RE: CS>Silver & PH

[M.G. Devour]

Mike M. wrote:
>   This means  cs  will demonstrate all the limitations  of  the immune
>   system. For example, it cannot go inside cells to get at pathogens.

Jim B. wrote:
> Interesting. I thought silver water killed everything but if it cannot get
> inside the cells I guess you can only take it to keep stuff from spreading -
> if you already have an infection of some kind. I take it often but as my PH
> has dropped I wondered if there was any effect. 

Does anyone other than Mike M. support that hypothesis? It's not clear
that anyone has complete knowledge of silver's mechanism(s) of effect.

> I guess I have some other
> problem and will continue my Arm and Hammer baking soda dosing of 12
> teaspoon 2x/day.

Jim, I just went through a similar protocol. Are you mixing the bicarb
with any form of sweetener, or taking it straight?

>From my experience with up to 7.5 tsp per dose, that's an incredible
amount to take at one sitting. 

I found that how I prepared the dose played a role in how much effect it
had on my pH levels.

Are you getting your pH to move the right way?

Peace,

Mike D.




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Re: CS>water alkalizers and silver

[David AuBuchon]

Does regular electrolysis break up water clusters, thus possibly making a
confounding variable with CS?  Meaning the declustered water could improve
detox, making it responsible for part of the health improvements in some
people?

There is a study showing greatly reduced pH of people drinking magnetized
water as compared to regular water, indicating more acidic wastes being
removed.  Magnetized water presumably works also by breaking up clusters.
So improvements with CS therapy could possibly be in part due to detox and
not infection killing?

On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Ode Coyote wrote:

>
>
>   You CS is already half alkaline water...except for whatever part of it
> that has made silver hydroxide.
>
> Ode
>
>
>
> At 09:59 PM 5/14/2012 -0700, you wrote:
>
> Anyhow, I suppose one could run DW through an alkalizer and then use that
> to brew CS.
>
> On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 9:36 PM, Renee  wrote:
>
>
> I think if that were the case then someone would already be doing it.
> Once the material is saturated the water shouldn’t flow across at all, so
> it’s actually a block, I would think.  Whereas any size opening, without a
> block, would admit water through as a flow, even if it was very narrow.
>
>
>
> Samala,
>
> Renee
>
>
>
> From: David AuBuchon 
> [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com]
>
>
>
>
> Perhaps if you omitted the sponge, but made the connecting tube rally
> narrow, that the electrolysis would outpace the mixing of the water, and
> some distinct product could be produced with silver electrodes?
>
>

Re: CS>water alkalizers and silver

[Ode Coyote]

  You CS is already half alkaline water...except for whatever part of it 
that has made silver hydroxide.


Ode


At 09:59 PM 5/14/2012 -0700, you wrote:
Anyhow, I suppose one could run DW through an alkalizer and then use that 
to brew CS.


On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 9:36 PM, Renee 
<gaiac...@gmail.com> wrote:


I think if that were the case then someone would already be doing 
it.  Once the material is saturated the water shouldn't flow across at 
all, so it's actually a block, I would think.  Whereas any size opening, 
without a block, would admit water through as a flow, even if it was very 
narrow.




Samala,

Renee



From: David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com]



Perhaps if you omitted the sponge, but made the connecting tube rally 
narrow, that the electrolysis would outpace the mixing of the water, and 
some distinct product could be produced with silver electrodes?

Re: CS>water alkalizers and silver

[Ode Coyote]

  They work, but most use tap or salt water and wind up with a soluble 
metal hydroxide as the alkaline part vs OH[-] ions which a CS gen makes by 
default along with the silver ions.


Much cheaper to put a few crystals of Draino in a glass of water.

No reason to not keep the Ag[+] and OH[-]  {"Alkaline water"} apart that I 
know of.


Ode

At 08:09 PM 5/14/2012 -0700, you wrote:

Do DIY alkalizers like this really work?
http://www.instructables.com/id/Water-Alkalizer-or-Ioniser-for-5/?ALLSTEPS

Sounds like a big money saver over commerical products.  Assuming they 
have value to begin with.


Also, if one used silver electrodes instead, and distilled water, and 
removed the sponge in the middle, what would be the result?  (assuming 
suitable parts to avoid significant contamination were available).  The 
sponge is presumably to prevent the remixing of the water on either 
side.  But that would destroy any possibility of getting abundant silver 
ions.


David

Re: CS>microwave food: hard-boiled vibrations

[PT Ferrance]

I've been traveling and just now catching up.  You both might be interested in 
the practice of Plant Spirit Medicine... a fascinating pursuit!
Blessings, PT

--- On Sun, 5/13/12, Guyot Léna  wrote:

From: Guyot Léna 
Subject: Re: CS>microwave food: hard-boiled vibrations
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Sunday, May 13, 2012, 2:14 PM

Hi Renee,I've noticed when practicing hypnotherapy, that when clients 
visualized going through a door into a garden, they'd often find a particular 
flower of extra radiance and appeal. When we'd look it up, it would often be 
the exact medical or homeopathic plant needed. The subconscious knows so much!
Be well,Léna
On May 13, 2012, at 9:04 AM, Renee wrote:
And me. :)  I've made just over 100 different essences from the native texas
flowers.  I just love essences.  They are indeed very powerful, yet gentle.

There are actually makers from all over the world now.  A very good one is
in Australia.  The Alaska maker is very good.  Perelandra has excellent
ones.  Well, in fact--all essences are wonderful.  And simple to make your
own.  If you are drawn to certain flowers, then those flowers have something
for you.  An essence from them could be exactly what a person needs.  

Samala,
Renee


-Original Message-
Yup, tose flower remedys ertainly do work.
Did anyone know that there are several other flower essences out there
besides just the Bach?



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Re: CS>water alkalizers and silver

[David AuBuchon]

Oh, that is right.  Duh!

On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 7:13 AM, Renee  wrote:

>  Um, don’t think so.  According to some articles the only way to get a
> high ph (anything over neutral) is if the water has a lot of minerals in
> it.  That’s why the expensive machines also have a setting for dropping in
> liquid minerals so that as the water makes the ph it stays.  
>
> ** **
>
> Best CS is made when there’s very little of anything in the water.  So I
> have to wonder if adding minerals to water to get and stabilize the higher
> ph, if that would exclude good CS.
>
> ** **
>
> Maybe I’ll ask this on Mike’s silver list.  It’s a good question.
>
> ** **
>
> Samala,
>
> Renee
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Anyhow, I suppose one could run DW through an alkalizer and then use that
> to brew CS.  
>

Re: CS>Water, subtle energy, homeopathics, placebos, and nacebos

[sol]

I don't know either. But I do have a book entitled "the Placebo Effect" 
the premise of the book is that the placebo effect is real, and that it 
also happens in animals, and that it is likely possible for a person to 
use it deliberately for healing. Fascinating book.

sol

Marshall wrote:
That is a valid question, and one I don't know a solution to.  When 
you have a reality that is molded by belief and intention, is ANY 
experiment foolproof and intrinsically valid?


Marshall

On 5/15/2012 12:54 PM, sol wrote:
That makes me wonder whether successful experiments were successful 
due to the presence of one or more persons who DID believe the 
experiment would work?





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RE: CS>Silver & PH

[James C Brown]

Interesting. I thought silver water killed everything but if it cannot get
inside the cells I guess you can only take it to keep stuff from spreading -
if you already have an infection of some kind. I take it often but as my PH
has dropped I wondered if there was any effect. I guess I have some other
problem and will continue my Arm and Hammer baking soda dosing of 12
teaspoon 2x/day.

Thanks,
Jim
-Original Message-
From: Mike Monett [mailto:mrmon...@pstca.com] 
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 2:06 PM
To: SilverList
Subject: Re: CS>Silver & PH

  "James C Brown"  wrote:

  >Does silver water have any effect on your PH

  >Thanks,

  >Jim

  Very unlikely. If you use sublingual, you only absorb about 27 parts
  per billion.

  If you ingest 8 oz of cs that's 236ml. If it's 10ppm, you have

  10e-6 * 236 = 0.00236 gm

  You have about 5.5 litres of blood.

  If you absorb 100% of the cs, 0.00236 gm in 5.5 litres is

  0.00236 /5500 = 4.29090909091e-7 = 429 ppb.

  However, you are not likely to get 100% absorption. Roger Altman got
  the following measurements:

  mg Out:

  urine : 3.14
  feces : 0.83
  Total : 3.97

  The ratio is 3.14 / 3.97 = 0.79

  So you may get 0.79 * 429 ppb = 338.91 ppb

  This is not enough to affect your ph.

  It is  also not enough to kill pathogens either. So in  either case,
  the silver must be working to enhance the immune system somehow.

  This means  cs  will demonstrate all the limitations  of  the immune
  system. For example, it cannot go inside cells to get at pathogens.

  This means once an infection is already established, taking cs can't
  do much  to  help. You have to treat it as a  preventative  and keep
  taking it regularly.

  Thanks,

  Mike Monett


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Re: CS>A forwarded post [sulfur contamination]

[Smitty]

WHY use a glue gun ??
I drill holes in a thin wood slat,
drop the silver wires through the holes
and bend over the ends on top.
Smitty
~~~

On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 2:16 AM, Ode Coyote wrote:

>
> Good morning Ode, I have been trying to POST this message, to [Silver
> List], but not showing-up! Suspect problem...maybe due to my posting
> URL/(address)...not being same as when I originally subscribed for Eskimo
> LIST sign-up... very long time ago? Post was Response to Sulfur
> CONTAMINATION posting, by Mike Monett and after you read what I'm trying to
> Technically present...think you may...concur? Feel FREE...to edit any text
> if you want to shorten message... is OK...by me. Since you are mentioned in
> my CS List posting, thought you might...forward? (Unlike
> Saint-Michael...Only Preach, when I have something Valid to SAY.;~) Thank
> you, Dok Dallas 
> Re: CS>Contamination, think Dok, found Source?
>  FROM:   * Dok Dallas
> TO:   * silver-list@eskimo.com
>Monday, May 14, 2012 1:02 AM
>
>  Dear Mike, I have been brewing high ppm EIS at lower ION Drift-currents,
> for over 16 years and never saw any serious TRODE contamination in my Brew
> Cell...like Yours? Recently, Ode pointed out "NO Contamination, without
> Sulfur source", I agree~ So last Fall...I used my years of problem solving
> (pragmatic) SKILLS as MSEE, to start looking closely at everything you were
> doing in pictures...and soon, had good HUNCHsince you were only person,
> I ever saw waving HOT GLUE GUN to anchor new SILVER electrode(s), firmly to
> COROPLAST...located a Suspect!
> Also last year, in my one & only post to your silver-cell group, I offered
> you my long time proven working design solutions for ultra low-cost DIY
> BREW CELLS and was promptly placed on [MODERATION] after deleting, Doks
> (only) POST!
> The SULFUR CONTAMINATION is most likely coming from... the HOT GLUE, or
> perhaps also other (unknown) IONIC contaminates, found in COROPLAST?
> Did you ever consider what happens thermally to HOT GLUE, when Heated..?
>  While at elevated temperatures...it's bubbling out all kinds of,
> NASTY...IONS*
> If that weren't bad enough...MSDS for COROPLAST...is Decomposition RISK*
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot-melt_adhesive#Materials_used
> <[SULFUR]*
>

Re: CS> HIV

[Marshall]

I have read a number of accounts of people who have decreased or 
virtually eliminated HIV through the use of CS or EIS.  But that often 
has little to do with AIDS, which may or may not express with or without 
a high HIV count.  I view HIV as an indicator of an impaired immune 
system, not a primary cause of it.  From a number of studies it appears 
that one factor in many cases of AIDS is benzene or derivitives of 
benzene, such as benzoic acid.  Parasites can also be a factor, and for 
them MMS can be of great benefit.


Marshall

On 5/15/2012 4:17 AM, kk wrote:

Hi,

How effective is CS for treating HIV infection. Anyone has any experience or
know of anyone who is using CS for treating HIV.



Regards

James.SS


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Re: CS>Kelp - iodine?

[Jim Holmes]

Now, with Fukushima, where the kelp is harvested is of critical
 importance.

On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Saralou  wrote:

> Brooks Bradley once said that Thorvin from Hoegger Supply is the source he
> used.
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>> where and what form of Kelp to purchase in Australia? >> >> >> I prefer not
>> to go the health store supplement route, just something >> specific which
>> contains iodine in a form which won't poison someone . >> >> >> Thanks
>> muchly >> >> >> N. >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG -
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Re: CS>Kelp - iodine?

[Saralou]

Brooks Bradley once said that Thorvin from Hoegger Supply is the source 
he used.


http://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=thorvin&l=silver-list%40eskimo.com

On 5/12/2012 7:24 PM, Neville Munn wrote:

Thanks one and all, I'll befriend google for a while.

N.


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Re: CS>Water, subtle energy, homeopathics, placebos, and nacebos

[Marshall]

That is a valid question, and one I don't know a solution to.  When you 
have a reality that is molded by belief and intention, is ANY experiment 
foolproof and intrinsically valid?


Marshall

On 5/15/2012 12:54 PM, sol wrote:

Marshall wrote:
So basically if a lab that was performing the experiment had one or 
more people who did not believe it would work, they would block the 
action somehow preventing it from working!


That makes me wonder whether successful experiments were successful 
due to the presence of one or more persons who DID believe the 
experiment would work?


sol


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Re: CS>Water, subtle energy, homeopathics, placebos, and nacebos

[sol]

Marshall wrote:
So basically if a lab that was performing the experiment had one or 
more people who did not believe it would work, they would block the 
action somehow preventing it from working!


That makes me wonder whether successful experiments were successful due 
to the presence of one or more persons who DID believe the experiment 
would work?


sol


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Re: Subject: CS>microwave food: hard-boiled vibrations

[Jane MacRoss]

Marshall Mike is no longer able to see the list messges

Jane



Placebo and nacebo effects are a good example of such 
cross-fertilization between the physical and spiritual/mental.  So I am 
wondering if you do not believe in these well documented scientific 
effects where intention of the experimenter can affect the experiment, 
or if you simply pick and choose which of these effects you want to 
believe or belittle.


Marshall




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Re: Subject: CS>microwave food: hard-boiled vibrations

[Marshall]

Placebo and nacebo effects are a good example of such 
cross-fertilization between the physical and spiritual/mental.  So I am 
wondering if you do not believe in these well documented scientific 
effects where intention of the experimenter can affect the experiment, 
or if you simply pick and choose which of these effects you want to 
believe or belittle.


Marshall

On 5/15/2012 12:59 AM, Mike Monett wrote:

   Marshall  wrote:

   >  So you  don't  believe there is anything to  such  things  as holy
   >  water?

   >  If water  can  form  crystal structures, and  there  is  plenty of
   >  evidence it  can  homeopathic water being only one  of  them, then
   >  almost certainly  the  absorption spectrum will  change  with that
   >  structure.

   [...]

   >Marshall

   Give up Marshall.

   The spiritual  world  and  the  physical  plane  are  two completely
   different entities.

   There is no way you can change the absorption spectrum  of distilled
   water without adding ions, atoms or molecules.

   Any suggestion that you can is fraudulent

   Mike Monett


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Re: (Off_Topic)CS>Water, subtle energy, homeopathics, placebos, and nacebos

[Marshall]

I am not knowledgeable about them.  However when I get the chance I will 
take a look at it and see what I think.


Marshall

On 5/15/2012 11:02 AM, HARSHA GODAVARI wrote:

Marshall:
 Any experience/thoughts on "Matrix Energetics" and their workshops?

regards
hg

- Original Message -
From: Marshall 
Date: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 9:54 am
Subject: CS>Water, subtle energy, homeopathics, placebos, and nacebos
To: silver-list@eskimo.com

> The study of subtle energies on water is like no other.
> The pitfalls to obtaining valid information are as difficult for
> many people to understand as the results of some of the research.
>
> This is covered quite nicely at:
> http://theintentionexperiment.com/279.htm which I quoted from in
> my previous message.
>
> On page 24 of the intention experiment, which I quoted from
> before and viewable at:
> 
http://books.google.com/books?id=79ZWoymp2VsC&pg=PA24&lpg=PA24&dq=intention+experiment+grad+chemically+analyzed&source=bl&ots=5WeVnP6kWQ&sig=sHPE1BiFEV5RLyjvvi05yVwEIgY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=VWSyT5vtG8bqtgeJi_jSCA&ved=0CFQQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=intention%20experiment%20grad%20chemically%20analyzed&f=false

> you can read about much of this research.
>
> But one of the most interesting stories is the on outlined in
> "The Field" page 63 on.  The experiments had to do with dye
> absorption, and the effect of inhibiting it by an enzyme,
> specifically the anti-IgE.  The story goes that over
> several years he performed experiments where this enzyme is
> added to water, the successively diluted until there is unlikely
> any atoms of the original enzyme in the water.  This is
> standard homeopathy.   But when what should have been
> pure distilled water was dyed, the dye was inhibited just as if
> the enzyme was still there. As I had mentioned before this was
> published in Nature after labs in France, Israel, Italy and
> Canada successfully repeated the results.  In the article
> the challenge was issued to find any fault in the study and many
> labs took up the issue.
>
> Once published many labs come back with negative results and a
> witch hunt ensued.  Benveniste became so tired of labs
> trying to repeat the work and failing, he ended up creating a
> robot that did all the work for him without any human
> interaction. However when testing he found that the robot
> usually worked and confirmed the findings, but occasionally
> would fail.  Further investigation found that every time it
> failed a certain woman was present.  At one point he had
> her hold a test tube of active homeopathic granules in her hand
> for 5 minutes, and retested them.  He found that all
> activity and all molecular signaling had been erased!  So
> basically if a lab that was performing the experiment had one or
> more people who did not believe it would work, they would block
> the action somehow preventing it from working!
>
> Anyone interested in reading the whole story should be able to
> find it in the online version at:
> http://www.scribd.com/doc/32934627/THE-FIELD-Lynne-McTaggart
> although all my quotes came from the paperback book which I am
> assuming is the same.
>
> Anyway, this nacebo effect can cause very real problems. Not
> only can it make experiments fail, but it even makes double
> blind studies questionable.  After all, does it matter if a
> sample that is handled by such a person suppose to be the active
> or placebo, if the experimenter is changing the subtle energy of
> the sample, like resetting  or clearing it, the results
> will be invalid. Same goes if for instance a healer handles
> samples, giving healing qualities to all the samples.
>
> Another possibility which should be considered is that a
> negative or disbelieving stock clerk at a health food store, or
> homeopathy manufacturer could theoretically ruin ALL the stock
> of homeopathic formulas there.  Or even the regular UPS guy
> who picks up from the warehouse, or delivers them to the store
> could ruin homeopathic preparation he comes in contact
> with.  It is no wonder that homeopathic studies range from
> stellar success to spectacular failure.
>
> Marshall
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Re: (Off_Topic)CS>Water, subtle energy, homeopathics, placebos, and nacebos

[HARSHA GODAVARI]

Marshall:
 Any experience/thoughts on "Matrix Energetics" and their workshops?

regards
hg

- Original Message -
From: Marshall 
Date: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 9:54 am
Subject: CS>Water, subtle energy, homeopathics, placebos, and nacebos
To: silver-list@eskimo.com

> The study of subtle energies on water is like no other.  
> The pitfalls to obtaining valid information are as difficult for 
> many people to understand as the results of some of the research.
> 
> This is covered quite nicely at: 
> http://theintentionexperiment.com/279.htm which I quoted from in 
> my previous message.
> 
> On page 24 of the intention experiment, which I quoted from 
> before and viewable at: 
> http://books.google.com/books?id=79ZWoymp2VsC&pg=PA24&lpg=PA24&dq=intention+experiment+grad+chemically+analyzed&source=bl&ots=5WeVnP6kWQ&sig=sHPE1BiFEV5RLyjvvi05yVwEIgY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=VWSyT5vtG8bqtgeJi_jSCA&ved=0CFQQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=intention%20experiment%20grad%20chemically%20analyzed&f=false
> you can read about much of this research.
> 
> But one of the most interesting stories is the on outlined in 
> "The Field" page 63 on.  The experiments had to do with dye 
> absorption, and the effect of inhibiting it by an enzyme, 
> specifically the anti-IgE.  The story goes that over 
> several years he performed experiments where this enzyme is 
> added to water, the successively diluted until there is unlikely 
> any atoms of the original enzyme in the water.  This is 
> standard homeopathy.   But when what should have been 
> pure distilled water was dyed, the dye was inhibited just as if 
> the enzyme was still there. As I had mentioned before this was 
> published in Nature after labs in France, Israel, Italy and 
> Canada successfully repeated the results.  In the article 
> the challenge was issued to find any fault in the study and many 
> labs took up the issue.
> 
> Once published many labs come back with negative results and a 
> witch hunt ensued.  Benveniste became so tired of labs 
> trying to repeat the work and failing, he ended up creating a 
> robot that did all the work for him without any human 
> interaction. However when testing he found that the robot 
> usually worked and confirmed the findings, but occasionally 
> would fail.  Further investigation found that every time it 
> failed a certain woman was present.  At one point he had 
> her hold a test tube of active homeopathic granules in her hand 
> for 5 minutes, and retested them.  He found that all 
> activity and all molecular signaling had been erased!  So 
> basically if a lab that was performing the experiment had one or 
> more people who did not believe it would work, they would block 
> the action somehow preventing it from working!
> 
> Anyone interested in reading the whole story should be able to 
> find it in the online version at: 
> http://www.scribd.com/doc/32934627/THE-FIELD-Lynne-McTaggart 
> although all my quotes came from the paperback book which I am 
> assuming is the same.
> 
> Anyway, this nacebo effect can cause very real problems. Not 
> only can it make experiments fail, but it even makes double 
> blind studies questionable.  After all, does it matter if a 
> sample that is handled by such a person suppose to be the active 
> or placebo, if the experimenter is changing the subtle energy of 
> the sample, like resetting  or clearing it, the results 
> will be invalid. Same goes if for instance a healer handles 
> samples, giving healing qualities to all the samples.
> 
> Another possibility which should be considered is that a 
> negative or disbelieving stock clerk at a health food store, or 
> homeopathy manufacturer could theoretically ruin ALL the stock 
> of homeopathic formulas there.  Or even the regular UPS guy 
> who picks up from the warehouse, or delivers them to the store 
> could ruin homeopathic preparation he comes in contact 
> with.  It is no wonder that homeopathic studies range from 
> stellar success to spectacular failure.
> 
> Marshall
> 
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Re: CS>[List Owner] Mike Monett

[slickpicker]

> I've removed and blocked him from the list, until such time as...he can 
> share his results without allusions to omniscience or exclusive truth." 

Eloquently said, Mike!  He was insufferably rude and arrogant.


 "M. G. Devour"  wrote: 

=
Dear group,

Thanks to the several of you who sent me heads-up messages.

Mike M. appears to have suffered another of his periodic meltdowns and 
has resorted to inexcusable ad-hominem attacks. 

As well, given the rarity of my appearances here of late, he seems to 
have developed a sense of mission to protect the group from any 
opinions other than his own, leading to a general stifling of healthy 
discussion --  to the point that one member expressed to me their 
dismay that I had left him in charge of the group... .

He has done some interesting and challenging work, and it would be good 
to be able to continue to learn from his results. Though blessedly rare 
here, this is not the first case where the dissemination of promising 
information has foundered on the rocks of a failure of diplomacy or 
cooperation.

I've removed and blocked him from the list, until such time as he 
convinces me he's sorted out his internal problems, coming to 
understand what behavior is expected of our members, and that he can 
share his results without allusions to omniscience or exclusive truth.

Sorry for the delay in responding, and my frequent absence. I continue 
to be preoccupied with several health issues (not addressible by CS 
use, unfortunately). While I am making progress, ongoing vision 
problems prevent me from doing more than sampling list traffic, so it's 
easy to miss things, including the overall "drift" of the atmosphere of 
the place. I'm sorry I let that occur in this instance.

Thank you all for your patience and allowing me to rely on your steady 
mindfulness of each others' wellbeing and the purpose of the group. 

Be well,

Mike D.
silver-list owner

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@eskimo.com]
[Speaking only for myself...   ]


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Re: CS>Keeping the same polarity rods

[Thomas Soares]

2012/5/13 Mike Monett 

>
>  The gray whiskers that form on the cathode are pure silver. They are
>  silver ions  from  the  anode,   or  positive  electrode.  They have
>  accepted an  electron  from the cathode to become  a  neutral silver
>  atom.
>
>  What happens  next  depends  on the  current  density.  At  very low
>  current, such as used in the SilverCell process, the silver  forms a
>  fuzz around the electrode and grows tiny whiskers at the bottom.
>
>  At higher  currents, a silver sludge forms at the bottom  of  the U,
>  assuming you are using a U-shape electrode.
>
>  At higher currents, such as most cs generators use, the  ion density
>  is high  enough  for  silver hydroxide to form  in  the  thin Nernst
>  Diffusion layer next to the cathode.
>
>

Thinking about squared rods of silver with 3mm wide, emerged about 7cm in
the solution.

1) What is considered small and large electric current ?

2) The yellowish color of the solution is a good or bad indication ?

3) Using a green laser i can see a kind of faint cloud or a cloud filament
spreading from the anode (-). Assuming that this can act as a kind of
'short circuit' i stir the solution, witch results at diminish of the
electric current.  As we prefer lower currents.  All this make sense ?

Thanks.

Re: CS>[List Owner] Mike Monett

[Deborah Gerard]

Mike so so sorry your suffering from health issue's :( we miss you and I pray 
you get better real soonso good to hear from you again.
Debbie
 


 From: M. G. Devour 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Cc: mrmon...@pstca.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 4:34 AM
Subject: CS>[List Owner] Mike Monett
  
Dear group,

Thanks to the several of you who sent me heads-up messages.

Mike M. appears to have suffered another of his periodic meltdowns and 
has resorted to inexcusable ad-hominem attacks. 

As well, given the rarity of my appearances here of late, he seems to 
have developed a sense of mission to protect the group from any 
opinions other than his own, leading to a general stifling of healthy 
discussion --  to the point that one member expressed to me their 
dismay that I had left him in charge of the group... .

He has done some interesting and challenging work, and it would be good 
to be able to continue to learn from his results. Though blessedly rare 
here, this is not the first case where the dissemination of promising 
information has foundered on the rocks of a failure of diplomacy or 
cooperation.

I've removed and blocked him from the list, until such time as he 
convinces me he's sorted out his internal problems, coming to 
understand what behavior is expected of our members, and that he can 
share his results without allusions to omniscience or exclusive truth.

Sorry for the delay in responding, and my frequent absence. I continue 
to be preoccupied with several health issues (not addressible by CS 
use, unfortunately). While I am making progress, ongoing vision 
problems prevent me from doing more than sampling list traffic, so it's 
easy to miss things, including the overall "drift" of the atmosphere of 
the place. I'm sorry I let that occur in this instance.

Thank you all for your patience and allowing me to rely on your steady 
mindfulness of each others' wellbeing and the purpose of the group. 

Be well,

Mike D.
silver-list owner

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@eskimo.com                        ]
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RE: CS>water alkalizers and silver

[Renee]

Um, don't think so.  According to some articles the only way to get a high
ph (anything over neutral) is if the water has a lot of minerals in it.
That's why the expensive machines also have a setting for dropping in liquid
minerals so that as the water makes the ph it stays.  

 

Best CS is made when there's very little of anything in the water.  So I
have to wonder if adding minerals to water to get and stabilize the higher
ph, if that would exclude good CS.

 

Maybe I'll ask this on Mike's silver list.  It's a good question.

 

Samala,

Renee

 

 

Anyhow, I suppose one could run DW through an alkalizer and then use that to
brew CS.  

Re: CS>[List Owner] Mike Monett

[Sara Mandal-Joy]

Yes, thank you Mike.Holding space for your health and 
wellbeingSara


On 5/15/2012 8:38 AM, MaryAnn Helland wrote:
Thank you, Mike.  Good to hear from you, and sending prayers for 
speedy healing from your health issues.

MA

Re: CS>[List Owner] Mike Monett

[Scotty]

Thanks, Mike. I hope and pray that you completely heal of what is ailing you.


Scotty
Have a great day!

 


--- On Tue, 5/15/12, M. G. Devour  wrote:


From: M. G. Devour 
Subject: CS>[List Owner] Mike Monett
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Cc: mrmon...@pstca.com
Date: Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 1:34 AM


Dear group,

Thanks to the several of you who sent me heads-up messages.

Mike M. appears to have suffered another of his periodic meltdowns and 
has resorted to inexcusable ad-hominem attacks. 

As well, given the rarity of my appearances here of late, he seems to 
have developed a sense of mission to protect the group from any 
opinions other than his own, leading to a general stifling of healthy 
discussion --  to the point that one member expressed to me their 
dismay that I had left him in charge of the group... .

He has done some interesting and challenging work, and it would be good 
to be able to continue to learn from his results. Though blessedly rare 
here, this is not the first case where the dissemination of promising 
information has foundered on the rocks of a failure of diplomacy or 
cooperation.

I've removed and blocked him from the list, until such time as he 
convinces me he's sorted out his internal problems, coming to 
understand what behavior is expected of our members, and that he can 
share his results without allusions to omniscience or exclusive truth.

Sorry for the delay in responding, and my frequent absence. I continue 
to be preoccupied with several health issues (not addressible by CS 
use, unfortunately). While I am making progress, ongoing vision 
problems prevent me from doing more than sampling list traffic, so it's 
easy to miss things, including the overall "drift" of the atmosphere of 
the place. I'm sorry I let that occur in this instance.

Thank you all for your patience and allowing me to rely on your steady 
mindfulness of each others' wellbeing and the purpose of the group. 

Be well,

Mike D.
silver-list owner

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@eskimo.com                        ]
[Speaking only for myself...               ]


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Re: CS>[List Owner] Mike Monett

[MaryAnn Helland]

Thank you, Mike.  Good to hear from you, and sending prayers for speedy healing 
from your health issues.
MA





From: M. G. Devour 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Cc: mrmon...@pstca.com
Sent: Tue, May 15, 2012 7:35:49 AM
Subject: CS>[List Owner] Mike Monett

Dear group,

Thanks to the several of you who sent me heads-up messages.

Mike M. appears to have suffered another of his periodic meltdowns and 
has resorted to inexcusable ad-hominem attacks. 

As well, given the rarity of my appearances here of late, he seems to 
have developed a sense of mission to protect the group from any 
opinions other than his own, leading to a general stifling of healthy 
discussion --  to the point that one member expressed to me their 
dismay that I had left him in charge of the group... .

He has done some interesting and challenging work, and it would be good 
to be able to continue to learn from his results. Though blessedly rare 
here, this is not the first case where the dissemination of promising 
information has foundered on the rocks of a failure of diplomacy or 
cooperation.

I've removed and blocked him from the list, until such time as he 
convinces me he's sorted out his internal problems, coming to 
understand what behavior is expected of our members, and that he can 
share his results without allusions to omniscience or exclusive truth.

Sorry for the delay in responding, and my frequent absence. I continue 
to be preoccupied with several health issues (not addressible by CS 
use, unfortunately). While I am making progress, ongoing vision 
problems prevent me from doing more than sampling list traffic, so it's 
easy to miss things, including the overall "drift" of the atmosphere of 
the place. I'm sorry I let that occur in this instance.

Thank you all for your patience and allowing me to rely on your steady 
mindfulness of each others' wellbeing and the purpose of the group. 

Be well,

Mike D.
silver-list owner

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@eskimo.com                        ]
[Speaking only for myself...              ]


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CS>[List Owner] Mike Monett

[M. G. Devour]

Dear group,

Thanks to the several of you who sent me heads-up messages.

Mike M. appears to have suffered another of his periodic meltdowns and 
has resorted to inexcusable ad-hominem attacks. 

As well, given the rarity of my appearances here of late, he seems to 
have developed a sense of mission to protect the group from any 
opinions other than his own, leading to a general stifling of healthy 
discussion --  to the point that one member expressed to me their 
dismay that I had left him in charge of the group... .

He has done some interesting and challenging work, and it would be good 
to be able to continue to learn from his results. Though blessedly rare 
here, this is not the first case where the dissemination of promising 
information has foundered on the rocks of a failure of diplomacy or 
cooperation.

I've removed and blocked him from the list, until such time as he 
convinces me he's sorted out his internal problems, coming to 
understand what behavior is expected of our members, and that he can 
share his results without allusions to omniscience or exclusive truth.

Sorry for the delay in responding, and my frequent absence. I continue 
to be preoccupied with several health issues (not addressible by CS 
use, unfortunately). While I am making progress, ongoing vision 
problems prevent me from doing more than sampling list traffic, so it's 
easy to miss things, including the overall "drift" of the atmosphere of 
the place. I'm sorry I let that occur in this instance.

Thank you all for your patience and allowing me to rely on your steady 
mindfulness of each others' wellbeing and the purpose of the group. 

Be well,

Mike D.
silver-list owner

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@eskimo.com]
[Speaking only for myself...   ]


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CS>Re: Subject: CS Mike & negative feelings

[ZZekelink]

 
In a message dated 5/14/2012 10:26:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
mrmon...@pstca.com writes:

There is  no place in this forum for that behavior.

Mike  Monett




I never reply to such posts but I am so sorry that a  person has to live 
with such negative energy in their lives. Mike is a very  smart fellow in some 
ways BUTothers not so smart. & although his  information is very 
helpful I really don't like to stumble on his mean &  hurtful 
statements.His 
above statement is surely true as to the negative  energy he puts forth... I 
am sorry Marshall. I truly enjoy your posts &  views on actualities &  
possibilities..Thanks,  Lois

CS>A forwarded post [sulfur contamination]

[Ode Coyote]

Good morning Ode, I have been trying to POST this message, to [Silver 
List], but not showing-up! Suspect problem...maybe due to my posting 
URL/(address)...not being same as when I originally subscribed for Eskimo 
LIST sign-up... very long time ago? Post was Response to Sulfur 
CONTAMINATION posting, by Mike Monett and after you read what I'm trying to 
Technically present...think you may...concur? Feel FREE...to edit any text 
if you want to shorten message... is OK...by me. Since you are mentioned in 
my CS List posting, thought you might...forward? (Unlike 
Saint-Michael...Only Preach, when I have something Valid to SAY.;~) Thank 
you, Dok Dallas 

Re: CS>Contamination, think Dok, found Source?
 FROM:   * Dok Dallas
TO:   * silver-list@eskimo.com
   Monday, May 14, 2012 1:02 AM

 Dear Mike, I have been brewing high ppm EIS at lower ION Drift-currents, 
for over 16 years and never saw any serious TRODE contamination in my Brew 
Cell...like Yours? Recently, Ode pointed out "NO Contamination, without 
Sulfur source", I agree~ So last Fall...I used my years of problem solving 
(pragmatic) SKILLS as MSEE, to start looking closely at everything you were 
doing in pictures...and soon, had good HUNCHsince you were only person, 
I ever saw waving HOT GLUE GUN to anchor new SILVER electrode(s), firmly to 
COROPLAST...located a Suspect!
Also last year, in my one & only post to your silver-cell group, I offered 
you my long time proven working design solutions for ultra low-cost DIY 
BREW CELLS and was promptly placed on [MODERATION] after deleting, Doks 
(only) POST!
The SULFUR CONTAMINATION is most likely coming from... the HOT GLUE, or 
perhaps also other (unknown) IONIC contaminates, found in COROPLAST?

Did you ever consider what happens thermally to HOT GLUE, when Heated..?
 While at elevated temperatures...it's bubbling out all kinds 
of,  NASTY...IONS*
If that weren't bad enough...MSDS for COROPLAST...is Decomposition RISK* 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot-melt_adhesive#Materials_used <[SULFUR]*  

Re: CS>Water Crystals

[Ode Coyote]

  The details are microscopic,  the crystals start that way...before they 
grow bigger around that tiny nucleus.


ode

At 03:24 PM 5/14/2012 +1000, you wrote:
I remember gazing at window crystals when I was a child in North London - 
are they really microscopic?


Jane

From: Ode Coyote
   Gee, You don't have a freezer?
Spray some CS on Jack Frosts window pane next winter.
"water crystal" , my eye.
Just leave the snow off the flake and you'll get there.

Re: Subject: CS>microwave food: hard-boiled vibrations

[Maple Springs Farm]

how interesting...
it appears that this isn't the first cs list or cs list member that mike monett 
has attacked

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/4COLLOIDALSILVER/message/3714

Maple Springs Farm 
Farm Store - Maple Syrup, Custom Embroidery, Etched Glass, Shoo-fly pie, Funny 
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-- Original Message ---
From: "Maple Springs Farm"  
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Tue, 15 May 2012 04:19:22 -0700 
Subject: Re: Subject: CS>microwave food: hard-boiled vibrations

> Yeah i've set up mike monett to go directly into "trash"
> He is obvoiously one of those "vampires" that Marshall talks about
> simply here to stir everyone one up and provoke a reaction.
> Definitely not here to "help".  So... "trash" he is!
> 
> Maple Springs Farm 
> Farm Store - Maple Syrup, Custom Embroidery, Etched Glass, Shoo-fly pie, 
> Funny 
> Cake Pie, Emu Oil, Dog Art Prints, Handmade Soap and More... 
> http://www.maplesprings.com 
> On-Line Cookbook 
> http://www.maplespringsfarm.com
> 
> -- Original Message ---
> From: jaxi  
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
> Sent: Mon, 14 May 2012 22:04:23 -0500 
> Subject: Re: Subject: CS>microwave food: hard-boiled vibrations 
> 
> > Amen Sara I have been considering using block myself.  I don't want to 
> > leave this group but I have to admit I miss the pre Mike Monett days.
> > 
> > Jaxi
> > 
> > On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 9:40 PM, Sara Mandal-Joy  
> > wrote:
> > Mike Monet - there is NO place on this forum for YOUR behavior - your 
> > accusations of a known and beloved member here.    I don't know where owner 
> > Mike is at the moment - he'd usually step in when such an egregious 
> > accusation was being made.   You need to back up though.    You may not 
> > agree with Marshall - you don't have to, that is your choice.  But your 
> > accusations are way out of line.  There are dynamics going on you have no 
> > understanding of, so you accuse Marshall of lies.  If you could only see 
> > how much your own narrow mind is LYING to YOU.    But whether or not 
> > you choose to look at that, it is not accepted behavior on this list to 
> > egregiously accuse someone with whom you disagree of lying and faking.  
> > Until owner Mike gets back in gear - and I will write him privately, in the 
> > case he is just too busy to keep up with the list at the moment - I would 
> > encourage all of us to simply block Mike Monet, or at the very least, to no 
> > longer respond to him in a!
 ny way, at least until such time as he shows a willingness to back off his 
accusational stance.    Sara
> > 
> > Marshall  wrote:
> > 
> > You are welcome to your opinion.  But it is uncalled for to say I have
> > faked any data.  Nothing could be further from the truth. I may have
> > misinterpreted data, misunderstood data, but I have NEVER faked data,
> > and never would.  I am outraged by your unfounded accusations which have
> > no basis in fact at all. Ad hokem attacks are against the ground rules
> > here, and totally uncalled for.
> > Which unit do you have? They make a number of units.  Mine is a Hack DR
> > 4000. which cost around $5,000 when I bought it.
> > 
> > Have you even run such experiments with your unit, or are you assuming
> > that it would not give similar results and not even running the tests
> > similar to what the Catholic Church did when they refused to look
> > through Galileo's telescope because they knew it could not be true?
> > Marshall
> >   There is no mistake Marshall. What you are doing is deliberate.
> > 
> >   You know  how a spectrophotometer works. You have had access  to one
> >   long enough.
> > 
> >   The only  way you can change the spectrum of distilled  water  is to
> >   put something in it. Ions, atoms, molecules, or any kind of physical
> >   matter.
> > 
> >   It does not work on thoughts, emotions, prayer, or  any non-physical
> >   thing. It does not work on coils of copper wire.
> > 
> >   If you  are presenting data and claiming it is the  result  of these
> >   things, then you are faking the data.
> > 
> >   There is no place in this forum for that behavior.
> > 
> >   Mike Monett
> > 
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> > 
> > 
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> 
--- End of Original Message ---
 

Re: Subject: CS>microwave food: hard-boiled vibrations

[Maple Springs Farm]

Yeah i've set up mike monett to go directly into "trash"
He is obvoiously one of those "vampires" that Marshall talks about
simply here to stir everyone one up and provoke a reaction.
Definitely not here to "help".  So... "trash" he is!

Maple Springs Farm 
Farm Store - Maple Syrup, Custom Embroidery, Etched Glass, Shoo-fly pie, Funny 
Cake Pie, Emu Oil, Dog Art Prints, Handmade Soap and More... 
http://www.maplesprings.com 
On-Line Cookbook 
http://www.maplespringsfarm.com

-- Original Message ---
From: jaxi  
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Mon, 14 May 2012 22:04:23 -0500 
Subject: Re: Subject: CS>microwave food: hard-boiled vibrations

> Amen Sara I have been considering using block myself.  I don't want to leave 
> this group but I have to admit I miss the pre Mike Monett days.
> 
> Jaxi
> 
> On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 9:40 PM, Sara Mandal-Joy  wrote:
> Mike Monet - there is NO place on this forum for YOUR behavior - your 
> accusations of a known and beloved member here.    I don't know where owner 
> Mike is at the moment - he'd usually step in when such an egregious 
> accusation was being made.   You need to back up though.    You may not agree 
> with Marshall - you don't have to, that is your choice.  But your accusations 
> are way out of line.  There are dynamics going on you have no understanding 
> of, so you accuse Marshall of lies.  If you could only see how much your own 
> narrow mind is LYING to YOU.    But whether or not you choose to look at 
> that, it is not accepted behavior on this list to egregiously accuse someone 
> with whom you disagree of lying and faking.  Until owner Mike gets back in 
> gear - and I will write him privately, in the case he is just too busy to 
> keep up with the list at the moment - I would encourage all of us to simply 
> block Mike Monet, or at the very least, to no longer respond to him in any!
  way, at least until such time as he shows a willingness to back off his 
accusational stance.    Sara
> 
> Marshall  wrote:
> 
> You are welcome to your opinion.  But it is uncalled for to say I have
> faked any data.  Nothing could be further from the truth. I may have
> misinterpreted data, misunderstood data, but I have NEVER faked data,
> and never would.  I am outraged by your unfounded accusations which have
> no basis in fact at all. Ad hokem attacks are against the ground rules
> here, and totally uncalled for.
> Which unit do you have? They make a number of units.  Mine is a Hack DR
> 4000. which cost around $5,000 when I bought it.
> 
> Have you even run such experiments with your unit, or are you assuming
> that it would not give similar results and not even running the tests
> similar to what the Catholic Church did when they refused to look
> through Galileo's telescope because they knew it could not be true?
> Marshall
>   There is no mistake Marshall. What you are doing is deliberate.
> 
>   You know  how a spectrophotometer works. You have had access  to one
>   long enough.
> 
>   The only  way you can change the spectrum of distilled  water  is to
>   put something in it. Ions, atoms, molecules, or any kind of physical
>   matter.
> 
>   It does not work on thoughts, emotions, prayer, or  any non-physical
>   thing. It does not work on coils of copper wire.
> 
>   If you  are presenting data and claiming it is the  result  of these
>   things, then you are faking the data.
> 
>   There is no place in this forum for that behavior.
> 
>   Mike Monett
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RE: CS>brewing using magnets

[Neville Munn]

Dunno if this means anything?
I vortexed DW through the centre of 3 microwave magnetron magnets using those 
clear plastic water bottles, 4 x clockwise and 4 x anticlockwise, prior to 
making my EIS for several batches, then 6 x c/wise and 6 x a/cw for several 
more and have to say I noticed nothing different on the face of it.
I wanted to measure pH prior to magnetising, after magnetising, immediately 
upon cessation of the brewing process and then again after the EIS had been in 
storage for a while, and making comparisons over all those batches with 
ordinary batches, but could not find a successful way of doing so with any form 
of meaningful accuracy, considering I only have a kitchen cupboard to work with 
.
I know on ordinary batches the pH is high immediately upon cessation of brewing 
process, and then drops to just above base 7 after it's been in storage for a 
while cos I had a couple of samples tested for pH a while back.  It's bugs me 
that I haven't got suitable equipment to do something meaningful with, but 
nevermind, that's the extent of my scientific analysis.
N.

Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 01:37:26 -0700
From: aubuchon.da...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>brewing using magnets

So I just did an experiment where I apparently could dissolve triple the the 
amount of sodium bicarbonate and ascorbic acid in distilled water due to the 
addition of taping strong negative pole magnets to the side of the cup for 2 
days prior to adding chemicals, and during the addition as well.  I am quite 
surprised.


One wonders if there would be any advantagous effects to magnetized water 
before, as well as during, brewing CS?  

David
  

Re: CS>microwave food: hard-boiled vibrations

[mgperrault]

Max,


What have  you done to help newcomers to the list?

Thanks

Mike Monett<<<



Mike

Made them feel at home in the egocentric world we dare call humanity?
Joking. I dont know enough to help anybody, all I can do is try to cut 
better men than me down to sizeand I think Ive dont pretty well with 
it. My humility; Im very proud of it.


I never got over being a newcomer. But did you miss my posts?.I 
could almost call this a Mike Monett homework assignmentdigest this 
stuff with your superior intelligence and then come back and give us a 
report.


First, lets recheck your own field of expertise. Look at some videos of 
Eric Dollard on Tesla longitudinal electricity.


"The typical Hertzian, electromagnetic field of Transverse Waves is the 
gross by-product of a much more powerful, but hidden, energy envelope 
which is manifested as Longitudinal Standing Waves in a scalar nodal 
matrix, not propagated in the up and down, ocean wave fashion of 
Transverse Waves."


I suppose you know all about it. But what about the aether? uh...you 
didnt think it all ended with Mickelson and Morley? Check out 
aetherometry at the Correas website. This one tip alone should pay my 
way as an ongoing newcomer


I mentioned "the infinitesimal dose" that was for you.

On behalf of Mike, some searches on water;
--

http://www.paolobellavite.it/files/1107quantumwaterho.pdf

Quantum field theory predicts that liquids, being condensed matter with 
high density, are not governed by purely static local interactions such 
as H-bonds and dipoles. On the contrary, their binding is induced by 
radiative long range electromagnetic fields (EMFs). A collection of 
molecules interacting with the radiative EMF above a density threshold 
and below a critical temperature acquires a new minimum energy state 
different from the conventional where the oscillations of individual 
molecules are uncorrelated and the electromagnetic field is vanishing. 
The new minimum energy state is a coherence domain (CD) about 100 nm in 
diameter that oscillates in unison and in tune with an EMF trapped within it


-
First, there were the South Korean chemists who discovered two years ago 
that molecules dissolved in water clump together as they get more 
diluted (see SiS 15), which was totally unexpected; and further more, 
the size of the clumps depends on the history of dilution, making a 
mockery of the ‘laws of chemistry’.


Now, physicist Louis Rey in Lausanne, Switzerland, has published a paper 
in the mainstream journal, Physica A, describing experiments that 
suggest water does have a memory of molecules that have been diluted 
away, as can be demonstrated by a relatively new physical technique that 
measures thermoluminescence.



http://www.i-sis.org.uk/WaterRemembers.php



"It appears, therefore, that substances like LiCl and NaCl can modify 
the hydrogen-bonded network of water, and that this modification remains 
even when the molecules have been diluted away.


The fact that this ‘memory’ remains, in spite of, or because of vigorous 
stirring or shaking at successive dilutions, indicates that the ‘memory’ 
is by no means static, but depends on a dynamic process, perhaps a 
collective quantum excitation of water molecules that has a high degree 
of stability "


-

An extraordinary paper authored by Nobel prize-winning Luc Montagnier 
has described memory effects in aqueous DNA solutions that the authors 
propose depend on interactions with the background electromagnetic 
field. These effects, if real, require the prior processing and dilution 
of the solutions and are explained by Montagnier as resonance phenomena 
with nanostructures derived from the DNA and water


Solutions are more complex than expected

Water is not just H2O molecules. It contains a number of molecular 
species including ortho and para water molecules, water molecules with 
different isotopic compositions such as HDO and H218O, Apart from such 
molecules there are always adventitious and self-created solutes in 
liquid water. Distilled and deionized water contain significant and 
varying quantities of contaminating ions.Other materials present will 
include previously dissolved solutes, dissolved gasses dependent on the 
laboratory atmosphere, gaseous nanobubbles [500d], material dissolved or 
detached from the containing vessels [1207], solid particles and 
aerosols (also dependent on the laboratory history) entering from the 
gas phase, and redox materials produced from water molecules [1066] and 
other solutes produced on standing [509c]d and homeopathic processing 
[1210]. Liquid water is clearly a very complex system even before the 
further complexity of molecular clusters, gas-liquid and solid-liquid 
surfaces, reactions between these materials, the consequences of 
physical and electromagnetic processing and the addition of ethanol are 
considered. Any or a combination of these factors may cause 'mem

CS>brewing using magnets

[David AuBuchon]

So I just did an experiment where I apparently could dissolve triple the
the amount of sodium bicarbonate and ascorbic acid in distilled water due
to the addition of taping strong negative pole magnets to the side of the
cup for 2 days prior to adding chemicals, and during the addition as well.
I am quite surprised.

One wonders if there would be any advantagous effects to magnetized water
before, as well as during, brewing CS?

David

RE: CS> HIV

[kk]

Hi,

How effective is CS for treating HIV infection. Anyone has any experience or
know of anyone who is using CS for treating HIV.



Regards

James.SS


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Re: CS>microwave food: hard-boiled vibrations

[Kirsteen Wright]

It's not that I have no answer but it's against my principles to answer
interrogations and frankly that's what your doing. Truthfully I wonder why.
You come across as so aggressive and so negative and yet, you're probably
not like that at all. You come across so much on the defensive and yet you
don't need to.

Ok my chillax comment was pretty flippant, I apologise but seriously relax,
enjoy life, go with the flow. Life's too short for animosity. Remember
there are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in our
philosophies, Horatio.

In peace

Kirsteen

On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 8:25 AM, Mike Monett  wrote:

> Kirsteen Wright  wrote:
> >
> >Chillax! Why do you come over so aggressive?
>
> I take that as you have no answer.
>
> Then why are you here?
>
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Re: CS>microwave food: hard-boiled vibrations

[Mike Monett]

Kirsteen Wright  wrote:
>
>Chillax! Why do you come over so aggressive?

I take that as you have no answer.

Then why are you here?

Mike Monett


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Re: CS>microwave food: hard-boiled vibrations

[Kirsteen Wright]

Chillax! Why do you come over so aggressive?

On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 8:06 AM, Mike Monett  wrote:

> Kirsteen Wright  wrote:
> >
> >Well let's see, he's been polite, hasn't insulted anyone, hasn't
> patronised
> >anyone, and hasn't called anyone a liar because HE can't duplicate THEIR
> >findings. Them's all big plusses in my book.
> >
> >Kirsteen
>
> Kirsteen,
>
> And what have you done to welcome newcomers?
>
> Do you have any concern for their needs?
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike Monett
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Re: CS>microwave food: hard-boiled vibrations

[Mike Monett]

Kirsteen Wright  wrote:
>
>Well let's see, he's been polite, hasn't insulted anyone, hasn't patronised
>anyone, and hasn't called anyone a liar because HE can't duplicate THEIR
>findings. Them's all big plusses in my book.
>
>Kirsteen

Kirsteen,

And what have you done to welcome newcomers?

Do you have any concern for their needs?

Thanks

Mike Monett


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