Re: CSNew Generator choice of three?
Any CS made with a generator such as we use ie SilverPuppy, Silvergen etc will be perfectly safe to ingest on a daily basis as most of us on this list and family and friends do. As long as it is clear or pale yellow and you don't drink a gallon a day, then you should get great health benefits..moderation in everything being the key...dee Sent from my iPad On 4 Oct 2014, at 03:16, phoenix23002 tds.net phoenix23...@tds.net wrote: John.. thanks for the encouragement. I purchased the Colloid Master unit (don't remember which one) and it came with some kind of meter and a pouch of some liquid. Something about testing the meter??? Just don't remember but that set me off immediately because it was confusing. Very intimidating. Is there somewhere where you can send off a sample of your cs to be sure it is safe and consumable? I would like to try to make cs especially with all this ebola business going on now.. I was all set to go before I got the machine, even had my qt canning jars all ready and several galons of distilled water. I am purchasing my cs from a member of this list and the potency of his cs compared to the OTC stuff I had been buying for years was remarkable. The Colloid Master is the unit he was using at the time so I figured.. no sweat, ya know? But, you are right. I should drag it out and go thru it again, maybe call the mfg. They do encourage folks to call if they need help. Again, thanks, John.Lola H. On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 9:49 PM, John Popelish jpopel...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/03/2014 09:02 PM, phoenix23002 tds.net wrote: (snip) ps.. I purchased a cs making machine a few years back and am still too chicken to try it. .. lol.. LH Please make a batch or two and just try it topically, if you are worried about consuming it. It quickly cured my dog of a skin infection we fought for a year and several vet visits for antibiotics an anti-fungals. We just splashed it on after her bath. It gets rid of my dandruff better than commercial dandruff shampoos. I got an infected gum, after a tooth extraction and a few rinses and spits got rid of it. It is just a good antiseptic to have for the daily assaults your body faces. These are essentially zero risk uses. -- Regards, John Popelish -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNew Generator choice of three?
Thanks for the confirm Dave - I am very aware that we are only talking ball park numbers however a good guide line for more experiences and hopefully more knowledge shared Regards Sandee Attitude is everything Alive Again Colloidal Silver Eye drops Topical Gel aliveagai...@yahoo.com On Oct 3, 2014, at 10:37 PM, Da Darrin ddarrin...@gmail.com wrote: Sandra: My experience has always been exactly like yours. 6.0 to 6.6 Dave On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 2:04 PM, Sandra George oha...@juno.com wrote: Hi There Neville - I have just tested my EIS with ph strips for urine and the EIS is showing mine at 6.0 acid I am probably using the wrong testers as this is all I have to test with - over to you for your input - thanks Sandee Attitude is everything !!! Sandra George Colloidal Silver Products Eye Drops Topical Gel aliveagai...@yahoo.com On 3 Oct 2014, at 14:51, Sandra George oha...@juno.com wrote: Hi There Neville - am I to understand for this post that EIS or CS is alkaline and if so then this is the secret I have been looking for for a while and will explain many observances of mine Thanks Sandee Attitude is everything !!! Sandra George Colloidal Silver Products Eye Drops Topical Gel aliveagai...@yahoo.com On 3 Oct 2014, at 06:45, Neville one.red...@hotmail.com wrote: I had two samples tested for Ph, one was shortly after brewing, which returned high alkaline as it apparently went off his scale, the second sample had been in storage for a while and was around base 7 point something. This ties in with several samples which had been in storage for a while I had lab analysed years ago... Clear solution - 7.4Ph, conductivity 23uS/cm Yellow - 7.5,...19 Amber - 7.4...20 and another I only noted the date for - 7.8Ph, conductivity 24. This one was noted on the report as being a low volume sample for testing purposes. First three water temperature 21C and the last was 22C. I have always been of the opinion there *could?* be a difference in efficacy for a given health issue or injury circumstance dependant on how long after brewing it is ingested/applied. This is why I am also of the opinion there are more options available with the home produced product over the shop bought product, i.e. high alkaline Ph solution and more base Ph solution. Only my opinions of course, but I'm sticking to them until proven otherwise as I haven't found any information relating to efficacy related to Ph of solution, and in all likelihood I never will g. N. Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 18:02:16 +0930 From: alch...@kern.com.au To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSNew Generator choice of three? From: Top Dog rsh...@gmail.com Date: 30/09/2014 4:18 AM 3. Silver Lungs: Watched the videos and read a few websites that tout the commercial like nature of this machine and it's reliability. I do like the bigger silver rods as it should keep from having to buy a new set for a while. Like the polarity reversal function to keep the rods evenly used. Also not sure if having the water a higher PH does really make a difference although it sounds plausible. This unit is high on my list but it does show that it is 4 weeks on backorder which makes me wonder if there is a supply problem or just that popular. The Silverlungs presentation is nice but - It has no manual over-ride so you can't make it stronger than 20ppm. - It seems you are stuck with a fixed jar size, and it has to be a beaker. - The high '10' pH claim is dubious. Basically it makes colloidal silver the same way as any other machine but 'somehow' the pH comes out much higher! It doesnt really add up. See the reports for many ionic silver products at www.silver-colloids.com and you'll see that the pH is always around 5 to 7. (Not that it really matters anyway. A mouthful of CS is hardly going to change your body's alkalinity). - It makes a litre of 10ppm in about 90mins. This is almost too quick. 1 mA at the electrodes is generally considered to be the ideal current to produce the smallest particles. To make CS that fast would require a much higher current.. and consequently produce larger particles. I'd like to see a proper particle size report, not that TEM stuff on their site. (This report explains why TEM images for colloidal silver are extremely misleading...http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/TEM.html) David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNew Generator choice of three?
Worse than that...the particles in a TEM photo were MADE by preparing the sample and were never in the water. Ode On 10/3/2014 10:09 AM, John Popelish wrote: On 10/03/2014 04:32 AM, Debra David wrote: (snip) - It makes a litre of 10ppm in about 90mins. This is almost too quick. 1 mA at the electrodes is generally considered to be the ideal current to produce the smallest particles. To make CS that fast would require a much higher current.. and consequently produce larger particles. I'd like to see a proper particle size report, not that TEM stuff on their site. (This report explains why TEM images for colloidal silver are extremely misleading... http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/TEM.html) Thank you for this link. It cleared up a lot of misconceptions for me about ionic versus colloidal silver and how poor TEM photos are at showing the true proportions or distribution of particle sizes. The drying process, that is an essential part of the sample preparation, alters the sample in rather arbitrary and uninformative ways. It is a bit like taking inventory of a house by burning the house down and then sifting the ashes. TEM is really the wrong tool for the task of analyzing something so delicate and complex as silver water. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNew Generator choice of three?
That made me think. I wonder if CS could be used to clear bacteria in a pool? Chlorine is so disgusting. Alan On 2014-10-03, at 18:02 PM, phoenix23002 tds.net wrote: Y'all are so smart so if this isn't pertinent to this conversation, just say so won't hurt my feelings. :) I was a bookkeeper at a fuel business and the powers that be decided to sell swimming pools during the off season... summer. Every employee had to go to pool school to learn how pools work and how to test the various components of pool water. Of course, the company had a super, duper $ 300 + test 'station', much more indepth and accurate than a homeowner's inexpensive test kit. If one could find out the mfg of these more expensive test stations, perhaps one could purchase just the ph testing part of it and the chemical required for just the ph testing? They do sell replacements of the various components that make up the test station. We didn't charge our customers for testing their pool water and, in fact, encouraged them to let us test every week or two. If one didn't want to invest in thier own testing equipment, maybe let one of these testing facilities check your product from time to time? I have heard that the charge for testing runs $ 5 - $ 10 dollars? I have no clue if the cs would mess up the readings or not. The only thing we ever had to neutralize before ph testing was chlorine. Would the silver just be considered a tds and ignored for ph? Don't know. We did have to run a separate test for metals in the water. In an HP pool, any metals could accelerate the use of the pool chemicals like Baquacil. As for ph readings of 6.5 or thereabouts we have country well water and our well water always tests at 6.5 or thereabouts and we bathe in it, drink it and cook with it. It has been thirty years now and we are no worse for wear. Lola H. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNew Generator choice of three?
So are you saying that you simply keep the buffer solution in a bottle and open it to check/calibrate the meter periodically or before using? Alan On 2014-10-03, at 17:32 PM, John Popelish wrote: On 10/03/2014 06:03 PM, Alan Faulkner wrote: Thanks John. I wonder if the calibration would be an issue with the electronic one? The strips are cheap but sometimes very difficult to read and this makes them a very rough indicator. Also one of them (the third down) does not include the batteries. (snip) Digital pH meter pens gave come way down in price since I bought one a decade ago. for example: http://www.ebay.com/itm/221550766554 http://www.ebay.com/itm/111419587528 http://www.ebay.com/itm/141364077523 http://www.ebay.com/itm/191251467428 But pH paper is cheap, too. http://www.ebay.com/itm/160-Full-Range-pH-1-14-Test-Testing-Indicator-Paper-Litmus-Strips-Kit-Universal-/201070668843 http://www.ebay.com/itm/pH-Strips-1-12-range-vial-100-strips-Test-Paper-Litmus-Pool-Acid-Base-/271226943693 They sell buffer calibration solutions and salt packets you dissolve in distilled water, to check and adjust the calibration. I think the second one, above comes with two buffer packets. Replacements are cheap and plentiful. Buffers are solutions that hold a fixed pH value, in spite of considerable contamination. Probably the worst thing to use to check calibration is very pure water, since its pH can be shifted by dipping the tip of your finger in it. It is the opposite of a buffer. The batteries they use are very common types. that are very cheap. The EC meters use these, and I think some of the pH meters do, too. http://www.ebay.com/itm/AG13-LR44-LR1154-SR44-A76-357A-303-357-Alkaline-Coin-Cell-Button-Battery-AE-/111433131955 -- Regards, John Popelish -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNew Generator choice of three?
You'd need an awful lot.?dee Sent from my iPad On 4 Oct 2014, at 19:42, Alan Faulkner ala...@gmail.com wrote: That made me think. I wonder if CS could be used to clear bacteria in a pool? Chlorine is so disgusting. Alan On 2014-10-03, at 18:02 PM, phoenix23002 tds.net wrote: Y'all are so smart so if this isn't pertinent to this conversation, just say so won't hurt my feelings. :) I was a bookkeeper at a fuel business and the powers that be decided to sell swimming pools during the off season... summer. Every employee had to go to pool school to learn how pools work and how to test the various components of pool water. Of course, the company had a super, duper $ 300 + test 'station', much more indepth and accurate than a homeowner's inexpensive test kit. If one could find out the mfg of these more expensive test stations, perhaps one could purchase just the ph testing part of it and the chemical required for just the ph testing? They do sell replacements of the various components that make up the test station. We didn't charge our customers for testing their pool water and, in fact, encouraged them to let us test every week or two. If one didn't want to invest in thier own testing equipment, maybe let one of these testing facilities check your product from time to time? I have heard that the charge for testing runs $ 5 - $ 10 dollars? I have no clue if the cs would mess up the readings or not. The only thing we ever had to neutralize before ph testing was chlorine. Would the silver just be considered a tds and ignored for ph? Don't know. We did have to run a separate test for metals in the water. In an HP pool, any metals could accelerate the use of the pool chemicals like Baquacil. As for ph readings of 6.5 or thereabouts we have country well water and our well water always tests at 6.5 or thereabouts and we bathe in it, drink it and cook with it. It has been thirty years now and we are no worse for wear. Lola H. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNew Generator choice of three?
Hi, Alan. But it would take a ton of cs, I imagine. Yes, chlorine is and it is hard on your liner, your skin, hair and eyes. It's killing power is also affected by activity in the pool as well as heat. And you have to shock it regularly. We sold Baquacil which is hydrogen peroxide based. It isn't affected by heat or activity. You adjust your pool's balance (alkalinity etc.) then optimize addition of bacquacil and, after 10 days or so, (levels will drop gradually), you just top it off again. Much kinder to liner, skin, hair, etc. It can have a tendency to foam a little and you can't have any metal in the pool. Baquacil fights the metal as if it were bacteria so it uses up the baquacil prematurely. The very best thing you can do for housekeeping a pool is to keep your filter running and change your sand (if it is a sand filter) regularly... maybe once every season (depends on size of pool and how much traffic) and scrub the liner every week. But I have heard good things about ozonating systems. I used to think I would love to have a pool until we got into the business..lol.. I wouldn't have one now if you paid me and I am careful now about who's pool I swim in. Lola H. On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Alan Faulkner ala...@gmail.com wrote: That made me think. I wonder if CS could be used to clear bacteria in a pool? Chlorine is so disgusting. Alan On 2014-10-03, at 18:02 PM, phoenix23002 tds.net wrote: Y'all are so smart so if this isn't pertinent to this conversation, just say so won't hurt my feelings. :) I was a bookkeeper at a fuel business and the powers that be decided to sell swimming pools during the off season... summer. Every employee had to go to pool school to learn how pools work and how to test the various components of pool water. Of course, the company had a super, duper $ 300 + test 'station', much more indepth and accurate than a homeowner's inexpensive test kit. If one could find out the mfg of these more expensive test stations, perhaps one could purchase just the ph testing part of it and the chemical required for just the ph testing? They do sell replacements of the various components that make up the test station. We didn't charge our customers for testing their pool water and, in fact, encouraged them to let us test every week or two. If one didn't want to invest in thier own testing equipment, maybe let one of these testing facilities check your product from time to time? I have heard that the charge for testing runs $ 5 - $ 10 dollars? I have no clue if the cs would mess up the readings or not. The only thing we ever had to neutralize before ph testing was chlorine. Would the silver just be considered a tds and ignored for ph? Don't know. We did have to run a separate test for metals in the water. In an HP pool, any metals could accelerate the use of the pool chemicals like Baquacil. As for ph readings of 6.5 or thereabouts we have country well water and our well water always tests at 6.5 or thereabouts and we bathe in it, drink it and cook with it. It has been thirty years now and we are no worse for wear. Lola H. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectunsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNew Generator choice of three?
Hi Alan they actually make silver filters for swimming pools - friends of mine use them only in their outdoor pool here with huge success - check out the availability on the internet as I do not remember off hand where they get them from so you have a try and if you do not have any success then get back to me and I will ask them for a name !!! Regards Sandee Attitude is everything !!! Sandra George Colloidal Silver Products Eye Drops Topical Gel aliveagai...@yahoo.com On 4 Oct 2014, at 14:42, Alan Faulkner ala...@gmail.com wrote: That made me think. I wonder if CS could be used to clear bacteria in a pool? Chlorine is so disgusting. Alan On 2014-10-03, at 18:02 PM, phoenix23002 tds.net wrote: Y'all are so smart so if this isn't pertinent to this conversation, just say so won't hurt my feelings. :) I was a bookkeeper at a fuel business and the powers that be decided to sell swimming pools during the off season... summer. Every employee had to go to pool school to learn how pools work and how to test the various components of pool water. Of course, the company had a super, duper $ 300 + test 'station', much more indepth and accurate than a homeowner's inexpensive test kit. If one could find out the mfg of these more expensive test stations, perhaps one could purchase just the ph testing part of it and the chemical required for just the ph testing? They do sell replacements of the various components that make up the test station. We didn't charge our customers for testing their pool water and, in fact, encouraged them to let us test every week or two. If one didn't want to invest in thier own testing equipment, maybe let one of these testing facilities check your product from time to time? I have heard that the charge for testing runs $ 5 - $ 10 dollars? I have no clue if the cs would mess up the readings or not. The only thing we ever had to neutralize before ph testing was chlorine. Would the silver just be considered a tds and ignored for ph? Don't know. We did have to run a separate test for metals in the water. In an HP pool, any metals could accelerate the use of the pool chemicals like Baquacil. As for ph readings of 6.5 or thereabouts we have country well water and our well water always tests at 6.5 or thereabouts and we bathe in it, drink it and cook with it. It has been thirty years now and we are no worse for wear. Lola H. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com Map Your Flood Risk Find Floodplan Maps, Facts, FAQs, Your Flood Risk Profile and More! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3165/543040018cb040007195mp02vuc
Re: CSNew Generator choice of three?
Ozone would probably be easier since there are ozone units for pools. PT From: Alan Faulkner ala...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 2:42 PM Subject: Re: CSNew Generator choice of three? That made me think. I wonder if CS could be used to clear bacteria in a pool? Chlorine is so disgusting. Alan On 2014-10-03, at 18:02 PM, phoenix23002 tds.net wrote: Y'all are so smart so if this isn't pertinent to this conversation, just say so won't hurt my feelings. :) I was a bookkeeper at a fuel business and the powers that be decided to sell swimming pools during the off season... summer. Every employee had to go to pool school to learn how pools work and how to test the various components of pool water. Of course, the company had a super, duper $ 300 + test 'station', much more indepth and accurate than a homeowner's inexpensive test kit. If one could find out the mfg of these more expensive test stations, perhaps one could purchase just the ph testing part of it and the chemical required for just the ph testing? They do sell replacements of the various components that make up the test station. We didn't charge our customers for testing their pool water and, in fact, encouraged them to let us test every week or two. If one didn't want to invest in thier own testing equipment, maybe let one of these testing facilities check your product from time to time? I have heard that the charge for testing runs $ 5 - $ 10 dollars? I have no clue if the cs would mess up the readings or not. The only thing we ever had to neutralize before ph testing was chlorine. Would the silver just be considered a tds and ignored for ph? Don't know. We did have to run a separate test for metals in the water. In an HP pool, any metals could accelerate the use of the pool chemicals like Baquacil. As for ph readings of 6.5 or thereabouts we have country well water and our well water always tests at 6.5 or thereabouts and we bathe in it, drink it and cook with it. It has been thirty years now and we are no worse for wear. Lola H. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNew Generator choice of three?
On 10/04/2014 03:06 PM, Alan Faulkner wrote: So are you saying that you simply keep the buffer solution in a bottle and open it to check/calibrate the meter periodically or before using? I think it last a a long time, in sealed, glass storage. But I usually pour a little into a shot glass, check the meter and discard it, to keep from accumulating any contamination that might make the readings drift. It takes only about a tablespoon of buffer, for each check, this way. I also rinse the meter tip off, in distilled water, before capping it, when I'm done with it. My pen has lasted over a decade, with only one battery change. -- Regards, John Popelish -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSNew Generator choice of three?
From: Top Dog rsh...@gmail.com Date: 30/09/2014 4:18 AM 3. Silver Lungs: Watched the videos and read a few websites that tout the commercial like nature of this machine and it's reliability. I do like the bigger silver rods as it should keep from having to buy a new set for a while. Like the polarity reversal function to keep the rods evenly used. Also not sure if having the water a higher PH does really make a difference although it sounds plausible. This unit is high on my list but it does show that it is 4 weeks on backorder which makes me wonder if there is a supply problem or just that popular. The Silverlungs presentation is nice but - It has no manual over-ride so you can't make it stronger than 20ppm. - It seems you are stuck with a fixed jar size, and it has to be a beaker. - The high '10' pH claim is dubious. Basically it makes colloidal silver the same way as any other machine but 'somehow' the pH comes out much higher! It doesnt really add up. See the reports for many ionic silver products at www.silver-colloids.com and you'll see that the pH is always around 5 to 7. (Not that it really matters anyway. A mouthful of CS is hardly going to change your body's alkalinity). - It makes a litre of 10ppm in about 90mins. This is almost too quick. 1 mA at the electrodes is generally considered to be the ideal current to produce the smallest particles. To make CS that fast would require a much higher current.. and consequently produce larger particles. I'd like to see a proper particle size report, not that TEM stuff on their site. (This report explains why TEM images for colloidal silver are extremely misleading... http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/TEM.html) David
RE: CSNew Generator choice of three?
I had two samples tested for Ph, one was shortly after brewing, which returned high alkaline as it apparently went off his scale, the second sample had been in storage for a while and was around base 7 point something. This ties in with several samples which had been in storage for a while I had lab analysed years ago... Clear solution - 7.4Ph, conductivity 23uS/cmYellow - 7.5,...19Amber - 7.4...20and another I only noted the date for - 7.8Ph, conductivity 24. This one was noted on the report as being a low volume sample for testing purposes.First three water temperature 21C and the last was 22C. I have always been of the opinion there *could?* be a difference in efficacy for a given health issue or injury circumstance dependant on how long after brewing it is ingested/applied. This is why I am also of the opinion there are more options available with the home produced product over the shop bought product, i.e. high alkaline Ph solution and more base Ph solution. Only my opinions of course, but I'm sticking to them until proven otherwise as I haven't found any information relating to efficacy related to Ph of solution, and in all likelihood I never will g. N. Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 18:02:16 +0930 From: alch...@kern.com.au To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSNew Generator choice of three? From: Top Dog rsh...@gmail.com Date: 30/09/2014 4:18 AM 3. Silver Lungs: Watched the videos and read a few websites that tout the commercial like nature of this machine and it's reliability. I do like the bigger silver rods as it should keep from having to buy a new set for a while. Like the polarity reversal function to keep the rods evenly used. Also not sure if having the water a higher PH does really make a difference although it sounds plausible. This unit is high on my list but it does show that it is 4 weeks on backorder which makes me wonder if there is a supply problem or just that popular. The Silverlungs presentation is nice but - It has no manual over-ride so you can't make it stronger than 20ppm. - It seems you are stuck with a fixed jar size, and it has to be a beaker. - The high '10' pH claim is dubious. Basically it makes colloidal silver the same way as any other machine but 'somehow' the pH comes out much higher! It doesnt really add up. See the reports for many ionic silver products at www.silver-colloids.com and you'll see that the pH is always around 5 to 7. (Not that it really matters anyway. A mouthful of CS is hardly going to change your body's alkalinity). - It makes a litre of 10ppm in about 90mins. This is almost too quick. 1 mA at the electrodes is generally considered to be the ideal current to produce the smallest particles. To make CS that fast would require a much higher current.. and consequently produce larger particles. I'd like to see a proper particle size report, not that TEM stuff on their site. (This report explains why TEM images for colloidal silver are extremely misleading... http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/TEM.html) David
Re: CSNew Generator choice of three?
On 10/03/2014 04:32 AM, Debra David wrote: (snip) - It makes a litre of 10ppm in about 90mins. This is almost too quick. 1 mA at the electrodes is generally considered to be the ideal current to produce the smallest particles. To make CS that fast would require a much higher current.. and consequently produce larger particles. I'd like to see a proper particle size report, not that TEM stuff on their site. (This report explains why TEM images for colloidal silver are extremely misleading... http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/TEM.html) Thank you for this link. It cleared up a lot of misconceptions for me about ionic versus colloidal silver and how poor TEM photos are at showing the true proportions or distribution of particle sizes. The drying process, that is an essential part of the sample preparation, alters the sample in rather arbitrary and uninformative ways. It is a bit like taking inventory of a house by burning the house down and then sifting the ashes. TEM is really the wrong tool for the task of analyzing something so delicate and complex as silver water. -- Regards, John Popelish -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNew Generator choice of three?
On 10/03/2014 06:45 AM, Neville wrote: I had two samples tested for Ph, one was shortly after brewing, which returned high alkaline as it apparently went off his scale, the second sample had been in storage for a while and was around base 7 point something. This ties in with several samples which had been in storage for a while I had lab analysed years ago... Clear solution - 7.4Ph, conductivity 23uS/cmYellow - 7.5,...19Amber - 7.4...20and another I only noted the date for - 7.8Ph, conductivity 24. This one was noted on the report as being a low volume sample for testing purposes.First three water temperature 21C and the last was 22C. I have always been of the opinion there *could?* be a difference in efficacy for a given health issue or injury circumstance dependant on how long after brewing it is ingested/applied. This is why I am also of the opinion there are more options available with the home produced product over the shop bought product, i.e. high alkaline Ph solution and more base Ph solution. (ship) I see that I am going to have to start keeping records of the pH of my preparations, both when they are made and when they are used. High pH solutions tend to absorb and react with carbon dioxide in the air, to form carbonates that lower the solution pH. So storage in air tight, almost full bottles would age the solution differently than partially filled bottles or open beakers would. It also implies that solution brewed in a bubble mixed situation would produce closer to neutral solution, because it was being reacted with carbon dioxide as it is made. I'm going to have to think about how to brew the solution without contact with air, to see what effect that has on its pH. pH is a big factor in most biochemistry. and its change with time or preparation method for silver water may explain some of the non-repeatability that different people have seen in the use of silver water. Reality is complicated but wonderful. -- Regards, John Popelish -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNew Generator choice of three?
Hi There Neville - am I to understand for this post that EIS or CS is alkaline and if so then this is the secret I have been looking for for a while and will explain many observances of mine Thanks Sandee Attitude is everything !!! Sandra George Colloidal Silver Products Eye Drops Topical Gel aliveagai...@yahoo.com On 3 Oct 2014, at 06:45, Neville one.red...@hotmail.com wrote: I had two samples tested for Ph, one was shortly after brewing, which returned high alkaline as it apparently went off his scale, the second sample had been in storage for a while and was around base 7 point something. This ties in with several samples which had been in storage for a while I had lab analysed years ago... Clear solution - 7.4Ph, conductivity 23uS/cm Yellow - 7.5,...19 Amber - 7.4...20 and another I only noted the date for - 7.8Ph, conductivity 24. This one was noted on the report as being a low volume sample for testing purposes. First three water temperature 21C and the last was 22C. I have always been of the opinion there *could?* be a difference in efficacy for a given health issue or injury circumstance dependant on how long after brewing it is ingested/applied. This is why I am also of the opinion there are more options available with the home produced product over the shop bought product, i.e. high alkaline Ph solution and more base Ph solution. Only my opinions of course, but I'm sticking to them until proven otherwise as I haven't found any information relating to efficacy related to Ph of solution, and in all likelihood I never will g. N. Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 18:02:16 +0930 From: alch...@kern.com.au To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSNew Generator choice of three? From: Top Dog rsh...@gmail.com Date: 30/09/2014 4:18 AM 3. Silver Lungs: Watched the videos and read a few websites that tout the commercial like nature of this machine and it's reliability. I do like the bigger silver rods as it should keep from having to buy a new set for a while. Like the polarity reversal function to keep the rods evenly used. Also not sure if having the water a higher PH does really make a difference although it sounds plausible. This unit is high on my list but it does show that it is 4 weeks on backorder which makes me wonder if there is a supply problem or just that popular. The Silverlungs presentation is nice but - It has no manual over-ride so you can't make it stronger than 20ppm. - It seems you are stuck with a fixed jar size, and it has to be a beaker. - The high '10' pH claim is dubious. Basically it makes colloidal silver the same way as any other machine but 'somehow' the pH comes out much higher! It doesnt really add up. See the reports for many ionic silver products at www.silver-colloids.com and you'll see that the pH is always around 5 to 7. (Not that it really matters anyway. A mouthful of CS is hardly going to change your body's alkalinity). - It makes a litre of 10ppm in about 90mins. This is almost too quick. 1 mA at the electrodes is generally considered to be the ideal current to produce the smallest particles. To make CS that fast would require a much higher current.. and consequently produce larger particles. I'd like to see a proper particle size report, not that TEM stuff on their site. (This report explains why TEM images for colloidal silver are extremely misleading...http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/TEM.html) David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNew Generator choice of three?
Hi There Neville - I have just tested my EIS with ph strips for urine and the EIS is showing mine at 6.0 acid I am probably using the wrong testers as this is all I have to test with - over to you for your input - thanks Sandee Attitude is everything !!! Sandra George Colloidal Silver Products Eye Drops Topical Gel aliveagai...@yahoo.com On 3 Oct 2014, at 14:51, Sandra George oha...@juno.com wrote: Hi There Neville - am I to understand for this post that EIS or CS is alkaline and if so then this is the secret I have been looking for for a while and will explain many observances of mine Thanks Sandee Attitude is everything !!! Sandra George Colloidal Silver Products Eye Drops Topical Gel aliveagai...@yahoo.com On 3 Oct 2014, at 06:45, Neville one.red...@hotmail.com wrote: I had two samples tested for Ph, one was shortly after brewing, which returned high alkaline as it apparently went off his scale, the second sample had been in storage for a while and was around base 7 point something. This ties in with several samples which had been in storage for a while I had lab analysed years ago... Clear solution - 7.4Ph, conductivity 23uS/cm Yellow - 7.5,...19 Amber - 7.4...20 and another I only noted the date for - 7.8Ph, conductivity 24. This one was noted on the report as being a low volume sample for testing purposes. First three water temperature 21C and the last was 22C. I have always been of the opinion there *could?* be a difference in efficacy for a given health issue or injury circumstance dependant on how long after brewing it is ingested/applied. This is why I am also of the opinion there are more options available with the home produced product over the shop bought product, i.e. high alkaline Ph solution and more base Ph solution. Only my opinions of course, but I'm sticking to them until proven otherwise as I haven't found any information relating to efficacy related to Ph of solution, and in all likelihood I never will g. N. Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 18:02:16 +0930 From: alch...@kern.com.au To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSNew Generator choice of three? From: Top Dog rsh...@gmail.com Date: 30/09/2014 4:18 AM 3. Silver Lungs: Watched the videos and read a few websites that tout the commercial like nature of this machine and it's reliability. I do like the bigger silver rods as it should keep from having to buy a new set for a while. Like the polarity reversal function to keep the rods evenly used. Also not sure if having the water a higher PH does really make a difference although it sounds plausible. This unit is high on my list but it does show that it is 4 weeks on backorder which makes me wonder if there is a supply problem or just that popular. The Silverlungs presentation is nice but - It has no manual over-ride so you can't make it stronger than 20ppm. - It seems you are stuck with a fixed jar size, and it has to be a beaker. - The high '10' pH claim is dubious. Basically it makes colloidal silver the same way as any other machine but 'somehow' the pH comes out much higher! It doesnt really add up. See the reports for many ionic silver products at www.silver-colloids.com and you'll see that the pH is always around 5 to 7. (Not that it really matters anyway. A mouthful of CS is hardly going to change your body's alkalinity). - It makes a litre of 10ppm in about 90mins. This is almost too quick. 1 mA at the electrodes is generally considered to be the ideal current to produce the smallest particles. To make CS that fast would require a much higher current.. and consequently produce larger particles. I'd like to see a proper particle size report, not that TEM stuff on their site. (This report explains why TEM images for colloidal silver are extremely misleading...http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/TEM.html) David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com Medicare Sleep Apnea Medicare approved coverage for an oral appliance for sleep apnea. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3165/542ef2193462b7219081emp05vuc
Re: CSNew Generator choice of three?
On 10/03/2014 05:04 PM, Sandra George wrote: Hi There Neville - I have just tested my EIS with ph strips for urine and the EIS is showing mine at 6.0 acid I am probably using the wrong testers as this is all I have to test with - over to you for your input - thanks Digital pH meter pens gave come way down in price since I bought one a decade ago. for example: http://www.ebay.com/itm/221550766554 http://www.ebay.com/itm/111419587528 http://www.ebay.com/itm/141364077523 http://www.ebay.com/itm/191251467428 But pH paper is cheap, too. http://www.ebay.com/itm/160-Full-Range-pH-1-14-Test-Testing-Indicator-Paper-Litmus-Strips-Kit-Universal-/201070668843 http://www.ebay.com/itm/pH-Strips-1-12-range-vial-100-strips-Test-Paper-Litmus-Pool-Acid-Base-/271226943693 -- Regards, John Popelish -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNew Generator choice of three?
Thanks John. I wonder if the calibration would be an issue with the electronic one? The strips are cheap but sometimes very difficult to read and this makes them a very rough indicator. Also one of them (the third down) does not include the batteries. Al On 2014-10-03, at 14:53 PM, John Popelish wrote: On 10/03/2014 05:04 PM, Sandra George wrote: Hi There Neville - I have just tested my EIS with ph strips for urine and the EIS is showing mine at 6.0 acid I am probably using the wrong testers as this is all I have to test with - over to you for your input - thanks Digital pH meter pens gave come way down in price since I bought one a decade ago. for example: http://www.ebay.com/itm/221550766554 http://www.ebay.com/itm/111419587528 http://www.ebay.com/itm/141364077523 http://www.ebay.com/itm/191251467428 But pH paper is cheap, too. http://www.ebay.com/itm/160-Full-Range-pH-1-14-Test-Testing-Indicator-Paper-Litmus-Strips-Kit-Universal-/201070668843 http://www.ebay.com/itm/pH-Strips-1-12-range-vial-100-strips-Test-Paper-Litmus-Pool-Acid-Base-/271226943693 -- Regards, John Popelish -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSNew Generator choice of three?
G'day Sandee - The first two samples were tested at a swimming pool maintenance shop and the other four were done in an Industrial water quality control laboratory. I always had doubts about those test strips, and those Ph meters. I bought some strips a while ago and don't believe they work too well for this application, hence they just sit in the draw. I also got a Ph meter, but again I think it's pretty much useless. Ph meters should be stored in a solution and I haven't got the facility to do that. The Ph really needs to be tested at a proper water testing place. I find it difficult to determine colour using the colour guide with the strips anyway when it's hovering between 6, 7 and 8. Oh to have a laboratory facility at my disposal, and the money to avail myself of it g. The bloke I got to do my lab testing retired a few years ago :-( It's impossible to test stuff properly in the home, no matter what method one uses I believe, and this stuff is so temperamental and subject to all manner of contaminants and environmental factors. For example, I could take a uS reading today and if I test the same sample tomorrow, and if the atmospheric temperature is different and raises/lowers the water temperature, the reading will change accordingly. You just can't be precise with anything in the home, the best one can hope for is to remain in the ball park - somewhere on the field. Subject: Re: CSNew Generator choice of three? From: oha...@juno.com Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 17:04:54 -0400 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Hi There Neville - I have just tested my EIS with ph strips for urine and the EIS is showing mine at 6.0 acid I am probably using the wrong testers as this is all I have to test with - over to you for your input - thanks Sandee Attitude is everything !!! Sandra George Colloidal Silver Products Eye Drops Topical Gel aliveagai...@yahoo.com On 3 Oct 2014, at 14:51, Sandra George oha...@juno.com wrote: Hi There Neville - am I to understand for this post that EIS or CS is alkaline and if so then this is the secret I have been looking for for a while and will explain many observances of mine Thanks Sandee Attitude is everything !!! Sandra George Colloidal Silver Products Eye Drops Topical Gel aliveagai...@yahoo.com On 3 Oct 2014, at 06:45, Neville one.red...@hotmail.com wrote:
RE: CSNew Generator choice of three?
I see that I am going to have to start keeping records of
the pH of my preparations, both when they are made and when
they are used. High pH solutions tend to absorb and react
with carbon dioxide in the air, to form carbonates that
lower the solution pH.
## Going on those two samples aforementioned I had tested it showed that the Ph
is dramatically high alkaline immediately after the brewing process and drops
over time in storage to around that base 7 to 8.
So storage in air tight, almost full bottles would age the
solution differently than partially filled bottles or open
beakers would. It also implies that solution brewed in a
bubble mixed situation would produce closer to neutral
solution, because it was being reacted with carbon dioxide
as it is made. I'm going to have to think about how to brew
the solution without contact with air, to see what effect
that has on its pH.
## I brew mine by the litre in an open top vessel and just seal that vessel for
storage. I think the vessel is actually around 12-1300 ml. Trouble is, every
time I open the lid the solution is exposed to whatever is in the atmosphere,
and I guess that will result in the solution pulling something out of the air
into it, each and every time the lid is taken off. Minor thing perhaps, but
may be more important that one first thinks?
pH is a big factor in most biochemistry. and its change with
time or preparation method for silver water may explain some
of the non-repeatability that different people have seen in
the use of silver water.
## This is an area of which I'd like to see more information about, but that
information *must* relate to the predominantly ionic solution as produced in
the home and not the shop bought 'CS' stuff. For example, if cancer is
supposed to suffer in a high alkaline environment, and prosper in an acidic
environment, then this could go some way to explain the efficacy of EIS when
taken immediately after brewing {high Ph}, or later on after it's been in
storage for a while and Ph has dropped? And this could also apply for any
number of other health related issues as well? Don't know?
Reality is complicated but wonderful.
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Regards,
John Popelish
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Re: CSNew Generator choice of three?
Hi There Neville - for sometime now I have become very interested in the PH levels of the body - as I have done my own personal research, thanks to Hulda Clark, into this arena - I am beginning to understand the importance of keeping the body as balanced as is possible however this is no mean feat due to the fact that most of he food we eat is on the acid side of the meter - not being medically trained in any way this is simply my own personal interest - caused by the never ending question of why - I must have been one of those children who drove their parents to drink with my whys' An acid platform is a virtual feast for all manner of lurgies So I have just gone an bought a PH tester pen from Amazon to be in a good ball park place - I am totally intrigued to learn from you all today that CS is alkaline. This would explain to me why it works so well for me in keeping the dreaded people away from my body !!! I will post a personal experience I have just gone through for all to consider and give me feed back on - tomorrow when I will be back on my desk top not looking and juking on my mobile machines. As is always appreciated by me from all on this link your input and teaching is beyond monetary value to me Thanks to all for being here and sharing so openly as you all do Sandee Attitude is everything !!! Colloidal Silver products Eye drops Healing Gel aliveagai...@yahoo.com On Oct 3, 2014, at 7:36 PM, Neville one.red...@hotmail.com wrote: G'day Sandee - The first two samples were tested at a swimming pool maintenance shop and the other four were done in an Industrial water quality control laboratory. I always had doubts about those test strips, and those Ph meters. I bought some strips a while ago and don't believe they work too well for this application, hence they just sit in the draw. I also got a Ph meter, but again I think it's pretty much useless. Ph meters should be stored in a solution and I haven't got the facility to do that. The Ph really needs to be tested at a proper water testing place. I find it difficult to determine colour using the colour guide with the strips anyway when it's hovering between 6, 7 and 8. Oh to have a laboratory facility at my disposal, and the money to avail myself of it g. The bloke I got to do my lab testing retired a few years ago :-( It's impossible to test stuff properly in the home, no matter what method one uses I believe, and this stuff is so temperamental and subject to all manner of contaminants and environmental factors. For example, I could take a uS reading today and if I test the same sample tomorrow, and if the atmospheric temperature is different and raises/lowers the water temperature, the reading will change accordingly. You just can't be precise with anything in the home, the best one can hope for is to remain in the ball park - somewhere on the field. Subject: Re: CSNew Generator choice of three? From: oha...@juno.com Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 17:04:54 -0400 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Hi There Neville - I have just tested my EIS with ph strips for urine and the EIS is showing mine at 6.0 acid I am probably using the wrong testers as this is all I have to test with - over to you for your input - thanks Sandee Attitude is everything !!! Sandra George Colloidal Silver Products Eye Drops Topical Gel aliveagai...@yahoo.com On 3 Oct 2014, at 14:51, Sandra George oha...@juno.com wrote: Hi There Neville - am I to understand for this post that EIS or CS is alkaline and if so then this is the secret I have been looking for for a while and will explain many observances of mine Thanks Sandee Attitude is everything !!! Sandra George Colloidal Silver Products Eye Drops Topical Gel aliveagai...@yahoo.com On 3 Oct 2014, at 06:45, Neville one.red...@hotmail.com wrote:
Re: CSNew Generator choice of three?
On 10/03/2014 06:03 PM, Alan Faulkner wrote: Thanks John. I wonder if the calibration would be an issue with the electronic one? The strips are cheap but sometimes very difficult to read and this makes them a very rough indicator. Also one of them (the third down) does not include the batteries. (snip) Digital pH meter pens gave come way down in price since I bought one a decade ago. for example: http://www.ebay.com/itm/221550766554 http://www.ebay.com/itm/111419587528 http://www.ebay.com/itm/141364077523 http://www.ebay.com/itm/191251467428 But pH paper is cheap, too. http://www.ebay.com/itm/160-Full-Range-pH-1-14-Test-Testing-Indicator-Paper-Litmus-Strips-Kit-Universal-/201070668843 http://www.ebay.com/itm/pH-Strips-1-12-range-vial-100-strips-Test-Paper-Litmus-Pool-Acid-Base-/271226943693 They sell buffer calibration solutions and salt packets you dissolve in distilled water, to check and adjust the calibration. I think the second one, above comes with two buffer packets. Replacements are cheap and plentiful. Buffers are solutions that hold a fixed pH value, in spite of considerable contamination. Probably the worst thing to use to check calibration is very pure water, since its pH can be shifted by dipping the tip of your finger in it. It is the opposite of a buffer. The batteries they use are very common types. that are very cheap. The EC meters use these, and I think some of the pH meters do, too. http://www.ebay.com/itm/AG13-LR44-LR1154-SR44-A76-357A-303-357-Alkaline-Coin-Cell-Button-Battery-AE-/111433131955 -- Regards, John Popelish -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNew Generator choice of three?
Y'all are so smart so if this isn't pertinent to this conversation, just say so won't hurt my feelings. :) I was a bookkeeper at a fuel business and the powers that be decided to sell swimming pools during the off season... summer. Every employee had to go to pool school to learn how pools work and how to test the various components of pool water. Of course, the company had a super, duper $ 300 + test 'station', much more indepth and accurate than a homeowner's inexpensive test kit. If one could find out the mfg of these more expensive test stations, perhaps one could purchase just the ph testing part of it and the chemical required for just the ph testing? They do sell replacements of the various components that make up the test station. We didn't charge our customers for testing their pool water and, in fact, encouraged them to let us test every week or two. If one didn't want to invest in thier own testing equipment, maybe let one of these testing facilities check your product from time to time? I have heard that the charge for testing runs $ 5 - $ 10 dollars? I have no clue if the cs would mess up the readings or not. The only thing we ever had to neutralize before ph testing was chlorine. Would the silver just be considered a tds and ignored for ph? Don't know. We did have to run a separate test for metals in the water. In an HP pool, any metals could accelerate the use of the pool chemicals like Baquacil. As for ph readings of 6.5 or thereabouts we have country well water and our well water always tests at 6.5 or thereabouts and we bathe in it, drink it and cook with it. It has been thirty years now and we are no worse for wear. Lola H. ps.. I purchased a cs making machine a few years back and am still too chicken to try it. .. lol.. LH On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 8:32 PM, John Popelish jpopel...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/03/2014 06:03 PM, Alan Faulkner wrote: Thanks John. I wonder if the calibration would be an issue with the electronic one? The strips are cheap but sometimes very difficult to read and this makes them a very rough indicator. Also one of them (the third down) does not include the batteries. (snip) Digital pH meter pens gave come way down in price since I bought one a decade ago. for example: http://www.ebay.com/itm/221550766554 http://www.ebay.com/itm/111419587528 http://www.ebay.com/itm/141364077523 http://www.ebay.com/itm/191251467428 But pH paper is cheap, too. http://www.ebay.com/itm/160-Full-Range-pH-1-14-Test- Testing-Indicator-Paper-Litmus-Strips-Kit-Universal-/201070668843 http://www.ebay.com/itm/pH-Strips-1-12-range-vial-100- strips-Test-Paper-Litmus-Pool-Acid-Base-/271226943693 They sell buffer calibration solutions and salt packets you dissolve in distilled water, to check and adjust the calibration. I think the second one, above comes with two buffer packets. Replacements are cheap and plentiful. Buffers are solutions that hold a fixed pH value, in spite of considerable contamination. Probably the worst thing to use to check calibration is very pure water, since its pH can be shifted by dipping the tip of your finger in it. It is the opposite of a buffer. The batteries they use are very common types. that are very cheap. The EC meters use these, and I think some of the pH meters do, too. http://www.ebay.com/itm/AG13-LR44-LR1154-SR44-A76-357A-303- 357-Alkaline-Coin-Cell-Button-Battery-AE-/111433131955 -- Regards, John Popelish -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/ maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNew Generator choice of three?
On 10/03/2014 09:02 PM, phoenix23002 tds.net wrote: (snip) ps.. I purchased a cs making machine a few years back and am still too chicken to try it. .. lol.. LH Please make a batch or two and just try it topically, if you are worried about consuming it. It quickly cured my dog of a skin infection we fought for a year and several vet visits for antibiotics an anti-fungals. We just splashed it on after her bath. It gets rid of my dandruff better than commercial dandruff shampoos. I got an infected gum, after a tooth extraction and a few rinses and spits got rid of it. It is just a good antiseptic to have for the daily assaults your body faces. These are essentially zero risk uses. -- Regards, John Popelish -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNew Generator choice of three?
John.. thanks for the encouragement. I purchased the Colloid Master unit (don't remember which one) and it came with some kind of meter and a pouch of some liquid. Something about testing the meter??? Just don't remember but that set me off immediately because it was confusing. Very intimidating. Is there somewhere where you can send off a sample of your cs to be sure it is safe and consumable? I would like to try to make cs especially with all this ebola business going on now.. I was all set to go before I got the machine, even had my qt canning jars all ready and several galons of distilled water. I am purchasing my cs from a member of this list and the potency of his cs compared to the OTC stuff I had been buying for years was remarkable. The Colloid Master is the unit he was using at the time so I figured.. no sweat, ya know? But, you are right. I should drag it out and go thru it again, maybe call the mfg. They do encourage folks to call if they need help. Again, thanks, John.Lola H. On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 9:49 PM, John Popelish jpopel...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/03/2014 09:02 PM, phoenix23002 tds.net wrote: (snip) ps.. I purchased a cs making machine a few years back and am still too chicken to try it. .. lol.. LH Please make a batch or two and just try it topically, if you are worried about consuming it. It quickly cured my dog of a skin infection we fought for a year and several vet visits for antibiotics an anti-fungals. We just splashed it on after her bath. It gets rid of my dandruff better than commercial dandruff shampoos. I got an infected gum, after a tooth extraction and a few rinses and spits got rid of it. It is just a good antiseptic to have for the daily assaults your body faces. These are essentially zero risk uses. -- Regards, John Popelish -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/ maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Sandra: My experience has always been exactly like yours. 6.0 to 6.6 Dave On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 2:04 PM, Sandra George oha...@juno.com wrote: Hi There Neville - I have just tested my EIS with ph strips for urine and the EIS is showing mine at 6.0 acid I am probably using the wrong testers as this is all I have to test with - over to you for your input - thanks Sandee Attitude is everything !!! Sandra George Colloidal Silver Products Eye Drops Topical Gel aliveagai...@yahoo.com On 3 Oct 2014, at 14:51, Sandra George oha...@juno.com wrote: Hi There Neville - am I to understand for this post that EIS or CS is alkaline and if so then this is the secret I have been looking for for a while and will explain many observances of mine Thanks Sandee Attitude is everything !!! Sandra George Colloidal Silver Products Eye Drops Topical Gel aliveagai...@yahoo.com On 3 Oct 2014, at 06:45, Neville one.red...@hotmail.com wrote: I had two samples tested for Ph, one was shortly after brewing, which returned high alkaline as it apparently went off his scale, the second sample had been in storage for a while and was around base 7 point something. This ties in with several samples which had been in storage for a while I had lab analysed years ago... Clear solution - 7.4Ph, conductivity 23uS/cm Yellow - 7.5,...19 Amber - 7.4...20 and another I only noted the date for - 7.8Ph, conductivity 24. This one was noted on the report as being a low volume sample for testing purposes. First three water temperature 21C and the last was 22C. I have always been of the opinion there *could?* be a difference in efficacy for a given health issue or injury circumstance dependant on how long after brewing it is ingested/applied. This is why I am also of the opinion there are more options available with the home produced product over the shop bought product, i.e. high alkaline Ph solution and more base Ph solution. Only my opinions of course, but I'm sticking to them until proven otherwise as I haven't found any information relating to efficacy related to Ph of solution, and in all likelihood I never will g. N. Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 18:02:16 +0930 From: alch...@kern.com.au To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSNew Generator choice of three? From: Top Dog rsh...@gmail.com Date: 30/09/2014 4:18 AM 3. Silver Lungs: Watched the videos and read a few websites that tout the commercial like nature of this machine and it's reliability. I do like the bigger silver rods as it should keep from having to buy a new set for a while. Like the polarity reversal function to keep the rods evenly used. Also not sure if having the water a higher PH does really make a difference although it sounds plausible. This unit is high on my list but it does show that it is 4 weeks on backorder which makes me wonder if there is a supply problem or just that popular. The Silverlungs presentation is nice but - It has no manual over-ride so you can't make it stronger than 20ppm. - It seems you are stuck with a fixed jar size, and it has to be a beaker. - The high '10' pH claim is dubious. Basically it makes colloidal silver the same way as any other machine but 'somehow' the pH comes out much higher! It doesnt really add up. See the reports for many ionic silver products at www.silver-colloids.com and you'll see that the pH is always around 5 to 7. (Not that it really matters anyway. A mouthful of CS is hardly going to change your body's alkalinity). - It makes a litre of 10ppm in about 90mins. This is almost too quick. 1 mA at the electrodes is generally considered to be the ideal current to produce the smallest particles. To make CS that fast would require a much higher current.. and consequently produce larger particles. I'd like to see a proper particle size report, not that TEM stuff on their site. (This report explains why TEM images for colloidal silver are extremely misleading...http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/TEM.html) David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com Medicare Sleep Apnea Medicare approved coverage for an oral appliance for sleep apnea. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3165/542ef2193462b7219081emp05vuc
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Rule of Thumb for CS Concentration: The maximum concentration for 1 cup of CS made at 1 milliamp for one hour would be approximately 17ppm. On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 3:32 AM, Debra David alch...@kern.com.au wrote: From: Top Dog rsh...@gmail.com rsh...@gmail.com Date: 30/09/2014 4:18 AM 3. Silver Lungs: Watched the videos and read a few websites that tout the commercial like nature of this machine and it's reliability. I do like the bigger silver rods as it should keep from having to buy a new set for a while. Like the polarity reversal function to keep the rods evenly used. Also not sure if having the water a higher PH does really make a difference although it sounds plausible. This unit is high on my list but it does show that it is 4 weeks on backorder which makes me wonder if there is a supply problem or just that popular. The Silverlungs presentation is nice but - It has no manual over-ride so you can't make it stronger than 20ppm. - It seems you are stuck with a fixed jar size, and it has to be a beaker. - The high '10' pH claim is dubious. Basically it makes colloidal silver the same way as any other machine but 'somehow' the pH comes out much higher! It doesnt really add up. See the reports for many ionic silver products at www.silver-colloids.com and you'll see that the pH is always around 5 to 7. (Not that it really matters anyway. A mouthful of CS is hardly going to change your body's alkalinity). - It makes a litre of 10ppm in about 90mins. This is almost too quick. 1 mA at the electrodes is generally considered to be the ideal current to produce the smallest particles. To make CS that fast would require a much higher current.. and consequently produce larger particles. I'd like to see a proper particle size report, not that TEM stuff on their site. (This report explains why TEM images for colloidal silver are extremely misleading... http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/TEM.html) David
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On 10/1/2014 1:10 PM, bodhipakkh...@gmail.com wrote: HI, im considering buying the silver puppy and sent an email to their site but have not heard back. I am wondering how much it makes and how long it takes to make it. specifically quart of larger. Batch time depends on initial water quality and desired strength..very pure water takes longer. Typically a quart batch will take between 7 and 9 hours to reach 15 PPM the site says it makes a quart 'ok' and im looking for a little clarification. does anyone use it to make consistently larger sized batches than a pint and if so, how does that go? Making 4 quarts takes less time than making a gallon. Some of the first quart can be used to seed the next to reduce over all time significantly, eliminating the water quality variable 'ramp up to current' period. Since making very large batches spends a lot more time at the higher concentrations, if anything CAN go wrong, the odds increase that it will go wrong. There is no mechanical limit to batch size, but environmental elements are better controlled making smaller batches. You WILL need the magnetic stirrer for anything over a quart. [The Thermal Convection stirrer poops out at over 8 inches in vertical height.. a quart jar is about 6 1/2 tall] ode thanks in advance bodhi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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To add to what Ode said below: seeding a quart batch with about 1/4 to 1/6 of previously made CS brings the time down to around 3-4 hours. sol Ode Coyote wrote: Batch time depends on initial water quality and desired strength..very pure water takes longer. Typically a quart batch will take between 7 and 9 hours to reach 15 PPM Making 4 quarts takes less time than making a gallon. Some of the first quart can be used to seed the next to reduce over all time significantly, eliminating the water quality variable 'ramp up to current' period. Since making very large batches spends a lot more time at the higher concentrations, if anything CAN go wrong, the odds increase that it will go wrong. There is no mechanical limit to batch size, but environmental elements are better controlled making smaller batches. You WILL need the magnetic stirrer for anything over a quart. [The Thermal Convection stirrer poops out at over 8 inches in vertical height.. a quart jar is about 6 1/2 tall] ode --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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All generators produce nothing BUT ions. The trick is what happens to them later. Warmer water will hold more of them in a dissolved state as a solution [Hydrosol] Cooler water forces more ions to neutralize their charge with something else in order to crystallize out of solution as a 'particle' Key word: Saturation point Ode On 9/30/2014 7:53 PM, Asif Nathekar wrote: Hi I have favoured cooler temps and no starter liquid for the reason that higher water resistance will produce more ions let me know your thoughts... cheers. Asif. -Original Message- From: John Popelish Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 11:51 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSNew Generator choice of three? On 09/30/2014 06:26 PM, Victor Cozzetto wrote: I prefer a thermal stirrer, as it speeds up production by adding some warmth. This is very significant if you are not in a temperature controlled environment; such as an empty house in winter that does not keep the heat running. I even use a warmer bulb in winter. (snip) This brings up another question (sorry for stepping on your topic) that has been bouncing around in my mind for a while. Has anyone investigated how the proportions of ionic to colloidal silver (or the size of the colloidal clusters) varies as the temperature of the water is changed, for any given generator source and electrode configuration? I know that the rate of production goes up as the temperature rises, because warm water is more electrically conductive. But I haven't seen any reference about the quality, versus temperature. I may have to do some controlled experiments, comparing batches made in the refrigerator (say, 35F), at room temperature, and in a makeshift oven, somewhere below boiling. Those three points might make a nice trend line, if I can quantify the results. If anyone wants to dive into this, perhaps we should use a new thread. Feel free to paste any of my text into that. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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HI, im considering buying the silver puppy and sent an email to their site but have not heard back. I am wondering how much it makes and how long it takes to make it. specifically quart of larger. the site says it makes a quart 'ok' and im looking for a little clarification. does anyone use it to make consistently larger sized batches than a pint and if so, how does that go? thanks in advance bodhi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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I have had a Silver Puppy for 8 years or so and have the same rods and magnetic stirrer with no sign of them wearing out anytime soon. it makes consistently good CS - I make my own distilled water so get no discolouration problems due to water not being good. It does the reverse polarity thing as well and turns itself off when it reaches 10ppm. You can manually turn it on again as it has an auto/manual switch and you can set it to make a higher ppm if you want. Ken is really good when asked advice (straight to the point) and has integrity, which I would question with a lot of manufacturers. I don’t think you can make such large batches as you can with the Silvegen, but am not sure. This is another good machine according to people on the list who have one. HTH dee On 29 Sep 2014, at 20:05, V highergroun...@gmail.com wrote: I am interested in a new machine also as mine doesn't have a stir method and seems a bit fragile. I also would like to know if any lend themselves easily to using silver coins instead of silver wire. I bought two .999 percent silver and hope to use them. Thanks! On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Top Dog rsh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, New here but have been devouring everything on silver for the past week and I found this list through one of the forums. There are certainly some confusing statements that I have been encountering from people and creators of machines but I think I have it narrowed down to three choices and I am looking for opinions on which to go with. My goals are to make 10-20ppm of ionic silver preferably in quart sizes but if feasible then a gallon would be great. I'm looking for something that won't take 12 hrs to do a batch and will stand the test of time as far as reliability goes and can be used every day or every other day if needed and can be repaired easily if needed with support from the manufacturer. Also must have some sort of mechanical stirrer as from what I have read, a bubbler is a bad idea. I'm not interested in a toy. My budget is $350-$400 It appears that I have come down to these three units from what I have read and gathered so far, but if anyone has another unit that falls into my specifications then please let me know. The units are: 1. Silver Puppy: Seems like alot of people are pleased with this unit and it certainly has a good price point. Trying to find out more info on how long the rods will last etc and if it will do larger batch's but might have missed it on the website so I am going to check again for those answers. Seems like it has been reliable for people. Not sure on the magnetic stirrer unit as I am not sure of its longevity. May just pick a used lab unit up somewhere. 2. Silver Gen Model SG6 Auto: Manufacturer touts the uniqueness of this unit and has a built in mechanical stirrer. Within my budget. 3. Silver Lungs: Watched the videos and read a few websites that tout the commercial like nature of this machine and it's reliability. I do like the bigger silver rods as it should keep from having to buy a new set for a while. Like the polarity reversal function to keep the rods evenly used. Also not sure if having the water a higher PH does really make a difference although it sounds plausible. This unit is high on my list but it does show that it is 4 weeks on backorder which makes me wonder if there is a supply problem or just that popular. All in all I am looking to choose one of these machines unless something else pops up but wanted some takes on what people thought of these machines if they have used them before or know more about their differences to make me have a decision either way. Thanks for everyone's help. -Bob -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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What Dorothy said. I too have a Silver Puppy and love it. I leave it on automatic and it's great. You can ask Ken any questions you have, either here or on his site. He's extremely knowledgeable, down to earth, no bullshit and no outlandish claims. I honestly can't recommend him and his products highly enough. Cheers Kirsteen On 29 Sep 2014 19:48, Top Dog rsh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, New here but have been devouring everything on silver for the past week and I found this list through one of the forums. There are certainly some confusing statements that I have been encountering from people and creators of machines but I think I have it narrowed down to three choices and I am looking for opinions on which to go with. My goals are to make 10-20ppm of ionic silver preferably in quart sizes but if feasible then a gallon would be great. I'm looking for something that won't take 12 hrs to do a batch and will stand the test of time as far as reliability goes and can be used every day or every other day if needed and can be repaired easily if needed with support from the manufacturer. Also must have some sort of mechanical stirrer as from what I have read, a bubbler is a bad idea. I'm not interested in a toy. My budget is $350-$400 It appears that I have come down to these three units from what I have read and gathered so far, but if anyone has another unit that falls into my specifications then please let me know. The units are: 1. Silver Puppy: Seems like alot of people are pleased with this unit and it certainly has a good price point. Trying to find out more info on how long the rods will last etc and if it will do larger batch's but might have missed it on the website so I am going to check again for those answers. Seems like it has been reliable for people. Not sure on the magnetic stirrer unit as I am not sure of its longevity. May just pick a used lab unit up somewhere. 2. Silver Gen Model SG6 Auto: Manufacturer touts the uniqueness of this unit and has a built in mechanical stirrer. Within my budget. 3. Silver Lungs: Watched the videos and read a few websites that tout the commercial like nature of this machine and it's reliability. I do like the bigger silver rods as it should keep from having to buy a new set for a while. Like the polarity reversal function to keep the rods evenly used. Also not sure if having the water a higher PH does really make a difference although it sounds plausible. This unit is high on my list but it does show that it is 4 weeks on backorder which makes me wonder if there is a supply problem or just that popular. All in all I am looking to choose one of these machines unless something else pops up but wanted some takes on what people thought of these machines if they have used them before or know more about their differences to make me have a decision either way. Thanks for everyone's help. -Bob
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I made my own last year, and then this year I bought the Colloid Master from www.wishgranted.com. The price was reasonable and they shipped it right away. It reverses current direction by itself, so no stirring is necessary. Joe On 2014-09-29 2:48 PM, Top Dog wrote: Hi all, New here but have been devouring everything on silver for the past week and I found this list through one of the forums. There are certainly some confusing statements that I have been encountering from people and creators of machines but I think I have it narrowed down to three choices and I am looking for opinions on which to go with. My goals are to make 10-20ppm of ionic silver preferably in quart sizes but if feasible then a gallon would be great. I'm looking for something that won't take 12 hrs to do a batch and will stand the test of time as far as reliability goes and can be used every day or every other day if needed and can be repaired easily if needed with support from the manufacturer. Also must have some sort of mechanical stirrer as from what I have read, a bubbler is a bad idea. I'm not interested in a toy. My budget is $350-$400 It appears that I have come down to these three units from what I have read and gathered so far, but if anyone has another unit that falls into my specifications then please let me know. The units are: 1. Silver Puppy: Seems like alot of people are pleased with this unit and it certainly has a good price point. Trying to find out more info on how long the rods will last etc and if it will do larger batch's but might have missed it on the website so I am going to check again for those answers. Seems like it has been reliable for people. Not sure on the magnetic stirrer unit as I am not sure of its longevity. May just pick a used lab unit up somewhere. 2. Silver Gen Model SG6 Auto: Manufacturer touts the uniqueness of this unit and has a built in mechanical stirrer. Within my budget. 3. Silver Lungs: Watched the videos and read a few websites that tout the commercial like nature of this machine and it's reliability. I do like the bigger silver rods as it should keep from having to buy a new set for a while. Like the polarity reversal function to keep the rods evenly used. Also not sure if having the water a higher PH does really make a difference although it sounds plausible. This unit is high on my list but it does show that it is 4 weeks on backorder which makes me wonder if there is a supply problem or just that popular. All in all I am looking to choose one of these machines unless something else pops up but wanted some takes on what people thought of these machines if they have used them before or know more about their differences to make me have a decision either way. Thanks for everyone's help. -Bob -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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I second accolades for the Silver Puppy and for Ken. I have had great experiences with the Silver Puppy. Simple to use and a consistently good product. PT From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 5:11 AM Subject: Re: CSNew Generator choice of three? I have had a Silver Puppy for 8 years or so and have the same rods and magnetic stirrer with no sign of them wearing out anytime soon. it makes consistently good CS - I make my own distilled water so get no discolouration problems due to water not being good. It does the reverse polarity thing as well and turns itself off when it reaches 10ppm. You can manually turn it on again as it has an auto/manual switch and you can set it to make a higher ppm if you want. Ken is really good when asked advice (straight to the point) and has integrity, which I would question with a lot of manufacturers. I don’t think you can make such large batches as you can with the Silvegen, but am not sure. This is another good machine according to people on the list who have one. HTH dee On 29 Sep 2014, at 20:05, V highergroun...@gmail.com wrote: I am interested in a new machine also as mine doesn't have a stir method and seems a bit fragile. I also would like to know if any lend themselves easily to using silver coins instead of silver wire. I bought two .999 percent silver and hope to use them. Thanks! On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Top Dog rsh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, New here but have been devouring everything on silver for the past week and I found this list through one of the forums. There are certainly some confusing statements that I have been encountering from people and creators of machines but I think I have it narrowed down to three choices and I am looking for opinions on which to go with. My goals are to make 10-20ppm of ionic silver preferably in quart sizes but if feasible then a gallon would be great. I'm looking for something that won't take 12 hrs to do a batch and will stand the test of time as far as reliability goes and can be used every day or every other day if needed and can be repaired easily if needed with support from the manufacturer. Also must have some sort of mechanical stirrer as from what I have read, a bubbler is a bad idea. I'm not interested in a toy. My budget is $350-$400 It appears that I have come down to these three units from what I have read and gathered so far, but if anyone has another unit that falls into my specifications then please let me know. The units are: 1. Silver Puppy: Seems like alot of people are pleased with this unit and it certainly has a good price point. Trying to find out more info on how long the rods will last etc and if it will do larger batch's but might have missed it on the website so I am going to check again for those answers. Seems like it has been reliable for people. Not sure on the magnetic stirrer unit as I am not sure of its longevity. May just pick a used lab unit up somewhere. 2. Silver Gen Model SG6 Auto: Manufacturer touts the uniqueness of this unit and has a built in mechanical stirrer. Within my budget. 3. Silver Lungs: Watched the videos and read a few websites that tout the commercial like nature of this machine and it's reliability. I do like the bigger silver rods as it should keep from having to buy a new set for a while. Like the polarity reversal function to keep the rods evenly used. Also not sure if having the water a higher PH does really make a difference although it sounds plausible. This unit is high on my list but it does show that it is 4 weeks on backorder which makes me wonder if there is a supply problem or just that popular. All in all I am looking to choose one of these machines unless something else pops up but wanted some takes on what people thought of these machines if they have used them before or know more about their differences to make me have a decision either way. Thanks for everyone's help. -Bob -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Enthusiastic ditto, here! Be well, Léna On Sep 30, 2014, at 6:34 AM, Kirsteen Wright wrote: What Dorothy said. I too have a Silver Puppy and love it. I leave it on automatic and it's great. You can ask Ken any questions you have, either here or on his site. He's extremely knowledgeable, down to earth, no bullshit and no outlandish claims. I honestly can't recommend him and his products highly enough. Cheers Kirsteen On 29 Sep 2014 19:48, Top Dog rsh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, New here but have been devouring everything on silver for the past week and I found this list through one of the forums. There are certainly some confusing statements that I have been encountering from people and creators of machines but I think I have it narrowed down to three choices and I am looking for opinions on which to go with. My goals are to make 10-20ppm of ionic silver preferably in quart sizes but if feasible then a gallon would be great. I'm looking for something that won't take 12 hrs to do a batch and will stand the test of time as far as reliability goes and can be used every day or every other day if needed and can be repaired easily if needed with support from the manufacturer. Also must have some sort of mechanical stirrer as from what I have read, a bubbler is a bad idea. I'm not interested in a toy. My budget is $350-$400 It appears that I have come down to these three units from what I have read and gathered so far, but if anyone has another unit that falls into my specifications then please let me know. The units are: 1. Silver Puppy: Seems like alot of people are pleased with this unit and it certainly has a good price point. Trying to find out more info on how long the rods will last etc and if it will do larger batch's but might have missed it on the website so I am going to check again for those answers. Seems like it has been reliable for people. Not sure on the magnetic stirrer unit as I am not sure of its longevity. May just pick a used lab unit up somewhere. 2. Silver Gen Model SG6 Auto: Manufacturer touts the uniqueness of this unit and has a built in mechanical stirrer. Within my budget. 3. Silver Lungs: Watched the videos and read a few websites that tout the commercial like nature of this machine and it's reliability. I do like the bigger silver rods as it should keep from having to buy a new set for a while. Like the polarity reversal function to keep the rods evenly used. Also not sure if having the water a higher PH does really make a difference although it sounds plausible. This unit is high on my list but it does show that it is 4 weeks on backorder which makes me wonder if there is a supply problem or just that popular. All in all I am looking to choose one of these machines unless something else pops up but wanted some takes on what people thought of these machines if they have used them before or know more about their differences to make me have a decision either way. Thanks for everyone's help. -Bob
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The SilverGen can make up to 5 gallons at a time. Google for info. I have one and it’s great. I make the silver for horses so I need to make a lot at one time. From: Lena Guyot Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 6:28 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSNew Generator choice of three? Enthusiastic ditto, here! Be well, Léna On Sep 30, 2014, at 6:34 AM, Kirsteen Wright wrote: What Dorothy said. I too have a Silver Puppy and love it. I leave it on automatic and it's great. You can ask Ken any questions you have, either here or on his site. He's extremely knowledgeable, down to earth, no bullshit and no outlandish claims. I honestly can't recommend him and his products highly enough. Cheers Kirsteen On 29 Sep 2014 19:48, Top Dog rsh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, New here but have been devouring everything on silver for the past week and I found this list through one of the forums. There are certainly some confusing statements that I have been encountering from people and creators of machines but I think I have it narrowed down to three choices and I am looking for opinions on which to go with. My goals are to make 10-20ppm of ionic silver preferably in quart sizes but if feasible then a gallon would be great. I'm looking for something that won't take 12 hrs to do a batch and will stand the test of time as far as reliability goes and can be used every day or every other day if needed and can be repaired easily if needed with support from the manufacturer. Also must have some sort of mechanical stirrer as from what I have read, a bubbler is a bad idea. I'm not interested in a toy. My budget is $350-$400 It appears that I have come down to these three units from what I have read and gathered so far, but if anyone has another unit that falls into my specifications then please let me know. The units are: 1. Silver Puppy: Seems like alot of people are pleased with this unit and it certainly has a good price point. Trying to find out more info on how long the rods will last etc and if it will do larger batch's but might have missed it on the website so I am going to check again for those answers. Seems like it has been reliable for people. Not sure on the magnetic stirrer unit as I am not sure of its longevity. May just pick a used lab unit up somewhere. 2. Silver Gen Model SG6 Auto: Manufacturer touts the uniqueness of this unit and has a built in mechanical stirrer. Within my budget. 3. Silver Lungs: Watched the videos and read a few websites that tout the commercial like nature of this machine and it's reliability. I do like the bigger silver rods as it should keep from having to buy a new set for a while. Like the polarity reversal function to keep the rods evenly used. Also not sure if having the water a higher PH does really make a difference although it sounds plausible. This unit is high on my list but it does show that it is 4 weeks on backorder which makes me wonder if there is a supply problem or just that popular. All in all I am looking to choose one of these machines unless something else pops up but wanted some takes on what people thought of these machines if they have used them before or know more about their differences to make me have a decision either way. Thanks for everyone's help. -Bob
Re: CSNew Generator choice of three?
I own both the Silverpuppy and a Silvergen SG-6 and am very happy with both. I make quarts with the pup, and gallons with the SG-6. If you seed the next batch by leaving approximately 1/4 of the previous batch in the brew jar, processing time is greatly reduced. sol --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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So does the SilverPuppy but you can have a magnetic stirrer as well if you want...dee Sent from my iPad On 30 Sep 2014, at 14:11, Joe Huard joe.hu...@primus.ca wrote: I made my own last year, and then this year I bought the Colloid Master from www.wishgranted.com. The price was reasonable and they shipped it right away. It reverses current direction by itself, so no stirring is necessary. Joe On 2014-09-29 2:48 PM, Top Dog wrote: Hi all, New here but have been devouring everything on silver for the past week and I found this list through one of the forums. There are certainly some confusing statements that I have been encountering from people and creators of machines but I think I have it narrowed down to three choices and I am looking for opinions on which to go with. My goals are to make 10-20ppm of ionic silver preferably in quart sizes but if feasible then a gallon would be great. I'm looking for something that won't take 12 hrs to do a batch and will stand the test of time as far as reliability goes and can be used every day or every other day if needed and can be repaired easily if needed with support from the manufacturer. Also must have some sort of mechanical stirrer as from what I have read, a bubbler is a bad idea. I'm not interested in a toy. My budget is $350-$400 It appears that I have come down to these three units from what I have read and gathered so far, but if anyone has another unit that falls into my specifications then please let me know. The units are: 1. Silver Puppy: Seems like alot of people are pleased with this unit and it certainly has a good price point. Trying to find out more info on how long the rods will last etc and if it will do larger batch's but might have missed it on the website so I am going to check again for those answers. Seems like it has been reliable for people. Not sure on the magnetic stirrer unit as I am not sure of its longevity. May just pick a used lab unit up somewhere. 2. Silver Gen Model SG6 Auto: Manufacturer touts the uniqueness of this unit and has a built in mechanical stirrer. Within my budget. 3. Silver Lungs: Watched the videos and read a few websites that tout the commercial like nature of this machine and it's reliability. I do like the bigger silver rods as it should keep from having to buy a new set for a while. Like the polarity reversal function to keep the rods evenly used. Also not sure if having the water a higher PH does really make a difference although it sounds plausible. This unit is high on my list but it does show that it is 4 weeks on backorder which makes me wonder if there is a supply problem or just that popular. All in all I am looking to choose one of these machines unless something else pops up but wanted some takes on what people thought of these machines if they have used them before or know more about their differences to make me have a decision either way. Thanks for everyone's help. -Bob -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Joe: I bought a Colloid Master after my SG6 crapped out. However, I find it almost impossible to get the silver electrodes to sit relatively parallel in the solution because the insertion method is so flimsy. Did you find a workaround? Thanks, Terry Joe Huard joe.hu...@primus.ca wrote: = I made my own last year, and then this year I bought the Colloid Master from www.wishgranted.com. The price was reasonable and they shipped it right away. It reverses current direction by itself, so no stirring is necessary. Joe On 2014-09-29 2:48 PM, Top Dog wrote: Hi all, New here but have been devouring everything on silver for the past week and I found this list through one of the forums. There are certainly some confusing statements that I have been encountering from people and creators of machines but I think I have it narrowed down to three choices and I am looking for opinions on which to go with. My goals are to make 10-20ppm of ionic silver preferably in quart sizes but if feasible then a gallon would be great. I'm looking for something that won't take 12 hrs to do a batch and will stand the test of time as far as reliability goes and can be used every day or every other day if needed and can be repaired easily if needed with support from the manufacturer. Also must have some sort of mechanical stirrer as from what I have read, a bubbler is a bad idea. I'm not interested in a toy. My budget is $350-$400 It appears that I have come down to these three units from what I have read and gathered so far, but if anyone has another unit that falls into my specifications then please let me know. The units are: 1. Silver Puppy: Seems like alot of people are pleased with this unit and it certainly has a good price point. Trying to find out more info on how long the rods will last etc and if it will do larger batch's but might have missed it on the website so I am going to check again for those answers. Seems like it has been reliable for people. Not sure on the magnetic stirrer unit as I am not sure of its longevity. May just pick a used lab unit up somewhere. 2. Silver Gen Model SG6 Auto: Manufacturer touts the uniqueness of this unit and has a built in mechanical stirrer. Within my budget. 3. Silver Lungs: Watched the videos and read a few websites that tout the commercial like nature of this machine and it's reliability. I do like the bigger silver rods as it should keep from having to buy a new set for a while. Like the polarity reversal function to keep the rods evenly used. Also not sure if having the water a higher PH does really make a difference although it sounds plausible. This unit is high on my list but it does show that it is 4 weeks on backorder which makes me wonder if there is a supply problem or just that popular. All in all I am looking to choose one of these machines unless something else pops up but wanted some takes on what people thought of these machines if they have used them before or know more about their differences to make me have a decision either way. Thanks for everyone's help. -Bob -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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It pumps dust and nitrogen through the water. The preferred method is mechanical stirring. Trem From: jmharringto...@yahoo.com [mailto:jmharringto...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 12:56 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSNew Generator choice of three? Curious as to why a bubbler is considered bad? A lot of people use this method. Please and thank you. Kind regards, Michele Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android _ From: V highergroun...@gmail.com; To: silver-list@eskimo.com; Subject: Re: CSNew Generator choice of three? Sent: Mon, Sep 29, 2014 7:05:07 PM I am interested in a new machine also as mine doesn't have a stir method and seems a bit fragile. I also would like to know if any lend themselves easily to using silver coins instead of silver wire. I bought two .999 percent silver and hope to use them. Thanks! On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Top Dog rsh...@gmail.com javascript:return wrote: Hi all, New here but have been devouring everything on silver for the past week and I found this list through one of the forums. There are certainly some confusing statements that I have been encountering from people and creators of machines but I think I have it narrowed down to three choices and I am looking for opinions on which to go with. My goals are to make 10-20ppm of ionic silver preferably in quart sizes but if feasible then a gallon would be great. I'm looking for something that won't take 12 hrs to do a batch and will stand the test of time as far as reliability goes and can be used every day or every other day if needed and can be repaired easily if needed with support from the manufacturer. Also must have some sort of mechanical stirrer as from what I have read, a bubbler is a bad idea. I'm not interested in a toy. My budget is $350-$400 It appears that I have come down to these three units from what I have read and gathered so far, but if anyone has another unit that falls into my specifications then please let me know. The units are: 1. Silver Puppy: Seems like alot of people are pleased with this unit and it certainly has a good price point. Trying to find out more info on how long the rods will last etc and if it will do larger batch's but might have missed it on the website so I am going to check again for those answers. Seems like it has been reliable for people. Not sure on the magnetic stirrer unit as I am not sure of its longevity. May just pick a used lab unit up somewhere. 2. Silver Gen Model SG6 Auto: Manufacturer touts the uniqueness of this unit and has a built in mechanical stirrer. Within my budget. 3. Silver Lungs: Watched the videos and read a few websites that tout the commercial like nature of this machine and it's reliability. I do like the bigger silver rods as it should keep from having to buy a new set for a while. Like the polarity reversal function to keep the rods evenly used. Also not sure if having the water a higher PH does really make a difference although it sounds plausible. This unit is high on my list but it does show that it is 4 weeks on backorder which makes me wonder if there is a supply problem or just that popular. All in all I am looking to choose one of these machines unless something else pops up but wanted some takes on what people thought of these machines if they have used them before or know more about their differences to make me have a decision either way. Thanks for everyone's help. -Bob
Re: CSNew Generator choice of three?
I prefer a thermal stirrer, as it speeds up production by adding some warmth. This is very significant if you are not in a temperature controlled environment; such as an empty house in winter that does not keep the heat running. I even use a warmer bulb in winter. I am another silverpuppy user and highly recommend it. Victor On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 4:22 AM, TREM t...@silvergen.com wrote: It pumps dust and nitrogen through the water. The preferred method is mechanical stirring. Trem *From:* jmharringto...@yahoo.com [mailto:jmharringto...@yahoo.com] *Sent:* Monday, September 29, 2014 12:56 PM *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: CSNew Generator choice of three? Curious as to why a bubbler is considered bad? A lot of people use this method. Please and thank you. Kind regards, Michele Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android -- *From: *V highergroun...@gmail.com; *To: *silver-list@eskimo.com; *Subject: *Re: CSNew Generator choice of three? *Sent: *Mon, Sep 29, 2014 7:05:07 PM I am interested in a new machine also as mine doesn't have a stir method and seems a bit fragile. I also would like to know if any lend themselves easily to using silver coins instead of silver wire. I bought two .999 percent silver and hope to use them. Thanks! On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Top Dog rsh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, New here but have been devouring everything on silver for the past week and I found this list through one of the forums. There are certainly some confusing statements that I have been encountering from people and creators of machines but I think I have it narrowed down to three choices and I am looking for opinions on which to go with. My goals are to make 10-20ppm of ionic silver preferably in quart sizes but if feasible then a gallon would be great. I'm looking for something that won't take 12 hrs to do a batch and will stand the test of time as far as reliability goes and can be used every day or every other day if needed and can be repaired easily if needed with support from the manufacturer. Also must have some sort of mechanical stirrer as from what I have read, a bubbler is a bad idea. I'm not interested in a toy. My budget is $350-$400 It appears that I have come down to these three units from what I have read and gathered so far, but if anyone has another unit that falls into my specifications then please let me know. The units are: 1. Silver Puppy: Seems like alot of people are pleased with this unit and it certainly has a good price point. Trying to find out more info on how long the rods will last etc and if it will do larger batch's but might have missed it on the website so I am going to check again for those answers. Seems like it has been reliable for people. Not sure on the magnetic stirrer unit as I am not sure of its longevity. May just pick a used lab unit up somewhere. 2. Silver Gen Model SG6 Auto: Manufacturer touts the uniqueness of this unit and has a built in mechanical stirrer. Within my budget. 3. Silver Lungs: Watched the videos and read a few websites that tout the commercial like nature of this machine and it's reliability. I do like the bigger silver rods as it should keep from having to buy a new set for a while. Like the polarity reversal function to keep the rods evenly used. Also not sure if having the water a higher PH does really make a difference although it sounds plausible. This unit is high on my list but it does show that it is 4 weeks on backorder which makes me wonder if there is a supply problem or just that popular. All in all I am looking to choose one of these machines unless something else pops up but wanted some takes on what people thought of these machines if they have used them before or know more about their differences to make me have a decision either way. Thanks for everyone's help. -Bob
Re: CSNew Generator choice of three?
On 09/30/2014 06:26 PM, Victor Cozzetto wrote: I prefer a thermal stirrer, as it speeds up production by adding some warmth. This is very significant if you are not in a temperature controlled environment; such as an empty house in winter that does not keep the heat running. I even use a warmer bulb in winter. (snip) This brings up another question (sorry for stepping on your topic) that has been bouncing around in my mind for a while. Has anyone investigated how the proportions of ionic to colloidal silver (or the size of the colloidal clusters) varies as the temperature of the water is changed, for any given generator source and electrode configuration? I know that the rate of production goes up as the temperature rises, because warm water is more electrically conductive. But I haven't seen any reference about the quality, versus temperature. I may have to do some controlled experiments, comparing batches made in the refrigerator (say, 35F), at room temperature, and in a makeshift oven, somewhere below boiling. Those three points might make a nice trend line, if I can quantify the results. If anyone wants to dive into this, perhaps we should use a new thread. Feel free to paste any of my text into that. -- Regards, John Popelish -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi I have favoured cooler temps and no starter liquid for the reason that higher water resistance will produce more ions let me know your thoughts... cheers. Asif. -Original Message- From: John Popelish Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 11:51 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSNew Generator choice of three? On 09/30/2014 06:26 PM, Victor Cozzetto wrote: I prefer a thermal stirrer, as it speeds up production by adding some warmth. This is very significant if you are not in a temperature controlled environment; such as an empty house in winter that does not keep the heat running. I even use a warmer bulb in winter. (snip) This brings up another question (sorry for stepping on your topic) that has been bouncing around in my mind for a while. Has anyone investigated how the proportions of ionic to colloidal silver (or the size of the colloidal clusters) varies as the temperature of the water is changed, for any given generator source and electrode configuration? I know that the rate of production goes up as the temperature rises, because warm water is more electrically conductive. But I haven't seen any reference about the quality, versus temperature. I may have to do some controlled experiments, comparing batches made in the refrigerator (say, 35F), at room temperature, and in a makeshift oven, somewhere below boiling. Those three points might make a nice trend line, if I can quantify the results. If anyone wants to dive into this, perhaps we should use a new thread. Feel free to paste any of my text into that. -- Regards, John Popelish -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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On 09/30/2014 07:53 PM, Asif Nathekar wrote: Hi I have favoured cooler temps and no starter liquid for the reason that higher water resistance will produce more ions let me know your thoughts... I have only color or blue laser scatter to estimate colloidal concentration, while have only an assumption that the EC meter measures mostly ion concentration. Both of those are a little doubtful. And with the pulser circuit we are trying with, we have a new variable in the experiment that may act differently than low voltage DC does. -- Regards, John Popelish -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNew Generator choice of three?
I raise my chances of having a high ionic brew by having a low current and avoiding brewing under a full moon :) -Original Message- From: John Popelish Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 1:13 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSNew Generator choice of three? On 09/30/2014 07:53 PM, Asif Nathekar wrote: Hi I have favoured cooler temps and no starter liquid for the reason that higher water resistance will produce more ions let me know your thoughts... I have only color or blue laser scatter to estimate colloidal concentration, while have only an assumption that the EC meter measures mostly ion concentration. Both of those are a little doubtful. And with the pulser circuit we are trying with, we have a new variable in the experiment that may act differently than low voltage DC does. -- Regards, John Popelish -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Has anyone investigated how the proportions of ionic to colloidal silver (or the size of the colloidal clusters) varies as the temperature of the water is changed, for any given generator source and electrode configuration? Regards, John Popelish As a 'back yard' brewer all I've got by way of figures are what I used to document a few years ago, and using El Cheapo home brand DW. Don't know if these are of any value. The following are figures from my 'open air kitchen' environment and incorporating the HM digital Com-100 EC/TDS/TEMP meter set on KCl uS, also incorporating my home made magnetic stirrer with a 3mm wire diameter twin loop home made generator operating on 24vdc done during seasonal atmospheric temperature changes. Volume Time in hours KCLuS W/Temp TE after stabilising period 1 litre1 1/224.5 25.4 very faint ..27.4 24.9 strong ..14.7 16.2 faint ..15.6 21.9 good ...2.15.3 13.9 strong ...2.18.0 14.8 faint to good The above would not constitute suitable test results of course but is the best I could do in the home. I think it might be a tall order determining much from the ‘home’ environment, there are too many inconsistencies with my figures anyway. Be aware these are just straight out results from go to wo and ignoring DW reading prior to production, which was always between 1 point something and 2. TE is a visual comparison observation and done after solution had stabilised in KCluS reading, which of course had dropped over that time period. Even then it's not accurate due to water temperature several days later which will effect the reading accordingly. I don't think the home produced stuff ever stabilises to a point of...Stability? And it's the home made stuff of which most would be interested in I would imagine. N.
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On 09/30/2014 10:22 PM, Neville wrote: As a 'back yard' brewer all I've got by way of figures are what I used to document a few years ago, and using El Cheapo home brand DW. Don't know if these are of any value. The following are figures from my 'open air kitchen' environment and incorporating the HM digital Com-100 EC/TDS/TEMP meter set on KCl uS, also incorporating my home made magnetic stirrer with a 3mm wire diameter twin loop home made generator operating on 24vdc done during seasonal atmospheric temperature changes. Volume Time in hours KCLuS W/Temp TE after stabilising period 1 litre1 1/224.5 25.4 very faint ..27.4 24.9 strong ..14.7 16.2 faint ..15.6 21.9 good ...2.15.3 13.9 strong ...2.18.0 14.8 faint to good The above would not constitute suitable test results of course but is the best I could do in the home. I think it might be a tall order determining much from the ‘home’ environment, there are too many inconsistencies with my figures anyway. Be aware these are just straight out results from go to wo and ignoring DW reading prior to production, which was always between 1 point something and 2. TE is a visual comparison observation and done after solution had stabilised in KCluS reading, which of course had dropped over that time period. Even then it's not accurate due to water temperature several days later which will effect the reading accordingly. I don't think the home produced stuff ever stabilises to a point of...Stability? And it's the home made stuff of which most would be interested in I would imagine. That is the kind of experience I am looking for. Thanks for putting this on the record. I'll take a little time to study this and see if I can extract any trend from it. -- Regards, John Popelish -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSNew Generator choice of three?
Hi all, New here but have been devouring everything on silver for the past week and I found this list through one of the forums. There are certainly some confusing statements that I have been encountering from people and creators of machines but I think I have it narrowed down to three choices and I am looking for opinions on which to go with. My goals are to make 10-20ppm of ionic silver preferably in quart sizes but if feasible then a gallon would be great. I'm looking for something that won't take 12 hrs to do a batch and will stand the test of time as far as reliability goes and can be used every day or every other day if needed and can be repaired easily if needed with support from the manufacturer. Also must have some sort of mechanical stirrer as from what I have read, a bubbler is a bad idea. I'm not interested in a toy. My budget is $350-$400 It appears that I have come down to these three units from what I have read and gathered so far, but if anyone has another unit that falls into my specifications then please let me know. The units are: 1. Silver Puppy: Seems like alot of people are pleased with this unit and it certainly has a good price point. Trying to find out more info on how long the rods will last etc and if it will do larger batch's but might have missed it on the website so I am going to check again for those answers. Seems like it has been reliable for people. Not sure on the magnetic stirrer unit as I am not sure of its longevity. May just pick a used lab unit up somewhere. 2. Silver Gen Model SG6 Auto: Manufacturer touts the uniqueness of this unit and has a built in mechanical stirrer. Within my budget. 3. Silver Lungs: Watched the videos and read a few websites that tout the commercial like nature of this machine and it's reliability. I do like the bigger silver rods as it should keep from having to buy a new set for a while. Like the polarity reversal function to keep the rods evenly used. Also not sure if having the water a higher PH does really make a difference although it sounds plausible. This unit is high on my list but it does show that it is 4 weeks on backorder which makes me wonder if there is a supply problem or just that popular. All in all I am looking to choose one of these machines unless something else pops up but wanted some takes on what people thought of these machines if they have used them before or know more about their differences to make me have a decision either way. Thanks for everyone's help. -Bob
Re: CSNew Generator choice of three?
I am interested in a new machine also as mine doesn't have a stir method and seems a bit fragile. I also would like to know if any lend themselves easily to using silver coins instead of silver wire. I bought two .999 percent silver and hope to use them. Thanks! On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Top Dog rsh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, New here but have been devouring everything on silver for the past week and I found this list through one of the forums. There are certainly some confusing statements that I have been encountering from people and creators of machines but I think I have it narrowed down to three choices and I am looking for opinions on which to go with. My goals are to make 10-20ppm of ionic silver preferably in quart sizes but if feasible then a gallon would be great. I'm looking for something that won't take 12 hrs to do a batch and will stand the test of time as far as reliability goes and can be used every day or every other day if needed and can be repaired easily if needed with support from the manufacturer. Also must have some sort of mechanical stirrer as from what I have read, a bubbler is a bad idea. I'm not interested in a toy. My budget is $350-$400 It appears that I have come down to these three units from what I have read and gathered so far, but if anyone has another unit that falls into my specifications then please let me know. The units are: 1. Silver Puppy: Seems like alot of people are pleased with this unit and it certainly has a good price point. Trying to find out more info on how long the rods will last etc and if it will do larger batch's but might have missed it on the website so I am going to check again for those answers. Seems like it has been reliable for people. Not sure on the magnetic stirrer unit as I am not sure of its longevity. May just pick a used lab unit up somewhere. 2. Silver Gen Model SG6 Auto: Manufacturer touts the uniqueness of this unit and has a built in mechanical stirrer. Within my budget. 3. Silver Lungs: Watched the videos and read a few websites that tout the commercial like nature of this machine and it's reliability. I do like the bigger silver rods as it should keep from having to buy a new set for a while. Like the polarity reversal function to keep the rods evenly used. Also not sure if having the water a higher PH does really make a difference although it sounds plausible. This unit is high on my list but it does show that it is 4 weeks on backorder which makes me wonder if there is a supply problem or just that popular. All in all I am looking to choose one of these machines unless something else pops up but wanted some takes on what people thought of these machines if they have used them before or know more about their differences to make me have a decision either way. Thanks for everyone's help. -Bob
Re: CSNew Generator choice of three?
Curious as to why a bubbler is considered bad? A lot of people use this method. Please and thank you. Kind regards, Michele Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
