Re: CS>Update on Wife's Bladder

[Lola Harris]

Jeff,  Is it possible that maybe... maybe... there is scarring in the bladder?  
although dmso is supposed to
help with scars.  Or... maybe the bladder just isn't as flexible (expandable) 
as it once was?  I am with yourwife..lol.. just being able to live with some 
normalcy and being pain free can be heavenly.  It will be veryinteresting to 
see how much healing has happened since your last doctor visit.  I would love 
to see thatdoctor's face and what his response will be when he compares the 
before and after. Lola 
- Original Message -
From: Jeff 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 00:14:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: CS>Update on Wife's Bladder

My wife and I thank you all for your encouragement and responses. I have 
been documenting our journey just in case this worked so I could hopefully help 
others. We still have a long way to go but there is no pain and the CS I make 
does not hurt her in any way and never did from day one ( unlike the silver 
protein the doc prescribed ) so we are hopeful for an eventual full recovery.  
The reason I am upset about the being stuck at 4oz is that 4oz is only twice as 
much as the doc could do before cracking and bleeding would start. I think a 
healthy bladder will hold at least 16oz and we were wanting to be at 8oz or 
more by the time we go see the doc in Feb. We are excited about that visit 
because we are going to request a cystoscopy and we want to hear there is no 
evidence of lesions or hunners ulcers both of which she had and we have 
pictures of. That being said, my wife has even told me that she is happy if it 
just stays like it is.

Re: CS>Update on Wife's Bladder

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:D

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On Nov 11, 2015, at 5:14 PM, John Popelish  wrote:

On 11/11/2015 04:16 PM, Jeff wrote:
(snip)
> The pain reduced on a daily basis till last Friday when she
> told me she was pain free
> 
> She has control of her bladder and has no more flare ups or
> frequency problems
> 
> She is on no medication at all for over a month
(snip)

Wonderful news and possibly helpful information for someone else.

We should throw a happy bladder party for your wife.


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CS>Update on Wife's Bladder

[Jeff]

My wife and I thank you all for your encouragement and responses. I have
been documenting our journey just in case this worked so I could hopefully
help others. We still have a long way to go but there is no pain and the CS
I make does not hurt her in any way and never did from day one ( unlike the
silver protein the doc prescribed ) so we are hopeful for an eventual full
recovery. 

 

The reason I am upset about the being stuck at 4oz is that 4oz is only twice
as much as the doc could do before cracking and bleeding would start. I
think a healthy bladder will hold at least 16oz and we were wanting to be at
8oz or more by the time we go see the doc in Feb. We are excited about that
visit because we are going to request a cystoscopy and we want to hear there
is no evidence of lesions or hunners ulcers both of which she had and we
have pictures of. That being said, my wife has even told me that she is
happy if it just stays like it is.

Re: CS>Update on Wife's Bladder

[Jerry Durand]

Mine too.  A few years ago I wound up in the emergency room having
trouble breathing.  They kept me there overnight and gave me every test
for heart attack in the book, ending with a treadmill test!

Most of the time I wasn't allowed to drink or eat, but they did relent
and give me some oxygen and the next morning the nurse got me some food
from the cafeteria and got a doctor to approve giving me some OTC
antihistamine.

MUCH later my doctor figured out something trigged my childhood asthma
and that could cause difficultly breathing (duh, you think?).

No doctors for me except with O-Care I still have to PAY for doctors. 
If I had any kids of course they can force you to take them to the doctor.

Had the asthma come back recently, a bit of CS in a nebulizer cleared it
right up!

On 11/11/2015 03:36 PM, Smitty wrote:
> My Motto=Stay away from doctors,
> they'll kill ya
> Smitty
>

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Re: CS>Update on Wife's Bladder

[Sandra George]

Jeff I am so happy for you, this is the type of story I love to read, so thanks 
for sharing with us all - you will knock his socks off, however do not be 
disappointed if he is not impressed, this is unfortunately the normal response 
!You simply keep on doing what you have found works for you    
Peace, blessings, love and hugs
Sandee
Attitude is everything !!!
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Re: CS>Update on Wife's Bladder

[Smitty]

My Motto=Stay away from doctors,
they'll kill ya
Smitty

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Lena Guyot  wrote:

> Hi Jeff,
>
> Your story is inspiring! Congratulations! Meanwhile, we need more sockless
> docs: and patient, persistent, determined people like you and your wife are
> the people to create them!
>
> Be well,
> Léna
>
> On Nov 11, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Jeff wrote:
>
> Sorry it has taken so long to do this. I was given a lot of useful help
> and suggestions from here and I wanted to update what we have been doing.
> As you may remember, my wife has been suffering for almost 3 years with a
> bladder problem ( that has never been really diagnosed because it doesn’t
> fit completely into any category ) that has caused her to be in almost
> constant pain with flare ups of intense pain, frequency with flare ups of
> having to go every 5 minutes, uncontrolled bladder function, bleeding, we
> were told the inside of her bladder looked like hamburger meat, she has
> been on every drug for bladder healing and every antibiotic and had 2
> fulgurations after which we were told the bladder would have to be removed.
> This was on 7-30 of this year and confirmed the end of August at post op
> visit. After some research and getting advice from the helpful folks here,
> this is what we did.
>
> Starting on September 3 I began doing irrigations of CS ( made with silver
> puppy and run on manual for tow hrs after light goes off. Not sure of the
> ppm, maybe Ode can weigh in on that ) once a day. I would have preferred
> more often but this is all we could manage. I won’t go into a lot of
> details on this because it would make for a very long post.
>
> We started with 30cc because that was all she could handle and she only
> held it for 11 minutes.
> After a few days she could hold it for 30 minutes which was our goal
> She was also sitting in a hot tub for 15/20 minutes before the procedure
> to help relax everything
> We have had our share of failures due to different reasons but we got most
> of the bugs worked out
> I gradually increased the amount by 10cc a week and it was rough but she
> fought hard to keep it for 30 min
> Also added 1200mg MSM capsules once a day after the first week
> During the third week I started introducing some DMSO to the CS slowly
> building up to 2ml
> After 3 weeks she was out of the pain meds she was on and we decided not
> to refill and see what happens
> She had trouble sleeping for about a 4 days due to not taking one of the
> meds but pain was bearable
> She would experience involuntary spasms after stopping the muscle relaxer
> that would push the CS out
> And cause us to fail. I started her on D-Mannose and the spasms stopped.
>
> That is pretty much our regiment now except we no longer use the hot tub
> We don’t do the procedure on the weekends
> The pain reduced on a daily basis till last Friday when she told me she
> was pain free
> She has control of her bladder and has no more flare ups or frequency
> problems
> She is on no medication at all for over a month
> She can take 4oz of CS in her bladder and hold it for 30 minutes no
> problem ( up from 30cc )
> I can’t seem to break the 4oz barrier for some reason but we don’t see the
> doc till Feb
> So we will keep plugging away. We are hoping to blow his socks off
> Thanks again for all the help, hopefully more updates to come.
> Jeff
>
>
>

Re: CS>Update on Wife's Bladder

[PT Ferrance]

This is wonderful news, Jeff.  One piece of information.  If you wife is 
post-menopausal she might want to stay out of baths and hot tubs.  As tissues 
thin and lose tone it allows bacteria to infiltrate the urethra and thus cause 
bladder infections.PT

  From: Lena Guyot 
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 6:18 PM
 Subject: Re: CS>Update on Wife's Bladder
   
Hi Jeff,
Your story is inspiring! Congratulations! Meanwhile, we need more sockless 
docs: and patient, persistent, determined people like you and your wife are the 
people to create them!
Be well,Léna


On Nov 11, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Jeff wrote:

Sorry it has taken so long to do this. I was given a lot of useful help and 
suggestions from here and I wanted to update what we have been doing. As you 
may remember, my wife has been suffering for almost 3 years with a bladder 
problem ( that has never been really diagnosed because it doesn’t fit 
completely into any category ) that has caused her to be in almost constant 
pain with flare ups of intense pain, frequency with flare ups of having to go 
every 5 minutes, uncontrolled bladder function, bleeding, we were told the 
inside of her bladder looked like hamburger meat, she has been on every drug 
for bladder healing and every antibiotic and had 2 fulgurations after which we 
were told the bladder would have to be removed. This was on 7-30 of this year 
and confirmed the end of August at post op visit. After some research and 
getting advice from the helpful folks here, this is what we did.  Starting on 
September 3 I began doing irrigations of CS ( made with silver puppy and run on 
manual for tow hrs after light goes off. Not sure of the ppm, maybe Ode can 
weigh in on that ) once a day. I would have preferred more often but this is 
all we could manage. I won’t go into a lot of details on this because it would 
make for a very long post.  We started with 30cc because that was all she could 
handle and she only held it for 11 minutes.After a few days she could hold it 
for 30 minutes which was our goalShe was also sitting in a hot tub for 15/20 
minutes before the procedure to help relax everythingWe have had our share of 
failures due to different reasons but we got most of the bugs worked outI 
gradually increased the amount by 10cc a week and it was rough but she fought 
hard to keep it for 30 minAlso added 1200mg MSM capsules once a day after the 
first weekDuring the third week I started introducing some DMSO to the CS 
slowly building up to 2mlAfter 3 weeks she was out of the pain meds she was on 
and we decided not to refill and see what happensShe had trouble sleeping for 
about a 4 days due to not taking one of the meds but pain was bearableShe would 
experience involuntary spasms after stopping the muscle relaxer that would push 
the CS outAnd cause us to fail. I started her on D-Mannose and the spasms 
stopped.  That is pretty much our regiment now except we no longer use the hot 
tubWe don’t do the procedure on the weekendsThe pain reduced on a daily basis 
till last Friday when she told me she was pain freeShe has control of her 
bladder and has no more flare ups or frequency problemsShe is on no medication 
at all for over a monthShe can take 4oz of CS in her bladder and hold it for 30 
minutes no problem ( up from 30cc )I can’t seem to break the 4oz barrier for 
some reason but we don’t see the doc till FebSo we will keep plugging away. We 
are hoping to blow his socks offThanks again for all the help, hopefully more 
updates to come.Jeff



  

CS>Update on Wife's Bladder

[Jeff]

Sorry it has taken so long to do this. I was given a lot of useful help and
suggestions from here and I wanted to update what we have been doing. As you
may remember, my wife has been suffering for almost 3 years with a bladder
problem ( that has never been really diagnosed because it doesn't fit
completely into any category ) that has caused her to be in almost constant
pain with flare ups of intense pain, frequency with flare ups of having to
go every 5 minutes, uncontrolled bladder function, bleeding, we were told
the inside of her bladder looked like hamburger meat, she has been on every
drug for bladder healing and every antibiotic and had 2 fulgurations after
which we were told the bladder would have to be removed. This was on 7-30 of
this year and confirmed the end of August at post op visit. After some
research and getting advice from the helpful folks here, this is what we
did.

 

Starting on September 3 I began doing irrigations of CS ( made with silver
puppy and run on manual for tow hrs after light goes off. Not sure of the
ppm, maybe Ode can weigh in on that ) once a day. I would have preferred
more often but this is all we could manage. I won't go into a lot of details
on this because it would make for a very long post. 

 

We started with 30cc because that was all she could handle and she only held
it for 11 minutes.

After a few days she could hold it for 30 minutes which was our goal

She was also sitting in a hot tub for 15/20 minutes before the procedure to
help relax everything

We have had our share of failures due to different reasons but we got most
of the bugs worked out

I gradually increased the amount by 10cc a week and it was rough but she
fought hard to keep it for 30 min 

Also added 1200mg MSM capsules once a day after the first week

During the third week I started introducing some DMSO to the CS slowly
building up to 2ml

After 3 weeks she was out of the pain meds she was on and we decided not to
refill and see what happens

She had trouble sleeping for about a 4 days due to not taking one of the
meds but pain was bearable

She would experience involuntary spasms after stopping the muscle relaxer
that would push the CS out

And cause us to fail. I started her on D-Mannose and the spasms stopped.

 

That is pretty much our regiment now except we no longer use the hot tub

We don't do the procedure on the weekends

The pain reduced on a daily basis till last Friday when she told me she was
pain free

She has control of her bladder and has no more flare ups or frequency
problems

She is on no medication at all for over a month

She can take 4oz of CS in her bladder and hold it for 30 minutes no problem
( up from 30cc )

I can't seem to break the 4oz barrier for some reason but we don't see the
doc till Feb

So we will keep plugging away. We are hoping to blow his socks off

Thanks again for all the help, hopefully more updates to come.

Jeff 

Re: CS>Update on Wife's Bladder

[Lola Harris]

Jeff... wonderful, wonderful news.  I know you and your wife are thrilled with 
wife's progress.  Since you
seem to have found a protocol that works, you might think about continuing the 
procedures withouttrying to continue to 'push the envelope' since what you are 
doing seems to be working for y'all giveyour wife time to hopefully heal 
completely.  Isn't it something ?  yipeee. lol.. Lola
- Original Message -
From: Jeff 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 16:16:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: CS>Update on Wife's Bladder

Sorry it has taken so long to do this. I was given a lot of useful help and 
suggestions from here and I wanted to update what we have been doing. As you 
may remember, my wife has been suffering for almost 3 years with a bladder 
problem ( that has never been really diagnosed because it doesn’t fit 
completely into any category ) that has caused her to be in almost constant 
pain with flare ups of intense pain, frequency with flare ups of having to go 
every 5 minutes, uncontrolled bladder function, bleeding, we were told the 
inside of her bladder looked like hamburger meat, she has been on every drug 
for bladder healing and every antibiotic and had 2 fulgurations after which we 
were told the bladder would have to be removed. This was on 7-30 of this year 
and confirmed the end of August at post op visit. After some research and 
getting advice from the helpful folks here, this is what we did. Starting on 
September 3 I began doing irrigations of CS ( made with silver puppy and run on 
manual for tow hrs after light goes off. Not sure of the ppm, maybe Ode can 
weigh in on that ) once a day. I would have preferred more often but this is 
all we could manage. I won’t go into a lot of details on this because it would 
make for a very long post.  We started with 30cc because that was all she could 
handle and she only held it for 11 minutes.After a few days she could hold it 
for 30 minutes which was our goalShe was also sitting in a hot tub for 15/20 
minutes before the procedure to help relax everythingWe have had our share of 
failures due to different reasons but we got most of the bugs worked outI 
gradually increased the amount by 10cc a week and it was rough but she fought 
hard to keep it for 30 min Also added 1200mg MSM capsules once a day after the 
first weekDuring the third week I started introducing some DMSO to the CS 
slowly building up to 2mlAfter 3 weeks she was out of the pain meds she was on 
and we decided not to refill and see what happensShe had trouble sleeping for 
about a 4 days due to not taking one of the meds but pain was bearableShe would 
experience involuntary spasms after stopping the muscle relaxer that would push 
the CS outAnd cause us to fail. I started her on D-Mannose and the spasms 
stopped. That is pretty much our regiment now except we no longer use the hot 
tubWe don’t do the procedure on the weekendsThe pain reduced on a daily basis 
till last Friday when she told me she was pain freeShe has control of her 
bladder and has no more flare ups or frequency problemsShe is on no medication 
at all for over a monthShe can take 4oz of CS in her bladder and hold it for 30 
minutes no problem ( up from 30cc )I can’t seem to break the 4oz barrier for 
some reason but we don’t see the doc till FebSo we will keep plugging away. We 
are hoping to blow his socks offThanks again for all the help, hopefully more 
updates to come.Jeff 

Re: CS>Update on Wife's Bladder

[John Popelish]

On 11/11/2015 04:16 PM, Jeff wrote:
(snip)

The pain reduced on a daily basis till last Friday when she
told me she was pain free

She has control of her bladder and has no more flare ups or
frequency problems

She is on no medication at all for over a month

(snip)

Wonderful news and possibly helpful information for someone 
else.


We should throw a happy bladder party for your wife.


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Re: CS>Update on Wife's Bladder

[Lena Guyot]

Hi Jeff,

Your story is inspiring! Congratulations! Meanwhile, we need more sockless 
docs: and patient, persistent, determined people like you and your wife are the 
people to create them!

Be well,
Léna
On Nov 11, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Jeff wrote:

> Sorry it has taken so long to do this. I was given a lot of useful help and 
> suggestions from here and I wanted to update what we have been doing. As you 
> may remember, my wife has been suffering for almost 3 years with a bladder 
> problem ( that has never been really diagnosed because it doesn’t fit 
> completely into any category ) that has caused her to be in almost constant 
> pain with flare ups of intense pain, frequency with flare ups of having to go 
> every 5 minutes, uncontrolled bladder function, bleeding, we were told the 
> inside of her bladder looked like hamburger meat, she has been on every drug 
> for bladder healing and every antibiotic and had 2 fulgurations after which 
> we were told the bladder would have to be removed. This was on 7-30 of this 
> year and confirmed the end of August at post op visit. After some research 
> and getting advice from the helpful folks here, this is what we did.
>  
> Starting on September 3 I began doing irrigations of CS ( made with silver 
> puppy and run on manual for tow hrs after light goes off. Not sure of the 
> ppm, maybe Ode can weigh in on that ) once a day. I would have preferred more 
> often but this is all we could manage. I won’t go into a lot of details on 
> this because it would make for a very long post.
>  
> We started with 30cc because that was all she could handle and she only held 
> it for 11 minutes.
> After a few days she could hold it for 30 minutes which was our goal
> She was also sitting in a hot tub for 15/20 minutes before the procedure to 
> help relax everything
> We have had our share of failures due to different reasons but we got most of 
> the bugs worked out
> I gradually increased the amount by 10cc a week and it was rough but she 
> fought hard to keep it for 30 min
> Also added 1200mg MSM capsules once a day after the first week
> During the third week I started introducing some DMSO to the CS slowly 
> building up to 2ml
> After 3 weeks she was out of the pain meds she was on and we decided not to 
> refill and see what happens
> She had trouble sleeping for about a 4 days due to not taking one of the meds 
> but pain was bearable
> She would experience involuntary spasms after stopping the muscle relaxer 
> that would push the CS out
> And cause us to fail. I started her on D-Mannose and the spasms stopped.
>  
> That is pretty much our regiment now except we no longer use the hot tub
> We don’t do the procedure on the weekends
> The pain reduced on a daily basis till last Friday when she told me she was 
> pain free
> She has control of her bladder and has no more flare ups or frequency problems
> She is on no medication at all for over a month
> She can take 4oz of CS in her bladder and hold it for 30 minutes no problem ( 
> up from 30cc )
> I can’t seem to break the 4oz barrier for some reason but we don’t see the 
> doc till Feb
> So we will keep plugging away. We are hoping to blow his socks off
> Thanks again for all the help, hopefully more updates to come.
> Jeff

Re: CS>Update on Wife's Bladder

[Dee]

I'm so glad Jeff, I just wish we had done this for my husband but unfortunately 
he opted to have his bladder removed, which with hindsight - was a big mistake. 
 Best wishes to you bothDee

Sent from my iPad

> On 11 Nov 2015, at 21:16, Jeff  wrote:
> 
> Sorry it has taken so long to do this. I was given a lot of useful help and 
> suggestions from here and I wanted to update what we have been doing. As you 
> may remember, my wife has been suffering for almost 3 years with a bladder 
> problem ( that has never been really diagnosed because it doesn’t fit 
> completely into any category ) that has caused her to be in almost constant 
> pain with flare ups of intense pain, frequency with flare ups of having to go 
> every 5 minutes, uncontrolled bladder function, bleeding, we were told the 
> inside of her bladder looked like hamburger meat, she has been on every drug 
> for bladder healing and every antibiotic and had 2 fulgurations after which 
> we were told the bladder would have to be removed. This was on 7-30 of this 
> year and confirmed the end of August at post op visit. After some research 
> and getting advice from the helpful folks here, this is what we did.
>  
> Starting on September 3 I began doing irrigations of CS ( made with silver 
> puppy and run on manual for tow hrs after light goes off. Not sure of the 
> ppm, maybe Ode can weigh in on that ) once a day. I would have preferred more 
> often but this is all we could manage. I won’t go into a lot of details on 
> this because it would make for a very long post.
>  
> We started with 30cc because that was all she could handle and she only held 
> it for 11 minutes.
> After a few days she could hold it for 30 minutes which was our goal
> She was also sitting in a hot tub for 15/20 minutes before the procedure to 
> help relax everything
> We have had our share of failures due to different reasons but we got most of 
> the bugs worked out
> I gradually increased the amount by 10cc a week and it was rough but she 
> fought hard to keep it for 30 min
> Also added 1200mg MSM capsules once a day after the first week
> During the third week I started introducing some DMSO to the CS slowly 
> building up to 2ml
> After 3 weeks she was out of the pain meds she was on and we decided not to 
> refill and see what happens
> She had trouble sleeping for about a 4 days due to not taking one of the meds 
> but pain was bearable
> She would experience involuntary spasms after stopping the muscle relaxer 
> that would push the CS out
> And cause us to fail. I started her on D-Mannose and the spasms stopped.
>  
> That is pretty much our regiment now except we no longer use the hot tub
> We don’t do the procedure on the weekends
> The pain reduced on a daily basis till last Friday when she told me she was 
> pain free
> She has control of her bladder and has no more flare ups or frequency problems
> She is on no medication at all for over a month
> She can take 4oz of CS in her bladder and hold it for 30 minutes no problem ( 
> up from 30cc )
> I can’t seem to break the 4oz barrier for some reason but we don’t see the 
> doc till Feb
> So we will keep plugging away. We are hoping to blow his socks off
> Thanks again for all the help, hopefully more updates to come.
> Jeff