonymous ftp. This is not the same as declaring the software to be PD, which I still don't think he can do. I haven't signed anything which would allow him to change the legal status of any of my software which might be incorporated into FRED magazine. If you gave your contributions for free/cash , so that Colin could distribute on what ever issue of Fred he like , he would be entitled to distrubute Fred in any form he likes , even as a Image on a FTP. Also as you have Freely givin this your consent to have said contibutions in Fred for NO expliciate date or time then as long as its only offered in a FRED Issues (Disk or Image) , he may do/say and charge what he wishes without any consultaion from the author. But if , say you Contribution was taken of a Fred issue and put onto any other medium/mag or whatever that is illegal. Its what has been called a verbal contract , and as its allready on a Fred then LEGALLY its a Freds Contribution and you should always get a Credit Mention every time its used (This was stated in a Fred Issue?) Sorry about all this legal input at moo , but going thought same stuff with new venure @ moo Chris
Re: Forlorn plea...
I would be really happy if someone will convert at least teledisk files to sad/dsk (The Lyra III etc.). The Lyra 3 is already there in .dsk format. That was done weeks ago. I know, because I did it myself. Great! But why didn't you anounced it? I think many people wait for Lyra 3 (incl. me :). (As you know, you cannot assign one suffix to several programs in Win32. And since Win32 is the main op.system in the world, we should follow its rules.) If everybody took that attitude, there's no reason to be on this mailing list... Oooh, I don't think so. Why don't you want to follow basic rules and go against waterfalls? Win32 is here, so what we can do? (answer: we can do sim coupe for win32 :))) regards, Aley Keprt
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Aley Keprt wrote: (As you know, you cannot assign one suffix to several programs in Win32. There can only be one associated application to handle a double click, but there's no reason why we can't use a shell extension DLL that adds one or more items to the context menu when you right click on a .DSK file. We just need to be able to recognise which files are for us - we can even have different icons for both cases too. I have another idea. We can register DSK for Sim Coupe. And if SimCoupe consider one particular file as non-Sam one, it can call ZX32. And since Win32 is the main op.system in the world, we should follow its rules.) Be careful with statements like that! ;-) Personally I prefer Linux to Win32, but unfortunately I work all day under M$ Windows and most of my games only run under it, so Win32 stuff is just more convenient! You and everybody here and everywhere can prefer anything. But neither you nor I can change the state of things: Win32 is the main platform now. And I think it will be some years yet. Maybe Win64 (Microsoft's new platform) will change the things some years later, also Linux may take the market in the future. But now we should stay on the ground and support Win32. And I don't think I must leave sam-users only because I wrote truth. Or should I? regards, Aley Keprt
Re: Forlorn plea...
At 5:21 pm +0100 29/3/99, Psycho Billy wrote: How do you mean, PD yet?? Copyright will not expire, as such, until 72[1] years after the copyright-holder's death. Sorry pedant ;-) - I meant has Colin declared any issues PD, and if not, why not? There can't be much sales volume in issues 1-50 can there? Well like I said, I think issues 1 to 12 are on ftp.nvg already but I doubt there are plans to upload any more. It's all a very hazy area, but to declare those FRED issues as PD would be changing the legal status of some of *my* software. I'm not sure that decision would be in Colin MacDonald's hands, not unless he'd contacted every author of every program on every issue. I don't think so. If Colin MacDonald declare Fred issues as PD, they will be. If we put them onto ftp.nvg we don't need to bother with other copyrights, since we won't change the original Fred issues. If we only put them on the net, we will still have the original Fred issues. Or not? Although we will change the medium from floppy do DSK file, the software (and Fred's magazine is the software, not floppy diskette) will remain unchanged. It is Colin MacDonald's choice, whether he will want to 'distribute' Fred in DSK format instead of regular floppies. But I must mention, that I am NOT a judge, and everything I've wrote is only my opinion. regards, Aley Keprt
Re: Forlorn plea...
On Thu, Mar 25, 1999 at 08:47:13PM +, Andrew Collier wrote: How do you mean, PD yet?? Copyright will not expire, as such, until 72[1] years after the copyright-holder's death. [1] Or was it 75?[2] Actually it is 70 years after the author's death. Wouldn't that be nice? I was going to help convert the .TD0 files to .dsk files myself, but unfortunately my plans were scotched by the relentless march of technology. Of the 7 PCs on my corridor in college (4 people's rooms...) not a single stupid one of them would run teledisk properly. So there's nothing I can convert Perhaps I ought to try it on mine one of these days. imc
Re: Forlorn plea...
At 5:21 pm +0100 29/3/99, Psycho Billy wrote: How do you mean, PD yet?? Copyright will not expire, as such, until 72[1] years after the copyright-holder's death. Sorry pedant ;-) - I meant has Colin declared any issues PD, and if not, why not? There can't be much sales volume in issues 1-50 can there? Well like I said, I think issues 1 to 12 are on ftp.nvg already but I doubt there are plans to upload any more. It's all a very hazy area, but to declare those FRED issues as PD would be changing the legal status of some of *my* software. I'm not sure that decision would be in Colin MacDonald's hands, not unless he'd contacted every author of every program on every issue. Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he ++-+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides
Re: Forlorn plea...
IIR It ended up with Saturn Software - who basically said blow it and passed it to George Boyle David L -Original Message- From: Psycho Billy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 29 March 1999 16:27 Subject: Re: Forlorn plea... Thanks for using NetForward! http://www.netforward.com v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v Hello - I've just found out that there were 21 issues made of SAM2Sam. Which is a bit of a surprise. Hang about... Sam2Sam was *your* magazine, wasn't it?? How can there be any more issues than you know about, did you compile them in your sleep or something? Gave the rights to another guy - forget his name now - on the deal that me and Rob would see each new issue before it was published. Kind of a quality control thing. Obivously, he never bothered to keep his part of the deal. How do you mean, PD yet?? Copyright will not expire, as such, until 72[1] years after the copyright-holder's death. Sorry pedant ;-) - I meant has Colin declared any issues PD, and if not, why not? There can't be much sales volume in issues 1-50 can there? | Andrew Collier | email [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he ++-+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides Peace, Love, Kisses... JohnnaPig Teare JPOL: http://johnnapig.webjump.com It won't get better but it might never get worse...
Re: Forlorn plea...
Hello - I've just found out that there were 21 issues made of SAM2Sam. Which is a bit of a surprise. Hang about... Sam2Sam was *your* magazine, wasn't it?? How can there be any more issues than you know about, did you compile them in your sleep or something? Gave the rights to another guy - forget his name now - on the deal that me and Rob would see each new issue before it was published. Kind of a quality control thing. Obivously, he never bothered to keep his part of the deal. How do you mean, PD yet?? Copyright will not expire, as such, until 72[1] years after the copyright-holder's death. Sorry pedant ;-) - I meant has Colin declared any issues PD, and if not, why not? There can't be much sales volume in issues 1-50 can there? | Andrew Collier | email [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he ++-+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides Peace, Love, Kisses... JohnnaPig Teare JPOL: http://johnnapig.webjump.com It won't get better but it might never get worse...
Re: Forlorn plea...
Hello - I've just found out that there were 21 issues made of SAM2Sam. Which is a bit of a surprise. Hang about... Sam2Sam was *your* magazine, wasn't it?? How can there be any more issues than you know about, did you compile them in your sleep or something? Any news on previous issues of FRED? Are they PD yet? If so, we should try and get them up on nvg. I think issues 1 to 12 are up already. I doubt there are plans to upload any more. How do you mean, PD yet?? Copyright will not expire, as such, until 72[1] years after the copyright-holder's death. Yet, I suppose, if the copyright-holder declared FRED to be PD, then it would be such. But that isn't as easy as it might sound, because I _think_ the authors of the individual programs are currently the copyright-holders, and not Colin MacDonald or Persona the current owners. Then again, IANAL.[3] It's all a bit hazy - but certainly I didn't sign any sort of copyright release when I submitted my programs to FRED. I'd assume I implicitly granted permission for my program to distributed, for that month, on the disk magazine, but I think the copyright on the program would still be owned by me. If the magazine as a whole were distributed online, that might be viewed as a violation of my copyright on my program. Personally of course, I'd have no particular objection to that, but I can see why it might cause problems. [1] Or was it 75?[2] [2] 50? [3] I am not a numbe^H^H^H^H^H^H lawyer. And one other thing - why not start converting nvg files to .dsk format seeing as it is just as easy to use on a PC, and yet can also be back-written onto a SAM format disk. Wouldn't that be nice? I was going to help convert the .TD0 files to .dsk files myself, but unfortunately my plans were scotched by the relentless march of technology. Of the 7 PCs on my corridor in college (4 people's rooms...) not a single stupid one of them would run teledisk properly. So there's nothing I can convert One other related thing... I know I've asked this before, but there's been a bit of a rollover of list subscribers since then so maybe somone new can help with this: Did anyone buy (and still has a copy of) the ILLUSION PD disk from Sam PD? I want to make it available online, but I no longer seem to have my original copy and I can't remember exactly what I put on it (I think Derek changed bits of it anyway - added a proper menu, and instructions and things. I never really sent him a finished disk, just the accumulated programs and bits of junk I'd never seen fit to use anywhere else) Just a few quick thoughts - this list is almost as dead as the computer it is supporting at the moment... ;-) Dead?! Whimper... Are you sure it's not just pining for the fjords? Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he ++-+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides
RE: Forlorn plea...
At 2:21 pm + 25/3/99, Aley Keprt wrote: [Gavin Smith wrote:] Agreed! Although it's still quite hard to get SAM formatted disks from my floppyless iMac... You don't need formatted samdisks on PC. It is possible to format floppy disk on the PC (of course), and then you can put the sad/dsk on it. You can look to my web page for more information. Depends exactly what he's using them for... the raw .dsk files are all very fine and well for use in SimCoupe, but I suspect Gavin is trying to use the disk images in a real Sam, so they really need to go on a more solid medium. Gavin - if it helps, I've got a (really quite quickly hacked together) Mac program which will let you [retrieve files from | store files in] a .dsk image... that may or may not be useful, depending on exactly what you're trying to achieve! I *think* something very similar exists for other O/Ss already... but if someone wants to look at my source, I can put it up somewhere. There's just a couple of functions which will need to be changed in order to run it on other platforms... I would be really happy if someone will convert at least teledisk files to sad/dsk (The Lyra III etc.). The Lyra 3 is already there in .dsk format. That was done weeks ago. I know, because I did it myself. (As you know, you cannot assign one suffix to several programs in Win32. And since Win32 is the main op.system in the world, we should follow its rules.) If everybody took that attitude, there's no reason to be on this mailing list... Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he ++-+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides
Re: Forlorn plea...
Andrew Collier wrote: [Gavin Smith wrote:] Agreed! Although it's still quite hard to get SAM formatted disks from my floppyless iMac... You don't need formatted samdisks on PC. It is possible to format floppy disk on the PC (of course), and then you can put the sad/dsk on it. You can look to my web page for more information. Depends exactly what he's using them for... the raw .dsk files are all very fine and well for use in SimCoupe, but I suspect Gavin is trying to use the disk images in a real Sam, so they really need to go on a more solid medium. I think the original poster (Johnna??) wanted the files as .dsk files, for convenience, I was merely agreeing with them, whilst adding that it doesn't really matter to me anyway, as I have an iMac which doesn't have a floppy drive... Gavin - if it helps, I've got a (really quite quickly hacked together) Mac program which will let you [retrieve files from | store files in] a .dsk image... that may or may not be useful, depending on exactly what you're trying to achieve! See above, but thanks anyway, I'll keep it in mind if I ever get a floppy drive for the iMac (I was considering getting a SuperDisk - the one which can accept normal floppies as well as their own 120 Meg format. (As you know, you cannot assign one suffix to several programs in Win32. And since Win32 is the main op.system in the world, we should follow its rules.) If everybody took that attitude, there's no reason to be on this mailing list... Entirely agreed! *pats his Speccy, SAM, iMac, Electron and (dead) Linux box.* Gavin
RE: Forlorn plea...
Aley Keprt wrote: (As you know, you cannot assign one suffix to several programs in Win32. There can only be one associated application to handle a double click, but there's no reason why we can't use a shell extension DLL that adds one or more items to the context menu when you right click on a .DSK file. We just need to be able to recognise which files are for us - we can even have different icons for both cases too. And since Win32 is the main op.system in the world, we should follow its rules.) Be careful with statements like that! ;-) Personally I prefer Linux to Win32, but unfortunately I work all day under M$ Windows and most of my games only run under it, so Win32 stuff is just more convenient! Si
RE: Forlorn plea...
And one other thing - why not start converting nvg files to .dsk format seeing as it is just as easy to use on a PC, and yet can also be back-written onto a SAM format disk. Agreed! Although it's still quite hard to get SAM formatted disks from my floppyless iMac... Gavin You don't need formatted samdisks on PC. It is possible to format floppy disk on the PC (of course), and then you can put the sad/dsk on it. You can look to my web page for more information. btw. I have still problems with Teledisk - it doesn't work on my machine. Although some of my friends use it, but not on my machine. wwg... I would be really happy if someone will convert at least teledisk files to sad/dsk (The Lyra III etc.). Also, I'm planning to update SimCoupe to let it support ZIP-packed SAD/DSK files. This could keep some space on your hard drives, folks. The only problem is that DSK file type is registered to other emulators. eg. ZX32 uses it for ZX128k/+3 disk images. So I suppose using our SAD/DSK files with common suffix SAD. (As you know, you cannot assign one suffix to several programs in Win32. And since Win32 is the main op.system in the world, we should follow its rules.) regards, Aley Keprt Aley [eili] Keprt - student, programmer (audio software etc.) phone: +420-68-538 70 35 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] !! !!! Long mails 30KB send to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] !!! !! THE BEST WWW PAGES http://www.bigfoot.com/~AleyKeprt
