Re: CS>microwave food: hard-boiled vibrations

[Jane MacRoss]

PS I suppose GM is safe too?
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jane MacRoss 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 4:15 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>microwave food: hard-boiled vibrations


  More off topic stuff  (Leo I can't get the flying video to work - it must 
have flown)

  This amazed me - I was sure that microwaved foods were harmful - is this a 
butter/margarine debate - or opal/diamond debate /  some commercial interest to 
bend the reality waves again for us?

  http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2006/03/23/1597903.htm

  I bet if I put this on facebook all 5,000 of my friends would tell me 
otherwise!  They all argue with whatever I write anyway. Ah the joys of mother 
and grandmotherhood!

  Jane
- Original Message - 
From: leo 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 10:40 AM
Subject: CS>microwave food: hard-boiled vibrations


Dear Friends

In 1980 I briefly worked with botanist Bargyla Rateaver PhD, a notorious & 
long-time organic-gardening professor for U.California. At the time Dr. 
Rateaver occasionally published on dangers to DNA posed by microwave cooking. 

As I knew something about nutrition, I wanted to know all about this issue. 
I was so fortunate to be able to directly and leisurely view this beloved 
professor's personal collection of research data on the issue. 

And so at that time I quickly learned... 
There is no argument that microwave cooking damages cells of many foods.
But what I learned is that all the available reports on the topic which Dr. 
B had collected concerning "hazards"  of microwaved food indicated the "damage" 
to biological cells was identical to that long reported with conventional 
cooking methods... 
And I learned it's not so easy to discuss the issue.
__
Anyway- re the discovery of "water crystals" -  Such beautiful pictures! 
So imaginative. There must be scores of photographers making images of the 
phenomenon.
But that is apparently not the case. 
Who can find any independent verification for the phenomena?
Not I.
What I have found is that this pretty book is a product of Transcendental 
Meditation interests.
As I am told is the case with the film "What the BLEEP Do We Know" which 
covers similar terrain.  

Otoh I absolutely *<3* this one TM film: "David Wants to Fly" - about David 
Lynch. 
http://www.linktv.org/programs/david-wants-to-flyLove the meditators at 
their flying "academy" 
Did I notice that all TM flyers seem to be v.young, athletic white males... 
very occasionally overseen by older Indian male functionaries? Odd.) 

[btw,...another magnitude of meditation can be found in "Crazy Wisdom" 

http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/crazy_wisdom_the_jack_kerouac_school_of_disembodied_poetics
  ]

 Leo, Pasadena

Hi Jane,
For a long time, convenience had made me turn a blind eye to much of =20
what I've read about negative effects of microwave on food.
Then I read "The Hidden Messages in Water' by Masaru Emoto, a =20
scientist who became fascinated by the structures of ice crystals =20
after varying factors were used on water (types of music, words taped =20=

to container, micro-wave, etc.). He did a small, scientific paper =20
about his observations and it that went viral, then was republished =20
for the general public. Just seeing the deformed structure of micro-=20
waved water has made me finally use it rarely. I simply didn't want =20
that sort of ugly chaos in the water of my body.

It also made me rethink the studies done years ago of plants leaning =20
toward or cringing from different types of music, language, etc. It =20
might not have been the plants responding at all, but rather, the =20
water within the plants. Check it out!

Be well,
L=E9na 
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Re: CS>microwave food: hard-boiled vibrations

[Jane MacRoss]

More off topic stuff  (Leo I can't get the flying video to work - it must 
have flown)

This amazed me - I was sure that microwaved foods were harmful - is this a 
butter/margarine debate - or opal/diamond debate /  some commercial interest to 
bend the reality waves again for us?

http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2006/03/23/1597903.htm

I bet if I put this on facebook all 5,000 of my friends would tell me 
otherwise!  They all argue with whatever I write anyway. Ah the joys of mother 
and grandmotherhood!

Jane
  - Original Message - 
  From: leo 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 10:40 AM
  Subject: CS>microwave food: hard-boiled vibrations


  Dear Friends

  In 1980 I briefly worked with botanist Bargyla Rateaver PhD, a notorious & 
long-time organic-gardening professor for U.California. At the time Dr. 
Rateaver occasionally published on dangers to DNA posed by microwave cooking. 

  As I knew something about nutrition, I wanted to know all about this issue. 
  I was so fortunate to be able to directly and leisurely view this beloved 
professor's personal collection of research data on the issue. 

  And so at that time I quickly learned... 
  There is no argument that microwave cooking damages cells of many foods.
  But what I learned is that all the available reports on the topic which Dr. B 
had collected concerning "hazards"  of microwaved food indicated the "damage" 
to biological cells was identical to that long reported with conventional 
cooking methods... 
  And I learned it's not so easy to discuss the issue.
  __
  Anyway- re the discovery of "water crystals" -  Such beautiful pictures! 
  So imaginative. There must be scores of photographers making images of the 
phenomenon.
  But that is apparently not the case. 
  Who can find any independent verification for the phenomena?
  Not I.
  What I have found is that this pretty book is a product of Transcendental 
Meditation interests.
  As I am told is the case with the film "What the BLEEP Do We Know" which 
covers similar terrain.  

  Otoh I absolutely *<3* this one TM film: "David Wants to Fly" - about David 
Lynch. 
  http://www.linktv.org/programs/david-wants-to-flyLove the meditators at 
their flying "academy" 
  Did I notice that all TM flyers seem to be v.young, athletic white males... 
  very occasionally overseen by older Indian male functionaries? Odd.) 

  [btw,...another magnitude of meditation can be found in "Crazy Wisdom" 
  
http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/crazy_wisdom_the_jack_kerouac_school_of_disembodied_poetics
  ]

   Leo, Pasadena

  Hi Jane,
  For a long time, convenience had made me turn a blind eye to much of =20
  what I've read about negative effects of microwave on food.
  Then I read "The Hidden Messages in Water' by Masaru Emoto, a =20
  scientist who became fascinated by the structures of ice crystals =20
  after varying factors were used on water (types of music, words taped =20=

  to container, micro-wave, etc.). He did a small, scientific paper =20
  about his observations and it that went viral, then was republished =20
  for the general public. Just seeing the deformed structure of micro-=20
  waved water has made me finally use it rarely. I simply didn't want =20
  that sort of ugly chaos in the water of my body.

  It also made me rethink the studies done years ago of plants leaning =20
  toward or cringing from different types of music, language, etc. It =20
  might not have been the plants responding at all, but rather, the =20
  water within the plants. Check it out!

  Be well,
  L=E9na 
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Re: Cooking was // Re: CS>Removing Silver Tarnish

[cking001]

HA!
I'm stealing that!!!

Chuck
What do you call a dinosaur with an extensive vocabulary?
  A thesaurus.



On 5/11/2012 7:03:55 PM, mgperrault (mgperra...@aol.com) wrote:
>"The doctors told my mother we did everything we could, but he still 
>pulled through"


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Re: CS>microwave food: hard-boiled vibrations

[Steve G]

It is interesting to note Snopes take on this issue - 
http://www.snopes.com/science/microwave/plants.asp   Not that I really trust 
Snopes.  But it is worth looking at such claims from several vantage points and 
testing and re-testing to confirm results.  Of course, this reference is not 
about microwave effects on food, but rather just plain water, so it does not 
directly address the suggestion that microwave has some sinister effect on food 
heated in this manner.   



--- On Fri, 5/11/12, leo  wrote:

From: leo 
Subject: CS>microwave food: hard-boiled vibrations
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Friday, May 11, 2012, 8:40 PM

Dear Friends

In 1980 I briefly worked with botanist Bargyla Rateaver PhD, a notorious & 
long-time organic-gardening professor for U.California. At the time Dr. 
Rateaver occasionally published on dangers to DNA posed by microwave cooking. 



As I knew something about nutrition, I wanted to know all about this issue. 
I was so fortunate to be able to directly and leisurely view this beloved 
professor's personal collection of research data on the issue. 


And so at that time I quickly learned... 
There is no argument that microwave cooking damages cells of many foods.
But what I learned is that all the available reports on the topic which Dr. B 
had collected concerning "hazards"  of microwaved food indicated the "damage" 
to biological cells was identical to that long reported with conventional 
cooking methods... 

And I learned it's not so easy to discuss the issue.
__
Anyway- re the discovery of "water crystals" -  Such beautiful pictures! 

So imaginative. There must be scores of photographers making images of the 
phenomenon.
But that is apparently not the case. 
Who can find any independent verification for the phenomena?
Not I.
What I have found is that this pretty book is a product of Transcendental 
Meditation interests.

As I am told is the case with the film "What the BLEEP Do We Know" which covers 
similar terrain.  


Otoh I absolutely *<3* this one TM film: "David Wants to Fly" - about David 
Lynch. 
http://www.linktv.org/programs/david-wants-to-fly    Love the meditators at 
their flying "academy" 

Did I notice that all TM flyers seem to be v.young, athletic white males... 
very occasionally overseen by older Indian male functionaries? Odd.) 

[btw,...another magnitude of meditation can be found in "Crazy Wisdom" 

http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/crazy_wisdom_the_jack_kerouac_school_of_disembodied_poetics 
 ]



 Leo, Pasadena

Hi Jane,

For a long time, convenience had made me turn a blind eye to much of =20

what I've read about negative effects of microwave on food.

Then I read "The Hidden Messages in Water' by Masaru Emoto, a =20

scientist who became fascinated by the structures of ice crystals =20

after varying factors were used on water (types of music, words taped =20=



to container, micro-wave, etc.). He did a small, scientific paper =20

about his observations and it that went viral, then was republished =20

for the general public. Just seeing the deformed structure of micro-=20

waved water has made me finally use it rarely. I simply didn't want =20

that sort of ugly chaos in the water of my body.



It also made me rethink the studies done years ago of plants leaning =20

toward or cringing from different types of music, language, etc. It =20

might not have been the plants responding at all, but rather, the =20

water within the plants. Check it out!



Be well,

L=E9na

CS>microwave food: hard-boiled vibrations

[leo]

Dear Friends

In 1980 I briefly worked with botanist Bargyla Rateaver PhD, a notorious &
long-time organic-gardening professor for U.California. At the time Dr.
Rateaver occasionally published on dangers to DNA posed by microwave
cooking.

As I knew something about nutrition, I wanted to know all about this issue.
I was so fortunate to be able to directly and leisurely view this beloved
professor's personal collection of research data on the issue.

And so at that time I quickly learned...
There is no argument that microwave cooking damages cells of many foods.
But what I learned is that all the available reports on the topic which Dr.
B had collected concerning "hazards"  of microwaved food indicated the
"damage" to biological cells was identical to that long reported with
conventional cooking methods...
And I learned it's not so easy to discuss the issue.
__
Anyway- re the discovery of "water crystals" -  Such *beautiful *pictures!
So imaginative. There must be scores of photographers making images of the
phenomenon.
But that is apparently not the case.
Who can find any independent verification for the phenomena?
Not I.
What I have found is that this pretty book is a product of Transcendental
Meditation interests.
As I am told is the case with the film "What the BLEEP Do We Know" which
covers similar terrain.

Otoh I absolutely *<3* this one TM film: "David Wants to Fly" - about David
Lynch.
http://www.linktv.org/programs/david-wants-to-flyLove the meditators at
their flying "academy"
Did I notice that all TM flyers seem to be v.young, athletic white males...
very occasionally overseen by older Indian male functionaries? Odd.)

[btw,...another magnitude of* meditation *can be found in "Crazy Wisdom"
http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/crazy_wisdom_the_jack_kerouac_school_of_disembodied_poetics
]

 Leo, Pasadena

Hi Jane,
For a long time, convenience had made me turn a blind eye to much of =20
what I've read about negative effects of microwave on food.
Then I read "The Hidden Messages in Water' by Masaru Emoto, a =20
scientist who became fascinated by the structures of ice crystals =20
after varying factors were used on water (types of music, words taped =20=

to container, micro-wave, etc.). He did a small, scientific paper =20
about his observations and it that went viral, then was republished =20
for the general public. Just seeing the deformed structure of micro-=20
waved water has made me finally use it rarely. I simply didn't want =20
that sort of ugly chaos in the water of my body.

It also made me rethink the studies done years ago of plants leaning =20
toward or cringing from different types of music, language, etc. It =20
might not have been the plants responding at all, but rather, the =20
water within the plants. Check it out!

Be well,
L=E9na

Re: Cooking was // Re: CS>Removing Silver Tarnish

[mgperrault]

On 5/11/2012 3:05 PM, Mike Monett wrote:

I have an open mind.

Mike

"Mike Monett"  wrote:

I guess I shouldn't tell you my mental impedance is 377 Ohms.

The same as free space.

Mike




You mean a spacy mind dont you?

A closed mind is not a logical one because there are always unknowns to 
unsolved questions.  But having the impedance of free space sounds 
ideal.  At least youre sharing the load 50/50.
But lets apply it to Rife;   Instead of saying its not possible, why not 
use your imagination and come up with three wild ideas of how it MIGHT 
work.  Does anyone know what dictates conformational changes of 
microtubules?


"The doctors told my mother we did everything we could, but he still 
pulled through"


Max


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[Mike Monett]

So that's where it is coming from.

Mike

"Jane MacRoss"  wrote:
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>I like dandelions
>
>Jane
>
> 
>From: "Mike Monett" 
>
>
>>I like pinto beans.
>> 
>> Mike
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[Jane MacRoss]

I like dandelions

Jane


From: "Mike Monett" 



I like pinto beans.

Mike



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Re: CS>Re: Mike / Re: electricity

[Jane MacRoss]

I do that with my power boards too - I don't like those green heat packs! 
They had them a place I worked in & I melted it boiling it :(


Jane

From: "jaxi" 



Another thing that works well is to plug stuff into those power strips
and then turn off the power strip when not in use.  We have the
computers set up that way.  Got rid of the microwave ages ago, don't
miss it at all except for heating up those hot packs filled with rice
or whatever.  Now I have these rechargeable ones with some kind of
green liquid stuff in them and you tweak a little metal disc which
sets off some reaction which you can observe happen - kinda neat to
watch - it gets warm/hot - the bigger ones stays hot for quite awhile
- and then you boil them to recharge them.  The recharging is a pain
but they get hot real fast.



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Re: Cooking was // Re: CS>Removing Silver Tarnish

[Mike Monett]

I have an open mind.

Mike

"Mike Monett"  wrote:
>
>I guess I shouldn't tell you my mental impedance is 377 Ohms.
>
>The same as free space.
>
>Mike
>
>"Mike Monett"  wrote:
>>
>>I like pinto beans.
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>mgperrault  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>It works well with pinto beans.  Apparently you didnt match the 
>>>impedance of your mental antennae
>>>Give it another go, Im sure you can do it
>>>
>>>max
>>>
>>>
>>>On 5/11/2012 2:06 PM, Mike Monett wrote:
 Marshall  wrote:
> Fact is, you can have two plants, and
> send one loving thoughts, and the other thoughts of death, and over a
> short period get similar results.
> Marshall
 It doesn't work with dandelions. I have tried.

 Mike

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Re: Cooking was // Re: CS>Removing Silver Tarnish

[Mike Monett]

I guess I shouldn't tell you my mental impedance is 377 Ohms.

The same as free space.

Mike

"Mike Monett"  wrote:
>
>I like pinto beans.
>
>Mike
>
>mgperrault  wrote:
>>
>>
>>It works well with pinto beans.  Apparently you didnt match the 
>>impedance of your mental antennae
>>Give it another go, Im sure you can do it
>>
>>max
>>
>>
>>On 5/11/2012 2:06 PM, Mike Monett wrote:
>>> Marshall  wrote:
 Fact is, you can have two plants, and
 send one loving thoughts, and the other thoughts of death, and over a
 short period get similar results.
 Marshall
>>> It doesn't work with dandelions. I have tried.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>
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Re: Cooking was // Re: CS>Removing Silver Tarnish

[Mike Monett]

I like pinto beans.

Mike

mgperrault  wrote:
>
>
>It works well with pinto beans.  Apparently you didnt match the 
>impedance of your mental antennae
>Give it another go, Im sure you can do it
>
>max
>
>
>On 5/11/2012 2:06 PM, Mike Monett wrote:
>> Marshall  wrote:
>>> Fact is, you can have two plants, and
>>> send one loving thoughts, and the other thoughts of death, and over a
>>> short period get similar results.
>>> Marshall
>> It doesn't work with dandelions. I have tried.
>>
>> Mike
>>


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[mgperrault]

It works well with pinto beans.  Apparently you didnt match the 
impedance of your mental antennae

Give it another go, Im sure you can do it

max


On 5/11/2012 2:06 PM, Mike Monett wrote:

Marshall  wrote:

Fact is, you can have two plants, and
send one loving thoughts, and the other thoughts of death, and over a
short period get similar results.
Marshall

It doesn't work with dandelions. I have tried.

Mike





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Marshall  wrote:
>Fact is, you can have two plants, and
>send one loving thoughts, and the other thoughts of death, and over a
>short period get similar results.

>Marshall

It doesn't work with dandelions. I have tried.

Mike


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[Kirsteen Wright]

OK, though trust me he has absolutely zero interest in anything I grow :-).
They'll be on my bedroom windowsill so he wouldn't see them be watered
anyway.

Cheers
Kirsteen

On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Marshall  wrote:

> **
> You need to let him label the water he gives you 1,2,3,4 with the plants
> labeled A,B,C,D, and you need to be the only one that knows which water
> goes to which plant, and only he should know which water goes with with
> which bottle.  He should not even see you water them, as he could see which
> water went to which plant, and his intentions could then affect the outcome.
>
> Marshall
>
>
> On 5/11/2012 2:51 PM, Kirsteen Wright wrote:
>
> You know I'd really like to try this. Would this methodology work? I take
> 5 2litre plastic bottles (sorry only have plastic) fill one with tap water,
> one with filtered tap water, one with Scottish spring water, one with tap
> water boiled on stove and cooled, one with tap water microwaved to boil and
> cooled. I'll label each bottle A, B, C etc, get my son to fill each, write
> down what he filled it with but don't let me see the list. I'll then take a
> packet of sunflower seeds 'cos they sprout pretty quick, and plant 3 seeds
> in each of 5 identical pots filled with compost from the same bag. I'll
> label the pots A, B, C etc, sit them on the same windowsill and give them
> all a measured amount of water each day from their appropriate bottle. I
> won't know which is which but should be able to see if they grow roughly
> evenly or not.
>
> Have I missed anything?
>
> Kirsteen
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Marshall  wrote:
>
>> The pictures of those tests are a rip-off.   These pictures were taken by
>> my daughter in Knoxville, TN about a science fair project project my
>> granddaughter did about 10 years ago.
>>
>> It can be explained simply because the plants responded to the
>> experimenters desires and intentions.  For it to be valid would require it
>> to be completely double blind.  Fact is, you can have two plants, and send
>> one loving thoughts, and the other thoughts of death, and over a short
>> period get similar results.
>>
>> Marshall
>>
>>
>> On 5/11/2012 4:07 AM, Mark wrote:
>>
>>> So if microwave is so harmless then could someone explain why plants die
>>> if they are watered with microwaved water?
>>>
>>> Here's some evidence...
>>> Http://Hinduism.co.za/trees.htm
>>>
>>> I did the test myself, but never captured photos and I got the same
>>> results.
>>>
>>> -Regards,
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11 May 2012, at 2:23, "Mike Monett"  wrote:
>>>
>>> David AuBuchon  wrote:
>>>
>>>  Did Mike even do some basic google searching to confirm there is no
 evidence microwaves have negative health effects?  No, it appears not.

>>> Yes, Mike did all the googling to search for evidence of harm.
>>>
>>> Like most things, a weak analysis capability can convince you of
>>> anything.
>>>
>>> I am finished with this topic.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Mike Monett
>>>
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Re: Cooking was // Re: CS>Removing Silver Tarnish

[Marshall]

You need to let him label the water he gives you 1,2,3,4 with the plants 
labeled A,B,C,D, and you need to be the only one that knows which water 
goes to which plant, and only he should know which water goes with with 
which bottle.  He should not even see you water them, as he could see 
which water went to which plant, and his intentions could then affect 
the outcome.


Marshall

On 5/11/2012 2:51 PM, Kirsteen Wright wrote:
You know I'd really like to try this. Would this methodology work? I 
take 5 2litre plastic bottles (sorry only have plastic) fill one with 
tap water, one with filtered tap water, one with Scottish spring 
water, one with tap water boiled on stove and cooled, one with tap 
water microwaved to boil and cooled. I'll label each bottle A, B, C 
etc, get my son to fill each, write down what he filled it with but 
don't let me see the list. I'll then take a packet of sunflower seeds 
'cos they sprout pretty quick, and plant 3 seeds in each of 5 
identical pots filled with compost from the same bag. I'll label the 
pots A, B, C etc, sit them on the same windowsill and give them all a 
measured amount of water each day from their appropriate bottle. I 
won't know which is which but should be able to see if they grow 
roughly evenly or not.


Have I missed anything?

Kirsteen




On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Marshall > wrote:


The pictures of those tests are a rip-off.   These pictures were
taken by my daughter in Knoxville, TN about a science fair project
project my granddaughter did about 10 years ago.

It can be explained simply because the plants responded to the
experimenters desires and intentions.  For it to be valid would
require it to be completely double blind.  Fact is, you can have
two plants, and send one loving thoughts, and the other thoughts
of death, and over a short period get similar results.

Marshall


On 5/11/2012 4:07 AM, Mark wrote:

So if microwave is so harmless then could someone explain why
plants die if they are watered with microwaved water?

Here's some evidence...
Http://Hinduism.co.za/trees.htm

I did the test myself, but never captured photos and I got the
same results.

-Regards,

Mark


On 11 May 2012, at 2:23, "Mike Monett"mailto:mrmon...@pstca.com>>  wrote:

David AuBuchonmailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com>>  wrote:

Did Mike even do some basic google searching to confirm
there is no
evidence microwaves have negative health effects?  No, it
appears not.

Yes, Mike did all the googling to search for evidence of harm.

Like most things, a weak analysis capability can convince you
of anything.

I am finished with this topic.

Thanks,

Mike Monett


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Re: CS>Was: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities

[123 456]

Do any of you know Dr. Wizard?
I encountered him and his wife last year over on the Gold list for Ormus.
If you can find a ref. for him he might be able to look into the other
realms and see if he can help there.
I'll look back  in my emails and see if I can find an email for you.
T


On 5/9/12, Renee  wrote:
> Forgot to say--no I didn't build the frex.  It's software you download.
> Then you can run it through just the computer (which is all I have right
> now) or you can hook up plasma balls.  Ken is working on a write up to
> teach
> people how to do this themselves.  He use to sell plasma balls with the
> wiring already installed, but people would hook them to the computer wrong
> and would burn out the plasma.  He's such a great and honest guy that he'd
> replace the balls for them so it became just too expensive so he quit.  But
> he's going to tell us how to build our own.  And there is another type of
> thing you can hook up to FreX but I can't think of it right now.
>
> It does everything any other frequency device does--runs frequencies!  It
> has all the different frequencies built into it--the ones by different
> people.  And it has the problems/diseases.  So you pick the problem then
> show the frequencies and then you tell the software to send out the
> frequencies.  Easy!  But the least working method is just running the freqs
> through the computer speakers--yet some people get good results.
>
> There's a guy that Ken knows that is building something to add to FreX
> (like
> you would the plasma balls) that's suppose to be excellent.  I'm waiting
> for
> that.  Don't know what it will cost though.
>
> Samala,
> Renee
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mike Monett [mailto:mrmon...@pstca.com]
>
> Did you build the FREX or get it from someone? I looked at the site
> earlier:
>
> http://www.frex.com.au/pfa2.html
>
> What kinds of things does it do?
>
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Re: CS>Lyme disease

[Paul Steel]

I agreeTakes way more then CS to cure lyme in 99% of most cases

 
Paul 




 From: David AuBuchon 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Lyme disease
 

Never.  Your case is very complex.  You are still not accepting what you are up 
against.  


On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Rodney Samuelson  wrote:

 
> 
>I make and consume 1 qt per day at 14 ppm.  How many years will it
take?  Rod at cell 860-881-3734
> 

Re: CS>Re: Mike / Re: electricity

[jaxi]

Another thing that works well is to plug stuff into those power strips
and then turn off the power strip when not in use.  We have the
computers set up that way.  Got rid of the microwave ages ago, don't
miss it at all except for heating up those hot packs filled with rice
or whatever.  Now I have these rechargeable ones with some kind of
green liquid stuff in them and you tweak a little metal disc which
sets off some reaction which you can observe happen - kinda neat to
watch - it gets warm/hot - the bigger ones stays hot for quite awhile
- and then you boil them to recharge them.  The recharging is a pain
but they get hot real fast.

Jaxi

On 5/11/12, Jane MacRoss  wrote:
> Thanks Debbie I started doing that too - every little helps!
>   - Original Message -
>   From: Deborah Gerard
>   Jane..be sure and unplug everything if you are not using it. Just because
> it's off doesn't me it is not using electricity
>
>   Debbie :)
>
>


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Re: CS>Lyme disease

[David AuBuchon]

Never.  Your case is very complex.  You are still not accepting what you
are up against.

On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Rodney Samuelson wrote:

>  ** **
>
> ** **
>
> I make and consume 1 qt per day at 14 ppm.  How many years will it take?
> Rod at cell 860-881-3734
>
> ** **
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Re: CS>Was: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities

[Ken & Nancy Bagwell]

Is this machine based on stuff regarding the kirlian effect?  I heard about 
this in an old 70's video (out of print) called the Outer Space Connection by 
Rod Serling.  In the program, they actually showed how when a leaf was clipped, 
the kirlian effect still showed a glowing outline exactly where the newly 
clipped off part was.  Very strange stuff.

-Ken Bagwell



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Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Was: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness 
to healing modalities
 
Lena,

I looked at some of the other machines, but the ABPA A2 appears to be the
closest to the SE-5. 

I trust that you looked at them also, and decided on the ABPA, so I will do
the same. I will place an order for one today as soon as I get your reply.
Is there anything else I should get with it?

I won't need the interface adapter. I will make my own FScan 2 and it will
have the correct level to drive the ABPA so I can do the same thing you are
doing.

The Vortex Cable looks like it is essential for the things I want to do.
Fortunately it comes with the unit.

Do the pads work? Is there a reason to get them?

Here is the url I am looking at. Is it the correct one?

http://www.biophotonanalyzer.com/products.htm

Thanks,

Mike Monett

"Mike Monett"  wrote:
>
>Guyot Léna  wrote:
>
>>I no longer use electrodes.  I also used electrode pads for a while,
>>but skin envetually got irritated by the adhesives. My hand-holds were
>>gold-plated, I believe. Haven't looked at them in almost 5 years since
>>getting an ABPA A2 to deliver the frx. I chose to be untethered. Makes
>>normal life easier and 24/7 treatment possible, except when unplugged
>>on the road. Then I use the  ABPA A2 (battery-driven, then) for
>>balancing only. I plug in the FScan when we get into new campground
>>and then go on my merry way, wherever. Léna
>
>Now we are getting somewhere. I used to own two SE-5's which are an
>extraordinary radionics device. I used to travel around the world on
>business, and dealing with customer's problems and the fatigue of travel
>would really sap your energy. I'd call my girlfriend in California and ask
>her to put me on the machine, and within minutes the pain would drain away
>and I would start to be rejeuvinated.
>
>The ABPA A2 looks like it works on much the same principles, but it lacks a
>sticky pad for diagnosis:
>
>http://www.biophotonanalyzer.com/products.htm
>
>However, they do say it has the same range as the SE-5. Not surprising. I
>found the results equally as powerful in Tokyo or Edinborough, or anywhere
>else I happened to be. I would be very interested in getting back into this
>technology.
>
>I have a lot more faith in this arrangement than trying to explain the
>pathogens are killed by direct contact with the electric field as in the
>Clark/Rife devices. That explanation just doesn't make any sense from an
>engineering point of view. But I will duplicate the FScan 2 just to get
>started.
>
>For some reason the print on the ABPA A2 manual is too small for me to
>read. 
>
>How do you use the ABPA A2 to detect the frequencies that need treating?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mike Monett
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Re: CS>mold Was: Macular Degeneration;

[Ken & Nancy Bagwell]

http://www.air-zone.com/mold.html 


A few weeks ago, I read about how to kill mold using an super high output ozone 
generator. It's a little out of my price range right now, but if someone is 
serious in need, I suppose you could buy it, use it, and resell it when your're 
done.  Or maybe even rent it out.  This company doesn't rent out, unfortunately.

-Ken Bagwell



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Subject: Re: CS>mold Was: Macular Degeneration;
 
mgperrault  wrote:
>
>What odor?   cooked onions? smoke? cant get enough oxygen? Dusty wood 
>like smell?  Did you find mold?
>
>Simoncini indicates baking soda for mold
>
>There are some herbs for mold here
>http://www.sacred-medicine.org/sms_products/sms_mold.php
>
>max

Thanx max. burning wood odor. terrible headaches. problem has been going on
for over a decade. got a bad exposure in a house in Ottawa in 2001. it
destroyed my business. mnost of the spores come from the basement. this is
new and just started a day orso ago. don't know where it is coming from.
very bad.

Mike


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Re: Cooking was // Re: CS>Removing Silver Tarnish

[Kirsteen Wright]

You know I'd really like to try this. Would this methodology work? I take 5
2litre plastic bottles (sorry only have plastic) fill one with tap water,
one with filtered tap water, one with Scottish spring water, one with tap
water boiled on stove and cooled, one with tap water microwaved to boil and
cooled. I'll label each bottle A, B, C etc, get my son to fill each, write
down what he filled it with but don't let me see the list. I'll then take a
packet of sunflower seeds 'cos they sprout pretty quick, and plant 3 seeds
in each of 5 identical pots filled with compost from the same bag. I'll
label the pots A, B, C etc, sit them on the same windowsill and give them
all a measured amount of water each day from their appropriate bottle. I
won't know which is which but should be able to see if they grow roughly
evenly or not.

Have I missed anything?

Kirsteen




On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Marshall  wrote:

> The pictures of those tests are a rip-off.   These pictures were taken by
> my daughter in Knoxville, TN about a science fair project project my
> granddaughter did about 10 years ago.
>
> It can be explained simply because the plants responded to the
> experimenters desires and intentions.  For it to be valid would require it
> to be completely double blind.  Fact is, you can have two plants, and send
> one loving thoughts, and the other thoughts of death, and over a short
> period get similar results.
>
> Marshall
>
>
> On 5/11/2012 4:07 AM, Mark wrote:
>
>> So if microwave is so harmless then could someone explain why plants die
>> if they are watered with microwaved water?
>>
>> Here's some evidence...
>> Http://Hinduism.co.za/trees.**htm 
>>
>> I did the test myself, but never captured photos and I got the same
>> results.
>>
>> -Regards,
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> On 11 May 2012, at 2:23, "Mike Monett"  wrote:
>>
>> David AuBuchon>
>>  wrote:
>>
>>  Did Mike even do some basic google searching to confirm there is no
>>> evidence microwaves have negative health effects?  No, it appears not.
>>>
>> Yes, Mike did all the googling to search for evidence of harm.
>>
>> Like most things, a weak analysis capability can convince you of anything.
>>
>> I am finished with this topic.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Mike Monett
>>
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Re: CS>Was: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities

[Guyot Léna]

I gave up on the ABPA A2 groups and FScan groups, which is why I  
haven't encouraged others to get these machines, as I simply wouldn't  
be able to talk them through their use, even though they've served me  
very very well..
I HAVE killed mold issues with the frequencyfoundation frx lists (not  
sure if they're available any more) all converted arduously from  
original lists designed for the Atelier Robin machines over to the  
FScan, My FScan generates this list of over 100 frx which are then  
delivered with the ABPA A2. I don't know if the ABPA A2 alone is  
programmed to kill molds, especially not in your environment, although  
I know there are people out there who have taken samples and created  
input-output isopathic remedies from environment to treat the  
environment. Haven't needed to do that myself and haven't cracked the  
difficult-to read manuals for a couple years. The 2 times mold issues  
have come up, either in the RV or in the house, I've used cold- 
diffused Thieves' oil, which resolved the problem.


One thing comes to mind about your mention of odors. On occasion,  
afteer directing my husband to hook up our diesel truck to our  
Airstream, I've had the odor of diesel exhaust in my nose for DAYS  
afterward; long after the air has cleared and there really is not  
trace anywhere (we live in the country where few trucks go by on the  
road, but the persistence of the 'smell' would be as if I were at a  
truck-stop of idling semis.. At other times, other olfactory  
'hallucinations' have plagued me (yes, sometimes smoky wood), and I  
wonder if damage or infection in the sinuses is responsible for the  
perception of odors that may not be externally present at all.
I usually mist CS up my nose whenever this happens. (Resolved old  
chronic sinus issues this way a couple years ago) CS has been helpful  
in restoring my normal sense of real smells. I think it's possible  
that the mold/fungus issues may be more from your own internal body  
ecology, than external environment (judging by the extreme measures  
you've been taking to resolve those).


Beta-carotene seems to support sinus health, and chewing raw honey- 
comb is excellent as it vaporises into the sinuses and lungs the  
propolis with which bees coat their comb to ward off molds and  
bacteria. Just a thought.


Must get back to loading my pill-trays, just resting my back.

Be well,
Léna
On May 11, 2012, at 11:23 AM, Mike Monett wrote:

Renee,

Things are not looking so good as before.

After much prodding, James sent me the Yahoo Group link for the ABPA.  
Here

it is:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/biophoton/

As you can see from the message history at the bottom of the page, the  
last
messages were in Dec, 2011. I wrote him back that I was concerned  
about the

lack of activity.

Using that as a reference, I found another ABPA group:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Advanced-Bio-Photon-Analyzer/

That one is even worse. The last message was in 2009.

No wonder Lena didn't want to give any recommendations.

Oh well, I may have just blown a $200 restocking fee. I wish I had known
about these forums before placing the order.

Chances are now slim that the device will work. But I'll give it a try
anyway. I have so few options left on killing the mold spores I'll try
anything if it has the slightest chance of working.

Thanks for the excellent summary on other healing modalities. I'll  
study it

later.

I'm starting to get the same awful odor as a day or so ago. I can't tell
where it is coming from.  Getting very bad headaches.

Bye for now

Mike Monett

"Renee"  wrote:


I DO hope it works for you.  What a blessing huh?  Do let us know.   
If it's
that good it may be worth saving up for.  It's hard to distinguish  
which
device is worth the money because there are so many, and a number of  
people
on various lists have different machines and most all love the ones  
they

have.  So it's hard to say which one to spend money on.

Samala,
Renee


-Original Message-

This would be so nice if it works and gets rid of these headaches. I  
sure
would like to be able to sleep longer than 3 or 4 hours, and not  
wake  up
clogged full of spores with a splitting headache and all the other  
crap

from the toxins.

Thanks,

Mike Monett




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Re: Cooking was // Re: CS>Removing Silver Tarnish

[Marshall]

The pictures of those tests are a rip-off.   These pictures were taken 
by my daughter in Knoxville, TN about a science fair project project my 
granddaughter did about 10 years ago.


It can be explained simply because the plants responded to the 
experimenters desires and intentions.  For it to be valid would require 
it to be completely double blind.  Fact is, you can have two plants, and 
send one loving thoughts, and the other thoughts of death, and over a 
short period get similar results.


Marshall

On 5/11/2012 4:07 AM, Mark wrote:

So if microwave is so harmless then could someone explain why plants die if 
they are watered with microwaved water?

Here's some evidence...
Http://Hinduism.co.za/trees.htm

I did the test myself, but never captured photos and I got the same results.

-Regards,

Mark


On 11 May 2012, at 2:23, "Mike Monett"  wrote:

David AuBuchon  wrote:


Did Mike even do some basic google searching to confirm there is no
evidence microwaves have negative health effects?  No, it appears not.

Yes, Mike did all the googling to search for evidence of harm.

Like most things, a weak analysis capability can convince you of anything.

I am finished with this topic.

Thanks,

Mike Monett


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[sol]

Mark wrote:

So if microwave is so harmless then could someone explain why plants die if 
they are watered with microwaved water?

  
Sorry, they don't. I think this is an example of the "Broca's Brain" 
phenomenon.

sol


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Re: CS>tooth problems- can EIS help? Double A Battery

[Jim Holmes]

Thanks to all for the information and reports.

Jim

On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 4:24 AM, Ode Coyote wrote:

>
>   You can also buy a variety of battery holders at Radio Shack.
>
> Ode
>
>
>
> At 01:38 PM 4/29/2012 -0400, you wrote:
>
> In a message dated 4/29/2012 1:05:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> blacksa...@comcast.net writes:
>
>
> I’d be interested in this (I do already have a bigger battery set up) –
> but never hearrd of a single battery being used. Please share. Lisa   I
> finally copied it so I didn't have to think it through again--  :-)  also
> if you can't solder you can hold the wires on with tape..Solder is just
> easier }
>
>  Hi Lisa, I just posted for Jim, Here it is again---I used it & let
> Bg know on the electricgermkiller sit.--It was put in the archive with my
> instructions. She asked for pictures of how I built it but I never took any
> & sent them..I should but it is so easy-I took about 6-8 inches of lamp
> wire---pulled it in halfcleaned the rubber / plastic  on each end of
> both wires--{ about 3/4 inches }   I soldered one end of one wire to the
> pos. post on the battery & one end of the other wire on the negative
> end On the other bare ends I wrapped a small piece of cotton cloth. { I
> used a needle & thread to keep it in place |   I soaked the cloth end of
> each wire in distilled water-Put the cloth end of one wire in my mouth
> as close to the abscess as I could get it & the other wire outside on the
> big bump on my jaw..I help them in place for 5 mins. then switched
> positions ---inside wire out * outside wire in {thus changing the polarity
> }  & held it for 5 mins. .
>I did this in the evening before bed time..rinsed my mouth with
> hydrogen peroxide / distilled water & then CS /EIS...   I did the same
> thing the next morning & again in the eveningThe next morning when I
> got up the swelling was almost gone & no more problems since...This was
> several months agoNO- you can't feel a thing as far as electric current
> passing through the jaw... I even used it to cure my Grandson's cold sore &
> an infected big toe Good luck--Lois
>
>
>
>
>

Re: CS>mold Was: Macular Degeneration;

[mgperrault]

Feels like it could kill you, and probably it could.  I wonder what the 
medical diagnosis would be?


Try sleeping outside, in the van, tent etc.  Some small improvement 
breathing tea tree oil, just placing some in nose.  Must get in the 
sinus. Do you get redness on sides of nose and between eyes?  Eye 
irritation?   Always wondered if there was some association with 
formaldehyde resin out-gassing


move or die some say

good luck

max


On 5/11/2012 9:14 AM, Mike Monett wrote:

mgperrault  wrote:

What odor?   cooked onions? smoke? cant get enough oxygen? Dusty wood
like smell?  Did you find mold?

Simoncini indicates baking soda for mold

There are some herbs for mold here
http://www.sacred-medicine.org/sms_products/sms_mold.php

max

Thanx max. burning wood odor. terrible headaches. problem has been going on
for over a decade. got a bad exposure in a house in Ottawa in 2001. it
destroyed my business. mnost of the spores come from the basement. this is
new and just started a day orso ago. don't know where it is coming from.
very bad.

Mike


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Re: CS>Was: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities

[Sandee George]

I second your statement Renee 100%
Sandee
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Re: CS>Was: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities

[Mike Monett]

"Renee"  wrote:
>
>Well, unless the forums are full of negativity I find that any forum or
>group will die when there's no moderator.  And sometimes the moderators just
>step away for whatever reason--health, personal issues, etc.  
>
>Don't give up on the machine.  If other people got success with it you will
>too.  Remember, with all healing modalities--ALL OF THEM--belief and intent
>is the biggest part of it.  Frequencies work--we know that much.  So if the
>machine actually does send out frequencies of any sort, and you believe it
>will work, it will work.  I've seen it happen all the time.  People will
>say--that's not possible, but of course it is when someone believes.  
>
>Get some rest.
>
>Samala,
>Renee

Thanks Renee. I believe what you say. Belief and intent are key. This
should be covered and stressed in the documentation that comes with the
unit.

But I was very disappointed to see such poor activity on the forums. I will
give it a try, and use the knowlege and experiences I had with the SE-5's.
I have a few spiritual tricks up my sleeve that will help also. But it is
so difficult to get back on those planes with the spore toxins. They simply
chop off all connections to the higher planes.

I have to lay down. talk later.

Mike


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Re: Cooking was // Re: CS>Removing Silver Tarnish

[Mike Monett]

James McDonald  wrote:

>If you woulds bring up the process of rubbing two sticks together to cook your 
>food, somebody will take exception. Just have to work around like a bad spot 
>on a new silicon wafer, run it through and throw out the damaged ones. 

LOL!

Thanks James. You are absolutely right.

Anyway, I am out of the microwave business. And, I fear, pretty soon I'll
be out of the Rife/Clark/FREX business also. I wish I knew what to do next.
Maybe I'll try reviving my new sub-micron filter design.

The new silver has arrived. As soon as the current crop of headaches fades,
I can get back to the SilverCell. I'll post results in the Yahoo forum.

Mike


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CS>Lyme disease

[Rodney Samuelson]

 

 

I make and consume 1 qt per day at 14 ppm.  How many years will it take?
Rod at cell 860-881-3734

 

RE: Cooking was // Re: CS>Removing Silver Tarnish

[Renee]

lolol

Samala,
Renee


-Original Message-

Note to self: do not discuss sex, politics, religion, or microwave on
silverlist.




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CS>mold

[Sara Mandal-Joy]

The fellow who runs this list, another Mike, has had mold problems 
himself, I believe, and may have some suggestions for you, Mike 
Monett.You could write him at listowner address??  He doesn't seem 
to have been active here in recent days.Another source for help 
might be  writing to the following woman ing...@bioethika.com, or 
checking out her websites.  She recovered from a mold problem.  I think 
first step was moving, actually.   She has many unusual perceptions and 
methodologies, and does sell some of the herbal products she found 
worked for her, but wants to help folks with mold exposure get well, and 
shares her ideas freely.   Sara



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RE: CS>Was: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities

[Renee]

Well, unless the forums are full of negativity I find that any forum or
group will die when there's no moderator.  And sometimes the moderators just
step away for whatever reason--health, personal issues, etc.  

Don't give up on the machine.  If other people got success with it you will
too.  Remember, with all healing modalities--ALL OF THEM--belief and intent
is the biggest part of it.  Frequencies work--we know that much.  So if the
machine actually does send out frequencies of any sort, and you believe it
will work, it will work.  I've seen it happen all the time.  People will
say--that's not possible, but of course it is when someone believes.  

Get some rest.

Samala,
Renee


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Things are not looking so good as before. 



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Re: Cooking was // Re: CS>Removing Silver Tarnish

[Mike Monett]

Sara Mandal-Joy  wrote:

[...]

Note to self: do not discuss sex, politics, religion, or microwave on
silverlist.


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Re: Cooking was // Re: CS>Removing Silver Tarnish

[James McDonald]

If you woulds bring up the process of rubbing two sticks together to cook your 
food, somebody will take exception. Just have to work around like a bad spot on 
a new silicon wafer, run it through and throw out the damaged ones.



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To: SilverList  
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: Cooking was // Re: CS>Removing Silver Tarnish
 
devorah...@yahoo.com wrote:

>Give me a break..I will never believe that microwaveing food is not bad...fear 
>>has nothing to do with it.

I'm sorry I even wasted my time trying. It won't happen again.

Your keyboard is using too many periods per sentence. Pretty soon you won't
have any left.

Thanks,

Mike Monett


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RE: CS>Was: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities

[Renee]

I hope you get that machine soon so you can get rid of your headaches.  So
sorry you have to suffer so much, but yet you still think of others. 

Samala,
Renee


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The silver has arrived from H&M. I'm too sick to do anything with it. I'll
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Re: CS>mold Was: Macular Degeneration;

[Mike Monett]

mgperrault  wrote:
>
>What odor?   cooked onions? smoke? cant get enough oxygen? Dusty wood 
>like smell?  Did you find mold?
>
>Simoncini indicates baking soda for mold
>
>There are some herbs for mold here
>http://www.sacred-medicine.org/sms_products/sms_mold.php
>
>max

Thanx max. burning wood odor. terrible headaches. problem has been going on
for over a decade. got a bad exposure in a house in Ottawa in 2001. it
destroyed my business. mnost of the spores come from the basement. this is
new and just started a day orso ago. don't know where it is coming from.
very bad.

Mike


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Re: CS>Was: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities

[Mike Monett]

Renee,

The silver has arrived from H&M. I'm too sick to do anything with it. I'll
clean it and stick it in the Anchor Hocking Stainless cannister.

Anyway now I can get back to work on the SilverCell. I'll post results to
the Yahoo forum.

Mike


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Re: Cooking was // Re: CS>Removing Silver Tarnish

[Sara Mandal-Joy]

I did do that, years ago, with result that I will never use a microwave 
in my home.  I used a total of twelve plants, to make sure it wasn't a 
fluke.  All conditions the same.  Used peanuts, which I use for testing 
many things, as to various garden supplements and such.   All water was 
filtered tap water which had then sat out for twelve hours to evaporate 
the chlorine, which is problematic for plants, under any conditions.
There was no discernible difference between the peanuts watered with 
plain water and those with stove boiled (and then cooled to equal temp 
to the plain water).  They all thrived.  The peanuts watered with 
microwaved (and then cooled) water were slow to germinate, were 
sickly/spindly looking as they did come up, and within two weeks of 
continued watering (when dry - same as the others) they were all three 
dead.  You may not understand what it is doing to you, or why it is 
doing it to you, but it IS harmful to living growing things.  I have to 
wonder if eating almost entirely microwaved food is part of what is 
causing your ill health.  I wish you well.  Genuinely.Sara
You need to repeat the test using plain water as a control, microwaved 
water as the variable, and stove heated water as the other control. 
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CS>mold Was: Macular Degeneration;

[mgperrault]

What odor?   cooked onions? smoke? cant get enough oxygen? Dusty wood 
like smell?  Did you find mold?


Simoncini indicates baking soda for mold

There are some herbs for mold here
http://www.sacred-medicine.org/sms_products/sms_mold.php

max




On 5/11/2012 8:23 AM, Mike Monett wrote:

Renee,

Things are not looking so good as before.

After much prodding, James sent me the Yahoo Group link for the ABPA. Here
it is:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/biophoton/

As you can see from the message history at the bottom of the page, the last
messages were in Dec, 2011. I wrote him back that I was concerned about the
lack of activity.

Using that as a reference, I found another ABPA group:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Advanced-Bio-Photon-Analyzer/

That one is even worse. The last message was in 2009.

No wonder Lena didn't want to give any recommendations.

Oh well, I may have just blown a $200 restocking fee. I wish I had known
about these forums before placing the order.

Chances are now slim that the device will work. But I'll give it a try
anyway. I have so few options left on killing the mold spores I'll try
anything if it has the slightest chance of working.

Thanks for the excellent summary on other healing modalities. I'll study it
later.

I'm starting to get the same awful odor as a day or so ago. I can't tell
where it is coming from.  Getting very bad headaches.





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Re: CS>Was: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities

[Mike Monett]

Renee,

Things are not looking so good as before. 

After much prodding, James sent me the Yahoo Group link for the ABPA. Here
it is:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/biophoton/

As you can see from the message history at the bottom of the page, the last
messages were in Dec, 2011. I wrote him back that I was concerned about the
lack of activity.

Using that as a reference, I found another ABPA group:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Advanced-Bio-Photon-Analyzer/

That one is even worse. The last message was in 2009.

No wonder Lena didn't want to give any recommendations.

Oh well, I may have just blown a $200 restocking fee. I wish I had known
about these forums before placing the order.

Chances are now slim that the device will work. But I'll give it a try
anyway. I have so few options left on killing the mold spores I'll try
anything if it has the slightest chance of working.

Thanks for the excellent summary on other healing modalities. I'll study it
later.

I'm starting to get the same awful odor as a day or so ago. I can't tell
where it is coming from.  Getting very bad headaches. 

Bye for now

Mike Monett

"Renee"  wrote:
>
>I DO hope it works for you.  What a blessing huh?  Do let us know.  If it's
>that good it may be worth saving up for.  It's hard to distinguish which
>device is worth the money because there are so many, and a number of people
>on various lists have different machines and most all love the ones they
>have.  So it's hard to say which one to spend money on.
>
>Samala,
>Renee
>
>
>-Original Message-
>
>This would be so nice if it works and gets rid of these headaches. I sure
>would like to be able to sleep longer than 3 or 4 hours, and not wake  up
>clogged full of spores with a splitting headache and all the other crap
>from the toxins.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mike Monett
>
>
>
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Re: Cooking was // Re: CS>Removing Silver Tarnish

[mgperrault]

The pasteurization and homogenization of milk changes its nutritional 
value for some reason.  The difference between raw and pasteurized is 
not subtle.  But chemically, both contain the same ingredients.  
Microwave has some effect on food as does cooking.  Raw food does not 
have the same nutritional value as cooked food.  This argument that once 
food undergoes digestion, it is so disassembled that it does not matter 
what the original state was (microwaved or not, cooked or not) does not 
stand up against experience.  The only answer is that the argument is 
flawed.


What is curious, as others have mentioned, is that Mr Monett can accept 
the unknown energies of radionics.  There is no question that microwaved 
food is different than non microwaved food.  So the only question is if 
this altered food is equal, less or greater in health benefit.  
Imprinting with the unknown radionic signatures is only one of many 
possible changes that we may not take into consideration.


This same curious myopia is evidenced in the discussion on rife machines 
and magnetic fields.  As a general trend,  we find our man made chemical 
concoctions and food alterations being less healthy, or more toxic, the 
more we know about them.  Chemicals, plastics, pesticides, GMOs, lead 
and other metals. This is striking.


The same general principle should be applied to our experimentation with 
our other concoctions, silver being the obvious subject.  We really dont 
even know how safe it is,...what the total effect is on our bodies.  Its 
not a benign nutrient, but a potent catalyst  with the obvious potential 
to kill life forms, de-differentiate our cells and travel into the brain.


max


On 5/11/2012 1:57 AM, Mike Monett wrote:

"Mike Monett"  wrote:


Try Snopes. That same claim is discussed and disproven:

http://www.snopes.com/science/microwave/plants.asp

Another test. Different plants. Same result.

Conclusion - Microwaved water does not kill plants.

http://microwavetest.blogspot.ca/

There may be more tests, but the trend is clear. If microwaved water kills
plants, it should have done so in the above tests. That did not happen.

I really, really am very sorry I brought the whole issue of microwaving
food up.

That will not happen again.

Thanks,

Mike Monett






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Re: CS>Chemistry Tutorials

[Jane MacRoss]

I wish I could say the same of the surgeons!!

Jane



Kirsteen, of course it is a myth! You can't drop food on the floor and
expect it to remain sterile.

The place I have seen it used is while taking a rack of sterilized beakers
from a hot autoclave. One fell on the floor. The professor said "10-second
rule" and picked it up and put it back in the rack.

I would have put it back with the unsterilized beakers instead. why take
chances?



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Re: CS>Re: Mike / Re: electricity

[Jane MacRoss]

Thanks Debbie I started doing that too - every little helps!
  - Original Message - 
  From: Deborah Gerard 
  Jane..be sure and unplug everything if you are not using it. Just because 
it's off doesn't me it is not using electricity

  Debbie :)

Re: CS>Chemistry Tutorials

[Mike Monett]

Kirsteen Wright  wrote:
>
>On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 2:45 AM, Mike Monett  wrote:
>
>> Anyone interested in learning chemistry will quickly find out about the
>> 10-second rule. If you drop something sterile, and can pick it up in 10
>> seconds, you may consider it is still sterile.
>
>Hmmm article arguing against it here
>
>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1352440/5-second-rule-myth-Food-poisoning-caused-picked-immediately.html
>
>and even more here
>
>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2138777/The-second-rule-fact-fiction-Scientists-reveal-food-dropped-floor-safe-eat.html
>
>Cheers
>Kirsteen

Kirsteen, of course it is a myth! You can't drop food on the floor and
expect it to remain sterile.

The place I have seen it used is while taking a rack of sterilized beakers
from a hot autoclave. One fell on the floor. The professor said "10-second
rule" and picked it up and put it back in the rack.

I would have put it back with the unsterilized beakers instead. why take
chances?

Thanks,

Mike Monett


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CS>Re: Mike / Re: electricity

[Deborah Gerard]

Jane..be sure and unplug everything if you are not using it. Just because it's 
off doesn't me it is not using electricity
 
Debbie :)
 


 From: Jane MacRoss 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: Mike / Re: Cooking was // Re: CS>Removing Silver Tarnish
  

  
Sure - only I don't use it to 
cook with, never have and never will - just doesn't appeal to me.  I cook 
with gas - even the toast and the water get heated with gas. I'm a bit of a 
stirrer you see & enjoy stirring as I cook :))  I use it to 
reheat drinks sometimes and to heat plates and to heat my heat pack which 
smells of very burnt wheat!!  I'm aiming to see how low I can get our 
electricity bill this quarter too. 
  
Yes blessing food, drink and 
people is a blessing indeed - more than we may ever know! Emoto is wonderful in 
his blessing of the inhabitants of our planet. 
  
Jane 
  
From: grace1...@aol.com  

>I think Dr. Emoto was the one who showed the influence of love (versus  
>negative emotions) on water.  Why not just "bless" the food with love  after 
>microwaving,as that should make the water healthier than even before  
>microwaving? 
>
>Jill 
>
>  

Re: Mike / Re: Cooking was // Re: CS>Removing Silver Tarnish

[Jane MacRoss]

Sure - only I don't use it to cook with, never have and never will - just 
doesn't appeal to me.  I cook with gas - even the toast and the water get 
heated with gas. I'm a bit of a stirrer you see & enjoy stirring as I cook :))  
I use it to reheat drinks sometimes and to heat plates and to heat my heat pack 
which smells of very burnt wheat!!  I'm aiming to see how low I can get our 
electricity bill this quarter too.

Yes blessing food, drink and people is a blessing indeed - more than we may 
ever know! Emoto is wonderful in his blessing of the inhabitants of our planet.

Jane

From: grace1...@aol.com 


  I think Dr. Emoto was the one who showed the influence of love (versus 
negative emotions) on water.  Why not just "bless" the food with love after 
microwaving,as that should make the water healthier than even before 
microwaving?

  Jill

Re: Mike / Re: Cooking was // Re: CS>Removing Silver Tarnish

[Deborah Gerard]

God gave us a brain to use before we bless the food...something about using 
radiation to heat up food just isn't right...and what is with the warning about 
standing two feet away while it is heating up the food?...It's not fear it's 
about wanting to be as healthy as I can be...being responsible I guess :)

 


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To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: Mike / Re: Cooking was // Re: CS>Removing Silver Tarnish
  

 
I think Dr. Emoto was the one who showed the influence of love (versus 
negative emotions) on water.  Why not just "bless" the food with love after 
microwaving,as that should make the water healthier than even before 
microwaving? 

Jill 

In a message dated 5/10/2012 9:25:26 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
highfie...@internode.on.net writes: 
Yes I'm acquainted with those areas  and agree with you Lena - I never cook 
with my microwave - it just  doesn't feel right - I don't use a cell phone 
either.  I still like  different view points.  Regardless or what I read I 
still make  choices which suit me.  
>  
>hugs 
>  
>Jane 
>  
>- Original Message -  
>>From: Guyot Léna  
>>
>>Hi Jane, 
>>For a long time, convenience  had made me turn a blind eye to much of what 
>>I've read about negative  effects of microwave on food. 
>>Then I read "The Hidden  Messages in Water' by Masaru Emoto, a scientist who 
>>became fascinated by the  structures of ice crystals after varying factors 
>>were used on water (types  of music, words taped to container, micro-wave, 
>>etc.). He did a small,  scientific paper about his observations and it that 
>>went viral, then was  republished for the general public. Just seeing the 
>>deformed structure of  micro-waved water has made me finally use it rarely. I 
>>simply didn't want  that sort of ugly chaos in the water of my body.  
>>
>> 
>>It also made me rethink the  studies done years ago of plants leaning toward 
>>or cringing from different  types of music, language, etc. It might not have 
>>been the plants responding  at all, but rather, the water within the plants. 
>>Check it out! 
>>
>>

Re: Mike / Re: Cooking was // Re: CS>Removing Silver Tarnish

[Grace1way]

I think Dr. Emoto was the one who showed the influence of love (versus  
negative emotions) on water.  Why not just "bless" the food with love after  
microwaving,as that should make the water healthier than even before  
microwaving?
 
Jill
 
 
In a message dated 5/10/2012 9:25:26 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
highfie...@internode.on.net writes:

Yes I'm acquainted with those areas  and agree with you Lena - I never cook 
with my microwave - it just  doesn't feel right - I don't use a cell phone 
either.  I still like  different view points.  Regardless or what I read I 
still make  choices which suit me. 
 
hugs
 
Jane
 

- Original Message - 
From:  _Guyot Léna_ (mailto:drumr...@stny.rr.com)  


Hi Jane,  
For a long time, convenience  had made me turn a blind eye to much of what 
I've read about negative  effects of microwave on food.
Then I read "The Hidden  Messages in Water' by Masaru Emoto, a scientist 
who became fascinated by the  structures of ice crystals after varying factors 
were used on water (types  of music, words taped to container, micro-wave, 
etc.). He did a small,  scientific paper about his observations and it that 
went viral, then was  republished for the general public. Just seeing the 
deformed structure of  micro-waved water has made me finally use it rarely. I 
simply didn't want  that sort of ugly chaos in the water of my body. 


It also made me rethink the  studies done years ago of plants leaning 
toward or cringing from different  types of music, language, etc. It might not 
have been the plants responding  at all, but rather, the water within the 
plants. Check it out!

Re: Cooking was // Re: CS>Removing Silver Tarnish

[Ode Coyote]

  The two plants may have been pruned differently too.
Some plants are highly sensitive to proper pruning, then open wounds and 
possible infection.

Water heated in the same container?

The first photo of plants in vases had different neck areas that would 
change oxygen absorption rates.

Heating water drives off dissolved gasses.
If you cover tree roots with a little extra soil, it'll die from Oxygen 
starvation.


The experiment ignored a few variables.

ode

At 04:24 AM 5/11/2012 -0400, you wrote:

Mark  wrote:
>
>So if microwave is so harmless then could someone explain why plants die 
if they are watered with microwaved water?

>
>Here's some evidence...
>
>Http://Hinduism.co.za/trees.htm
>
>I did the test myself, but never captured photos and I got the same results.
>
>-Regards,
>
>Mark

Try Snopes. That same claim is discussed and disproven:

http://www.snopes.com/science/microwave/plants.asp

Heating water on a stove has the same effect as a microwave. The water
molecules absorb the energy and move faster. When you remove the source of
energy, they cool and slow down.

You need to repeat the test using plain water as a control, microwaved
water as the variable, and stove heated water as the other control.

Let us know what you find out.

Thanks,

Mike Monett


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[Ode Coyote]

##  Problems compared to what, standing around at a Mercury vapor spewing 
deisel bus stop?


Maybe an electric bus that generates enough Ozone and Nitric Acid to rot 
and corrode it's own wiring.




ode


Cigarettes weren't thought to be causing problems either all those years 
ago...




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At 01:00 PM 11/05/2012, you wrote:
I hear what you're saying  Jill - so what does my Gauss meter tell me - 
that the micowave even when off emits something that registers, as do the 
new light globes, unlike the olde ones?  I will never like Smart Meters 
however.


Jane
From: grace1...@aol.com

I think we may be missing what's really going on here!  Fearful but 
authoritative sounding disinformation is planted by those who feed off of 
fear and control the masses thereby.  I think the microwave goes in that 
category, as do the new mandated fluorescent bulbs, and the smart 
meters.  There is always somebody saying they were harmed by these, or 
"proving" their case scientifically, but they are probably paid to do 
that.  I once read about someone who turned blue from ingesting colloidal 
silver admitting on their death bed that they had lied because they were 
paid to do so, and were afraid they would go to hell for it!


Another way to tell what is true is to see what reaction the information 
causes.  Whatever ideas engender fear are not "true" in some sense.  It's 
not so easy to dissect information from supposed authorities with 
technical educations, but quite easy to gauge the reaction to the 
information!  On the other hand, whatever brings about trust in life 
experience, belief in ourselves and the goodness of all that is, is 
"true."  An experiment would be to examine all one's reactions and 
beliefs in that light, and choose to believe what is "true" for one week, 
while disregarding what is false.  Don't take anybody's word for 
anything!  Try it and see what you find out!


Jill
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[Ode Coyote]

  Masaru Emoto is such a misleading fraud.
Did he compare the nuked water crystal [oops.. ICE crystal ] to frozen 
previously boiled water?
He fails to mention how crystal nucleation affects how the fractal arms of 
the ICE crystals grow...setting a pattern.

Could it be that a complex lopsided nucleus sets a lopsided pattern?

Yup, he hid a lot of messages, all right.

PS...my dot com sends my keyboard new dots every day.

Ode

At 11:48 PM 5/10/2012 -0400, you wrote:

Hi Jane,
For a long time, convenience had made me turn a blind eye to much of what 
I've read about negative effects of microwave on food.
Then I read "The Hidden Messages in Water' by Masaru Emoto, a scientist 
who became fascinated by the structures of ice crystals after varying 
factors were used on water (types of music, words taped to container, 
micro-wave, etc.). He did a small, scientific paper about his observations 
and it that went viral, then was republished for the general public. Just 
seeing the deformed structure of micro-waved water has made me finally use 
it rarely. I simply didn't want that sort of ugly chaos in the water of my 
body.


It also made me rethink the studies done years ago of plants leaning 
toward or cringing from different types of music, language, etc. It might 
not have been the plants responding at all, but rather, the water within 
the plants. Check it out!


Be well,
Léna



On May 10, 2012, at 10:50 PM, Jane MacRoss wrote:

Thanks Mike - you have made me more determined to look for the article 
(which was way above my head) so you can check their info - well I cook 
however it occurs to me to do it at that moment - ("cooking" eggs means I 
melt a little butter and solidify the albumin and warm the whole item a 
little)  but overall it's how the body responds to what and how I prepare 
food that is the final test!   //  People I know including my now retired 
doctor will not allow mechanical preparation of food, ("high speed") nor 
anyone even to stir his tea - so who knows how significant vibration is - 
his Spiritual Master was Tibetan // NO not Lobsang LOL!!!


Many thanks  //  Jane

- Original Message - From: "Mike Monett" 
<mrmon...@pstca.com>


I am an old electronics engineer. I have worked on high power microwave and
communications equipment all my life. I used to stick my hand full of neon
bulbs into the radiator feed to check the power output and look for birds
nests in the waveguide. My hands are still attached and have not turned
green.

There is nothing truthful in the claims that microwaves can cause harmful
changes to food. This is purely fear-mongering. It has no basis in fact.

The only thing the microwaves can do is cause the water molecules to rotate
and rub against each other. It is the same as rubbing your hands to warm
them in the winter.

Of course the heat will cause changes in the DNA. So does cooking on a
stove. This does not matter. The things you do to food to digest it are far
more severe than heating the water content in a microwave. The hydrochloric
acid and pepsin in your stomach will start the breakdown process that
removes the proteins and breaks them down so they can be digested and
utilized in the body.

Cooking in the microwave is much safer than pan frying or grilling over an
open flame. There are no heterocyclic amines or polycyclic aromatic
hydrocarbons that form. See
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/cooked-meats 
for more

information.

Of course, you knew that already, didn't you.

Thanks,

Mike Monett



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Re: Cooking was // Re: CS>Removing Silver Tarnish

[Ode Coyote]

 Never met a chicken that lived through being microwaved.
DEFINITE negative health effects.

Never met one that made it out of an electric oven either, but both were 
cooked by concentrated electromagnetic radiation exciting their molecules.

Neither became radioactive.
Both were chemically altered the same way.
But one develops a more flavorful carcinogenic crust.
Nuked chicken is exactly the same as boiled chicken, both done in hot water.

If you kill the chickens first, neither chicken worries about its health.

Ode


At 05:17 PM 5/10/2012 -0700, you wrote:
Did Mike even do some basic google searching to confirm there is no 
evidence microwaves have negative health effects?  No, it appears not.




On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Mike Monett 
<mrmon...@pstca.com> wrote:

devorah...@yahoo.com wrote:

>Give me a break..I will never believe that microwaveing food is not 
bad...fear >has nothing to do with it.


I'm sorry I even wasted my time trying. It won't happen again.

Your keyboard is using too many periods per sentence. Pretty soon you won't
have any left.

Thanks,

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Re: Cooking was // Re: CS>Removing Silver Tarnish

[Ode Coyote]

  Mike nailed one.
Off to the Myth factory scrap yard.

The nuke box did used to cook your eyes a little if you stared at the food, 
but no more with better shielding.
So did staring at myths on the internet using an old CRT monitor...staring 
down the barrel of an electron gun.

A solar oven is all about concentrated radiation.

 So, still living in a ocean of radiation.
and
Still prefer a good ole burnt carcinogen burger soaking up smoke and wood 
resins.


ode

At 07:28 PM 5/10/2012 -0400, you wrote:

"Jane MacRoss"  wrote:
>
>Oh dear I read absolutely nothing good about microwaves.
>
>I even burn my heat pack in mine & it's all I use it for!

I am an old electronics engineer. I have worked on high power microwave and
communications equipment all my life. I used to stick my hand full of neon
bulbs into the radiator feed to check the power output and look for birds
nests in the waveguide. My hands are still attached and have not turned
green.

There is nothing truthful in the claims that microwaves can cause harmful
changes to food. This is purely fear-mongering. It has no basis in fact.

The only thing the microwaves can do is cause the water molecules to rotate
and rub against each other. It is the same as rubbing your hands to warm
them in the winter.

Of course the heat will cause changes in the DNA. So does cooking on a
stove. This does not matter. The things you do to food to digest it are far
more severe than heating the water content in a microwave. The hydrochloric
acid and pepsin in your stomach will start the breakdown process that
removes the proteins and breaks them down so they can be digested and
utilized in the body.

Cooking in the microwave is much safer than pan frying or grilling over an
open flame. There are no heterocyclic amines or polycyclic aromatic
hydrocarbons that form. See
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/cooked-meats for more
information.

Of course, you knew that already, didn't you.

Thanks,

Mike Monett


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Re: Cooking was // Re: CS>Removing Silver Tarnish

[Grace1way]

The fluorescent light globes were said to give off something (sorry, don't  
remember what) that "causes cancer."  In the US, after June or July, we  
will not be able to buy the old incandescent bulbs any longer (to save power, 
we  are told).
 
I have had a smart meter, with no ill effects, except when it was first  
installed and I was afraid of it (at that time developed strong  headaches 
right after until I released my fears--then the headaches  went away and have 
not returned.  Without the fears of it I've had no  further symptoms).  
 
Back to what I was suggesting for experimentation--consider the effects of  
an explanation that causes fear.  What would be the results of believing  
the explanation and acting on the fear?  Who would benefit, and what are  the 
results from personal, or mass, acceptance?  If one does this  experiment 
consistently, some very amazing, life changing observable patterns  will 
emerge.  This method is so much simpler (anyone can do it) than  trying to 
figure out scientific "evidence" which is often not checkable without  
equipment, 
experience, and technical education.  
 
Also, consider that fear itself can cause negative manifestations; the  
plants in the watering experiment can probably pick up our fear.   
Consciousness may be the primal power, and whoever/whatever we allow to  
control our 
consciousness ascends to the position of power over us.  This  is very 
successfully done through the crafty release of disinformation.  To  this 
point, the 
wars of disinformation are conducted so successfully because  people are 
not aware of what is going on, focusing on the information, rather  than the 
intent and result.  Even actual physical wars could not be  enacted were it 
not for the disinformation accompanying them. 
 
Jill
 
 
In a message dated 5/10/2012 10:26:51 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
mrmon...@pstca.com writes:

"Jane  MacRoss"  wrote:
>
>I hear what  you're saying  Jill - so what does my Gauss meter tell me - 
that the  micowave even when off emits something that registers, as do the 
new light  globes, unlike the olde ones?  I will never like Smart Meters  
however.
>
>Jane

A microwave oven uses a magnetron to  convert the energy into microwaves.
There is a brief explanation in  Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavity_magnetron

The  magnetron requires very strong magnets to force the electrons to flow
in  circles past the cavities. You can barely see the magnets in the  photo
below. The bottom magnet is the black ring below the bottom cooling  fin.
The top magnet is almost completely hidden near the top of the  housing.

"http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/Magnetron1.jpg";

I  take old magnetrons apart and retrieve the magnets. They are very  useful
for picking up steel objects you may have dropped on the floor and  can't
find.

They throw a strong field quite a distance outside the  microwave oven. If
you have a sensitive gauss meter, you will easily detect  the field. It is
usually on the right side of the oven about the middle.  There will be very
little field on the same location on the left side of  the oven because it
is further away from the magnetron. You can make the  same measurements with
an ordinary compass.

The magnetic field is  harmless. It is static, like the Earth's field. It
may actually be weaker  outside the oven than the fridge magnets you use to
save notes on the  fridge door.

The field from the magnetron is permanent. It does not  shut off when you
unplug the oven.

I don't know what you are  referring to when you talk about light globes. I
can't think of what might  be in them to register on your Gauss meter, but
if you gave a link to one,  I might be able to find out.

A Gauss meter measures DC static fields.  These cannot harm you. You are
immersed in a constant field from the Earth.  The mesurements you get from
the Gauss meter are not giving you any useful  information about any
dangerous conditions.

Thanks,

Mike  Monett


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RE: CS>other healing modalities

[Lisa]

Thank you Renee!!!

-Original Message-
From: Renee [mailto:gaiac...@gmail.com] 
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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
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EFT:
Here's a link where you can sign up for the free tapping thing--many of the
most famous EFT practitioners teach and you can learn much by listening in
and tapping along on each teleseminar.  You don't need to buy their material
unless you are so moved.

check it out here and join the over 500,000 registeredYes tapping is
huge and growing! 
http://thetappingsolution.com/cmd.php?Clk=4718275
Remember it's 100% fr*ee to attend online, but you only have 24 hours to
hear each set of speakers.

 You sign up, and they notify you each day someone speaks, and if you can't
make it 'live' you have 24 hours to listen to a recording.  Then they take
the recording down.

DMT:  simpler tapping method, based on Huna and a Huna explanation of why it
works.  Very simple yet great for physical problems especially.  I
personally prefer EFT for emotional problems (and to set new habits in
place) but prefer DMT for physical problems. 
http://www.alohainternational.org/html/dmteng.html  

MIR Method:www.mirmethod.com  very basic but seems to be powerful.  We are
seldom touched and seldom touched in such a comforting way.  It's good to
know you can do it for yourself and since it's quick and easy and free,
totally worth trying.  The videos shows exactly how to do it if there is any
question about the written explanation.

The Emotion Code: This is a course in muscle testing to get the body to
correctly answer questions.  Then from there it teaches you a simple
fool-proof way of finding out exactly WHICH emotion the body is hiding a
memory of, and how to get rid of the blocked emotion.  Dr. Nelson use to
offer a free copy of the ebook on his site but that form is missing now,
that I can see.  Here are a couple places to get it for free, it seems like:
http://getavision.org/emotion-code-ebook/  seems to be totally free with
Nelson's blessings
http://www.free-ebooks.net/ebook/The-Emotion-Code-How-to-Release-Your-Trappe
d-Emotions-for-Abundant-Health-Love-and-Happiness-  seems to be free after
you sign up and choose the free 'membership' which only allows 5 ebook
downloads a month, but The Emotion Code is one of these so you will get it
for free.
And Dr. Nelson still has the page up for sending any soldier you know, who
tells Nelson he/she is interested in receiving the book, Nelson will send
the soldier a free copy--because it's SO good for helping get over PTSD
(better even than EFT I think, and that's basically what EFT was originally
designed for!)
http://theemotioncode.com/saveasoldier/ 


SSS Cards: these are frequency/prayer cards, meaning that they have
thousands of prayers behind them, included with the frequency.  This
wonderful homeopathic doctor in India went from village to village helping
sick people, but when he left the village, even if he left medicine, the
medicine soon ran out and there was no one trained enough to continue
helping the people.  So he prayed for inspiration and was given these
symbols.  He now can go into each village and teach one person how to use
the cards, then leave a set of cards in each village and they can cure
themselves!  He's so wonderful he put the whole system on line for free for
anyone.  People all over the world use these cards and the energy in them is
very powerful.  I cured my gallbladder problem with these cards--the
unbearable pain ceased in 10 minutes.  I was so impressed with his work and
his generosity that I wrote him because he said the cards were also now in
book form, but I could not find it anywhere.  He wrote back and said it was
published and sold in India but that they shipped them anywhere and gave me
the name of the company.  I'd never bought one thing on line before, and
just KNEW someone in India was going to confiscate my credit card and take
all my money (:-) but as I said, I wanted to support his wonderful work, so
held my breath and ordered it.  It came in a few weeks and the box smelled
SO wonderful, spices from India!  Lol  But the whole book is on line for
free.  Download the cards and print them out.  I placed them into a baseball
scrapbook--that holds baseball cards, so that I can see them and set the
water on top without worrying about damaging the cards from getting wet.
The whole explanation is on line, though it can be hard to figure out at
first.  The first link I'm sending is to the cards and the explanation of
how to use them.  The second link is the background on the cards, how they
came to be, etc.
http://www.saisanjeevini.org/welcome.htm  (check back often as he adds cards
as needed, though you can sign up for a newsletter that only comes out when
he adds cards)
http://www.saisanjeevini.org/cover.htm  


SEM labels: these are also frequency 'cards' in the form of labels that you
put on water bottles for an hour, then you drink the water.  Kind of lik

Re: CS>too many periods.....

[devorahg99]

Wellsaid.thank...U:-P

Sent via my Samsung Replenish from Boost Mobile

Sara Mandal-Joy  wrote:

>On 5/10/2012 7:09 PM, Mike Monett wrote:
>> Your keyboard is using too many periods per sentence. Pretty soon you won't
>> have any left.
>Mike, I realize you may be trying to throw a bit of humor into things, 
>but it feels like one more example of your needing to be the one 
>pronouncing what is right or true for everyone else.  Some of us LOVE 
>creative freeflow writing, with a zillion periods Some of us 
>have experience with and nonordinary understanding about many things 
>that your way of thinking does not seem to allow for, and needs to rail 
>against.  You are not the deciding voice of what is truth.  No one can 
>be that for any other, no matter how many "facts" you believe you 
>rationally can capture and logically present.   Just let folks be, 
>maybe???Maybe if you listened to more of what others have to say, 
>just listen, as if you were watching a movie, rather than bombasting 
>about what they have to say and how it differs from what you _know_ to 
>be true;;you might even find yourself noticing and perhaps 
>hearing from more of your own self, your own being, stuff that usually 
>gets shut down by your all-knowing all-certain mind...   
>Maybe.
>
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Re: Watering plants: trial was // Re: Cooking was // Re: CS>Removing Silver Tarnish

[Mark]

Thanks Jane,
I'll keep all posted with the methodology (for comment) & results as I go along 
over the next few weeks.

Regards,

Mark


On 11 May 2012, at 13:32, "Jane MacRoss"  wrote:

It's important to know if things are true or not - and it's good to try the 
plant + water trial again - I think the other trial with plants to be found on 
YouTube was Marshal's daughter - not sure he's in this group tho.

There could be 4 trials, tap water, filtered water without chlorine and 
fluoride, stove-top boiled water and microwave boiled water - all water to be 
given to the plant specimens at the same temperature. All plant conditions to 
be as identical as possible for light, warmth, draught etc.

Jane



> 
> There may be more tests, but the trend is clear. If microwaved water kills
> plants, it should have done so in the above tests. That did not happen.
> 
> I really, really am very sorry I brought the whole issue of microwaving
> food up.
> 


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[Jane MacRoss]

It's important to know if things are true or not - and it's good to try the 
plant + water trial again - I think the other trial with plants to be found 
on YouTube was Marshal's daughter - not sure he's in this group tho.


There could be 4 trials, tap water, filtered water without chlorine and 
fluoride, stove-top boiled water and microwave boiled water - all water to 
be given to the plant specimens at the same temperature. All plant 
conditions to be as identical as possible for light, warmth, draught etc.


Jane





There may be more tests, but the trend is clear. If microwaved water kills
plants, it should have done so in the above tests. That did not happen.

I really, really am very sorry I brought the whole issue of microwaving
food up.




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Re: CS>Chemistry Tutorials

[Kirsteen Wright]

On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 2:45 AM, Mike Monett  wrote:

>
>
> Anyone interested in learning chemistry will quickly find out about the
> 10-second rule. If you drop something sterile, and can pick it up in 10
> seconds, you may consider it is still sterile.
>
>
Hmmm article arguing against it here

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1352440/5-second-rule-myth-Food-poisoning-caused-picked-immediately.html

and even more here

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2138777/The-second-rule-fact-fiction-Scientists-reveal-food-dropped-floor-safe-eat.html

Cheers
Kirsteen

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[Mike Monett]

"Mike Monett"  wrote:

>Try Snopes. That same claim is discussed and disproven:
>
>http://www.snopes.com/science/microwave/plants.asp

Another test. Different plants. Same result. 

Conclusion - Microwaved water does not kill plants.

http://microwavetest.blogspot.ca/

There may be more tests, but the trend is clear. If microwaved water kills
plants, it should have done so in the above tests. That did not happen.

I really, really am very sorry I brought the whole issue of microwaving
food up.

That will not happen again.

Thanks,

Mike Monett


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[Mark]

I'll buy some fresh plants this weekend & run the tests as described. Then I'll 
report back on the results (with pics)

Regards,

Mark


On 11 May 2012, at 10:24, "Mike Monett"  wrote:

Mark  wrote:
> 
> So if microwave is so harmless then could someone explain why plants die if 
> they are watered with microwaved water?
> 
> Here's some evidence...
> 
> Http://Hinduism.co.za/trees.htm
> 
> I did the test myself, but never captured photos and I got the same results.
> 
> -Regards,
> 
> Mark

Try Snopes. That same claim is discussed and disproven:

http://www.snopes.com/science/microwave/plants.asp

Heating water on a stove has the same effect as a microwave. The water
molecules absorb the energy and move faster. When you remove the source of
energy, they cool and slow down.

You need to repeat the test using plain water as a control, microwaved
water as the variable, and stove heated water as the other control.

Let us know what you find out.

Thanks,

Mike Monett


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[Mike Monett]

Mark  wrote:
>
>So if microwave is so harmless then could someone explain why plants die if 
>they are watered with microwaved water?
>
>Here's some evidence...
>
>Http://Hinduism.co.za/trees.htm
>
>I did the test myself, but never captured photos and I got the same results.
>
>-Regards,
>
>Mark

Try Snopes. That same claim is discussed and disproven:

http://www.snopes.com/science/microwave/plants.asp

Heating water on a stove has the same effect as a microwave. The water
molecules absorb the energy and move faster. When you remove the source of
energy, they cool and slow down.

You need to repeat the test using plain water as a control, microwaved
water as the variable, and stove heated water as the other control.

Let us know what you find out.

Thanks,

Mike Monett


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[Mark]

So if microwave is so harmless then could someone explain why plants die if 
they are watered with microwaved water?

Here's some evidence...
Http://Hinduism.co.za/trees.htm

I did the test myself, but never captured photos and I got the same results.

-Regards,

Mark


On 11 May 2012, at 2:23, "Mike Monett"  wrote:

David AuBuchon  wrote:

> Did Mike even do some basic google searching to confirm there is no
> evidence microwaves have negative health effects?  No, it appears not.

Yes, Mike did all the googling to search for evidence of harm.

Like most things, a weak analysis capability can convince you of anything.

I am finished with this topic.

Thanks,

Mike Monett


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