Re: CSBlack Salve Psoriasis?
Eczema's more of a damp heat condition. - Original Message - From: Lisa blacksa...@comcast.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 3:04 PM Subject: RE: CSBlack Salve Psoriasis? Now this is interesting :o) So are you taking the kefir, letting it hang and then squeeze it more for the cheese and using the whey which would then have a lot of the kefir in it (just not in chunks/yogurt softness stuff -- to put it in some way)? Since it cleared up his scalp (I'm assuming that since you say you used it as a hair rinse and not a body rinse) -- why wouldn't it clear up body patches also? Brilliant...I wonder if it would help with my kid's eczema?!?! Lisa -Original Message- From: Sara Mandal-Joy [mailto:smjl...@wavewls.com] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 3:23 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSBlack Salve Psoriasis? I healed my son's psoriasis using kefir whey as a hair rinse - I'd shampoo first (using homemade soap) and rinse well, then pour a quart of whey diluted with warm water - about a cup of kefir to 3 cups water - over his hair, rub it in to the scalp. It took a couple weeks to fully clear up, but did. Nothing else I tried, including intensive prescriptions, worked. Worth a try. Kefir is easy to make and to separate. The resulting cream cheese is delicious, leaving the whey for treatment. Sara -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRe: Psoriasis?
Hi Sara, Instead of having to wait hours for your kefir to drain from the handkerchiefs or sackcloth, try using a nylon strainer. Then all you have to do is scrape down the sides of the strainer around the kefir buds. I use a rubber spatula to scrape with. You can also use a non-metal colander that has small holes. I definitely like your idea of the use of a large plastic funnel into which the nylon strainer is placed. That would be quick, clean, and simple. Then I could just stick the funnel into a glass milk bottle. Very cool. SMax -Original Message- From: Sara Mandal-Joy [mailto:smjl...@wavewls.com] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 1:17 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: Psoriasis? There is no much actual kefir left in the whey, after separating it. You could use the whole kefir, without separating it, I'm guessing, though it might be hard to rinse out. It is the whey, dripped out, leaving all the thicker creamy particles behind, that is the medicinal aspect.I drain the kefir in a large plastic funnel - the size used for pouring oil into a car. I use two cotton handkerchiefs, or one large cotton/sackcloth kitchen towel folded in four - prefer the handkerchiefs, easier to rinse out. I line the funnel with these, and pour the finished kefir in. After a few hours most of the whey will have dripped out and be useable. Some folks like the cream cheese at that consistency, others gather the draining cloth into a ball and hang it till it reaches the consistency they desire, or even press it for a hard cheese. I never go to all that trouble. We love it as a soft cream cheese, and get plenty of medicinal whey this way. I am guessing you could use it as a body rinse, for skin problems elsewhere - perhaps even just add it to the bathwater and let them have a good soak? Oh, one thing you should be aware of if you try this on the scalp, that as you are first working the whey into the hair, it is good to cover the eyes with a washcloth or something, as the whey can sting if it gets in the eyes. After working it in and rinsing, it leaves hair shiny and soft as well. I don't have scalp problems, but also use this as a hair rinse because it works so well. Sara On 12/4/2010 3:04 PM, Lisa wrote: Now this is interesting :o) So are you taking the kefir, letting it hang and then squeeze it more for the cheese and using the whey which would then have a lot of the kefir in it (just not in chunks/yogurt softness stuff -- to put it in some way)? Since it cleared up his scalp (I'm assuming that since you say you used it as a hair rinse and not a body rinse) -- why wouldn't it clear up body patches also? Brilliant...I wonder if it would help with my kid's eczema?!?! Lisa -Original Message- From: Sara Mandal-Joy [mailto:smjl...@wavewls.com] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 3:23 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSBlack Salve Psoriasis? I healed my son's psoriasis using kefir whey as a hair rinse - I'd shampoo first (using homemade soap) and rinse well, then pour a quart of whey diluted with warm water - about a cup of kefir to 3 cups water - over his hair, rub it in to the scalp. It took a couple weeks to fully clear up, but did. Nothing else I tried, including intensive prescriptions, worked. Worth a try. Kefir is easy to make and to separate. The resulting cream cheese is delicious, leaving the whey for treatment. Sara -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions:mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devourmailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSblack salve
The ones I have looked at Tel, have been somewhere in the region of $60 or more - for just a tiny tub. I agree that $15 is not at all expensive and worth every penny if it has the desired effect--even with postage. dee On 4 Dec 2010, at 17:52, Tel Tofflemire wrote: Dee A- $15.00 tub is not expensive for a cancer removal, It will last for years, and the tub for $29.00 is huge for animals, or someone who has tons of skin cancer to work with for weeks. Oh I have seen rio off's @ $59.00 a tub same size as my $15.00 tub. You have to trust the Herbalist who you work with. Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSblack salve, value, Values
So you don't think that $69 is expensive for a tub of around an ounce or so? I was just asking the very thing that you have mentioned i.e. is there any really special process it has to go through to justify such an expense--that's all. I believe Tel's product is nowhere near as expensive as this from his reply--but the postage would be prohibitive from him as - he kindly informed - me which is why I have been looking at other sites. dee On 4 Dec 2010, at 18:25, Malcolm wrote: Well, look at the other side. If it were easy, you could go down to the local pharmacy and buy it in a tube or bottle, or the thousands of tubes or bottles. Here's someone who's put a great deal of time and effort into learning how to do something of high value, and do it well. They know you probably won't need much of it to do what you need to do, and they know there is expense and time in getting the right ingredients at the right time and the right condition, and combining them correctly. They want to make a living for doing something worthwhile. Now, from your point of view; Why should you look to those competing in the race to the bottom line, rather than those doing something well??? You're not rich?? Well, I'll betcha neither is Tel. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBlack Salve skin cancer cure
Even this is $49 for a tiny pot. dee On 4 Dec 2010, at 23:51, Rayvencall wrote: Maybe this will help some people here it's from the Canasema site dated Aug. 2004 The site was shut down Sept 2004 by the FDA http://web.archive.org/web/20040802225311/www.herbhealers.com/cansema.htm The web archive has a wealth of info from long departed web sites http://www.archive.org/web/web.php Phyllis -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSInternational shipping Black Salve skin cancer cure
Shipping over seas isn't all that expensive if you don't use UPS and it's rare that small packages are opened or if valued under $20, taxed heavily if at all. UPS custom customs facilities are very fast, but cost the receiver a fortune that no one on the senders end knows you will pay. USPS Green Forms with cheap 1st Class /Air Mail are easy, descriptions can be vague and generalized and good for anything under 4 pounds and $400..reasonably fast and, so far, quite as reliable as the destination countries postal service. ..no tracking or insurance, but in 10 years of using it [and no shipping license], maybe one lost box. Any doubts? Make the package look personal and generic...like a gift to a friend. For light compact items, it's inexpensive..about the same as Coast to Coast Priority Mail in the USA For 6 ounces to Australia: [About as far as a package can go without heading back] http://ircalc.usps.gov/MailServices.aspx?country=10013m=2p=0o=6#First-Class Mail® International Large Envelope* Maximum Value for Contents: $400.00 javascript:AddLgEnvCharacteristics();First-Class Mail International Package prices apply to Large Envelopes that are rigid, nonrectangular, or not uniformly thick. Max. length 15, height 12 or thickness 3/4 $5.44 Same price to the UK. Carolina to California via Priority Mail: http://postcalc.usps.gov/MailServices.aspx?m=1p=0o=6dz=90210oz=27330pob=0MailingDate=12/6/2010MailingTime=8:00%20AM#Priority Mail® $5.55 Hint: Never make a bureaucrat try to think. If a description is short, vague, hand written and barely legible, it likely won't even be read. The mundane in appearance, gets mundane approval. Ode At 01:46 PM 12/4/2010 +, you wrote: Thanks Tel. dee On 3 Dec 2010, at 21:21, Tel Tofflemire wrote: Dear Dee, I do not apply for out of country shipping license with my Homeopathic Remedies @ Quailwood Herbal LLC. The main reason is, Shipping costs more than the product most of the time, and we are so busy with new repeat customers, that I just never checked on over sea's shipping. I know it's high though? Thanks for asking. Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, December 3, 2010 8:09:46 AM Subject: Re: CSBlack Salve skin cancer cure Hi Tel, can you tell me approximately the cost of sending one of these small tubs to Surrey in the UK? I ask because sometimes the cost is prohibitive from the US. Many thanks. dee On 3 Dec 2010, at 13:56, Tel Tofflemire wrote: You are so right on Jimmie Cairn, I have been applying my special 4 Herb Black Salve for aprox 20 years, average price to remove skin cancer is $15.00 plus shipping, (one small tub) That is a lot less than even one visit to a Dr. not counting the Cutting-Burning-Meds-and the rest of Dr's billing. Works on Pets too, very easy to apply on Horses, Cattle, Dogs, Cats, I just got 4 orders for Black salve yesterday, most of them are repeat customers, I suspect Christmas gifts for friends? I always send full written instructions with every order. http://www.quailwoodherbal.com Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSblack salve, value, Values
Dee, from what I remember of alpha/omega labs video on making black salve, it's not so much that it's cost of ingredients--or even time to make--but that you can't just buy some of the ingredients (in their BS anyway) in small amounts. You have to buy one or two in large amounts. Because it keeps they made big batches. It pretty much sounded like you'd also have to do that at home--so that you'd have a LOT of BS around, and would therefore need to sell it because you'd never in your life use it up. In fact, that's why the containers are so small--you need so little. With their BS (don't know about Ted's) you only put it on twice, to any cancer spot. Therefore, how much would a person ever need? If you are trying to justify the pricing, look at it as a one time purchase. Buy it once and you never have to buy it again. Of course you can look around and find cheaper companies--but you have to buy from someone you trust, because anyone can slap together a salve and call it black salve cancer killer. Doesn't mean it IS that. In fact, there was a company that started selling BS as though they were alpha/omega lab salve, and their salve didn't work. Who knows how many people may have died of skin and other cancers because they purchased this 'fake' BS? Buy from someone you trust, or make your own. Making your own might be cheaper--but once you have to buy x number of ingredients to make yours, it may wind up being cheaper in the end to just buy from a trusted supplier. Only you can decide after a search on the cost of the ingredients for making your own. Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- So you don't think that $69 is expensive for a tub of around an ounce or so? I was just asking the very thing that you have mentioned i.e. is there any really special process it has to go through to justify such an expense--that s all.
Re: CSblack salve, value, Values
Excuse me Dee for jumping into your business, however if you think that Tel's product may work with and for you, why in God's name are you hung up on the cost of getting it - you pay Tel for the shipping to England or buy a carrier pigeon This is what fascinates me about humans, as my mother used to say, penny wise pound foolish - cheers and have a wonderful day Regards Sandee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSInternational shipping Black Salve skin cancer cure
Ode once again I love you - so very very true, if you cannot beat em join them, or use their own game against them Is this what they call the fun of life Regards, have a wonderful snowy day in your Carolina part of the woods Sandee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2010 #900
That's amazing Melly. I wonder if the core of the banana leaves you find in the store would work? They are certainly cheap enough. You did mean the leaves and not the 'stem' of the plant, right? Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- From: Melly Bag Date: 12/4/2010 10:35:25 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2010 #900 Renee, They beat up the core and wrap the remaining finger. I think they change it every other day (not sure). This is done in rural areas where there is no medical help. But the thing is, it works -- the fingertip would regenerate and grow a bit of nails too. Melly --- On Fri, 12/3/10, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote: From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #900 To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com Date: Friday, December 3, 2010, 4:14 PM
Re: CSRe: Psoriasis?
Um, no, I was talking about straining the finished kefir, not separating the kefir from the grains. I use a plastic strainer to do that and it takes seconds to do. I am refering to then separating the finished kefir, which does take hours or even weeks if you are looking for a harder cheese. Sara On 12/5/2010 3:00 AM, s...@emotap.com wrote: Hi Sara, Instead of having to wait hours for your kefir to drain from the handkerchiefs or sackcloth, try using a nylon strainer. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBlack Salve Psoriasis? Helen
How effective for psoriasis? Did you see any clients get improvement? My son has terrible psoriasis his forehead/scalps/neck. Helen Hi Helen, one of the best things I have given people to help them with psoriasis is What I call Brooks Mix It was posted on this site by a very knowledgeable fellow who does lots of research on many different things.. This is his recipe 75% CS---10% DMSO---15% glycerin --Mix the CS glycerin first then add the DMSO Before each use shake it up as it does tend to separate You can reduce the % of DMSO if it seems too strong for him... I use a shot glass to mix-- 3 shots of CS a shot of DMSO a little over a shot of glycerin. Hope it might help, Lois
Re: CSInternational shipping Black Salve skin cancer cure
Thanks for this info Ode and it tallies with what I was thinking. I've never understood how I can get supplements from iHerb which is in California right over the other side of the US--for $4 when other places much, much closer charge far more than the cost of the actual product being ordered. I have never lost a package using this method. dee On 5 Dec 2010, at 11:18, Ode Coyote wrote: Shipping over seas isn't all that expensive if you don't use UPS and it's rare that small packages are opened or if valued under $20, taxed heavily if at all. UPS custom customs facilities are very fast, but cost the receiver a fortune that no one on the senders end knows you will pay. USPS Green Forms with cheap 1st Class /Air Mail are easy, descriptions can be vague and generalized and good for anything under 4 pounds and $400..reasonably fast and, so far, quite as reliable as the destination countries postal service. ..no tracking or insurance, but in 10 years of using it [and no shipping license], maybe one lost box. Any doubts? Make the package look personal and generic...like a gift to a friend. For light compact items, it's inexpensive..about the same as Coast to Coast Priority Mail in the USA For 6 ounces to Australia: [About as far as a package can go without heading back] http://ircalc.usps.gov/MailServices.aspx?country=10013m=2p=0o=6#First-Class Mail® International Large Envelope* Maximum Value for Contents: $400.00 javascript:AddLgEnvCharacteristics();First-Class Mail International Package prices apply to Large Envelopes that are rigid, nonrectangular, or not uniformly thick. Max. length 15, height 12 or thickness 3/4 $5.44 Same price to the UK. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSblack salve, value, Values
Thanks Renee. dee On 5 Dec 2010, at 14:54, Renee wrote: Dee, from what I remember of alpha/omega labs video on making black salve, it's not so much that it's cost of ingredients--or even time to make--but that you can't just buy some of the ingredients (in their BS anyway) in small amounts. You have to buy one or two in large amounts. Because it keeps they made big batches. It pretty much sounded like you'd also have to do that at home--so that you'd have a LOT of BS around, and would therefore need to sell it because you'd never in your life use it up. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSblack salve, value, Values
All well and good, providing you have the money to do this. I have - on occasion - been about to order a product which cost say$12 and when the shipping charge became apparent it jumped the cost up by $50! As Tel himself doesn't actually know how much it could cost, then I'm afraid I don't have the resources to do this. Simple. As I don't actually need the salve at the moment and am only conducting an exercise just in case I should - then the point is moot. Not everyone who looks at the cost of things is penny pinching either - some are just plain poor. dee On 5 Dec 2010, at 15:16, Sandee George wrote: Excuse me Dee for jumping into your business, however if you think that Tel's product may work with and for you, why in God's name are you hung up on the cost of getting it - you pay Tel for the shipping to England or buy a carrier pigeon This is what fascinates me about humans, as my mother used to say, penny wise pound foolish - cheers and have a wonderful day Regards Sandee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSblack salve, Values
Hi Rowena, Just goes to show ya; money's just buttons, the guvmint is the button factory, some folks think if you've got more buttons in your basket you're better. The rest is tiddley-winks . . . . not truth nor health. Take care, Malcolm On Sun, 2010-12-05 at 12:30 +0800, Rowena wrote: Over in Queensland, Australia, apparently, the local cockies (farmers), if they get skin cancer, just apply Cansema. As I understand it, whatever brand it is they just call it Cansema, like the Brits call a vacuum cleaner a Hoover. Queenslander Bevan Potter, who had failed skin cancer surgery on his face, got results with Cansema and when the original maker went to prison, he kept the faith by making it up and selling it and other herbs on a website he put up, Centreforce. Well, I heard that a pharmacy - in Brisbane, I think - is also making up a cancer salve, but are charging three or four hundred dollars, whereas Brendan is selling it for, from memory, fifty or sixty, or maybe less. I got mine from a Vet in Perth, Western Australia, but it was made by Centreforce. We've used it successfully for five years. It dried out, but is effective still. R Well, look at the other side. If it were easy, you could go down to the local pharmacy and buy it in a tube or bottle, or the thousands of tubes or bottles. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSblack salve, value, Values
A small tub of salve could ship with Priority Mail for $4.95. Pretty cheap. I make psoriasis salve, remedies for burns, and lush body butters that ship for that amount. Remember the ads, If it fits, it ships/ You can fit a lot into one of their boxes. The last thing I want is to ship UPS - I shipped three boxed of household goods to a friend of a friend who was burned out and lost everything. Cost me as much as the goods were worth. Gayla - Original Message - From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 10:30 AM Subject: Re: CSblack salve, value, Values All well and good, providing you have the money to do this. I have - on occasion - been about to order a product which cost say$12 and when the shipping charge became apparent it jumped the cost up by $50! As Tel himself doesn't actually know how much it could cost, then I'm afraid I don't have the resources to do this. Simple. As I don't actually need the salve at the moment and am only conducting an exercise just in case I should - then the point is moot. Not everyone who looks at the cost of things is penny pinching either - some are just plain poor. dee On 5 Dec 2010, at 15:16, Sandee George wrote: Excuse me Dee for jumping into your business, however if you think that Tel's product may work with and for you, why in God's name are you hung up on the cost of getting it - you pay Tel for the shipping to England or buy a carrier pigeon This is what fascinates me about humans, as my mother used to say, penny wise pound foolish - cheers and have a wonderful day Regards Sandee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSblack salve, Values
A friend said many years ago, Money is just a way of keeping score. I like that concept. Gayla - Original Message - From: Malcolm s...@asis.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 10:47 AM Subject: Re: CSblack salve, Values Hi Rowena, Just goes to show ya; money's just buttons, the guvmint is the button factory, some folks think if you've got more buttons in your basket you're better. The rest is tiddley-winks . . . . not truth nor health. Take care, Malcolm On Sun, 2010-12-05 at 12:30 +0800, Rowena wrote: Over in Queensland, Australia, apparently, the local cockies (farmers), if they get skin cancer, just apply Cansema. As I understand it, whatever brand it is they just call it Cansema, like the Brits call a vacuum cleaner a Hoover. Queenslander Bevan Potter, who had failed skin cancer surgery on his face, got results with Cansema and when the original maker went to prison, he kept the faith by making it up and selling it and other herbs on a website he put up, Centreforce. Well, I heard that a pharmacy - in Brisbane, I think - is also making up a cancer salve, but are charging three or four hundred dollars, whereas Brendan is selling it for, from memory, fifty or sixty, or maybe less. I got mine from a Vet in Perth, Western Australia, but it was made by Centreforce. We've used it successfully for five years. It dried out, but is effective still. R Well, look at the other side. If it were easy, you could go down to the local pharmacy and buy it in a tube or bottle, or the thousands of tubes or bottles. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSDry Eyes Protocol
Recently, prompted by several inquiries about any dry eyes research we might have conducted earlier I have deemed it worthwhile to make this post. Circa 1996 to 2004, we conducted a number of limited investigations on substances useful in addressing dry eye challenges. Early-on we discovered that a majority of commercially-available products were based upon the principal ingredient Carbamide is synthetic urine...but the pharma trade avoids informing the public of this slight duplicity. Long ago our investigations confirmed the value of human urine in addressing a number of health maintenance and pathogenic treatment modalities. One effective protocol which surfaced early-on was the efficacy of employing self-produced urine as a principal or adjunctive address for almost any challenge affected by variations in saline or saline-buffered fluids required by the body for health maintenace ...most especially in cases involving pronounced variations in body hydrology. Among these, dry eyes...especially among the geriatric population'. proved to be quite responsive to a DIY protocol we developed. Simple in nature, but very effective in resultthis methodology involved nothing more than the combination of electrically-isolated colloidal silver and the volunteer's own urine sample. The protocol proper: Using urine obtained from a mid-stream-catch (e.g. near the middle of the evacuation) , mix with 5 to 10 ppm EIS at a ratio of 2 parts urine to 1 part EIS. Place in eye-dropper bottle and store either at room temperature or refrigerate if desired (not a requirement unless very long storage is anticipated). Application was once just before retiring at night and once immediately upon rising from night's sleep. The results were splendid..equal to or superior to Murine and similar commercial products and at enormous cost-savings. e.g. Murine at $21.00 per ounce and the DIY product so cheap only an estimate of less than 5 cents could be made. Dry eyes can vary from a slight inconvenience to major complications. Some cases of chronic systemic dehydration result in the eye surfaces (due to tear fluid insufficiency) becoming so dry that the person experiences severe discomfort from the friction of the lid against the eyeball proper. Sometimes, even mild fluid deficiencies results in the eye-lids .sticking together so securely they require on use their fingers to separate them. Some volunteer cases required the protocol to be used as frequently as once every two waking hours...but this was the exception. Comment of substance: It is not recommended that the urine sample used be heated or denatured in any wayprior to or after incorporation into the CS solution. Uncontaminated urine is of itself.quite sterile. I hope this simple protocol is of some value to the list membership. It has proven to be quite helpful to many of our volunteers-- most especially the older ones. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSblack salve, value, Values
Hi Dee, I meant no offense to you. I think Everything is expensive and getting more so. g Looks like Ode has the answer for you re: shipping. Also, I get it that you don't want to be stuck with some scammer's new and improved Magic Fairy Dust. My point was that price is no longer a valid way to judge quality, if ever it was. Take care, Malcolm On Sun, 2010-12-05 at 12:29 +, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: So you don't think that $69 is expensive for a tub of around an ounce or so? I was just asking the very thing that you have mentioned i.e. is there any really special process it has to go through to justify such an expense--that's all. I believe Tel's product is nowhere near as expensive as this from his reply--but the postage would be prohibitive from him as - he kindly informed - me which is why I have been looking at other sites. dee On 4 Dec 2010, at 18:25, Malcolm wrote: Well, look at the other side. If it were easy, you could go down to the local pharmacy and buy it in a tube or bottle, or the thousands of tubes or bottles. Here's someone who's put a great deal of time and effort into learning how to do something of high value, and do it well. They know you probably won't need much of it to do what you need to do, and they know there is expense and time in getting the right ingredients at the right time and the right condition, and combining them correctly. They want to make a living for doing something worthwhile. Now, from your point of view; Why should you look to those competing in the race to the bottom line, rather than those doing something well??? You're not rich?? Well, I'll betcha neither is Tel. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSblack salve, value, Values
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote: All well and good, providing you have the money to do this. I have - on occasion - been about to order a product which cost say$12 and when the shipping charge became apparent it jumped the cost up by $50! I know where you're coming from Dee. It also really annoys me that if I budget for something and go ahead and buy it, when it gets into this country, if it's over $28 INCLUDING shipping, I'm charged tax on it. Now the tax is one thing, it may only be a few dollars but my Post Office charges me a minimum of $15 handling charge on top of that before I can pick up the item. cheers Kirsteen
Re: CSblack salve, value, Values
May I suggest that you look for friends (or friends of friends) who are coming over , who may be willing to pick it up here and bring it over. This might work out ok if you are in no great hurry. Regards hg Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: All well and good, providing you have the money to do this. I have - on occasion - been about to order a product which cost say$12 and when the shipping charge became apparent it jumped the cost up by $50! As Tel himself doesn't actually know how much it could cost, then I'm afraid I don't have the resources to do this. Simple. As I don't actually need the salve at the moment and am only conducting an exercise just in case I should - then the point is moot. Not everyone who looks at the cost of things is penny pinching either - some are just plain poor. dee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRe: Psoriasis?
Gotcha! I misunderstood. I have never done that. Is that how you make your own cream cheese? --- From: Sara Mandal-Joy Um, no, I was talking about straining the finished kefir, not separating the kefir from the grains. I use a plastic strainer to do that and it takes seconds to do. I am refering to then separating the finished kefir, which does take hours or even weeks if you are looking for a harder cheese. Sara -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSDry Eyes Protocol
My dog had dry eye that went away with a raw diet and not grains. Some say it is triggered by vaccinations though. Louise -Original Message- From: Brooks Bradley [mailto:bradlebro...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 2:02 PM To: Silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSDry Eyes Protocol Recently, prompted by several inquiries about any dry eyes research we might have conducted earlier I have deemed it worthwhile to make this post. Circa 1996 to 2004, we conducted a number of limited investigations on substances useful in addressing dry eye challenges. Early-on we discovered that a majority of commercially-available products were based upon the principal ingredient Carbamide is synthetic urine...but the pharma trade avoids informing the public of this slight duplicity. Long ago our investigations confirmed the value of human urine in addressing a number of health maintenance and pathogenic treatment modalities. One effective protocol which surfaced early-on was the efficacy of employing self-produced urine as a principal or adjunctive address for almost any challenge affected by variations in saline or saline-buffered fluids required by the body for health maintenace ...most especially in cases involving pronounced variations in body hydrology. Among these, dry eyes...especially among the geriatric population'. proved to be quite responsive to a DIY protocol we developed. Simple in nature, but very effective in resultthis methodology involved nothing more than the combination of electrically-isolated colloidal silver and the volunteer's own urine sample. The protocol proper: Using urine obtained from a mid-stream-catch (e.g. near the middle of the evacuation) , mix with 5 to 10 ppm EIS at a ratio of 2 parts urine to 1 part EIS. Place in eye-dropper bottle and store either at room temperature or refrigerate if desired (not a requirement unless very long storage is anticipated). Application was once just before retiring at night and once immediately upon rising from night's sleep. The results were splendid..equal to or superior to Murine and similar commercial products and at enormous cost-savings. e.g. Murine at $21.00 per ounce and the DIY product so cheap only an estimate of less than 5 cents could be made. Dry eyes can vary from a slight inconvenience to major complications. Some cases of chronic systemic dehydration result in the eye surfaces (due to tear fluid insufficiency) becoming so dry that the person experiences severe discomfort from the friction of the lid against the eyeball proper. Sometimes, even mild fluid deficiencies results in the eye-lids .sticking together so securely they require on use their fingers to separate them. Some volunteer cases required the protocol to be used as frequently as once every two waking hours...but this was the exception. Comment of substance: It is not recommended that the urine sample used be heated or denatured in any wayprior to or after incorporation into the CS solution. Uncontaminated urine is of itself.quite sterile. I hope this simple protocol is of some value to the list membership. It has proven to be quite helpful to many of our volunteers-- most especially the older ones. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDry Eyes Protocol
Brooks for sure this is very helpful, however in my case as I told you, by stopping the DSMO added to the EIS, my eyes are back to normal, however I know this info. will be extremely useful to someone and maybe myself for the future, once again many many thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge with us all here on this list it is greatly appreciated. Warmest regards Sandee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Psoriasis?
Yes, it is called leban, and is delicious. Longer you let it drain the firmer/harder it gets. Can press it for a hard cheese. I like it as a fairly soft cream cheese. You can flavor it as you like - our favorite is with bits of onion and hot pepper, but a sweet cream cheese with cinnamon and stevia is also really good. Sara On 12/5/2010 3:44 PM, s...@emotap.com wrote: Gotcha! I misunderstood. I have never done that. Is that how you make your own cream cheese? --- From: Sara Mandal-Joy Um, no, I was talking about straining the finished kefir, not separating the kefir from the grains. I use a plastic strainer to do that and it takes seconds to do. I am refering to then separating the finished kefir, which does take hours or even weeks if you are looking for a harder cheese. Sara -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions:mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devourmailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDry Eyes Protocol
Very interesting! When my eyes are very dry, I seem to have trouble with vision, too. The eye doc said he could tell by looking that I have a problem with dry eyes. Now if only I could find some help for tinnitus which seems to be getting worse. Thanks, Pat -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDry Eyes Protocol
Dear Pat, I too have tinnitus, both kinds, the hissing and the pulsatile. (The former came from my Pug yapping in my ears, which did damage to the inner ears.) It`s annoying, but I can live with it. It is the latter which is driving me CRAZY!!! That horrible grinding, pulsing noise in my right ear makes it difficult to sleep. I can turn it down by sticking my shoulder into my neck to turn off much of the blood flow through the jugular vein, but it doesn`t last long. Fortunately, I discovered that a spritz of Nasonex (an allergy med.) in the right nostril will ease it; apparently it lessens the swelling on that side, so I can finally sleep. (I`m wondering if the large thyroid nodules I have on that side are the cause of the noise. My ENT doesn`t know for sure. He wants to remove that half of the gland; I`d be glad to have it done IF it will stop the noise!) I hope this`ll help! Marshalee On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 7:02 PM, Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com wrote: Very interesting! When my eyes are very dry, I seem to have trouble with vision, too. The eye doc said he could tell by looking that I have a problem with dry eyes. Now if only I could find some help for tinnitus which seems to be getting worse. Thanks, Pat
Re: CSblack salve, value, Values
Renee's right! I've had my container for over 5 years and it's mostly full. Used it for two cancers on the skin. Geez, $50 to get rid of CANCER! Where in the world are your priorities??? Chuck Marriage changes passion...suddenly you're in bed with a relative! On 12/5/2010 9:54:16 AM, Renee (gaiac...@gmail.com) wrote: Dee, from what I remember of alpha/omega labs video on making black salve, it's not so much that it's cost of ingredients--or even time to make--but that you can't just buy some of the ingredients (in their BS anyway) in small amounts. You have to buy one or two in large amounts. Because it keeps they made big batches. It pretty much sounded like you'd also have to do that at home--so that you'd have a LOT of BS around, and would therefore need to sell it because you'd never in your life use it up. In fact, that's why the containers are so small--you need so little. With their BS (don't know about Ted's) you only put it on twice, to any cancer spot. Therefore, how much would a person ever need? If you are trying to justify the pricing, look at it as a one time purchase. Buy it once and you never have to buy it again. Of course you can look around and find cheaper companies--but you have to buy from someone you trust, because anyone can slap together a salve and call it black salve cancer killer. Doesn't mean it IS that. In fact, there was a company that started selling BS as though they were alpha/omega lab salve, and their salve didn't work. Who knows how many people may have died of skin and other cancers -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDry Eyes Protocol
Hi Marshalee, You might want to see a massage therapist and ask them to work on your neck muscles. Trigger points in these muscles, e.g., SCM and scalenes, can disturb your vision as well as causing ear noises. PT From: Marshalee Hallett utahpug...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, December 5, 2010 9:18:09 PM Subject: Re: CSDry Eyes Protocol Dear Pat, I too have tinnitus, both kinds, the hissing and the pulsatile. (The former came from my Pug yapping in my ears, which did damage to the inner ears.) It`s annoying, but I can live with it. It is the latter which is driving me CRAZY!!! That horrible grinding, pulsing noise in my right ear makes it difficult to sleep. I can turn it down by sticking my shoulder into my neck to turn off much of the blood flow through the jugular vein, but it doesn`t last long. Fortunately, I discovered that a spritz of Nasonex (an allergy med.) in the right nostril will ease it; apparently it lessens the swelling on that side, so I can finally sleep. (I`m wondering if the large thyroid nodules I have on that side are the cause of the noise. My ENT doesn`t know for sure. He wants to remove that half of the gland; I`d be glad to have it done IF it will stop the noise!) I hope this`ll help! Marshalee On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 7:02 PM, Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com wrote: Very interesting! When my eyes are very dry, I seem to have trouble with vision, too. The eye doc said he could tell by looking that I have a problem with dry eyes. Now if only I could find some help for tinnitus which seems to be getting worse. Thanks, Pat
Re: CSDry Eyes Protocol
Hi Pat, I have had tinnitus for quite sometime and was to the point I did not think I'd ever be rid of it but the one thing that I found that stops it is Liposomal vit C. If I stop taking it the tinnitus returns. Sandy --- On Sun, 12/5/10, Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com wrote: Now if only I could find some help for tinnitus which seems to be getting worse. Thanks, Pat -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBlack Salve Psoriasis? Helen
And if it stinks too much, add some honey or some urea (nigrogen46 creystals)--they reduce the odor of DMSO Saralou On 12/5/2010 12:14 PM, zzekel...@aol.com wrote: How effective for psoriasis? Did you see any clients get improvement? My son has terrible psoriasis his forehead/scalps/neck. Helen Hi Helen, one of the best things I have given people to help them with psoriasis is What I call Brooks Mix It was posted on this site by a very knowledgeable fellow who does lots of research on many different things.. This is his recipe 75% CS---10% DMSO---15% glycerin --Mix the CS glycerin first then add the DMSO Before each use shake it up as it does tend to separate You can reduce the % of DMSO if it seems too strong for him... I use a shot glass to mix-- 3 shots of CS a shot of DMSO a little over a shot of glycerin. Hope it might help, Lois -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBlack Salve skin cancer cure
altcancer.com works from outside the USA. http://herbhealers.com/ works in the USA, or so I am told. On 2010/12/05, at 1:50, Renee wrote: I think that site is gone now. When you put in alphaomega labs all you get is a crummy, empty page, with a search box. They are hardly selling anything here in the US now. I had bought dragon's blood from them, and was going to send someone else there to buy some--but thought I'd better check. Yep--gone. It's a shame what the FDA has done to them. If you didn't get that info while you had the chance, it's too late now. Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- The site in ecuador that sells cansema also gives the recipe, or used to. they also sell lugol's iodine, at the same time give the recipe for making your own from elemental iodine and potassium iodide which are both cheap on ebay.
Re: CSBlack Salve skin cancer cure
Recipes: The news about Greg Caton is not up to date, but the recipes may be useful to some. http://www.eregimens.com/regimens/CancerSkin.htm On 2010/12/06, at 12:59, Jonathan B. Britten wrote: altcancer.com works from outside the USA. http://herbhealers.com/ works in the USA, or so I am told. On 2010/12/05, at 1:50, Renee wrote: I think that site is gone now. When you put in alphaomega labs all you get is a crummy, empty page, with a search box. They are hardly selling anything here in the US now. I had bought dragon's blood from them, and was going to send someone else there to buy some--but thought I'd better check. Yep--gone. It's a shame what the FDA has done to them. If you didn't get that info while you had the chance, it's too late now. Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- The site in ecuador that sells cansema also gives the recipe, or used to. they also sell lugol's iodine, at the same time give the recipe for making your own from elemental iodine and potassium iodide which are both cheap on ebay.
Re: CSBlack Salve skin cancer cure
Yes, I remember that now. Someone on another list in Australia could get to altcancer site. We here couldn't figure out why we couldn't. Finally someone found the herbhealers one. I had typed in the alphaomega labs and got that basically empty page and forgot there was this other site for the US. Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- altcancer.com works from outside the USA. http://herbhealers.com/ works in the USA, or so I am told.
Re: CSDry Eyes Protocol
Hi, Well I get a therapeutic massage every week, and it has done nothing for the tinnitus. My eyes are fine, other than the myopia. I still think it might be the nodules. I`ll be seeing my ENT on Friday, and will see what he thinks. Thanks!! Marshalee On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 8:32 PM, PT Ferrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hi Marshalee, You might want to see a massage therapist and ask them to work on your neck muscles. Trigger points in these muscles, e.g., SCM and scalenes, can disturb your vision as well as causing ear noises. PT -- *From:* Marshalee Hallett utahpug...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Sun, December 5, 2010 9:18:09 PM *Subject:* Re: CSDry Eyes Protocol Dear Pat, I too have tinnitus, both kinds, the hissing and the pulsatile. (The former came from my Pug yapping in my ears, which did damage to the inner ears.) It`s annoying, but I can live with it. It is the latter which is driving me CRAZY!!! That horrible grinding, pulsing noise in my right ear makes it difficult to sleep. I can turn it down by sticking my shoulder into my neck to turn off much of the blood flow through the jugular vein, but it doesn`t last long. Fortunately, I discovered that a spritz of Nasonex (an allergy med.) in the right nostril will ease it; apparently it lessens the swelling on that side, so I can finally sleep. (I`m wondering if the large thyroid nodules I have on that side are the cause of the noise. My ENT doesn`t know for sure. He wants to remove that half of the gland; I`d be glad to have it done IF it will stop the noise!) I hope this`ll help! Marshalee On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 7:02 PM, Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com wrote: Very interesting! When my eyes are very dry, I seem to have trouble with vision, too. The eye doc said he could tell by looking that I have a problem with dry eyes. Now if only I could find some help for tinnitus which seems to be getting worse. Thanks, Pat
